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Sunday, August 20, 2017

Small wonder that President Barack Obama is enjoying his highest approval rating — now at 51 percent, according to a Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll — since his second inaugural. Voters need only take a cursory survey of the shenanigans on the campaign trail to conclude that the man occupying the Oval Office deserves respect, admiration and appreciation.

But it isn’t just in comparison to the current crop of candidates that Obama’s political and intellectual gifts are clear. Judged against the panorama of American presidents, Obama will come out in the topmost tier — a leader with courage, tenacity, wisdom, character, even glimmers of brilliance.

He came into office in 2009 riding a wave of giddy enthusiasm about his election as the nation’s first black president. But that enthusiasm was soon overwhelmed by an equally potent backlash fueled by resentment, racism and fear of the demographic change — the challenge to white privilege — that his election represented. That backlash has supplied formidable opposition to every single initiative Obama has proposed, a force of resistance, reaction and repression that has been willing to damage the country to jeopardize his presidency.

Historians will reckon with that force when they judge Obama’s accomplishments. Despite resistance, he dealt ably with the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, a financial near-collapse that forced hundreds of thousands of people into foreclosure, that bankrupted businesses and individuals alike, that propelled unemployment into the double digits. While wages are still stagnant (they’ve been stagnating for decades), unemployment is now down to 5 percent, near a historic low.

Perhaps Obama’s greatest domestic accomplishment was pushing through the Affordable Care Act, the biggest expansion of health care since Medicare was passed. Democrats have been attempting to expand access to doctors and hospitals since the era of Franklin Roosevelt; Bill and Hillary Clinton tried to push through an expansion in the 1990s but failed. While Obamacare is hardly perfect, it has given millions of Americans access to health care and aided economic security.

As for foreign policy, Obama is the president who finally brought down Osama bin Laden, the terrorist who was the architect of the 9/11 atrocities. He’s also employed a policy of drone strikes that has alienated some on the left and caused no small amount of heartburn in foreign capitals. But he doesn’t shy away from making tough calls.

Still, Obama’s decision-making on national security and foreign policy has met more criticism from moderate thinkers and centrist pundits than any other element of his presidency. He is out of step with the hawkish “Washington consensus,” as The Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg recently reported. The president thinks before he speaks. He appreciates nuance. He isn’t high on saber-rattling. He doesn’t believe the might of the U.S. armed forces, considerable though it may be, can solve every problem.

Count me among those who believe a break from the “Washington consensus,” which approved of the invasion of Iraq, is a very good thing.

Obama snubbed that groupthink to negotiate a historic deal with Iran, a bold bet to try to halt their efforts to produce nuclear weapons. It will be years, if not decades, before foreign policy experts can assess its consequences, but the president was wise to try. And he got it done over the outlandish theatrics of a Republican-dominated Congress.

None of Obama’s many accomplishments would have been possible were he not a man of stellar integrity. His enemies have been greatly disappointed that they have not been able to sniff out scandal in his administration.

The president and his wife, Michelle, also display even-tempered and well-grounded personalities that resist pettiness and petulance, anger and affront, even in the face of vicious insults. And while most of the singularly offensive rants have come from the right wing, a few have been lobbed from the left. College professor and professional provocateur Cornel West has called Obama a “Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”

The Obamas have been a lovely antidote to the politics of personal destruction. By the time they leave, the president’s approval ratings should be higher still.

Cynthia Tucker won the Pulitzer Prize for commentary in 2007. She can be reached at

Photo: U.S. President Barack Obama arrives late to participate in a G-7 Working Session in Shima, Japan, Friday, May 27, 2016, during the G-7 Summit. REUTERS/Carolyn Kaster/Pool

151 Responses to Compared To Current Candidates, Obama Is Looking Good

  1. Compared with the current Republiclan condidates, a three week dead skunk on a hot asphalt road would look good. I have been impressed with Hillary’s toughness and competence and have always found Obama gracious, poised and dignified with enormous competence and talent.

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    • The “Obama Recovery” was from the Bush Crash, first of all.
      Second it wasn’t so much Obama’s as it should have been; he had the anchor of the GOP to lift as well as the economy. Reagan’s opposition actually gave a damn about the people, and Reagan faced nowhere near the opposition and obstruction.

    • You love those right-wing fabricated charts don’t you? If Reagan’s recovery was so great, why didn’t he even outperform Carter or even Nixon?? Reagan averaged a 7.3% GDP growth over 8 years: Carter averaged 10.7%/yr over 4 years.

      Here’s a graph that shows reality – not something contrived up by GOP politicians.

    • And if the recovery under Reagan was so great, why does Reagan hold the record for having the worst 2nd year approval rating of any president in office since Hoover?? A miserable 35% favorability in his second year in office!! And why, because he trashed the economy by doing nothing to help the economy rebound for almost 18 months after taking office. He sat on his hands and then did the worst thing a president can do to help an economy recover – CUT TAXES FOR HIS AND HIS RICH BUDDIES BENEFIT!!! And then he raised taxes 11 times in a way that kept way that has foisted the country’s tax burden more on the middle class and poor; and Reagan’s failed policies made income inequality skyrocket.

      • OH! So the “Trickle down economy” didn’t work for you either? I can’t see why the Republicans hold him up as some kind of God. To me he represents the beginning of the end of organized labor……….hey – maybe that’s why the 1% love him?

    • And on top of all that, Reagan didn’t have a Democrat Congress that did everything in its power to suppress the economy and insisted on instituting austerity which has dampened GDP growth.

      But even with that, Obama has outperformed Reagan in any economic measure you want to come up with lowlife (Obama reduced a 10.1% unemployment rate to 6.1%, one year faster than Reagan could reduce a 10.8% unemployment rate to the same level. And in 8 years, Reagan couldn’t get unemployment down to 5% despite the fact he had no obstruction from the Dems and he was president during the Personal Computer revolution when the economy should have skyrocketed!! Reagan actually SUPPRESSED THE ECONOMY!!!

      Obama Outperforms Reagan On Jobs, Growth And Investing

      “President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his sixth year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. So, despite today’s number, the Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration.

    • And on top of all that, only a moron would compare GDP growth back in Reagan’s time to today. When Reagan was in office, the GDP was around 4T while today it’s around 18T. So if Reagan’s policies supposedly added 1/2 a trillion to GDP that was a 12.5%/yr GDP.increase. Whereas if Obama’s policies added 1/2 a trillion to GDP this year, that would only be about a 2.7%/yr GDP increase. It’s a far sight harder today to raise the GDP by 2% than it was to raise it by 10% back when Reagan was in office.

    • Reagan did not enjoy an economy on the verge of collapse, and instead of obstructionism, he enjoyed the full support of the so-called “Reagan Democrats”. Even at that, he presided over a major recession, the near collapse of the S&L industry, and we are still feeling the effects of trickle down economics, and the demise of labor unions.

    • Interest rate cuts drove that Reagan economy. It’s really about as simple as that Otto. Even economists sympathetic to Reagan say that now.

      It’s hard to believe now that interest rates ever got that high, but the federal funds rate was at almost 20% near the end of the Carter Presidency and the discount rate was at almost 14%. It’s little wonder that Carter had his so-called malaise going on. They were trying to get a handle on inflation.

      Rates were dramatically cut in ’82 and kick started the recovery. It’s very rare to have that kind of enormous change in monetary restriction, and then expansion, from one Presidency to the next. Reagan’s top marginal tax cut had little to do with it.

    • Reagan was allowed to hire government workers. Congress cut money for them. That is why airports are so slow and all government services are understaffed.

