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Saturday, January 19, 2019

When the John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon sat down for what would be the first televised presidential debate in 1960, you could argue that the differences between America’s two major parties had never been slighter.

While African-Americans had been migrating from the party of Lincoln since the early days of the New Deal and Kennedy did seek Martin Luther King Jr.’s release from jail in Georgia during the campaign, the new president didn’t even mention civil rights in his inaugural address. Nixon was an avid Cold Warrior, but was attacked by the Democratic nominee for leaving us vulnerable to the Soviets with a “missile gap.” There was a general consensus in America, born of remarkable economic growth and the largest expansion of the middle class in human history.

So little differences mattered—a lot.

Some argue Nixon’s face cost him the debate. He was sweaty, sick, and disconcerting, having refused the makeup he was advised to wear.

Under the guidance of Roger Ailes—the TV producer now known as “the force behind many of the worst things of the last 50 years”—Nixon never debated again. But he did find ways to seem comfortable on television, thanks to plenty of face powder and less confrontational settings like town halls and Laugh-In. Ailes advised Nixon on his successful 1968 bid, coached Ronald Reagan how to decimate Walter Mondale in 1984, and then launched Fox News, the official channel of the Iraq War.

Fresh off his dismissal from Fox News after allegations of serial sexual harassment, Ailes is now reportedly coaching Donald Trump to face Hillary Clinton in a series of three debates, the first taking place at Hofstra University on Monday.

It will likely be the most highly viewed debate in the history of the world — and here’s why it could be the most consequential.

  1. The electorate feels remarkably unstable.
    Clinton’s lead in national polls is similar to the lead President Obama carried into the first debate of 2012. But Obama was outperforming those numbers in swing states and the electorate never really wavered much throughout the electoral cycle. There are more undecided voters this year and we have to add into this nebulous math the shifting variable of third-party candidates, Libertarian Gary Johnson and the Green Party’s Jill Stein, who continue to pull numbers that could be much larger than the eventual margin of victory for either Clinton or Trump. Both major party candidates have high negatives, with Trump seeing approval ratings that make him the most unpopular candidate of modern times. Even more vexing for prognosticators is Trump’s historic boost from the media, combined with his hollow shell of a campaign, which pales next to Clinton’s in terms of ad buys and organization. All of this ads up to a public that seems far more open to persuasion in recent elections and possibly uniquely open to the unique sort of persuasion that a huge television spectacle could provide.
  2. Trump’s only superpowers are being good at TV and lying.
    Trump’s mastery of television helped him overcome his failures as a developer, transforming him into a larger-than-life boss who was willing to embrace the racist undertones and overtones of birtherism. Even more unprecedented than his power to be “good on camera” is his willingness to lie without abandon while he maintains a reputation of “telling it like it is.” These are formidable superpowers in a forum where he can lash out and do serious damage in the first fifteen minutes of a debate, when most of these contests are decided. It’s true that Trump has never been in a one-on-one setting like this before, but he has clearly spent his entire life preparing to spend 90 minutes yelling at a woman.
  3. We have no idea how America will react to a woman candidate debating for the presidency.
    Clinton’s strengths are nearly the opposite of Trump’s. She’s devoted her life to public service, nurturing a depth of knowledge on issues while maintaining the cautious pose we demand of most trailblazers in American politics. How will America react to a woman who is overqualified for the job facing the most unqualified candidate imaginable? This will be a war of substance versus affect — and we all know which television favors. This debate is historic for both the mismatch of the candidates and the fact of a woman standing on stage making her case to be the president of the United States. No one has any idea of how the public will react to something it has never seen before.
  4. The differences between the two candidates are pronounced and profound.
    Donald Trump is promising to uninsure almost 20 million newly insured Americans and Hillary Clinton is promising to add 9 million more to the record number of Americans with heath coverage. And the differences only grow more stark from there. Trump wants to cut taxes for the rich, while raising taxes on many middle-class families. Clinton wants to raise taxes on the rich, while leaving them untouched for the rest of America. Trump wants to ban abortion and strip women of birth control access. Clinton wants to expand reproductive rights to the poorest Americans. Clinton wants to give undocumented immigrants a path to citizenship. Trump wants to round them up. Clinton wants to escalate the fight against climate change to avoid catastrophe. Trump wants to unleash carbon polluters to continue wrecking the climate and making the rest of us — and the planet — pay for it.
  5. The fate of the America and the world is on the line.
    Almost half of all voters in a new poll — 46 percent — think Donald Trump would detonate a nuclear bomb as president. And 22 percent of those people are Trump supporters, meaning they’re hoping for a nuclear war. Around a third of his supporters also see him creating a Muslim database, creating internment camps for undocumented immigrants, and defaulting on our debt. These are things they’re voting for, apparently. If Donald Trump gets into office, he will be a uniquely unprepared candidate with unprecedented political power and something like a mandate, built on a campaign that has elevated some of the vilest and most dangerous voices in America. Once in office, he’d face an economy overdue for a recession and a world vulnerable to acts of terror. Knowing he takes every wave of a pocket Constitution as a vicious personal attack, how will he react to mounting pressures and failures — especially knowing that his personal business interests, which he will still be personally entangled in, have over a half billion dollars in loans extended around the world? No one can predict his response, but it will likely be like nothing we’ve ever seen in America before.
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142 responses to “5 Reasons The Clinton/Trump Debate May Be The Most Important Night Of Our Lifetimes”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    Considering how divided we are politically, how close the election is, and how much is at stake, the debates may prove to be the deciding factor for millions of mainstream Americans.
    In addition to demonstrating what the candidates stand for, and their capacity and ability to lead, the debates are likely to demonstrate personal traits that are critically important to the discharge of the duties of the Office of the Presidency, including handling the economy, creating jobs, improving our infrastructure, improving our education and healthcare systems, protecting our environment, and dealing with the many threats against our national security and well being. Most importantly, the debates should demonstrate who is best prepared to choose Supreme Court Justices whose decisions are based on a clear interpretation of the letter and spirit of the Constitution, instead of the ideological leanings of a given party or institution.
    I expect divergent performances from both candidates, representing not only their qualifications, relevant experiences, knowledge of governance, and the limits of the authority of the Executive Branch, but demonstrations of mental stability, judgment, and temperament so critical for the person occupying an Office that has the ability to either improve life on Earth…or destroy it.
    Although my mind has already been made as to who to vote for in November (actually, earlier than that), I plan to listen carefully to everything they say, and give both a fair chance. There is simply too much at stake to make rush decisions based on perceptions, charisma, past behavior, or a cute retort.

