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Saturday, October 1, 2016

The following is an excerpt from E.J. Dionne’s recently published book, Our Divided Political Heart: The Battle for the American Idea in an Age of Discontent.

Fear of decline is one of the oldest American impulses. It speaks, oddly, to our confidence that we occupy a lofty position in history and among nations: we always assume we are in a place from which we can decline. It’s why there is a vast literature on “American exceptionalism” and why we think of ourselves as “a city on a hill,” “the first new nation,” “a beacon to the world,” and “a light among nations.”

When they arise, our declinist sentiments usually have specific sources in economic or foreign policy travails. These apprehensions quickly lead to bouts of soul-searching that go beyond concrete problems to abstract and even spiritual worries about the nation’s values and moral purposes. When we feel we are in decline, we sense that we have lost our balance. We argue about what history teaches us—and usually disagree about what history actually says. We conclude that behind every crisis related to economics and the global distribution of power lurks a crisis of the soul.

Because of this, gifted politicians from Franklin Roosevelt and John Kennedy to Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama have been able to transform national anxieties into narratives of hope: “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” “Get the country moving again.” “Let’s make America great again.” “Change we can believe in.”

  • montanabill

    Perhaps he could actually propose something that would lead to more freedom rather than less. More individual freedoms and responsibilities, that’s the hope and change I can believe in.

    • Tell us what freedoms you need that you don’t have. This is the same crap all the time the government is taking control of our lives. What are the republicans proposing – more invasive legislation into our private lives.

      • montanabill

        Here is a major one for you. Health insurance and the choice of providers.
        Try building something and see how far you get without an infinite amount of permits, licenses, and permissions. Do a check. See how many regulations affected life for those in the 1950’s versus today. I believe you’ll find that Republicans ‘invasive’ legislation is because you want someone else to pay for your ‘freedoms’.

        • Ed

          “permits, licenses and permissions; yes it must be terrible for you to have to assure that what you are building will not fall down, or cuse pain to others, or destroy our environment. Perhaps we should do away with them and go back to the code of Hummerabie. I always thought his code was better anyway.

          • montanabill

            Obviously Ed, you haven’t built anything for a while. Just because some government inspector signs off on a permit doesn’t mean that the job was actually done to code, or that the code was reasonable and sufficient. It simply means you paid. P.S. its Hammarabi

        • The choice of providers if arranged by the company you work for, the government doesn’t assign a provider, your HR (that’s Human Resources) does the research to find a provider. The only gov’t health is Medicare, which you be done away with if the Ryan budge plan ever were to be implemented. I have worked for 40 years and am still working, I’ve paid Fed tax, State tax, City tax, FICA, sales tax and other fees so I believe I’ve earned my freedoms. If you don’t like the current time trying going back to the 50’s, where polio and other diseases existed that are eradicated today. The republican invasive legislation exists because I want someone to pay for my freedoms, how does that statement make any sense?

          • montanabill

            I don’t want anyone but myself deciding what providers I wish to use. If I want insurance coverage, I want the ability to select a plan that my chosen provider will accept.
            You obviously have no idea what the Ryan plan proposes, just demagog talking points.
            With all those taxes, you should have paid for your freedoms, instead we have paid for more usurping of our freedoms. The 50’s diseases is a red herring. The discussion was regarding the growth of regulations. Every single regulation is one less piece of freedom we have to make our own choices. Some are good and valid, but you cannot, in any way, claim that the hundreds of thousands of them are all in our best collective interests.

    • SaneJane

      Example please. Just one. Name just one thing you have been denied that you think you should be allowed to do.

      • montanabill

        I’d like to put up a large outdoor mirror. It is designed to withstand 90 mph winds. No wind here has ever been recorded at more 80 mph. The code says I must have a mirror that will withstand 130 mph wind. No such animal. If a tornado hit, the winds would exceed 130 mph and destroy a 130 mph mirror.
        I am denied paying for my own health care. I must use Social Security.

        • You are wrong as usual montanabill, if you don’t want your social security checks which isn’t health insurance, you shouldn’t have signed up for them and if you don’t medicare which is insurance you don’t have to take it and you can pay for your own health care. All you have to do is cancel the medicare and sign off on receiving Social Security checks and that is the end of both, There is no law that forces you to have medicare or recieve your social security check if you don’t want them As for the mirror that is between you, the area you where you live and the FAA since such a mirror would cause trouble for the pilots of the planes flying overhead.

          • montanabill

            If you are over 65, try getting medical insurance other than Medicare.

