By Jason Sattler

Congressional Leaders Optimistic On Debt Deal Despite Differences

November 16, 2012 3:10 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 137 Comments A+ / A-
Congressional Leaders Optimistic On Debt Deal Despite Differences

After a an hour-long meeting at the White House, both Democratic and Republican leaders expressed optimism that Congress can strike a debt deal to avoid the combination of automatic spending cuts and the expiration of the Bush tax breaks on December 31, 2012.

However, the ideological chasm between the two parties remains as Democrats vow to end tax breaks for the rich and Republicans continue to demand huge spending cuts—also known in Europe as “Austerity.”

With its weak federal system combined with an uncertain commitment to its banks and huge spending cuts across the continent, Europe has just fallen into a double-dip recession. By keeping federal spending steady despite huge cuts on the state and local levels, America has avoided slipping into another recession.

Yet Republicans are intent on striking a deal that will duplicate Europe’s stark cuts.

“While we’re going to continue to have revenue on the table, it’s going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the American people that we’re serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma,” Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said after the meeting.

Though the Speaker says that “revenue is on the table,” he continues to suggest this revenue will come entirely from tax reform, which would count on increased revenue from “growth” or “dynamic scoring,” which President Obama has already rejected.

The president has proposed $1.6 trillion in new revenue – most of this comes from letting the Bush tax breaks for upper income households expire.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) called for “entitlement programs that fit the demographics of the changing America in the coming years.” This suggests that he’ll be calling for cuts to Social Security and Medicare. Cuts to these programs were reportedly part of 2011’s rejected “grand bargain.”

Both House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) expressed confidence that they will be able to reach a deal, ideally before Christmas.

However, the rank-and-file members of Congress may not share the leaders’ optimism. During the meeting, an aide to an influential House conservative told Talking Points Memo’s Brian Beutler, “the GOP conference is still much more conservative than it is moderate, and folks in the House are not going to compromise their principles because a Democrat-crafted and media-driven narrative told them to do so.”

Republicans are aware that a majority of Americans would blame them if the Bush tax breaks for the middle class expire.

Meanwhile, the president knows if he comes up with a deal that forces the rich to pay more, he can get away with cuts and entitlement reforms that his Democratic base would normally not accept.

But with neither side talking about including any short-term jobs spending or stimulus in the deal—which was included in the Simpson-Bowles Debt Plan—it seems that America will be facing Austerity on a federal level in 2013.

It’s just a question of how much.

Photo credit: AP Photo/Carolyn Kaste

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  • Sacre Bleu

    Republicans are just retarded.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      That’s The Very Reason Why We Will Stay United And Vote Every Election So These Crazy Rat Bastards Will Never Get In The White House For Years To Come!!! plus In 2014 We Will Get As Many As Possible Out Of Congress And All The Other Offices We Can!!! Some body Needs To Remind Them Daily We Don’t Want What They Want And We WON THE WHITE HOUSE!!! NO MORE TRICKLE DOWN BULLSHIT!!!

      • Justin Napolitano

        You tell them Fern!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        Kept the Senate, increased the number of Democratic senators and replaced Republicans in the House I believe with 12 new Representatives.

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          Yes!! Congress Like Always Are There Only For Themselves And The Rich 2% And The Rich Lobbyists, Plus Big Business, Big Oil And Corporations!!!

    • cconoboy

      Or they are mindless, which would make them immune to mind control, so why waste their time? Oh yeah, it’s not their own personal dollars.

  • Mimi2kool

    It is amusing to me that during the campaign, some of the Republicans criticized the President because they thought he was “too European” in his approach to economics. But now they want to impose on the US what failed miserably in Europe and made the economy there much worse. What is wrong with these people?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      They think that people that voted Democratic are as dumb and uneducated as most of their supporters are and that we will forgot all their lies, dirty politics and their willingness to let this Country become a 4th world country when 2014 elections happens.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B6RROC4IUESHT322QS5VJVPYRM Lynda

    Could somebody please explain to McConnell where the revenue running Social Security comes from. He seems to believe that Congress has something to do with it and seems unable to understand that the program is funded by the payroll tax and has very little, if anything, to do with the deficit. It seems to me that before the two sides can begin to have an intelligenct conversation, one side has to grasp the facts and believe in math.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/MT3DGXI6CT56MSJAYO3QLMJ3PY Nancy

      .i dont know what mitch watchmacallit thinks he is not in our world he is in his own little crazy world he is just so mad pissed off upset that after 4 yrs advocating that obama should only b a 1 term president and speaking so evil and bad about our president he just cant control his hate for our president can he he will never have respect for our president he is such an evil and mean man but we showed him in no uncertain terms that we didnt want a lier and a evil man who was going to take everything we all have worked for i am a senior on medicare and social security and by no means did i want this evil man to take that away from me and everybody else no good over came evil and i thank God for that

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OE3E5OTBJK2TXP7XJE2KVTARLA James D

        Give them Hell Nancy….out money is not Mitch’s or his oriental wife;s to bankroll with special trickle down tax breaks for themselves!

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

          you have it soooo wrong, the Government is the one that wants OUR money, by taxes & redistribution. Please become informed and quit buying into the propaganda that it is the wealthy that are the reason for your failures, that’s just jealously. In the American system we all have equal chances at sucess or failure.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

            BULL!

            Where you are born, what your initial conditions are, the early reactions you make, these skew things.

            People who are successfuloften try to make sure they keep the damn money unless they are required to give the next guy a fair shake.

            Government works for the nation. They get wages and collect funds to get it done. wastrels aside, this is work done for the rest of us, and it is funded by taxes!

          • sigrid28

            Then, it follows that you must be soooo in favor of increasing substantively the minimum wage, alleviating the need for programs that help the working poor who cannot pay rent and utilities and afford groceries and health care at the same time. Please become informed about this bipartisan solution. An increase would allow these working poor to utilize their “chances at success,” by having all of their family needs met by their own wages, paying more taxes, contributing to their own health benefits, etc.

            Of course, super wealthy CEOs and other executives would have to then put some of the profits that now fund their ever rising salaries back into their businesses and not into overseas bank accounts (to avoid paying U.S. income taxes on them). Quit buying into the propaganda that this economic fairness would not be good for the country as well as their own businesses, which would then be able to sell more widgets. I think at least $10 an hour is the lowest minimum wage to allow this significant portion of workers to no longer need government assistance. What do you think?

          • http://www.facebook.com/warren.nicholson.77 Warren Nicholson

            With the basic costs of house rent, food, insurance, cost of going to work and retirement savings(since they want to destroy Social Security). $15 per hour with a yearly increase is not enough for one, let alone a family.

          • sigrid28

            Agreed. Read below re: Social Security. Polly Scanlon’s post is both authoritative and reassuring.

          • meanderingmushroomman alsoknow

            and depending on which part of the country you live in minimum living wage is really closer to $12/hr and even then would not cover such niceties as decent health ins.

            and of course this shift towards enlightened self interest would then depend upon the top recognizing that, just as you say, in the long run more widgets would be sold since more folks could afford them and so a more profitable system would prevail.

            just look to the rest of the global economy and pick the model you think works best ~ it aint austerity nor is it the elite central control that the Chinese are now wrestling with.

            But unless or until those who profit most from the current system recognize it’s unsustainability it looks as if we are all going on a downhill ride real soon. OOOUUCH

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003098617214 Keiran Fallon

            I do agree that we need a higher minimum wage, I think it’s ridiculous that I can now make twice what i did 24 yrs ago but it gets me less overall. I agree that the tax breaks for the upper income should end, but I also agree that EVERYBODY needs topay taxes, too. They need to eliminate alot of the loopholes the truly wealthy use. Warren Buffet may donate a lot of money, but there’s all the money he gets under captitol gains that ISN’T taxed at the same rate as his other profits, that’s where he should taxed.

          • Tom_D44

            I think that increasing the minimum wage will make us even less competitive with countries like China and India and if you ever want to see jobs coming back to this country we need figure out how to encourage companies to come back to this country. How do you suppose we address that problem?

