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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

Adventures In Analysis: ‘Checking’ Of Democratic Speeches Lacked Relevant Facts

Adventures In Analysis: ‘Checking’ Of Democratic Speeches Lacked Relevant Facts

What media organizations refer to as “fact-checking” is shifting, in this election season, from a useful exercise in monitoring to a questionable form of editorializing. Egregious examples have lately emanated from CNN and the Associated Press, usually  sources of straightforward reporting, in reaction to speeches at the Democratic National Convention this week.

This tendentious tendency first appeared in response to former President Bill Clinton’s boffo nominating speech. Referring to a Republican consultant who had said the Romney  campaign would not be constrained from (falsely) criticizing the welfare policies of the Obama administration by “fact-checkers,” Clinton chortled: “Now that is true. I couldn’t have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the [welfare] ad.”

To AP reporters Tom Raum and Calvin Woodward, Clinton’s remark became the occasion to dredge up the Monica Lewinsky affair to show that the former president “has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth.” Comparing the effort to conceal a personal sexual indiscretion with the racially-tinged Republican attempt to smear Obama on welfare policy struck many observers as idiocy – and they said so.

The AP editor’s feeble defense of this stupidity didn’t help. “The reference was not about that woman, Miss Lewinsky,” he said. “It was about facts. Clinton challenged the Republicans for their attitude toward facts. We were simply pointing out that as president, Clinton had his own challenges in this area.”

But the AP “fact-check” of Clinton’s speech fell short in other ways as well, though none quite as glaring. Raum and Woodward complained that Clinton shouldn’t have credited Obamacare for the reduction in the rise of health-care costs, because experts supposedly believe that drop to have been caused by economic uncertainty. There is no logic to that claim – since costs rose during earlier periods of uncertainty – and the AP cited no experts to confirm it. (Bloomberg News found no material errors in Clinton’s speech, incidentally.)

  • The only disappointment I felt during the DNC was the decision made by the CNN talking heads to spend more time talking, nitpicking and giving themselves importance instead of covering most of the speeches delivered during the convention. The line between CNN, ABC and FOX is becoming so narrow it is almost invisible…and Republicans continue to talk about the “liberal” media! An example of extreme bias involved the time they spent criticizing the omission of the word Jerusalem in the DNC platform, and the fact that it was not corrected until the convention was in proggress, while conveniently ignoring the fact thar the word Jerusalem is conspicuous by its absence in the GOP platform and nobody bothered to do anything about it!

    • Bobbi Penniman

      One word answer: C-SPAN

      • BDD1951

        I forgot all about C-SPAN. I kept switching between MSNBC and PBS.
        Yelling at the TV to let us hear the speeches. Dang it. I’m 78 years old and I can do that.

    • RNC= LIES = FAILED DNC= TRUTH =HOPE!!!

  • I do my own research. It takes time; but the media, as a whole, is partisan; some on the left and others on the right. Example: a friend of mine, Repub, is sure the sitting President will cut VA. I just heard on TV cable news, MSNBC, Paul Ryan’s proposed budget cuts VA in the first year of implementation. Okay, now I have to read the Ryan Budget word for word. Betting neither side actually cuts VA benefits from recipients themselves. I am also betting the Repubs think they cannot talk about their cuts to their base unless those cuts come from the social programs Repubs do not like. Same premise is true for the Dems; don’t talk about the things the base will be uncomfortable hearing. Fact checkers? Not really. Both sides pander to the publics who do not put time into being informed. Very frustrating. I always get frustrated in important elections.

  • YepThatTell

    Remember this every time someone complains about the ‘liberal’ media; that is a convenient fiction. Our media is owned by very conservative mega-corporations.

    Of course, the labels are harmful in themselves; I don’t want Liberal or Conservative media – I want the media to tell the Truth and focus on real issues, not the political game. I want them to sell advertising time with the requirement that the ad content be truthful.

    • TZToronto

      Late last night I saw that $716-billion-cut-to-Medicare ad-lie again. It seems that even when the lie has been repeatedly debunked, the media that run these ads are way more interested in the ad revenue than in the truth.

      • Southlib1

        Repeat the Big Lie often enough… Of course the big media are going to run the lies. Their business IS to make money, not to deliver the truth. This is why we need independent, non-profit media.