    • AgLander says:

      “Although my mind has already been made as to who to vote for in November (actually earlier than that), I plan to listen carefully to everything they say, and give both a fair chance.”
      You do realize that sentence makes no sense don’t you? You state your mind is made up, and has been, yet you plan to give Trump a chance…..at what, a parking discount? You liberals are so filled with verbal psycho babble! No wonder that’s why so many, many people consider liberalism an actual disease of the mind!

      • The lucky one says:

        If Trump wins are you going to be his Minnie Me and sit on his lap? As your string of mostly nonsensical posts has gone on over the summer you have increasingly taken on Trumps verbal style of bluster, lies, insults and general lack of anything remotely resembling class. Case in point ” so many, many people consider liberalism…” That’s a favorite tactic of Trump’s, claiming that “many people agree”” or “everybody is telling me” or some such claim that a majority support his generally unfounded and or bigoted views. Funny how he seldom can point to anyone outside of his paid circle and the dipshits at his rallies to validate his claim. Sort of like his blatant lie that he saw 1000s of Muslims celebrating 911. It’s quite obvious that he is either a pathological liar, an idiot or insane. I don’t think he’s an idiot so it’s some combination of pathology and insanity.

        • AgLander says:

          Me thinks you protest too much…..the pressure must be getting to you. Relax…..it’s too late to create a good candidate out of Hillary. She is who she is.

          • The lucky one says:

            Don’t need to make a good candidate out of Hillary. Trump is doing a good job of that. He makes a poor choice like Clinton look palatable compared to the horrible choice that he presents.

          • AgLander says:

            We’ll see…..but I hope you are pricing property in Canada!

          • The lucky one says:

            No, I figure we’re screwed no matter which of the demagogues wins but I’ve never let anyone make me leave the home I love and I certainly won’t let a yahoo like Trump do it. So, where are you going when trump loses? Back under your rock i hope.

        • idamag says:

          Unless he looks like the three women that trump married, he won’t be allowed to sit on his lap. They were previewing an ad for Trump and he noticed that one of the models had a mole on her face. He demanded she be taken out right away. Trump loves celebrities. Country bumpkin would not even get the time of day from him, let alone be allowed to sit on his lap.

        • Mama Bear says:

          he is a paid by Trump organization troll. They are all over these sites trying to wreck havoc….isn’t that what the bible says the evil one is doing?….just sayin’

          • The lucky one says:

            Maybe. I see some I suspect of that but aggie doesn’t present anything compelling even to a weak minded person so he’s probably just the common garden variety a-hole that likes to annoy people.

            Even if he is he won’t make any money. Trump has a long history of stiffing schmoes like Aggie. laughing at them in fact.

    • Mama Bear says:

      I agree with all you have said, Dominick. My only concern is the element of ignorant bigoted misogynist xenophobic homophobic idiots in our country who can and might make a mockery out of our Presidency and take us all down with them.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        It really makes you wonder what is in the minds of the far right when they laud lack of relevant knowledge, and lack of experience, as positive attributes to consider when voting for a candidate.
        It is almost as if they are deliberately trying to destroy the country. Scary!

        • Jon says:

          It seems they want to burn it down and have found the arsonist willing to do it.

        • Mama Bear says:

          it seems to me they are determined to “take us back” regardless of how they have to do it. They think they are so right about everything that no matter what they have to do they will save us.

        • CPANY says:

          You still don’t get it do you? Trump says what a lot of people have been thinking, especially about the illegals. Their feelings don’t have to be logical, according to your way of thinking.

          The Constitution gives them each one vote, which they can cast anyway that they please, within certain boundaries.

          Your hysterical reaction to “what is at statke” really doesn’t interest them. In fact, thwarting pseudo intellectuals like you probably strengthens their resolve.

          • charleo1 says:

            That intellectuals scare the heck out knuckle draggers, is only a fact of life. But what scares me is you should be outraged at the thought of a President Trump. That take so little intellectual ability,

      • CPANY says:

        Unfortunately, dipshit, that is democracy,

        • Mama Bear says:

          dipshit? really? adhominem is always used when intelligence is lacking. I would hope that is not the case with you.

        • charleo1 says:

          Since you obviously have nothing of value to offer, take your laughable attempts at bullying somewhere else.

        • dpaano says:

          Why is it that whenever someone doesn’t agree with you, you deflect to calling them names? We all have the right to different opinions, and we don’t deserve being called names just because it isn’t the same opinion as you have! Please grow up. If you can’t offer intelligent discourse, find another website to rant on!

  2. AgLander says:

    This country faces a lot of economic, social, diplomatic and safety problems and they are getting worse. Tonight Trump makes the case for moving away from the “so yesterday” old, stale, more of the same Clintons and get this country out of the mud and moving again. If he keeps it on that message and avoids the high school type theatrics planned by Clinton, starting even before the debate begins with the seating of the goofy wannabe, Mark Cuban, as her hired heckler, Trump will win this debate quite easily because the worse thing that Clinton wants during the 90 minutes on stage is having to address and defend her record of non accomplishment as a senator and secretary of State plus her criminal behavior; the email scandal and deliberate violation of national security procedures and governmental records retention requirements being just one example. Trump’s problem is that there is a voluminous amount of examples that he can address that disqualifies Clinton, either in the legal or competency areas, and so little time to do it! However, I expect him to do well and control that stage tonight if for no other reason than he has the full weight of Clinton’s record to bury her with.

    • FireBaron says:

      “so yesterday”? Trump appears to offer an even more supreme package of the failed “Supply Side” (aka – “Trickle-down”, aka – “Voodoo”) economics that spectacularly failed in the Reagan and both Bush administrations. He has no idea what he is doing. He contradicts him self with great regularity and chastises people when they point it out to him. He has all the temperament of a spoiled three-year-old being told he needs a nap, and fighting it all the way.

      • AgLander says:

        Hillary Clinton has been around for 25 years in politics…..or maybe I should say 25 years immersed in scandals! There is not a thing she can say tonight that is going to change anyone’s opinion towards her. Her only hope is to divert the discussion away from her 3 decades long sordid record. If she fails to do that, she is done, and her election chances go with it.