          • sigrid28

            You skip a step in opposing the case for a LIVING wage in the U.S. I advocate that. You must show that there is no need for changing the minimum wage in this country. Then we can argue about a plan.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/3WYWXYGKHRMUG2D26JDGF47UKE Ed

            10 dollars now would be in 1979 equal to 2.10 an hr.

          • sigrid28

            OK by me, Ed. Let’s make them scream louder. $10 an hour by 2012 standards.

          • http://www.facebook.com/gary.guerti Gary Guerti

            You are the one living in OZ. The History Channel is running the series about H P Morgan and other preditor capitolists. I would suggest you watch it learn about who wants your money and everyone elses, they even ate their own in order to have it all just to be the richest and most powerful in the world. The workers they employed worked for slave wages and were treated as if they were part of the brick and mortar, or like part of a machine, used untill it breaks then replaced, the common working man was an unending natural resource and used, working in the ultimate inhumane conditions ever concieved by man kind.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            Liar, we do not have the same equal chance to become rich. Only about 5 percent of us are born in to families that are rich and will inherit millions may be billions without having done one day of hard work. In this Country in most cases not even the parents of today’s rich did anything harder that sign a check or some kind of document their whole life they also inherited their money. When you are born into a family where the breadwinners are only paid minimum wage or in some cases less you are lucky to get a high school education let along go to College no matter how hard you try and how many jobs you and your parents work to try and give you a chance to go to College to improve your chances of being wealthy especially when you aren’t the only child. There has never been a equal chance for people born poor to be able to join the millionaires and billionaires just the middle class. I have seen people literally work their self into the grave trying to make that first million after they were born poor and still not be worth that first million. Truth be told you properly don’t even a own pot to cook in and rent your dwelling and do your postings from the public library computers.

          • sigrid28

            This is so true and just heartbreaking, especially the idea that some are working themselves to death, literally, in this unfair economy. Even the first million is hardly enough any more. Worth more than a million is the impulse to lend a hand, which we see when the nation reaches out to help true victims, such as those who lost everything in New Orleans or as a result of Hurricane Sandy. Plznnn’s posts do sound like a parody of a rich person, but then so did Mitt Romney.

          • progressivechristian1

            What chances does a does a dead or wounded veteran have of living a full life? Everyone has a chance at winning the lottery and therefore according to you everyone has an equal chance of being coming rich or famous or a great athlete or great artist or inventor? All capitalist know that money makes money. Poor people know that poverty creates poverty and current American system has very different laws for all ofus based on wealth and position. We all know it and see it everyday. That drug company killed 32people are the owners in Jail? Are ever going to go to jail for more than 20 years?

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Plznnn…Oh puhlease…The wealthiest billionaires ARE the problem. They pay 16% in federal taxes and then stuff their moolah in offshore tax free havens and then demand WE close the gaps that $33 trillion they’ve hoarded has caused? People who live in denial have a reason to do so…they are part of the problem…not part of the resolution.

            When Eisenhower was president the number of “billionaires” was a fraction of what it is today and then, they paid 91% of the federal taxes they owed. Today, it’s 16% and that doesn’t begin to count the treasure trove of tax subsidies they apply for to reduce their corporate and income tax debts. They owe…it’s time for them to put up AND shut up. We’ve all seen how their wealth for the last dozen years hasn’t created a single job or increased hiring…Sorry…time to get some heads out of nether regions and start fessing up.

            We don’t need to help build more reckless, irresponsible Wall Street billionaires if the only way they get rich is by destroying a country.

          • bob eddy

            We’re talking about Social Security. SOCIAL SECURITY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFICIT…in fact it has a SURPLUS of almost $3. Pe’rhaps it’s YOU who needs to needs to walk away from the right wing propaganda. Like the thinking that liberals are some how jealous of the wealthy..There are quite a few liberal among the wealthy, you know…Oh, you didn’t know! Not surprised!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Joan-Maurer/100000910841619 Joan Maurer

            Really? You believe that “in the American system we all have equal chance at sucess or failure”? So the child who graducated from Inner City High has the SAME chance at a Ivy school degree as the child who graducated from Woodlawn Prepatory?

            Please share your story with many of our lower income families where the children attend school hungry if at all. Too many of our homeless are children – do they have an equal chance?

          • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EGZISU74WFGLJXAAAUSTSXDNRQ PaulineG

            Joan: You said it all!

          • Wilbur Moore

            your so lost you can’t even post your real name! It’s a fake just like you. Your not rich nor smart,if you where you would serve the nation that you and your kind are trying to rape!!!!

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/W47EPFNKKVMMLR4VV2QEFWOBAY Janet

            Decency and reality escapes you!

          • RobertCHastings

            You are so in la-la land. We do not all have the same opportunities, or even equal chances at success or failure. You are evidently one of those, like McConnell, who would tell us there are 100k jobs out there for the asking and anybody who wants one can have. Do the math! If everyone had a 100k job, how much would 100k be worth? Certainly not 100k! Do you understand how redistribution has worked over the past thirty years? Probably not, but try looking at charts that show which segments of society have seen their slice of pie increase over that period and what segments have seen stagnation. Redistribution HAS, indeed, happened, except not in the direction you seem to think.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1668320278 Sylvia Butler

        I hear you Nancy! I am on SS and Medicare too! We really need to talk to our children about getting involved because it sound as if they are going to stop people at 55. What going to happen to them when they get retirement age?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          It will go back to the way it was for the poor and elderly in the 1700,1800, 1900 and years further back, they will live in shacks if they can afford them, die from a common illness than could have been cured if they had had money to get medial attention. Be on the street corner begging for food and they will in most cases die of starvation or exposure. That is what the Republicans and rich want to happen to anyone that doesn’t have gobs of money. They want the same to happen to most of the people that vote for and back them. Once a Republican has your vote, you are like a spice of dandruff on his shoulder, you will be brushed off and forgotten about until the next election if you are still alive.

          • jarheadgene

            Yeah…and the saddest of all this is the very rich and powerful pay their minions like (O’Reilly, and Hannity, and Limbaugh – all brainwashed turds) to convince others that they are living and part of the “FULL” American Dream. I have to say….”DAMN” for a Hillbilly you sure make a lot of Common Sense. The Plutocrats have no shame.

      • Wilbur Moore

        I agree with you Nancy. I am 62 and worked hard for 33years with injuries i got in Vietnam. I need everything i worked hard for and this has nothing to do with the two wars that Bush started and did not pay for!

      • 2golfer1

        Nancy; In ky. he is mitch the bitch.We will only have to put up with him for 2 years then he is gone ,the people will vote him out ,and elect Ashly Judd

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

      “Everyone” knows that S.S. & Medicare are broke and will run out of funds very soon. Obama had 4 years to deal with it, but he ignored it completely, focused on Obamacare, not the economy or S.S. & Medicare.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/GGHNYPK4GNCRYZLXWVZ447WHJM Plznnn

        Replying to James, You have it sooo wrong, the Government is the one that wants OUR money by taxes & redistribution. Please become informed and quit buying into that propaganda that it is the wealthy that are the ones that are the reason for your failures, that’s just jealously. In the American system we all have equal chances at sucess or failure. The other option that we are headed is a cap on your sucess, a cap on your wealth, the Federal Government controlling your life and everone elses.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          Plznnn, Have you ever checked into the financial worth of the members of Congress? This was what it was the last time I checked it, which I do regularly,. Over 3/4 or more of the Republican members of Congress are millionaires, or multimillionaires and some are billionaires if you include their other halves money and don’t want the taxes raised on the rich. Over 3/4 or more of the Democrats in Congress are millionaires or multimillionaires and there are a few Democrats that would be billionaires if their other half’ money was included and want the taxes on the Rich raised. In 2010 Warren Buffet the billionaire and over 40 other millionaires and billionaires asked Congress to not extend Bush tax cuts they wanted to pay their fair share of taxes. Republicans blackmailed the Democrats so the tax cuts were extended again. So you are the one buying into the lie that the Republicans are good for the Country and every other party is bad for the Country. Being rich, or millionaires is this country is a very remote possibitly for most of the people that live here. We are able to live better than our parents were in most cases to become millionaires, only if we invent a better mouse trap, win the lottery, marry into money or has some rich relative that we didn’t know about die and leave us a few million. I am not jealous of rich people but I resent the likes of Ryan and the rest of the rich that are like him and Romney and don’t want to pay their share of taxes. I respect and admire people like Warren Buffet who are willing to pay their fair share of taxes and the Democrats in Congress that are rich and are willing to pay their fare share of taxes

