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Thursday, January 17, 2019

When the Congressional Budget Office predicted in 2010 that 7 million Americans would sign up for health insurance in the Affordable Care Act’s first open enrollment period, this prediction wasn’t meant to be a goal.

But as every element of the law became politicized, that’s what it became. And as the website floundered, stumbled and — at times — seemed positively unfixable, it looked like a nearly impossible goal. Even the CBO revised its prediction to 6 million.

Now that this number has been reached, what do we know for sure?

The New Republic‘s Jonathan Cohn put it best when he said, “The signup figures may not show that Obamacare works well. But they show that Obamacare works.” We don’t know if we have the 51 viable individual markets the law intended to create, but signs point to it being possible.

Still, Republicans will keep attacking the law — because, you know… elections — but their arguments will become even more absurd.

Here are the five worst arguments that will never, ever die — and why they should.

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36 responses to “5 Worst Zombie Republican Arguments Against Obamacare”

  1. ORAXX says:

    Republican opposition to the ACA was never based on anything but preserving the prerogatives of the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries, and the multi million dollar salaries of the people who run them. The GOP couldn’t care less about the health care of ordinary Americans.

    • FredAppell says:

      Well said my friend. During the 2012 Republican Presidential debates all the Republican candidates were doing their damn best to
      to see who could out-crazy who. They had the gall to say that Americans are not entitled to healthcare.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        If you have a curable fatal illness, not being entitled to health care is the same as not being entitled to life! One would think the anti-abortion crowd would expand their “pro-life” morality to cover that!

        • FredAppell says:

          Don’t think for a moment that the right wing doesn’t think that way. They don’t believe that anything is guaranteed. Unless of course they’re excluded from having to pay for it. It’s evident to me that the argument always comes back to money, they believe money is liberty, very twisted ideology they have there.

        • Sand_Cat says:

          They only want to extend the lives of people who would prefer to die!

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

      Except the whole ACA was written to give business to those selfsame health insurance companies. That was because the GOP said they would refuse to vote for any measure that was a single-payer system. Of course, none of them voted for the ACA anyway, so the Democrats should have made it a Single-Payer system and told the GOP and the insurance industry to take a long walk off a short pier.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        As of 2009, enough Democrats in the Senate, and possibly in the House, were “moderately conservative” enough that THEY would not vote for a single payer plan. In fact, the most obstinate holdout was then-DINO Joe Lieberman, who said he would REFUSE to allow a vote in the Senate if even a public OPTION (e.g. buy Medicare early) was included. So even in the Democratic party, the only way to make ANY PROGRESS at all was through this compromise.

        After a few years of experience with Obamacare, when voters see that it helps a great many people, but not quite everyone, the odds of passing single payer will increase (and by then, the one thing Republicans respect will be on its side: simpler bureaucracy and a healther risk pool for Medicare). But don’t be like the college boy in that famous Alka-Seltzer ad of the 1960s: hitching a ride to Miami for spring break, hip deep in snow, and turning down a ride from a beautiful girl in a sports car because she was “only going as far as Fort Lauderdale.”

      • ORAXX says:

        The health insurance industry opposed the ACA all the way, and spent over a hundred million dollars on lobbying efforts to fight it. The health insurance industry wanted to go right on rejecting for preexisting conditions, and to be able to cancel people when they got sick. I do agree on single payer. It is the only thing that really makes any sense. This country owes the insurance industry nothing.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      Try adding hatred of a Dem president with the wrong skin color.

  2. Lynda Groom says:

    My favorite is the the Federal government, state government exchanges and the insurance companies have joined together to make a phony number. Yeah cooking the books makes so much sense….not!

    • Paul Bass says:

      Did you not read the article? The very first point totally blows your “phony number” “cooking the books” statement out of the water!

      Please reread the article before putting your fingers to the keyboard and PROVING that you are just spouting right wing lies…

    • Paul Bass says:

      From page 2 of this very article, “given that enrollment figures are verifiable…”

      • Joe Gawel says:

        Paul, I think you’re misunderstanding Lynda’s point. She, as I read it, is on the same side as you (and me), saying that her favorite ‘pub canard is the one that must assume that the feds, states, and private insurance companies are in cahoots to cook the books: it “makes so much sense . . . not!”

        • Paul Bass says:

          Pardon Me! I’m an Idiot! I thought Lynda was saying they were phony numbers.

          Sorry Lynda, I’ll try to put on MY thinking cap before I type… 🙂

  3. latebloomingrandma says:

    I don’t understand how conservative, Christian, pro-life people can completely diss the ACA. This is basically saying that millions of our fellow human beings are not worth enough or do not deserve health care. So much for all people are created equal.

