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Monday, September 26, 2016

  • White collar welfare for Republican districts. It’s worse than food stamps.

    • Much worse and costs much more too.

      • You are an IDIOT.

        • Bullwinkle1976

          And you too are also an IDIOT for your comment.

        • Thomas Siebert

          That’ll show them! You’ll no doubt win EVERYONE to your side with that amazing point you’ve made. I am humbled by your greatness. Thank you. Thank you.

      • Paul DiRisio

        You must be a legal moron. The plane does not cost anywhere near ! trillion.. And I would support any cost for our military budget.. What is this-A website for morons.. lol buh-bye losers!!

        • keith

          it is the total cost of the entire project, not per aircraft,

          • Paul DiRisio

            Actually no. The entire cost is not even close to a trillion

          • carl6352

            well lets talk cost when welfare was signed into law we have spent over 7 trillion dollars on five generations of people who live from birth to death just laying around. now what is the most rediculous waste of money?

          • Broinarms

            Feeding the hungry is ridiculous?
            Tell Jesus that.
            Tell him while you’ve got him on the phone how wonderful warplanes are.

          • twiz1

            Feeding the hungry is noble. Feeding the lazy…and worse still….the scammers is moronic. We don’t have enough checks and balances to go with the trillions in handouts. If a public company operated like the federal government does…the FBI would try and put those execs in jail! In the federal government they get promoted to undersecretaries and cabinet positions.

          • Bill Powell

            We aren’t simply ‘feeding the hungry,’ we are enabling the lazy.

          • Sand_Cat

            Oh really? Well obviously, you must be one of them since you can’t be bothered to research and find out that your whole fantasy is crap.

          • Sand_Cat

            Well, you’re right. Some of that money should have gone to educating ignorant morons such as you, though that would probably have been far more wasteful.

          • carl6352

            You just proved my point. When faced with truth you go to the attack. We are talking at this point 5. Generations of birth too death. Welfare people. At what point am I lying?

          • Sand_Cat

            Glad to be of service. What was your point, other than the right-wing fantasies you call “truth”?
            Yes, I have grown weary of listening to malicious asses spouting half-assed, made-up “facts,” and I tend to express it. If you don’t like it, no one’s forcing you to stay.

          • S.J. Jolly

            YES! We need to do something about the idle rich — those people who live on trust funds and inherited money, generation after generation! 😕

          • Thetruth

            oh wow and you know this HOW?it is 7 years past due,cost over runs.hell the damn tires were unable to take the landing.
            here is another little factoid for you,the stealth were not used in iraq till the air defense was down,the SOLE purpose of stealth was to get rid of air defense.but they were to afraid of one getting shot down to use it.ie the WHOLE stealth program was a waste.what the hell good is a weapon that cannot accomplish its mission.

          • Paul DiRisio

            the trillion dollar figure is for the total operating , maintenance, and research cost of the f35. over the next 50 years.
            your almost right but very wrong.. The first thing you want to do is control the air space, so yes you knock down radar, surface to air weapons, air strips, communications..
            Ugh we FIRST sent 2 B2 STEALTH bombers to do this.. The purpose of stealth by the way is to be undetected Einstein.. Are you one of the conspiracy theory idiots?.

          • Sand_Cat

            What’s that got to do with him? He said he’d “support ANY cost[emphasis added].”

          • Joe Martinez

            Wrong. The F117 the first stealth platform was the first over Iraq knocking out air defenses and power plants.

          • woodup2

            Careful Thetruth: now you address tactical air warfare. Show us your credentials.

          • Broinarms

            Prove that.

          • Sand_Cat

            It probably will be before they’re done. And with unthinking cretins like you who “would support any cost for our military budget,” why shouldn’t it?
            By the way, what is a “legal moron”?

        • luigilug

          As long as the Chinese buy the bonds, then the budget is zero

          • Paul DiRisio

            ugh no

        • Fladabosco

          We already spend 50% of the world’s military budget. If anything is bankrupting us it’s the military budget and it makes it easy for our leaders to start wars.

          • fiwik

            65% of the annual Federal budget is spent on entitlement and social programs , SS, Medicare, Medicaid + the interest paid on that debt being the largest budget expenses.

          • Fladabosco

            There’s a vast difference between ‘entitlement’ expenses, many of which had been paid for by the recipient, and defense money so much of which is thrown away.

          • James

            ENTITLEMENTS ARE PAID FOR …. IT’S NOT THE GOVERNMENTS MONEY ….

          • Bill Powell

            Then why is the government even involved?

          • James

            BECAUSE I CHOOSE IT …. and we outnumber you and the gap is only going to grow in the same direction and wider

          • Bill Powell

            So I wonder, since the Federal debt has been growing exponentially for some years now, what are you socialists going to do when the government can no longer service the debt. You know the government has been inflating the money supply for years, making the dollar worth less and now, the rest of the world is talking of using another form of money as international currency. If that happens, all those dollars will come home to roost, causing inflation to also go up exponentially. Inflation goes up, the interest must also rise. At that point, and it may be sooner rather than later, the government will fail not only to pay the benefits to those like you, but will also be unable to pay the interest on the debt. Then what?

          • Thetruth

            funny thing is that until reagan we had NO deficit,he tripled it,bush had a balanced budget he and the right blew it. we would have been OUT of debt.i assume your check is in the mail to pay for your wars. your tax cuts?your beloved ‘fiscal’ conemen took what woudl have been a 2t surplus to an 11 t deficits.to put it simply every dollar of debt belongs to BUSH.he doubled the budget,he doubled the deficit which add more interest. were was YOUR concern than?where was your concern with jobs being sent overseas.where was your concern with the recession?
            we are in the mess because of 1 and only 1 reason the RIGHT. than when we try to fix it,you do not even bother to help.THE sole goal of the right should have been to work with obama to put the country BACK to work and pay off the debt.their sole concern was to wreck the economy and put a republican in the white house.

          • Bill Powell

            I’m pretty astounded by your claims as you seem to be indicating that a socialist policy of spending more and more on social issues, moving more and more people from production, to consumption and spending ever more money, much of it with NO budget, that this will somehow get us into the ‘black.’

          • Sand_Cat

            And who was it who started keeping things off the budget to hide his wasteful spending? It wasn.t Obama or Clinton or Carter.

          • Independent1

            And let’s talk about “socialist spending”!! You do realize that it’s red states that have done most of the socialist spending don’t you???

            Yup!! It’s idiotic red state legislatures that during the Great Recession did just the opposite of what any sane economist would recommend and which actually bucked against history.

            Instead of increasing spending and finding ways to dampen the effects of a recession, red states did just the opposite this time, unlike during past recessions: they cut spending and cut back on state services which threw millions of red state residents out of work at a time when there already was a big job loss.

            This resulted in an unusually high number of red state residents losing their jobs and being thrown onto federal welfare (which many red states actually encouraged and actually taught their unfortunate out of work residents how to do).

            This has resulted in 12 of the 15 states that suck the most welfare/dollar of taxes they pay being red states. This has resulted in more than 75% of food stamps going to residents of red states. This has resulted in the fact that of the 455 counties in America that suck the most welfare, including food stamps, more than 90% of them, 421, voted for Romney during the 2012 elections.