    • Here in reality, A new economic report, published by on September 6, 2014, clearly shows that President Obama is the best economic president in modern times. It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact, based on all of typical the economic indicators, including jobs, investments, growth and expansion, even the rate of inflation. In all of these areas President Obama’s record outperforms that of every other modern president, including conservative idol, Ronald Reagan. Under President Obama’s leadership, the unemployment rate has now decreased to 5 percent, the lowest it’s been since 2007, when the economy began gushing jobs under the failed leadership of then president George W. Bush. Typically, republicans have tried to detract from the president’s accomplishments. When it comes to the falling unemployment rate, they claim that it is somehow related to large numbers of people just dropping out of the workforce. This would almost be believable if the economy wasn’t creating new jobs at a rate that coincides perfectly with the falling employment rate, but it is. There have been six consecutive months with more than 200,000 new jobs created, with only a slight dip in that number in August. Additionally, there have been 77 straight months of economic expansion and more than two solid years of manufacturing expansion. In order to satisfy Obama’s conservative critics, Forbes compared the economy under President Obama to that of Ronald Reagan, who the GOP often touts as the best economic president of our times. It’s no surprise to discover that even with many additional obstacles in his path, Forbes concluded that: “President Obama’s administration has outperformed President Reagan’s in all commonly watched categories.” In order to complete the analysis, Forbes interviewed Bob Deitrick, CEO of Polaris Financial Partners. The company’s newsletter is reported to be one of the most reliable authorities on economic performance in the country. Here’s what Deitrick had to say about President Obama’s job creation record, when compared to that of President Reagan. “President Reagan has long been considered the best modern economic President. So we compared his performance dealing with the oil-induced recession of the 1980s with that of President Obama and his performance during this ‘Great Recession.’ As this unemployment chart shows, President Obama’s job creation kept unemployment from peaking at as high a level as President Reagan, and promoted people into the workforce faster than President Reagan. President Obama has achieved a 6.1% unemployment rate in his 6th year, fully one year faster than President Reagan did. At this point in his presidency, President Reagan was still struggling with 7.1% unemployment, and he did not reach into the mid-low 6% range for another full year. So, despite today’s number, the Obama administration has still done considerably better at job creating and reducing unemployment than did the Reagan administration. We forecast unemployment will fall to around 5.4% by summer, 2015. A rate President Reagan was unable to achieve during his two terms.” According to Forbes, this is not only the best private sector job growth in modern history: “This is the best private sector jobs creation performance in American History.” Deitrick also made it clear that President Obama has not achieved this reduction in unemployment because of a shrinking workforce, but in spite of it. “What’s now clear is that the Obama administration policies have outperformed the Reagan administration policies for job creation and unemployment reduction. Even though Reagan had the benefit of a growing Boomer class to ignite economic growth, while Obama has been forced to deal with a retiring workforce developing special needs. During the 8 years preceding Obama there was a net reduction in jobs in America. We now are rapidly moving toward higher, sustainable jobs growth.” As a final note, President Obama has managed to outperform Ronald Reagan in all of these areas, while at the same time, reducing the national debt. On the other hand, Reagan greatly expanded the debt, and still failed to achieve in eight years, what President Obama has achieved in only six.

      And Obama didn’t have to raid the social security fund to keep his failing economy a float.

  2. Obama has been a great President, not only compared to the pathetic field of candidates running in 2016, but compared to many of his predecessors. If it had not been for the obstructionism and relentless attacks directed at him since his inauguration, many of our socio-economic problems would have been solved by now. Incredibly, or perhaps not surprisingly, the people that brag about obstructionist policies designed to make Barack Obama a one-term President, are being re-elected by comfortable majorities by people who either don’t care about the damage done to our society by the morons they elect, or are so offended by the sight of a black man in the Oval Office that they are willing to sacrifice themselves to deny him the right to govern, and establish a legacy consistent with his accomplishments.

    • Even you Dominick! I have never ever heard that Obama is hated because he is black and I deal w fairly low life forms at times , I only hear this from the left as an excuse for being against his policies

      Any way Happy Memorial Day????????

      • It was not lefts who met and decided on his inauguration to vote no on everything. Mitch said he would be a one term president.

        • The is absolutely correct . Did they meet and state , “because he is Black we should try and limit his term to one “…..’ NO!! there were Many pundits including Rush Limbaugh ,?on day one said “‘I hope he fails ” …. Not because Obama is half Black but because of his agenda and previous associations with Bill Ayrea and many in the Chicago underground that had anarchic tendencies . No more no less . Obama has been divisive crea ting the worse racial tension since Leroy Jones of Newark . Obama can not relate to the American Blacks since he was not here and “down ” for the “struggle . Immediately he chastises the Boston cops, on and on , Obama has given Bkacks a bad name

          • The election of Obama didn’t create racist, it brought youy lowlifes out into the light.

            Even before Barack Obama took the stage in celebration in Chicago’s Grant Park on election night in 2008, the ugly racists in conservative leadership had already spent months stirring racial resentment and fear based on Obama’s “otherness.” References to the Reverend Wright sermon, the claimed Michelle Obama “whitey tape,” the birth certificate, the coded racism of Sarah Palin, and the non-stop, breathless, racist fear-pandering by anyone and everyone associated with Fox News set the stage for what was to come: nearly seven years of unending racist attacks, both overt and subtle.

            The United States has never been “post-racial” as some would claim while citing the election of a black president, and certainly most African-Americans would scoff at the notion of a “post-racial” America. That said, prior to the emergence of Obama, outward expressions of virulent racism had been increasingly muted and forced underground by decades of hard work. The most vicious racists had crawled under rocks, spewing their loathings in private or secret among others who shared their views.

            What has happened in the intervening years of the Obama presidency has been nothing less than a great unleashing — the legitimization of racism and racist expression. The stewards at Fox News will always deny racism, as will others in conservative leadership including a number of conservative members of Congress, but their steady demonization of the president has allowed racists to emerge from their dank holes and voice their hatred openly and without shame.

            The rise of the Tea Party during the health care debate, no matter how contrived or staged, was simply the organizing by right wing power brokers of those holding racial resentments. The Tea Party provided racists with a sheepskin, euphemistically labeled “dissent,” as a way to publicly espouse their virulent racial hatred. Of course, the Republican Party has long stirred the racial resentment pot as part of their electoral strategy, but never before could they stoke and organize a movement with a primary objective of coalescing the fearful, the bigoted and the blatantly racist. Conservatives exploited the election of Barack Obama to organize their hardcore base.

            Reading the message boards of many major media outlets in any part of the country during the Michael Brown/Ferguson coverage shows just how far we have receded as a society. Open expressions of virulent racism are prevalent, with many such comments not even subject to removal by moderators. Virulent racists feel free to express their hatred openly without fear of sanction.

            Reports of Republican Party officials making openly racist or subtly racist comments are now so common that we are nonplussed when we read the latest crazed utterances. Over the course of Obama’s tenure, the “freedom” to express such thoughts has expanded greatly, and attempts to call out these comments are often met with 1) a denial of racism, and 2) shouts of “Freedom of speech!” and “First Amendment!”

            Racism never went away, but thanks to the hard work of dedicated people, including many who gave their lives for the cause, racists and racism were forced into the shadows, limiting racists’ ability to openly proselytize their perverse beliefs. Our world was a better place. We have gone backwards as a nation.

            Conservatives have fostered this retreat to gain power. It’s a cynical strategy laced with abhorrent consequences for us all. It may take a long time to put that genie back in the bottle.

          • Your narrative is a bit contrived , sure ther are some out there that may have anti black sentiment but racism was almos dead until Obama started meeting the characterizations of hatred . Even Harry Ried wondered if Obama was Black enough to pull this off . Democrats have been using divisive generalizations of different groups to foment animosity between so called protected groups . It is obvious you live in a very confined neighborhood or have limited relationships with different cultures.

          • It should seem quite obvious, but it took scientists to finally bring the “mystery” of intense Obama hatred by some in the GOP, ranging from tea party members to Trump supporters, into full relief.

            A new study clears up any lingering doubt that the Republican Party engaged in the tactic of dogwhistle politics in the 2008 presidential race between Barack Obama and John McCain. The study, which was published online this month in Public Opinion Quarterly, shows that the McCain campaign’s negative ads about Obama overwhelmingly featured him with a darker skin tone in a subtle attempt to appeal to voters’ racial prejudices.

            According to the study’s authors, 86 percent of the ads featured images of the president with a skin tone that fell into the darkest quartile of the ads they looked at.

            As the Post reports, the closer the election got, the darker Obama’s skin became in McCain’s desperate ads. And while Obama’s skin darkened, McCain’s skin grew lighter and pastier.

            During the 2008 campaign the McCain campaign appears to have cynically attempted to use digitally darkened images of Obama in order to stir potential bigotry against him and his campaign. Obama obviously overcame this to win that election and become president. But isn’t it somewhat plausible that this and other attempts to demonize the president and his supporterss for their race and ethnicity were actually at the heart of movement against him—such as the tea party, and Donald Trump’s rapid rise to the GOP’s presumptive nominee?

            Many of you will say, “Duh!” But still, it helps to have the science to prove it.

          • Obama is half very pale half white from a blond mother. Blck men like that stuff …. And some men like the reverse as well …… Personal notes. You say that Obama Melba’s portrayed darker by the press as the year wore on, this has to be since the summer makes him tan thru summer as it does me. And well into Ocotber !

