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Sunday, September 25, 2016

WASHINGTON — The administration has set expectations for President Obama’s trip to Israel so low you’d think he was making another visit to Ohio. Yet this is a very consequential journey because it comes at a moment when hopes for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are fading away.

In setting foot on Israeli soil for the first time since he became president, Obama cannot suddenly spark productive talks between the two sides. But these two days are essential to improving the president’s standing within the middle ground of Israeli opinion. This, in turn, could restore his ability to influence Israeli sentiment in favor of negotiations.

Immediately upon landing Wednesday, he thus declared that his purpose was “to reaffirm the unbreakable bonds between our nations” and “to restate America’s unwavering commitment to Israel’s security.” For good measure, he noted that “more than 3,000 years ago, the Jewish people lived here, tended the land here, prayed to God here.”

The litany was a necessary effort to undo damage caused by a passage in Obama’s 2009 Cairo speech in which he suggested that Israel was created in response to “anti-Semitism in Europe” that “culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust.” However well-intended, that statement upset many Israelis because it downplayed the nation’s core affirmation that its right to existence goes back to Abraham, the Biblical patriarch whom Obama pointedly mentioned in his brief opening speech.

Moving Israelis his way is crucial to everything else Obama needs to do. From 2009, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu strengthened his political hand at home by using Obama’s relative unpopularity in Israel as a foil. After a brief suspension, Netanyahu’s government resumed Israeli settlements on the West Bank, further complicating efforts to make it the heart of a new Palestinian state and arousing anger among Palestinians. Netanyahu also succeeded in moving the nuclear threat from Iran rather than Israeli-Palestinian peace to the center of the American-Israeli discussions.

Obama’s trip represents a restart, a favorite word of his administration. Its timing is, in certain ways, propitious. Obama was re-elected — with strong support, it should be said, from American Jewish voters — while Netanyahu suffered a setback in January’s Israeli elections. The voting was seen as a modest shift away from the right.

Netanyahu maintained power but was forced to cobble together a new coalition forged just before Obama’s arrival. The new Israeli government includes two upstart parties led by young, charismatic leaders: a surging centrist party led by Yair Lapid, and the right-of-center Jewish Home Party led by Naftali Bennett.

Further working for Obama is the fact that a somewhat weakened Netanyahu now has an interest in warming relations with him.

  • Efforts to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem have been ongoing in earnest since, at least, the Carter era, with little to show for them. The reason this problem has not been solved is caused by the influx of European Ashkenazi Jews into Israel and the subsequent need for territorial expansion. Not only is a two-state solution improbable, as a result of Israel’s territorial needs, I would not be surprised if those needs eventually require expansion into Lebanon. Netanyahu was being honest when he told Bush, after the latter boasted of an imminent solution following the Annapolis talks, that a solution is not going to happen any time soon.
    This has nothing to do with nice and bad guys, or engineered crises to support the status quo, it is the result of the most powerful nation in the Middle East pursuing its geopolitical goals…and they are neither the first ones, nor the only ones doing it.

    • JohnRNC

      I agree with your assessment except for the “nothing to do with nice & bad guys”. I think there have been plenty of bad actors on both sides and a general lack of “nice guys” who have a genuine interest in solving the problem. A 2-State solution is not even an ideal situation given the way the region is being carved up by [largely illegal] Israeli settlements. Ultimately, both sides will have to let go of [generations of] hostility and discriminatory behavior towards each other and figure out how to coexist on terms of equality and respect. Obama can’t make that happen. Only the people of the region can do that.

      What Obama can do is hold higher expectations of the conduct of both sides and use US financial assistance as leverage to encourage more reasonable behavior.

      • CPAinNewYork

        What Obama should do is get us out of the Middle East completely. We can buy the Arabs’ oil without having troops there.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        Financial Assistance? How much MORE money are we going to throw at a situation that is totally unsolvable? I thought Republicans want to do all they can to cut spending? Maybe not!

        Letting go of their hostilities? Please, they have been killing each other over there for well over 2000 years. And we think, our country which represents a Pimple on a Jackasses behind, historically speaking, is going to change anything over there?

        The ONLY real solution I see is dissolving Israel, bringing all the Jews here as citizens. Afterwards, carpet bomb everything and destroy everything so nothing is left. Glass it if necessary!

        Let the Rag Heads have it! Return it to what it was originally, nothing but SAND.