        • The lucky one says:

          All she’ll have to do to fill 90 minutes is provide the vey long list of lies Trump has put forward. here is a sample. I have many more if you’d like.

          He said a supportive crowd chanted, “Let him speak!” when a black pastor in Flint, Mich., asked Mr. Trump not to give a political speech in the church. FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 15. – There were no such chants.

          “I was against going into the war in Iraq.” SPEECH IN FLORIDA, SEPT. 19. – He never publicly expressed opposition to the war before it began, and he made supportive remarks to Howard Stern.

          He said any supportive comments he made about the Iraq war came “long before” the war began. FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 18. – He expressed support for the war in September 2002, when Congress was debating whether to authorize military action.

          He said he had publicly opposed the Iraq war in an Esquire interview “pretty quickly after the war started.” – FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 18. – The Esquire interview appeared in the August 2004 edition, 17 months after the war began.

          Before the Iraq invasion, he said, he had told the Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto something “pretty close” to: “Don’t go in, and don’t make the mistake of going in.” FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 18. – Not remotely close. He told Mr. Cavuto that President George W. Bush had to take decisive action.

          He said that when Howard Stern asked him about Iraq in 2002, it was “the first time the word Iraq was ever mentioned to me.” – FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 18. – Mr. Trump expressed alarm about Saddam Hussein and the situation in Iraq in 2000 in his own book.

          He was “never a fan” of Colin Powell. – FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 18. – In his book “The America We Deserve,” he named Mr. Powell as among the “best and brightest” in American society.

          He claimed that Lester Holt, the NBC anchor moderating the first presidential debate, is a Democrat — but Mr. Holt is a registered Republican. (Probably been so longer than Trump)

          In the primaries, Mr. Kasich “won one and, by the way, didn’t win it by much — that was Ohio. – FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 19. – Mr. Kasich crushed him in Ohio, winning by 11 percentage points.

          The presidential debate moderators “are all Democrats.” “It’s a very unfair system.” – FOX NEWS INTERVIEW, SEPT. 19. – Only one, Chris Wallace of Fox News, is a registered Democrat.

          • Jon says:

            I assume you noticed that over the weekend, the LA Times, Politico, the Washington Post, and NY Times independently published stories about Trump’s lies. Among the findings were that Trump made 87 false statements over a 5 day period and Hillary made 8 that could be characterized as exaggeration, misleading or false. One found that Trump lied every 3 minutes 15 seconds. Further they found that there really wasn’t a fair way to compare Hillary’s misstatements to Trump’s. Trump told lies that had no basis whatsoever and often lied to make it appear that things in America were much worse than they are and that he alone could save the country from ruin.
            Other interesting notes include Trump failing to disclose 1 of his foreign businesses on the financial disclosure form, 250 charities Trump claimed he or his Foundation donated money to were contacted and only 1 said they ever received the donation, and Trump settling or losing 236 cases involving dishonesty, fraud, or breach of contract — equaling 1 every other month for 30 years Hillary has been investigated for “crooked” acts 6 times and was never found to have committed any of the “crooked” acts her political opponents alleged. All they accomplished was tarnishing her name in the minds of casual political observers and the ignorant.

          • The lucky one says:

            I don’t believe that Hillary is any more or less honest than the average congressperson or prez candidate. However Trump has set new standards of mendacity in a profession that is renowned for lying.

            It’s amazing that a buffoon such as him is this close to possibly becoming president, a man with no visible talent except self-promotion, a man that can publicly insult the parents of a soldier killed in service. 50 years ago his own supporters would have tarred and feathered him for such an action.

            This country is in dire straits. I think Clinton will take us father down that path but i have hope that we may be able to turn things around despite her but if Trump wins it will be proof that the idiots and racists are taking over. I will stand my ground but the outcome will not be good. As the move title says “There will be Blood”.

          • Jon says:

            I agree and realize that there are no politicians who won’t lie, misstate facts, mislead and exaggerate. Hillary has shown she is no angel. However she is in the low minor leagues compared to Trump who is definitely in the major leagues of liars. A few weeks go PolitiFact did a fact check comparison of 50 recent and/or current politicians. Hillary was among the most honest. Trump was the biggest liar by a wide margin. I wonder if his followers excuse that as him not being a politician.

          • The lucky one says:

            “Trump was the biggest liar by a wide margin. I wonder if his followers excuse that as him not being a politician.” Anyone still following Trump has been divorced from anything resembling truth or reality for quite some time.

          • Jon says:

            That’s true. What was I thinking?

          • charleo1 says:

            We are using different measuring sticks, us and the Trumpites. Using their stick, lying about another person, about the facts, about himself, his experience, the amount of money he has, how he got it, who he’s beholden to, how little he knows, or how much he knows, or just lying in general, even for the heck of it about a purple heart someone gave him being real. It doesn’t matter. Trump’s lies don’t matter to his converts. Which more resemble a damn cult, than a political anything.

          • Jon says:

            You are right. I could never understand why or how they can have faith in him when he has clearly lied about so many things. If it was just a matter of different perspectives or opinions, I could understand but he lies about indisputable facts and they parrot his outrageous lies. It does feel like the Manson Family on steroids with Donnie instead of Charlie leading his followers blindly to their fate.

          • charleo1 says:

            You’re right! Put another way, are they really that dumb? Or what’s up with people swearing to provable lies? Or, what am I missing here?
            Am I in the twilight zone? Do only some people have google? Here’s what I predict. After Trump loses this election, he gathers up several million of his mindless minions, and moves them via space travel into an alternate universe where he will be the unquestioned King of his Caucasian Caliphate. With of course a really big huge wall.

          • Jon says:

            I wouldn’t miss any of them if they could go away to their alternate universe. I agree with your twilight zone question. I have asked myself the same question.

          • dpaano says:

            I think most of them are already in an alternate universe!