            So when you denigrate welfare recipients, be well aware that your denigrating FAR AND AWAY the idiocy of Republican legislatures and the unfortunate people who live in REPUBLICAN GOVERNED STATES!!!

          • Bill Powell

            If it’s true the ‘red states’ do most of the socialist spending, at the expense of the others, you should be thrilled with a move away from socialism.

          • Independent1

            And when you’re thinking about all that debt that America has, realize as I mentioned earlier that Reagan and the 2 Bushes are the cause of more than 90% of it.

            In Reagan’s 8 years he tripled the less than 1 trillion in debt he inherited to over 2.9 trillion; adding more to our debts than all the presidents in office from the beginning of our nation COMBINED!! And then Bush Sr. added another 1.5 trillion over 4 years with Clinton almost keeping it flat except for interest and then Bush added 7.3 trillion in 8 years plus the disastrous economy I outlined previously!!

            The past 4 GOP presidents (aside from Ford) have demonstrated clearly that the GOP KNOWS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT RUNNING A GOVERNMENT – ANY GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!

          • Bill Powell

            CONGRESS spends the money and Reagan had to deal with a Democrat Congress. Peddle your lies elsewhere – won’t work with me.

          • Independent1

            Nice try at trying to deflect the blame!! BUT NO CIGAR!!

            Reagan pushed for and fought for every budget he submitted. Congress questioned him on his spending but he kept reiterating his Fantasy about “trickle-down economics”. And unfortunately, those were the days when there was still bi-partisanship in Congress and Reagan got his way. He even got his way with cutting the max tax rate from 70% down to around 30% as a giveaway to himself and his other rich buddies.

            Reagan was one of the most devious presidents America ever had; he snookered the Air Traffic Conrollers union into thinking he was going to negotiate with them and then summarily fired every one of them. He hoodwinked the Screen Actors Guild into electing him president of that union until they found out he hated unions. And it wasn’t bad enough he destroyed the Air Traffic Controllers union, he appointed to union hatters to the NLRB to really fix things!!

            Clearly the worst president America has ever had!! A totally corrupt and devious human being!!!

          • Sand_Cat

            Neither will the truth.

          • Independent1

            And let’s refute that total nonsense that Obama hasn’t submitted a budget!! That is total GARBAGE!!

            Obama has submitted a budget ON TIME every year he’s been in office. Unfortunately, his budgets were only given honest consideration his 1st year in office when the Dems had filibuster proof control of the Senate. When Ted Kennedy died and Scott Brown was elected to replace him, the Dems lost filibuster proof control of the Senate, so his budget wasn’t brought up for a vote in the Senate in 2010 and then the idiot American voters elected total idiots into the House who have scuttled his budgets every year.

            The House is so devious, that what they’ve been doing is stripping all the details from Obama’s budgets and only putting up the actual numbers for each category in the budget for a vote. So without the details to identify what Obama is proposing to spend money on, of course every member of the House votes nay!!

            No ones going to vote on a budget that just says let’s spend 10 billion here with not information as to where that 10 billion will be spent. Just another typical GOP game!! Just like you’d expect from the 6 year olds all the GOP reps in the House act like!!

          • Broinarms

            Stop the hyperbole. What do you think you are a mathematician? Nothing grows exponentially.
            Except right wing bluster and self delusion..

          • Bill Powell

            Chart of the Federal debt: http://pusz4frog.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/national-debt-ceiling-2011.jpg?w=584 That is an exponential curve from the Bush Presidency on. Whether or not (not) I’m a mathematician does not enter into it. While I might have ‘right wing’ tendencies and am in fact a libertarian, I made no political accusations in my statement, I was asking a question of those who believe we can continue down the socialist path forever increasing the size and scope of government pay-outs.

          • Independent1

            YUP!! And notice where the huge run up starts!! With GWB!! And the continuing run up during Obama was BECAUSE OF THE DISASTROUS ECONOMY GWB PASSED ON!!

            Not only did GWB allow hundreds of companies to go bankrupt, including several financial companies that had been business for a 100 years, he allowed the stock market to crash by 50%, millions of homeowners to lose their homes to foreclosure,the economy to tank to the point that the auto industry was on the verge of bankruptcy and 14 million jobs to tank before Obama could reverse the trend,

            Not only that, but Bush and the irresponsible Congresses during his disastrous administration, enacted numerous UNPAID pieces of legislation, like two unwarranted wars, two unwarranted tax cuts, a drug benefit giveaway to Big Pharma called Medicare part D, a disastrous mandate to the states called the No Child Left Behind fiasco which almost drove 1/2 our states into bankruptcy -ALL OF WHICH continued to add to our debt after Bush left the White House.

            Obama is the smallest spending president since Eisenhower with 1.4% average budget increases per year in total contrast to more than 8%/yr for Reagan and Bush 2 and 5.5%/yr for Bush Sr.

            More than 90% of our debt is the responsibility of Reagan and the 2 Bushes!!!!!!!!!

          • rmahone

            They’ll still blame in on George Bush and the Republicans!!!!!

          • Independent1

            If we blame it on GWB it’s because that’s where the blame BELONGS!! And no one is blaming GWB for anything he doesn’t deserve. Aside from Reagan, he

            was America’s worst president ever!!!

            And for the debt, here’s why he’s responsible:

            YUP!! And notice where the huge run up starts!! With GWB!! And the continuing run up during Obama was BECAUSE OF THE DISASTROUS ECONOMY GWB PASSED ON!!

            Not only did GWB allow hundreds of companies to go bankrupt, including several financial companies that had been in business for a 100 years, he allowed the stock market to crash by 50%, millions of homeowners to lose their homes to foreclosure,the economy to tank to the point that the auto industry was on the verge of bankruptcy and 14 million jobs to tank before Obama could reverse the trend (which he did within months),

            Not only that, but Bush and the irresponsible Congresses during his disastrous administration, enacted numerous UNPAID pieces of legislation, like two unwarranted wars, two unwarranted tax cuts, a drug benefit giveaway to Big Pharma called Medicare part D, a disastrous mandate to the states called the No Child Left Behind fiasco which almost drove 1/2 our states into bankruptcy -ALL OF WHICH continued to add to our debt after Bush left the White House and several of which are continuing to add to our debts TODAY!!!!

            Obama is the smallest spending president since Eisenhower with 1.4% average budget increases per year in total contrast to more than 8%/yr for Reagan and Bush 2 and 5.5%/yr for Bush Sr. IN ADDITITION, Obama kept his promise to cut deficit spending in half within 4 years, reducing the 1.4 trillion in deficit spending he inherited from Bush, to 680 billion within his 4th budget.

            More than 90% of our debt is the responsibility of Reagan and the 2 Bushes!!!!!!!!!

          • Sand_Cat

            That’s because they deserve at the very least a heavy share of the blame, and you refuse to acknowledge any.

          • Sand_Cat

            Because if they trusted people like you with the money, it would likely disappear.

          • Thetruth

            57% of the discretionary budget is on defense spending…..

            http://nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

            most of the mandatory is EARNED benefits.ie unemployment,ss,medicare and health.

            by the way his argument was we spend HALF the money spent on military in the world,ie you take all the money spent WORLDWIDE we spend over half of it.

