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Wednesday, March 20, 2019

In the latest example of the GOP’s “outreach” problem, Virginia state senator Steve Martin has ignited controversy by referring to pregnant women as “hosts” for fetuses.

Martin, who has an unapologetically anti-choice voting record, made his startling comments in a Facebook post replying to a Valentine’s Day message from the Virginia Pro-Choice Coalition.

You can count on me to never get in the way of you “preventing an unintentional pregnancy.” I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it. And, I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive. However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it to remain alive.

The other Steve Martin is a lot funnier.

Martin’s comments went viral on Monday after being reported by the Huffington Post, leading the fifth-term state senator to defend himself to the website.

“I don’t see how anyone could have taken it the wrong way,” Martin said. “It was me playing their argument back to them. Obviously I consider pregnant women to be mothers.”

As a general rule in politics, when you’re defending the fact that you don’t view women as hosts for parasitic fetuses, you’re probably losing.

The Huffington Post further reports that Martin edited the wording of the Facebook post on Monday afternoon, changing his description of the woman from “host” to “bearer of the child.”

While Martin’s comments are likely to creep out voters in Virginia and beyond, they may receive a better reception within the Virginia GOP. In fact, Martin seems right in the mainstream of the party of Ken Cuccinelli, E.W. Jackson, and Dick Black.

Coincidentally, Democrats have won five consecutive statewide elections in Virginia, and currently hold every statewide elected office for the first time since 1969.

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193 responses to “Is This The Creepiest Thing A Republican Has Ever Said About Abortion?”

  1. KrisCynical says:

    Why does this not surprise me at all?

    Ah, yes, it’s because I already knew politicians like him reduce my worth as a human being to an incubator with a pulse depending on the occupancy status of my uterus.

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    • stcroixcarp says:

      It is interesting that this guy used the word host. In the world of the natural sciences, the word “host” refers to the organism that unwillingly supports a parasite. The “host” is weakened and sometimes killed by the parasite. In a symbiotic relationship both organisms have adapted to a mutually beneficial relationship.
      I think Steve Martin’s mother was a host.

      • ralphkr says:

        Well, carp, I remember my youngest daughter’s doctor explaining why she had deathly morning sickness for nearly all day for nearly her entire time of pregnancy and also why she miscarried so often. She has a strong immune system. Immune systems protect the body by destroying foreign bodies and a fetus IS a foreign body with DNA different from the mother’s.

      • dpaano says:

        Unfortunately, he lived!!!

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      “Occupancy status of my uterus” that was the funniest thing today, right up until I envisioned a lady walking down the street with one of those neon “Vacancy” lights across her mid-section…

  2. 4sanity4all says:

    Do you think the fact that Democrats hold every elected statewide office in Virginia will cause Republicans there to re-examine their beliefs? Or will they just double down on being out of step with reality?

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

      Obviously (he says dripping with sarcasm) the reason the Democrats keep winning Statewide elections in Virginia is because the Republicans have not run “conservative-enough” candidates. There is no way that the party that has managed to piss off Women, Blacks, Hispanics, Retirees, Active Military, people under 30 and anyone making less than $50K a month should possibly lose elections for any other reason, especially in a state that is growing in population in all the aforementioned groups!

      • Jimmy Agler says:

        Didn’t you know? The ONLY reason the GOP ever loses an election is the conspiracy to rig the vote by the coalition of Soros,the black panthers and the Zionist banking cartel. They are of course all puppets of the New World Order(Very sarcastic intent here)

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

          But, Jimmy, don’t forget – the “New World Order” was first articulated by that bastion of Conservatism, George Herbert Walker (Pappy) Bush!

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          Wait! The Zionists are against the Republicans? Since when? Ever since Obama declined to kiss Netanyahu’s ass, the Jews have been strongly pro-Republican. It’s kind of funny, actually, seeing the traditionally liberal Democrat American Jewish community trying to do a one-eighty.

          • anne young says:

            All the Jews? Way to stereotype,dude. I guess supporting the Republicans is what we do when we’re not busy controlling the media, the banks, and all the money.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            If you say so, I guess that it’s true.

            Something accounts for the influence that two percent of our population has on our government.

          • anne young says:

            You would think so, since it’s obvious that your stunted brain cannot recognize sarcasm. I think our influence on our government has more to do with the fact that we , for the most part, highly value education and intellect. Those qualities tend to make one successful.Successful people have influence . You should try it sometime.

          • bhaggen says:

            She shoots; she scores…..GOAL!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Interesting that someone who uses a German symbol as his or her icon chooses to be a cheerleader for someone who thinks that the Jews are entitled to rule America despite their being only two percent of the population.

          • anne young says:

            Never,ever said that.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You came pretty close. In any case, you implied it.

            Two percent of the country calling the shots. Disgusting.

          • bhaggen says:

            Sorry, I didn’t realize I was being a cheerleader for anyone. Was it the pom-poms or the pink panties? Leck mir am Arsch!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I guess you wrote “Kiss my ass”. is it Yiddish or German?

            In my opinion, Du bist ein Aschloech.

          • bhaggen says:

            Es ist Deutsch, aber “Aschloech” ist Niederländisch. I guess you’re just a pitifully ignorant Amerikaner.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I think you hide behind sarcasm because you’re too dumb to engage in polite conversation.

            By the way, how does one say “Go fuck your self” in German?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Is that how it’s done? Interesting.

            As to your petty insults, I guess that i wasn’t ready for that kind of comment from a piece of shit like you.

          • Ron says:

            It is called MONEY. Pay attention to how much money is spent trying to get elected to a job that pays what a Representative or Senator makes. Ever since the decision that corporations are people the money has gotten staggering. After being elected they should all wear signs reading “Bought and paid for, brought to you by Insert largest donors”

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I agree with you. Our democracy has always been money oriented and the rich get to be the leaders.

            Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has made the contest even more unfair. This will I believe lead to an oligarchy and a civil war.

          • Ron says:

            I hope not but you may be right. The very rich have bought the system and laws written as they want. Example would be tax laws where someone like Mitt Romney paid around 13.5% effective rate while upper middle income earners (over 100K) pay over 20%. Yes I know that they pay a lot in dollars but the percentage is low due to loopholes and special rates on some incomes. As Warren Buffett stated his secretary paid a higher percentage than he did.

        • Sand_Cat says:

          You forgot the long-defunct ACORN.

        • dpaano says:

          JImmy…..you scared me there for a minute!!! I thought you had gone over to the dark side!

        • Barbara Morgan says:

          Isn’t a Zionist a person that is Jewish? During the 2012 elections seemed like the Zionist were trying their darn-est to get Romney elected not President Obama

    • terry b says:

      We all know the answer to your last question? They are called “The
      Crazies” for a very good reason. Fortunately the electorate doesn’t seem to be plagued with rampant stupidity that now plagues the republican party.

  3. Actually ,’I’ve said that many times since I consider fetuses to be parasites. that eat the bodies and brains of their female hosts.

    • awakenaustin says:

      Trying to decide which is more disconcerting, your knowledge of biology or your sense of humor. Not upset, just mildly perplexed.

      • daniel bostdorf says:

        This poster’s comment is intentionally “shock rhetoric” that these trolls post to enetrtian themselves, not us…their intent has nothing to do with community building or public enlightenment.

        It is all about them.

        So how should you deal with these types of “shock rhetoric?”

        Ignore them. These type of posters exist for the spotlight. Often ignoring them will either make them simply go away or they’ll say even more ridiculous things making them look foolish and desperate…..Like what was posted above…

      • daniel bostdorf says:

        This type of troll poster is known as a “schock rhetoric” troll.

        In addition, she is attemtpng to drive traffic to here blog if you click on her post…

        Her intent has nothing to do with community building or public enlightenment.

        it’s all about her…

        So how should you deal with trolls?

        Ignore them. Trolls exist for the spotlight. Often ignoring them will either make them simply go away or they’ll say even more ridiculous things making them look foolish and desperate. As demonstrated above…

        Don’t feed her by responding…

    • kmkirb says:

      The only thing I will agree with is I have also said many times that fetus’ could be considered parasites, only because they are not yet viable & have to survive through their mother host. The rest of your description is purely hateful & disgusting since they don’t eat bodies & brains.

      True, it is how they get their nourishment which can affect a woman’s health positively & negatively, but if the woman takes great care in protecting her health through her own nourishment, vitamins, & doctor check-ups, then she is also providing much better health to the growing fetus that will eventually turn into a viable child that lives all on its own outside of the womb unattached.

      The only reason I have used that term is to fight pro-lifers who insist that in the beginning a woman is murdering a clump of cells, which is not murder nor do those cells have feelings, & that only she should have the right to decide about whether or not to continue to allow those cells to finally grow into a fully formed baby, due to many reasons & circumstances in her life that affect no one else & is none of their damn business since it’s not their life. They have no clue as to what hardships that woman may be facing, be it healthcare, living situations, abusive spouse or partner or other family member they may be housed with, or financial, etc. It is not about denouncing or degrading any woman, which you have chosen to do with your comments, whom chooses to continue to carry the fetus to term into a fully formed & viable child.

  4. docb says:

    Every day the repub white males and their stepford wife types reveal how fearful and venal their repressive vile small mental capacities are. Disgusting trash — to be removed with vigor and disdain!