      • In their defense, let’s not forget that political ads are paid for by the campaigns and interest groups. Our media, depends on sales and profits to function and it will continue to air ads like that as long as they get paid. Ideally, they would make their positions clear to ensure everyone understands the fact that thre is a difference between their business practices and their values, but since we live in an imperfect world it is up to us to research, study and reach logical conclusions.
        The worst part of the MEDICARE $716B claim is that it is the centerpiece of Rep. Ryan’s budget. He participated in the drafting of the budget and helped pass it in the House! It is obvious that GOP strategists considered the benefits of promoting Ryan’s budget Vs the benefits derived from scaring naive seniors to get their votes, and they opted for the latter.

      • The Republicans are great believers in the following statement:

        “If you tell a lie often, it becomes the truth.”

        – Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels, Reich Minister of Propaganda

    • sigrid28

      Amen.

    • Yes Fox Fake News Like Most Of The Rest Of The Media Is Helping In The GOP/Tea Party American Taliban LIES Cause They Are No Tell The People The TRUTH When They Know The Truth!!!

    • Wouldn’t that be something… everyone telling the truth??? I think they should be required to pass out FACT sheets showing what they say is truthful, then a cross-check on their fact sheet. Both parties are guilty of not selling the whole truth. The debates should be interesting with both parties standing their call each other liars.

    • DurdyDawg

      Yep, the only way that’s going to happen is for the greatest majority of people to quit reading, purchasing, watching or talking about those biased news moguls and give them the impression that truth in media is the only way we’ll support them, then do it! ..

  • Melford

    Liberal Media will say anything. This site sometimes has good information, but usually, it is just a good place to find exactly what the Liberal Spin currently is. Our economy is in shambles. Obama himself, before he took office, set benchmarks to expect he would be meeting. He said that if he did not meet them he did not deserve another term. That is an opinion, true enough. However, it is a fact that he did say that, and in his own opinion, he does not deserve another term. As for saying that there is no Liberal Bias, think again. Even the New York Times has been experiencing a “jumping ship” of many critical people whose job was to expose and reduce spin. They left because the spin was too much, and they were tired of fighting with it. It is funny that Liberals will cite “fact checkers” when the opinion they have coincides with their own, but now that the bias is being exposed and abandoned, they will attack those very same “fact checkers” that they supported before. In the end, people will make up their own minds, and some will see through this crying and whining to the truth of the Liberal Lies and awaken to a new understanding. Some will not. Many will be found here, living in a fantasy. Obama’s claim that things are getting better is just as easy to see though as McCain’s assertion when he ran against the “Hollywood Hero” that our economy was “Solid” and Obama’s lie is so transparent, that it will bite him in the backside. I think it already is doing so, and has you running scared. All the Republican’s have to win is play right along with Obama’s claim. Invite people to vote on whether they think Obama has improved things or made them worse. Look at the polls. Most Americans realize that they and the rest of the country are *not* better off! And you can expect others to distance themselves from Obama because of this if they are in a tight race. You have little “Hope” that your lies will be supported, even by all of your own people. They can see how big a lie this is, and say what you want, The Zero Man has given you the political shaft, and fewer and fewer people want to be attached with his Liberal Agenda in any way! The Emperor Has No Clothes!

    • ObozoMustGo

      Melford: Bravo! Great commentary on the hypocrisy of the left. I think it’s important to point out that The Memo IS NOT at all concerned with journalistic integrity. Joe Conason is the lead useful idiot in this leftist sea of insanity. To say that he engages in yellow journalism is an insult to yellow journalism. Rather, he’s just a tool of the Obozo campaign propaganda machine along with the other useful idiots he employs and who write here. If you take notice of only the headlines at The Memo, and then take notice of the narrative and rhetoric coming from the leftist talking heads inside that campaign, you will realize that they are one in the same, and are very coordinated with each other. This is no accident. It’s very deliberate and extremely controlled. Those on the inside who are honest, and let’s face it that honesty is a rare trait for leftists, will admit to this fact. The rest must hide it because the ends justifies the means. This is why papers like NYT are losing readership faster than Chris Matthews slobbers while he rambles, and network television is losing viewers equally quickly. What is so funny to see is that they actually don’t care enough to change their ways. The leftist agenda and goals are more important than even a profitable business.

      Here is an example: During Bush years, every single “news” article and TV “news” show relentlessly showcased the “death count” in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now, when the death count in Afghanistan is at least DOUBLE what it was in Bush years, what do you hear on the nightly news? crickets……. crickets…….. crickets……. crickets …….

      Here is another: During Bush years, do you remember all of the focus on gas prices and how every news show linked Bush to those high prices? Well, since Obozo has taken office, gas prices are up 120%. Do you see news reporters interviewing people filling up their tanks? Of course not. What do you hear? crickets……. crickets…….. crickets……. crickets …….