            You argument is not a good one , example is Dr Ben Carson and Hermann Cain who are widely respected by most Right wingers . They are both blacker than a ……. … …. As some would say of course they are magically white and considered them uncle Tome whities and not Black at all

      • You can’t seriously believe that?
        You didn’t see the rallies against the black muslim in the White House? They were on the friggin Capiltal.

        Consider for one second what the fallout would have been if Mitt Romney had won, and a Senate and House controlled by the Democrats had done the things this bunch has…

        I doubt you’ll get a actual GOP politician to openly say the black guy shouldn’t be in the white house because of his skin color, because apparently there IS an upper limit to stupidity.

        But you can see it in a lot of talk and action that would not have occurred for a white male president.

        • In do believe what I see everyday working in a very real diverse ( not HR induced diverse ) environments in the inner city , as well as so called red neck rural areas and “white privilege ” suburbs . I do not see even the remotest ? Degree of such described racism .

  3. Pres.Obama is doing a very remarkable job because the focus has switched to candidates running to place him, while himself hasn’t stopped to focus on the job he was elected to do. He won’t tire. He will continue to perform well until the date he will hand over the people’s house to the new occupier.

  4. FDR’s progressive policy and high marginal tax rates on the wealthy produced the most prosperous time in history. He served four terms. I would vote Obama for a third and fourth term.

    • And believe it or not, it’s when taxes are high that the country is the most prosperous – because corporations can’t depend on making profits from their investments (with a capital gains rate at 15% there’s no incentive for companies to take the risk of expanding – so they sit back and make profits off their investments – many of them overseas investments). But if taxes, including the capital gains rate is high, then profits from their business expansions make more sense.

      And even with the high tax rates, FDR leads all presidents since Coolidge in job creation BY FAR during his two terms. And every Democrat president in office after Coolidge beat every Republican president in job creation.

      See this chart:

  5. Well, those who have already responded sure show they know very little about what makes a great president. Political scientists now have Obama ranked in the high 30s as to his rating. He’s generally listed as being better than Carter (gee, what a surprise) but worse than GW (again, no surprise there).
    When you consider that in 2010, Obama was listed in the top 20, he sure has fallen from grace. But then again, in 2002, GW was ranked “as being in the top 5”.
    All glory is fleeting! If Obama keeps making the US the laughing stock of the world with actions like his treasonous Hiroshima visit, he’ll end up behind Carter.

    • It was George W Bush who was the laughing stock of the world. Obama was named most admired man globally for 7 years in a row, and probably will be 8. Laughing at you!

      • What could you possibly have been smoking to make such stupid comments? Obama is the laughing stock of the world! In Europe and Asia, the cartoons regularly lambaste Obama for being gutless and making the US a second rate country. Thanks to Obama, the US is no longer the leader of the free world! I live outside the US for almost 6 months/year. I constantly see how the foreign newspapers treat Obama. They can’t imagine that the voters in the US elected him not once but twice. The foreign press chalks it up to low information. No other possible explanation is possible!
        You shown just how poorly educated Obama and Dems are.

          • Same source, but different information. I’m sure you can explain.

            And for good measure try these links.

            Guess you’re not as informed as you thought, and that I’m more informed than you could ever imagine.

            FYI, I can provide dozens more links that rip Obama to shreds. Just look at the 2014 election results. Obama stated “I’m not on the ballot, but my policies are”. The result of the election was the Dems lost more seats than even 2010 and now hold fewer offices than since the 1920’s.

            Yep, Obama is sure the man of the year! Get a life!

          • Every publication runs freelance articles by right-wing Obama haters. I could care less what these other nut jobs think – I’ve had personal observation of every president from FDR til now – and anyone who says Obama isn’t a great president is a right-wing racist Obama hater!!!!

            Go stuff all your nonsensical websites up your you know where!!!

          • So Time and now the Huffington Post are right wing Obama haters.

            You have become senile and belligerent in your old age. Sure signs of dementia in there too.

            You like to copy/paste tons of worthless sentences and think it makes you appear informed, but the reality is that it makes you look foolish.

            Just because someone doesn’t agree with what Obama is doing, that does not make them racist. You low information bigots think you’re taking the high road by name calling, but it just makes you look smaller and smaller.

            Here Obama gets ranked int 30s.



            And now Obama gets ranked lower and lower.


            Obama a great president – that’s a joke. Senility and dementia is more like it.



          • You just don’t get it do you clueless!!

            Few if any publications in America are strictly one-sided except maybe for stuff coming from Faux News, Brietbart and even the Daily Kos and some other clearly partisan outlets. But all the mainstream publications carry articles that are written by right-wing nut jobs who are hellbent on discrediting Obama.

            When Republicans signed a pact on Obama’s inauguration night to do everything in their power to discredit his presidency – they meant that in every way possible. And so they’ve flooded the news media at every opportunity with propaganda just like that published 24/7 by Faux News. NO PUBLICATION IS IMMUNE!!

            So you can take all those worthless links and cram them you know where BECAUSE I KNOW BETTER AND ONLY DUMMIES LIKE YOU BELIEVE PROPAGANDA!!!

            Eric Cantor & GOP Leaders Plot to Sabotage US Economy in Secret Meeting (and to discredit Barak Obama in any and every way that they can dream up)


          • Of course this link has NOTHING to do with how lowly Obama is rated as a president, does it? Don’t be so naive, every political party meets and try to come up with a strategy to make the other party look weak.
            The liberal press/media are significantly more likely to be one-sided than conservative sources. This has been proven statistically time and again.
            Worthless links; well my links prove my point. You have a reputation for being the copy/paste idiot. You, like your above link, have nothing to support or help your position, yet you are stupid (or is it dementia and senility?) enough to keep using feeble logic.

            Time for you to go out to pasture, the world has passed you by.
            You and your bigoted low information partners have been destroyed yet again!

          • The only thing your links prove is exactly what I said – GOP lovers determined to denigrate Obama have chosen to flood the conservative media, which is more than 85% of what we see, with article after article of right-wing partisan propaganda deliberately written in an attempt to make the first black president look bad, which is believed especially by total nincompoops like you!!!

          • You just keep displaying your ignorance. The media is 90% liberal, and yet you claim it’s 85% conservative. That’s just pathetic. Senility and dementia describe you pretty accurately.
            Keep doing your copy/paste, it’s something for you to do while the staff at the assisted living facility you’re at prepares your fresh diaper and oatmeal dinner.

          • ” The media is 90% liberal, and yet you claim it’s 85% conservative.”

            Talk about ignorance. In reality there’s virtually very little “liberal” media.

            Faux News has the biggest chunk of Conservative Media followed by Clear Channel, another right-wing outlet that polls show garners over 200 million listeners a week. And just given that ‘the media’ is a corporate entity and BY FAR, corporations are right-wing biased.

            Six corporations – Time Warner, Disney, News Corporation, Viacom, Comcast, and CBS – control roughly 90% of the media in the U.S. (all organizations with a right-wing bias)

            Only total morons such as yourself would believe that America’s media has a ‘liberal bias’.

            15 things everyone would know more about if there were a liberal media

            1. Where the jobs went.

            2. Upward wealth redistribution and/or inequality.

            3. More about ALEC

            4. The number of people in prison.

            5. The number of black people in prison.

            6. U.S. health care costs are the highest in the world.

            7. Glass-Steagall.

            8. Gerrymandering.

            9. The number of bills blocked by Republicans in Congress that would have helped the economy and created more jobs.

            10. What was really behind the Supreme Courts Citizens United decision.

            11. Nixon’s Southern Strategy.

            12. Tax cuts primarily benefit the wealthy.

            13. What’s happening to the bees?

            14. The ‘True’ impact of temporary workers on our economy.

            15. Media consolidation

          • Disney is conservative? Ha, Ha, That’s outright lie. The main stream media are extremely left-bias, yet low information lefties keep saying it’s not. They are too low information to accept the truth.

          • And more of your ignorance just shines through weasel:

            Disney’s political leanings are well-known to be conservative, anti-union, and paranoid about communism. Disney was an associate of the poster boy for American anti-communism, Joe McCarthy, and even testified against some of his Hollywood peers in McCarthy’s infamous House Un-American Activities Committee.

            Disney was a very devout Congregationalist Christian, the religion of his family, and was named after the family minister. He was unashamed and spoke of his faith publicly. He even had the first Disneyland dedicated by a Congregationalist reverend.