  5. daniel bostdorf says:

    The GOP never ceases to amaze me…until it gets as creepy as what State Senator Martin regurgitated:

    “You can count on me to never get in the way of you “preventing an unintentional pregnancy.” I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it. And, I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive. However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it to remain alive.”

    This is another example of a common GOP affliction called “chronic foot in mouth disease.” It is commonly also referred to as CFMD. It is most previlent in extreme right wing political candidates, and the Teaparty in general.

    There is no known medical cure for this ailment. It tends to be hereditary.

    Sufferers of this malady also tend to lack class and possess moral turpitude especially when surrounded by groups of people. They also tend to tell really inappropriate jokes that includes racist and or sexist comments…

    It’s real root cause is a complete lack of education that breeds insensitive and down right stupid statements.

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      I love this part…”I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it”…because women who are raped and become pregnant never do anything to prevent it, do they? Condoms never fail, do they?

  6. disqus_fsqeoY3FsG says:

    His mother was a “host” and gave birth to an idiot.

  7. terry b says:

    This man reminds me of Todd Akins who knocked off a decent republican senator in the primary. His comments on rape show a clear and compelling reason as to why the GOP is commonly referred to as “The Crazies”.

  8. jmprint says:

    STEVE MARTIN, YOU ARE A TOTAL IDIOT, LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE TO CARRY A FETUS IN YOUR WOMB FOR NINE MONTHS AND THEN MAYBE AT THAT POINT ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY, MIGHT BE CONSIDERED VIABLE. OTHERWISE HANDS OF WOMENS RIGHTS.

  9. elw says:

    That is really creepy, but wait until they find out what women have planned for the hosts of sperm, BAHHAHAHAHA.

  10. howa4x says:

    I think the big tent theory of the national GOP is officially dead. They have for years encouraged an anti women agenda and now want to apply the breaks, but the car is already rolling down the hill with none. The party itself has ceased to exist and now is just a clearing house for all the different groups that fund the party since they have the power to set the agenda. So Martin is appealing to the advocacy group that supports this rhetoric. Now a Club for growth score means more to a republican than anything coming for GOP central.

  11. wjgreen314 says:

    Where did that “HOST” language originate from? Who uses that kind of language to begin with?

    What do radical #Misogynist #Prochoice Women prosecuting the #WarOnWomen which kills 600,000 baby girls/year in utero speak of themselves as NOT [sic], in order to advance their Godless apologetic for filicide with impunity? Wait for it. . .

    HOSTS.

    Misinfans (haters of babies) insist that they are NOT HOSTS — language reminiscent of a parasitic/host, often lethal relationship.

    In other words the language of “host,” now making its way around the Blogosphere due to some recent pronouncements by VA State Senator Steve Martin, originates from Pro Abortion women themselves who WRONGLY describe pregnancy as a non-symbiotic, parasitically antagonistic relationship wherein their own-flesh-and-blood babies, like unwanted parasites, suck the life-blood out of themselves, the hosts.

    FACT: Parasites are NEVER the same species as their hosts and are NOT conceived into life by the union of two human haploid cells, one each from a male and female homo sapien, to form a homo sapien diploid cell.

    God Himself designed the human race to propagate itself solely by pregnancy which occurs as a result of consensual coitus (only 0.03% of all pregnancies occur by non-consensual coitus) between a fertile woman and man.

    Science, which Prochoice purports to love but is operating contrary to, denies that gestating babies are parasites sucking the life-blood out of their hosts, but instead, homo sapien babies gestating in utero have a mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship with their mothers; babies draw nutrients they need from their mothers to grow, just as you and I and everyone else did, and in turn, babies provide antibodies their mothers need to ward off diseases and illness during pregnancy.

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    • Sand_Cat says:

      Yes, we can all tell you’re REALLY, REALLY concerned about women and “babies.”

      • wjgreen314 says:

        First of all unless your “we” is royal, you can ONLY express your own opinion and YOU are the only one you speak for.

        Second. Concern can be objectively measured. What’s your greatest concern? Are you willing to sacrifice your own life for it? I am mine.

        If Godless Prochoice would cede the end of filicide with impunity and abortion would become a Class A Felony tomorrow I’d gladly give my life today for this to occur!

        Would you give your life to perpetuate filicide with impunity?

        • Paul Bass says:

          Have you adopted a special needs child? If not, you have no right to judge anyone…

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Are YOU a special needs child? If so, I’ll adopt you.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            So how should you deal with trolls?
Ignore them. Trolls exist for the spotlight. Often ignoring them will either make them simply go away or they’ll say even more ridiculous things making them look foolish and desperate.

            Be nice. Anger only encourages response. Something very short and to the point like “thank you for your point of view”. is enough. The more you say, the more you feed ‘em.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Now Daniel didn’t you tell at one time you had a hard time been nice to to people like wjgreen. and ignoring them. Who by way the is hard to ignore with his or her self serving sentence “I would give my life to stop abortion” The troll belongs in a white backward jacket and a padded cell.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            File your complaint with editors:

            editors@nationalmemo.com

          • kmkirb says:

            “or they’ll say even more ridiculous things making them look foolish and desperate.”

            Well the self serving creep has sure tied one on in this here thread Daniel, & we are all here to prove & expose him for the false prophet he is. A devil incarnate creep that gets a thrill out of demanding how others should live there lives, while picking & choosing out of the Bible what tickles his ears & gives him the warm fuzzies, while totally blaspheming & disregarding the rest of what Jesus & our Father God was all about. No hate, no pity, no BS, just pure empathy, sympathy, caring, love, & light. But in all probability this cretin goes out & rapes women & then tells them they must carry the devil’s spawn.

            That’s why he is so against a woman deciding what is right for her life. The woman who has a life, who is breathing on her own, with nerve endings & a brain for feeling & cognitive thinking, unlike an embryo or fetus.

            This creep is all about control.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            I have enjoyed your posts here at NM…. great give and take!

            I am not going to be following NM anymore because of a complete lack of 
consistent commentary standards. It is my understanding that NM has a 
few new editors, and that is the cause. They are allowing pop up work at home ads, flame throwing bullying trolls to run rampant…like some here…and at over a dozen other articles at NM…

            

The final straw is allowing this bullying serial right wing troll to flame 
throw everywhere at NM and NM Editors refuse to shut this person down.

            
wjgreen314
            

wjgreen314 profile: http://disqus.com/wjgreen314/

            

Free speech is one thing, but yelling fire in a crowded theatre is illegal.

            

Yelling fire, flame throwing and bullying other posters at this site is unacceptable. And I cannot support it anymore.

            I manage a few websites, and we simply do not allow it.

            I am sad about this because I have followed and corresponded with Joe Conason the web site owner over 35 years…

            Things will not change at NM unless those who post and are fed up with these flame throwing trolls complain…

            To reach editors at NM, they are listed below at the “contacts”

            To reach Editor-in-Chief Joe Conason: Joe@nationalmemo.com.

            To reach Executive Editor Jason Sattler: Jason@nationalmemo.com.

            To reach Managing Editor Henry Decker: Henry@nationalmemo.com

            I will return if I can freely post without bullies…

            For general editorial inquiries, please send an e-mail to editors@nationalmemo.com.

          • Paul Bass says:

            You troll A??HOLE! I’ve raised a Special Needs child as a single parent. You know NOTHING! You jerk….

          • wjgreen314 says:

            That’s great. Then you KNOW the joys of fatherhood and could never bring yourself to kill, nor approve of another person killing a child just because s/he has special needs.

            On this we agree. Good on ya; God bless and keep you and yours.

            And about trolling — because trolls don’t actually exist and because people who love to find fault and judge others need some deleterious name to call others online, I give you my permission to keep doing what you call “trolling,” because, after all, it really isn’t, is it?

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            You didn’t answer Paul Bass’s question so means you have not adopted a special needs child or anyone else. You claim you would give your life to stop abortion yet you don’t say you would be willing to don anything to keep already born babies and older humans like their siblings and parents from dying from malnutrition , homeless, drive by shooting or do any to stops war neither do you care if zygote actually develops into a baby you want the power you feel when a woman has to carry a zygote to term.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Employing Paul’s inane non-logic logic: Have you ever volunteered for five years in Bangladesh helping rural, poor, mostly Muslim, head-of-household women start business and for the first time in their lives, earn a decent income, all while battling Typhoid, Shigella, Giardia, monsoons, floods, and the ever-present threat of Muslim-on-Christian violence?

            IF NOT, you have no right to speak, ever!

            DIFFERENCE: I did that. You? Not so much! I’m guessing you have also NOT adopted a special needs child? But please prove me wrong and tell me you did!

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            The only help I can give is money due to being partial blind for the last 10 years and very sever arthritis for the last 20 years. My husband and I could not adopt because his juvenile diabetes and health problems caused by it. I couldn’t adopt through I tried to do so because I never remarried after my husbands death. And I do have the right to speak because your rantings and holier than you attitude are the very things that are turning people away from religion like a teenage boy who came by to check on me because I hadn’t answered my phone last night and his grandmother was worried about me. He read several of your posting as I read then and told me people like you is the reason he doesn’t go to church I which he do until he turned 15 last year) because you are not a real Christian,” I will worship God in the woods with his creatures because none of them ever have a holier than you attitude”. I also have the right to post against your posting as a right to disagree and the many women and teenage girls I knew that either died in childbirth or died from trying to get rid of a rapists biological matter because when he raped her she got pregnant , Seems you have forgotten an important rule in the Bible like I do sometimes “Judge not leas t you be judge” And you judged people in very one of your posts so you were judged by me and others and judged to be a Fake Christian.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Youth commonly make the egregious error — like their hero Obama — of blaming someone else for their bad behavior and bad choices.