        • RobertCHastings

          Muslims did not exist 2,000 years ago, and Muslims claim Abraham as their progenitor, as do the Jews. So your claim that these people have been at it for well over 2,000 years is grossly in error. Your FINAL solution to the problem is precisely the kind of thinking that precipitated the Holocaust. Dehumanize the others, make them into mindless beasts, and it is easy to feel no remorse about destroying them. Does that really sound like the Christian thing to do?

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            First off, I really don’t give a hoot about “the christian thing to do”. I ain’t christian. By the way, if it was left up for the “christian thing to do”, the Jew would have been wiped out long ago. Remember, according to religious teachings, it was the Jew who had Jesus executed. Christianity has never forgiven the Jew for that.

            Muhammad existed approximately around 570 to 632. I missed it by 600 years. I was still pretty close.

            Sorry, I have very little sympathy for a civilization that is overall hell bent on destroying us.

            As far as the Holocaust, Christianity, and that is of the Catholic Church, basically ignored what was going on in Germany. The Church made a pact with Hitler; if we don’t bother you, you don’t bother us. However, near the end of the war Hitler turned tail even on the Catholic Church and executed many of their priest and anyone else. So, their little ass kissing game backfired on them.

          • RobertCHastings

            The Koran does not mention destroying Christianity which, believe it or not, still spreads its protective shield over your head. I would suggest that you read the Koran so that you could be more effective in your arguements. The Koran borrows heavily from the Old Testament, and shows nothing but great respect for Christ and His Mother, as well as claiming as their progenitor Abraham.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            AS with ALL Religions, the leaders of them pervert the true meaning of their holy scriptures, be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc., etc. Those are the people who are advocating the destruction of This country. Unfortunately, most of Islam is of the same belief because they like us are all lead like sheep.

            I’ve read some of the Koran as well as some other religious book on Islam. It’s all GOOD STUFF.

            Sorry, but talking isn’t getting no where with these people. Throwing money at it isn’t going no where either. It’s sort of like, you have an enemy (Islam). So, you Pay Him (Islam) to not give you (the US) a Black Eye.

            What you do, is if you see someone that is causing you harm (typical bully), you take a Baseball Bat and club the SOB to death. Same thing goes for Islam. They cause you harm, you wipe the SOBs out.

            End of Story. Problem Solved.

            BTW, this is exactly what Israel should be doing to Iran. Israel should have taken out Iran’s Reactors long ago. Peaceful Purposes?, my eye!

        • RobertCHastings

          Is this what we should have done with the Native Americans?

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            What WE did to the American Indian is not that from from what Hitler did to the Jews before and during WW2.

            We here in the US just used a different technique.

            We nearly wanted to kill every single American Indian there was using Small Pox laden Blankets given to the tribes by Christian ministers, priests, etc. If we didn’t kill them outright including women and children, we had them walk, similar to the Death March in the Phillipines during WW2, to their new reservations. Many died along the way. And, after that, many died of starvation and froze to death when they arrived.

            NO, it wasn’t right what we did to the American Indian. NO, it wasn’t right what Hitler did to the Jews. But, it is right to destroy people who’s only goal is to destroy the US in any way they can.

            The big differences between all these groups of people is that the Indians were defeated, defenseless. The Jews were pacifist.

            These Rag Heads aren’t defeated – long way from that.

          • RobertCHastings

            There is little value in demonizing and degrading people whom you seem to believe have nothing on their minds except the destruction of the United States. This is exactly what happened with the Nazi propaganda machine that resulted in the Holocaust. Goebbels painted a picture of the Jews in such colors that no one in Germany believed they were even human, thus the ease with which they were just grabbed off the streets and swept into places like Auschwitz, never to be heard from again. It is right under NO situation to destroy an entire population, especially when the group which you seem to hate so much is NOT as you paint it. If you are speaking of Muslims, there are millions of Muslims around the world who desire for their children pretty much what you do, a good,peaceful life with opportunities for prosperity and happiness. As with Christians, however, there is a subgroup who believe they are superior and who believe their way is the ONLY right way, and will use whatever means are at their disposal to PROVE they are right. To speak of Muslims or Arabs in the derogatory manner in which you choose demonstrates that you are already well down this road.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I believe you to a point.

            OK, IF the majority of them are good, let THEM weed out the rotten apples, not us.

            It is not our job. This is why we keep getting involved in other peoples problems. We keep sticking our noses in where it don’t belong.