      There are 23 MILLION Americans un/underemployed. There are 600,000 fewer jobs available in the total economy since Obozo took office. There are 47 MILLION Americans on Food Stamps, up 15 MILLION since Obozo took office. Unemployment over 8% for 42 consecutive months, and the news media cheers a 1 tenth of a percent uptick like it’s the greatest thing to ever happen. Who the hell are they kidding. Obozo has increased the debt by nearly $6 TRILLION in 3.5 years and all they can do is blame Bush 4 years later? What the hell is wrong with this picture? I’ll tell you what’s wrong… the State controlled media don’t want to talk about their “chosen ones” failures. But I will. So will you. And others.

      More and more of us are waking up to see the media and Obozo as being inextricably linked. It’s no wonder less than 20% of the population actually trusts them anymore. They are the architects of their own demise.

      If you want laugh your butt off at pure DemoncRAT hypocrisy right at their own convention, go to the following site:

      reason dot com/archives/2012/09/05/how-pro-choice-are-democrats

      Keep fighting the good fight.

      Have a great day!

      “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” – Ronald Reagan

      • ‘Obama has increased the debt by nearly $6 trillion in 3.5 years.’ Really sir?, and I suppose he did all by himself. The worst recession in over 70 years when added to two massive tax cuts have reduced the revenue stream into the treasury. You do understand that it is not the President who spends…don’t you?

        • ObozoMustGo

          Hi Lynda! I hope you are well today. 🙂

          To answer your question… YES! Obozo is the top dog. He’s the guy in charge. He owns the problems. Especially true since he had full control of the whole Congress for 2 full years. The nearly $1 TRILLION of so-called stimulus was his, and was baselined into the annual spending. But notice that he has not signed a single budget since he’s been in office. You may wonder why, if he had control of Congress for 2 years, did he not have a budget? Do you think this was an accident, and Obozo just forgot while he was playing one of 115 rounds of golf or one of 200+ fundraisers? No. I it is not an accident. The truth is that he does not want a budget because if he signs it, he can’t blame Bush Obozo is truly a piece of crap president. He needs to be unemployed like the other 23 million Americans he’s kept out of work.

          One other point… Harry Truman said “The buck stops here!”…. Obozo said “The buck stops with you!”…. contrast those 2 men with that statement. It should be clear to you that Obozo is a poor standard bearer for your leftist party ideology. Maybe it’s better if you guys just give up and plan on Hillary in 2016.

          Have a nice day, Lynda!

          “The most terrifying words in the English language are: I’m from the government and I’m here to help.” – Ronald Reagan

          • AmadiSadiki

            Obama has made clear accomplishments during his first term that I believe you and others are ignoring.

            He has bought more military security because Al-Quaeda and Osama Bin Laden have been neutralized to a great extent, the Iraq war is over and there is a timetable for ending the Afghanistan War. Also we have so far been able to avoid being drawn into new wars in Syria, Libya and against Iran.

            We are more secure economically because our economic system avoided falling into the abyss of the threat of a major deppression and although unemployment is still very high, long-term investments have been made for sustainable growth.

            We are more secure medically because medical care is more accessible to citizens than ever before.

            We are more secure as consumers because restrictions have been put into place that protect consumers from predatory bank practices.

            The Auto Industry is more secure.

            Women employees are more secure because laws have been implemented that promote equal pay for equal work.

            Efforts are in place to modernize our medical record-keeping and to usher in a renewable energy industry.

            Finally we are on an inclusive path that is bringing all the citizens together in an effort to embrace a vision for our country that is more closely based on the sustainable values of cooperation and fairness.

            As far as the deficit is concerned. Yes he did add $1 trillion to the deficit via the stimulus but it has been argued that the stimulus was a factor in turning the economy around and avoiding a deppression, while investing in a new renewable energy industry, modernization of the medical records system and supporting several states that were in deep financial peril. Also Obama brought more transparancy to the accounting by counting the wars as part of the national debt, in contrast to the Bush administration’s efforts to hide the expenses.

            Whether you want to face the facts or not, Obama has been the great leader that the country has needed for times like these. Now he has called upon the citizenry to own the change that we want to see. He has projected a vision that will take our country forward to a new, inclusive and mutually beneficial future. That means that we must hold him accountable for doing his part to allow this vision to become a reality but at least he won’t stand in the way of progress. Obama has set the terms of the debate for this election and he is now in the drivers seat because the other side has persisted in dealing in the outdated ideas of selfishness, division and fear. It is time for our country to move to a higher level.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Amadi…. you are very good at cut and paste posting. Took that one right off of the Obozo campaign propaganda site, didn’t you? What a fool!