            If someone blames me for not obeying God they are fooling themselves but NOT God. No one will be granted an indulgence or dispensation from God for denying Him and refudiating His Truth because of either their disdain for God Himself or one of His disciples.

            Never let the Truth about God be suppressed because of the occasional failure of God’s people — that’s why Jesus had to die; but neither let people think they can point to others in blame as the primary reason they rejected God and His Truth, and still get a Hall Pass into heaven.

            In short: the only people people [sic] who refudiate God and suffer in eternity can BLAME for their fate are themselves; no one else.

            I’m sorry for your illness and maladies. I pray God gives your comfort and at least some release from pain and sorrow.

            Judgement, as most people wrongly use the term, is God’s sole purview and occurs in and for eternity when Jesus separates the sheep from the goats; the goats are led away to hell and the sheep to heaven by Jesus..

            Temporal, earthly judging/discernment is the purview of God’s people. We are called to judge aright people’s behaviors, whether they be in obedience to God or in direct defiance of God, and then to call them out.

            IN short, by calling sin sin, and righteousness righteous God’s true disciples are NOT deciding people’s fate for eternity — again, that is God’s sole purview — but the view God has of those behaviors which will effect their eternities.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            stop replying….you feed the troll..

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Employing your inane non-logic logic: Have you ever volunteered for five years in Bangladesh helping rural, poor, mostly Muslim, head-of-household women start business and for the first time in their lives, earn a decent income, all while battling Typhoid, Shigella, Giardia, monsoons, floods, and the ever-present threat of Muslim-on-Christian violence?

            IF NOT, you have no right to speak, ever!

            DIFFERENCE: I did that. You? Not so much! I’m guessing you have also NOT adopted a special needs child? But please prove me wrong and tell me you did!

        • Mortalc01l says:

          First, I have to say that I think you’re mentally ill.

          If I had to choose between the life of my Wife and the life of a yet unborn child, I would choose my Wife 100%.. nothing to think about and no decision to be made. My Wife is a living breathing loving Mother of my existing child and in no way would I sacrifice my Wife and the mother of my daughter to save an unborn, unformed fetus, no matter what the potential it has.

          The life of the living who are born is more important than the life of the unborn; sorry, but that’s my take on it.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            First, I rebuke you and if you continue, shall report you for practicing Psychiatry or Psychology without a license and without ever having done a proper DSM-V approved Psychological Evaluation of me; hell, you couldn’t — you’ve never even met me. This is a serious infraction of a well established law.

            The probability that you or any husband will ever have to make that choice is virtually nil. Events with extremely low probabilities that require Murder do not drive moral policies; they are the antithesis of them.

            Finally, I admonish you to listen to, learn from, and subordinate yourself to those with FAR more education, expertise and experience in the matter at hand. Perhaps you’ve heard of Dr. C. Everett Koop? If not you should. Get started by clicking on this link.

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          • Mortalc01l says:

            Well, that’s a total lie. There are NUMEROUS instances where the mother’s life was saved by having an abortion; it’s been all over the news, including one case in Ireland and one case in Argentina.

            And oh WOW!! You used C. Everett Coop as your example; well good for you. There are numerous other Surgeons general that disagree with him and you.

            You show classic signs of mental illness; witness your nearly unintelligible, rambling, disordered postings, your utter fixation on this particular subject, your inability to recognize that there are other legitimate opinions that may differ from your fundamentalist version of the World. Yup, classic mental illness.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            You have a BIG Problem; you are accusing an M.D., presumably without an M.D. yourself(?), and our erstwhile Surgeon General, himself a Pediatric Surgeon. of lying!

            That’s real bad. And you get my rebuke. And out of respect for the dead learn to spell the giant of a man’s name correctly! It is NOT C O O P!

            You can NOT disagree with a man’s life experience. It’s like saying to a man who climbed Mount Everest accompanied by 15 other people, “YOU LIAR!”

            That’s inane and as evil as the devil who prompts you.

            It’s time you repented of your Godlessness and embrace the Truth!

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            I don’t care about opinions; everyone’s got ’em and like all bi-labial fricatives, they all stink, yours especially.

            My only interest is the Truth, the Whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth, so help me God.

            I forgive you again for your hubris, ignorance, bearing false witness, and for practicing medicine without a license while calling he who was a bona fide doctor and who practiced medicine for years as our beloved Surgeon General, a liar.

            God forgive you in Jesus’ Name. Repent and sin no more!

          • Mortalc01l says:

            I don’t believe your God exists. I worship the one TRUE god, namely Odin. Odin promised he would banish all Ice Giants from the World; Jesus promised an end to suffering… I see plenty of suffering, but no Ice Giants, therefore your God is false and Odin is the true and Only God.

            Or, alternatively, ALL gods are B.S and all religious nutters are mentally deranged like you are.

            And YES, you are mentally ill. You have all the signs; the intractable, irrational beliefs, the obsessive compulsions, the absurd zealotry that makes you think that YOUR particular, twisted version of religion means that all of us have to believe your nonsense.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Question who are the patients of a Pediatric doctor? His patients are not the pregnant women, if one of his patients became pregnant it would be a medical miracle and the police would be looking for a child rapist. C Everett Koop would not be operating on an adult if he operates but a child nor would he know of every instance when a woman had an abortion nor the reason for the abortion even as as US Surgeon General and he doesn’t say that that abortion doesn’t save a woman’s live only that he didn’t know of where it happened. So fake christian go and really read the bible especially the New Testament and you will know that you are one of the people Jesus meant when told a group of Temple money lenders and self righteous people whores and killers would go to heaven before any of them did and would be more welcome than them.

          • kmkirb says:

            Thank you Barbara. I couldn’t believe it when that fork tongued devil had the hilarious audacity to refer to Koop. He knew nothing about women, their healthcare, etc. Good grief, I just wanted to throw up in my mouth when I saw his ugly mug.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Answer with another question for you:

            When it is discovered that a pregnant woman’s baby needs in utero surgery, who do they call? Ghostbusters? No! They call upon . . . wait for it . . . Pediatric Surgeons with assists from Pediatric doctors and nurses.

            What factual medical data do you believe is off-limits to and denied the U.S. Surgeon General? What can he NOT learn that he needs to know because others are so powerful they can deny him access to it — like Obama denies you access to his original Long Form Birth Certificate, social security card, selective service card, passport(s), visas, college transcripts and applications for foreign student financial aid?

            Pray tell U.S.

            BTW: you consider yourself an AUTHENTIC CHRISTIAN then? A born again Christian, eh?

            You love, embrace, follow and obey the resurrected Lord Jesus who died for your heinous sins, went to hell, buried them there, rose again the 3rd day, was seen by hundreds if not thousands, and then ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of God, from whence He will come again to judge the quick and the dead, separating the sheep from the goats, banishing the goats forever from the presence of God in hell, and leading His sheep into their eternal rest in the Presence of God together with all the martyred saints, beasts, elders, and angels?

            Good for you. Me, too. Now get about preaching these Truths to everyone and stop hindering me from doing likewise.

            As Jesus said, “S/he who is NOT against you is with you.” Amen.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            stop replying to the troll!

          • Mortalc01l says:

            But I’m having SOOOO much fun with this deranged loon; can I not enjoy this for a while until his/her head explodes? PLEEEEEASE?

          • johninPCFL says:


            These studies produced scores of papers with solid data, Dr. Grimes said. For example, he said, it was found that the maternal death rate from abortions dropped to 0.5 per 100,000 by 1985 from 4 per 100,000 in 1972, bringing the risk from abortion down to a level seven times safer than that of natural childbirth.”

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Maternal Death Rate from abortions is a separate but related issue to whether an abortion is needed to SAVE THE LIFE OF A MOTHER.

            We are not questioning whether fewer women die from abortions than do in child birth, only whether the only way to save a pregnant women’s life is by aborting her son or daughter.

            This is a Difference with a Distinction; make sure you understand ti.

          • johninPCFL says:

            Yes, pregnancy has a risk of death for the mother, and you wish all pregnant women to bear that risk whether they want to or not.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            I wish for every woman what God decreed and created for all women. I bear the risk of prostate cancer but God gave me a prostate nonetheless. He knows better than both you and I and so I’m going WITH God against you.

            However, I’m sorry that you are so angry at your mother for bearing the risk of bearing you alive rather than slaughtering you to death in her womb to reduce her risk of being pregnant with you. I hope she forgives you for harboring that resentment against her.

            And I hope you get over your self-hatred and self-loathing soon, knowing what an existential threat you posed to your mother; she made the right decision; if only you could find it in your heart to agree with her.

          • johninPCFL says:

            I hope one day you reconcile your disgust with God for slaughtering more fetuses than all the doctors on earth combined.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Your Faith Fallacy: you equate our Infinite God who is Infinitely more powerful than Obama and thus able to do whatever He chooses with mere mortal Abortuary doctors who will one day die just like all the babies they killed and face God who will demand to know, “Not being God, why did you believe, like Adam and Eve, you could play God?!”