          • RobertCHastings

            Yes, unfortunately, we do keep sticking our noses in. Unfortunately, we have injected ourselves so deeply into the Middle East that it will be vary difficult to extricate ourselves quickly without causing further harm. We must be in it for the long haul,and we MUST consider the needs of the people of the area, not so much our own national desires. We have been over there since before WWII, intimately involved in the development of oil resources (Standard Oil held one of the first licenses for development and drilling in the area). Following the War came The Cold War, in which we and the USSR divided the countries into some very strange and convoluted alliances. As you will recall, we even armed the Taliban to help in their fight to get the USSR out of Afghanistan, one of the final, desperate acts of the failing USSR. And, as the law-of-unintended-consequences would have it, we should have known that we would be fighting our former allies, only this time they were armed by Iran AND Russia. Just this little bit should help develop some insight into how convoluted our involvement is there, and how difficult it will be for us to put things back straight. Bush stated the did not intend to do any nation building in Iraq or Afghanistan, when that is precisely what we SHOULD have been doing, rebuilding the nations of the Middle East, instead of destroying them. We aided Sadam Hussein in his war against Iran, only to turn against him a mere 5 or 6 years later. We have since 1945 been Israel’s chief ally, frequently relying upon them to do our dirty work in the area. Presidents for the past fifty years or more have been on-again-off-again about our involvement in finding a solution to the Palestinian/Israeli issue. Yes, we should not have gotten involved in the first place; however, we are there, now, and much of the turmoil that is in the area is our responsibility, so we cannot just leave the area.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Your comment is right on the mark, all of it.

            But, we can no longer be the “nation-building” country as we once were. In actuality, I don’t think we ever were.

            Our nation-building endeavors all over the world has been for the most part utter failures. Our Gun Boat Diplomacy in Central America failed and caused a lot of hurt feeling and mistrust of us down there. In Asia, especially in the Philippine Islands, we failed. Africa is a no show.

            The only successes we had was in Japan and Europe. And, only because we, the Allies, destroyed nearly completely their infrastructures, which we basically built from the ground up totally new. But, here too, in Europe and Japan, they’ve adopted our Capitalistic/Banking Models. And, look what it’s done to them. They’ve become just as corrupt as we are.

            Specifically, WE the US, is the main cause of Communism in China. And, we have basically turned our backs on Taiwan. Yes, we give them military support. Giving China most favored trading status was the wrong thing to do.

            Even our own internal history should show these other countries that we can’t do what we say we can do. When all they have to do is turn on their own TVs and see our problems, they think, WHY should they trust us in our word? They think in all honesty; why trust us? Transplant our problems over there? Just give us Your Money. We don’t want your ideology. We don’t want YOU here. And, I don’t blame them either.

            I got to laugh too. Here we are, a country with such a rotten record, only 300 years old, basically children historically speaking, playing with adults, historically speaking, thousands of years old.

            We all need to be taken to the Woodshed and given a good Ass Whopping.

            When we solve our own internal problems (grow up), then I could see us becoming a nation building country. Then we have something of value to offer. Until then, we’re just blowing smoke and acting basically like misbehaving, self-serving BRATS on the world stage.

            Believe me, EVERYONE else knows it too.

            Yes, we’re stuck in it alright, all the way up to our Eyeballs and not only in the Middle East! WE got to get out of this mess. If we don’t, we’ll be like Russia – BROKE!

            If China don’t drive us broke first, eventually, our own stupidity will.

          • RobertCHastings

            Excellent post. I am not a fan of American Exceptionalism, either. We have miserably failed to become everything that we could have become, in spite of the Army’s recruiting campaign. I was terribly upset with George W when he gave China favored-nation trading status, especially considering all the crappy merchandise they keep shipping to us, and we keep buying. There are daily recalls on products with the “Made in China” tag, products that have already killed our children, and put lead into the brains of so many of them that we will probably have a mentally challenged next generation – it is literally frightening to see scans of brains with lead poisoning.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            This is getting a bit off-topic, but.

            Regardless whether China sends us a rough-cut diamond, or a fine finished diamond, it’s still Communist made, which WE created during WW2.

            They may certainly improve their product(s) quality as the Japanese did. It’ll probably take another 20 – 30 years before they are up to that standard. But, by that time, they will still be Communist and they will OWN US.

            I have first hand knowledge of their materials. Their Stainless is junk as well most of their imported steels. I am a Professional Machinist and will only work with US Made Steels.

            They have plans in the future, I think in 10 years, of placing a man on the moon and later colonizing it.

            This is another huge mistake the US is making, turning over all our heavy-lift capability to the Russians.

            Mexico makes most of their Pottery with Glazings that contain Lead. You can use it for cold foods that are not cooked in it and your ok. But, heat it up and the lead is released into the food that is cooked in it.