          • dpaano says:

            I have to agree with SOME of what you said, but I don’t agree that this country is in dire straits…..far from it. Yes, it WAS in dire straits when President Obama took over; however, things have moved up in the past 7+ years. Our economy is doing very well, unemployment is down significantly, the stock market is up just as significantly, and the deficit has gone down by about two-thirds! If this country is “falling apart,” then we can only blame it on our conservative Congress who has voted against every bill proposed that would help this country; i.e., request for monies to fix our infrastructure (which, by the way, would have put thousands of jobs out there), monies to help veterans, etc. I don’t think Hillary will take us “further down that path” in the least. At least she has the gumption to publish a 200+ page booklet outlining all of her plans and how she is going to attempt to accomplish them. I don’t think Trump has ANY idea of how he’s going to do what he’s been saying he’s going to do…..he has NO idea of the fact that he will have to deal with Congress and won’t be able to just willy nilly spend our taxpayer money on ridiculous walls, wars, etc.

          • The lucky one says:

            “Our economy is doing very well” I don’t believe that. It certainly is not where I live. Possibly a little better than 8 years ago but not in a big way.

          • dpaano says:

            And now the State of New York is investigating his so-called Trump Foundation and has banned him from soliciting donations from anyone in the State of New York. He has used the Trump Foundation as a personal checkbook for his own and his family’s expenditures! He has taken money from people and used it, not for charitable donations, but for his own use! I foresee another lawsuit coming up against his Foundation in the near future! Do we really need a president who will be spending MOST of his time fighting lawsuits rather than dealing with the business of running a nation? I think not!!! He seems to think that Bill Clinton’s infidelity was much worse than anything that he’s done, but I don’t seem to think most of us with brains would agree with that analogy!

          • Jon says:

            It now appears he used OPM or other people’s money as he likes to brag from Trump Foundation to launch his political career. He was making donations to influential Republican PACs and was then invited to give speeches outlining his views. While there is nothing in writing stating that he would be invited to speak if he gave an adequate donation, people who are familiar with the process said that no one was dumb enough to say that he would be given a speaking slot in exchange for the donation but everybody knew that was the history and practice of the PACs. If proven, it is a crime.

          • dpaano says:

            As I’m writing this AFTER the debate, let me say one thing….Hillary wiped up! She pushed ALL of his buttons and he reverted back to his usual ranting and narcissistic BS. He stuck his foot in his mouth so far….it’ll take a bulldozer to get it out! He lost many of the so-called “undecided” voters after the debate and Hillary is back leading in the polls!

      • Daniel Wright says:

        What you call “trickle down” Is actually a free market economy. That is how economies in free countries work. Take economics 101 from someone other than a Keynesian and you will realize that. The alternative to that is a Government owned and controlled economy. We all know what that means don’t we? I’m sure Hillary learned her lesson well from her mentor Saul Alinsky.

      • dpaano says:

        Agreed….the “trickle down” economics did NOT work for Reagan OR GWB, and it is these very policies that caused the recession that we were in when President Obama took office. But, it seems that Trump hasn’t the intelligence to realize this and wants to take us back to another recession! By the way, recession only benefits the wealthy….it doesn’t nothing for the poor or middle class except to cause them to lose more of their retirement monies, etc. I guess most of his followers are independently wealthy and don’t worry about losing their retirement funds or any other monies during a recession! After all, the last recession made them even MORE wealthy and the rest of us even poorer!

    • The lucky one says:

      “the high school type theatrics planned by Clinton” Is that in contrast to the grade school antics practiced by Trump throughout his entire campaign? I expect Trump to wave his hands a lot to demonstrate that he finally has an opponent with smaller hands.

      • AgLander says:

        Trump may need those hands to catch a tottering Clinton if she has another serious episode due to the secretive illness she continues to keep form the public.

        • The lucky one says:

          That would be tough luck for Hillary because his hands aren’t big enough to catch her and it’s unlikely his obesity would allow him to move fast enough.

          • AgLander says:

            In which case she’ll just bounce her head off the floor again and lower her IQ a few more points. She doesn’t have a lot of remaining IQ to spare!

          • The lucky one says:

            LOL, you want to compare Clinton’s IQ to Trump’s? Everything else aside (public service, honesty, policies etc.) she is so obviously much smarter than Trump that the comparison is laughable. Even comparing their relative wealth as a measure she started with little and is rich. He started rich and if the money given him by daddy had been placed in mutual funds then he would be at least as wealthy as he is now, probably more so.

          • dpaano says:

            He’s so smart that he posted $918B in losses for his businesses, which, to me, is NOT the way a so-called “smart” businessman operates even if there IS a loophole that allows him to book these losses and use them to get out of paying his taxes for many years! Unfortunately, the poor and middle class have been paying his way for years! And, sir, this is WHY he refuses to show us his tax returns! But apparently, the Trump followers don’t really care that we’ve been subsidizing him all this time when we pay our rightful taxes each year! This is a man who has lived off our backs pretty much his ENTIRE life!

          • iamproteus says:

            You really have no idea how ridiculous you sound, do you?

          • Jmz Nesky says:

            Oh, yes he does.. It’s his job to sound ridiculous. This has to be the truth because anything less would mean we’re conversing with a pickled beet.. Wait a minute! hmmm.

      • Mama Bear says:

        LOL! thanks for that.

  3. I of John says:

    Way to heap up the pressure dude! Just a bit hyper are we not? People say they are undecided but let’s face it they are not. They just need that excuse to admit their choice. In the end, they really don’t care who makes a gaffe they are just looking for confirmational cover. True the debates show us a lot but they really just confirm what people have already concluded. As far as the media is concerned debates do start to clear the mystery of what “undecideds” really think and that verdict I do await impatiently.

    • Mama Bear says:

      I agree. And I also believe that many many many Trump supporters do not care about issues. They are just following a charismatic guy who speaks their demented ignorant bigoted language.

    • AgLander says:

      I agree……Hillary Clinton is a lot like O.J. Simpson. The country has made up their mind on both!

  4. yabbed says:

    Donald Trump is too mentally unstable to be in any leadership position. We would be laughed off the world stage if we sent this carnival barker buffoon to represent us. He’s dangerous. He has no knowledge of the world or of this country. His interest is simply in furthering himself, of making himself important, and in using the Presidency as a money making tool. He is a deplorable man and totally unfit temperamentally and unqualified to be POTUS.

    • AgLander says:

      As opposed to Hillary Clinton who is running with no vision or plan? She is running for herself, no one else. Not a good enough reason for a vote from any clear thinking, intelligent person.

