Where’s the surprise? Southern justice has always been about the mighty whites who stack the cards against anyone they consider their inferiors. The joke is they have had generations upon generations of this kind of white supremacy and now that there’s a president who is smarter and more intelligent than these okee doke good ole bois, they fight fist and fist to maintain their “power.”
Such a broad stroke with a short sighted pen. Missouri is a ‘border state’ neither Southern nor Northern. St Louis is far from a Southern city as is its Northern suburb of Ferguson. The people in Ferguson are acting more like Los Angeles CA.
Why not? What does it cost them? They know that the system is rigged against them. The only problem is that the oppressed still destroy their own neighborhoods. Maybe the next time they will choose to destroy the neighborhoods of their oppressors. Then we will see how long it takes for the National Guard to act when it is not on the poor side of town.
Take responsibility for what you do …https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpsQwl_19M4
And what does this have to do with an unjust legal system or police brutality? Why is it that criminals are allowed free reign while the police focus on legitimate protesters. When when the criminals take advantage of police inattention, blame the protesters.
Why is it okay for the DA who is against indicting a police officer in charge of presenting the case to the Grand Jury? These questions and others are never answered without protest. So stop looking to blame an entire race for the actions of a minority. We do not blame all White people for the many sex crimes that are mainly committed by Whites, particularly with children. Subject: Re: New comment posted on Cartoon: Southern Justice
Obviously, you’ve missed seeing some of those Confederate Stars and Bars Flags flying all over MO of late?
I don’t think it’s short sighted to say a state that continues to honor a traitor flag is not still southern confederate and …fully loyal to the Confederacy. What a city looks like on the surface has less to do with its “culture” than how its citizens behave in public.
I happen to loathe the sight of that hideous traitor flag. It is used openly for one and only one reason: To intimidate those they still hold responsible for the loss of all of those “glorious sons of the south” who died in the Civil War fighting ONLY for the rich plantation owners’ rights to hold auctions where they could buy and sell human beings.
I don’t accept phony excuses for bigotry even when its slathered in good ole good ole boi Stars and Bars glory and honor. If you die for the cause of rich plantation owners who pitch buying and selling human beings as “states’ rights,” you die for “ignernce.”
What are you smoking? Your rant is about 150 years too late. You need to visit our great State with its proud history of remaining with the Union during the War between the States. Open your eyes and ears to something other than the biased views of the elitist Northeastern media.
The few white supremest are the boogeyman used by the media to scare ultra liberals.
I don’t smoke, drink, swagger, drawl or play the southern hypocrite. Don’t bother to try and justify what I know is fact based on what I’ve seen in NC, GA and FL. You hicks do love to feast at the table of denial. Then, when someone else hits a nerve you, you can’t stand the pain of truth.
My views are based on facts I can prove in a court of law. Your “views” are biased to suit your need to validate your corrupt culture.
The white supremacists are boogeymen? You want to explain what the hell these fist pumping, shaven-headed asshats were doing protesting on the steps of the Capital then? That was in July 1988, if you have the quads to check out the GA media that proudly published a photo of these jerks.
So..now you think GA media is liberal? How much booze do you down in a half hour? How many skirts do you chase right under McWifie’s nose while she plays the long suffering, palms buttered southern belle?
I can prove those boogeymen are real…They make asses of themselves with their Neo-Nazi rallies, White Supremacist protests everyone but you seems to know about.
Members of Dipshits Inc. like you don’t dare admit that the rest of us can see with our own two eyes…YOU are a closet racist. You just like to pretend you aren’t because like all phonies, you talk big until you have to prove it in a court of law.
From your past post and this one apparently you are a veteran of the Civil Rights Movement. You are to be thanked and praised for your involvement.
As for all the White honkies in the Old South All you Northeastern Elitist can have them. You are two peas out of the same pod, both are so arrogant you think the rest of the people in the US are stupid. So why don’t you two stay in your pod and fight amongst yourselves. The rest of the nation does not need you!
Your fourth paragraph is worthy of a reply, only because I laughed so hard I cried.
Question 1 No
Q 2 don’t know. Quit that crap when I graduated from college, about 50 years ago. Who cares.
Q 3 The kicker thank you for the laughs. A marriage does not last 47 years if infidelity is part of the marriage. Even had I had an inkling to chase skirts I would not betrayed out marriage. Your characterization of the McWife as the long suffering, palms buttered southern belle is great, but not my McWife. The beautiful Irish Midwesterner I married is a hard driven Mother and Educator. When our last child (7th), 7th because before we married she told me her wish to have a large family I agreed marrying her, was 3 she thought it time to start Grad School. We both kept our day jobs, teaching for her and corporate for me. Off to Evening Grad School for her, cooking and laundry for me, I got the buttered palms. Not only a Masters but a Doctorate in Education.