          • Montana. Finally you make a point that can’t be disputed. But its not just people over 65. If you have any type of pre-existing condition, regardless of age, you’re equally out of luck. So what do poor people do when they get sick? They go to the one place that won’t turn them away — the hospital ER. That costs everyone including those, like yourself, that can afford to pay for a hospital stay. These are the problems that the Affordable Care Act is intended to address. That’s why it (ObamaCare) makes sense.

          • montanabill

            It makes sense only if somehow don’t consider the enormous difference in the costs to everyone. There is no way you can compare the extra we pay to cover ER service versus that outlandish ACA bill’s costs. Think about it. All the new agencies, departments, regulations, bureaucrats (with the pensions), IRS agents, increased insurance costs and more. It is not even a close comparison. Like killing a fly with an atom bomb.

    • SaneJane

      …and yet you support the party that plots to suppress minority voters, invade women’s bodies and require unemployed Americans to pee in a cup in an attempt to deny them benefits they earned through their labors. Is this what you consider hope and change? Is this leading to more freedoms?

      • montanabill

        There is no more suppression of any voters than there is to travel anywhere. There is no ‘invasion’ of women’s bodies, simply remove requirements that someone else pay for your birth control and abortions. If you want my money to pay for your welfare, I need to know you are not buying illegal drugs with it. If you don’t want to pee in cup, don’t ask for someone else’s money. Your ‘labor’ didn’t entitle you to more unemployment comp than you paid into the system. Your definition of ‘freedoms’ always seems to involve using someone else’s money.

        • Ed

          Montanabill; until we reached such a severe recession no one ever got back in unemployment everything they paid into it. First of all the federal law leaves administration to the state(subject the the provision that no weekly payment may be greater than 60 % of the AVERAGE weekly pay in the state. Most states pay a much lower percentage. Secondly, your unemployment check reflects the ratio of your full time job pay to the AVERAGE WAGE FOR THE STATE. In other words, if your paycheck is 50 % of what the average state paycheck would be you get 50 % of the 60%. Thirdly: Until the cost of living and the deep recession caused a change you were limited to collecting only for 6 months. I remember in the 50″s, when I was still doing manual labor,and going to cllege part time. We had to line up on the streets in the middle of downtown to let everyone know we were out of work in order to get our check. During the early 60’s white shirta started showing up among the blue collars, shortly after that the rules were changed; now we did not have to appear in person to collect our check, the state would mail it to you. We used to have to give the names and addresses of at least 3 employers we had applied too weekly. After the white shirts started outnumbering the blue collars we just had to sign a statement affirming we were diligently looking for work. Strange isn’t it? I knew early on that I would not get everyting I had put into it out of it, but it helped. And as I look back on what I have written I wonder why I took the time to explain all this as I learned long ago that trying to have a rational discussion with those who think like you is a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME. But I must make one more try. You are not prevented from buying private health insurance after you are 65, and btw SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT HEALTH INSURANCE! Nurse, my heart medshurray.

          • montanabill

            Funny thing, I remember being out of work in the 50’s also. I didn’t line up anywhere to get a check. My pride wouldn’t let me. I went out and collected bottles to sell, scrap iron, mowed lawns (no power mowers then), washed dishes, and did whatever I could to keep going while I looked for a stable job. Took nearly a year.
            I have tried to buy insurance to stay away from Medicare. Carriers will only sell me supplemental insurance. What did Social Security have to do with the discussion?

        • johninPCFL

          Sorry, Bill. Your head’s facing the wrong way.

          No suppression? In FL right now, 11% of the REGISTERED VOTERS account for 58% of those who are under “suspicion”. They just happen to be mostly Democrat voters? Sure they do…

          The HC restrictions being put in place don’t allow the insurance THAT I PAY FOR to cover contraceptives for my wife? So now the GOP is putting cops into every bedroom? And they’re for SMALL government? Sure they are…

          UE is a paid-in fund, and only previously employed folks let go WITHOUT CAUSE can apply. WITHOUT CAUSE, meaning that they were laid off or otherwise discharged because the business chose to THROUGH NO ACTION OF THEIRS. So now, it’s OK to force a government test on completely innocent citizens? And force the taxpayers to pay for it (the cost of the testing is reimbursed if the test is negative)?