          • johninPCFL says:

            Yes, God the infinite randomly kills with impunity. I accept that just like all the gods we’ve invented before to explain the unexplainable, He is just as fake and frail. You want to assign Him infallability, fine. He chose to deny you shrimp, then it’s OK. Can’t eat pigs, but then it’s OK. Can’t get to heaven except through Jesus, so babies dying of SIDS spend eternity in limbo. Where do the fetuses God kills spend eternity?

          • wjgreen314 says:

            God will NOT impute to you selfishness nor overweening pride if you start thinking where YOU will spend eternity. That’s what He wants from you. Where you’ll spend eternity and what you have to do in the temporal present to make it into Infinite Paradise.

            He just wanted you to know. You’re welcome.

            Actually, like every generation for the last 2,000 years NONE OF US have ever been denied shrimp nor pork. So I have no idea who you’re talking about. Try some while you ponder eternity in God’s Presence and what you need to do in the present to safely arrive there.

          • johninPCFL says:

            You didn’t answer the question. Since God kills far more unborn than any human agency, and since they cannot go to heaven, what happens to them? Or, like the rules against shrimp, lobster, and pork that were in place for thousands of years (and for which violation meant death), did He simply change His mind and let them in? Kinda fickle, don’t you think? Kind of like another God we invented (Loki) to explain things.
            Oh, and by the way, since the fourth century or so the teaching has been that God is everywhere, so there is no need to wait for death to be in His presence. He just wanted you to know. You’re welcome.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            You’re NOT thinking BIG enough; by your definition of “killing” God kills everyone, including you very soon. Everyone is killed by God without exception; this is the ONLY certainty and only 100% probability regarding the future. Concern yourself with God killing you and ready yourself for it.

            Where did you dream up the idea that dead babies don’t go to heaven? God didn’t teach you that; Satan must have.

            You seem to know a great deal about the culinary, dietary, sanitary and food-born diseases of 2000-5,000 years ago. Why were these foods forbidden for a time?

            I’m not interested at all about what century someone decided to teach Omnipresence; God has always been and so He has always been Omnipresent even if your spiritual forebears didn’t discover this universal truth until the 4th century.

          • johninPCFL says:

            May want to brush up on your NT: Matt 14:6, Rom. 10:9, John 3:36, John 6:53, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38. No one (including dead babies) gets to heaven that doesn’t recognize and accept Jesus as saviour. I guess in your mind Satan wrote the Bible (at least the parts of it accepted and cannonized by the fourth century church.) It was a problem recognized by the 4th century church, which is why limbo was invented. The unbaptized go there to wait for God to figure out what to do with them. Odd that an all-knowing, all-powerful being has to have the innocent wait for Him to make up His mind, no?
            My best guess as to why certain foods were denied a starving people? God seemed to want to cull the crowd by starving them off. He was pretty petty and bloodthirsty in those days.
            BTW, what did Job’s family do to deseerve to be killed off? God certainly proved his point there, right? Capricious execution of the righteous just to get one over on Satan.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Well, thanks for that confession of your own eternal demise enjoyed in Satan’s sauna.

            IF babies who were never given the chance to be born by their Godless mothers who killed them in utero are relegated by you to hell because they were prohibited from growing up and learning a language which they could employ to make a confession of faith in Jesus, then how much MORE SO can you be certain, having never made a true confession of faith, you will face an eternity banished from the Presence of God unto a locale where there is no uncertainty and no doubt that over time it is globally warming and overheating unto excruciatingly burnfull temperatures.

            Which question did Job’s friends want an answer to? WHY?

            Which question did God answer? WHO!

          • johninPCFL says:

            I don’t have anything more to worry about than you do. As you said, God kills all of us.
            So I noticed that you never answered any of the questions posed. Seems like blind obiessance is common among the religious conservatives.
            So why do you think God was OK with incest? Why was eating lobster a death penalty offense, but polygamy was OK? Why does He need all the dead babies? The scriptures plainly say they don’t get into heaven, so does He saute them up for dinner, or what?

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            You are the worse of all the fake Christians who have posted here and other places.You bear the risk of prostate cancer so what, prostate cancer is easily cured today. My mother not that it any of your business could n’t have aborted me if she wanted or if her life depended on it I was born when abortion was illegal even to save a woman’s live and nor could she get her tubes tied until after she had 5 children. If she had aborted me I won’t have known because until weeks after her egg and daddy’s sperm mated I was nothing but a biological blob of matter and maybe her health would have been better if she had less children. Your self righteous attempt to make you seem holier than others shows , a fake christian who has never fathered a child and and probably never will because your lack of a relationship where a might be a baby could be made.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            I forgive you for your indulgence into the demonic behavior reserved for Satan — bringing a specious accusation against the servant of another’s Master. IN Jesus’ Name.

            And I shower you with sympathy and pity for suffering so terribly from self-loathing, self-hatred and guilt for being born as a result of your mother not being able to legally abort you. That is a very heavy burden to bear and one that must seriously disrupt your well-being and sense of being loved.

            I beseech you instead to go to God and THANK Him profusely for your life; for withholding the tide of Godless Satanic Baby Sacrifice until 1973, and for keeping you off the altars of Ba’al and Moloch. God loves you and wanted you alive; not dead like the 56,000,000 slaughtered and dead babies at the hand of misogynist and misandrist ProAbortion women engaged in the War on Women by killing 600,000 females per year in the U.S. alone, over 20,000,000 per year worldwide.

            Burt again. you are forgiven. I adjure you in Jesus’ Name to repent and cast yourself prostrate before God and beg Him for mercy even as you cry out with Thanksgiving in your heart for your Life, Liberty and unfettered pursuit of Happiness. Amen.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            Dont reply please to tis…

            A social media troll as someone who seeks to lure or bait people into negative, disruptive rhetoric for their own edification or to commandeer an otherwise free-flowing discussion among colleagues. They don’t recognize anyone that may be interested in discussing something that bores them and opt to criticize or yell “boring” instead of engaging in the discussion. They choose to belittle those who seek the information and discourse as well as those who try to provide it. They simply have no interest in anything that is not self-serving.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            ICYMI: Trolls don’t exist anywhere in nature; but they can be found next to the unicorns in your phantasmagoric dreams or ComicCon right next to Sheldon, Leonard, Raj and Howard.

            However, 1,200,000 precious, gestating, homo sapien babies are slaughtered in utero each year by their own mothers. N.O.W. that’s dangerous, lethal even.

            Let’s eschew the feckless inanity with no basis in reality for the sad, sobering, evil truth that millions of women are killing their baby-daddies’ babies in utero with impunity.

            And yes. Millions of homo sapien babies are more precious to God and should be to us than 1 baby giraffe that was euthanized for genetic reasons — RATHER THAN BE ADOPTED OUT TO ANOTHER ZOO — and fed to the lions. Killing babies in utero is equivalent to sacrificing to and feeding the demons of yesteryear, such as Ba’al and Moloch!

            Trolls are not real. Pregnant mothers worldwide who annually kill 40,000,000 babies are real and represent the world’s BIGGEST Weapon of MASS DESTRUCTION! Take that John Kerry and Bill Nye the Science Guy!

            http://www.jillstanek.com/2014/02/pro-life-video-day-familiar-arguments-animals-right-life/

          • Mortalc01l says:

            See..!!! I told you that you are mentally disturbed.
            Rants and nonsensical posts like yours make it very obvious to all of us that you might actually be a danger to humanity at large.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            stop replining!

            Be nice. Anger only encourages response. Something very short and to the point like “thank you for your point of view”. is enough. The more you say, the more you feed ‘em.

          • Mortalc01l says:

            Oh come on Daniel; can’t I play for a while? 😉

          • wjgreen314 says:

            It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, peace! But there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

            Patrick Henry, Speech at the Second Virginia Convention at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia (23 March 1775)

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            thank you for your view

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. astutely observed that “sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity” are more dangerous than racism which is a posteriori to Ignorance.

            Satan is spearheading the attack against AZ by making sure that his ignorant disciples master the debate, and by keeping people far from the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth contained within the graduate level erudition — which most of America is incapable of grasping — which comprises the bill.

            Did you know that the Religious Freedom and Restoration Act (RFRA) originated in Congress in 1993 and was signed into law by Democratic President Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton? There is actually a Federal — nationwide — law that prohibits discriminating AGAINST religious people conducting themselves and their businesses according to the tenets of their religion!

            Bubba Clinton’s RFRA law “… tell(s) the courts that the state (the federal government) may only violate someone’s religious freedom under certain conditions, and it is up to the government to show those conditions are met.”

            In other words, it is up to the State to show why on a case by case basis someone’s religious freedoms — the DEFAULT position — should be violated.

            Religion practicing adherents are normally Innocent of accusations made against them unless and until proven guilty beyond and to the exclusion of all reasonable doubt of practicing religion without truly being religious. Where have you heard that before!?

            However, S.B.1062 turns this on its head. The AZ bill places the burden of proof upon the person asserting religious freedom in defense of an allegation of discrimination!

            “The person asserting a religious freedom violation must show three things: 1. That the person’s action or refusal to act is motivated by a religious belief. 2. That the person’s religious belief is sincerely held. 3. That the state action substantially burdens the exercise of the person’s religious beliefs.”