The rest of you bigoted arrogant elitist drivel was a wast of time to read.
I know you think your “white” is the new “black” but all that street lingo you think is impressive only shows what a two-faced hypocrite you really are.
The very ancient ideas you hold old man are those of autocrats whose Mommies all waited on their little “men” hand and foot like the good handmaidens of you little “Lord Fauntleroys.” Then, your testicle grew to raisin size from peas they were and suddenly your mouths gaped wider than cow’s butts.
You are so full of the phony baloney that it’s amazing you don’t see in your posts what is plain to everyone else.
Men like you hold on to the same old, same old platitudes and gospels of male superiority because your wild oats, having been thoroughly sowed, now stare you in the face of your own mortality.
I am a progressive populist. If you don’t like that, it’s not yours to judge..so why should I care what an old, oiled autocrat thinks?
I have always been a progressive populist because I’m an American. Not a hard nosed ideological conservative who hides the realities of being covetous morons under the patina of some Ayn Rand “Me, Me, Me” agenda that does fit autocrats so well. After all, from the time Mommy played your handmaiden to the time you “convinced” your wife her life had to revolved around you you you, why wouldn’t Me Me Me fit?
Progressive populist, Elitist, Southern rube, Communist all same mindset. Only they know what is right, the rest of the world is wrong. Total narrow mindedness! Wake up and smell the roses, In America we have the freedom to think for our self.
Room for different thoughts. Nobody has the authority to tell us how to think. We, also, have the freedom express our opinion in public, and the freedom to disagree with the opinions of others. Oh,we have the freedom of name calling. You and the rest of those of your mindset like to use that as a cover for your inability to accept the fact that not everybody thinks like you.
I agree about there being lots of room for diverse opinions. So..please do explain why the Koch brothers are buying red states like they were on sale?
Truth always rises to the surface. The lies, corruption and constant deceptions of the so-called “majority” in the House and Senate are nothing more than a projection of years of GOP robotics coming out of the billionaire RNC’s back room.
If we all have voices, why then did red state politicians fight so hard to squash votes in their states?
Can anybody explain the Koch brothers? They or an enigma! Weren’t they the money behind the “non-partisan” Tea Party among other anti-democracy organizations. Describe the Koch brothers I can try — old rick elitist sob’s trying to who know they are right and everyone else is wrong. Sure Koch brothers would go away!
We all have a voice! The republicans just work hard to prevent all voices, except their own, from being heard.
Actually, I did a little research on the Koch brothers. They are and have been part of the TX Oil Cartel in the US. They literally spent more than $2 million to establish the Tea Party. But wait…it gets even better…there are 2 other major groups that were funded by 7 TX billionaires, one of whom sat on the TX Federal Reserve board and had ultimate control of the part of TX federal funding received from the rest of the states. That began the “Americans for Prosperity” a right wing group that has never known poverty, much less hardship or struggle as Main Street Americans do.
Where the Tea Party’s initiative was to take over government, piece by piece, the AFP’s duty was to ram rod legislation via lobbying that would in a heartbeat sink most Middle Class Americans into the gravest depths of poverty. All while they Trickle Up our incomes into their offshore, tax free havens with amounts now reaching $47 trillion untaxed dollars.
Where the Tea Party is a throwback to the Plantation Era before the Civil War ended free slave labor, the AFP is a return to anti-union, anti-progress, Company Store mentalities. What the AFP seeks to do is to enrich the already too rich by retrieving as much of the paychecks we are entitled to by law for the labors we provide and force spending in their company stores. In effect, they don’t lose a single dime. We do.
good olde Southern Justice you say … remember the store owner who was choked out by the perp Michael Brownwhen Brown stole the cigars? What was his ‘nationality’? Well his store was looted during the riot, oops, I mean protest …
Remember the store owner who said he never called the police as was reported? I take it you are a racist.
‘we’ now know that he did call the police, so much for rumors. And that is his right. He was robbed and choked as seen in the video, now his store is looted. I do not know his nationality, but he does not look ‘Southern’, so here you have black on (whatever) crime. Yet here is the cartoon, should we blame him for wanting justice?
You kluxers are a bunch of hate mongers, murderers and lying racists. Oh, and terrorists. I saw the videos and it shows a person’s back and doesn’t show any altercation or smokes. I will no longer respond to your posts as kluxers are terrorists. My final thought is: If your complexion is the only thing that makes you feel superior (It isn’t an accomplishment) then you must be worthless to society.