          • montanabill

            It is pretty simple to solve the problem in Florida. Produce a valid ID. The Republicans are only putting into place, if they can, limits on insurance companies being forced to provide payment for contraception. A mandate to provide contraception means that every policy holder would be paying for your wife’s contraception. There should be policies that offer it and policies that don’t. You chose the one you want. Frankly, I’m not familiar with anyone proposing UE Comp drug tests. I have heard of the requests to add one for general welfare payments and food stamps. I’m thoroughly familiar with UE because I have been paying it for over 40 years for my employees, none of whom have ever been laid off. Whoever has been collecting beyond their employer’s contributions has been living on my dime.

        • rustacus21

          … maybe it would be good to get out & actually meet people who have been actually ‘disenfranchised’ & get to know how it was carried out. Across the nation, remnants of racism go unaddressed. Good of Holder to finally notice, but the e-voting machines are the real culprit if U wanna know how ‘INSTITUTIONAL’ voter suppression/fraud is performed. Maybe a fella as ‘intelligent’ as U can dig up factual info on THOSE incidents & get back w/us real soon… We’d all love to know what U – or ANYBODY ELSE – finds out…

          • montanabill

            Florida has identified at least 3000 invalid voters so far.

          • rustacus21

            Please Mr. Bill, address the ‘institutional’ nature of this ‘crusade’ & what xactly it’s suppose to achieve – overall? 3,000 invalid voters? Is that some fox network number or a legitimate, valid tabulation? Or are these (the total was ACTUALLY 2600) simply names-in-process, due to non-response? In that case, identifying these ‘voters’ as ‘invalid’ is presumptively, typically conservative ‘profiling’, identifying a ‘criminal’ B4 a ‘crime’ has even been ARTICULATED! Is this fair? Lynching was based on such ‘presumptions’. Making the question to ask if whether this is just? Lets ask the OVER 90,000 LEGITIMATE voters – ALL Democrat, ALL JEWISH & NON-WHITE voters (see http://eyeonmodestodotcom/2012/06/02/why-wont-florida-let-eligible-voters-vote/) taken of voter rosters in 2000 & get a fairer, more accurate take? This is the REALITY. Being pronounced ‘guilty’ B4 addressing their accuser – exposes the ‘institution’ & that it IS in the business of suppressing Democracy. Liberal/Progressives – take pride!!! THIS is where the ‘Battle’ lines are truly drawn & make no mistake – when conservatives go to these lengths, it means ‘cheating’ is their only virtue of value in this ‘contest’ & IS all they have left…

          • montanabill

            You are right, it was too quick and flip an answer. I note that the process is on-going in Florida, but they have identified a number of illegal voters and may press charges.

          • rustacus21

            … & yet, the problem has been & remains electronic voting machines & post-election ballet ‘TAMPERING’, which has the ‘indisputable effect’ of altering an ENTIRE election – not just ‘ONE, TWO’ people here or there or, or in the case of felons, not knowing whether they’re actually eligible or not. & speaking of, what’s a better way of incorporating society’s ‘outcasts’ than allowing them a means of re-integrating themselves BACK into ‘normal’ society, by giving them the opportunity to engage & participate in such vital civic functions as an election? Prohibiting them from the process – especially if they’re politically ‘aware’ after their debt is paid to society & they see political corruption of the type carried out between 2001-2009 or how tax cuts do nothing more than recycle money back & forth between the ‘UNRULY’ wealthy & corrupt politicians (i.e., Walker of WI having been ‘bought’ already & now is having his recall election ‘tab’ paid for by tax cut cash from wealthy donors – cash the nations is lacking, but SORELY NEEDS for budgetary, infrastructure, maintenance & entitlement obligations) that’s responsible for the current immobility afflicting local, state & federal legislative processes? We see a text-book case of the who, what & why of ‘REPRESENTATIVES most able to define Democracy in ways most amenable to the citizenry – NOT just for the benefit of a single ‘class’ (rich/corporate) exclusively. This article DEMANDS we, the PEOPLE, understand what a ‘Democratic’ (as in ‘Democracy’ – NOT the PARTY!!!) legacy looks like, which in turn, DEMANDS our engagement, so we’re instrumental in making sure the Constitutions ‘progeny’ – the PEOPLE, have the input the Constitution ENTITLES US to. But ending tax cuts is the best way to ensure the election & voting processes ares fully funded & free of even the slightest hint of tampering, foul-play or corruption in any way, shape or form…

          • montanabill

            You are making an assumption about ‘one or two’. Without proper checking of identification, we would have no way to determine the eligibility of a voter. As far as allowing convicted felons to have their voting right restored, that is up to our legislators. Losing one’s voting rights for felony was a known consequence for committing a felony, similar to the possibility of spending time in jail. As the old adage goes, “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”. Why are you not as incensed about all of the out-of-state labor money and support going to Wisconsin as you are ‘wealthy donors’? And you also don’t have a clue about ‘tax cuts’. Your rant is nothing more than a wealth envy admission.