            The onus gets placed back on the religious person practicing his/her religion to prove, when accused of discrimination, that s/he was in truth violated, his/her faith is truly genuine and sincerely obeyed, and that the state government’s action against him or her seriously burdened their free exercise of religion as protected by the U.S. Constitution’s 1st amendment.

            Oh how the truth found in the details is ever so damaging to false allegations of sodomic apologists and accusers of the faithful (another name for Satan).

            The two cases that arose in AZ that catalyzed the debate on this issue were those of a baker and a photographer. And HERE is the Difference with a Distinction that the law, consonant with the Constitution, attempts to make to preserve 1st amendment religious freedom,

            “The photographers and bakers in those cases have made clear they would gladly serve gays outside the context of a same-sex wedding. They are not refusing to serve gays, they are refusing to serve a same-sex wedding.”

            THAT’S IT. They believe as their religion teaches them that marriage, under the Holy purview of God, is the soul domain of a man and woman, not a man and a man, nor a woman and a woman. They weren’t chasing people away from their lunch counters and out of their restaurants, they were saying NO! to aiding and abetting a solemn event whose soul purpose and outcome was an abrogation of the Holy sacrament of matrimony as designed and given by God. This is what MUST be safeguarded and never violated.

            Furthermore, “No business has ever successfully used RFRA, either a state RFRA or the federal RFRA, to defend their right to not serve gays. In fact, no business has even been before a court claiming to have that right.”

            And to the hysterics arising from Corporate Personhood . . . EVERY 1L learns that a Corporation is “an organization formed with state governmental approval to act as an artificial PERSON to carry on business (or other activities), which can sue or be sued.”

            http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=358

            Stated another way, since our founding, corporations have been legally regarded as artificial Persons enjoying many if not most of the same rights, privileges, and appurtenances afforded to homo sapien persons. This was nowhere better illustrated than by the Citizens United decision that SCOTUS Justices — in order NOT to abrogate their solemn oath to “. . . impartially discharge and perform all the duties incumbent upon me as (Chief/Associate Justice) under the Constitution and laws of the United States; . . . I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;” — had to rule as they did.

            Finally,

            “Even if a business wanted to claim the right to not serve gays under RFRA, their claim would be even harder to defend under S.B. 1062. So, anyone who is concerned that someone may one day try to use RFRA to discriminate against gays should prefer the bill that was just passed over current law.”

            For this reason EVERY God-fearing, Constitution-loving and 1st amendment advocate SHOULD and MUST SUPPORT all legislation that codifies and strengthens at the individual state level that which is already generally protected in our nation’s Supreme Law of the Land and federal statutes; and which prohibits the violation of people’s religious freedom by mandating that they engage in acts that they find abhorrent and sinful, and which God’s Holy Library — the 66 Books of the Bible — proscribe.

            Where religious freedom conflicts with irreligious and sinful behavior the former must triumph over the latter even if the latter “feels” discriminated against; the law does NOT protect feelings nor vouchsafe sodomic umbrage and indignation but safeguards the practice and exercise of religion and its attendant morality.

            Homosexuals who want to violate God’s law by profaning marriage will easily find in our increasingly Godless nation plenty of wedding planners, photographers, caterers, butchers, bakers, and candle stick makers who will happily aid and abet them.

            Governor Brewer: Sign this Great Bill into Law!

            All quotes originate from:

            http://www.christianpost.com/news/issue-analysis-arizona-bill-does-not-give-businesses-license-to-discriminate-against-gays-115093/

          • kmkirb says:

            Die bitch die. You are the complete & perfect epitome of what Christianity is NOT about. Jesus would honestly spat on you & all those POS wanting to deny anyone for anything you disgusting hateful, lying, bigoted, judgmental wacko bird! Judge not, less ye be judged. Better yet, judge less than ye be judged. Oh, but not you, the almighty spewer of vitriol.

            You are seriously deranged. Go get back on your meds. Corporations are not people you blood sucking turnip. They cannot get pregnant, they do not breathe oxygen, they do not eat, nor take a piss or a shit, they do not catch diseases, they don’t have to go to the doctor or the hospital, & they damn sure don’t get surgery, they do not get dressed, they cannot walk, they cannot drive, they cannot be executed, they do not need shelter to stay warm or cool, they don’t need to bathe, they do not, they do not, they do not need what humans, REAL LIVING BREATHING PEOPLE need. They are only a legal fiction made up on paper. And money is not free speech. Money is property.

            You are one sick, twisted, out of this world alien fecking judmental piece of trash. Get the hell off this page & quit judging anyone else until you have the courage & decency to take on walking in the shoes of another for just an hour, much less a full day, & living their complete lives. You brainless cemented dolt! No more, & I WILL NOT respond to you, the psych ward nut.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Overcome with demon possession and occupied by Satan as you are I forgive you in Jesus’ Name for your hatred, murders, bearing false witness, and ignorance as a springboard to tell lies like your father, the father of lies.

            You are forgiven. Now, Confess your sins, repent, go and sin no more.

            God have mercy upon you, forgive you your heinous sins, make His face to warm your ice-cold heart and shelter you under the shadow of His wings. Amen.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Another fake Christian. Women who for ever reason has abortions will enter God’s kingdom before anyone like you so Jesus said in the book of Paul.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            So, you are a born again Christian, eh? You love, embrace, follow and obey the resurrected Lord Jesus who died for your heinous sins, went to hell, buried them there, rose again the 3rd day, was seen by hundreds if not thousands, and then ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of God, from whence He will come again to judge the quick and the dead, separating the sheep from the goats, banishing the goats forever from the presence of God in hell, and leading His sheep into their eternal rest in the Presence of God together with all the martyred saints, beasts, elders, and angels?

            Good for you. Me, too. Now get about preaching these Truths to everyone and stop hindering me from doing likewise.

            As Jesus said, “S/he who is NOT against you is with you.” Amen.

            BTW: Please give me that reference to Paul you spoke about. Was that 3rd Timothy 7:55?

          • kmkirb says:

            The biggest fake of all fakers you demonic evil false prophet. I don’t need your fake prayers. I have my Father God which you denounce every time you judge another, which only God HAS THE POWER TO JUDGE! Keep laying with your serpent & your forked tongue. Your judgment day is coming!

          • wjgreen314 says:

            I forgive you for your indulgence into the demonic behavior reserved for Satan — bringing a specious accusation against the servant of another’s Master. IN Jesus’ Name. Now, repent and go, sin no more. Amen.

          • kmkirb says:

            BWHAHAHAhahahahaha, forgiveness from the devil incarnate, BWHAHAHAhahahahaha!!!!!!

            Lying flaming troll. And a coward who thinks he’s a BIG MAN because he can say whatever he wants to while hiding behind a keyboard, LOFL!

          • wjgreen314 says:

            From this existential moment forward you DON’T KNOW ANYTHING with certainty except your own demise. You can’t be certain of anything you believe or disbelieve except the universal truth that you will die. Then the only question that arises is, will you die in your trespasses and sins or in a state of grace, covered in the merciful blood of Jesus? Answer this question and everything else will become available to you in eternity.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            thank you for your view…

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Bring someone into a world were they are likely to die an slow agonizing death from hunger, or abuse or having to live on the street because the parent or parents don’ t have the money to support them, to give up the child for adoption or DHS to take care can lead to their deaths or injures they never recover from mistreatment, not getting medical, or being starved to death.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Do you ever wonder why the vociferousness and boisterousness with which Godless ProAbortion people argue is inversely proportional to their command of the facts and proportional to their ignorance about God and His Kingdom?

            There are 2,000,00 loving couples waiting to adopt newborns in America birthed by non-Godless, Prolife women who are morally upright enough NOT to want to kill God’s precious babies but give them up for adoption to one of these loving couples!

            Satan’s Maxim to his demon worshipers: I want you to kill in utero 1,200,000 of God’s precious babies every year in America RATHER THAN allow them to be born into a sinful world ruled by me only to be adopted by the 2,000,000 loving couples waiting to adopt newborns who want to love and nurture them and give them access to Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

          • jmprint says:

            DO YOU SUPPORT THE DEATH PENALTY?
            A SIMPLE QUESTION, CAN YOU ANSWER IT?

          • wjgreen314 says:

            I support the Death Penalty for everyone who truly deserves it.

            Can you tell me who doesn’t deserve the death penalty in God’s eyes?

          • jmprint says:

            God, will judge and will kill the body and spirit. Man and women can only kill the body. You are a hypocrite, murder is murder, though shall not kill.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Amen! On this we agree: murder is murder.

            Never again pronounce the death penalty upon a single baby made in the Imago Dei gestating in the intended-by-God safe and nurturing space known as her mother’s womb; no baby should ever be murdered in utero!

          • jmprint says:

            If a women needs to pronounce death to a fetus, that is implanted into her without want, then she has the right to do as she pleases as long as it is her body and not yours nor anyone else. She upon death will deal with the Lord judgement.

            But you that approves the death penalty and under falsehood preach the word of God to keep yourself employed and gain riches a while under non profit status that wants the right to be prejudice to others, without reason, you too will go before the Lord and be Judged by Him.

            You the type of man that thinks highly of himself, because you have had the privilege of studying the doctrine, does NOT make you a better person.

            I don’t need to be educated to know the Lord.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            God, Abraham Lincoln and I all agree.

            No, erudition has not made me a better person, Jesus has.