            We use Plastic Baggies. Cook with these and you will get poisoned eventually from the toxins that are released.

            Margarine is a popular substitute for Butter. It is one molecule away from being Plastic.

            Mentally Challenged? We ain’t seen nuttin yet. Just wait until babies are born where certain unmentionable male parts are where the nose would have been and your nose will probably be where the Naval used to be.

            We got way more serious problems than worrying about someone elses problems.

          • RobertCHastings

            BPA, the compound found in so many plastic items that is toxic, has been identified and most plastic products available today display “BPA free”, or their recyle emblem will have a number in the middle denoting whether the item is safe or not. As for the misplaced male pody parts, that occurred years ago, with thalidomide. Many of the issues you identify are becoming problems here because we do not have adequate product inspections, either at the site of origin or at entry into the USA. These inspections were greatly reduced during the Bush administration, to save money in order to cover the cost to the government of his tax cuts for the wealthy. Another issue of importance along the same line is the current backlog of paperwork for Veteran benefits, over half a million veterans are waiting for, not their benefits, but ACTION on their benefits as a result of cost-cutting during the Bush administration. These are just two issues the current administration has to deal with to rectify the mess this country was left with by the previous president.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You’re right.

            Also, the FDA’s funding for on-the-job meat inspectors is being cut like crazy too.

            All in the name of greater profit for the company at our expense as far as safety in what we eat.

            Our drinking water is becoming more contaminated by chemicals which city water sewage treatment plants can’t filter out. And, let’s not forget all the aquafiers are starting to be contaminated by medications which people throw out or filtering down out of landfills. Oh, I too remember the Thalidomide Babies.

            Ever hear of the Radium Girls? Google the term.

      • RobertCHastings

        Sounds sort of like the conundrum facing the South and their relationship with blacks. ‘Ultimately, both sides ….coexist on terms of equality and respect.” more than adequately describes what must occur in the American South if that region is to move forward. The Civil Rights Act and the Voter Rights Act of the mid 1960’s SHOULD have allowed greater advancement for blacks than has actually occurred in states like Alabama, Georgia, and Mississippiwhere, in spite of the rhetoric, all too many blacks are denied the opportunities to advance. This is exactly what is happening in Israel and the Occupied Territories, even though both the Jews and the Muslims (Palestinians) have the same ancestor in Abraham. The Koran borrows heavily from the Old Testament and honors Christ as a Prophet and His mother Mary. In both instances, old habits are hard to break.

        • JohnRNC

          Yes! That is a great point. And I would extend it to cover Native Americans in the rest of our country. Israel takes a page from our own history when they intentionally violate agreements concerning new settlements. “if you build it…it’s there to stay”, and the new boundary gets drawn to protect the illegal assets. That’s how we pushed so many tribes out of the Ohio Valley, Indiana & Michigan.

          Any “2 state solution” will probably end up looking like our “reservation system” where the tribes retain their identity as sovereign nations, but exist as islands within a larger nation. One of the differences between our arrangement with the tribes and Israel’s arrangement with the Palestinians is that they are not allowed to move freely in or across “Israeli territory”. They have to go around. A 13 mile trip can take an hour because an illegal settlement blocks the direct route. This makes them 2nd class citizens at best and won’t alleviate any of the tension between the two. When multiple races find themselves in the same place using the same roads, dependent on the same water and other resources, the only real solution is to set differences aside and figure out how to work and live together. Yes, I know that’s not going to happen…..

          • RobertCHastings

            Unfortunately, the Palestinians are already living, basically, on reservations. The West Bank and the Gaza Strip are both isolated (virtually quarantined) areas where the freedom of movement of the Palestinians is greatly restricted. Europe artificially created the booundaries currently in effect in the Middle Ease, and artificially created Israel with the Balfour Declaration. There was little or no consideration given to tribal allegiances or sectarian alliances. Kurds, who have been where they are now for centuries, were divided between Turkey and Iraq. Sunni and Shiite Muslims were divided among several different countries, with no consideration to maintaining long-term stability in the region. The Cold War did nothing but exacerbate the situation with The US and The USSR dividing the region for strategic purposes and to maximize their access to raw materials.

          • RobertCHastings

            Excellent point about the American Indians. And they, like the Palestinians, must form their own institutions to pass on their cultural heritage. In both instances, it is very similar to ethnic cleansing in slow motion. However, in the cases of both the Native Americans and blacks, these people are afforded the opportunity to make a living and to prosper. While it is doubtful that the issue of reparations will be raised regarding the African Americans, at least the Indians are finally getting reparations AND court cases are at least in the pipeline to restore or give compensation for illegally confiscated homelands. This is an issue the Israelis refuse to even consider, although it is more in the purview of the League of Nations (or, the United Nations). It is an issue that Yasser Arafat attempted to include in negotiations. It is a shame that in such an arbitrary fashion the Palestinians were removed fromthe lands which they had inhabited for hundreds of years with no option for compensation or for repatriation.