      • charleo1 says:

        You don’t care about vision, or plan. Or listen to Hillary Clinton to discern if she has one. (She does) You, spend 100% of your time on yourself. “Clearly,” using what limited intellect you posses to come up with ways to personally disparage Hillary Clinton solely because it pleases you.

        • Mama Bear says:

          he is a paid troll. and from the way people on this site respond to him he is earning his money.

          • Jmz Nesky says:

            That’s right, he’s making his dime per up-thumb but as you can see it’s merely a dime at a time and sometime not even that when his nephew has to take a break to go to the crapper..

      • yabbed says:

        That has to be one of the world’s most ignorant posts. Hillary Clinton is a wonk with a well reasoned, well articulated policy about every blooming thing. You made a fool of yourself with that post. 🙂

        • AgLander says:

          O.K…….name an accomplishment.

          • charleo1 says:

            One of Hillary Clinton’s most lasting accomplishments as SOS. Avoided what was was looking to be the necessity of a disastrous war with Iran over their nuclear program. And she did this by doing something the former administration had tried for 7 years to do, and failed. Namely to get Russia, and China on board with a sanctions regime tough enough to bring the Iranians to the table. This amazing accomplishment, like the specter of a war with Iran, simply cannot be understated. And is directly related to her years of tireless work, and experience in the specialized area of World diplomacy and government. As the Bush Adm. demonstrated, no place for ideologically rigid, beginners. And the fruits of what Hillary Clinton was able to accomplish, will be safer, more stable and peaceful World for generations to come. Do you understand the importance of this? Probably not. It doesn’t detract in the least from the accomplishment. But only shows your personal inability to understand it, or appreciate it.

          • AgLander says:

            Laugh test….you FAIL! Iran? REALLY?!

          • charleo1 says:

            It’s all you know, or all you have been told. Sorry, but you’re as clueless as Trump on this. The fact of the matter being, President Obama with his capable head of the State Department was able to accomplish what was the goal of the previous adm. to address the problem all along, However their decision of using only the offices of the UN. resulted in a failure to the end. Facts matter. Records of events are educational. Knowledge of those records, of what had previously taken place is key.

          • AgLander says:

            She’s certainly open to blackmail since the Russians, Chinese and N. Koreans possess every intelligence document she ever sent or received as Secretary of State! So, I guess your naive opinion on her ability to perform will actually be dictated to her by our ENEMIES, which is just another reason why she cannot ever be entrusted with the reins of State. She is so toxic that she’d qualify for Superfund cleanup status!

          • CPANY says:

            Funny “…she’d qualify for Superfund cleanup status. Good one.

          • charleo1 says:

            Oh he’s a good snark, once absolved from using any facts. But where is the challenge without the rules?

          • charleo1 says:

            You want to deal in fiction, and fantasize. Create the supposed crime, and pass stern judgement. It is all like Monopoly Money, worthless, and counterfeit in the real World.

        • idamag says:

          He’s igerent n prowed uv it.

    • idamag says:

      All of his casinos and hotels have the trump name on them and the rule is that the trump name has to be larger than the casino name. He bought a floating palace of a yacht and named it “Trump II.” He does not leave a tip. That speaks volumes about the diptin.

  5. ivory69690@yahoo.com says:

    this is all in DONNY DUMP’S SCAM AND B/S that he has planed from the start he is a child minded retard clown that just seeks attention . the DUMPSTER is playing all he can on his WAIT FOR IT WAIT FOR IT moment that he will spring on all in do time . another reason why the DUMPSTER CLOWN is not spending the money he has for stupid people that give to him and his clown show is because he is saving it till after he loose then the scam artist will try to put any money there and add it to his foundation so he can spend it from there like the scum POS he is

  6. charleo1 says:

    If we were able to ask all of our former Presidents what qualifies a person to hold the office. I imagine all, or most would tell us after having served, that no one is ever fully equipped to become President. For it is a job like no other. I think they would admit as many have, nothing they had done in their pasts, nor anything anyone has previously done in their lifetimes before taking office, is similar enough to the job to make the claim of being ready on day one. I do think it is instructive to observe, of those Presidents we consider to have done the finest job, are the ones who thought themselves wholly unprepared to take on the monumental task. But did so only reluctantly out a deep desire to serve, and contribute to the Country and its people. And so sought the office not out of any sense of acquiring power, or seeking self aggrandizement. But always with more than a little trepidation. Perhaps none more so that our first President. Who in letters we can read today, likened his ascension to the office as something akin to being like that of a condemned man! And yet his tenure in precedents both big and small, formed much of foundation of the office We The People must again fill in just a few short days. It is an awesome responsibility we should accept with the same seriousness, and sense of being out of our own depth, as our greatest Presidents once thought of themselves upon taking on the job. For we, like all our Presidents, cannot know the future. And thus, cannot know the decisions that may fall to this like no other powerful office, and the person occupying it will need to make. Or how much, if not all of our futures, all that we hold sacred, will depend entirely upon this one President being right.

    • AgLander says:

      I’m going to follow Bill Clinton’s example when I cast my vote. Over the last 25 years, whenever it came time to make a choice, Bill ALWAYS picked someone other than Hillary…..Juanita, Kathleen, Paula, Sandra, Eileen, Christy, Carolyn, Helen, Becky, Regina, Monica, Elizabeth, Gennifer, Connie, Dolly, Sally and Lencola. Who am I to doubt Bill Clinton, the one who knows Hillary best? If she isn’t good enough for him, she sure as heck ain’t good enough for me to vote for!

      • charleo1 says:

        Your lack of seriousness of approach mimics exactly, the total lack of seriousness of candidate Trump himself. Coinciding with his very giddy, and frighteningly gullible believers. This is what concerns this voter the most in all this. The scariest thing being, is you know very little of the man you would hand over the nuclear codes, and set at the head of the most powerful military on the planet. Your decision based on a former President’s peccadilloes. And his wife in your mind slurred to disqualification via association for being the wife? If those are the elements on which the People make such a decision, I predict we shall not have long to enjoy our democracy. Nor will we deserve to keep it.

        • AgLander says:

          So, in light of the non deniable parade of women and embarrassments, you prefer a couple that lives their lives like a pair of stimulus driven barnyard animals to represent this great nation? It speaks volumes about YOU, because we already know the Clintons are who they are and haven’t changed and will not change.