Is the cost of a pack of cigarillos worth a human life in your book?
Micheal Brown decided on the cost. They could have been worth a ticket, misdemeanor, felony assault, a whole series of violations. Striking a uniformed officer while preforming his duties as set forth by the criminal laws?? Brown may not have known how high the cost he was going to be but he went for it.
He was not “choked out”, but pushed out of the way. Then again, it makes little difference most of time because no matter what happened to him afterwards he will always be portrayed as “getting what he deserved” simply because of his skin color.
As usual you Northeastern elitist assume residents of the great flyover are inferior. Back off until you have the facts, not the biased fictional story presented by the liberal media do not judge.
A young black thug attacked a white cop, attempted to take the cop’s gun. He messed with the wrong cop and got what he deserved. Any policeman, even elitist northeastern police would have reacted the same way.
As you might not want to admit as a red state Confederate supporter, the northern elitists founded this country. I won’t “back off.” Now or ever. I am quite fed up with Confederate liars, scoundrels and covetous morons like you who make up your “facts” as you go along.
One of those Ferguson witnesses posted a racial slur in her MO paper. Now, she hides her butt behind anonymity as you all do when you need those KKK cone hats and sheets to hide under.
That white cop has been in several TV interviews and has yet to tell his “story” the same way more than once.
Southern men are either, skirt chasing boozers or Bible Thumpers facing mortality who suddenly “get religion” when they realize they are one breath away from facing themselves for the first times in their lives.
Eleanore, most of your post are well thought out and rational. Occasionally, as this time you go off on a tangent posting irrational random thoughts.
So some irrational female posted a racial slur. Did you see the video Michael Brown’s stepfather on the hood of a car yelling, “Burn the M@#$er F%^&ed bitch down!”, over and over. Both were stupid acts neither representative of the maroity population
To make a public statement that an unarmed teenager who was shot and killed “got what he deserved” exposes you for the racist that you are. Decent and responsible people don’t believe that teenagers deserve death — no matter the unproven accusations of jaywalking and shoplifting.
People like you are exactly the reason that crimes and violence are so prevalent in our society. All indications are that Michael Brown was a better and more desirable person than you. It will be a great day when the world is finally rid of the last drooling racist like you, and I for one can’t wait.
Do you ever reply without name calling?
Michael Brown may have a great young man. He made a silly immature mistake. He decided to have escalate a confrontation into a physical confrontation with a man carrying lethal weapons. Unfortunately his mistake cost him his life. yes he got what he deserved, or asked for.
Was Michael Brown a better person than I? I hope so! The world would be a better place if he and all young people were better than I.
Your post prove you, my friend, are not a better person than either Michael Brown or I.
Perhaps Michael Brown was a better person than I am. For you it seems a different story.
I don’t advocate death for other people, and I don’t pretend that I’m capable of judging who ‘deserves’ death and who doesn’t. As far as I’m concerned that’s an authority that no man or woman possesses.
You, on the other hand, believe that you are qualified to judge whether Michael Brown ‘deserved’ death, and I can assure you that you don’t have either the ability or the authority except in your own mind.
In reality you have no idea what actually happened, and neither do I. I don’t believe that anyone who had several bullet wounds would charge the same armed officer who already proved themselves willing to shoot by actually doing just that. There’s a chance I’m wrong, of course, but I doubt it.
But here’s the difference between you and me: I advocate that officer Wilson be held accountable according to the law, with every opportunity to defend his actions and win an acquittal if the case warrants. You obviously feel qualified to decide that Brown deserved death without the benefit of defending himself against accusations of very minor crimes, and you believe somehow that you have the capability to determine Brown’s guilt or innocence all by yourself.
You don’t have any such capability or authority, and it’s people like you who believe that they do who don’t hesitate to put their flawed and mistaken beliefs into action against the rights and wishes of other people. This type of mistaken belief is at the root of every crime ever committed, and is the reason we have laws in the first place.
whodatboob, your kkk induced bias is clearly showing. The whole process is tainted here. An indictment is the prosecutor’s show, the chance for the prosecution to make their case that a trial should take place. The indictment is not the place for exculpatory evidence that will exonerate the defendant. That is the defense attorney’s job, which he will normally do in trial court. The indictment was obviously flawed thru and thru, with defense evidence everywhere in plain sight, as if the prosecutor was doing the defense attorney’s job for him.