            More military security?? What are you? High? You must be. The rise of the radicals from the Muslim Brotherhood and sharia law throughout the middle east? Iran’s nuclear program? Killing terrorists instead of capturing them and gathering intelligence? Leaving our borders wide open for drug cartels and terrorists to walk right in? Challenging any state’s rights to try to defend their borders? If this is more security, you’re high on crack.

            More secure economically? You are stoned!!! Our national debt at $16 TRILLION now exceeds our GDP. Our credit rating has been cut because of the radical increase in debt. Even Obozo’s own WH budget projections put us at $21 TRILLION in debt within 4 years. 47 Million Americans on Food Stamps, up 50% in 3.5 years. 23 MILLION Americans out of work, 300K fewer total jobs than the day he took office. And you call this better? What the hell is wrong with you? Are you stupid?

            More secure medically? You are stoned on something, dude. Obozocare does not start until AFTER this election.

            More secure from predatory banks???? How many banks held a gun to your head and forced you to take a loan? NONE! What a bunch of idiot morons you leftist freaks are. Obozo is directly responsible himself for the housing collapse because when he worked for ACORN, he sued Citibank to force them to make loans to people that could not pay them back. Obozo is the criminal here, and you idiots on the left want the fox to guard the hen house.

            Auto industry more secure? You obviously have ZERO clue how to read financial statements. You obviously ignore the fact that GM is investing all of our taxpayer dollars into 2 areas: China operations and overbloated pension promises for workers that no longer even work there. There’s no investment in America. 202,000 employees and 167,0000 of those are in other countries. 7 out of 10 cars GM makes are made overseas. How stupid are you?

            Women employees more secure? What the hell does that even mean? You are a fool to believe such nonsense.

            And your ignorance of the debt is all the information anyone needs to see to know that you have no clue what you are saying. You must be a snot nosed little college punk that’s never lived in the real world. If you are an adult, you are too stupid for words, which means you must be a government worker, or a mendicant, or both. Every sane person knows that you cannot spend your way to prosperity. It is impossible. Obozo is intentionally trying to bankrupt American in order to tear us down so a new socialist vision can replace our Constitutional Republic. And idiots like you support this effort without ever understanding the consequences.

            Obozo a great leader? OK…. a great leader of idiots like you that need a leader to tell them what do do and how to live.

            Have a nice day!

            As William Voegeli put it in Never Enough: America’s Limitless Welfare State, “Liberals don’t want the government to grow indefinitely. They just want it to be bigger than it is right now. The corollary of this stance is liberals’ refusal even to entertain questions on the dimensions of a welfare state that is exactly the right size.”

    • truth20l2

      The emperor has no clothes because people like you see Clint Eastwood’s imaginary Obama! Maybe you should consider that the fact checkers really are factual and that you perhaps are in denial?

  • tokoloshi27

    Interesting how when a former, impeached president starts talking through a laundry list of self-serving “truths” and their inverse; the pundit should – rightly in my opinion – remind viewers that the man perjured himself. To mention this, propounds Conason, is off issue since personal peculation doesn’t rise to the level of state indiscretions (like outing intelligence assets perhaps), and therefore shouldn’t be mentioned to viewers.

    Rank hypocrisy aside, the Clinton’s speech was a paragon of cherry-picked ‘facts’ – exactly what we’ve come to expect from both sides in this phase of our Democracy. You can’t fact check what was not directly mentioned; its all spin.

    • ObozoMustGo

      toko… good post, but you’ll find that useful idiots and leftist freaks around here aren’t really interested in objective truth. They prefer the spin that justifies their myopic world view based predominantly upon their hopes for a utopia on earth.

      Have a great day!

      “Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
      the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
      its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
      — Winston Churchill

      • Southlib1

        Name calling, insinuations of community, painting with a broad brush. You accuse Obama of a myopic world view while yours is firmly up your ***. Progressives are not attempting to find a utopia, we’re just trying to avoid the inevitability of a dystopian world under your right wing idiocrats.

      • sorry, double post

        • ObozoMustGo

          Siggy… I have recently posted a response to your assertion that Churchill had anything to do with the NHS. He did not. The NHS was shoved through in 1948 by the Labour Party, who had defeated Churchill in 1945 elections after the war ended. He was reelected in 1951 but the system was already in place and he was in his later years without a clear mandate. He served only 4 more years and retired. Since then, the financial history of the NHS is one of massive cost overruns and healthcare rationing, particularly to the elderly. To this day, NHS is a massive waste of money. In fact, one of the ideas they have developed to correct their financial problems is to offer their services to other countries at a profit, like an outsourced medical administration. This is a stunning indictment of socialized medicine from the inventors of socialized medicine. It’s on their website for you to see.