    • Paul Bass says:

      Most republicans are only pro-life BEFORE the child is born, not afterwards. (especially if that child is poor or from a democratic household…). In TX alone it is estimated that 45,000 will die THIS YEAR because Rick Perry refused medicare/medicaid for our state.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        They should count those people as having been EXECUTED for the crime of poverty. That will really make conservatives love Perry … no one else would execute 45,000 people in America!

    • FredAppell says:

      Many right wing trolls have said emphatically that we are not all created equal. They don’t understand the true meaning of the phrase. Their little brains can’t conceptualize that everyone is unique and has value. They say they love Jesus but they choose to follow the ideology of a known self serving atheist (Ayn Rand) who preached survival of the fittest. FYI, I don’t have a problem with atheist’s, I’m agnostic but I enjoy exposing frauds.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      Have you heard the “Christian” pronouncements of these people? Lots of them would probably support death camps for the poor (so long as the camps don’t permit abortion; they have to wait until the “baby” is born).

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      You got it right with your “This is basically saying….” The rich hate and fear the masses, because the masses pose a constant threat to the rich. The rich fear the day that a charismatic leader will organize the middle class and the poor and slaughter the rich.

      I believe that this fear is well founded. I believe that we will see a revolution in America.

  4. ps0rjl says:

    The argument that I shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s healthcare is pure bunk. All insurance companies have always been doing that. They insure a large pool of people so that the healthy ones’ premiums offset what they pay out in medical claims plus insure them a profit. It’s only been in the last thirty years or so that they figured out that by dropping the most unhealthy ones that they could really increase their bottom line. If you don’t believe me just look at how the health insurance industries’ profits and top management’s salaries have increased. With the ACA we will now be returning to the original premise that everyone can now get affordable insurance.

  5. ExRadioGuy15 says:

    ORAXX is correct. Every GOP argument against the PPACA is based on a logical fallacy. In fact, nearly every argument the GOP have against ANYTHING is based on a logical fallacy, which makes them easier to debunk.

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      You’re right, ExRadioGuy15, but to understand the GOP, one must recognize that they adhere to the Golden Rule: “He who has the gold makes the rules”.

      • ExRadioGuy15 says:

        I’m painfully aware of the “Financial Golden Rule”, CPA.
        About nine months ago, I began writing on social media that, if the GOP and their Fascist and greedy wealthy and big corporate masters don’t stop their plan of upward wealth redistribution, they can expect to befall the same fate as the elites and monarchy did in the French Revolution: having their heads separated from their bodies via guillotines.
        I also wrote that, although I believe most of the GOP deserve to get the guillotine treatment, I’d prefer an “Icelandic”-style revolution, where the GOP and their high-dollar supporters are arrested, convicted and spend long terms in prison.
        And, believe it or not, that can be done RIGHT NOW, as every GOP politician is guilty of Insurrection/Rebellion and/or Sedition, with many of them being guilty of BOTH…Many of the wealthy supporters of the party are also guilty of these crimes…what we need now is a Justice Department with the balls to do their jobs…..

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          The Justice Department is run by a lawyer who’s going to right back to his old firm when his term is up. That firm services the investment and banking industry, so you can see why no action has been taken against the bankers like Blankfein, Dimon, et al, who ruined the American economy in the 2008 meltdown. He claimed that if he tried to get indictments, the prosecution would

          With that in mind, I don’t see the Justice Department doing anything outside the civil rights field, which for some reason is an Obama priority.