The only conclusion is that the system, in this case at least, is rigged in favor of the cops involved.
Whatever the facts may be, the process was severely skewed, justice was not served. A trial now may never take place, and an honest prosecutor will never have the chance to make a case.
The problem is that this is not an isolated incident. This kind of thing has been endemic in the south for hundreds of years. That is what is motivating the angry protests, even if most of those involved are not sophisticated enough to express these ideas using the legalese I’ve just used. Those who can express these ideas have not had the chance to do so.
Perhaps that will change soon.
So you are unhappy with the lack of indictment in Ferguson. What does that have to do with Aug. 9 killing of Michael Brown?
whodat, it has everything to do with it. Ever hear of the phrase due process of law? In case you haven’t, it’s a bedrock principle of our jurisprudence. It’s what has set us apart from the rest of the world for most of our existence, and makes where our culture is dominant a place worth living in, and aspired to by so many outside our borders.
Without due process, we live in a dictatorship, something we fought a revolution about a few hundred years ago, and a civil war not too long after that. The jurisprudential result of those struggles are the US Constitution and several of its amendments.
I really don’t care where the evidence leads, as long as it has a chance to go where it will without undue interference by overly protective racially prejudiced interests. This is the issue. It has been the issue for much too long in this country, and it’s tearing us apart still.
You will weep bitter tears if you ever end up without the protections of due process. It is hypocritical in the extreme to claim due process for yourself, but not for others.
It doesn’t work when so many say “I’ve got mine, pull up the rope!” At some point such a monstrosity will turn around and bite you, very, very hard.
I agree with you but that is not the current topic of discussion at present. That is a different discussion,
No, that’s exactly the topic of discussion. You don’t know what actually happened between Wilson and Brown any more than I do, but you somehow believe that you can judge who deserves death and who doesn’t.
There are laws against shooting people to death, even for police officers. In this case there was enough probable cause to warrant a prosecution, and the only reason that Wilson wasn’t arrested on the spot is because another person thought they had the same mistaken authority that you do, and they circumvented law and standard procedures to avoid doing things the way the law dictates. This was no normal grand jury proceeding, and was the exact opposite of what these proceedings are supposed to be. I don’t know that racism was involved, but then neither do you. But I can certainly understand how this type of event, repeated over and over, would leave the Ferguson community angry and distrustful.
You can believe what you want. You get what you work for not what you want. The nonviolent protester, not the rioters, are currently working on public awareness.
It’s not just the protesters — there are other ways to correct injustice. As for the violence that has occurred, McCullough couldn’t have planned it any better.
As I stated, “you get what you work for”. All I read is a lot of pissing and moaning about how messed up things were handled by McCullough, Governor Jay Nixon etc. That is water under the bridge and can not be changed. It’s time to move on. use you energy to changes you can do something about. Get people politically active, get voters register and to the poles. Do something constructive.
Yes, it can be changed. McCullough needs to be removed from office. Wilson can still be charged, since a grand jury decision not to indict is not the same as an acquittal — the farthest thing from it in this case. The Ferguson police department should be dissolved with it’s duties transferred to St. Louis County. All of these things can and should happen, and the US Department of Justice has yet to weigh in on it’s own investigation.
Voting for change is one thing, and a necessary approach to long term solutions, but when specific actions are taken that violate the public trust corrective measures can and should be taken to address the misconduct. Violations of federal law should be zealously prosecuted by the DOJ, and any violations of state and local law should be turned over to a special prosecutor. Although Governor Nixon appears disinclined to take any responsibility, the public can absolutely change that attitude if they are determined — and I hope they are.
This may not be McCullough’s best performance could be his worst, does not qualify as reason to disqualify. Those who are unhappy with him need to get all the non voting blacks to the poles next time he is up for reelection and vote him out of office.
St. Louis County has 96 fiefdoms (cities, villages, towns) most with it’s own police department. Most will not relinquish control. Some small communities have disbanded their police department and contracted with St. Louis County for police protection. I agree the County should have one Police Department.
Governor Jay Nixon is term limited out of office. He can not run for Governor in the next election. His political future as looked dim for some time, He just stumbles and bumbles along doing what he wants.
It isn’t just black people who should be concerned about McCullough’s grand jury turned state-sponsored-defense. But making such a statement contradicts the claims that this isn’t a racial issue and gives it that old, familiar wink and nod racial undertone.
I personally don’t see the fact that the grand jury was rigged for defense of the officer as a strictly racial issue, but I can understand why people would — including Ferguson residents. I see it as an outsider, without the benefit of years of previous incidents to consider. To me it looks more like official misconduct in order to protect other officials.