          Sorry to all of you leftist losers, but government control of healthcare IS NOT a healthy idea. In fact, it’s anything but…

          Have a nice day!

          “Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured … but not prove they are a citizen.” – Ben Stein

          • metrognome3830

            Tell us, OMG, where you got your factual information about NHS’ “massive” cost overruns, health care rationing, particularly to the elderly, etc. I have not seen any confirmed facts about the terrible mess the NHS is. I find lots of different opinions, both for and against. You certainly wouldn’t ask us to accept opinion as fact, would you? What some might consider health care rationing others might, and do, consider common sense medical care. What some might consider “massive” cost overruns, others may not. Does their website mention “massive” cost overruns?

            But, in lieu of our health care system, what would your ideal health care system entail? You have been very long on criticism, but very spare with your solutions. Romney and Ryan could use your help here. “Every man (or woman) for themselves” doesn’t seem to be a big seller.

            Have a nice day!

            Winston was a big fan of Fascism.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi Metro! Nice to hear from you, my friend.

            And I have offered my ideas on this health insurance topic at length in this tome. Below is a cut and paste of a previous discussion with someone named “hil”. I don’t have time to respond further and will be traveling with my son all weekend for his ice hockey game.

            ANYONE objective would look at the immense progress in medical care since the 1950’s and without question, would immediately know that such progress was initiated with the private incentive for profits.

            It’s clear that you are either an academic or a government bureaucrat or some other parasitic profession, but you certainly are NOT a business man. You would have failed at that long ago, for certain. The profit incentive IS the main driver behind innovation and the main driver behind cost cutting for competitive survival. Witness the following example:

            Car Insurance – Car Insurance is what we call REAL insurance. It doesn’t pay for your maintenance, breaks, tires or gasoline. It only pays when you have a catastrophic loss. You bear a little burden in your pre-agreed upon deductible, they pick up the rest. The market is quite efficient and cost effective. If you are a bad driver with higher risks, then you pay more. Good driver, low risk, low premium. Very simple.

            What do you think the cost of car repair and car insurance would be if they also had to pay for your oil changes, breaks, tires, routine repairs, and gasoline? Then, place the industry under the watchful eyes of government bureaucrats, whose bureaucracy must be paid for somehow. Add to that, the fact that both State and Federal governments must be involved in oversight and the costs of the “oversight” increase even more. Every repair results in a mountain of paperwork by the mechanic’s growing administrative staff so that the customer can only pay $5 for his oil change and the mechanic will have to file papers to collect the other $25. When he does, the insurance company disputes his charge for the oil change saying that it is not “ordinary and customary”. So his admin has to fight it to collect. This raises the cost of doing business and the mechanic now learns that he must charge $45 for the oil change to cover costs. Repeat this over millions of transactions per day across America, and now you begin to understand how destructive our system really is.

            As well, let’s say that it’s not “fair” that “rich” people can afford more and better maintenance on their cars. Government MUST address this imbalance. They set up new bureaucracies and agencies and programs to insure that the “poor” have access to auto insurance that pays for all of their auto care. Now they must pass those costs on to everyone else, even those that don’t want or own a car. Does this sound familiar?

            I could go on and on and on and on with this example, but any reasonable thinking human being NOT committed to socialist ideals would understand that under the scenario of making auto insurance and auto repair follow the same model as government controlled health care, costs of auto insurance and auto repair would necessarily SKYROCKET!

            Does ANYONE seriously believe that auto maintenance or auto insurance would be cheaper? You cannot say so with a straight face. Sorry. You cannot.

            Your faith in government is wildly misplaced with this notion that they are accountable to the citizens. Like HELL they are. Since when has any overly bloated government bureaucracy EVER been accountable to citizens? They are overly bloated precisely BECAUSE they are NOT accountable to the citizens. You are living in a pipe dream. That’s like saying the State DMV gives you better service than your local bookstore. Bullsheet! Show me one socialist government, or even one socialist program or government service that is better than any local business! You show me that and I’ll show you a business that has/will be going under.

            Now, this is not an argument for anarchy (like Somalia). We do need government. You leftist nutjobs assume that because we conservatives recognize the pathetic record of government services that we don’t believe in any government at all. Nothing could be further from the truth. The hard part is balancing the necessary evil of government with the protections that prevent it from consuming everything in our private lives. And that is where we are.