            There are many rumors that Disney was rabidly anti-Semitic. Some of this stems from Disney cartoon shorts featuring Jewish characters in a less-than-flattering light, while some of it stems from his association with various anti-Semites of the time.


            And I’ll guarantee you that the Disney Corporation has not changed from the way Walt founded it.

          • And Walt is still around running the company just like Henry Ford is still running FoMoCo. Disney is most certainly a left leaning company – one of the first to provide benefits for gay partners, etc. Once again you’ve been proven to be senile and demented.

          • The politics of the corporations that control the media don’t always have something to do with it: it’s more the political leanings or attitudes of those gathering the news; and the media in America is clearly NEGATIVE BIASED!!
            The news people clearly favor NEGATIVE NEWS over positive news. That’s why Donald Trump has been in the spotlight so much for the past year or so because virtually everything he says is negative except from when he’s bragging about himself.
            And if any people in America and political party is about THE NEGATIVE, it is Conservatives and the GOP!!! They’re all about hate and bigotry!!!!!
            When did you ever see front page stories about Obama saving the country from a Depression by saving the auto industry from bankruptcy and applying a stimulus??
            Or the fact that the auto industry is now reaping profits that it hadn’t seen since another Democrat was in office back in the 1990s??
            Or when was it ever front page news that Obama’s stimulus was the driving factor for all our current advancements in alternative energies?? One big reason that gas prices have come down so far; and why we now have electric cars as advanced as those produced by Tesla?? Right on the doorstep of making gas powered cars obsolete??
            Or when was it ever front page news that America is now the largest producer of oil and gas on the planet?? Surpassing both Russia and Saudi Arabia in oil and gas for the first time in history?
            Or even front page news publishing the truth about America’s spending?? That Obama has reduced deficit spending further and faster than any other president in History. And that all the notions different than that are nothing BUT REPUBLICAN LIES!!
            And I could go on and on with positives after positives!!
            And only an idiot like you would believe that the media is truly liberal biased, because if it was, the media would be constantly exposing the GOP’s lies every single day of the year!!

          • Political donations don’t reflect left-biased reporting. Trump donated to the Clintons’, so I guess that makes him a liberal!
            Most of what you listed above are NOT considered positives by more than 50% of the nation. Once again, you copy/paste volumes of garbage and think it makes you look “informed”. In reality, just the opposite is the result. That’s why you’re referred to as “the copy/paste IDIOT”.

          • Which is basically what I said but the fact they give more to Republicans than Democrats makes it clear they are not a strictly left-wing organization.

            And just because Disney is not as ‘far right’ as you are, and includes common-sense business practices which idiot far-right wingers like you disagree with, does not mean that it is not overall a right-wing organization. Although rare today, there are still some “Compassionate Conservatives’ around. And Disney is clearly one of them.

          • And you have continuously proven that the term ‘informed’ when related to anything you post is clearly an oxymoron.

          • And by the way dumbcoff, I just looked up the donations of Disney to the political parties and Disney actually did contribute more to the GOP.

          • Here’s a list of just some of Obama’s 1st Term accomplishments – I CHALLENGE YOU to find me any 2 or 3 presidents you can name that can even come close to having accomplished in their two terms what Obama did in his first:

            1. The first bill President Obama signed was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, to help women fight back when they don’t get equal pay for equal work.
            2. His Recovery Act supported millions of jobs and helped to stave off a second Great Depression.
            3. He pushed for and won middle class tax cuts that benefited every American worker, and saved the typical family $3,600 in taxes over the last four years.
            4. President Obama rescued the auto industry, and now GM and Chrysler are healthier than they’ve ever been. The American auto industry has added nearly a quarter of a million jobs since June 2009—and they most likely wouldn’t exist right now without President Obama’s leadership.
            5. He doubled funding for Pell Grants, helping to make college more affordable for nearly 10 million families.
            6. His student loan reform ended billions in subsidies to banks serving as middlemen and reinvested those savings directly in students.
            7. The President established the American Opportunity Tax Credit, worth up to $10,000 over four years of college.
            8. His Race to the Top Initiative helped spur nearly every state to raise academic standards.
            9. His tax cuts, social-welfare programs, and economic policies lifted nearly 7 million Americans above the federal poverty line in 2010.
            10. President Obama has signed 18 tax cuts for small businesses since taking office.
            11. We’ve seen 5.2 million new private sector jobs over the last 31 months.
            12. The unemployment rate is at the lowest level since President Obama took office.
            13. Health care reform—passed after decades of failed attempts by every previous president—provides affordable health coverage to every American and will lower premiums by an average of $2,000 per family by 2019.
            14. Obamacare expanded access to lifesaving preventive care such as cancer screenings and immunizations with no out-of-pocket costs for 54 million Americans.
            15. Obamacare ends insurance discrimination against the 129 million Americans with pre-existing conditions.
            16. Because of Obamacare, over 3 million more young adults have health insurance today than would if the new law hadn’t passed.
            17. The parents of over 17 million children with pre-existing conditions no longer have to worry that their children will be denied coverage.
            18. President Obama has ordered the overhaul of federal government regulations to make them smarter, practical, and more efficient. Just a fraction of these common-sense initiatives will help save businesses $10 billion in the next five years alone.
            19. His historic investments in clean energy have helped more than double the amount of electricity we obtain from wind and solar sources and helped increase biofuel production to its highest level in history.
            20. President Obama is doubling fuel efficiency standards, which will save drivers more than $8,000 at the gas pump, not to mention lessen the impact of automobiles on our environment.
            21. President Obama has taken unprecedented action to address climate change, reaching historic international agreements to curb carbon emissions, and taking action here at home to reduce carbon pollution from our vehicles and promote clean energy production.
            22. He has taken historic action to protect our environment—signing one of the largest expansions of protected wilderness in a generation and putting in place standards to reduce toxic air pollution that will save thousands of lives.
            23. President Obama fought for and won landmark Wall Street reform that reins in the abuses that led to the financial crisis and ends the era of taxpayer bailouts and “too big to fail.”
            24. Wall Street reform created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the nation’s first federal agency focused solely on consumer financial protection—and the Bureau is already protecting families from unfair and abusive financial practices from Wall Street banks and shadowy corners of the financial industry.
            25. As part of President Obama’s commitment to transparency, the White House has posted its visitor records online for the first time ever.
            26. President Obama’s all-of-the-above approach to energy has helped cut the United States’ dependence on foreign oil to its lowest level in 20 years.
            27. President Obama responsibly ended the war in Iraq.
            28. He announced a plan to end the war in Afghanistan and transition security responsibility to the Afghan people.
            29. President Obama sent the largest security assistance package to Israel in history and funded the Iron Dome system, which is protecting Israeli homes and schools from rocket attacks.
            30. President Obama rallied the international community to implement the toughest sanctions on Iran in history.
            31. Through the President’s historic increases in Veterans Affairs funding, he has expanded and improved healthcare and job training access for our returning veterans.
            32. President Obama negotiated the New START Treaty with Russia to reduce the number of nuclear weapons in both countries. At the same time, he also secured commitments from dozens of other countries to lock down nuclear materials.
            33. His administration naturalized 11,146 military servicemembers as U.S. citizens in 2010; more than in any year since 1955.
            34. President Obama set a bold new plan for the future of NASA space exploration, using the skill and ability of the private sector for short trips to the International Space Station, while building a new vehicle for exploration of distant space, and doing everything in his power to support the economy on Florida’s Space Coast.
            35. President Obama recognizes that tourism is one of America’s largest economic engines; he’s worked to encourage international visitors to come here, maintaining our security while keeping millions of Americans in good, paying jobs.
            36. He has affirmed his personal support of marriage equality, directed the Justice Department to stop defending DOMA in federal courts, and took the practical and compassionate step of extending hospital visitation rights to same-sex partners.
            37. He fought for and won the repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell”, allowing gay and lesbian members of the military to serve openly for the first time in history.
            38. When Congress failed to fix our broken immigration system, his administration did everything in its power to improve it, streamlining the legal immigration process and announcing a policy that lifts the shadow of deportation from hard working young immigrants brought to the U.S. as children.
            39. Oh, and he gave the order to send troops in after Osama Bin Laden—and has decimated al Qaeda’s senior leadership.

    • Which political scientists?
      Which list?

      Seriously not in the mood for your vapid, fact-free, evidence-less bullsh!t today, pinhead shill.