Perhaps white people in Ferguson ‘get’ that wink and nod behavior and understand that it won’t be applied to them. I don’t know. But they should be just as concerned about official misconduct if only for the reason that it guarantees that scenarios like this will repeat themselves in the future because of it. Telling Ferguson residents how they should and should not react is preaching to the choir. When the system is broken as it obviously is in Ferguson all bets are off, and it’s in everybody’s interest to fix it as quickly as possible.
No bob, this is the heart of the discussion. No one can logically deny the racially tinged bias of the southern red state justice system, such as it is. Missouri, especially in its lily white south, is very much a part of the problem. The system in STL is heavily tainted by such bias, as this case so obviously demonstrates.
Such long term bias is like a disease, and an infection of such magnitude will have disastrous consequences at some point.
Remember the Boston massacre? It helped touch off the powder keg that became the American Revolution.
But the fact is, those British soldiers were innocent. They were found innocent in a colonial court of law, where they were ably defended by the future 2nd US President John Adams, who bravely sacrificed his law practice to defend those guys.
But their guilt or innocence didn’t matter. The long list of abuses, as so well described in our Declaration of Independence, had our predecessors sitting on a powder keg just ready to go off at the slightest touch. Right or wrong, guilt or innocence, rational actions of self defense, whatever, had no bearing on the ultimate consequences and impending bloody revolution.
There is a lesson to be learned in all this. We had best take heed.
This is what you want the issue to be. The issue is who screwed up the dead big man who physically attacked a police officer or the officer. My bet would be the person dumb enough to attack an armed officer is the one who screwed. The rest of the issues are sour grapes raised by those upset by the GJ’s no indictment.
Move on, use your energy in an effort to obtain the results next time.
whodat, you are jumping to conclusions without basis in fact. The facts have yet to be established to any degree of certainty, and your premature conclusions based on your own suppositions reveal more about you than they do about the case at hand.
My own desires are not important here, since I have no part in either the actions in dispute or the proceedings that have followed. I really don’t care where the evidence leads, only that the evidence be allowed to lead to a fully justifiable conclusion either way that will stand the test of due process. To do otherwise is un-American at best, arbitrary and authoritarian in the middle and downright evil at the worst. These are your choices, stand where you will, but you don’t look very noble in any of them.
Obviously you have no clue as to what happened Aug. 9th or the after except what you filter through your ultra news media and hearsay. Nor are you a resident of St. Louis. Also obvious is that you do not understand the purpose of a Grand Jury. The GJ is where a Prosecutor brings all available evidence to be reviewed in order to if the evidence is enough to convict in a court trail. Missouri law requires GJ proceedings be sealed and kept secret, except in cases of a decision of the GJ to not indited. Only then if requested can the proceedings opened and made public. However, for their protection, names of jury members and witness are not made public. The 12 member GJ agreed that evidence was not strong enough support to get a conviction.
No the facts have been established and a Grand Jury determined their is not enough evidence to get a conviction. All facts are available from St. Louis County Courts.
In the future get the facts before you accuse a person of jumping to conclusions without the facts.
Yes, the only issue is did Michael make a fatal error.
My conclusion is he did!
Side issue: Did Wilson use excessive force. Do not know. GP conclusion not enough evidence to convict.
whatdatboob, whoopy, you have accessed a legal source for some definitions of some sort and maybe even talked with someone much more knowledgable than your self, a very easy task to be sure, about the law. Goody for you.
But your emotionally charged responses make it look as if you have just paid up your lifetime membership in the KKK. Please tell me it isn’t so.
Personally, I hope the officer is indeed not guilty of murder, and that he really was just doing his job. But I am not convinced.
And yes, I worked in STL for over 20 years within a mile or so of the events in question. I have friends and family there still.
I hope I’m wrong, but the impression I’m getting from this whole thing is that the GJ process, as you call it, went something like this.
Prosecutor: I asked the defendant if he was guilty, and he said no. What else am I supposed to do? Not take his word for it? That would be inconvenient.
Such a prosecutor should be relieved of his duties immediately.
This is the impression that a lot of the good folks in that part of STL have of the whole affair. Whether they are right or wrong, that is what they think.
I suspect that if someone in your own family had been murdered and the prosecution acted in the way I just described, you might be just a little perturbed. It would be so much worse if every generation of your family within living memory had been treated the same way. I’m sure your disturbance would then most likely be intensified.
Try not to deny that you have long ago reached a conclusion. That just makes you a liar, and you really don’t need to go there.