          • rustacus21

            Mr. Bill; any 1 w/ANY level of common sense understands we, at the Middle Class level are too busy working to keep the ‘ends’ meeting than waste time on envy. U in fact have it backwards, as it’s the the wealthy who are employing ALL their tax cut dollars available to reduce the potential for the CONSTITUTIONALLY mandated qualities of justice & equality of OPPORTUNITY for ALL Americans, as they’ve enjoyed for the last 11 CONSECUTIVE YEARS! Who has or even WANTS such power? I don’t, but apparantly the wealthy are obsessed w/it, as they’re risking – as we’ve seen w/this latest round of economic reports, of AGAIN, rupturing the economy & causing more joblessness & consequently, another prospective recession/depression – all to INJURE opportunities for the Middle Class & working poor, in achieving OPPORTUNITIES which they ALONE are able to take advantage of – consequently destroying any chances of our best option of regaining what economic mobility lost b/c of the 2001-2009 executive, via an Obama re-election victory. For the wealthy, it doesn’t matter if Obama wins – they lose nothing, essentially. But w/a Romney victory, they get to keep building even greater wealth, while U, me & the entire Middle Class & working poor get to continue watching the slow, torturous disentigration of a once great Democracy & w/it, all hope for the youth of this same class, the unraveling of the environment of the only Earth we have, growing educational inequality, but more important, more conversations like THIS, where we can’t even agree on whether we’re a ‘republic’, a ‘Democracy’, a ‘plutocracy’ or a ‘kleptocracy (government CONTROLLED by those obsessed w/gaining greater status & wealth, @the expense of the GOVERNED) – which we seem not far from now… In any case, we’re moving further FROM Democracy, w/out input from a rational, engaged citizenry…

          • montanabill

            I’m sorry you don’t have a better grasp on economics. But just a few questions. If the wealthy, who make up 1% of the taxpayers, who make 25% of the income and pay 40% of the income tax, pay more, just how does that help you? You are busy working, but does that work pay you enough to have money left over to invest in starting new business ventures that can employee more people? You appear not to believe that there is equality for all Americans, but then how do you explain how people with modest or poor backgrounds, living in the same economic environment as you, manage to become part of the 1%? Don’t claim it doesn’t happen, because it does and more frequently than most people suppose. Is it just because they are ‘lucky’ or is it because they made good decisions during their lives? You are right about the disintegration of the national fabric and the environment. As long as the world’s population growth continues, there is absolutely nothing we can do to forestall environmental catastrophe. As far as our national fabric is concerned, this nation was built by immigrants who came here looking for a chance not a hand-out. Some lost pursuing that dream, but more succeeded. I will tell you that chance still exists, but it is only up to you whether your life gets better or not. It will not be because government provides more goodies or some rich person gets taxed more.

          • rustacus21

            The Constitution – AGAIN – mandates that this DOESN’T narrow down to a ‘me’, vs. ‘them’, vs. ‘us’, vs. ‘we’ – but rather ALL TOGETHER – we FINANCE a Democracy TOGETHER. U’r asking a question as if all these taxes are fixed sums. They aren’t. None of this can be divided along an ‘absolutist’ configuration. & the rich – AGAIN – don’t create the jobs – SMALL BUSINESSES – those w/incomes up to $1 million yearly. The very same one’s being penalized for not being rich enuff. The millionaires & billionaires are PAYING politicians to enforce commanding a corporate media ‘line’ about the rich as job creators, ONLY b/c they don’t want to pay ANY taxes whatever. Ruthlessness, in ‘fixing’ the ‘system’ in their favor, isn’t a luxury U, me or the millions of struggling ‘small’ businesses have an option. But as in WI, the rich are able to BUY xactly what they want – be it politicians, law, or the minds of 100’s of 1000’s of voters to ignore the FACT that when ALL Americans are paying a FAIR SHARE, America, somehow, someway, seems to work MUCH better. When we ALL are pitching in & NOT trying to SCAM a way out of our CITIZENSHIP duties…

          • montanabill

            You are spinning your answer. You also sidestepped the Constitution question. FYI, I happen to know quite a few millionaires. They are all paying nearly 50% of their incomes to taxes. It is a very small percentage (about 0.1%) who pay little or no taxes compared to 49% of income earners who are not millionaires who pay no income taxes. You also ignored the true facts about what part of taxes the rich pay versus their share of the income and percentage of population. The reality is, that a ‘fair share’ would be equal to their share of the income, well below what they are paying today.