      Post a link.
      Show me which paragon of political science put their name and reputation to a list that has George Bush higher than Obama.

      If it’s to any more useful a site than “Glen Beck’s Top President” I’ll be absolutely amazed.

      • I have had a lengthy exchange with (un)InformedVoter on another thread. If he does post a link, it does not support what he claims. Mostly he just makes things up as he did above.

        • You are so wrong. I completely destroyed you in the thread about Trump. You claim my posts didn’t prove my points, but you are so low information you can’t comprehend the truth. For the record, I have destroyed insinnergy just about every time he makes a post. Why you low information folks keep trying is a testament to your total lack of knowledge.

      • Here’s a link that thinks Obama is great, but they had to bow to the findings of experts on ranking the presidents. i will give the site credit for showing the findings, even though they are clearly trying to push Obama up the list. Read it and weep.
        There are numerous rankings that place Obama in the mid to high 30’s, ahead of Carter but generally below GW.
        Being that you’re part of the low information crowd that loves to just read the biased media lies, I’m not surprised that you and jan123456 regularly show ignorance of the truth.

        • So, if you think that the site is “clearly trying to push Obama up the list”, what is your point in using the link?

          You would do better if you cited one of those that “place Obama in the high 30s”….but since that is another thing you just made up, i am not surprised you don’t do so.

          • Your ignorance and lack of understanding is truly disturbing. Insinnergy was challenging that Obama was listed as being among the worst. I provided a link that, even though they were obviously biased towards writing a favorable rank for Obama, that they were compelled to tell the truth and listed Obama as one of the worst. There are plenty of sites that show Obama in the 30’s, but just by putting him “among the worst” automatically puts him at least in the bottom 10 – or in the 30’s. This is what I mean. You get presented with proof that you’re wrong and you’re too low information to understand the information presented. So of course you just say “it doesn’t fit”. Why do you think you got so clobbered in the other thread? The sad part is that you are not even intelligent enough to recognize your destruction. Pathetic, but then Dems thrive off low information folks like you.

          • Yet, you cannot cite a single one that “show Obama in the 30s”.

            And if you go to the actual study (which I know you won’t do) this editorial purports to use, you will see Obama is #18.

          • I know that virtually every single right wing site would write an editorial that would put Obama behind Bush, but everything you have cited has no methodology, just opinion. At least that first editorial that you posted links to an actual study by the Brookings Institute.

            Hell, the 2nd one talks about what the Russians think! Newsflash, the USA doesn’t make decisions based on what the Russians think.

            The Quinnipiac poll is not, as you said, a study, but a POLL. They ask opinions. Now that being said, in that poll when the people were asked who was the BEST president (not worst) Obama ranked #4 and Bush #12. Please read your wikipedia entry.

          • So Time is considered a right wing site. Try again, Time is about as left as one can get.
            I included the Russia piece to educate you and your low information friends who keep claiming that Obama is admired outside the US. The truth is Obama is liked only when it comes to the fact that he buckles on everything, so the foreign countries get what they want – trade, jobs, you name it. The cartoons are numerous that make fun of Obama.
            In the poll about BEST, yes it shows a higher percent for Obama, BUT about the WORST, Obama has a higher percent that he’s worse than GW, and the percentage is lots larger than the BEST percentage. So overall, Obama gets the thumbs down vs. the thumbs up.
            For the job stats, I added a letter to the link. Here is the corrected link. You then select “alternate data” and then select “unemployment”.
            Take a close look at 2010, this is where the Obama/fed numbers start to deviate from the actual numbers. How did this happen? Because they changed the criteria of the U3 and U6 categories.
            Shot down again!

          • I didn’t say Time was a right wing site…I said the article cited the same POLL (not as you claim “study”) that several of the other sites did.

            Your shadow stats proves EXACTLY what I said. 2009 U3 rate is virtually the same as 2016 U6.


            Still waiting for ANY evidence that Obama is rated in the 30s. (Insert “Jeopardy” theme music here.)

          • You’re beginning to sound like Hillary, changing her statements to cover her mistakes.
            You wrote “every single right wing site”, and didn’t say you excluded And what about your claims that Obama is adored outside the US?
            And you low information folks claim unemployment is DOWN, when the truth is that it’s still rising. So how can the U3 and U6 numbers be down, when they should be up? Because the government changed the criteria because of the 2010 elections coming up.
            It seems everything you post is more and more worthless and desperate. Obama’s legacy is flowing down the drain.
            And when I produce the 30 site, you will just claim it’s not pertinent, just like all my other slam dunks that have destroyed you and our low information comrades.

          • No, go back and re-read what I said. Do you know what “virtually” means in this context?

            Another thing you made up…” And what about your claims that Obama is adored outside the US?” When did I say he was “adored” outside the US?

            You go ahead and produce your “30” site. You did say there were several, so finding a reputable source shouldn’t be a problem. Now, if your next door neighbor who lives in his parents’ basement skimming wi-fi off of you is the owner of that site, well, you’re right, I would discount its credibility.

          • I suspect that you’ll claim that the Huffington Post is part of the “vast right wing conspiracy”.

            You and your low information crowd lke ID1 and INSINNERGY keep claiming that Obama is respected and well liked outside the US, but that is simply not true.

            I have not made up anything that I’ve claimed. That is something that you can’t say is true about you. You post an editorial that contains NO facts and use that as proof. I produce an editorial that uses polls or studies to support my position and you claim I made it up.

            What i found interesting is that several of the sites that had Obama ranked in the 30s now have him ranked in the 40s!




            And Obama’s rank jus keeps going down and down.



            Bombed you again! You can probably contact ID1 and your other low information friends and have a good cry.

          • Here’s what you have to do Skippy. Once you are done with your google search, actually READ the articles from the results before you copy and paste the links. As usual they don’t say what you claim they do.

            Polls are not studies. They are fluid and don’t have standard methodologies. As you yourself has said, how questions are worded matters.

            (From now on, copy and paste the lines from the articles that you believe support your points. I am tired of doing your reading for you.)

          • Your are SO WRONG! The most recent links, just like the ones provided earlier absolutely DESTROY your feeble position. Meanwhile, the links you provide actually prove my point. Polls provide stats. if the public says Obama is the worst president in history, then guess what, he IS!

            Huffington Post rated Obama 34 (try the first paragraph), the others rated Obama lower and you sit there and say there is nothing to support Obama being among the worst presidents!

            In ID1’s case, he’s senile and has dementia. What’s your excuse?

            You have requested that I provide proof for all my claims and I have. You have provided zero in the form of proof that ANYTHING you have claimed is true.

            DON’t ENTER INTO A BATTLE of wits when you’re only half prepared! Once again your position has been completely discredited, yet you are stupid enough that you don’t realize it.

            This happens time and again. I regularly destroy you, ID1, Bobnpuff, Insinnergy and any other low information stooge like you. I have proven my points and just now you have asked me to prove another. Well, the ball’s in your court dummy. If you can’t prove that my point is false, then by default you are wrong.

            Enjoy your simple-minded life. When Trump gets elected and Obama and Hillary get convicted of crimes against the US, you can continue to ask me for proof, but it’ll just make you look dumber than you regularly demonstrate.

          • Polls provide stats. if the public says Obama is the worst president in history, then guess what, he IS!


            No, if you don’t know the difference between a poll and a study, you can’t be educated.

          • You’re just pissed off because I proved that your “beloved” Obama is not “beloved” after all. He’s rated poorly and he’s openly mocked overseas. You have claimed that I make stuff up. Well, it looks like you’re the one who makes stuff up by claiming Obama is doing a great job. Pathetically low information folks like you, are living in a dream world.

          • Pissed off? No, that’s just another thing you’ve made up. (Please cite where I said Obama is doing a “great”, “terrible” or any other adjective when referring to his job performance.)

            All you have provided is your opinion…out of your head…which must be a painful place to be.

          • Because they changed the criteria of the U3 and U6 categories.

            You have no evidence that this is true…mostly because it’s one of your made up things. Like Obama in the 30s.

          • You and your low information crowd have not even come close to proving or showing ANY of my statements were made up. Oh, you’ve tried, but I’ve always had the information to back up what was claimed. Note how this is different than what you crazies claim. Just about every one of your statements that has been challenged has proven me correct and you acting more like a frightened Hillary.

          • Skippy, when you say ” There are plenty of sites that show Obama in the 30’s,” yet cannot cite a SINGLE one, even after given multiple opportunities to do so….a person has to know you made it up.