The events in question were tragic enough. We don’t need to multiply the tragic effects by the use of a corrupted process.
Those in charge of the system have a whole lot of explaining to do. What has come out so far does not ring true enough for a lot of people. This can lead to disastrous consequences in the not too distant future.
For a possibly analogous case, look no further than OJ Simpson.
The prosecution committed legal malpractice at every turn. The jury had way too much reasonable doubt as a result, and they had to let him go. Justice was not served, to say the least.
But the later civil cases were able to see to it that OJ paid out a lot of his money for his actions. I am happy to say the his lawyers got a healthy cut of the action.
There will certainly be civil cases arising out of this event. Let’s see what an aggressive plaintiff’s attorney can make of all this.
The young officer in question is judgement proof. He has no real money and his insurance will be minimal.
But not the city of St Louis. Your city tax money might be in for a bit of depletion.
As I said before, I really don’t care what the result is, I just want to see uncorrupted due process of law.
More power to you if you are proven to be right in the end. But the basis of your present conclusions doesn’t make you look so good.
Your over emotional rambling reply leads to the question. Are you gay? Do you have trouble dealing with your gay tendencies?
Just the impression you give!
whodatboobs, you still looking for a new boyfriend? You are so concerned with gayness, you must be one of those log cabin fools. Kind of goes along with teabagging, not that I’m saying it’s a bad thing, mind you.
Smile, good comeback!
Good luck pulling your head out of the place where the son doesn’t shine!
whodatboobs, where the son doesn’t shine you say? You write as if the 3 most difficult years of your life was second grade, and you quit school after that.
So which son are we talking about. Son of Sam, son of a bitch, son of god almighty damn?
Spell check still can’t fix stupid. If it ever does, you need to invest in it immediately.
Just seeing if you were bright enough to catch it. Dummy both spellings would be accepted by spell check.
whodatboobs, you still don’t get it. You need to get a second brain cell so you can finally have a lonely little synapse. Your reading skills are hardly grade school level, and your infantile comprehension level doesn’t even allow your isolated single brain cell to realize when someone agrees with you. You are such a moron.
So forget I ever agreed with your position. Easy enough, you never got it anyway.
You are a classic goober, mentally distressed, bigoted, with so much to be modest about. Get your 400 lbs woman to clean you up and put you away for the evening.
Sorry you are incapable of rational thinking!
Right, flabbyboobs, you just keep on thinking that way.
While you’re at it, try consulting a dictionary so as to learn the meanings of some of the vocabulary you’ve been liberally tossing around. You sound a lot like the stupid little Italian pirate in The Princess Bride.
For instance, when you accuse me of bigotry because I hate the likes of you, it shows you haven’t the faintest idea of what bigotry means. I know you won’t understand this, I’m casting pearls before a swine, but it’s fun anyway.
Bigotry involves an irrational hatred for a class of people based on something utterly irrelevant, like race or religious preference. I have no idea what you look like, nor do I have any interest in your spiritual inclinations, though you give reason to suspect that you are a lily white satanist.
Hating you doesn’t mean that I hate a particular class of people. It means only that you have no class whatsoever, and you deserve to be reviled by all and sundry.
Please keep in touch. I love to publicly bitch slap you like this.
Oh yes, and I’m sure you meant to use a Roman poet instead of the really difficult term ‘catalyst’. If you goobers spent half the time reading that you do trying to hump your sisters and other farm animals we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
You are a meaningless as sleepvark!
A grand jury proceeding was never designed to be used in the way that it was in this case. The purpose of a grand jury is to determine probable cause, and it is better suited to public corruption charges or other scenarios where secrecy is important for obvious reasons.
Using a grand jury as a de facto state-sponsored defense is a corruption of the system. A grand jury is a prosecution tool, and the decision of the grand jury does not determine guilt or innocence. Because the prosecutor runs the show the way he sees fit, if he is not really trying to obtain an indictment he won’t. Doing so is prosecutorial misconduct.
The decision not to indict in this case means little. There is no double jeopardy here, so Wilson could still be charged. In this case the prosecutor cynically misused the process in an attempt to bypass justice. This prosecutor should be removed from office at the very least because he subverted the system and thwarted justice in this case.
Still unable to accept that twelve people with the authority to determine probable cause did not rule how you wanted. They did not rule Wilson is innocent. They ruled that there is not enough evidence to convict.
Misuse of the system would have withheld evidence supporting Wilson’s case so as to get an indictment, gone to trial have the evidence supporting Wilson presented in court and get an acquittal.