      • tmcerc

        Sorry to tell you, Obama was in office 4 years, but the Republican controlled Congress only let him work the first 2, the last 2 years they wouldn’t let him do nothing. It looks like this bunch is going to try the same the next 4 years. They are a sorry bunch, I’m glad I didn’t vote for them.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        The Republicans had 12 years total to help keep Social Security and Medicare solvent and did nothing except give themselves raises, more perks and cut taxes for the rich not once but twice, start two unfunded illegal wars,and put this country into a deep recession. They also rewarded big corporations that moved American jobs overseas by paying their moving cost, giving big tax breaks when they moved the jobs and making sure that these same corporations got part of the money that was sent to these countries as foreign aid.Oh I forgot one other thing shut the government down when Clinton was President because Gingrich got mad because he had to set in the back of the Presidential plane.He told this in one of his books and restated it during the Republican primaries.
        Plznn the Republicans won the House in 2010 on their promise to help create jobs. Do you remember when they finally got around to jobs and what they did to help create jobs? They finally remembered their job promise in June 2010 5 months before the election and what did they do to help create jobs, not one blooming thing, they even voted down and filibustered down a bill introduced by one of their members that would help returning military more and help more discharged vets find jobs. The sorry excuse for not passing the bill, it would have made the President look good and help get him reelected. Sorry excuses for human beings

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      That Old Rat Bastard Needs To Get The Hell Out Of Office, And I Believe Ashley Judd May Give Him A Run For His Seat In 2014!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        One thing for sure Ashley has shown Kentucky in a better and more positive way than McConnell ever has or ever will

        • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

          You Got That Right My Friend!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1668320278 Sylvia Butler

      Lynda he is a an asshole like the rest of them! That is our money coming from our paycheck! (FICA)

    • montanabill

      Just so you’ll have some facts are your disposal, look up the number of Social Security beneficiaries that never paid into to the system. Then determine exactly how many years you can collect SS after you start taking it before you start to exceed the amount you and your employer contributed. Might come in handy if you ever really want to do the math.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        Since you have never been one known for posting the truth or knowing the truth do you think that anyone believes anything that you and your hater buddies post.

        • montanabill

          Most things I post can be verified by independent research, usually directly from government sites unless they come from direct personal experience. Those that won’t do unbiased research, simply want to remain content with their prejudices.

    • Tom_D44

      Lynda, you are only partially right in what you are saying. Unlike when you pay, yourself, into your IRA, which is invested only in your name, SS works differently as I am sure you know. Those who are paying in today, are funding those beneficiaries of today. So when Clinton was running around touting his grand mastry of debt control, he was a beneficiary of a SS fund which was flush with cash because it was taking in more then it was paying out – and he used that surplus to create his budget surplus. But today we have more people taking out of the fund than paying in. How does that not add to the current annual deficit? And what do you do now? Where do you get the money from to pay out all of these benefits? Now if congress had been playing nice with our money and investing the surplusses as we had them, then that would have been nice. But instead they raided it, frequently, to pay for other things and now it is no longer there. Shame on them – both democrats and republicans. But if the system can not last based on the imbalance between what is coming in and what is going out, changes will have to be made because of the burden on the budget. And since we are currently running over a trillion dollar deficit now how do you propose we deal with this? Print more money? Borrow it from China? Or the FED?

      So what is the solution for this problem as you see it? And if we do nothing what happens if the entire system collapses for those who are on it right now and dependent on it to live?

  • montanabill

    The Republicans ought not to talk about one single penny of new revenue until the President has put some real spending cuts on the table. He talks about a ‘balanced’ approach, but can anyone define a single item he is willing to cut?

    • feeeo

      He won. They lost. He doesn’t have to compromise squat.
      Let the budget fall off the (phony) fiscal cliff.
      Let’s see whose pig squeals first!

      • montanabill

        Seems to me they still have their majority, so apparently they didn’t lose after all. But I’ll be willing to take my tax increase if you are willing to take yours. I am assuming, of course, you pay taxes.

        • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

          Montana, the President championed the MEDICARE $716B savings and the elimination of unnecessary DOD programs to reduce deficit spending and accumulation of debt. He was maligned for it by the GOP during the presidential campaign, with the GOP promising to restore those spending reductions if Romney was elected. The issue is not whether or not the President is willing to reduce spending, the decisions I just mentioned and the fact that the civil servant workforce is down by almost one million workers from its high in the Reagan era, prove he is committed to deficit reduction. Unfortunately, spending reductions alone are not going to balance the budget. We must increase revenue to cover outlays, and under no circumstances should balancing the budget be attempted on the backs of our most vulnerable citizens to allow the super rich to enjoyr ridiculously low tax rates they don’t need and make no difference in their investment decisions.

          • montanabill

            Dominick, he didn’t cut any spending. He simply moved $716 billion from one program to another, an even bigger spending program. The work force may be down somewhat, but to my knowledge, not a single agency’s budget was reduced.
            The President is very specific about who and how much for his tax increases, but has not put a single spending cut on the table for examination. He keeps talking about reducing the deficit by $1 trillion with new taxes, but mostly fails to mention that is over a 10 year period where the actual deficit, at his current spending rates, is still over $1 trillion per year, resulting in a $9 trillion increase to our national debt over that time.
            The easy way to reduce the $1 trillion / year deficit, is to quit spending more than we take in.

    • cconoboy

      It’s called compromise and if you would look at the grand plan that Boehner walked away from last year, you’ll see for yourself the budget cuts he was willing to make!

      • montanabill

        As I recall, he proposed reducing scheduled increases to smaller increases. That is not called ‘cutting’. However, if you know better, perhaps you could itemize the real cuts for us.

    • Justin Napolitano

      OK, Bill let’s start with cutting YOUR Social Security. How does that sound?

      • montanabill

        You could do that, but I donate it to charity. You see, I planned for retirement when I was young.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          Which Charity? I prepared for retirement also but after being laid off two different times because of tax cuts for the rich and the economic policies of trickle down, I now have to live on the money I draw from Social Security and a small pension. The trickle down policy you love so well, caused me to use all of my savings to pay rent, untilies, food and medical expenses both time I was laid off. If trickle down worked then I could be give more to charity and still live well and won’t be paying money back to my siblings that they gave to be able to have the necessities of life until I could draw my Social Security and pension. I don’t have to pay it back but I chose to pay it back There are many people that planned for retirement that now only have their Social Security to live on because of trickle down economics and the stock market crash on Bush 2′s watch. You and others sit up on your high horses and judge others and don’t even know why they are in the situation they are in. Judge not least you be judged”

          • montanabill

            Various veteran assistance groups. I, too, have been laid off, fired, and been made obsolete at times during my life. But each time, I made the decisions that either got me into a new career or allowed me to start my businesses. Everyone gets to where they are in life by their own decisions. You can have something of an excuse for not being where you would like to be if you are the victim of a medical problem or accident not the result of one of your decisions, but otherwise, dust yourself off, set your sights and get busy.

    • AdamMos

      In this scenerio the Republicans cannot and will not dictate anything. They have no leverage and if nothing happens then we are going to see serious revenues . Obama is going to govern the way we expected him to. He has no fear because he does not worry about re election.He is now the biggest nightmare for these Repubs. His legacy is already set. He will go down in history as the greatest American President if not the most transformitive since Lincoln.

      Not only has the president cut the deficit by $312 billion during his first term (so far), but he’s cut the deficit by $200 billion in the past year alone. And the CBO projected that the 2013 Obama budget, if enacted as is, would shrink the deficit to $977 billion — a four year total of nearly $500 billion in deficit reduction.

      So please save the rest of us with you nonsense. I realize that I am being unfair when using facts in this reply.