          • Paul DiRisio

            what planet are you on? I’m glad we spend so much on our military budget. That’s why we really haven’t been invaded. But idiots like you take that for granted, First thing an invading country would to to us is, besides bombing communications and air defenses, is bomb hospitals, schools, and water, and so on.. What would you think then you moron.. you might, if your not too stupid, think oh I wish we had spent more money on our military and defenses

          • Broinarms

            Who could invade across these oceans and why would they want to? We’ve raped the resources, we’re too fat and lazy to be any good for slaves and so deep in debt what good would our “booty” do anyone? Stop kidding yourself. No one wants this smoldering mess.You just dig the war toys like most little boys.

          • rmahone

            Can I help you pack and leave permanently for another country you feel is better?????

          • Sand_Cat

            Yeah, idiot. Just look at all the other countries lining up to invade. What have you been smoking?

          • Broinarms

            AS it should be you selfish bas—d.

          • Sand_Cat

            So what the hell, why not spend a few trillion extra to make sure we can blow up anybody anywhere for anything and still have lots to spare, or at least look like we can until the weapons prove not to work.

          • Paul DiRisio

            What are you talking about, “Until the weapons prove not to work”. What are you referring to?? What planet are you on?

          • Paul DiRisio

            and what are you saying..We should only spend a little on our military budget, and if we get invaded we can try and catch up??

          • Sand_Cat

            God, what an ignorant jackass you are. Yes, I’m sure that Canada, Mexico, Guatemala, etc., are just waiting for that chance.
            With the mess people like you have made, why would anyone want the place, anyway?

          • Paul DiRisio

            What about 911 you ignorant dumb ass.. And I was not speaking literally about getting invaded by Canada or something stupid.. I’m not worried about getting invaded.. It was an exaggerated example to make a point.. Which you missed of course.. We were trying to be neutral when WW2 started, but Japan bombed Pearl harbor before declaring war on us.. They also INVADED Alaska.. And again don’t forget 911.. I’m saying I’d rather be over prepared, then under prepared…

          • Sand_Cat

            So we can bankrupt ourselves and fall that way because idiots like you are willing to give a blank check to the sharks from the defense industry.
            And thanks for proving my point about ignorance: maybe you were trying to be neutral when WWII started, but the US wasn’t. They essentially put Japan in the position of having its industries collapse along with its society or accepting a humiliating defeat by removing their forces from China and Indochina, resulting in the attack that should have been and probably was foreseen. You haven’t got a clue what you’re talking about.
            Maybe if we didn’t have such a massively-oversized military, our politicians would learn how to get along with other countries rather than dictating to them, and we might not need to be so fearful that we bankrupt ourselves. But you go on ahead and just keep voting to pour ever more money into the pockets of the thieves who head General Dynamics, Lockheed-Martin, etc., or whatever they are now, since they’ve been swallowing one another up on their staggering profits – on which they pay virtually no taxes, of course – faster than I can keep track.

          • Sand_Cat

            Speaking of 9/11, our incredibly overbloated military was unable to prevent a single attack, and accomplished nothing other than possibly shooting down flight 93 after the passengers regained control.

          • arguethefacts

            Japan did not invade Alaska in WWII. This is more wingnut madeup history Glenn Beck style.

          • Paul DiRisio

            You don’t like this country, GET THE FUK OUT!

          • Sand_Cat

            Now you’re showing the brilliant response of the ignorant to any disagreement. Thanks again for proving my point.

          • arguethefacts

            Reagan convinced enough wingnuts that the government in Nicaragua was going to invade the US. And enough believed them that Reagan illegally sold arms to Iran in order to fund the Contras.

            Wingnuts were terrified Nicaragua was going to invade the US. And they’re still that stupid.

            Of course Reagan and Bus running for Pres. and VP against Jimmy Carter. George “Poppy” Bush actually stopped campaigning for a bit and went missing. he was supposedly in Europe negotiating secretly with Iran telling them if they didn’t release the hostages until Reagan was President they’d get a better deal. Yep deliberately helping a foreign country who were holding Americans hostages, and telling them to hold them longer. That’s treason on many levels. They hostages were not released until minutes after Reagan was sworn in.

            Republicans were morally corrupt under Reagan (more members of his administration were indicted and went to prison than any other Presidential administration in history, including his Attorney General and other cabinet officers.

          • Sand_Cat

            You need not point out Reagan’s faults to me, nor to most of the others on this site. The trolls won’t accept it, anyway. In my house, we always say that Nixon was corrupt and petty, but he actually did some good things, too. It was Ronnie who really got our race to the bottom, morally, intellectually, economically, etc., moving.

          • Eric Matterson

            More of the budget should go to servicemembers’ pay

          • Broinarms

            Simply stop holding the rest of the world at gunpoint and it’ll cost less.
            Declare neutrality and save 600 Billion a wear.

          • Sand_Cat

            We can’t do that! People not armed to the teeth have to get along with their neighbors instead of dictating to them what they should do. Why do you think Paul’s so terrified we’re going to be invaded?

          • Sand_Cat

            Hey, why would we do that? They can always get food stamps like many of them have to. No, wait: the idiots already cut food stamps.

          • Burt1

            that is because it is made in America ..If we had it made in China it woul cost 90% less

          • Westy34215

            That’s because the rest of the world has been happy to let us defend them. They spend their money on welfare programs that are breaking their budgets. We spen less than 3% of our budget on defense, and more than 70% on all social transfer payments. The F35 budget is over budget and full of corruption. However, pat of that is because our NATO friends that will be using this plane are also contributing to the engineering design and supply of materials. This plane has also been forced to fulfill the needs of Air Force, Navy and Marines. Almost impossible for one plane, further driving up the price.

        • whiskytime

          You are right, sort of.The actual amount invested in this dog is actually 1.5 Trillion dollars, 500 billion more than the 1 trillion figure. Look it up Bozo, do the John Mc Cain google.

        • Broinarms

          “And I would support any cost for our military ” is the very reason anything goes for the military industrial when people believe it’s patriotic to approve ANYTHING. That’s STUPID to never question anything. They have you right where they want you.

    • ObozoMustGo

      What kind of moron are you, DJ? Defense is the number one purpose and responsibility of the Federal government. And what do we get for defense spending? A boat load of workers who weld things and build engines and such. A boat load of educated scientist and engineers that invent and make stuff who have families and mortgages and car payments and kids school and landscapers etc. etc. etc. We actually get something back for that spending…. OUR COMMON DEFENSE, you idiot! What value do we get back from food stamps? NOTHING!!! Food stamp recipients give no value back to society in exchange for their eating. Nothing! It is a complete waste of money, except for the most feeble amongst us who are incapable of providing for themselves.

      Have a nice day!

      “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

      • adriancrutch

        Do you have any reply to my post! SIR!

      • SibyllasStuff

        Oboz you are such a troll.