As it is all the evidence is available, unedited by media spin doctors, to the public for your reading pleasure. Oh, I forgot some people are unable to formulate a conclusion by reading the facts. Depending on their leanings only a liberal or conservative can formulate the proper opinion.
Who needs media spin when the prosecutor did everything possible himself to spin the evidence in favor if Wilson?
The grand jury doesn’t make rulings. They declined to indict, which is not an acquittal and is not a ruling on whether the evidence is “enough to convict”. Convictions aren’t any part of a grand jury, and their decision goes no farther than the grand jury proceeding itself. An indictment is the only product of a grand jury, and the absence of one doesn’t mean anything. Wilson can still be charged and tried, and if there was an honest prosecutor he could even convene a new grand jury.
The prosecutor misused the system, and it’s a simple case of misconduct. Allowing the accused four hours to present his defense without even so much as a rudimentary cross-examination is unheard of. Witnesses whose testimony challenged Wilson’s account, on the other hand, were grilled intensely. This was a kangaroo court — no mistake about it.
Because it makes bigots like you happy when justice is perverted, change is necessary and inevitable. In my opinion, prosecutors who subvert the system should by tried and jailed themselves. But the story isn’t over, and like every other issue that has made bigots and racists happy over the years it will come to an end.
Think of change as the slow noose around the neck of bigots everywhere. It may take a long time for it to draw tight, but it WILL draw tight. Have a pleasant time enjoying the bigoted subversion of justice while you can, because that noose IS closing — you can count on it.
Apparently you need liberal spin doctors. All you are capable of doing well is parroting the opinions liberal spin doctors feed you.
Oh, ya! you are also good at name calling. A sign of a person incapable of original thoughts.
That’s fine, you can attempt to insult me all you want. The days of bigots is coming to an end, so just be mindful of that slowly closing noose — I’ll be listening for that final pitiful squeal.
You should see my post to see why you’re over invested in one single aspect of this complicated human tragedy. You are too simple minded like almost everybody else on these forums. The simpleminded among us are our worst enemies!
Read your post. You presented the complaints of the African-American community well. Those are issues that need to be addressed ASAP. Michael Brown’s death serves as a Catullus to bring the issues to a head.
Here is the thing the Grand Jury decision had little or nothing to do with the rioting and looting. That was to well orchestrated not to have planned. Sure hurt the community and the cause.
Bitching and moaning about no indictment is meaningless. It can not be reversed. That is the current issue.
Think ahead what is to be done if the Justice Department finds no Civil Rights violation. It can happen. Whitey can not be blamed for that.
In grade school we learned to obtain all the information available, analyze the information and develop your conclusion. This method of formulating an opinion has been reinforced through the rest of my education. Analytical thinking does not guarantee every one will come to the same conclusion but all should be able to backup their conclusion.
Simple minded people are those who allow spin doctors (other people) do the thinking and hand them an opinion to parrot.
Oh, but the grand jury’s action can easily be reversed. Wilson can still be charged, and my bet is that he will be.
I’m not sure what a ‘catullus’ is, unless you believe that Roman poetry has some bearing on this case. Perhaps you meant ‘catalyst’. Either way it doesn’t speak well about your education — which you seem to believe has served you well in supporting bigoted beliefs.
Looting and violence will happen when a populace becomes outraged to the point that they lose all respect for the system. This is, of course, exactly what you advocate even though you claim otherwise, and the prosecutor in this case sure timed his outlandish announcement to virtually guarantee those results.
You are a bigoted goober. Just remember that noose out there drawing ever tighter. That’s your future.
The Grand Jury’s decision con not be reversed. It stands forever. If additional evidence is uncovered a new Grand Jury can be convened to review the case. If new Jury finds there is enough evidence to convict an indictment would be presented.
If by bigoted goober you mean a person who obtains, verifies and analyzes facts available before formulating an opinion. I am one.
If by bigoted goober you mean a person who formulates his/her opinion based on hearsay and spin doctors opinion without verifiable facts. I am not one but you are.
Enjoy your delusional world.
The grand jury decision has no permanent effect at all. If the prosecutor wanted to do so, he could convene another grand jury on the same issue before the first grand jury even exited the building. Also, he doesn’t even need to convene another grand jury. He/she could simply charge Wilson and present the evidence to a judge during the arraignment. You appear to know nothing about the law, so you may as well stick your bigoted tongue back between your drooling, racist lips.
You are a bigoted goober. Everyone knows what that means — no explanations required. You can’t even spell for God’s sake — how are you going to tell people about what the law means? You can’t, so go back in your trailer and investigate a bar of soap for once.