        • rustacus21

          Billy, in case U hadn’t noticed, we exist in a Democracy, where we ALL use each others tax dollars to pay for stuff we can’t afford individually. No 1 would xpect U 2 understand Women’s health issues, or the cost of illegal drugs in minority neighborhoods (as opposed to suburban families who can afford intensive ‘medical’ interventions, w/those all mighty tax-cut dollars, which, by the way, are a privatization of the IRS mandate of collection of taxes from the wealthy, affectively giving them an ‘exception’ where NONE should exist – in THIS Democracy!!!), or public education, which offsets poverty, crime, unwanted pregnancies & in turn, PREVENTS abortions – so we’re all ‘entitled’ in this regard, to each other ‘labor’, b/c we give it BACK to others until they’re in the position to join us ‘givers’, until they’re able to give… U get the point – But this is the remarkable thing about Democracy – it HAPPENED w/out the AUTHORIZATION of the WEALTHY & it works miraculously. Well, til conservatives got involved, w/their limited comprehension & realized they actually don’t understand how it works b/c it has no SELFISHNESS component!!! But there’s hope as long as U are capable of ‘LEARNING’…

          • montanabill

            Just in case you missed it in school, we are a republic, not a democracy. All of the stuff you are concerned about is stuff that should be totally individual responsibility. If you want government to have the power to do the stuff you listed, then you are also granting them the power to decide who can have children, how many and what sex. If we are willing to relinquish individual responsibility for our lives to the government, we will get a government willing to be totally in control. It is the very thing the founders of this country feared. Sometimes it is hard to be responsible for your own life, but necessary if you revere freedom.

  • No Bipartisanship from the Republicans, then no recovery ! ! !

    • rustacus21

      Can U say that again – I don’t know if enuff people out there heard U… Thanx!!!

  • dtgraham

    So, you like freedom do ya montana? How do you like the government monitoring every pregnancy to ensure that the state’s desired outcome will be achieved. How do like some state governments insisting that contraception cannot be covered by companies’ benefit plans. Others that reluctantly allow it, but mandating that the woman must explain to her employer why she wants it. How about a presidential candidate saying that he would have a serious discussion with Americans about the evils of birth control; and then act on it. What about forcing OBGYN’s to read an approved gov’t script to their patients, purposely giving inaccurate fetal information. Do you like forced, unneeded, vaginal probes contrary to the doctor’s advice and wishes. How about the personhood amendment which would make oral contraceptives illegal, because taking them would technically cause an abortion, at that point (that’s how they work). Also, obviously, choice on abortion……gone (with the added beauty of a prison term for the woman and her doctor).

    How do like drug tests if you want to work for the gov’t or try to collect unemployment insurance benefits. How do like the gov’t forcing religion to be equally treated in the study of various areas of science in the schools. How about North Carolina making scientists’ exponential forecasting of sea levels, via satellite, illegal.

    All of the above is brought to you by the Republican party. The list is virtually endless and I won’t go on further (I could), but you get the picture. They’re not really a true conservative party any longer. They’ve become economic libertarians, but libertarian is the last thing they are on social issues. On that score, they want to create a strict, government run, theocracy.

    • montanabill

      That’s absolute and complete nonsense. Stick to the real facts or would you rather I take everything Shirley Jackson Lee says as the official position of the Democrat Party on which to base all my opinions of the party?

      • johninPCFL

        Actually, laws from the first two paragraphs have been attempted by the GOP legislatures in GA, VA, NC, AL, KS, MO and TX (though not all in any one state.) Some of the legislation was passed and signed into law, some abandoned after the public outcry began.

        • montanabill

          That’s the way our country works.

      • dtgraham

        Like I told you before Bill, if you listen to Fixed News only (or almost all talk radio) then you won’t know anything about this. They’re not telling you the truth and I’ve pointed this out to you before. Just watch anything other than Fox News on TV and check out the internet thoroughly. I mean, other than Fox Nation or the Drudge Report or Red State, etc…. Do some honest research and you’ll see what I mean. I know that you just can’t believe that your own party would pass, or attempt to pass, legislation like this in your own country. I understand that. I get it. You’re a proud American. But believe it man. It’s happening.