      • Ed

        OBOZO_ We are the most powerful country on the planet! PERIOD! We alreaduy have aircraft that cannot be matched by any other country. We already have missles that can reach around the world. We already have drones and sattelites that will allow us to see a threat to us long before it gets close. The defense industry should not be like to autoindustry, “WOW” Look at this years models”. The defense department proved on 9/11 they have no plan or desure to protect the United States of America. They are, and long have been, charged with protecting corporate america’s profits. The educated and trained people you speak of would serve us better if they worked at repairing our infrastructure. If they found new ways to fight disease. If they worked at reducing the air and water pollution of our nation. BTW, many of the men in uniform make nothing like the valiant men you sing the praises of do not earn the kind of money those people do. As a matter of fact, many qualify for food stamps. I would call that giving value back. Many on food stamps are retired,persons who spent their lives giving value to this country. I see you think when the elderly can’t work they should die. Or perhaps those educated engineers and scientists, many of which were educated through government suppot, could create a REAL SOYANT GREEN!

        • ObozoMustGo

          Hi Ed. It’s nice to hear from you again.

          You’re actually quite wrong on this one, Ed. Like I said, Defense is the primary responsibility of the Federal Government. When they spend money on weapons, that money is exchanged for the talent and labor of people. That exchange of money for talent and labor creates value which in turn keeps us safe. National defense is the greatest welfare program, if you wish to call it that, ever invented. It’s a win-win-win for all. Now, you can go on and on and on about corporate profits (as if profit is something bad), but that’s just a bunch of DemonRAT socialist cliches, Ed, and you know it. Protecting American intersts, certainly. Profits, not really.

          As to food stamps, no one except those physically or mentally incapable of providing for themselves should ever get food stamps. It’s that simple.

          And I think you meant “Soylent Green”, Ed……… “Soylent Green IS PEOPLE”….. hehehehehehehehehe

          Have a nice day, and Merry Christmas Ed.

          “If you are able bodied and able minded and you do not work, you should not eat.” — ObozoMustGo

          • ChristoD

            Obozo you knowitallbutknownothing, YOU don’t get it. Why TF should we OVERspend money on defense to technologically stay ahead of OURSELVES ? Take the hard earned money that WE pay and put it to more effective use on infrastructure, developing technologies and so make the so-called ENTITLEMENT programs SOLVENT which, by the way are no such thing. We PAY for them with our hard earned money and get it back when we retire, etc. They should be called ANNUITY programs NOT entitlement. Why continue OVERspending on defense industry projects that CONSISTENTLY OVERspends on every project they bid on ? EVERY freakin’ one ! Get your head out of your butt and use a little common sense. Defense should be the number ONE targeting cut back program.

          • carl6352

            well he does have to pay for the 48% increase in welfare benefits he has added these last 5 years. where you earn money by sittiing around doing nothing but figuring out how to whine for more free be’s. that has cost america over 7 trillion dollars since it was singed into law 1965! also ever wonder why the wages have dropped since 1968. teddy kennedy a democrats hero enacted the immigration fair act bill allowing at least a million a year illegal aliens who work for lower wages. making his pals the 1% richer while you get poorer. actually think before blogging and check the facts like i did!

          • Broinarms

            Welfare went up because the right’s friends on Wall Street and in Banking collapsed the economy and millions lost their jobs. You make it sound as if Obama just started giving away money for no reason at all. What did AIG and TARP cost?

          • Paul DiRisio

            Your so naïve.. Ever wonder why we haven’t had our country invaded and fought a war here? You ever wonder why we fight wars across seas.. Its so the war doesn’t get to our Country.
            Yeah first thing another country would do as psy-ops is bomb our hospitals and schools to have whiners like you go against your own government to end the war…
            Of course don’t forget taking out communications, water supplies, electric grids, computer networks, and these aren’t even Military targets.. They don’t fight like we do. Smart bombs.. …And oh be careful of innocent woman and children.. Not happening! I bet that would change your mind.
            Be thankful we are way ahead militarily, and don’t have to play catch up to another country invading us. Another wards when it’s too late.
            You want to cut spending, cut the bill about to go to congress for giving free tuition to people here illegally! Cut off welfare to the lazy slime bags that DON’T need it, and the drug addicts.. Test people on Welfare for drug use.

          • Broinarms

            Why do these same evildoers not invade Switzerland or Sweden? Australia?
            They tested welfare recipients. Spent 100 times on piss tests than was saved on payments. You guys are selfish sanctimonious pinheads..

          • slideguy

            You’re drooling, son.

            Spending billions on weaponry that doesn’t work protects us from nothing and diverts money from programs that do. It’s essentially welfare for the wealthy.

          • Obozo, you’re a loser and you know that. The first responsibility of the government of the U.S.A. is the people. As it looks like you’re from planet mars, you don’t quite understand what’s going on here.

          • Blindsquirl

            Damn straight Newborn.!!
            “of the People, by the People, for the People”

          • Bill Powell

            So government is our ‘daddy’ huh? Only in the socialist world-view.

          • Sand_Cat

            What?
            Aren’t you grasping at straws? If that’s the best you can do, it’s smarter to remain silent.

          • By the way, God Bless President Obama. He won again, you know. Democrats bested the bullies and kooks to gained a solid majority in the Senate and picked up seats in the House, too. Now it’s time to reign in corrupt and wasteful military spending. May God forgive you, Bozo. You’re obviouly not one to let the facts influence your thinking.

          • Charles F. Easter

            BO LOST the house and will lose the Senate because of “we have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”

          • Broinarms

            He won the big one since then.
            What do you really know about parliamentary procedure and how many votes it takes to pass anything?
            One house MUST pass any legislation for it to pass to the other chamber. So it must be passed before the other chamber can know what’s in the bill.

          • ralphkr

            Well, Obozo, I do believe that you have inadvertently touched upon the answer to not only balancing the budget but creating a surplus. Of course, we must not cut back on defense spending and should probably increase it so that we are not just spending more on defense than the combined spending of all the rest of the world but we must spend at least twice as much as the rest of the world. If you don’t believe me just ask the CEO of any of the defense contractors currently basking in contract over runs.

            RE: Food Stamps I am not sure what you are looking for as it could be not allowing people on SS or in the military to get food stamps since they are able bodied (does this mean that you are for raising SS benefits and enlisted personnel pay so they no longer qualify??) or just that you would be happy to have people in low paying jobs being forced to steal their groceries or go hungry? Of course, it would be more efficient for them to just mug you or break into your home every day for living expenses.

            I have a plan that I know that you would back 1,000 per cent. Raise Medicare age to 70. This would not save any Medicare money but would bankrupt it sooner because people would put off treating their illness until they could get Medicare when they would be much sicker and need more costly treatment and it would save SS lots of money because of the many recipients who would die sooner and no longer be a drain on the SS coffers.

            An even better solution to the problem of SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the budget would be to pass a law requiring that anyone who stops working and does not have a minimum of $2 million in savings (to be adjusted upward by the inflation index) must immediately self-deport to Latin America or some area outside of the US where they can survive on their own funds. A law such as this guarantees that we shall still have our gardeners, maids, busboys, waiters, store clerks, and all the starvation wage employees but that they shall never be a drain on our own pocket book when they get old. I bet I just described the dream US that Obozo and all the other “only true American Patriots” such as the Koch boys desire.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hi Ralphie! How are you? I am well. Traveled all weekend and just getting back.