      • montanabill

        Democrat math. Increase the deficit by $1.4 trillion, reduce it to $1.2 trillion and call it a ‘cut’. His ‘reductions’ have cost us $6 trillion over the past 4 years.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          Fox not News and Rush Limbaugh lies, are all you have. Otherwise you would also post where your lies are coming from.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      Can you define anything that the Republicans are willing to raise and want to cut besides the things that help babies, children, disabled, physicality and mentally, returning vets, discharged vets and older citizens who have worked their whole live and now are unable to work. You are a perfect match for the Republican parasites in Congress, you want the ones with the least to give the most and the ones that have the most to give up nothing. Republicans are the ones that need to learn how to comprise not the President. Bush 2 tax cuts have been in effect for the rich for almost twelve years and have not created jobs that should tell the dumbest person in the world that they didn’t work and won’t work. You claim to be a business owner would you keep a product on your shelves for 12 years if it didn’t sell or work, no you won’t so why do you and people like you keep on yelping about tax cuts for the rich improving the economy, it hasn’t done it in almost 12 years and will never do it. If you are in business, you are a lousy business owner because you can’t understand a simple fact that tax cuts for the rich does not create jobs or improve the economy.

      • montanabill

        Every point you list is factually incorrect.

  • turtlewoman1039

    Insanity is defined as repeating the same actions but expecting a different outcome. Thirty years of trickle down hasn’t convinced the republicans that it is a failure, and now they want to emulate the Europeans’ austerity, but expect completely different results. They have no loyalty except to themselves and to the very wealthiest in this country, the same ‘patriots’ who whine about their tax ‘burden’ and who hide their money offshore.

    • http://www.facebook.com/RPManke.solar RevPhil Manke

      But yet, look how many poorer working folks and idots voted them in office many times. I know of one reasonably smart fellow that voted for the GOP for petty, minor issues. Said he was better off under Bush. I would call him a “low information voter”. Education is key to an informed electorate. Also, his ‘employer’ was his main source of info.

  • http://www.facebook.com/christine.karlovich Christine Karlovich

    The Re Pubs are all just Bohemian Grove Boys in drag

  • old_timer_37

    Republicans speak with forked tongues. They are pledged to Grover Norquist who wants to shrink the Federal Government to 1/4 of its current size. As long as they support this insane version of austerity, with their written oaths, they are simply destructive forces in government.

    The Bush tax cuts must be allowed to expire…particularly the elimination of Estate Taxes.

  • Richard Starke

    Increase the tax rate on the top earners. That’s what is required. Not a cut for normal earning human beings. We can’t afford it. The rich sure as squat can. I mean they used to pay at a higher rate pre-Ronald Raygun, so they sure and heck can pay more now. As Ben Stein says, his neighbors instead of having 2 or 3 Bentleys will just have to give one up. Surely they can do that. I’m a retired Federal GS-840-12 Nuclear Engineer who supported Nuclear Submarine Overhaul on Navy Submarines and I’m living on a take home pension this year of $1756. Next year it will be in the $1600 range because the cost of living doesn’t come close to keeping up with the true cost of living as my health insurance premium is jumping by $115 a month while I’m going to get a 1.4% cost of living raise. The health insurance premium increase is a around 6% of my pension, and the Republicans want to cut it more. Go after the rich who got all the tax breaks over they years. They need to pay and they can pay without hurting them one iota. If they don’t want to pay let them meet St. Pete at the Pearly Gates and try to buy their way in. I’ll bet he tells them that there are alternate accommodations available.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      They also paid higher taxes under President Clinton and the Country was in great shape. To me the majority of Rich people against tax raises are the rich Republican Politicans in Congress. When over 40 millionaires and a few billionaires like Warren Buffet tell Republicans to raise their taxes and they refuse, that should tell everyone that who doesn’t care if the Country stays great or becomes a 4th world Country.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IB2TJPG6GD7QQDFIUANWI3SKGA time for wake up

    Yeah we can see you want to go after the Disabled and elderly that is not a acceptable solution why not put the money back that Congress stole from Social Security to fund a Government Sponsored war on Afghanistan and Iraq for years that money did not come from thin air and Social Security did not just Disappear

    • Justin Napolitano

      The money for those wars did not come out of Social Security. The SS money is in a fund that contains special issue treasury bonds. There is about 2.5 trillion in the fund right now and it is earning interest. All excess SS money must be invested in special issue treasuries as is required by the law.
      There has never been any money taken from SS.
      SS is well funded for at least another 20 years without any changes so to say that SS must be cut to balance the budget is plain BS. SS is not the problem low taxes on the rich is.

      • sigrid28

        Information and sanity. Praise the lord!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        Justin you are wrong. Presidents and Congress have been taking money from Social Security ever since it came into being. It has been like their own personal piggy bank since Roosevelt introduced it and was the first to take money from it in 1940′s and leave an IOU with a promise of interest being paid also. Every President since then has taken money from the Social Security fund and used it for different things always leaving an IOU. When Ronald Reagan was President, he took social security money out of it’s own fund and put it in the general fund. He did this after he increased the amount that workers paid into Social Security 2/3 higher than by law it was suppose to be. Reagan then up on the advise of Allen Greensburg, his economic adviser, took the access Social Security money along with some of the Social Security already in the fund and used that money to make it look like his trickle down economics was working. Greensburg told him the money wouldn’t be missed until thirty years down the road and what would it matter then. All of this information and the rest I am fixing to write was reported in the Baltimore Sun and a book written by the last name Thomas(can’t remember his first name or the name of his book) sometime around 2007-2008 best as I can remember. After Bush 1 helped his Presidency to some of the Social Security money, He returned the SS money to its own fund. Tip O’Neill and Bush 1 worked on a bill and got it passed and Bush 1 signed it into law that made it unlawful to move Social Security out of its own fund and for Society Security money to be used for anything else if the money was used for any other reason, this part I don’t remember clearly but it like if it was used for any other purpose the person doing so shall be charged with theft. Never read any where that Clinton ever took money from the fund but there is proof that Bush 2 did it twice to make the National Debt look smaller under his watch. He also used the Social Security Fund as security for all the money he borrowed from China to fund his two illegal wars. Where did you get the information that no money had ever been taken from Social Security? Because that information is wrong, as said the Only President that I would say for sure that hasn’t been in SS cookie jar is President Obama. If The Congressional part and the Presidential part of the government repaid the money taken from SS and the interest owed, people on Social Security, that will be drawing SS down the road would not have to worry about going broke any time soon. I will add this I draw Social Security and I like history

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/IV74DGLCXHMSRZYGZIDANUSTGI frank v

    To be or not to be is the question ?

  • stcroixcarp

    Why do the republicans want austerity? Europe has it and it isn’t working.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      Republicans always want to do things that don’t work and ignore things to do.

  • suddencall

    Lets hope Obama gives them hell and they can call it cuts. No program cuts are available.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=704584370 Geraldine McBarker

    The national fiscal cliff is hard to pay attention to when individuals and families are facing their own, immediate, fiscal cliff. Mending the country’s bad habits of several decades is going to take several decades. Families (who are not responsible for the making of the fiscal cliff) who are facing financial difficulties cannot wait decades. There are two sides to the US financial situation – something must be done NOW to get people back to work, and something must be done CONTINUOUSLY to fix the national problem.

  • joujou228

    I hope President Obama starts by telling Mcconnel and Boehner that his starting point is letting the Bush tax cuts for top 2% expire .

  • Kurt CPI

    Neither Republicans or Democrats get it. First, to the democrats: We spend way more than we make. That doesn’t worry you? Fine, I have a great invesment opportunity involving a bridge in Brooklyn. To the Republicans: You can’t just cut off the programs that government has maed millions of Americans dependent on over the course of the last 40 or so years. Yes, Social Security is funded by payroll deductions – separate from income taxes. But how many of you know that every penny of income tax goes to pay what? The interest on foreign debt? NO! Not even. It goes to pay the interest on the US currency in circulation that is all “borrowed” from the Federal Reserve! What, you say? Not a penny of Federal taxes goes toward funding the operations of the Federal Government? That’s right – every federal paycheck, contractor payment, military purchase… is funded by borrowing money.