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203306245356525&set=pb.1221949455.-2207520000.1393540444.&type=3&theater

          • jmprint says:

            Then why are you praising Lincoln? You should repent and pray for your salvation, and also pray for the women that are in a predicament that warrants them the need to make their own decisions, without having to deal with opinions as yours.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            One does NOT repent of believing in God and agreeing with God what is evil and what is good.

            I pray that women have demons exorcised from their brains anytime they consider killing their babies in utero and make a Holy Choice not to. Amen.

          • jmprint says:

            {Pregnant mothers worldwide who annually kill 40,000,000 babies are real}

            SO ARE RAPIST, CHILD MOLESTERS, ADULTERERS, AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT THINK THEY KNOW BETTER THEN GOD HIMSELF. OUR GOD IS A FORGIVING GOD, HE ALREADY KNOWS WHY A WOMEN HAS TO MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT SHE MAKES.

            LET’S STICK AN EMBRYO UP YOUR ASS AND MAKE YOU CARRY IT FOR 9 MONTHS AND SEE IF YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND.

            GOD DIDN’T GIVE WOMEN A UTERUS TO MAKE THEM SUFFER.

            YOU ARE AN EDUCATED MAN, WHO JUDGES A WOMENS DECISION JUST BECAUSE IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A MAN.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            We incarcerate murderers, rapists, child molesters, tax cheats and jay walkers, the former for a long, long time. Once we start doing so for abortionists we’ll have fewer of them on the streets and far fewer abortions per year. God can forgive them in prison where they belong and He forgives the rest who repent.

            If you can stick an embryo up my ass I’ll carry it. No worries. I dare you to try.

            No, I feel like a man because I am a man and real men do not allow women to commit murder against their progeny with impunity.

          • jmprint says:

            You are willing to kill humans for their sins, you are a murderer and guilty of that. YOU WERE NOT APPOINTED TO BE the voice of unborn children, you are an actor and the voice of hypocrites, the Lord has a place for people like you. You will never see eternal life, because you will be burning in hell.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            You’re going to require a little better logic acumen than a 3rd grader’s in your going to debate me.

            It is a logical fallacy to jump without proper syllogistic support from I acknowledge that all of us DESERVE death to, I am willing to KILL those of us who do. Non sequitur; Irrational outburts.

            But yes, God appoints all of His true disciples to be voices for weak, vulnerable, and constantly slaughtered homo sapiens, including and especially His precious babies gestating in utero.

            But again, you know not what you say, and so like Jesus, beseech our Father to forgive you.

          • jmprint says:

            GOD ALSO WARNS OF FAULSE DISCIPLES.

            YOU BELIVE IN THE DEATH PENALTY – YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRO CHOICE.

            I have a mentally challenge brother-in-law who says, he was appointed by God to take down the all flags that are not US flags, just as you say you were appointed as a true disciple and really, really think you are so does he.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            I believe in God. I would never put my faith in anything that has ZERO power to save me nor you.

            I have met virtually every mental challenge thrown at me.

          • jmprint says:

            Well good, maybe you should learn to love your neighbors as God instructed and judge not.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Done and done long ago. Now you do likewise.

          • jmprint says:

            As well, done and done long ago. Have a Blessed day.

          • jmprint says:

            “No, I feel like a man because I am a man and real men do not allow women to commit murder against their progeny with impunity.”

            LADIES ANAD GENTLEMAN LET ME INTRODUCE YOU THE MASTER OF KEPT WOMEN. THE LEADER OF THE MALE CHAUVINIST WHITE CLUB.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            C Everett Hoop is not an a a an OB/GYN doctor that takes care of women when they are pregnant,. He is a doctor who takes of children after they are born and has nothing to with the health care of pregnant woman so of course he wouldn’t know of one instance where a child had to be aborted to save the mother’s life(which makes him a bigger liar that you). Your posted picture shows you don’t even know what kind of a DR takes care of pregnant women I know of 4 women that were told they needed to abort a zygote in order to be around to raise their other children, 3 did have an abortion and their children still have their mom, the 4th mother decided to risk her life even through she had 4 small children at home to raise.She had cancer which could have cured if she had had the abortion instead she died a very painful death 3 weeks after giving birth to her 5th child.Her husband the father of the 5 children would leave the two oldest children age 10 to take care the three youngest including the newly born baby at night so he could go meet the woman who became his lover two weeks before his wife died. The 5 children now do not have a mother because she died and don’t have a father because he gave up his paternal rights so the father of his wife would bail him out where he had been jailed on drug charges The 5 children are better off with their grandfather but if her mother has chosen to abort the baby her 4 other children would have her to raise them along with their grandfather and step grandmother. The mother’s mother died from a brain clot that burst about 2 years before he daughter died.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            His name was Dr. C. Everett K O O P, MD, Surgeon General of the United States of America; may he R.I.P. Shame on you for deliberately spelling his name wrong as a sign of disrespect.

            When it is discovered that a pregnant woman’s baby needs in utero surgery, who do they call? Ghostbusters? No! They call upon . . . wait for it . . . Pediatric Surgeons with assists from Pediatric doctors and nurses. Pediatric surgeons operate on gestating babies inside their mothers’ uteri!

            What factual medical data do you believe is off-limits to and denied the U.S. Surgeon General? What can he NOT learn that he needs to know because others are so powerful they can deny him access to it — like Obama denies you access to his original Long Form Birth Certificate, social security card, selective service card, passport(s), visas, college transcripts and applications for foreign student financial aid?

            Pray tell U.S.

          • daniel bostdorf says:

            ignore troll dont respond

            A social media troll as someone who seeks to lure or bait people into negative, disruptive rhetoric for their own edification or to commandeer an otherwise free-flowing discussion among colleagues. They don’t recognize anyone that may be interested in discussing something that bores them and opt to criticize or yell “boring” instead of engaging in the discussion. They choose to belittle those who seek the information and discourse as well as those who try to provide it. They simply have no interest in anything that is not self-serving.

        • daniel bostdorf says:

          Dont feed the troll.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Do feed the ducks, worms, spiders, wombats, snakes, lizards, and all other manner of reptile which crawl on their belly along the ground.

        • Sand_Cat says:

          How very noble. But then, that’s what it’s all about, right? How a noble crusader like you is so much better than we – excuse me, me.
          If “Godless” is supposed to be an insult, you missed the mark and only advertised your delusion in that area, along with your delusions of grandeur..

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Godless is an adjective that describes people who refudiate God and reject His prescriptions and proscriptions for a Holy life and eternity enjoyed in His Presence..

            It can also be used as a noun to describe the group of people who reject His prescriptions and proscriptions; and choose instead to be their own god or follow false gods.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            “Refudiate”?
            Thanks, but spending “eternity” with the cosmic monster and his cowardly, fawning sychophants has no attraction for me, though it sounds like you’d really fit in. Go for it!

          • jmprint says:

            You are a hypocrite. If you truly believed in God, you would not believe in the death penalty, you would not judge, instead you would be out preaching to the republican party where the real sinners are.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            By your fallacious understanding of God I am indeed a hypocrite — you are correct. For a God Who holds the keys of Life and Death and alone discriminates between the sheep and the goats — the latter of whom are relegated to hell, and Who on occasion has struck people down dead on the spot for disobeying Him, would absolutely want me to be preaching repentance of sin, avoidance of eternal damnation in hell, and going after real sinners within the political party that vouchsafes filicide with impunity similar to the sacrifices to Ba’al and Moloch of yesteryear. Indeed.

            Let me start with you: In order to avoid hell I adjure you in Jesus’ Name to repent and sin no more. Never again pronounce the death penalty upon a single baby made in the Imago Dei gestating in the intended-by-God safe and nurturing space known as her mother’s womb.

          • DurdyDawg says:

            Actually it’s in the same vein as a poor man claiming that money and riches mean nothing to him then he wins a lottery. This fool is willing to sacrifice his life because he knows it will never actually come up but if it does he can always play a ‘Nugent’ on everyone.

        • jmprint says:

          Why don’t you give up your life now, since the death penalty exist.

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      “God Himself” also aborts more babies every year than the entire global healthcare system…so abortion can’t be THAT bad… /snark

      • wjgreen314 says:

        1st I’m glad you’ve finally embraced how sinful you are and how desperately needy you are for GOD’s mercy and forgiveness. No one would mention God without finally believing in Him and realizing the error of their way.

        But let’s remember the Difference with the Quintessential Distinction: You are NOT God; God is God. That means He and He alone has the power and might of God, including controlling the keys of Life and Death, and You Do Not!

        • Barbara Morgan says:

          You are the only one posting on this site that is sinful and needs God’s forgiveness and Mercy You are a fake christian and Jesus said in the New Testament people like you would not be going to heaven because of your ways and fake self righteous while on earth

          • kmkirb says:

            Spot on Barbara, & thank you!! If anyone can’t see the blatant hypocrisy coming from this false prophet, man have they been duped. I’ve run into some other false prophets in my time, but this fake of all fakers truly takes the cake. Nothing but hateful vitriol spewing forth from that cake hole.

            Another evil cretin that wants to discount whole groups of humans that God made, & only God has the right to judge, but this one has no problem pushing forth in their lying, hateful,demonic judging of others.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            There is NOTHING more hateful and hypocritical than than the Godless woman who aids, abets, participates in and approves of the slaughter of 1,200,000 of God’s gestating babies per year, and then has the Satanic temerity to refer to those who oppose this with their lives as hypocrites.