            When you say “they changed the criteria of the U3 and U6 categories.” and cannot show when or how…a person has to know you made it up.

            When you say (on the other thread) that “There are many sources that prove Trump’s comments. Within 24-48 hours
            there were at least a dozen editorials that proved Trump was correct.” yet, you cannot provide any editorials,…a person has to know you made it up. (Also, that in this case editorials were ostensibly correct, yet when they oppose your ideas,…they’re only editorials, right?)

            When you say “Hillary denied the request for more security.” yet a two year GOP led investigation shows you completely WRONG…well, you tell ME where you got your misinformation.

          • You may wish to recheck your sources. Hillary admitted that the request for additional security was turned down because they didn’t feel the threat was credible.

          • More fabricated total hogwash!! Benghazi was a CIA detachment with the Defense Department (not the State Department) responsible for providing security.

            Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say

            In the month before attackers stormed U.S. facilities in Benghazi and killed four Americans, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens twice turned down offers of security assistance made by the senior U.S. military official in the region in response to concerns that Stevens had raised in a still secret memorandum, two government officials told McClatchy.

            Read more here:

          • What a credible source! So two unnamed people who probably work for the Clinton Foundation make a claim that even Hillary contradicts. Hillary took “responsibility” for not adding security for Stevens, yet you cling to unreliable links that was created by another low information person and say “it must be true”. You demonstrate over and over how you must be suffering from senility and dementia.

          • Hillary only took responsibility for the attack because at the time they were trying not to let out that Benghazi was a CIA detachment being used as a consulate as a coverup. It was idiot Issa who kept harping about nonsense that finally made the head of the CIA come out and admit that it was the Defense Department’s responsibility to provide protection: Which they did within a reasonable time. And even the attorney that was supposed to be supporting the investigation by Congress came out and admitted that everything had been done that could have been done.

          • Hillary was still lying about the attack being caused by the video! If there had not been an order to “stand down” (three times!), you could have had a different ending. The attack lasted long enough so the former rangers would have been there while the attack was still underway. Proven by two books and a check of the timeline. The movie is also an accurate source.

          • BULLSHIT! Even Hillary now admits the attack was premeditated. What do you think she meant when she said “what difference does it make”?
            Senile and demented if you even consider that the attack was not planned out in advance.
            You keep proving how low information you truly are.

          • Your link has been checked for accuracy and NOT ONE organization supports what your link claims.
            Here’s a verified link from a liberal source. Please note how Hillary takes responsibility for the lack of security. In earlier posts you claimed she had nothing to do with security and you even invented copy/paste information to “support” your supposed knowledge. I called you senile then and this link proves you’re making stuff up trying to act like you know what you post about. ALSO PLEASE note how wikipedia debunks the video you are claiming to be a cause.

            And for good measure, here’s another “factchecked” and “politifact” checked link. This link proves my point about the media being left-biased.

            Once again, your posts have been destroyed. Do yourself a favor and stop making ridiculous posts that just end up making you look more and more senile and demented.

          • The media is left biased?? What total nonsense!! Is that why the Republican candidate is on the news almost 24/7?? I could care less what politifact, a right-wing biased website thinks!!!

            And sorry weasel, but the mastermind of the Benghazi attacks says that one of his motivations was the video. Here it is again:


            “On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world… As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.”


            And it’s only dirtbag weasels like you that are fixated on the actual motive. Just like Hillary said: What difference does it make?? With respect to the motive!!

            4 Americans were killed, is knowing the motive going to bring them back?? SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??

            Why don’t you clue us in as to why the motive matters lowlife!! All you right-wing dirtbags can think about is trying to politicize 4 people dying. There isn’t a rock in the world so close to the ground that snakes like you can’t crawl under it!!!!!!

          • Once again, your sources of information have been declared as FALSE INFORMATION. Only an idiot would continue to say the video caused the problem. Even lying Hillary says the video had NOTHING to do with the attack.
            This is just more proof how senile and demented you are. And here I just thought it was low information.
            The reason the left-biased press keeps putting Trump in the spotlight is they think they are hurting his chances by constantly talking about him. However, since the left-biased media didn’t create his stardom, like they did lying Hillary’s, they can’t destroy what they didn’t create. They are proving to be as dumb as you.

    • And George W Bush did? Really? Lets review for dumb gop sheep that can’t remember,

      * He started the two longest wars in our Nations history.

      * The two worst economic depressions since the great depression.

      * The worst terrorist attracts on our country in history.

      * The two worst intelligence failures in US History, (9/11 and WMDs).

      * Worst record on job creation since Herbert Hoover.

      * A $200,000,000,000 budget surplus turned into a $1.400,000.000,000 budget deficit.

      * Doubling our National debt.

      * Increased poverty by 5 million more people.

      * Massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the very wealthy.

      * Played golf for three days while thousands died from hurricane Katrina.

      * Violated US law by authorizing torture.

      * Violated the US Constitution by authorizing warrentless wiretaps.

      * Ignored multiple warnings about the impending attack by Al-Qaeda.

      * Allowed higher levels of mercury and arsenic in our drinking water.

      * Set the all time record for most time spent on vacation.

      * Gutted the clean air act and the clean water act.

      * Weakened workplace safety and health standards.

      * Took trillions of dollars from the social security trust fund.

      * Tried to privatize social security.

      * Started an unnecessary war under FALSE pretenses.

      * Steered billions of dollars to war profiteers like Halliburton.

      * Let Bin Laden escape when we had him trapped at Tora Bora.

      *George W Bush. First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record, DUI and cocaine possession. Spent US budget surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury. Created the largest annual national deficit in US history. 2 million Americans lost their jobs during the first year. Set the record for most private bankruptcies in any 12 month period in US history. Set the record for the most home foreclosures in any 12 month period in US history. Set the record for the biggest drop in the US stock market in the nations history.Set the record for the most fundraising trips by a US president. Presided over the highest gas prices in US history. Appointed more convicted criminals to his administration than any president in history. And a war criminal too boot!

      * Worst President Ever? No one else comes close! Worst terrorist attacks on his watch. Trampled on Civil Liberties. Lied us into TWO unnecessary wars. Approved indefinite detention and torture. Abused and demoralized U.S. military. Ignored Disastrous Health care system. Ignored spiraling education cost. Worst natural disaster response, Hurricane Katrina, Lowest job creation record. Increased National debt. Ignored and worsened climate change. Policies helped crash the economy. George W Bush’s legacy: Stupidity, dishonesty and immorality!

      • BHO Still hasn’t mastered the economics of the lemonade stand. All the shrieking in the world breaks like tiny waves against that Gibraltar-like principle.

        • The same three second fox noise soundbite that I already discredited. It’s just like no ones home. Fox noise rotted her brain.

          • Go ahead. A few months back, fact-checking Politifact put together a list ranking the trustworthiness of CNN, MSNBC and Fox News, based on comments made on each network that they’ve investigated. Needless to say, Fox News was found to be the least trustworthy source based upon how few comments made on the network were factually accurate. Well it seems they’ve updated this list and in a “shocking” conclusion, Fox News was once again found to be the least honest cable news channel. Though their “True” and “Mostly True” percentage went up from 18 percent to a whopping 21 percent (still terrible), the percentage of statements that were ranked as “Mostly False,” “False” or “Pants on Fire” went up from 58 percent to 60 percent. By contrast, in the True/Mostly True category, MSNBC rated at 31 percent while CNN topped all three networks in honesty at 57 percent. In the Mostly False/False/Pants on Fire category, MSNBC rated at 44 percent while CNN was deemed the least dishonest of the three networks at 21 percent. And while MSNBC’s numbers aren’t very good, they’re still much better than the embarrassing rating Fox News received. Though I’m sure if a conservative happens to run across this they’ll simply dismiss it as “liberally biased garbage” because it wasn’t investigated and put together by an approved right-wing news source. As usual, that’s the main issue when dealing with conservative nonsense. They simply don’t trust sources that aren’t conservative-approved news sources, but these right-wing propaganda machines are continuously found to be some of the least trustworthy information sources in this country. Let’s not forget that just a few months ago a comprehensive Pew study ranked Rush Limbaugh as the most dishonest person in media – with Fox News coming in second. In fact, 4 of the 5 least trustworthy sources of information were conservative (Limbaugh, Fox News, Beck, Hannity). And this all makes perfect sense considering the vast majority of stuff I see emanating from conservatives is typically flat-out wrong. In fact, just last night a conservative friend of mine posted some ridiculous anti-Obama nonsense that wasn’t even remotely based on fact. Naturally I tried to correct their misinformation – and that went about as well as you would expect. In other words, none of the facts or sources I provided that debunked what they shared on Facebook mattered because the information I was using to discredit their misinformation wasn’t from right-wing sources.