            In response to your post….. you once again demonstrate a stunning lack of understanding and a flare for the absurd. The truth is Ralph, like I said, national defense IS the primary purpose and number one priority of the Federal government. The rest of what you cite is nonsense and common scare tactics of the leftists who like to make everyone believe that they will starve and die if the don’t get some form of government largess. Patently false, Ralphy. Unfortunately, too many leftist freak drones actually believe that lie. I don’t. And your final paragraph is nothing more than a summation of your belief in a Marxist world view that there is a natural polarization of society between the proletariat and the bourgeois with the cliche “rich get richer and poor get poorer.” Nothing could be further from the truth, my friend.

            Have a nice day, Ralphie!

            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

          • ralphkr

            Well, Obozo, there is such a thing as National Defense and Platinum Plated National Defense contracts and the US definitely specializes in getting the least bang for the biggest buck in defense. Your statement that people shall not starve if they don’t get handouts proves that you have never gone through hard times nor ever visited any country such as Mexico, the Philippines, Haiti, or any number of countries (you know, those places where the natural human law of the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer which is the track that the US has been on for some time) where society consists of the extremely wealthy, those barely able to put food on the table (and that only because they own a business), and a huge number of people foraging the garbage dumps for a living. Even in the US there are many people who have to decide whether to pay the rent, buy food, or get health care. The big advantage is that if they forgo health care they shall die sooner and no longer be an eyesore to those passing by in their limos. In the 1920s & 30s there were millions of people who only survived in the US because of the soup kitchens. I realize that the idea of helping those less fortunate than us is an anathema to anyone who is not a Christian who believes in the words of Jesus Christ.

            I fail to see how my final paragraph had anything at all with the polarization of society and the extremely true cliche of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer (at least that is true in the US as well as many other countries). All I did was describe the perfect solution of the US budgetary problems that I am sure would please all those “only true American” conservatives. If you have forgotten I said the solution to form a perfect Republican US would be to require that any one who stopped working for any reason had to have a minimum of $2 million (to be adjusted for inflation) or self-deport to some other country. No more need for SS, Social Security, or Medicare.

          • SixSixSix

            Military socialism is an economic lose. It takes resources out of the economy, further concentrates wealth in an already over concentrated rule of economic super elites, and puts nothing of value back into the economy. This kind of project is the greatest gift ever to rise of China and its ability to surpass and defeat American forces in future combat.

          • Charles F. Easter

            HOW does it take resources “OUT” of the economy ? My neighbor and several friends work as civilians for Raytheon, they bring home money and spend it, IN THE ECONOMY!

          • SixSixSix

            First they are vastly overpaid compared to food stamp recipients. They will admittedly tend to bump asset inflation but we already have an out of whack financial system that specializes in asset inflation and disastrous bubbles. They are less likely to recycle that money on needed things thereby stimulating the crucial 70% of the economy that is consumer driven. They are a transfer of wealth, a redistribution of wealth by government action into a sector of the economy that produces nothing for further economic productivity. So they have produced nothing that furthers subsequent production which is the hallmark of economically productive activity. But they have participated in the vast consumption of resources not available to other production. They have driven up costs to all other product industries who use the same resources and created vast amounts of pollution that has no further economic contribution. All weapons economically are literal dead ends.Their machines and products produce only waste, destruction, wounded or dead bodies, or a mix of the same. They deprive the national infrastructure in gravely need of upgrade, they contribute to diversion of resources and continuation of massive poverty in the nominally richest country on earth which remains mockingly untrue for millions, they accentuate the economic dominance of the financial super elite, they contribute to the corruption of the political system by those of feed off the biggest of big time government money. They add the single greatest factor to the national debt and deficit, the beloved bugaboo of the Right Wing. Their goods and services in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan have been the single largest drag on this country over last 70 years. The military-industrial complex’s maintaining of myriad of bases around the world contributes significantly to the negative balance of trade, a measure ultimately vastly more important than the national debt, draining this country to the advantage of its competitors, mortgaging the future of children for real as we consume more from the rest of the world than we produce for them. Their industry has provided the tools that have killed millions and millions around the global, 2 million in Vietnam alone, at least a quarter million in Iraq, and tens of thousands of Americans doing it while while losing trillions and trillions of national treasure to do it. Militarism is not free, militarism is very, very expensive, coming at the highest price economically and in human cost. Being a tax on the rest of a productive economy is why military power is only as good as economic power behind. When that military tax gets too high ask Britain and Rome what finally happens.

          • Herbert Shallcross

            “We alreaduy have aircraft that cannot be matched by any other country. We already have missles that can reach around the world…”

            Do you think those things fell out of trees? They are the result of government investment in dozens of fields of research.

            If we let our technological advantage decay, do you think that there is no country, no would-be dictator who wouldn’t take advantage of our weakness?

          • Paul DiRisio

            ty

          • Broinarms

            So the smart thing to do is spend as much as possible regardless of actual threats and have an economy based on eternal global conflict. What a beautiful shining city on a hill you’ve wished for us. Ronnie would be proud. If you believe that you need to listen to the socialist Ronald Reagan before warbucks corrupted him, if you dare! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJDhS4oUm0M .

          • Edward J. Ferraro

            True, Defense is a mighty useful investment of a country’s wealth… but if you’re going broke in peace-time and the war machine is all you have… something ill may occur, as a direct result.

          • Paul DiRisio

            Times change.. I’ll stick with defense

          • Broinarms

            Why not spend the money making America a better place to live rather than war machines. We’ll get the same economic value without all the killing. But then what would you do without the killing?

        • slideguy

          Son, never wrestle with a pig. You’ll both get filthy, but the pig likes it.

          • Paul DiRisio

            wow are you dumb or stupid? Please shut up, and don’t text publicly anymore,

          • Broinarms

            You should try your own advice.

          • slideguy

            I just came back to see what’s up and I find this idiot giving orders he can’t enforce. It must be so frustrating for him.

        • Paul DiRisio

          Most important thing is National Security. What good is anything else if were just a vulnerable weak sitting duck country. Nothing wrong with being the most powerful Country in the world. Duh

          • Broinarms

            Sitting duck? For whom? On the other side of the planet?
            We could spend a lot less and still be the most powerful. Duh.

      • Deviant2J

        Partly favor to what you claim OMG, but there are times that we need to consider people first and corporate that provides job at home or oversea secondly. Many were deployed to homelessness with highly technical skills and graciously tax payers for years “till there jobs were sent to overseas.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Deviant…. nice name! 🙂 Regarding “sending jobs overseas”… there’s really only 2 reasons a company “sends jobs overseas” if you think about it. The first reason is that they are expanding their sales globally and need a presence in that market. This is good business, don’t you agree? The second reason may be that the cost of doing business in the US is too costly and therefore makes their products uncompetitive in a globally competitive market. There really isn’t any other reason. Our problem here has been that the US has become too costly and too regulated and too anti-business. When you elect politicians that make business too costly, you cannot then complain that companies are “sending jobs overseas” when you are responsible for creating the environment that chases them away, can you? They must survive and other countries are more than happy to have businesses moving to them. It’s really not any more complicated than that.

          Have a nice day!