    So the solution involves cutting spending. It also involves raising taxes. But more than that it involves the realizatio on the part of all of us that the system has peaked and is no longer sustainable. We need to issue currency directly and pay back the Fed with their own worthless fiat paper. Then, let’s finance our obligations by raising taxes, but think how much money we’d have if we could actually use our federal taxes to finance our federal programs!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      Where did this information come from. I want to know more.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NPJRH4Y3AVX4JE4N3KCIIXCBQQ Newborn

    I live in Canada, and some of the pretences by GOP/Tea are simply not acceptable in this country not alone their arrogance after being put in their place in the election day. Furthermore, Americans should take a look at what their friends all around the world think : Canadians, Australians, Europeans, to start with. Even if it’s not our business, it is our business to remind them.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQ5LTH2XTZCVP7G4FGK6Z2YTJE ignore the facts

    Why and how is it that repugnicasn cannot see what happened in Europe with austerity? Are they that blind? Well, when you have company owners threatening to cut workers, cut hours, al to spite the American people – what do you expect. Sour grapes – but it’s very dangerous sour grapes. McCain is exhibiting the lowest of the low behavior. He needs to go home and sleep – and stay there. Along with McConnell. Another old fart who has no clue what the world is like now.

  • AdamMos

    Obama has them exactly where he wants them. The Repubs either deal or everybodys taxes go up. The repubs will be tarred and feathered by there own constituents if they insist on raising taxes on the middle class.

    Obama is the only one in the room not facing re election. This is all posturing and Obama will break out the Louisville Slugger for Christmas and that will be the end of that. God Bless the United States of America

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/VTV55S5BALQIDBQFOLH7WIZNSA Don B

    McConnell needs to be tossed out of Congress on his ear and made to go “look for work”. Apparently he can’t do the job he’s supposed to do in Congress, other than protect his rich buds.
    He needs to stop feeding at the public trough (our tax dollars by the way), and get an honest job—if he can find one after being a politician!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

      Don B McConnell is one of many millionaires in Congress.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

    “Dynamic Scoring” equals creative accounting.

    No cooking the books, please.

  • http://www.facebook.com/polly.scanlon Polly Scanlon

    Cuts in Social Security and Medicare won’t contribute a dime to the deficit until about 2035 since they are off-budget, self-funded by payroll taxes, not funded by general revenues, and the baby boomers will be starting to die in large numbers. Reductions or modifications in these Programs may actually not produce any savings at all.

    For example, delaying the age of enrollment in Medicare will result in higher numbers of SSDI applicants who were prepared to forgo Social Security payments for a while if they could get Medicare coverage at age 65 but when on SSDI they get both Medicare coverage and Social Security retroactive to the date of application since these programs are joined at the hip. Similarly 65 year old disabled spouses who have creditable private health insurance under their spouse’s group plan may prefer to retain their private health plan if they could begin drawing Social Security at age 66. A better solution would be to unlink Medicare and Social Security to encourage individuals to retain creditable private health insurance coverage if they have it through a spouse so that if disabled, they may begin drawing Social Security at age 66 and avoid Medicare coverage until the spouse retires. The working spouses of most elderly disabled dependents intend to work until age 70 and forgo both Medicare enrollment and Social Security benefits since their private health insurance coverage is preferable to that of Medicare both in terms of coverage and provider access.

    A reduction in the Social Security COLAs will result in higher numbers of beneficiaries seeking supplemental services such as Food Stamps, Medicaid other federally funded programs. And may actually jeopardize their ability to pay their required Medicare Premiums and co-insurance, let alone pay for rent and food. It is a hydraulic effect unique to social service programs – cuts in one part of the safety net always pop up as increased expenditures in other programs.

    The only real source of program outlays cuts is in the defense budget that needs to be redirected to technology solutions and reductions in forces. We do not need to have boots on the ground given the technological advances in targeting of missiles and surveillance using drones.

    • sigrid28

      Information (and back story), common sense, and compassion. I hope EVERYBODY on this comment thread is paying attention. I’m so grateful for the articulate way you pulled this together for us.

  • http://www.facebook.com/polly.scanlon Polly Scanlon

    Mr. Neopolitano –

    I am sorry but you are incorrect – both the Social Security and Medicare Programs Trust funds were in fact raided. Yes the bulk of the Trust Funds are held in Treasury Bonds but the funds made available by cashing these bonds as loans to the US Treasury and then diverted by the Bush Administration to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are secured with Treasury Notes, the same instruments securing the US debt owned by the Chinese. Even though these notes are backed by the full faith and credit of the United State, should the Trust Funds demand repayment of their notes held, the Treasury and this country would be bankrupt.

  • 1guy2

    McConnell is a wicked piece of humanity.

    • patuxant

      Leave off the word “humanity” and add Sh-t after the word “of”…HAHA!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_LC3EGL22LT62ZGAOKLWD2S4CLU likeit1

    WTFs up with McConnell. He should STFU already

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HKCTSVHCQJCJUU2VYCERLWWDE Richie T

    THEY LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    What part of that don’t they understand.
    The next elections
    Tues Nov 4, 2014 Mid-term elections.
    Tues Nov 8 2016.
    If they expect to keep ANY positions in Congress,
    They need to stop this “starve every citizen in this country,”and play the worlds police department.

    2011
    Of the total amount of money spent worldwide spent on it’s military budget The United State was #1 in this list. 42% China, #2 in the list, 7.2%, Russia 4.1%

    Shutting down, schools, hospital, cutting budgets, for fire and police departments.
    BORROWING money to build hospitals and schools in other countries. How much more screwed up can the Government of this country get?

    Keep blaming the Presidents, no matter how hard they try, they max out at 8 years to screw it up.

    CONGRESS;
    Lifetime;
    I looked it up, I should have bookmarked it.
    In history of this country, 95 members of Congress have been in office for more then THIRTY FIVE YEARS.

    They screw us over, the next time they come up for Election, do they get fired?, NO, why should they stop?.

    2010,
    Where was the economy?
    2010
    261 members of Congress were millionaires.

    How can they possibly understand what it’s like to have to decide between, the rent, the car loan, the electric, or the gas bill which of he two bills I should pay this month.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4HKCTSVHCQJCJUU2VYCERLWWDE Richie T

    it should be “playing” the Wolds Police Depart6ment

  • jnsgraphic

    The ‘compromise’ if Sequestration goes through, there will be a reduction of benefits and public services to reduce spending coupled with the increase in taxes to the rich = Austerity, resulting in overall economic growth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sompone.sakdy Sompone Sakdy

    LET BUSH TAX CUT EXPIRE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CVVNCBX2KNCHGWBHEXQM56VQKQ parmm

    “Austerity” – There goes the rest of what little security funding the consulates and embassies had.

  • http://www.facebook.com/harley.gibson1 Harley Gibson

    So the conservative republican perspective was repudiated by the defeat of Mr. Romney. The Market has recovered substantially from the crash. Shouldn’t our institutional investors, including the States and Federal governments be in a little better shape than four years ago? We’re not still bailing out banks and insurance companies. We’ve ended one war and are winding down another. Can’t we find some loose change somewhere to put towards infrastructure and health care. Or are the fat cats still pushing from the shadows and the People be damned? The re-election of Mr. Obama was a mandate folks. Accept it and move on. Pull you heads out of the sand (or where-ever) and get this country moving again. And, while your at it, suck up and admit that Bush cutting taxes for the wealthy while at the same time going off to two wars was as ill advised a move as any president has ever made. Look, we forgive you and want to start going forward. Is that better? Good grief!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CVVNCBX2KNCHGWBHEXQM56VQKQ parmm

    “Austerity” – Are they including their lifetime health insurance?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CVVNCBX2KNCHGWBHEXQM56VQKQ parmm

    “Austerity” – Is that including their lifetime government pension?