        • montanabill

          I believe there on loons in both parties. They propose all kinds of stuff. It gets media attention but is rarely enacted. They only time real trouble occurs is when one party gets complete control of both Congress and the White House, as we saw in the first two years of the Obama administration. FYI, I always do my own research.

  • Ed

    Montana Bill; without health insuarance your medical cost would have to be paid by “other” meaning everyone of us,whether as taxpayers or as insured persons. That the kind of freedom you like, to stick it to your fellow man?

    • montanabill

      Why are you so presumptuous as to assume I can’t pay for my health care costs directly? There used to be a philosophy called, ‘planning for the future’. I did. But now, I’m forced to into the Medicare scheme, even though it provides lesser services than I could provide for myself. I paid into Medicare (and still do) my whole career, but I should have a choice over what quality care I want, if I can pay for it. It was supposed to be a safety net, not your only choice.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Hi montana! Have you read “Arguing with Idiots”? The one thing you’ll learn from that book is that no matter how hard you beat them with reason, they simply cannot understand the rational mind and it’s interrelationship with the nature of man’s desires for liberty and freedom. These concepts are completely and totally foreign to them. It’s like asking a person from Spain to think in Chinese. Not gonna happen.

        I can see the dumb looks abounding on The Memo already.hehehehehehehe

        Have a great weekend, my friend!

      • My husband is a retired union carpenter . At 65 he has medicare and supplemental insurance. We have always paid into it thru his union .Thank God for his supplemental health insurance !

        • montanabill

          Exactly!

      • johninPCFL

        You can always pay fee-for-service. Medicare doesn’t prevent that. It only prevents you having another PRIMARY insurance carrier if you’re past 65. And nobody’s preventing you from flying to Germany for the best cancer care in the world if you want to.

        You can always walk in and plunk down your $300 for the office visit instead of your $30 co-pay. It’s your money to spend as you want.

        • montanabill

          Have you tried it?

      • rockin_the_bay_in_Tampa

        I, too, planned for the future after working for 40 years, however, I go laid off a year ago and was forced to pay Cobra for medical insurnce or have nothing. I have applied to countless jobs, have had numerous interviews, however, due to my age (over 55) I am kicked to the curb with no prospects of employment with or without medical insurance. I am too young (58) to retire, am not disabled, thus not eligible for Medicare, I have been forced to “tap” my retiremant savings which I had not planned to use for at least another 10 to 12 years. After my Cobra runs out in December, I am on my own. Then what? I suppose I will have to visit the ER for minimal care as I will not be blessed with insurance coverage at all. Then I have to worry if they are going to sieze my paid for home, take what monies I do have left to pay the medical bill(s). Everybody is not as well off as you let on to be. If you were to have an OMG illness, all of your assets including you home, bank accounts, pensions, lottery winnings, even social security, etc. could be seized-and don’t think for a moment a hospital won’t do it-they will in a heartbeat! And there you would be with your hat in your hand…

  • ObozoMustGo

    Here’s a new word for all you leftist nutjobs out there that describes Obozo’s tenure and his “fundamental transformation of America” quite well…

    Ineptocracy – (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) — A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers.

    There’s a lot in that definition, my leftist nutjob friends. Keep reading it. You may actually understand it at some point.

    Have a nice day!

    • DukeDacat

      Hey Bozo, again, you fail to credit the original author or source that you are quoting.
      You seem to be make a habit of Plagiarism .
      Oh, I almost forgot… Have a nice day! Idiot

      • ObozoMustGo

        Duke… It’s a definition, you moron! There is no plagiarism for definitions. Google it and you’ll come up with a variety of definitions. It’s unclear who actually coined the term. Now it’s a T-Shirt you can buy off of eBay. What kind of idiot are you? Wait… dont answer that…. I already know… a useful idiot!

        By the way, it’s a great word for describing Obozo’s term in office, don’t you think?

        Have a nice day!