      • RobertCHastings

        Excellent suggestion. Obama has never shown any great love or respect for Netanyahu,and that relationship has been even more stressed with Netanyahu’s self-insertion into the last presidential race. However, with Israel’s own most recent election leaving Netanyahu clambering for a coalition, whatever concessions he makes to Obama may actually be genuine. The arbitrary divisions into nations in the Mideast began almost 100 years ago, with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the beginning of the end of the era of European colonialism. At that time, virtually no consideration was given to tribal or ethnic demographics, and groups that had been warring for generations were thrown into mandatory geo-political cooperation. Most recently, we have seen the conflict this generated in Iraq, where Sunni and Shia Muslims and Kurds were thrown together, and that is not a situation unique to the area. Even more recently, however, the US and the USSR did their own divvying up in the area during the Cold War, and the alliances formed during that era still ruffle feathers and influence alliances. At the end of World War II, the horrible effects of The Holocaust forced the world to come together and create a homeland for all the displaced Jews from Europe, Russia, and elsewhere. While the job could have been a little more carefully planned and executed (mild understatement), it did result in the state of Israel, and led to a story with which we are all familiar. The people who received the least consideration in this affair were the Palestinians, who were forced to leave lands they had lived on for generations, with no hope of ever returning to THEIR lands. This has led to the development of terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, and, more recently, al Qaeda, whose intentions are, basically, to force the foreigners to leave the Middle East. For the obvious reason of oil, this is not likely to happen in the forseeable future. However, if we are there for the long haul, it is incumbent upon us to do whatever we can to assure a peaceful and prosperous future for ALL peoples of the region.

    • CPAinNewYork

      Regarding your last paragraph: If Obama were to accept such a meaningless gesture by Israel, we would appear to be a total fool to the world. Obama doesn’t need anything from Israel. He won reelection in the face of hostility from Israel and the American Jewish community.

      This clearly shows that despite the noise they make in the United States, the American Jewish community has very little real influence on American policy outside of their corrupt practices of buying American leaders’ “loyalty” through campaign contributions and the infiltration of our government by neocon traitors like Wolfowitz, Feith and those running AIPAC.

      • labrown69

        You are full of sh*t. A majority of Jews supported Obama. You are an ignorant garden variety jew hater.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Typical response. The moment that someone disagrees with a Jewish position, the phony charge of anti Semitism comes out. Is that supposed to intimidate me?

          How do you know that a majority of Jews voted for Obama? The voting records aren’t kept by religion or ethnicity. On the other hand, the comments from AIPAC, Netanyahu and Israel show pretty convincingly the Jewish antipathy to Obama.

        • RobertCHastings

          Based upon what CPA said,how did you come up with that response? Your logic is way beyond me, and I am sure it eludes most others, as well.

      • RobertCHastings

        I think you would be greatly surprised at how much influence AIPAC has.

        • CPAinNewYork

          I wouldn’t be surprised at all. AIPAC is an unregistered PAC and gets away with violating the election laws because the Federal Election Commission is afraid of the financial power of the American Jewish community.

          If AIPAC were required to register as a PAC, as it should, contributions to it would not be tax deductible. Presently they are tax deductible.

    • labrown69

      Dominick “blame the Jews” Vila runs his ignorant face yet again – the Arabs rejected statehood over and over and over again long before the pre-67 borders. The Jews won the Sinai in war from Egypt, an area 3 times the size of Israel but they gave it back in exchange for peace and have honored that peace for 40 years without “expansion”. Your lies are despicable. Israel has tried to trade land for peace myriad times and have been rewarded with another intifada. To digress one might ask if millions of Arabs live in Israel why should Gaza and the West Bank be ethnically cleansed of Jews but I would not expect such a question to occur to a jerk like you. Europeans like your sorry ass have immigrated to the USA but we don’t have a pejorative name for them like “Zionists”, we just call them immigrants. Maybe they should have left your ancestors in Europe so we don’t have to expand into Mexico but of course your ancestors sided with Hitler so I should not be surprised. You sound like you are still a member of the Benito Mussolini fan club. Yea, why might the US want to destroy Iran’s nukes? It couldn’t be because we know that these guys are religious fanatics who don’t care if they die while killing others, could it? For a**holes like you,. it’s all about “the Jews”. You make Ferdinand the Bull look like a fighting machine. You are a pathetic Lotus eating whimpering simp, an antisemite in the tradition of your countrymen and a total jerk.