            God have mercy upon your demon deceived mind and soul.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            So, you are a born again Christian, eh? You love, embrace, follow and obey the resurrected Lord Jesus who died for your heinous sins, went to hell, buried them there, rose again the 3rd day, was seen by hundreds if not thousands, and then ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of God, from whence He will come again to judge the quick and the dead, separating the sheep from the goats, banishing the goats forever from the presence of God in hell, and leading His sheep into their eternal rest in the Presence of God together with all the martyred saints, beasts, elders, and angels?

            Good for you. Me, too. Now get about preaching these Truths to everyone and stop hindering me from doing likewise.

            As Jesus said, “S/he who is NOT against you is with you.” Amen.

          • jmprint says:

            He will come to judge, It’s not your job. Your job is to walk His walk and talk His talk. And what about all of God’s people that get put to death by the court systems? Are you judging them as well or are you just another republican hypocrite who is pushing ideology with no concern other then self.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Forget about whether it’s my job — I don’t get paid for that, no one does; the fact is that neither I nor you have the power to decide someone’s eternal faith, either in hell or in heaven. As much as I’d like that power sometimes I nor you have it and never will.

            So stop losing sleep over impossibilities and lose sleep over the probabilities that result in sin and death.

          • jmprint says:

            That’s right you don’t have the power to determine someone’s eternal faith, but a women has the right to her body before you have a right to dictate what she has to do with it. Until that embryo becomes life the choice is the women’s, NOT YOURS. I don’t lose sleep over impossibilities, because I have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            You have my sincere pity for having abjectly failed Anatomy 101. No homo sapien is properly endowed with tw heads and four arms and legs.

            https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202972467692292&set=pb.1221949455.-2207520000.1393538580.&type=3&theater

          • jmprint says:

            You see how big this women is in this photo, you see the position of the baby. How many abortions do you think happen at this stage? So much for Anatomy 101.

            Oh, I don’t need your pity, whether sincere or not.
            Have you ever heard of siamese twins? 2 hearts, 4 hands, 4 legs, 2 beating hearts.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            God doesn’t care about stages; He and I care about human life which begins in an instance, normally in a Fallopian tube, by the conjoining of two homo sapien haploid cells into 1 homo sapien diploid cell — the definition of life.

            Siamese twins do not represent 1 homo sapien but two. Normally we make an effort to separate them, if medically possible, so both lives can be lived as God intended.

            I decide who needs my pity and if and when I give it; not you. I’ve just given it to you again.

          • jmprint says:

            Well than please do accept the pity I have for your blindness and lack of understanding and impurity in your heart. See that’s the point nobody cares what you think. No human life begins at birth when the baby can breath on it’s own. When it is in the fallopian tube it is an embryo.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            There are NONE so blind as s/he who will not see.

            IF you will NOT see that killing God’s babies in utero is a heinous sin then don’t bother ever looking in the mirror again.

          • jmprint says:

            As you speak of yourself, when you look in the mirror know that you are a hypocrite in God’s eye’s. He does want wishy washy understanding. If you are going to judge women for their actions. You need to judge society as a whole for accepting the death penalty. If not please show me in the bible where it approves of murder. MURDER IS MURDER! You are not going to accomplish anything with me. I will defend women’s rights till the day I die, and when I die I will be content with what the Lord has in store for me. So please defender of fetuses, you can stop your games nobody on these site wants to hear your blind logic.

            You get paid by working for a non profit organization to voice your opinion, all a while not caring for women in general. The bible shows you that Jesus Christ respected women and what they have to endure in the hands of male chauvinist as yourself, pretending to help helpless as in unborn children, with no regard to suffering humans in America that actually need help.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Ignorance IS as Ignorance Does. You personify it:

            “He (God) does want [sic] wishy washy understanding. If you are going to judge women for their actions. You need to judge society as a whole for accepting the death penalty. MURDER IS MURDER!”

            Correction: God does NOT want wishy-washy understanding — that’s your domain. Abortion IS the death penalty and I DO blame Godless society for allowing the death penalty on 1,200,000 precious babies per year. Abortion is MURDER!

            No, I am NOT paid for working for a non-profit because I am NOT employed by a non-profit. I am SELF-EMPLOYED!

            Your ignorance is palpable and overweening.

            God forgive you for your heinous sins. IN Jesus’ Name.

    • Barbara Morgan says:

      If it isn’t consider a parasite in the first stages of development why did my doctor tell me that I miscarried because my white blood cells consider the biological blob( which is what is in a woman’s womb after egg and sperm mate and what is weeks later) a parasite and attacked it causing the blob not develop further and the body to clear it out of my body. This Ob/GYN doctor also told me this can happen at anytime no matter how far along a woman is, if something in the white blood cells sees the developing fetus or in later months a developing baby as a parasite they will increase either causing the fetus to be ejected from the body or will cause the baby to be born early. Sure wish that all males that call themselves Pro Life like this Senator does could get pregnant and that instead of being a host for nine months, they were hosts for 12 months and see if they would consider carrying developing biological matter in their body as a hosting matter.

      • awakenaustin says:

        Sorry. There seems to be a misunderstanding of the meaning of parasite. It is a biological term with a specific meaning. A parasitic relationship requires two separate species, not two members of the same species. Ergo, our children cannot be parasites viz a viz their parents. That goes for all species. I will admit that although there have been times in my life when I thought my teenagers may have been a different species, they are not. So despite the fact that it sometimes seems they are sucking my life’s blood from me they are not parasites.
        The terms we use to describe things influences (and sometimes reflects) how we think about things. We should be careful of the terms we use to describe things, unless of course you actually think of your children as parasites, then have at it.

        Two final points: (not totally outside the tenor of previous posts in this thread.)

        The first philosophical – there is no god but death.
        The second factual – the universe is indifferent.

      • wjgreen314 says:

        Why? Because your body reacted in a way contrary to the healthy way God designed it to; it malfunctioned, possibly through no fault of your own. One thing is certain: throughout our lives our bodies will occasionally malfunction and by the end, completely break down and die. But no one is to murder anyone’s body before they die. Whatever ailment or malady you suffer from I urge you to get treatment for.

        Nearly 10,000,000,000 babies have safely gestated in utero throughout human history and their mothers’ bodies PROPERLY and HEALTHILY treated them, including YOU, as who they were and God designed them to be: Precious, tiny, beautiful, silent, homo sapien babies created in the Imago Dei — just like you — who God intended be loved and nurtured and NOT annihilated in utero via introduction through the vagina of suction cannulas, sopher clamps, forceps, and lethal injectable poisons like digoxin.

        But because so many apple-eating Eve’s have rejected God and embraced Satan’s admonition to kill God’s babies in utero, while those babies are still so tiny, vulnerable and unable to speak for themselves, we who have not bent the knee to Satan but are God’s ambassadors and righteous warriors speak up for those babies — whom we’ll see one day in heaven — and fight to the death to kill Roe so no more babies may be immorally but legally killed in utero with impunity.

      • cuzican86 says:

        So you are in a agreement then that you wre a host?
        Isnt that what you just stated?

  12. dpaano says:

    I’d like to see one of those male politicians become a “host” just once….that would be all that it would take to change their minds!! Why is it that it’s always the male politicians, who have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IT’S LIKE TO BE PREGNANT, are the ones that are so anti-abortion!! It’s ridiculous! Personally, I’m anti-abortion, but I’m also pro-choice. I may not choose that route for myself (although I’m long past that stage), but I would certainly not force my beliefs on someone else! It’s their decision, and it should be between them, their significant others, AND their doctors……NOT politicians!

  13. Justin Napolitano says:

    Too bad his host didn’t raise him to have common sense. He is an idiot.
    When a woman has a spontaneous miscarriage did she reject the parasite in her womb or did the fetus reject its host?

    • Barbara Morgan says:

      According to my Ob/ GYN doctor the white blood cells in her body rejected the parasite in her body and overloading it with white blood cells thus causing the biological mass to reject its host.

  14. daniel bostdorf says:

    Please ignore the poster troll below named WJ Green 314…

    The GOP never ceases to amaze me…until it gets as creepy as what State Senator Martin regurgitated:

    “You can count on me to never get in the way of you “preventing an unintentional pregnancy.” I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it. And, I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive. However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it to remain alive.”

    This is another example of a common GOP affliction called “chronic foot in mouth disease.” It is commonly also referred to as CFMD. It is most previlent in extreme right wing political candidates, and the Teaparty in general.

    There is no known medical cure for this ailment. It tends to be hereditary.

    Sufferers of this malady also tend to lack class and possess moral turpitude especially when surrounded by groups of people. They also tend to tell really inappropriate jokes that includes racist and or sexist comments…

    It’s real root cause is a complete lack of education that breeds insensitive and down right stupid statements.

    ps Joe Biden has successfully received treatment.

  15. bhaggen says:

    If something is growing inside you that you wish to kill, then yes you are, by definition, a host. There exist wasps in S. America that bite & lay their eggs inside their “hosts” including humans. Host is a proper medical term for the “mother” of an unwanted fetus. If she was a true mother, she wouldn’t want it killed now would she.