    • rustacus21

      … @least U got the ‘in…’ part correct; but lets finish it w/’intimidations’ courtesy of the poison, vile, corrupted money influence, which has sparked the usual conservative primate response of ‘violence’ (whether ‘real’, metaphorical or wished for) against THIS President. How much money has been invested in opposition to President OBAMA we’ll never know, but my 10-1 bet is that it’s the tax cut dollars that were ‘PROMISED’ to create jobs (that is what tax cuts were SUPPOSE 2 do, correct?!), but instead, created an expanded compromise of an evolving Democracy, which has yet 2 mature… & can’t, as long as childish, selfish, immature & unsophisticated conservatives CONFUSE Democracy w/capitalism; Liberty w/freedom to rob, steal, pillage & murder @will; equality w/money-worshiping of those who have it & revulsion & hate 4 those (even THEMSELVES) w/out any. I strongly recommend 2 U & anybody w/in site of this, to read ‘No One Would Listen’ by Harry Markopolos & is a STARK REMINDER of not only how to spell i-n-e-p-t-o-c-r-a-c-y, but to keep it from ever becoming ‘INSTITUTIONALIZED’ again, by LISTENING to those SMART enuff to know CRIMINALS (Nixon/Reagan/Bush’s/Romney) when they SEE them & NOT voting for them… W/a lowered deficit, lower joblessness, less govt corruption, reduced war threats & reduced criminality, via THIS administration, I don’t understand U’r take. But that’s typically conservative I guess – encased in incomprehensibility…

      • ObozoMustGo

        Good morning, rusty, my lefty friend! How are you today? I am well, but at work.

        Dont really have a response to your rant, other than it must be very cloudy in that mind or yours! 🙂 I’m not really sure what your vision of America is, rusty, but I’d love to hear it. You have a way of ranting that I find very amusing. It takes a high intellect to cram as much leftist hyperbole into such a small space.

        Have a great weekend, rusty! 🙂

        • STORMENHARD

          OMG…You’re an idiot, but a lovable one…I get a kick out of and lots of laughs, reading your silly , inaccurate and half truth comments

          Have a great weekend! 😀

          • ObozoMustGo

            Storm… Glad to amuse you. Just keep reading!

            Have a nice day!

    • dtgraham

      Obozo, you have no idea what you’re talking about, or you’re simply lying. One or the other.

      • ObozoMustGo

        dt, you still need to learn to laugh, my friend.

        Have a nice day!

        • dtgraham

          Ok, so give me something to laugh about. Maybe an old Norm Macdonald routine or some ancient Steve Martin or something. How about ripping off Jon Stewart or Colbert or some other late night comic. How about your own stuff? Just posting that Liberal/Progressives are dummies, idiots, morons, retards, etc… ain’t makin’ it comedy wise. Simply adding “Have a nice day!” at the end of the insults doesn’t make it go down any better.

          • ObozoMustGo

            I did, dt, I did give you something to laugh about. You just didnt recognize it because you’re wound up a bit tight. Take a chill pill, breath deap, and for Pete’s sake, don’t be sending responses on The Memo at 5:07 AM EST. Wherever you are in America, you should be sleeping.

            Have a nice day!

  • rustacus21

    President Bill Clinton said it best while in Wisconsin (to paraphrase)… ‘…it time to halt the conservative initiative of divide & conquer & realize this is the ONLY America we have, so we’d BETTER get it together – NOW…’ Health insurance, Public Education, the right to be Unionized, but above all, having a political system free of the poisonous, corrupting influence of money, is where we’ve been & were better when the above was the norm. For MORE Americans – NOT just the wealthy. As a majority, we need to understand we don’t need the wealthy in order to survive. We kicked them out of the ‘rulership’ role in 1776. Why are they now ‘ruling’ over the majority again? Conservative ‘divide & conquer’ tactics that only work on the weak minded, who can’t think for themselves & need others to think for them. This isn’t Democracy. Looking at the criminality in WI., OH., FL., etc., it’s plain to see America has lost its direction. THIS President is helping ‘lead’ the way back. It’s time we join him…