      • CPAinNewYork

        I had no idea that you were cursing at Mr. Vila too for daring to express an opinion that is not one hundred percent pro Israel or pro Jewish. I don’t want to waste too much time replying to your rant, but i’d like to take issue with your assertion about pejorative names being applied only to Jews.

        European and Asian immigrants were frequently labelled with pejorative titles. If you claim to not know that, then I feel justified in calling you a liar. Closer to home, how about the word “Goy” applied to Gentiles by Jews? Seems pejorative to me.

        • labrown69

          You missed the entire point. It was not about pejorative names. It is about inventing a unique word for those who immigrate to Israel alone. Anyone immigrating to any other country in the world is called an “immigrant” but for Jews going to their homeland alone, they are called Zionists. You also conveniently appear to wish to avoid the myriad lies that were posted by Mr. Vila about disputed land, the genesis of those disputes and the fact that almost 70% of American Jews voted for President Obama. Sorry if I confused you with facts. Let’s review, all ethnicities have endured pejorative names but NOT as a result of their immigration status. Why don’t you speak in your native tongue and give me a big Hee Hawwww Mr. CPA! I sure as hell would not let you anywhere near my finances with that intellectual acumen or lack thereof.

          • CPAinNewYork

            I didn’t miss any point. When you paint yourself into a corner, you try to weasel out of it by pretending that your opponent has missed the point. You’re intellectually dishonest and so full of hate that you are unable to respond logically to contrary arguments. Instead, you falsely accuse the other person of anti Semitism and launch a tirade of crude insults.

            I hope that you go to live in Israel, permanently and never return to the United States. If you do that, I promise to not call you a Zionist, although I must admit that I never, until you brought it up, heard the word Zionist referred to as pejorative. I don’t believe that it is. i think that you’re wrong.

          • labrown69

            Clearly you DID miss the point or you would not compare general racial epithets like Goy or Wop with terms with a specific meaning like Zionists.

          • CPAinNewYork

            You are so totally imbued with hate for anyone or anything that isn’t Jewish that you can’t argue effectively. Your vocabulary is limited to insults and your tactic is to try to intimidate by accusations of anti Semitism.
            I imagine that your mantra is “Anyone who isn’t Jewish is anti-Semitic.”

          • labrown69

            You CPAinNY are A LIAR. IN YOUR OWN WORDS COPIED AND PASTED, YOU POSTED: — ” I don’t understand the concern with support from “American Jewish voters.” Their opposition to Obama in the 2012 election proved to be futile”. The problem with your lies is that they DID NOT OPPOSE OBAMA, The American Jewish voters you say don’t matter heavily supported President Obama, probably more than CPAs. Secondly, you are some kind of American to suggest that because a group is a minority, their views and feelings should not be “of concern”. If you substitute the words, “Blacks, Hispanics, or Italians” for your unintelligent and dishonest remarks you would agree that they are racist and undemocratic but as it only regards “the Jews” you lie about, it must be OK? Let me reiterate, YOU ARE A SHAMELESS LIAR BECAUSE 70% OF AMERICAN JEWS SUPPORTED PRESIDENT OBAMA and the bad news for ***holes like you is, WE DO “MATTER”. Your entire comment was a lie.

          • CPAinNewYork

            I have this amusing mental image of you frothing at the mouth as you impotently type your hateful messages. I’ve probably given you more attention that you deserve, so I’ll refrain from answering you any more.

          • labrown69

            By the way, you HAVE YET to address a single salient point that I made. It was YOUR STATEMENT that Jews opposed Obama and I CAUGHT YOU IN A LIE so of course it’s much easier to refrain from answering me than to admit that I caught you lying. By the way, I have a mental image of you too as too. You are on all fours getting it doggy style from a female midget clad in black leather.

          • CPAinNewYork

            Goodbye numb nuts.

          • labrown69

            All the name calling in the world does not alter the fact that you claimed that Jews opposed Obama when in fact they heavily supported him. You are the poor man’s Joseph Goebbels! Very poor! AND YOUR LIE IS ABOVE IN BLACK AND WHITE PRINT FOR ALL WHO CARE TO SEE.