    • ExPAVIC

      Note

      Provided at their last pay grade. At his final pay rate, Ex-Senator Bob Dole has received over $8 million in retirement alone.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_CVVNCBX2KNCHGWBHEXQM56VQKQ parmm

    “Austerity” – Does this include the the Members of Congress privileges at the The Members’ Dining Room that we taxpayers subsidize?

  • ralphkr

    I greatly fear that Obama shall fall into the same trap that FDR did partway through his first term. FDR started listening to the moronic doom and gloomers after he had the US well on the road to recovery and decided to try and cut back on deficit spending and threw the US into a recession. Fortunately FDR was smart enough and had enough power to correct his error, renew deficit spending and thereby was able to double our GDP and halve our unemployment rate although it took nearly 6 years to accomplish that. The secret of good government is that it must spend money like water during the bad times while the good times call for severe austerity.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

    When is McConnell and the rest of the Brain dead Republicans going to remember the fact if a person has paid into a system for 50 or more years as the baby boomers have done are not drawing an entitlement but money that they have put in the Social Security fund since the first day they went to work. Remember history facts that when Reagan gave the rich big tax cuts in 1981,he raised the amount of money the baby boomers paid into the fund. He told the baby boomers he was raising the amount of money that we paid into Social Security 2/3 higher than they were suppose to be to help the fund and that the 2/3 higher amount would strictly be put toward the money we would draw when we retired. In other words instill of paying $20.oo to Social Security each week , I would pay something like $30. 00 to each week to Social Security and that extra $10. was the money that I paid myself for the time I got Social Security. Since 1981 through now the people working at that time have paid toward their time to draw Social Security and paid for the people that were drawing Social Security while we were working, Social Security is not and never has been an entitlement.
    If you want to cut something #1 Cut the outrageous salaries that members of Congress are paid because you are never doing the job that citizens elected you to do, you are to busy raising money for reelection and being overly friendly to lobbyists and special interest groups and don’t deserve the salary you are paid.#2. Do away with all the perks that Congress has awarded themselves with out any in put from the voters should save about 20 to 50 million dollars a year.#3 No one is entitled to a lifetime pension after only being in Congress 5 years. Workers in the private sector don’t draw pensions after only 5 years of work neither should people that were only in Congress for 5 years that includes future, present and past members of Congress. #4. If members of Congress want to have congressional health insure then offer them the same type of insurance that lowest paid citizens of this Country have, none, no free medical treat at federally funded hospital like the VA unless they are a veteran and that goes for their families. and the most important way to save money is for there to be term limits for the member of Congress just like there is for the President.
    The founding fathers from what I have read about them and the Constitution never meant for Congress to be a career for anyone. A fact that today politicans ignore completely, How long has McConnell, and the rest been in office?

  • http://twitter.com/Theo_is_SNAZZ Theo McKinney

    First Tea-O-P spending cut: STOP DEFENDING THESE ILLEGAL MARRIAGE BANS!!!

    (they cannot win in federal court, as fatr as any court so far has determined. That is no accident, folks!

  • roseviolet

    Are the House Republicans living in an alternate reality? They seem to have their own facts, their own ideas how things work (despite lots of proof to the contrary), etc. I mean, geez, I want lots of things but that doesn’t mean I’ll get any of them or even that some of them are POSSIBLE (such as being cured of currently incurable diseases).

    If they were kids wanting to be firefighters, dancers or astronauts I’d say it was cute how they didn’t quite grasp reality. Since they’re adults *and* our elected leaders supposed to be helping do things like figure out national budgets, it scares me and makes me worry about things like what I call “chosen ignorance” and the possibility of delusions, drugs or dementia. Maybe they ought to be using that really good health care they let themselves have – but not the public – and going in for neuropsych checks, just to be sure all is well. This would at least narrow it down to “chosen ignorance”.

  • bcarreiro

    an hour long meeting ………….that is all the “manhours” boehner has worked all year.

  • http://www.facebook.com/irene.redecke Irene Redecke

    Before any Social Security or Medicare cuts are made, the people should know what they are
    so that THEY can decide which ones go and which ones stay.

  • oldnick2

    The Republicans have planned their work; and now, they are working their plan. They have for their goal the elimination of what they call entitlements, those of the New Deal and of the Great Society–Social Security and Medicare. Think about it. That’s their goal.

    At the end of the Carter administration, our national debt was $9.9 Billion, under a $Trillion. That’s as close to zero as anyone now living will ever see again in their lifetime. Eight years later, at the end of the Reagan administration, the national debt was $2.6 Trillion, an increase of 187%, almost triple. When George H W Bush left office four years later, the national debt was $4.1 Trillion, up 56%, almost double. When Clinton left office after eight years, the debt was $5.7 Trillion, up 40%, reflecting budget carryovers from G H W Bush; and his budget was balanced with an approximate $250 Billion surplus, foreseeable for years to come. When Dubya left office eight years later, the surplus had completely disappeared and the debt had increased 77%–almost doubled. The national debt then was $10 Trillion, up 1,004% from the beginning of the Reagan administration. Essentially, this was done under twenty-eight years of Republicanism at the end of which they left us with a financial collapse unsurpassed since 1929, and they are now talking austerity? Now they want to all of a sudden reverse twenty years of Republican spending and throw the country under the bus of depression just to fulfill their ideological ambitions and laissez faire capitalistic greed?

    Let there be no doubt. We must eliminate the deficit, balance our budget, and pay our debt–both government and personal; but this must be done slowly and with much thought–not with a meat ax like a bull in a china shop. Whatever we do, however, we must keep social security, and we must have national healthcare for all, and we must begin to live within our means. Income taxes must be based on the principle of ability to pay as it was originally designed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Myers/100001512942781 Jim Myers

      Replying to oldnick2 -

      The main item you neglected to mention is that the Republicans are not interested in “austerity ” when there is a Republican in office.

      As Dick Cheney stated with smug pride, “RONALD REAGAN TAUGHT US THAT DEFICITS DON’T MATTER.”

      (Except when there is a Democrat in the White House.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/donald.breaux2 Donald Breaux

    tell mitch to put back all monies stolen from SS and medicare with intrest!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walter-Gregory/1390006447 Walter Gregory

    We are a nation that is governed by the people. Right? We “the people” are the “EMPLOYERS” and Congress is made up of “EMPLOYEES”. Therefore, we have a right to cut their “government supported” healthcare benefits. How is it that an employee can cut or even controle what is needed by the employer? If we “the people” allow this farce to continue, then we deserve what mess will be created by the “self serving” GOP in the House. Wake up America! We have a right to demand that the wealthy pay their fair share of the cost to keep our ecconomy healthy. If they realize that we can and will excersize our power as “the people” then, mabe they will began to act like they have some sence.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DDT2KYK5ELQZ3ASJOHYKVPULHQ GABRIEL

    THIS TIME AGAIN, LET ME SOUND THIS WARNING TO THE REPUBLICANS; THE MAJLORITY OF THE PEOPLE ARE BIENG SHIFTED TO THE DEMOCRATIC THINKING. IT IS HIGH TIME THE GOP BENT AND REASONING WITH THE MAJORITY THAN THEM LOOSING MASSIVELY IN 2016. THIS IS GABRIEL’S PROFECY

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    the DEMS are and want to cut 1 $ trillion from defence spending . thats money that the defence never even asked for . but the GOP ding dongs wanted the ANTI-CHRIST ROMNEY to be in the house and add a $trillion to the defence that thy wasnt asking for . and then a 20% tax cut across the board . ok brain dead GOP ding dongs where was that money going to come from ? the GOP ding dongs are a self-destroying bomb for thisd country . and as soon as thy are out of offices can the country then more foward . look how much money the greedy bastards 2% spent to try to buy the house to get the ANMTI-CHRIST ROMNEY in so he and the GOP ding dongs can start diging the grave for the country . picking up where the dirty Bush left off

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    it’s going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the American people that we’re serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma,” Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said after the meeting.//// Jack-off Boehner you could give a rats butt about what the ppl. want . you want only for the few the 2% greedy bastards. id bet a lot of to all the GOP ding dongs have off shore accounts that the greedy bastards are filling up for them trying to buy what thy cant in the opoen then thy try to buy behiond the doors and out of sight . didnt work for the house but thy will keep trying . thy are playing on the GOPding dong to become greedy bastards such as them selfs