          “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

          • Justin Napolitano

            The cost of our military is about as high and bloated as it can get. Perhaps we should outsource it as well, using your logic. You are by far one of the least sophisticated posters on this message board and your arguments are at the 5th grade level.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Nappy… are you 12 years old? You must be because I have noted that you have never refuted anything I’ve posted. I don’t mind if you try to insult me, but do so with some sort of substance just once in a while. You read my post about why companies go overseas, but then just whine about the military. Certainly, you are a leftist freak moron and hate everything about the military and what we spend on it. I am sure that you’re one of those jerkoffs that blames the US for the world’s problems, right? But why not address the issues I posted of why companies go overseas…. if you can…. which I doubt you can. You also have not addressed the facts I presented about national defense being the single organizing principle behind the creation of the federal government then and which it remains today.

            Merry Christmas!

            “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” – Mark Twain

          • Robert Feldman

            There is always only one reason – labor cost. You likely want no minimum wage in the US so you can steal even more from the middle/lower class. Shame on you.

          • Oahu Hawaii

            Shame on you RF! OMG made no such statement about minimum wage, yet you make up a terrible lie to try to cast him in a bad light. Where is your evidence? Whether you like him or not, you should not make up things to try to bolster your argument, as it only weakens your argument.

            BTW, it’s not only just labor cost. It is the whole cost of doing business, which includes materials, transportation, infrastructure, available talent, etc. This is particularly true for companies with publicly-traded stocks. I work in a US-based electronics & software company for which international business accounts for nearly 60% of our revenue — in the hundreds of millions USD. We had to go to TPE, BLR, MNL, SHA, etc. for certain business units because we could not find enough people in the US to do the work properly.

            Also, in some countries, we are required to have some kind of local presence for us to sell our goods and services there without massive fees and tariffs that will price us out of the market — SIN and parts of Eastern Europe, I recall.

          • Robert Feldman

            Yeah…I do business in the electronics world as well. I don’t buy your argument, it’s always about the bottom line. If you produce widgets here for $X and in China (with materials, shipping, etc.) it’s $X/6, where do you decide to make the widget?

            It’s not about country, loyalty, patriotism…we know that it is always about money. And I would argue that corporations that buy labor overseas and get tax breaks for doing it (after lobbying heavily for said tax breaks) are the worst kind of capitalist. It is legalized slavery.

          • Oahu Hawaii

            Your original argument said it was only “labor cost”. I said it’s the total cost of doing business. Then you “refute” my argument by saying it’s the cost of production, citing the very points I had listed. That’s a strange way of conceding that my statement more closely reflects how business — especially publicly-traced companies — select where they build their products.
            While I’m not for legalized slavery, you should consider the alternative for the workers in some of these countries. When some US people boycotted some line of clothing made in Bangladesh because of long work hours for their workers (illegal in the US, but not there), the factory shut down. The women were left without a means of income, and for many, their only options were begging, prostitution, being sold into marriage, etc. In subsequent interviews, these ladies preferred to have that difficult job over these options. Of course, those who had helped shut down the factory didn’t care to help these women, and felt content with their self-righteous indignation. So who really won, and who really loss? Clearly this was not a good solution …

          • Robert Feldman

            The alternative is AMERICAN WORKERS, if you put India and China ahead of America…that’s your choice. But I would suggest you move there if that is the case.

          • Oahu Hawaii

            FYI, I put America ahead of India and China. But what’s your point? If you’re crying about how most big businesses operate, then don’t blame me — I don’t set policy at my company, or any other company. Why throw a tantrum? Your original statement, “There is always only one reason – labor cost.” is what I responded to for my past 2 comments. Yet for some unknown reason, you go off-topic and make a subtle attack — why? I didn’t insult you.

      • CYNICALZ

        Obozo: I agree. You have just defined the difference between givers and takers. That we are all created equal and separated by the desire to succeed. If we do not fund and reward the achievers, the believers, then we have aided Obama’s Social/Marxist continued aggressive endeavors to destroy America.

        Nat’l Memo continues to place my comments on Disqus opposed to the main dialogue page. They have yet to provide a reason. Should they be forthcoming, I will supply their response. For now, use the far right icon and click on dashboard.

      • What a mindless fool you are! Wrap that flag tightly aground you’re pudgy waist and read on. Firstly, “Obozo” is a word that a 5th grader would use, so I presume that you are indeed in the 5th grade, are a Republican, or both. Secondly, military spending is wasteful, out of control and all proportion and is inflationary. We do get a boatload of overpaid and under-qualified workers from pork barrel government spending on things that the military doesn’t want, that much is true. I’ll bet you’re living pretty well on my tax money making expensive crap that will never work. Should a B1 Bomber cost $1,000,000,000? Only if idiots like you design and build it. You’re a blood sucker, Bozo.

      • Frank Estrada

        A large assumption is being made when you say that food stamps don’t provide a return. What about Life, and the opportunity to exist another day in order to become a contributing member of society? I hope that if you ever find yourself in a position of being needy, that you never come in contact with anyone who is as un-compassionate as you are, because you’d be shit out of luck.

        • SixSixSix

          Food stamps obviously provide as much return as weapon but at a far, far, far lower economic cost. Food stamps simply transfer wealth to those most likely to use what they get. In an economy that is 70% consumer driven, that obviously is pro growth. Weapons take tremendous material resources, divert them from alternate production, increase pollution,cost the better part of the national deficit and debt, and have zero value other than killing and destroying. They are input to the further production of nothing. They stimulate nothing but creation of ruined property and dead bodies.

          • John Q Governor

            Then obviously the best economy is the one with the most Food Stamps. Who knew Barack W Obama was such a great economist!!!!!!

          • SixSixSix

            You envy those with nothing and excuse those who take far more than they need. Perhaps in another life time you were a Roman Centurion. All Hail Caesar Cruz!

          • Bill Powell

            Geez! Some people just cannot understand the concept of providing for your own needs. How does it benefit society – any society, when it takes ever-more people out of production, leaving them to consume, leaving ever-fewer to produce and then tax that dwindling pool of producers to pay the non-producers? The demand for goods and services goes up while those very goods and services are getting rarer, making those who produce pay ever more with ever less income. How long do you think this can go on? Can one out of ten produce goods while the nine consume and the one pay for it all?

          • SixSixSix

            This society is dominated by and run for the benefit of the least productive and most consuming segment – big money owners. They do not work a day in their lives but take everything except the scraps. They despise hard earned income. Repukes want to caught their unearned income from speculation and inheritance, the ultimate soul destroying mark of the social parasite. So just what was your problem?

          • Bill Powell

            You have no idea what you are talking about. So people like George Soros, you don’t think they work? You think people who have money sit around on their couch sipping martinis do you? Where do you think investment dollars come from? Who do you think runs Ford Motor Company? What do you think Steve Jobs or Bill Gates do with all their ill-gotten gain? As for inheritance, do you not realize it was made by someone at one point and that someone paid tax on it and should, when he (or she) dies be able to leave it to whomever they please. I’m sure Barak is proud of the fact that you are a good little socialist and that he can count on you to ‘spread the wealth around,’ otherwise known as stealing from those who have acquired and giving to those who are a net drain on society.

          • SixSixSix

            Duh, Bill Gates does not work for his money. He puts it up and gets back goobs while everyone does the work. What do you think Bill Gates would be worth on Mars all by himself? Absolute zero. And then he would die.