You continue to repeat the same BS drivel. Due to your lack of intelligence all you are able to bitch about is typos you are a dim witted sob.
No, if new evidence shows up the DA can indict without the Grand Jury. He does that when he is sure of the evidence and he is not looking to dodge the case.
Is that your problem? Are you simple minded? You have not addressed the fact that the prosecutor did not do his job. He acted as the defense attorney.
In a normal Grand Jury hearing the prosecutor tries to get an indictment. With an indictment the trial establishes innocence or guilt. You obviously have not been paying attention.
Unless things are undeniable, police officers rarely get convicted of anything. DA’s most often refuse to indict so they recluse themselves. That was not done this time which looks fishy.
And that is the issue, not lawless people taking advantage of a crippled police force unable to protect its citizens. Please respond.
Not quite. To get an indictment is easy. A Prosecutor only show the Grand Jury evidence the has that supports conviction. Hoping the defense lawyer is not competent and fails to present all evidence in favor of an innocent verdict.
If a Prosecutor brings a case to the GJ seeking an indictment with probable conviction all evidence that supports and opposes conviction. The two Prosecutors did their job, the Grand Jury decided the evidence did not support a conviction. Thousand of pages of Grand Jury proceedings made public seems to support their conclusion.
We have the right to disagree with out come, and have an opinion on what should have happen. But the system worked.
Wish I could give you two votes!!
sleepvark does not think only parrots others. Must be a product of the inferior public schools liberals complain about.
whodatbob, welcome to the soiree. 1st, they will call you names; 2nd, they will call you more names; 3rd they will call you mo names. I used the word ‘mo’ to help them think I all is ignorant, it helps their low self esteem. They scream you are a ‘racist’ and ‘kkk’ (actually KKK) trying as they might to end the argument, but don’t realize they are the ones to bring it up, must be on their own racist minds.
The only people who have issues with other people calling them racists are, well, racists. Nobody else has that problem. If the shoe fits, wear it.
Please notice I did/do not have a problem being called a racist, such as yourself. Just funny how people bring up the name calling to enhance their own soggy bottom argument.
That’s good, because it means you recognize yourself. Calling you a racist doesn’t enhance anyone’s argument, silly — it’s just a statement of fact.
As you have failed to recognize yourself. In denial?
You know, it’s funny: I don’t really have a problem being called a racist wherever I go. Any idea why?
Hay! Thanks for the post. Glade to be back in the soiree. Since last of August either I or my email have down for the count.
Could you repeat that in English, please? I’m not very good at speaking goober. “Either I or my email have down”? My God, that’s awful. What were you saying about your education?
Kurt…this is horrible… awful and those guys are monsters not vicitms…there…satisfied!
I generally dislike Danziger cartoons. This is another of them.
To me, it’s not clear enough what is going on.
That’s my chief gripe with most Danziger panels.
HE understands what’s going on in the image…but doesn’t seem to care if the rest of us do.
you are absolutely correct … it almost appears ‘lady’ liberty may be questioning her own actions of tilting the scales. Could it be that he is a master of the cartoon with many meanings and each person brings their ‘own baggage’ to the interpretation?
There are so many layers to this human tragedy that it can be examined on any one layer to satisfy one component and examined on a different layer to satisfy a different component.
I think beyond the obvious depictions of injustice and excess the deeper analysis just can’t be processed in this forum
To properly bracket racism is ‘the” most difficult task to perform given the individuals involved against the background of our history of race relations.
For example: It is clear that the Grand Jury was “indeed” a travesty of justice as is so accurately illustrated by this artistic rendition.
The illustration–however, represents one vital layer among many others
The other layers attach to poverty, parenting, responsibility, respect, individual character, community, mental health, drug abuse, hope, fairness, and a sense of belonging.
Poor communities like Michael Brown’s are a consequence of racism and government policy (there are plenty examples from those that support income inequality, lack of healthcare, inferior education, inadequate community services and so on). The lack of good enough parenting is a consequence of perverse elements in the relations between women and men of color and the pressures they are under in world community that values them little. Their children come up with too little consistency so they learn to push the limits of authority; first with their parents, then their teachers and from there with all forms of authority. It’s a well known fact that people who own property value their community. The legacy poverty of African Americans conditions their feelings about a community they often feel like they don’t belong to so it become easy to rob the store keeper and burn businesses. The economic status of Blacks and Hispanics involves a constant struggle against hopelessness and a their longing for fairness often seems far out of reach and this last point I believe the artist so aptly depicts.