  6. Irishgrammy says:

    It never ceases to amaze how so many people in this country refuse to educate themselves or simply use common sense & logic when it comes to insurance, medical care and how it works……something that affects ALL of us at one time or other in our lifetimes. The ACA affects about 20% of the population while 80% will still have whatever plan they have currently with the listed benefits of the ACA, no longer being denied for pre-existing conditions, which is a huge benefit, no lifetime caps, no extra premium for being a WOMAN…… free preventable care/tests, etc., etc…. . The major difference are those who have health insurance will see a slower rise in their annual adjustments in premiums, which has happened like clock work for decades, even if most don’t know, if they are covered under an employer’s provided plan (that’s why every year when you boss tells you to look at a new HC plan it’s because he is having to pay more and is shopping a cheaper plan, CAUSE IT GOES UP EVERY YEAR come HELL OR HIGH WATER!!!!). The more those who were uninsured will now have that insurance and get the medical care they deserve with better health care outcomes, logically driving down costs for everyone as those medical bills will be paid and NOT tacked on to larger increases for your insurance! It’s called MATH! The vicious assaults and lies from the Paul Ryan and the rest of the lying right that Medicare is going up I know for a fact is untrue as I am on Medicare and I have seen a drop of about 15 to 20% in my medications, which was predicated and not one other change or increase, and that is after an operation the beginning of last year! We are very fortunate, we have the best Supplemental Plan available! Frankly, Medicare is the best insurance coverage I have had in 50 plus years of having health insurance! I am still a strong believer in Medicare for all with those who want a selection of Supplemental plans to fit every budget, that yes, you pay for, but it’s your choice….. But, hope springs eternal, maybe some day when the American public wakes up and stops buying the lies and ideological crap the GOPTP has been selling for decades……..We will see as the ACA moves along and gains more and more signups… when word of mouth starts spreading of positive outcomes that having insurance to pay for unforeseen health issues or accidents that will be covered for the first time in peoples lives, lives actually saved……..and why the GOPTP wants that NOT to be the reality for peoples lives is a complete mystery to me other than their contemptible ideology of vilifying and hating all or any good the “government” is able to do………WE are our government, and we can DO GOOD if we work for it and DO IT right!!! What is it they say, “If YOU don’t have your health, you have nothing”………truer words were never spoken!!!

  7. rzinny1 says:

    Instead of making a BETTER healthcare program, the republician BRAIN- POWER through all their eggs in one basket. The basket was to challenge it the Supreme Court. Even with a conservative court, they lost. Romney had his health care program. But the brain power of the GOP put a Tea Partier on the ticket, and they lost. Boehner tried to shutdown the government over Obamacare, and they lost. The GOP is aleinating more and more people from middle class. They have become a party OF , BY and FOR the wealthy.

  8. TennesseeRedDog says:

    Repubicans don’t need to respond to “alternatives” to the crackpot Obama law. But they will, in crayon if necessary, for low info Dems to understand. Free and healthy markets fix everything that politicians screw up.

    Democrats can’t run a Willie’s Weenie Wagon and now claim that they are running one of the most complicated industries in the world “just fine”? LOL. That’s comedy gold. Wait until the bills come due next year. Even more GenXers will be sleeping on futons and eating Hot Pockets in mommy’s basement.

    More Obama “new normal”.

    • ralphkr says:

      Well, RedDog, I have noticed that the major difference between “low info” Democrats and “low info” Republicans is that the Democrats can read while the Republicans either can’t read or refuse to be bothered to read.

    • Sand_Cat says:

      Sorry, but the “crackpot” “Obama law” came out of the crackpot Heritage Foundation; would you like to broadcast more of your ignorance and bigotry? I’m sure we’d all enjoy it.

  9. TennesseeRedDog says:

    When Obama finishes putting all the health insurance companies out of the market, you can enjoy free medical care at about $7,500 a year. Good luck seeing a real physician though. FORWARD comrades!

    • ralphkr says:

      Gee, RedDog, you must have snuck in and read my financials. $7,500 a year is approximately what my health insurance company has been collecting from me and my ex-employer for my group health plan premiums. Of course, it is a Cadillac plan and has coverage almost as good as Medicare except that it has ALWAYS covered prescription drugs and has been covering preventive care for many years (just like ACA now requires).

  10. ThomasBonsell says:

    Figures from Bloomberg (August, 2013) say the Swiss pay more than Americans for health care – $9,121 to $8.608 – but since the average income in Switzerland is so much higher, the total as a percentage of GDP is lower –11.5% to 17.2%.

    Bloomberg rates Switzerland’s system the 9th most efficient in the world while the United States is 46th, meaning the Swiss get a lot more for the buck than we do.

  11. charles king says:

    With a little critical thinking People you should be able to decide Who? is worthty for your VOTE because Obamacare WORKS, Food Stamp for the un-employed WORKS, Medicare WORKS, Social Security WORKS Who? are these people that are against these things that WORKS for the American people. Why? are they against things that WORKS for their fellow American. What? the hell is going on in America. I know MONIES are causing a lot of problems for our Representives Who? do not know how to be true to thy self. Where? is our Democracy, Why are Plutocracts (Commissioniers) trying to sell off the public ASSETS and then turn around and privatize the People’s Assets and end up Managing the People’ assets, check it out, You will be angry. Thank You are the magic word in my book. I Love Ya All. Mr. C. E. KING

  12. rjheckma says:

    This article may be against the law. For a year all I have read are negative commentaries on the ACA. Therefore they must be right and you must be wrong. How dare you interject facts. How dare you consider all Americans equal.

    In conclusion, thank you for writing this piece. Well done.

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