          • Bill Powell

            And you would be worth more?

          • SixSixSix

            Same as you. QED

          • SixSixSix

            Your attitude demonstrates anti-freedom. Feel free to secede any time

          • Sand_Cat

            Yeah, that’s how Homo saipens got to be the dominant species: by looking out for themselves as individuals and trampling on those of their own weaker than themselves. That’s why all people live solitary lives, as far from anyone else as they can get.
            A “society” is people working together cooperatively for the good of all, willing to accept that not all those who benefit “deserve” it, but most do. Definitely not the thing for he-men such as yourself. A “society” of people such as you wouldn’t last very long, nor would the species.

          • Bill Powell

            I’d say such a ‘society’ of people settled and built this country but, of course, your version of history is probably different. You still cannot understand the point I was making. EVERY society must have a preponderance of people producing goods and services. Those that don’t are either living of the efforts or wealth of others – think 1700’s England or the American south pre-civil war. When you or I work while the government takes the fruit of our effort to give to others, that is slavery by another name. Bray all you like otherwise, that’s what it is.

          • Sand_Cat

            You can “bray” all you want about “slavery,” too. Doesn’t change the facts.

          • Paul DiRisio

            food stamps are traded for 50% in crack

          • SixSixSix

            Do you take medication for your delusions? You really should.

          • Paul DiRisio

            Your a moron. Weapons keep our nation safe. Food stamps don’t provide as much return as our safety. There is no return on food stamps to us tax payers, which your probably are not anyways.
            your the delusional one.. You look at our military as just a killing machine. Our military keeps us free and safe. You don’t like it and appreciate it? Get the f**k out of America, we don’t need spineless retards like you.

          • Sand_Cat

            “We” don’t need fascist lunatics like you, either. maybe you should leave. You might actually learn something about all those countries you obviously regard with the contempt born of ignorance. Have you ever even been out of the country?

          • Sand_Cat

            Sure. Let’s see the facts. You know, that pesky little evidence thing that would demolish all your arguments.

        • Bill Powell

          So you think it’s beneficial to those of us trying to make a living for government to take what we earn so it may pay people to breath – to simply exist?

      • dano2112a

        And then we have to use all those shiny weapons all those wonderful people produced because a weapon un-used is no weapon indeed.

      • carl6352

        you are right. ww2 was the biggest economic boom in americans history and it lasted well into the 50’s.

        • SixSixSix

          You worship an illusion. Globally WW2 conveniently set back all competitors save Canada which likewise suffered zero domestic damage. Of course it appeared to be advantageous to the US. But first Europe, then Japan recovered and then China came back not just from WW2 but four hundred years of being down. All that gain, which was only relative with tremendous cost to others is all gone. Pray tell what gain did we get from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan? Debt, crumbling infrastructure, and social decline.

      • James

        ConFascists must go LOL ….. And the defense budget is MUCH BIGGER THAN WE NEED …. you CONfascist say all the time that … MORE MONEY … doesn’t necessarily make a program better ….. DEFENSE IS A POSTER CHILD FOR POORLY SPENT MONEY BY WARMONGERS ….. and for your pea brain … many of the food stamp recipients are …. MILITARY YOU IDGIT …. THE game is rigged … you COGNITIVELY DISSONANT CONfascists say it all the time with the Fed Reserve … there aren’t enough jobs because …. CONcorporatefascists rig the game to …. FAVOR WALL STREET … ChinaMart admits …. most of it’s profits are due to …. FOOD STAMP subsidies … deport the fascists …. raise the minimum wage to a living wage

      • Broinarms

        Defense against whom? No one wants to invade us or can by virtue of geography.

      • Sand_Cat

        Back to the idiotic posts and the hypocritical “have a nice day,” I see.

    • PilotDave

      Those are Union Brothers building that plane, = Democratic voters !

    • Mike Browne

      Well, Mr. Jones, I’m 68. My employers and I have been paying 30% of my pre-tax income into Social Security and indirectly into other government subsidized progams, such as what was once known as food stamps, for 52 years. I’ll never recover my contrbution in full, but I’d be in a bad way without my monthy Social Security allotment and food stamp benefits.

    • carl6352

      YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT YOUR PEOPLE CALLED DEMOCRATS. NANCY PELOSI STEERS BILLIONS TO HER HUSBANDS DEFENSE COMPNANY. SHE SURE WILL RETIRE WITH A GOOD LIFE WITH ALL OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS. BEFORE BLOGGING ACTUALLY CHECK UP ON THINGS BEFORE MAKING A BLANKET STATEMENT LIKE THAT!

    • Herbert Shallcross

      Military spending has gone down. Food stamp costs have nearly doubled in the same time period.

    • Rustypelican

      Then why didn’t Democrats kill this project when they controlled both Congress and the White House in 2009? It looks like a bipartisan waste of time and money to me. They should cut their losses on the F35 and devote the money to developing something that actually works.

    • harrykuheim

      Hardly…lots of Dems and Unions are involved in all Military Industrial Complex projects and scream Bloody Murder when there is talk of Budget Cuts.

    • Lysy2

      Get a job stupid lib!

  • ObozoMustGo

    And now…. the REAL Cartoon of the Day!

    We finally know what Obozo meant when he said “forward”

    [click image to enlarge]

    Have a nice day!

    “Every nation that has ended in tyranny has come to that end by way of good order. It certainly does not follow from this that peoples should scorn public peace, but neither should they be satisfied with that and nothing more. A nation that asks nothing of government but the maintenance of order is already a slave in the depths of its heart; it is a slave of its well-being, ready for the man who will put it in chains.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    • 101strac

      yada, yada, yada.

    • bc81024

      You do like to post, maybe less of you and more of anyone else.

  • adriancrutch

    The PENTAGON Runs 234 golf courses around the WORLD! And a $80 million bavarian ski lodge. So what do we need an army for? To protect that shit! And that excuse for a doctor ,Mitch McConnell was bitchin about a lousy mechanical squirrel. When the 1000 or so generals and flag officers (retire) they go straight to the old folks home at LOCKHEED OR BOEING where they hold the line against the destroyers of corporate welfare! The Alternet was more on it! For you GOLFERS!

    • ObozoMustGo

      AC…. agreed. The Pentagon should not be in the business of running golf courses or ski lodges. They should instead put that money into higher pay for the soldiers and more weapons. We can’t have too many weapons, you see.

      And where would you, in all your mastermindedness, suggest retiring military guys go work when they leave the military? You dont want experienced people working at the companies that are responsible for building the things that keep us safe? What kind of jealousy enveloped cesspool of a mind do you have? How stupid can you be? Come on, open you mouth again and demonstrate just how stupid you can be. Please, take the bait moron!

      Have a nice day, and remain oblivious!

      “The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth.” – ObozoMustGo

      • adriancrutch

        your obviously not military, so by the looks of your other posts,you seem to be a demented childlike whiner who actually has no answers to defense spending. GO WATCH YOUR WORN OUT RED DAWN VHS TAPE! QUIT WATCHING OLD WAR MOVIES and PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACTS!

  • Landsende

    One trillion dollars added to the deficit for ONE plane. What was the original bid and how many cost over runs were there since defense contractors never finish on time and on budget. Yes, it employs a lot of people but it’s still corporate welfare when one plane costs that much.