    • Barbara Morgan says:

      How many children have you given birth to and raised? I would say based on your post none because you are a male and have never had to go thru a pregnancy or anything connected to it There is no killing of a baby and fetus can not survive outside the womb and most abortions are done within 8 weeks of woman finding out she is pregnant when the only thing in her womb is a bloody blob of biological matter, that is what I aborted when I miscarried at 8 weeks. You call abortion murder what do you call it when a woman is forced to carry a zygote to a full term baby and has no money or anyway to raise that baby so they both starve to death, to me that is murder because so many so called Pro Life people wants to murder living babies and their family by cutting food stamps,trying to stop the Affordable medical act , don’t want better backgrounds of gun buyers nor to strict the amount of ammo a gun can and are always calling for the safety nets of living already born babies and children.

      • bhaggen says:

        Our son had a heartbeat when he was an 8 week old “bloody blob of biological matter” but now they’re talking 20 weeks? But I digress. I never said anything about “murder”; YOU did & a miscarriage is not an abortion, retard. I don’t run with the religious right; I happen to be pro-choice but not pro-abortion so it’s not for me to judge you for your choice to become a host, but host it is. It must be terrible to be an unloved, unwanted child…..

        • Barbara Morgan says:

          Retard there are people including many that say they are pro life that call miscarriages murder and try to blame the woman because she has one. When I posted about what my Dr told me I have been called a murderer and worst even through I wasn’t even sure I was pregnant when I did it. Also my Ob/ GYN called it a natural abortion and lawmakers in Ga tried to pass a law few years that would have had women who miscarried investigated to make sure that they hadn’t done anything to cause the miscarriage and wanted to make any miscarriage a crime unless a woman could prove she couldn’t have prevented. Your post to me did not read like you are Pro choice. It is terrible to be an unloved unwanted child I saw children like that every day through the job I had.

          • bhaggen says:

            Conception seems to be a hit & miss process. Most women have had miscarriages before they miss a menstrual period. A miscarriage isn’t a choice. Hank Johnson (D-Ga) said Guam would tip over if military hardware was moved there so both parties have their fruitcakes. I didn’t post to you, I only replied to your post to me. You read something into my post that wasn’t there. I suggest you work on your grammar & reading comprehension.

          • Barbara Morgan says:

            Your reply was sent to me. and still shows that you were replying to me right now I am looking at your post right now.

          • bhaggen says:

            Who’s at the top of this thread? The little arrows signify a reply

  16. wjgreen314 says:

    Here for all to see in its demonic glory and puerilely profane wizardy is my favorite post of the day directed to me, followed by my response:

    kmkirb wjgreen314

    Die bitch die. You are the complete & perfect epitome of what Christianity is NOT about. Jesus would honestly spat on you & all those POS wanting to deny anyone for anything you disgusting hateful, lying, bigoted, judgmental wacko bird! Judge not, less ye be judged. Better yet, judge less than ye be judged. Oh, but not you, the almighty spewer of vitriol.

    You are seriously deranged. Go get back on your meds. Corporations are not people you blood sucking turnip. They cannot get pregnant, they do not breathe oxygen, they do not eat, nor take a piss or a shit, they do not catch diseases, they don’t have to go to the doctor or the hospital, & they damn sure don’t get surgery, they do not get dressed, they cannot walk, they cannot drive, they cannot be executed, they do not need shelter to stay warm or cool, they don’t need to bathe, they do not, they do not, they do not need what humans, REAL LIVING BREATHING PEOPLE need. They are only a legal fiction made up on paper. And money is not free speech. Money is property.

    You are one sick, twisted, out of this world alien fecking judmental piece of trash. Get the hell off this page & quit judging anyone else until you have the courage & decency to take on walking in the shoes of another for just an hour, much less a full day, & living their complete lives. You brainless cemented dolt! No more, & I WILL NOT respond to you, the psych ward nut.

    ~~~~~~~~~

    And my Godly response:

    Overcome with demon possession and occupied by Satan as you are I forgive you in Jesus’ Name for your hatred, murders, bearing false witness, and ignorance as a springboard to tell lies like your father, the father of lies.

    You are forgiven. Now, Confess your sins, repent, go and sin no more.

    God have mercy upon you, forgive you your heinous sins, make His face to warm your ice-cold heart and shelter you under the shadow of His wings. Amen.

    • lemstoll says:

      Why does this website allow this Bull#$!

      • wjgreen314 says:

        The website allows bullshit because no matter how ignorant, deranged, hateful, spiteful, unGodly, demonic, goodness-loathing and immoral someone is toward God and their fellow man the Constitution still stands; the 1st amendment still affords free-speech protections; and anyone can, by God’s grace, one day come to their senses and repent.

        Is today that day for you?

      • kmkirb says:

        My thoughts exactly about wjgreen314 & why I posted as I did. Perhaps you should go read all of them & then see why so many of us have exposed this false prophet for nothing more than the devil incarnate & control freak that he is!

  17. daniel bostdorf says:

    The GOP never ceases to amaze me…until it gets as creepy as what State Senator Martin regurgitated:

    “You can count on me to never get in the way of you “preventing an unintentional pregnancy.” I’m not actually sure what that means, because if it’s “unintentional” you must have been trying to prevent it. And, I don’t expect to be in the room or will I do anything to prevent you from obtaining a contraceptive. However, once a child does exist in your womb, I’m not going to assume a right to kill it just because the child’s host (some refer to them as mothers) doesn’t want it to remain alive.”

    This is another example of a common GOP affliction called “chronic foot in mouth disease.” It is commonly also referred to as CFMD. It is most previlent in extreme right wing political candidates, and the Teaparty in general.

    There is no known medical cure for this ailment. It tends to be hereditary.

    Sufferers of this malady also tend to lack class and possess moral turpitude especially when surrounded by groups of people. They also tend to tell really inappropriate jokes that includes racist and or sexist comments…

    It’s real root cause is a complete lack of education that breeds insensitive and down right stupid statements.

    ps Joe Biden has successfully received treatment.

  18. Dominick Vila says:

    I only support abortion when the life of the mother is at stake, and in cases of incest and rape, but referring to women as “hosts – a metaphor for incubators – is well beyond what needs to happen to reduce the need for abortion. The most effective way to reduce the incidence of abortion is by supporting sex education and making contraceptives readily available to women. Referring to women as hosts to a fetus dehumanizes our mothers, wives, daughters and sisters, and trivializes a high controversial and important issue that deserves respectful dialogue instead of the demagoguery cited in this article.

    • wjgreen314 says:

      Why only when the life of the mother is at stake; why not also when the life of her precious, more tiny and weak, more vulnerable and less able to fend for herself baby is at stake?

      • Dominick Vila says:

        Because, to the best of my knowledge, none of us has the authority or right to decide who lives and who dies. A mother is a living person, capable of deciding whether or not she is willing to risk her life to deliver a baby. A fetus does not. With that in mind, the only choice, in my opinion, is to allow the human being capable of rational thinking and articulating an opinion, decide what is best for her and the new life she is bearing.
        Not surprisingly, the people that oppose intrusive government, and who claim to support freedom, do not hesitate to impose their religious views on another living human being regardless of what she wants. All under the mantra of protecting life.

        • wjgreen314 says:

          So should the day come when I, a highly rational and articulate man, conclude that what’s best for me is to kill someone of less stature, you would conclude that this is something a civil society should tolerate and encourage, and you would fully support my decision?!

          • Dominick Vila says:

            No, I would not support your decision. In fact, I oppose the death penalty and I oppose violence. However, in my opinion there is a difference between saving the life of a woman, and deliberately sacrificing her life to save a living form that is not yet a human being.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            Abortion IS Violence and IS the Death Penalty for 1,200,000 babies per year. The moment you disregard this you paint yourself as a HUGE Hypocrite and denude yourself of all intellectual integrity and validity.

          • Dominick Vila says:

            There are times in our lives when we have to make tough choices, and saving the life of my wife, or another member of my family, over the life of a zygote or fetus is one of those difficult occasions. For me, however, it would be a decision that does not require much reflection, regardless of how painful it would be. In such circumstances I would choose my wife, mother, sister or daughter over the life of an unborn being without hesitation. You, on the other hand. would put the well being – potentially the life, of a pregnant woman at risk if there is a chance to save the life of a life form still in development. That choice has little to do with intellectual acumen, and much to do with values and respect for the difficult choice that so many women have to make worldwide every single day.

          • wjgreen314 says:

            It’s a Straw Man Argument. We don’t set Life & Death policy based on an event that rarely, if ever occurs. Dr. C. Everett Koop, M.D., pediatric surgeon, erstwhile U.S. Surgeon General, may he R.I.P., taught U.S., now confirmed by objective Scientists and Medical experts, it just doesn’t occur like Straw Man Argument Prochoice Apologists make it sound.

            Even it it does occur a miniscule percentage of the time we can create laws that say, with the confirmed opinions of at least two medical doctors, at least one of which is NOT Prochoice and will NOT make money performing the abortion, NO ABORTIONS exception in the case where it is confirmed the mother-to-be will die without one.

  19. BraveNewWhirled says:

    If it’s a “fetus” and not a “baby”, then the proper term would be “host” and not “mother”. A mother would not willingly kill her baby.

  20. cuzican86 says:

    So late to find such outrage at obvious sarcasm.
    The question I pose, is what do you refer to the “mother” when she is getting an abortion? Just a woman? And what is getting removed then? Some type of cell mass?

  21. CTJoe says:

    Yep that is creepy. It’s not suck the brains from an innocent creepy, but as far as words that dont actually hurt another human, its creepy.

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