            Like I have said in multiple posts before, the debate we need to have is over what we believe the proper role of the Federal Government should be in America. We have a Constitution that defines this question very well. You guys on the left don’t like the constraints placed on government. Fine. But we conservatives know that all government devolves toward tyranny to the degree that it gets bigger and bigger and “provides” more and more “services”. It is the natural order of things.

            Hope this clarifies some things for you, hil.

            Have a nice day!

            “I don’t think your boss should get to control the health care you get. I don’t think insurance companies should control the care that you get. I don’t think politicians should control the care that you get. I think there’s one person to make these decisions on health care and that is you.” – Guess who said it

          • metrognome3830

            Comparing health care to auto maintenance? The only relevance in that answer is the economics. That’s the thing about your attitude and so many on the right. Money is the only important thing. If one is going to own a car, the government (of most states) says you have to have insurance. But, one does not always need a car. Many people get by without cars. Look at NY City. But, how do you equate car maintenance with health care? There is no reasonable comparison to be made there. If your car needs brakes or a new windshield, it will not just up a die. If a human needs health care and they can’t get it, they might die. If you don’t fix your brakes and drive your car anyway, you and others might die. That’s why liability insurance is mandated. Not because you might lose the use of your car. You might have a point arguing against some government services, but you make no points with me using such an argument against health care. Sorry, buddy, but I think that argument is downright cold. I don’t believe private insurance companies should control the care you get, either, but they do. I don’t believe there should be health insurance companies at all. Now, when you have a plan that reduces health care costs to a level that everyone can afford to pay for their own care, without government or private insurance intervention, let me know.

            Have a great weekend!

            You don’t know who Lindsay Lohan is? Come on, she is one of those Hollywood types that you conservatives love to hate? And she is on YOUR side. Of course, she may or may not have been sober when she tweeted.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Metro… the problem with you lefties is that you over emotionalize healthcare. Of course my auto insurance and auto care example is absolutely correlated to health insurance and health care. Economic behavior is economic behavior, and we all make decisions in the same way: by what we believe if in our best interest. You dont go to the doctor because you’re trying to make a healthy country. Don’t be a fool. You go for YOU, no one else. You don’t change the oil in your car for your country. You do it for yourself and your interest in not siezing your motor. You want health care to be cheap and widely available, let the free market run it with minimal oversight. Just like car care is widely available to all at cheap prices, health care would follow the same pattern because economic behavior is the same.

            This brings up another point… you lefties LOVE to interchange and confuse insurance and care. They are 2 different matters. Then you come up with the most extreme examples to try to make your point that government control is better when there is absolutely NO EXAMPLE of where government does anything better than the private sector other than military.

            You dont think private insurance companies should control the care you get? What? You want them to pay for the service, so they should have a say. What kills me Metro is that you guys on the left complain about private insurance companies having a say over care, but ignore the say the government has over your care. You also ignore the fact that Medicare denies 8.3% of it’s claims, double the private sector. Who do you think you’ll have more success challenging a claims decision? A private business that needs your business? Or a government bureaucrat who has marching orders from an unelected administrator that has no accountability to Congress? Come on Metro… answer this question honestly. Who is easier to deal with? Private business or government?

            I get where you come from, Metro. You’re like many Americans who have always felt this tug in your heart to be charitable and a defender of the less fortunate. I share the same sense. However, you become blind to reality in your quest to force others into your same views of charity. And in so doing, allow politicians the power to take from Peter to pay Paul, after knocking a huge chunk off the top for themselves. It’s never worked, ever. No where in history has rob Peter to pay Paul economics ever worked. You know this is true, but you can’t help yourself because it’s more imp0rtant to say that you are doing good, to feel good about it, than it actually is important to do good with positive results. In other words, hey, as long as you try, it doesn’t matter what disastrous results come about. We tried, we feel good, and that’s what is important, not the consequences.

            I gotta run, Metro. Have a great day!

            As William Voegeli put it in Never Enough: America’s Limitless Welfare State, “Liberals don’t want the government to grow indefinitely. They just want it to be bigger than it is right now. The corollary of this stance is liberals’ refusal even to entertain questions on the dimensions of a welfare state that is exactly the right size.”