          • charleo1 says:

            Powerful older men making fools out of themselves with younger women its not exactly an aberration in this Country, in case you haven’t noticed. And most all of them have multiple wives. And so we we think it’s smart to go around all holier than thou, and pick apart everyone’s past personal lives, and then disqualify their wives one by one for something their husbands did? Is that just plain dumb, or what? At any rate, it’s hypocritical. As El Trumpo has not been a bastion of purity in the moral department. Not excluded in the legion ranks of men who have betrayed their marriage vows. So, what are you anyway? The Nation’s sin detector? Saint Peter? What? Your’e out, you’re okay? You are a little questionable with you secretary there. So we’ll need to see if there’s some trash we can dig up on HER? Or is it just partisan hackery?

          • AgLander says:

            Again, you reveal so much about your own lack of a morality base. Thank you for opening this window into your soul.

          • charleo1 says:

            You have zero credibility in advising anyone as to their moral acuity, shilling for Lucifer incarnate as you are. Frankly, I’d be embarrassed to lecture. To ask anyone to assume to believe you while supporting Trump hold the moral high ground on anything.

          • AgLander says:

            The mind is a terrible thing to waste. I think of you every time I see that phrase.

          • Jmz Nesky says:

            And YOU are the reason god gave us middle fingers.. THAT I think about every time I see your pathetic posts.

          • idamag says:

            Partisan hackery.

        • idamag says:

          Ah, ag lander is just a good old scratch and spit country boy and prowed uv it.

          • AgLander says:

            As compared to what? Your pasty, baby soft hands that cringe in pain when you try and hold on to your morning too hot latte at Starbucks?

          • charleo1 says:

            Well, I’m a good old Country Boy too. But I know exactly what you mean. Stupid, and proud of it. Ag is instilled with the unshakable belief in what he doesn’t know isn’t worth knowing. And is good enough, because facts, and education just clutter the mind, and confuse the intellect. And distract from the real measure of a leader’s ability. His nerve to lay it all out all on the line, and trust his gut. Something that would get us all killed just driving our cars around. They see as perfectly suited to running the most powerful Nation on Earth.

    • CPANY says:

      No, dumb dumb. What qualifies one to be president of the United States appears in Constitution, i.e. one has to have been born here, or to American parents if born abroad, one must be at least thirty-five years old, one must have been a resident for fourteen years and one must be a citizen of the United States.

      One doesn’t have to be judged smart, intelligent, moral, decent, etc. by one’s peers,

      • charleo1 says:

        Sorry, you’re on the wrong site. This post was part of an adult conversation for those old enough to vote, and be concerned above what you’re studying in civics class. But well done on the stats. And please, stay in school.

      • queenbee says:

        Wake up, you must have been asleep or worse, dumb as hell!

      • Jmz Nesky says:

        Well you certainly picked the right stooge with the Trumpit.

        • Daniel Wright says:

          And you sure picked a qualified crook.

          • Jmz Nesky says:

            Well I guess that makes us both losers unless your arrogant enough to believe your right and I’m wrong which is what self-serving idiots believe.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            If my believing that I am right and you are wrong makes me an arrogant,self-serving idiot then what does that make you? You see yourself just as I see myself.

          • Jmz Nesky says:

            No I just said what I believed from your first assumption, your the one who called me out on it. Bot of us can either be right or we can either be wrong.. I chose wrong because neither of us know these two people we’re just assuming so you can either leave it at that or keep arguing which gives me the impression that you see yourself as the definitive self-righteous one.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            The first assumption that trump was a stooge was yours my friend. I was just pointing out that you support a criminal, and most likely a traitor. I don’t need to know someone personally to know about them. I know that John Wayne Gacy was a serial killer. Is it wrong to point that fact out?

      • Daniel Wright says:

        That is exactly why Hillary qualifies[minus a few felonies and treasons].

      • dpaano says:

        CPany, that’s just the basic “rules” for running for the presidency, but what it takes to be president is not shown in the Constitution. Charleo had it correct….it takes MORE than just citizenship, age, and residency to make a good president. Apparently, you seem to not realize that or failed to understand what Charleo was trying to get across.

  7. FT66 says:

    Debates are job interviews. In any job interview taken, what is observed mainly is whether the person is qualified to be hired or not. In looking for qualifications, a person is observed whether he/she has knowledge on different issues, has skills which will enable him/her to carry on the job efficiently, good temperament, has a good PR (Public Relationship), how he/she behaves when challenged, has experience in the job he/she seeking, whether there is any echievement made in the past, what goals a person has in mind in this case, moving the country forward etc.etc. Appearence and how candidates will behave during the 90 minutes of debate mustn’t be taken as a major factor for a candidate to be hired. Can only be taken as an added advantage.

    • dpaano says:

      Since this is written after the debate, Trump showed NONE of these skills. He interrupted, he grimaced, he sniffled, he lied, and he make several of the same racist and untrue statements as he has before! He even had the audacity to accuse Hillary of not having the stamina or temperament to be president…..in actuality, he doesn’t have the proper temperament at all! He was just his usual “ranting” self while Hillary purported herself with dignity and grace despite his comments! In the end, she won the debate and Trump faltered amazingly! But, what did we expect?

  8. PatrickHenry says:

    All of these Special Interest Democrat-Socialists suddenly worried about honesty, when they have ignored or deflected on Hillary’s Many Lies, Scandals, Hidden Health problems and Corruption. She has experience alright, 30 years as a self-serving politician worried about staying in power over the real issues facing most Americans. Many Blacks & Black Leaders are endorsing & praying for Trump to actually address their serious problems that the Democrats did NOTHING to improve, only Worsen!

    • charleo1 says:

      You make a lot accusations with zero anything to back it up. If we elected people this way, I suggest it wouldn’t be too long until at last no one would be pure enough to lead, unblemished of all mistake, and beyond the reproach of the partisan politics of personal destruction. Save for perhaps one. And elections don’t put these people in office. As this gets worse, good people will not submit themselves, and their families to this kind of baseless scrutiny. They will take a pass on any public service, and leave that sort of grief to the next guy, and the one after that. Except for that one guy, who don’t care what people think of him. Who believes they’ll say exactly what he tells them to, or else when he gets thru. And so in that way, all vacuous aspersions as to character, motivation, or past wrongdoings get settled.