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    The potential consequences of an austerityprogram designed to balance a budget through spending reductions to avoid a modest increase in the tax rate applied to the wealthiest Americans is likely to have the same results as the demands for austerity imposed by German Chancellor Angela Merkel on other European countries. That is, the collapse of the economy, record high unemployment, and social chaos.
    Our social programs are not the reason for the problems we are having, Social Security and MEDICARE are funded through FICA taxes, not the general fund. Social Security is not only solvent, it is still running a surplus. MEDICARE does use general funds to offset the consequences of the 2003 Part D reform, but that circumstance is not a major factor or the reason for deficit spending and the accumulation of debt.
    The United States government was running a surplus in FY2000, that surplus evaporated as soon as the Bush tax cuts were put in place. Pretending that those tax cuts had nothing to do with the resumption of deficit spending is an outright lie. Those irresponsible tax reductions are the reason receipts are insufficient to cover outlays. To make matters worse, the alleged goal of the tax breaks which are, purportedly, designed to stimulate the economy and create jobs, never came to fruition. Smoke and mirrors, deceit, and greed, facilititated by ineffective regulations and financial controls created a bubble that proved to be as flimsy as a house of cards, and that eventually collapsed on its own weight. If that was not bad enough, it produced one of the most dismal job creation records in modern history.
    Republicans want us to ignore the root causes of the fiscal and economic crises we are finally overcoming and, incredibly, continue to insist on the retention and extension of some of the fiscal follies that created the worst recession since the Great Depression.
    Nobody is proposing to go back to the tax rates that were in place when President Eisenhower was in office, or even the tax rates we had in the Reagan era. What is being proposed is a modest increase in the tax rate for the wealthiest Americans identical to what was in place when President Clinton was in office. Those tax rates, coupled with the benefits of an unprecedented period of industrial, technological and economic expansion, created a record 23 million new jobs and benefitted every segment of our population, including the wealthy.
    Suggesting that the way forward is to balance the budget on the backs of our most vulnerable citizens, seniors and the young, so that multimillionaires and billionaires can continue to enjoy tax breaks that for most of them make little difference in their investment portfolios and plans, is mkorally wrong and economically untenable.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RGOUPZ3JYNMPBVOHLZRCRVRD6Q ivory69690

    Both House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) expressed confidence that they will be able to reach a deal, ideally before Christmas.

    However, the rank-and-file members of Congress may not share the leaders’ optimism. During the meeting, an aide to an influential House conservative told Talking Points Memo’s Brian Beutler, “the GOP conference is still much more conservative than it is moderate, and folks in the House are not going to compromise their principles because a Democrat-crafted and media-driven narrative told them to do so.”/// then for the GOP ding dongs the country and its ppl. are going to see you for what your trying to do . and thats stoping the country from moveing forward . and it will be the ppl. of the country that vote you out of office the next election. and then when the ppl. and the country gets ppl. in office that wants to help the country . we can move forward . seems to be one would have tyo get rid of the party of no to get the country to move forward. and as the party of NO has done and stoped the country from moving forward. with less of the ding dong GOP in office then we can move foward. the GOP being so prode it seemed to vioce on the country,s news that thy was going to do everything thy could do to make sure Pres. Obama didnt get a 2nd term . OOOOPS whast happen ? well for that white hooded dress wearing idiot that burns crosses in the feilds McOconnell, how can the ppl of the coutry let that hateful POS stay in office ppl. get rid of the evil hateing SOB . he i figed. was voted in to office to movr the country foward not put it at a stand still . how casn he be payed to just block every thing from the haste he has in him . he,s just down right evil . must be the brother of the ANTI-CHRIST ROMNEY

  • progressivechristian1

    What happened to the pursuit of happiness? Technological progress means more people have to work longer, be less healthy, more poorly educated, fearful of old age, have shorter vacations, have lower paying and unsatisfying jobs while a few get stinking rich and guarentee that their children and grand children will never have to worry and can roam the world looking for a good time and/or easy profits? America defeats communism destroys the arts, public parks, the spirit of the common good and decides the “business model” is the new national religion.

    Mitch McConnelland the rest I want to know what is the value of one veterans life? What is the cost to the family of one wounded soldier? These are the real high taxes paid by the poor and middle class. This is the first war in American history where the wealthy have not paid their fair share in terms of both money and blood. They have had 10 years of tax cuts and what have we gotten? The rich owe us at least 10 years of tax increases to pay for what they done to the majority of Americans. Our veterans fought and died for decades so we all could have a good life not just a few lucky ones. God blessed us all and those that received more are asked by God to care and support those that received less. Isn’t that what the Bible says?

  • progressivechristian1

    Exactly and today low level worker are forced to work on Thanksgiving Day which we might call a national religious holiday but apparently under the new American system it is a national day of forced labor?

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    When they call SS, Medicare and Medicaid “entitlements” it’s a GOP ploy to make it appear to be a freebie. How free are these if every payroll your paycheck is deducted for these much needed programs?

    The joke is that if we followed the GOP stream of consciousness, those payroll deductions wouldn’t support a single program Americans need and want but would rather support a Worry Free Wall Street…freebies like no worries about another crash no matter how reckless their gambling on high risks become, freebies like CEO salaries that NEVER EVER stagnate and their bonuses constantly increase all while the taxes they are supposed to pay don’t. This whining about having to pay ANY taxes by the rich is about enough already. What are we doing? Pandering to a bunch of mentalities who demonize those who are struggling to keep the 1% rich? And just how do the 1% do that if not by lowering their taxes and raising ours to pay our federal bills?

    They wouldn’t have the world’s highest CEO salaries if they didn’t budget for them before they pay their corporations bills…These Looters don’t get it. They pay themselves before they pay what they owe and then have the gall to demonize those they’ve stiffed and ripped off because there’s no more money to hand them for tax subsidies and our federal debt continues to grow.

    Boehner and McConnell just don’t get it. You can’t reduce taxes to 16% for the highest incomes and then somehow, magically, debt won’t grow. Pay your fair share and shut up already.

  • http://www.facebook.com/james.fields.503092 James Fields

    When Banks failed they wanted taxpayer money and also to give the men and women that were running the banks a 6 figure bonuis. To answer the question that congress has been talking about
    The National Debt incressing the debt is not the answer. Aduit what you have been spending money on to the last dollars. Give the report to the TaxPayer along with if you agree on how the money was spent.
    No new spending, cut Goverment spending and size, go back to the pre Bush tax, cut you staff and your expences. Explain how each menber of congress used tax money.
    If you can give away moey that you have to borrow to other countries you have too much. Last mo. a storm hit the Nort East Coast did any one help the US but the Tax payers? If you want to help other nation write a check because you are part of the 1 per cent. Stop voting for bills that you will make money off of.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/V4O5VTGKNFSZ3H2GCM4OENUXAU Elijah o. Ombongi

    John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and their conservative colleagues in the republican controlled House of Representatives know very well that their manifesto was rejected by the voters. The Democratic and President Obama’s Manifesto carried the day and that is why the President won the elections with a huge electoral votes and the majority of the votes. The republican can not expect the President to implement a manifesto on which he was not elected. The republicans should therefore co-operate with the President so that he can implement the manifesto on which he was elected and the conservatives can be seen to serve their voters as well.

    There is no point procrastinating on this matter for ever and in so doing keeping the country’ economy on hold indefinately. When these conservative/GOPs stand for elections they promise the voters that they are going to work for them. Since 2011, these people have not been working for the voters otherwise the country wouldn’t be talking of a fiscal cliff. The budget cuts they propose have been tried in Europe including the U.K and they have been found wanting. Europe and the U.K are both in double deep recession from yesterday Friday, the 16th November, 2012. Austerity measures or budget cuts don’t work because they take reduce the consummers purchasing power, as a result spending by consumers is curtailed and businesses start to close down. This is what is happening in Briatain and elsewhere in Europe.