          • Dave_dido

            Mr. metrognome3830, if you want to know why we needed The Affordable Care Act as a starting point for revamping healthcare, just read Mr. Obozo’s post below.Talk about a “useful idiot”! The scary thing is that the GOP leadership doesn’t have any more to offer than Obozo does! I have refuted his same, lame arguments in a previous post and I’m not going to do so here because I think most readers of the Memo can easily tell that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about with regard to healthcare. I just want to point out that the GOP does exactly what Obozo does- they revile the President and the brave legislators who stuck their necks out to do something good for the American people, while they themselves don’t even understand the problem let alone try to come up with a solution. And they(the GOP and Obozo) will continue to not understand and not have a solution because they really don’t care about the middle/working class and because they are blinded by their ideology.

      • Nice non-sequitur. The quote from Churchill is interesting, but does not have anything to do with the subject.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Lynda… doesn’t necessarily have to.

          Have a nice day!

          “No man’s life, liberty, or property is in so much danger as when the legislature is in session.” – Mark Twain

    • truth20l2

      are there no depths too deep for you to venture?

  • i believe the republican party was out to make obama look bad from the start and were out to not work with him on anything he tried to pass after all its not in there best interst to make look good with them in control ot the congrss nothing will ever get passed and the house speaker will not bring to a vote if not even to a vote if anything is ever going to get pased in the congress and the senate you have to have the dems. in control of both so quit gripping and vote for both after all what has the repulican party ever done for the middle class it took the dems. to give what we have now and they want to take away i work hard so i could retire with a decent pension i paid into social sec. all those years am i not entile to it why should i have to pay more into it they dont speak about giving up they pension which is 3 times mines and health plans and lulus expense accounts they get why dont they cut all those out they only serve 2 terms as congress men and senate to be entiled to these benefits i worked 50 years for mines

    • sigrid28

      Yours is a voice we need not only to hear but listen to. Thanks.

    • Congressman must have 5 full years in order to be entitled to a congressional pension. That would not be after only serving 2 terms. It is 2.5 terms. However, I agree with the tone of your remarks.

  • adler56

    I expected new “fact-checkers” to appear when Republican pathological liars got slammed.
    With major papers and TV channels owned by right wing republicans who doubts that
    this is just more Republican lies with a cover of “fact checkers”? Greed knows no bounds.
    I sometimes think another civil war is the only answer. The 99% against the 1%- that would make the Israeli 6 day war look like the Afganistan war in comparison.

    • sigrid28

      I think you are on to something in your expectation that right-wing media owners may have put pressure on AP, ABC, and CNN to expand their definition of “the truth” when the Republican convention generated so much material that failed the truth test of fact checkers. The difference was immediately apparent, especially on CNN, where the rather too obvious enthusiasm of CNN “news” reporters and anchors played out on their faces as well as in content. We all have to remember that being fired and moving about horizontally is a fact of life in the news business, and feel some pity for them before quitting the channel. If enough people do this, their ratings will drop. Then, there will be more malleable, younger, maybe prettier reporters and anchors off in the wings, ready to do the bidding of media management.

      It is likely that this is the end of journalistic freedom on the part of these media conglomerates. Perhaps we have the Olympics to thank for keeping the NBC franchises somewhat above the fray, at least for the time being. Sports are actually protecting our freedoms, in this case. I speak of athletic sports, not the sport of electioneering. In this climate, there is just no substitute for keeping your own counsel when it comes to voting.

  • TZToronto

    So Obama’s policies have been a failure. Is that what you’re saying? Well, some things did not happen the way he said they would back in 2008, but if the Republicans had attempted to work with the Democrats between January, 2009, and the present, much of what he promised would have been achieved. And why did the Republicans refuse to cooperate? Was it based on policy differences? I don’t think so since many of the things Obama wanted and Republicans voted against were the very things the Republicans proposed! So what was the main reason Obama couldn’t achieve the things he promised four years ago? Mitch McConnell pulled no punches when he said that the Republicans’ top political priority was to deny President Obama a second term. The way to do that was to obstruct, obstruct, and obstruct. So don’t prattle about Obama not achieving his goals. If you’re going to complain that he didn’t succeed, then you must feel that his goals were worth achieving. Since that must be the case (or you’d be happy about the way things have gone over the past four years), then you have to admit the reason for his comparative lack of success–obstruction, obstruction, and obstruction.

  • I do not like all the pop-ups petitioning the Romney campaign to do or say what I may want. It is not my purpose to help a crooked fool to run a more successful campaign.