    • AgLander says:

      Bingo! Dead on accurate!

    • 788eddie says:

      Another Republican who is trying to convince everyone that Hillary Clinton is as bad as Donald Trump. Save Your breath, (and, in this case, written innuendo).
      The evidence supports the statement that Hillary Clinton tells the truth.

      She testified before the Congressional Committee investigating Benghazi (eight committees, in fact). This last time, she testified for more than eleven hours straight (I watched for more than 4 1/2 hours of it). Either she told the truth, or you’ve got to accept the idea that the five Republican Committee members (and their respective staffs) are incompetents.

      Lying to a congressional committee is against the law and has very heavy penalties, including imprisonment.

      I am one registered Republican who is willing to accept that she told the truth.

      And anyone who can endure the kind of treatment she was given would make a good President of our country.

      • AgLander says:

        Another laugh test failure…..you libs are committed, blind sycophants, I will acknowledge that!

        • 788eddie says:

          Sorry, Ag, but you’ve got that wrong; I am, and always have been, a registered Republican. I am not, however, a member of the “rabid-right,” as you seem to be.

          The problem for you and your ilk (the Teabaggers, and the Freedom Caucus people) is that you managed to nominate a candidate only you can support, and now you’ve lost the support of Republican moderates. Some of us have gone to support Gary Johnson, and some, like me are now supporting Ms. Clinton.

          It will be interesting to see the results.

          In my opinion, Hillary will be victorious, and that will be a good thing for our country, and what’s left of our democracy.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            One,we are not a Democracy. Two,Hillary has been a closeted Communist since she met Saul Alinsky. You are supporting Hillary? Say goodbye to freedom if she wins. She has said she intends to end the first and second amendments. How long can the rest of the constitution last after we have been disarmed and gagged?

          • dpaano says:

            Eddie: Just saw an article yesterday (10/6/16) that 30 prominent Republicans sent a letter to the RNC advising that they would NOT be voting for Trump. That’s amazing…..this, along with the same type of letter from many military general officers! If his OWN party can’t agree with him and refuse to vote for him….I’m not sure why his followers aren’t as wise!

      • Jon says:

        See this past weekend’s articles in the LA Times, the Washington Post, Politico, and the NY Times. All have articles tracking the misstatements, exaggerations, and lies told by the candidates. One found that Trump lied every 3 minutes 15 seconds. The number of Trump’s lies is unprecedented.
        Another report found that Trump had settled or lost 236 cases involving dishonesty, fraud, or breach of contract — more than 1 every other month for 30 years. Hillary was investigated 6 times for “crooked” acts and was never found to have committed any of the “crooked” acts alleged by her political opponents. All they accomplished was wasting millions of taxpayer dollars to tarnish her name in the minds of the casual political observer and the ignorant.

      • Daniel Wright says:

        I watched ALL of her testimony. She lied through her teeth. She lied to congress and she lied to you. She deserved much more than that “treatment” from congress. In any court of law she would have been convicted long ago. Congress has no prosecutorial powers. The (in)justice department is the prosecuting body. Anyone with a brain knows that after the meeting between Bill and Lynch that the fix was in. Where is your brain?

        • 788eddie says:

          YOU are lying, Daniel!

          Hillary did NOT lie. The proof was right in front of your eyes if she did; lying to a Congressional Committee is AGAINST THE LAW! There are heavy penalties if she did lie, including heavy fines and jail time. If the Committee (the majority of the members of the committee are Republicans, remember) caught her in a lie, where is the penalty? Where is the jail time? Where are the fines? Where is the censure? Huh? I’m waiting, Daniel. You are such a dweeb. You can’t even lie convincingly!

          The only other choice if you still maintain that, due to some twisted sense of loyalty to the currently dying Republican Party, is to accept that the Republican members of the committee (and their respective staffs) are total incompetents).

          Your call.

          And please don’t bother me any more with your lame commentary. You are not worth my time. Please go bother someone else.

          You are a FAWOMFT (that’s a Frequently Argued Waste Of My Time!)

          • Daniel Wright says:

            Tell me mister know it all. What law gives congress the authority to prosecute? I have news for you bud. It doesn’t exist. You need to learn what powers and authorities the three [co- equal] branches have. All prosecutions and enforcements of laws are invested in the EXECUTIVE BRANCH!!!! The president heads the executive branch. The attorney general is in charge of prosecuting things Hillary did. There is NO authority to prosecute invested in law or in the constitution. I showed you videos showing her lying with her own mouth. They were NOT impersonators. If you are too stupid to believe Hillary is honest while watching her lying through her teeth then that is YOUR PROBLEM. It is obvious to me that what you know about how the government works would fit on the head of a pin. Go ahead and act like a pinhead. Just don’t start sniveling if Hillary actually wins and you come to regret your stupidity for voting for someone who ends up a dictator. I am prepared for that contingency. I see you are not.

      • Daniel Wright says:

        Actually Trump is a piker compared to Clinton. For someone who thinks he is so informed you sure are uninformed.

      • PatrickHenry says:

        Can’t handle the truth huh? Hillary IN FACT lied about the youtube video causing the terrorist attack leaving 4 dead Americans. The FACT that help was asked for numerous tines, yet denied. The FACT that Hillary Lied about secret servers, multiple email devices, deleting classified email, many AFTER she was ordered to turn them in. You actually watched 4 1/2 hrs. of her BS ? Did it take you that long to find some little smidgen of information that you can try & spin for her Deplorable behavior. ?

        • 788eddie says:

          Rather that obfuscate with a line of your own BS, try to respond to my comment; there are no penalties that Hillary Clinton incurred; no charges have stuck. Ergo; she’s innocent.

          That’s all there is to it. And that’s regardless of the salivating attacks those on the right have tries to manufacture.

          Get used to saying “Madam President, Patrick.”

  9. AgLander says:

    The Democrats are putting all their eggs in the basket of attacking the “temperament” of Donald Trump compared to their candidates’ as a way to divert attention away from Hillary’s lack of accomplishments and truckload of scandals and illegal activities. You wanna talk about “temperament”? What kind of temperament is it from one who tells Secret Service agents to “#uck off!” when they merely greeted her with a “good morning” when she was the first lady? Only a hate filled psycho exhibits such behavior!