          • CPAinNewYork

            The Jews did oppose Obama and lost. He wouldn’t take Netanyahu’s abuse, stood up to him. Now Netanyahu is trying to make nice with Obama. Netanyahu, AIPAC, etc. all were angry at Obama because he refused to subordinate America’s interests to Israel’s desire to initiate offensive action against the Iranian nuclear power plant.

            Israel got away with lying about Iraq’s WMDs, but this time the American people weren’t buying the lies as they applied to Iran. We’re done with getting into costly wars on behalf of foreign countries.

          • labrown69

            That maybe true in your convoluted world but in the real world the Jews supported Obama overwhelmingly. If you think Iran is only a threat to “Jews” then you are a fool. It just so happens most of the world currently has sanctions upon them, sanctions I might add many banks are violating without consequence from the Obama administration. Israel had nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq. Yet another lie from the only gentile CPA in New York.

          • CPAinNewYork

            You’re wrong again. Israeli intelligence told us that Iraq did indeed have weapons of mass destruction. This was rather selfish of them, as they told that to our government to induce an invasion of Iraq. Israel wants the United States to maintain a strong physical presence in the Middle East.

            I’m against that, because I want us to remove all of our troops in the Middle East. I don’t believe that we need troops there, because all we should do in the Middle East is buy oil. It’s costing us billions of dollars and the lives of our troops to maintain a military force in the Middle East, for which we receive no benefit.

          • lana ward

            Iraq DID have WMDs–they are in Syria!!!!

          • lana ward

            Syrias’ WMDs are from Iraq. S Hussein sent them there before the US invaded Iraq. YOU ASSES ALL OWE GEORGE W BUSH AN APOLOGY. He has been vindicated!!! You owe Israel an apology too!!!!

          • CPAinNewYork

            It all sounds the same to me. Pejorative epithets are epithets and there’s very little to distinguish one from another.

          • labrown69

            Because you are a dunce. Most racial epithets are just empty slurs for ethnicity but the word Zionist alone, is meant to devalue and discredit the existence of a Jewish homeland and the right to immigrate there. There are other epithets for Jews, plenty of them and I’ll bet you know all of em but this is not just an empty derision of a Jew. The implication is that Jews have no business having a homeland in the Middle East. You can twiddle your thumbs and feign innocence all ya want … you can sit there like the three monkeys with your hands over your eyes, and ears but the answer is either you are too dumb to understand or don’t want to know … take your pick. Zionist is not a slur for Jews but rather a slur for the right to immigrate.

          • RobertCHastings

            The Zionist Movement is a reality, not something either Mr. Vila, or anyone else invented. It bears great significance to the creation of Israel as an independent JEWISH state. He is absolutely CORRECT about the influx of conservative Ashkenazi Jews into Israel, an occurrence which has made Israel over the past generation more conservative – hence the ease with which Benjamin Netanyahu has held power. Howerver, it lookslikethe tables are turning on him as he has been forced to form a coalition with a much more liberal group.

          • labrown69

            Robert – Yes, that is a reality but that is not what our conflict was about. What I said was 1) the first half a million Jews to settle Israel were Jews who had been expelled from Middle Eastern homelands where they had co-existed for centuries making them the first true refugees in the region and putting the lie to the myth that Israel was settled by Europeans 2) that those immigrating to any other country in the world whether they are moving from the United States back to Italy or France or England or any other homeland are merely called immigrants whereas Jews alone who immigrate are called Zionists. Lastly, our friend Mr. CPA from NY’s original comment was “why should anyone care what the Jews think because after all they tried to thwart Obama’s election and failed, the implication of course, being that they should be punished for this wrongdoing. The truth is that Jews turned out for Obama in large numbers. You could not fill the fingers of your left hand with Evangelical Christians who voted for Obama but he got a large majority of the Jewish vote so our friend was lying. After that he also failed to comprehend and respond to other of my points preferring to dredge up stereotypical rhetoric.

          • RobertCHastings

            Point well made.

          • labrown69

            And I thank you sir!

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            This country has done a real good job of Labeling all ethnic immigrant groups throughout our history; Bohunks, Greaseballs, Slanteyes, and quite a few more.

            We ain’t got nuttin to brag about.

        • labrown69

          By the way, you need to improve your reading comprehension. Nobody said pejorative names were applied only to Jews. What was said was that only Jewish immigration had it’s own name. I did not make you look stupid. You did that handily on your own.

      • RobertCHastings

        I have no idea where the fuck your ancestors emigrated from, but, whatever they at one time possessed in the way of intelligence was not passed on to you.

        • labrown69

          You are a slimy revisionist not much different from Ahmadinejad. There is an old expression that states “in order to train a dog you must first be smarter than the dog” and I’m afraid you don’t qualify Robert. Someone might best me but it aint gonna be you.