  • TZToronto

    You can mention Clinton’s faults as much as you like. That doesn’t change the validity of his remarks. If you want to talk about falsehoods, why don’t you mention the conspicuous absence of every major figure Republican figure, except Rice, from GW Bush’s eight horrible years, incompetent years? The Republicans were as much as saying that Bush’s years never happened. If they want to go back to Bush’s failed policies, why didn’t Bush make a speech extolling Romney? Could it be that the Republicans themselves admit the misery brought upon the United States, Iraq, and Afghanistan by the Neo-Conservatives who controlled the incompetent Bush like a puppet? Back in 2000, you’ll remember that the Democrats had no need for Clinton. They felt that he was a liability to the Gore campaign, but that was a major mistake. Clinton’s Presidency was, from a fiscal standpoint, very successful–lots of jobs and a budget surplus. In this case, the embarrassed Republicans helped their cause immensely by telling Bush and Cheney, et al., to stay away. Let’s not remind the ignorant, memory-challenged Joe Sixpacks in reality-television land that the economy crashed when Bush was running things. Let’s not remind them that 6,000 dead and 48,000 wounded soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan were the products of the Bush puppeteers. Let’s just tell them that Obama has screwed things up royally. They’ll believe, they’ll believe. I can’t recall Obama ever whining about the bad hand he was dealt when he took office. Obama has played the hand he was dealt; the Republicans didn’t bother to tell him that they were going to remove all of the aces for as long as he was sitting at the table.

  • montanabill

    The Bloomberg News found no material errors..?. I’ll bet the editors of the National Memo didn’t either. AP wasn’t alone in questioning some of the ‘facts’. CNN, Yahoo, Washington Post and others. And there is a huge difference between ‘no material errors’ and the full truth.

    • The problem is that you equate ‘your’ truth with the ‘whole’ truth – anything which contradicts ‘your’ truth is a ‘lie’.

      • montanabill

        You are projecting.

      • montanabill

        Interesting way to twist what I really said.

  • truth20l2

    you sir are an angry idiot.

  • truth20l2

    only problem here is that approximately 46 percent of voters think they are in the one percent! Blind, deaf, and dumb.

  • Elsa

    When I read the articles called “fact checking” by the AP, I actually laughed at the stupidity of it. It was a confused article that actually was more of an attack of Clinton, than anything else. Unfortunately, there is that fraction of people who will be quoting it on Yahoo, maybe here and anywhere else they can. It is just more proof that many of our political writers today do not deserve to be called Journalists. I watched both conventions on C- SPAN, it is the best way to go for those who like to make up their own mind.

  • dljones

    Thank GOD, the DNC is history and apparently content with their history Apparent the convention was intoxicated with excitement or were they just intoxicated?

    Obama failed to make a case for re-election. It was very original for him to read his 2008 speech to confirm the contrast of nothing creatively happened.

    The 365,000 unemployed that dropped out of the job market could have written Obama’s speech. It is all a hoax!!!!!!

    • ObozoMustGo

      DLJ… you are right on. That whole convention was boiled down to this:

      Free contraceptives, unlimited abortions, class warfare, and a celebration of big government.

      The 2 most important points from the DNC:

      1) The contrast of Clinton to Obozo was the best highlight of just what an incompetent and amateur punk that Obozo is. For that reason only, I do understand why the DemoncRATS are not enthused about this idiot again.

      2) Obozo did not use his 2008 speech. HE USED JIMMY CARTER’S 1980 SPEECH! And it is perfectly appropriate that he did because there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between those 2 failures.

      Have a great day!

      As William Voegeli put it in Never Enough: America’s Limitless Welfare State, “Liberals don’t want the government to grow indefinitely. They just want it to be bigger than it is right now. The corollary of this stance is liberals’ refusal even to entertain questions on the dimensions of a welfare state that is exactly the right size.”

  • If we, that is the citizenry of a democracy who should be able o count on the “third Estate” for straight-forward reporting, without this kind of clap-trap, this democracy cannot stand. If, ant they are, the “facts” cited by President Clinton are indeed facts, then what does his attemp at covering up his sexual discretion/ s have to do with it? Ed Williamson, Philadelphia, MS

  • onedonewong

    Yep if you have any negative writing about barak and his gang of thieves then they are either racist or mere opinions

  • alumahead

    The ” I know you are, but what am I” defense usually is deemed ineffective by the middle of third grade. Can someone just please tell us the truth every once in a while so we have correct information to make informed decisions?

  • Can’t say that I’m thrilled with any of the candidates so will be basing my vote on party platforms which are usually not that accurate either. However, I’m not one of the 1% and Republican economics have just about wiped out my retirement savings. Nough said??

  • I always thought the media was suposed to tell the facts, some of them are as bad as Fox news don’t know how to tell th;e truth. These are reporters?

  • Clinton’s big lie was about his personal life. I can’t discern which of the Romney/Ryan lies is the biggest, unless it is that they love the middle class and their programs will not hurt them.