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/secret-service-agent-says-good/

  10. idamag says:

    I just finished a book by Jack McConnell. He was Trump’s casino financial manager in New Jersey. I actually thought that Trump’s persona was to let the Republicans see how bad they had become. It turns out, that is who he is. The bad thing is he might be right about shooting someone on Time’s Square and he would still be popular. Years ago, a Rockefeller had to drop out of the race because his wife filed for divorce and there was no way a divorced person could be president. Now they can be a speculator, make their money in gambling, do hostile takeovers of other casinos, use foul language, and sleep around with wife number 2 before he discards wife number 1. Then he sleeps with wife number 3 before he discards wife number 2. He can make racist remarks, lie continually and I am sure he might be able to get by with shooting someone on Times Square.

    • AgLander says:

      Maybe Trump will autograph that book for you on Nov.9th…..

      “To idamag, best wishes…..President Trump”

      • charleo1 says:

        Why, instead of just being a snark, don’t you defend the morality of Mr. Trump? Here’s your chance! Hold him, and his past behavior to the same standards you so sincerely claim to hold all persons seeking high office. For the sanctity of the Country and all that other garbage you spew out. And not about not Hillary, mind you, but her husband? Sanctimonious twit.

        • KDJ54 says:

          Hey don’t be too hard on aglander. He’s just like the preacher who rails against the evils of pornography on Sundays and then hopes no one in his congregation has the chance to check his web browser. Deep down, he wants to be a liberal, that’s why he hangs out with us. He’s like the little brother who teases his big brother so that when the big brother beats him up, he gets the attention he craves. Its alright aglander you can come in from the cold, we will accept you and give you comfort, while you embrace the true gospel you so desperately desire.

        • idamag says:

          I don’t pay any attention to ag lander. She has the development of a backwoods fourteen-year-old. When people grow up where there is no diversity of people or thought, they have arrested development. I would not gain anything from responding or reading the posts.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            Yes you know and see all,just like all other Democrats. You just refuse to see reality as it actually is,just like a Democrat.

          • idamag says:

            It is easy to believe that someone who does not share your point of view cannot see reality/ The reality is that I don’t believe in political parties and consider them destroying democracy. That is not a new point of view. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James Madison and John Adams shared that view. I am not a Democrat nor a Republican. I am an American. I don’t need a party telling me how to think. You evidently do.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            My reality is that I left both parties and am a registered independent. I certainly do not share your views. I am supporting the man that the media and the leaderships of both parties have tried to destroy. You support the anointed one of the media and Democrat party. Now what was that about parties again?

          • dpaano says:

            I agree….I don’t vote along party lines….I vote for the person that I think will be the best fit for the job. Sometimes I’ve voted Republican; sometimes Democrat. But, I don’t fault people for their own decisions, and it’s pretty sad that most of the trolls in this website don’t seem to understand that or feel the same way! They need to get a life and realize that people in this country have the God-given right to make their own decisions….even if those decisions don’t always agree with everyone else’s!

    • Dominick Vila says:

      ..and he can praise Putin, and encourage the Russians to spy on us, and gets away with it! Reagan, Nixon, Eisenhower, and every President that held that Office during the last several decades must be turning in their graves.
      Can you imagine any of those gentlemen, or Presidents like Kennedy or LBJ, saying something like that?

      • idamag says:

        Trump said all that needed to be said last night, when he said taking out bankruptcy was not against the law and if they didn’t want him to take out bankruptcy, they should change the law. He did not respond to the question about those who expected to get paid and did not.

        • Dominick Vila says:

          His excuse about why not renting to African Americans was not a big deal, because he settled out of Court, and because 20 other entrepreneurs did the same thing, was also very revealing.
          Not only is he a scumbag, he is not too smart.

          • Daniel Wright says:

            And Hillary only stole billions from Haitian earthquake victims who still to this day have no place to live and must scrounge to survive. Hillary is such a humanitarian.

      • Daniel Wright says:

        You sure know how to twist words. Trump said he hoped Putin would turn over any of Hillary’s emails {if he already had them}. That is past tense and in no way other than a leftist mind could be interpreted as asking anyone to spy on us. Hillary is the one who out our security at risk by having the unsecured server. You praise the traitor and demonize the man who wants her exposed. I can see how you could get everything azz backwards. After all,you’re a Democrat,right?

    • Daniel Wright says:

      On the other hand Hillary can destroy the lives of Bill’s sexual victims,Bilk seniors out of their homes and life savings, Sell ICBM technology to China for campaign money,Swindle the Haitian people, American taxpayers, and international contributors out of billions in relief money,take millions from terrorist countries in exchange for access to the US government,Jeopardize national security,delete classified documents while they are under subpoena and throw four Americans to the wolves in Libya and not only not be prosecuted for obvious felonies and treason but actually have a very good chance to be our next president.

  11. davekzy1@yahoo.com says:

    This election is the election of our lives!

    For most of my life, I’ve always wondered how on Earth The Holocaust ever happened. I understood that there were certainly mentally ill people, like Hitler, in the world. But how in the world did he get an entire country to act on hs behalf?
    NOW I’m watching it happen – the mentality – the fear – the greed – the desperation – the propaganda…
    Ignorant, weak minded people are, unfortunately, easily frightened. Reminds me of the saying – “People who stand for NOTHING will fall for ANYTHING.”
    Even if Trump does not win the election, I’ll never look at people on the street, in the grocery store, my neighbors, the same. Now I realize that roughly 50% of them are not only dumber than dirt, but prone to down right evil.

    • Daniel Wright says:

      Great post. I will add to your quote with two more. “a government big enough to give you every thing you want is big enough to take away everything that you have”. Attributed to Thomas Jefferson.. ……… “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help’ “……Ronald Reagan.

    • dpaano says:

      The GOP has a habit of using lies, conspiracy theories, and scare tactics to motivate their base. Trump is doing EXACTLY what they have always done and, unfortunately, his followers are totally brainwashed by the GOP into believing his every word even when it is clearly pointed out that its all mostly BS!! And, yes, he’s brought out the worst in many of our friends, neighbors, etc., and that’s the sad thing! He’s got them believing that this country is going to hell when it really is doing quite well considering where it was when President Obama came on board! It’s pretty sad that they don’t realize how much this administration has done to bring us BACK from the recession brought on by both Reagan and GWB’s mistakes.

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