    The conservatives/republicans need to get over their bunker mentality and start to co-operate with the Democrats and the President in order to serve the electorate who elected them. If the economy does not improve, the President will take the flack, not the republicans, so they need to understand that it doesn’t do anybody any good by sturbonly holding back on the fedral budget and the other programmes that are meant to benefit the majority of the American people. John Boehner looks like somone who spends all his time drinking whiskey and then he goes to the House drunk. Boehner needs to understand that the country can not be held hostage at their whims for ever. During the mid-term elections in 2014, the GOPs/Tea party extremists will be held responible for any failure in government to deliver its programmes. They will pay a price for their procrastination in the House over the issue of spending and budget cuts and the fiscal cliff.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/V4O5VTGKNFSZ3H2GCM4OENUXAU Elijah o. Ombongi

    The Israel- Palestinian crisis is a painful thing to see and to read about. Bibi Netanyau of Israel has been itching for war for quite some time now. This war monger benefits from the raids and incursions into Palestine every time there are elections in Israel. Netanyau labelled Saddam Hussein an unstable leader in the Middle East. As a result George Bush invaded Iraq in the guise of destroying weapons of mass destruction (WMD) which were never there in the first place. Since, then Netanyau has focussed his bellicose language on Iran, labelling the Iranian Leader Ahmed Najahdi an unstable mullah who does not recognise Israel. Netanyau has tried for a long time to get President Obama to attack Iran militarily. President Obama has been reluctant to take American troops to unnecessary wars at the instigation of Bibi Netanyau. This is one of the reasons as to why Netanyau in his bonkers and stupid mentality openly supported and tried to campaign for Romney in the recent US elections. Having failed to get the US President to go to war with Iran, and because the Israel elections are due in January, Netanyau had to find a way of dragging Iran into some kind of conflict with the hope that America will respond. Netanyau sent the ever powerful Air force to assassinate the Hamas military leader so that there could be a crisis and Hamas will be forced to use missiles or rockets which Netanyau can then allege to have been supplied by Iran, which is what, is being said right now. Netanyau is a very unstable and psychopathic person. Over time it has become clear that every time elections are due in Israel Netanyau will start drumming for war, in this way he is seen as a strong leader who defends Israel and gets re-elected time and again. For how long are the Palestinian people going to suffer like this? Palestinians have no organised army because Israel has refused to allow them to have their own Army. They have no Air force or a genuine police force. This is why Netanyahu’s forces always find it easy to make incursions into Gaza or even the West Bank. World Leaders need to take the Bull by the horns and say enough is enough, and bring these two sides together to agree on a formula for Palestinian Statehood. The United Kingdom as a former colonial master should take a lead in this matter and persuade the US to support a UN resolution to solve this Middle East crisis once and for all. Israel should be prevailed upon to withdraw its force and to stop illegal settlements from Palestinian occupied territories. The basis of any future peace agreement should be based on the 1967 borders, so that Palestinians can have back some of their homeland back. Britain was the architect of all of these problems in the Middle East and should take a leading role in any negotiations between these two peoples. Israel should not be allowed to descend its military mighty on a defenceless people of Palestine year after year killing and maiming innocent children, women and the elderly in the name of removing rockets threat from the Gaza strip or even the West bank.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/V4O5VTGKNFSZ3H2GCM4OENUXAU Elijah o. Ombongi

    The Israel- Palestinian crisis is a painful thing to see and to read about. Bibi Netanyau of Israel has been itching for war for quite some time now. This war monger benefits from the raids and incursions into Palestine every time there are elections in Israel. Netanyau labelled Saddam Hussein an unstable leader in the Middle East. As a result George Bush invaded Iraq in the guise of destroying weapons of mass destruction (WMD) which were never there in the first place. Since, then Netanyau has focussed his bellicose language on Iran, labelling the Iranian Leader Ahmed Najahdi an unstable mullah who does not recognise Israel. Netanyau has tried for a long time to get President Obama to attack Iran militarily. President Obama has been reluctant to take American troops to unnecessary wars at the instigation of Bibi Netanyau. This is one of the reasons as to why Netanyau in his bonkers and stupid mentality openly supported and tried to campaign for Romney in the recent US elections. Having failed to get the US President to go to war with Iran, and because the Israel elections are due in January, Netanyau had to find a way of dragging Iran into some kind of conflict with the hope that America will respond. Netanyau sent the ever powerful Air force to assassinate the Hamas military leader so that there could be a crisis and Hamas will be forced to use missiles or rockets which Netanyau can then allege to have been supplied by Iran, which is what, is being said right now. Netanyau is a very unstable and psychopathic person. Over time it has become clear that every time elections are due in Israel Netanyau will start drumming for war, in this way he is seen as a strong leader who defends Israel and gets re-elected time and again. For how long are the Palestinian people going to suffer like this? Palestinians have no organised army because Israel has refused to allow them to have their own Army. They have no Air force or a genuine police force. This is why Netanyahu’s forces always find it easy to make incursions into Gaza or even the West Bank. World Leaders need to take the Bull by the horns and say enough is enough, and bring these two sides together to agree on a formula for Palestinian Statehood. The United Kingdom as a former colonial master should take a lead in this matter and persuade the US to support a UN resolution to solve this Middle East crisis once and for all. Israel should be prevailed upon to withdraw its force and to stop illegal settlements from Palestinian occupied territories. The basis of any future peace agreement should be based on the 1967 borders, so that Palestinians can have back some of their homeland back. Britain was the architect of all of these problems in the Middle East and should take a leading role in any negotiations between these two peoples. Israel should not be allowed to descend its military mighty on a defenceless people of Palestine year after year killing and maiming innocent children, women and the elderly in the name of removing rockets threat from the Gaza strip or even the West bank.

  • bob eddy

    I would be encouraged except for the fact that the Republicans have sung this song before only to change their minds (or whatever passes for a mind in that party) and leave us in the lurch.

    Boehner is already talking about taking more time. These guys just don’t seem to get it…The just spent a billion dollars LOSING a presidential election, several seats in the house and losing Senate seatorit after being so confident that were not only going to gain, but were going to take control, and winning almost as many gubenatorial races as they lost….And they STILL want to play games instead of getting down to business. Will it take the complete demise of the Republican party before they understand that they lost because they are incompetent losers?

  • http://www.facebook.com/debbinpink Debbie Brady

    I worked 47 years and payed out over $300,000. in FICA taxes. I am now retired and due to bad times since 2008 live entirely on SSI. I will never love long enough to collect all that I paid into this Insurance policy.
    This self funded Institution is not a barging chip Mr President. I will not accept any cuts into this program, that I paid into all my working life in order to have what It promised me , Safety from poverty in my old age.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_NZINBYX34LWE6DHK7NFNNPNHLI Milo

    The President can’t allow a deal to be made that cuts entitlement programs. It will compromise the well being of the poor, and elderly.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/W47EPFNKKVMMLR4VV2QEFWOBAY Janet

    The Republicans are off track again. “Folks (conservatives) in the House are not going to compromise their principles because a Democrat-crafted and media-driven narrative told them to do so.” The reason they should bend is that they lost the election to a citizenry who did not approve of their thinking, and how they did their job. It is quite obvious that these conservatives don’t care about the American people or the harm they are causing their party.

  • jarheadgene

    Hillbilly….you are “NAILING” it, as far as I am concerned. You are focused and hit, right back, at the heart of the lies the GOP would spread and want ALL minions and “less than” minions to believe.

  • feeeo

    I pay plenty of taxes and will be willing to pay my fair share to cut the deficit, but not if the millionaires get by with murder.

  • jarheadgene

    He would just retire on ALL the OIL LOBBYISTS money he has received…..And it is a MOUNTAIN’s worth. SENATOR Mitch McConnell is LAST CENTURY’S racist dividing politician……HE IS SO Done! Go away McConnell, the thought of him retiring in 2014 makes me salivate with anticipation; however, the thought of Ashley Judd kicking his A$$ is even more exhilarting. !!!

  • DavidSFA

    Obamanomics 2.0. Raise taxes on “rich” Americans, give taxpayer money to the unions and Acorn for their vote in 2016. America deserves Democrat leadership.

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