  • rustacus21

    W/a great & deep respect for this author I often humbled @being able to critique some of his writings, that things sometimes crystalize on their own. What we are witnessing is the tracing of our waywardness to the failure of America to address racism. Its vile stench has defiled everything, from Reconstruction, forward. Not enuff of us have come to the defense of minorities, knowing what we know, seeing what we see & afraid to speak unspoken truths – that what’s wrong is evil, in maintaining institutional ‘apartheid’ STILL to this day. The afore-mentioned politicians (in the article) above saw their duty as being to ALL Americans – W/OUT XCEPTION!!! Yet, here we are 235 years later, arguing about rights & liberties & equality & opportunities that ALL Americans are entitled to, but post-Nixon, the citizenry was made stupid (due to the threat of an enlighten citizenry, via “CIVIC EDUCATION”, b/c the people understood his presidency 2 B a criminal enterprise), impoverished (by Reagan/Bush institutional ‘looting’ of the nations wealth, via tax-cuts, deregulation of banking & investment markets, resulting in market crashes & the $1-plus trillion ‘heist’ of the S&L’s) to desperate (w/the 2001-2009 administration bankrupting the country w/additional tax-cuts, war, cash & institutional thievery & the collapse of whole market sectors, due to graft, corruption, incestuous nepotism & further deregulation), after the slow removal of the remaining pillars supporting ‘America’ – the DEMOCRACY. Now, w/greed, hate, confusion & ignorance being ‘legitimate’ “ideologies” – perfected & promoted by conservatives, condoned by weaselly Democratic moderates, we’re all so confounded by lies, as simple TRUTHS stare back from the mirror, yet seem unrecognizable! But don’t take my word 4 it. Hobbs, Rousseau, Hume, Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, Lincoln, Douglas, Wilson, DuBois, TR, FDR, Kennedy, X, King, Carter, Clinton, now – Obama – speak truth resonating back to the same source – self-determination is inborn in each of us & can’t B surpressed – xcept if, as Rousseau commented, citizens repudiate their very OWN freedom, in writing: “…(hu)man(s), born free, yet, is/are EVERYWHERE in chains…” (emphasis added)… We can choose a forward direction (paved by the initiatives of Lincoln/TR/FDR/Kennedy/Carter/Clinton & carried 4ward by/Obama), 2 greater levels of justice, opportunity & equality, or regress backward (Hoover/Nixon/Reagan/Bush’s – w/added ‘push’ by Romney) in 2 primativness, ignorance, tribalism & savage greed – disgracing the Liberal/Progressive legacy of our Constitution & generations of patriots who kept & are keeping it moving 4ward! 2 GET intelligent & choose wisely…

  • Reading this, the three forces translate into “Liberty, Fraternity, Equality.”

  • rustacus21

    We’re a republic, true. The system by which we operate is not, however. To be precise, we’re a ‘Democratic republic’ – of the ‘representative’ variety, which expands on the fundamental ‘limitations’ of a republic. But by all means, lets not get carried away & go down that road of ‘what-if’s’, or ‘in case of this, that & the other’ b/c those are irrational to begin w/. This is where conservatives ‘LIKE’ this conversation to go, but by doing a ‘comprehensive’ re-reading of the Constitution, U WILL understand the implications – as U’ve laid out, are ‘fear’ associated, ‘paranoid’ & again, profiling, of an intelligent, sophisticated (for the most part), sane (again, for the ‘MOST’ part) citizenry that, under circumstances advanced by Liberal/Progressives like Lincoln (yeah babe – he WAS!!!), TR, FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton & (for the most part) this current President, the interaction is prosperous & beneficial to the GREATER MAJORITY of citizens! If U don’t agree, U have the floor & can name some conservatives w/these same ‘Constitution-based’ qualities – who gained similarly ‘Constitution-based’ results… again – for the GREATER MAJORITY of the American people – oh & citizens of the planet – in SHARING our wonderful concepts of REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY… crafted into WHATEVER form THEY (the citizens of _________ nation) choose… The beauty, in other words, of Democracy…

  • rustacus21

    ‘Less’ freedom than what, xactly? Like tax cuts for the entire Middle Class, as well as the rich & corporations? Oops! That won’t work, b/c the nations’ already falling apart from disrepair from the 1981-1992 & 2001-to current rich/corporations only tax cuts, that have sucked roughly 10-20 trillion dollars from ‘absent’ infrastructure (human as well as physical) repairs the nation DIDN’T GET over this same period. Or maybe U mean the authoritarian Patriot Act (which Dem’s were ‘terrorized’ in2 signing on 2, b/c of the 2001-2009 administrations hysterics, which in fact, was cover for their incompetence? Or maybe U mean the ‘freedom’ of comprehensive education that DOESN’T HAPPEN w/NCLB & creating a generation of ‘test-takers’ but devoid of the ability to critically ‘THINK’?! Or maybe U mean the freedom of being raped, robbed & pillaged by the savage greed of corporations? Or do U mean the freedom from corporate farm ‘food’ responsible for xplosions in autism, diabetes, hypertension & cancers? What ‘freedoms’ are we lacking, or a better question – how do we GET BACK freedoms robbed from US & our Constitution, by conservatives?

  • rustacus21

    I stand CORRECTED!!! Reagan wasn’t a criminal – but being in early-stage dementia, he WAS taken advantage of by the criminals in his administration! Otherwise, everything looks in order. MayB another couple of re-reads will clear it up 4U… Having a great day in sunny W. MI on a lazy Sunday, doing some homework… Njoy U’r’s as well…