          • LOL! Cute huh? What’s “cute” is when you dumb bots can’t see a fact even when it bitch slaps you. But cute turns to threatening disaster to our founders ideas,the Constitution and our freedoms and way of life.

            Yet another study has been released that proves that watching Fox News is detrimental to your intelligence. World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What’s more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.

            So the more you watch, the less you know. Or to be precise, the more you think you know that is actually false.

            This study corroborates a previous PIPA study that focused on the Iraq war with similar results. And there was an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll that demonstrated the break with reality on the part of Fox viewers with regard to health care. The body of evidence that Fox News is nothing but a propaganda machine dedicated to lies is growing by the day.

            In eight of the nine questions below, Fox News placed first in the percentage of those who were misinformed (they placed second in the question on TARP). That’s a pretty high batting average for journalistic fraud. Here is a list of what Fox News viewers believe that just aint so:

            91% believe that the stimulus legislation lost jobs.

            72% believe that the health reform law will increase the deficit.

            72% believe that the economy is getting worse.

            60% believe that climate change is not occurring.

            49% believe that income taxes have gone up.

            63% believe that the stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts.

            56% believe that Obama initiated the GM/Chrysler bailout.

            38% believe that most Republicans opposed TARP.

            63% believe that Obama was not born in the US (or that it is unclear).

            The conclusion is inescapable. Fox News is deliberately misinforming their viewers and they are doing it for a reason. Every issue above is one in which the Republican Party had a vested interest. They benefited from the ignorance that Fox News helped to proliferate. The results were apparent in the election last month as voter based their decisions on demonstrably false information fed to them by Fox News.

            By the way, the rest of the media was not blameless. CNN and the broadcast network news operations fared only slightly better in many cases. Even MSNBC, which had the best record of accurately informing viewers, has a ways to go before they can brag about it.

          • A Prog claims to value the constitution. Will wonders never cease? I can make you write a hundred sentences with just 10 words. Like all Progs, you’re weak-minded.

          • SORRY~! This person no longer wastes time debating with imbeciles who actually believe that republicons are the answer to our problems!

          • Speaking of yourself in the third person? Must come from those nights when you’re laying awake at 3:00 a.m. and you hear that tiny little whisper, “hey, is there room in there for one more?”

          • Dear GOP/Teabagger,

            I am writing this letter for one special reason. That reason is so that I don’t have to deal with your continued whining to “show you the facts” when all I ever do is to show you them. At which point you simply choose to ignore them. You seem to be master at the art of self imposed ignorance. Your ability to deny truth and facts is nothing short of amazing. The way you utter out lies and disinformation you’ve been spoon fed from Fox news and your less than honorable party spokespeople is very impressive. Whether you do this because your bigotry forces you to or you’re so mentally challenged that you’ll believe anything someone tells you, or you just like being somebodies pawn, I don’t really know. But I also really don’t give a rats ass. If at this point in time you refuse to see what the GOP/Tea party is doing to this nation in your name then you never will. And I thus have no reason to try convincing you of the truth. The fact that you hold fast to a party that has been very open about its desire to cause division and chaos in America whether by hook or by crook proves that your devotion to the party line goes way beyond any devotion you have for America. I have posted already that the tipping point has been passed. The ACA has become a booming success in spite of the conservative movements numerous attempts to sabotage it. And the GOP has proven to all of America just how petty and dishonest it really is. And to the chagrin of the GOP/Tea party the President will once again be seen as the victor for the American people. While the conservatives will continue to be viewed as nothing but worthless do nothing troublemakers whose fear mongering and lies are the trademarks of their existence. So, as I have said before, I’m not at all worried about the conservative agenda. Their dismal future is already cast in stone. I will simply sit back have a drink and laugh at the self imposed destruction of the GOP/Tea party. And when you ask me for the facts that you will quickly ignore I will instead repost this letter to you. Just so that you understand that I’m not ignoring you. It’s just that you aren’t worth the time I’d be wasting.

          • Dear GOP/Teabagger,

            I am writing this letter for one special reason. That reason is so that I don’t have to deal with your continued whining to “show you the facts” when all I ever do is to show you them. At which point you simply choose to ignore them. You seem to be master at the art of self imposed ignorance. Your ability to deny truth and facts is nothing short of amazing. The way you utter out lies and disinformation you’ve been spoon fed from Fox news and your less than honorable party spokespeople is very impressive. Whether you do this because your bigotry forces you to or you’re so mentally challenged that you’ll believe anything someone tells you, or you just like being somebodies pawn, I don’t really know. But I also really don’t give a rats ass. If at this point in time you refuse to see what the GOP/Tea party is doing to this nation in your name then you never will. And I thus have no reason to try convincing you of the truth. The fact that you hold fast to a party that has been very open about its desire to cause division and chaos in America whether by hook or by crook proves that your devotion to the party line goes way beyond any devotion you have for America. I have posted already that the tipping point has been passed. The ACA has become a booming success in spite of the conservative movements numerous attempts to sabotage it. And the GOP has proven to all of America just how petty and dishonest it really is. And to the chagrin of the GOP/Tea party the President will once again be seen as the victor for the American people. While the conservatives will continue to be viewed as nothing but worthless do nothing troublemakers whose fear mongering and lies are the trademarks of their existence. So, as I have said before, I’m not at all worried about the conservative agenda. Their dismal future is already cast in stone. I will simply sit back have a drink and laugh at the self imposed destruction of the GOP/Tea party. And when you ask me for the facts that you will quickly ignore I will instead repost this letter to you. Just so that you understand that I’m not ignoring you. It’s just that you aren’t worth the time I’d be wasting.

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          • “Just so that you understand that I’m not ignoring you. It’s just that you aren’t worth the time I’d be wasting.”

            Trying your material out here since it was rejected by The Onion?

            The reason you can’t ignore me is because you’ve allowed me to taken up residence inside your head and haven’t charged me a dime. Kind of empty in here though…

            OK, this has become boring. Take the last word.

    • Do you have any money in the stock market??
      If so, do you realize that any gains you’ve made were made when a Democrat was president?? In 42 years under Republicans, the stock market gains since 1930 are less than zero; while the gains in 44 years under Dems are 300% plus. A fact published by Fox Business.

      • You do realize that the only original company still on the Dow-Jones is General Electric. When a company doesn’t do well, it is replaced by one that is booming. Link the article you are siting an I will consider it. I’m going to guess that is says just the opposite.

        • From FoxBuiness:

          History Shows Stocks, GDP Outperform Under Democrats

          However, history actually shows that the U.S. economy, stock prices and corporate profits have generated stronger growth under Democratic administrations than Republican ones.

          • Start providing your own links to reputable sources and start providing your own analysis instead of snarky one liners. You have no credibility.

          • Wonderful comeback to that challenge Phil. Otto the goat is one-of-a-kind. Nobody else can do an Otto.

          • Barry is only the second worst. His little friend Nicky takes the prize. This should comfort you like a nice cottony receiving blanket and a bottle of warm milk.

        • I was going to provide you with the link to Fox Business which recognizes that the economy outperforms under Democrats but I noticed that in that article that Fox Business added the propaganda about the stock market having it’s best performance under Reagan and Bush 1 which is a flatout lie.

          So I’ve opted for this article from Fortune which even misses the mark. The two supposed analysts really had a hard time trying to figure out why the U.S, economy performs so much better under Democrats, when it’s really very clear: The answer is that Republicans always try to govern in a way that favors the upper 10% while Democrats govern in a way that helps the middleclass.

          What this has resulted in, is that Republicans consistently create during their terms recessions and depressions because they implement policies that screw the middleclass (most 8 year Republicans create 2 recessions during those 8 years). This is proven by the fact that since 1900, there have been 20 recessions and depressions, and of those 20, 14 recessions and 3 depressions occurred during Republican presidencies.

          Only 3 presidents have been in office at least 6 years since 1900 and not had a recession start during their term – all three of them are Democrats – Clinton, Obama and LBJ. And we all know that the economy and the stock market often suffers during recessions – so given that Republicans have a penchants for creating them is why over the past 115 years, the GDP/yr growth under Republicans has only averaged 2.6% while its averaged 4.3% under Democrats.