  • CPAinNewYork

    I like Mr. Dionne’s article, but I don’t understand the concern with support from “American Jewish voters.” Their opposition to Obama in the 2012 election proved to be futile, as well it should have. The Jews comprise a tiny 2 to 2.5 percent of the American population. A group that small shouldn’t be determining American policy, domestic or foreign.

    • labrown69

      The only accurate thing you said is “I don’t understand”. Obama carried 69% of the Jewish vote, probably a higher percentage than whatever miserable ethnicity you hail from. You are dumber than a hammer and are contributing to the next holocaust. You are not progressive. You are a stupid.

      • CPAinNewYork

        The usual automatic response. Criticize any Jewish position or express an opinion that Jews don’t like and one is labeled an anti Semite.

        I don’t think that you’re convincing anyone of the validity of your obnoxious accusations and aspersions on my ethnicity. Further, I don’t believe you when you assert that 69% of Jews voted for Obama. No one knows, except by exit interviews, the religious affiliation of any voter.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          Sorry but you’re wrong.

          Traditionally, the Jewish vote in the US has always gone to the Democratic Party. And, this also includes most minority groups as well, except for Cubans who are predominantly Republican.

          Most Jewish people would be insulted if you classified them as Republicans. I think the percentage point is higher than 69% as formerly quoted.

          • CPAinNewYork

            “I think” is the problem. There is little hard evidence as to what percentage of American Jews voted against Barack Obama. Based on comments that I heard and some of the things that I read, I think that the majority of American Jews voted against Obama because they feel that he didn’t appreciate their support in the 2008 election. and he appeared to be hostile to Israel.

            If you can, prove me wrong.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I can’t prove you right. But, you can’t prove me wrong either:)

            I’d like to see some hard facts about this issue.

            There’s an old saying goes: :There are just as many opinions as their are assholes”.

          • CPAinNewYork

            That’s an “old saying”? I never heard it. Evidently, we agree to disagree.

  • CPAinNewYork

    Larry Brown:

    Your logic is weak and so is your knowledge of history:

    There was an independent country called Palestine. It existed before the Exodus. The word “Palestine” means “Land of the Philistines.” When the Jews fled or were expelled from Egypt in what is referred to in the Old Testament as the Exodus, they invaded the land then called Palestine.

    Moses, assisted by his enforcer and military guy Joshua, systematically defeated and slaughtered the various gentile cities and towns in a lengthy process of ethnic cleansing. The most famous of these was Jericho, in which the Jews killed everybody in the city except Rahab the prostitute. Evidently, Rahab had a serious problem with her own people, because she showed the Jews how to get into the city without storming the walls.

    Her reward was that the victorious Jews spared her life.

    After the Romans clobbered Israel, there was no country called Israel until 1948, when the United States and Great Britain resurrected it. If your logic were valid, which it isn’t, there should be no independent State of Israel.
    So, the Jews did not occupy the land that is now called Israel “since time immemorial.” The Philistines were there before the Jews came post-Exodus. Perhaps Abraham was there before the Philistines, but these’s no record of who was there first. There is little documentary evidence. What does exist is the Old Testament. Because that was written by Jews, who had an ax to grind, it is highly suspect as an impartial historical source.

    • labrown69

      You are probably the only non-Jewish CPA in New York. No wonder you hate the Jews. Nobody is claiming ancient history as a reason for a Jewish state. The UN created the Jewish state and it is here to stay whether terrorist sympathizing liars like you like it or not.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Still using the anti Semite card as a way out of your logical bind I see. So long numb nuts. You’re good entertainment.

  • labrown69

    69% OF AMERICAN JEWS SUPPORTED PRESIDENT OBAMA IN THE RECENT ELECTION. ONLY 30% OF AMERICAN JEWS VOTED REPUBLICAN DESPITE WHAT SOME OF THE REVISIONISTS ON THIS PAGE WOULD LIKE YOU TO BELIEVE.

  • Yes, President Obama has the will to deliver peace in Palestine.Definitely,he will have
    the capacity if the Arabs get together.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      I doubt Obama could even broker an agreement between the Arabs and the Jews.

      The US and many other countries has been trying to get them to live at peace with each other since the Carter days, certainly way before him.

      The Jewish state will never be completely safe from terrorism or attack. They are, for all intentional purposes, surrounded by people who for the most part have nothing better to do than hate someone else.

      And, we are throwing money at a dead horse.

  • You can not have peace without commitment.