          And excerpt from the Fortune article:

          Explaining the mystery of fast economic growth under Democratic presidents

          The U.S. economy not only grows faster, according to real GDP and other measures, during Democratic versus Republican presidencies, it also produces more jobs, lowers the unemployment rate, generates higher corporate profits and investment, and turns in higher stock market returns. Indeed, it outperforms under almost all standard macroeconomic metrics.”

          • You know full well it’s got nothing to do with a source agreeing with my agenda – it’s a news source that tells the truth one heck of a lot more than Faux News!!!

            Faux News lies at lest 60% of the time just like in that article where they admitted Democrats do one heck of a lot better at the economy than Republicans who are nothing BUT LOSERS!! JUST LIKE YOU!!

            Pants On Fire’: Analysis Shows 60% Of Fox News ‘Facts’ Are Really Lies


            So like I said lowlife, go back and play in your sandbox – you’re nothing more than the equivalent of a 6-year old just like the vast majority of GOP politicians – JUST LIKE YOU AND TRUMP WHO THINK ONLY OF YOURSELVES!!!

          • Name calling. That didn’t take long. Usually doesn’t with you. Do you even know the meaning of the words you throw around? Didn’t think so.

          • You’ve devolved me into that because you’ve proven yourself to be nothing but a GOP sheeple. And the GOP is the party of the Devil who sits back and let’s people die just so they can feed more dollars into the pockets of the already wealthy. And these kind of people – just like you – are good for nothing – other than calling them names. So go stuff it you know where!!!!!! I’m fed up blogging with you GOOD BYE LOWLIFE!!!

          • “You’ve devolved me…”
            You’ve become the typical liberal cliche. Blaming someone else for your shortcomings. Now go find a safe space.

        • And in case you’re not aware, the economy would have been much better under Obama, if the GOP hadn’t deliberately plotted to sabotage the economy during Obama’s presidency (and spent every moment the last 7 years doing everything they could to suppress GDP and job growth) :

          Eric Cantor & GOP Leaders Plot to Sabotage US Economy in Secret Meeting (on the night Obama was inaugurated)

          • KOS? Really? If you’re going to quote the Kind Of Stupid website, then you’ve thrown in the towel. GOP rolled over for Barry like the nice little puppies they are.

          • News is news Dumbo, especially when you can include confirmation on the news that was recorded from the horses mouth (Gingrich).
            It’s becoming pretty clear your nothing more than an RNC shill!! Go stuff somewhere lowlife!!!

          • “New is news…” Does that include “Faux News?” You’re totally unhinged and you keep making my argument for me. Thank you for that.

      • Ooh, a personal attack. How will I ever recover from such a rapier-like thrust? BHO still hasn’t mastered the economics of the lemonade stand.

          • What?? It’s remarkable what he’s been able to do with executive orders alone, and the positive effect that his actions in those first two years had on the economy. Imagine if he would have had some cooperation since 2011.

            From former Republican Senator George Voinovich:

            “If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich told author Michael Grunwald. And at another point, characterizing a strategy session Republicans and McConnell had held in early January of 2009, Voinovich said: “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

    • A recent Brookings literature review noted that Martin Feldstein and Doug Elmendorf found in a 1989 analysis “that the 1981 tax cuts had virtually no net impact on economic growth.” They found that the strength of the recovery over the 1980s could be ascribed to monetary policy. In particular, they found no evidence that the tax cuts in 1981 stimulated labor supply.

      Feldstein was Reagan’s chairman of the CEA, so he’s not some liberal shill trying to take down Reagan’s legacy. There were five main drivers of the 80s boom according to the Brookings Institute, and others. In order of importance, they were:

      1) Paul Volcker easing up on interest rates/monetary aggregates in 1982

      2) The steep drop in oil prices after 1981

      3) Reagan’s devaluation of the dollar

      4) Reagan’s deficit spending

      5) Reagan’s tax cuts

      Taxes matter, but they simply don’t matter nearly as much as conservatives claim. Nowhere close.

      • That would be Tip O’Neil’s deficit spending, but nice try. BHO still hasn’t mastered the economics of the lemonade stand.

        • Awwww, it’s everybody’s fault but Reagan. That’s the cover lie. You know, the Democratic Congress ran up the deficits. The truth is that Reagan and Bush senior got almost exactly the budget they requested in each of their 12 budget years.

          Yes, the Democratic Congress should have shown a fraction of the obstinance that Republican Congresses started doing towards Democratic Presidents in the following decade, but that was a different era. That was an era of cooperation, and giving the elected President some rope and a chance.

          • The Republicans rolled over for both “You better put some ice on that” and “If like your doctor.”

          • Their choice was? Obama was elected with overwhelming majorities in Congress and Senate, partially on a platform of healthcare reform. They managed to roll the idiot Obama on the public option (that is, if he ever believed in it) and held health care “reform” to the private sector Heritage Foundation response to Hillary Care in the early 90’s. Don’t sell your heartless obstructionists short.

          • No, they’re pussies. And thanks to Barry’s 7+ year disaster, we’ve got the choice between two self-entitled narcissists this coming November.

          • Judging by the favourable/unfavourable ratings for both candidates, a lot of Americans don’t seem to be overly thrilled by those two choices.

      • “A recent Brooking literature review” an Upper West Side way of saying “I don’t like the data, so I am going to re-interpret it to suit me.” [Eye-roll]

        • You don’t give a rat’s behind about data, nor do you know any. The modern American conservative movement is based on mindless truthiness that comes from the gut. Whatever Hannity and Limbaugh tell you.

          For example, Republicans want to attribute to the Reagan tax cut all of the normal cyclical rise in GDP growth after the 1981-82 recession. In actuality, revenues as a percentage of GDP fell under Reagan from 19.1% of the economy to 16.9%. That’s how tax revenue is truly measured, not just some raw number. Furthermore, and especially, conservatives want to attribute to the tax cut the effects of the sharp cut in interest rates by the Fed and the big increase in federal spending for defense and other Reagan deficit spending. They also want to give credit for any rise in revenues from Reagan’s tax increases, to his tax cut.

          Conservatives like to claim that nearly 40 million jobs were created between 1982 and 2000. However, that time period also includes the Clinton years—and Clinton reversed some of the Reagan tax cuts and increased the top tax rate to 39.5 percent. The economy boomed anyway, and Clinton outperformed Reagan on job creation. Ironically, Reagan actually trails Jimmy Carter on the presidential list of most jobs created per year (look it up).

          Otto the goat started this conversation with his little graph. The point is, that with inflation and interest rates where they’ve been for quite a while, Reagan’s policies would have been completely inappropriate for the economic circumstances that Obama inherited. Not that they were any screaming hell then either.

          • Look at the mis-direction and screeching, not to mention non-sense. If a single innocuous sentence from me can provoke entire screeds from you and your little friends, here, maybe you should reconsider your belief system. BHO is economically inept. That is my assertion for this thread.

          • If all you have is a single innocuous sentence to back up your beliefs, you might want to consider where they come from and how viable they are. We thought we could engage you. Instead, all you have to say is that “BHO is economically inept”, and “that is my assertion for this thread.” Absolutely no thought processes or reasoned data to back yourself up.

            Let me get this straight. You actually believe that “a single innocuous sentence” from you (based on sheer bullsh!t) that provokes responses, somehow justifies your political beliefs and disproves ours. And this is from “Mr. data.” I’d rather debate Otto the goat. His values may be horrid, but he’s got you beat in every other way.

            You want to elevate the level of discussion here Phil? Then just leave, and don’t come back.

          • Sounds like you need to get a new brain – given that you’ve lost all your brain cells!!!

          • Your guess is as good as mine – but they escaped from what’s now empty space between your ears – you’re dumber than dumb.

      • Don’t forget that a big driver of the economy in the 1980s was the PC revolution. IBM announced the PERSONAL COMPUTER 6 months after Reagan took office. Reagan letting the recession linger for 18 months before he even enacted the tax cuts to try and kick start a recovery, dampened the start off of the PC revolution but that doesn’t change the fact THAT EVERY COMPANY that is a major player in today’s computing revolution – Like Apple, for example, was either born or greatly expanded between 1981 and 1985 – every single player that you read about today in computing.

        So when the economy took off in Reagan’s 2nd term, it had nothing to do with Reagan’s policies, in fact they actually dampened what should have been a skyrocketing economy – just like what happened with the DOT Com revolution under Clinton.

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