    • ObozoMustGo

      Hello Land! How have you been? We havent chatted in a while so I figured I’d reach out to say hello and Merry Christmas.

      And regarding the cartoon, it’s not for one plane. It’s for an entire fleet of hundreds or thousands of them. It’s just one program. And like I said in my other post, Nationaal Defense is the number 1 responsibility of the Federal Government. In fact, it’s the only reason a federal government was even formed in the first place. And with defense spending, we get something back in return. It’s not corporate welfare as you put it. Not saying there isn’t corporate welfare, just saying defense spending is NOT corportate welfare.

      On the issue of “One Trillion dollars to fix our aging infrastructure”….. first off, isn’t that what Obozo said the so-called “stimulus package” was supposed to do? How’d that work out for us? NOT!!!! Secondly, where does the “much needed money into all the states” come from in the first place if not from the states? You understand where I’m going here, right? If the Feds didn’t steal it from the citizens of the state in the first place, there wouldnt be a need for the Feds to give it back. Besides, roads and bridges are local and state responsibilties in the first place, not federal responsibilities. You know that, Land. You’re a smart chickie.

      Have a great day and a wonderful Christmas season, Land.

      “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

      • Ed

        Obozo- Latst year the Air Force requested funds for 335 new fighters. Priced at 3.5 million dollars each. And now, before we canbuild those even , we are developing another. If you don’t see something wrong with that picture please ttell me where you went to school, I want to make sure my grandchildren do not go there.

        • ObozoMustGo

          Ed, there is no such thing as too many weapons for the US to have. And each program takes years to develop, but must be funded today for planes to be delivered tomorrow. I have no problem with defense spending. See my last response to you.

          Have a nice day, and Merry Christmas!

          “You mean that you’re telling me that we have to go spend more money to keep from going bankrupt? Yes, that’s what I’m telling you.” – Joe Biden

          • Bozo the Idiot you are so inconsiste in your comments. You keep claiming that President Obama is bankrupting the country and we should make cuts to spending. Well the top 3 are Defense, Social Security and Medicare. SS and medicare are funded by FICA and FICA Medicare, Defense is part of the budget. The US spends the most $ on defense than the next 5 countries do in total but you claim we shoudln’t make any cuts to defense spending.

            As far as each program taking years to develop you don’t seem to mention or mind the huge costs overruns. I work for a software company, if we bid on a project for $1mm, did the work and then told the client it would cost $2mm they wouldn’t pay the $2mm. The contract that work would be enforced for the bid amount. Why doesn’t the Defense dept do the same?

          • ObozoMustGo

            Bill… I don’t disagree that the DoD needs to be more efficient and penny wise. Certainly they do. My whole point is that our federal government has not one single purpose greater than our national defense. That was the reason the USA was created and our Constitution ratified, after all. Defense spending is also spending that we all benefit from, as well, not only from a defense perspective, but also economically because there is value created in the exchange of labor for compensation. There is no value created in the granting of compensation where there is no exchange of labor or talent for that compensation. That’s wasted money, and we have waaaayyyyy too many transfer payments, waaaayyyy too much robbing of Peter to pay Paul.

            The problem with SS and Medicare is that current payments come from current payers. There is no money in the lock box. You guys on the left should be spitting mad that the politicians have raided SS and Medicare for decades, placing worthless IOU’s into that box. Your vaunted social programs are Ponzi schemes and there is nothing left of them. And where do you think the money comes from to make good on those IOU’s? That’s right, it comes from General Revenues, not FICA taxes, because FICA taxes come in one door and immediately go out the next door. There is no surplus. It’s false and the whole system is going to collapse if serious and difficult reforms are not made very soon. You guys on the left have to accept this reality, Bill. Otherwise, the systems WILL be reformed, either intentionally and with purpose, or without any choice. And the “without any choice” option is NOT going to be a pretty option.

            One more point…. I don’t care what our defense spending is in relation to the rest of the world. In fact, I want our military to be 10x bigger and more powerful than everyone elses’ combined. Think about the practical application of your assertion that we spend more than the next 5 countries…. your implication being that we should not spend more than the next 5. That’s downright foolish. It’s national suicide. America has been the greatest force for good in human history and we should be the strongest by far.

            Have a nice weekend, Bill.

            “We have elected some very intelligent people to administer our government… ..WHY do they (all elected government officials at all levels; National, State, & Local) not understand that we cannot continue to SPEND more than we take in indefinitely without end … … .????? Have we all gone nuts????… ..Eventually, income MUST equal or exceed spending; it’s just plain common sense, not rocket science… … !!!” – Anonymous

          • Justin Napolitano

            The money to pay for the Social Security and medicare trust fund IOU’s comes from the same place that pays for the IOU’s sold to other countries, pension funds, saving bonds, insurance companies and private citizens purchase of Treasuries. those IOU’s are just as valid as China’s.
            Don’t forget that.

          • dorkydoodle

            I had to reply. After the Constitution was ratified it took a great deal of coaxing of the of the Congress to fund a Navy much less a standing army. The founding fathers were quite mistrustful of a standing army. Dwight Eisenhower,in fact, warned of the development of a politically powerful military industrial complex.

          • Justin Napolitano

            OK, I will rescind the not too bright comment and instead say that you sometimes border on stupid.

            We have been fighting a war for 12 years and you don’t need multimillion dollar weapons to go after hundred dollar targets. We will run out of money – kind of like now, before they will run out of hundred dollar targets. This was the strategy of Bin Laden; to lure us into a war that will cost us hundreds of billions and never end.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Nappy…. why doesn’t Obozo pull out of Afghanistan? Why did he renew the committment there and extend the pull out date until 2022 – 2024? Speaking of pulling out, your old man should have followed that advice.

            Merry Christmas, and continue to remain oblivious, Nappy!

            “The difference between being stupid and being a fool: A stupid person at least has an idea about their own inadequacies. The fool is oblivious to them, and is more inclined to believe their own fantasies and lies as truth.” – ObozoMustGo

      • Landsende

        Hi Bozo! You’re right. The one trillion is for more than one plane. The actual cost of each plane rose from 69 million to 137 million which will cost taxpayers 396 billion which is four times as much as any other weapon systems and 2/3 of the 589 billion the United States has spent on the war in Afghanistan. The long term cost of operating the airplanes is projected at 1.1 trillion. Considering the cost over runs and the federal deficit this is one area of the defense budget that should be cut.

        As for the money for fixing our aging infrastructure and creating thousands of construction jobs the republicans blocked the funds for it. You say the states should be responsible for their own repairs but I think the victims of Hurricane Sandy and the states that suffered devastating tornadoes and wildfires this last year would disagree with you since the states don’t have the resources to deal with tragedies like these.

        Once again we’ll have to agree to disagree but still wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas!

        • ObozoMustGo

          Thanks Land! We shall agree to disagree.

          Merry Christmas!

          “Nowhere at present is there such a measureless loathing of their country by educated people as in America.” — Eric Hoffer

      • Justin Napolitano

        Aside from the fact that you are not too bright I suppose you have never heard of the interstate highway system which is the responsibility of the federal government. I also presume you are not aware of the Federal gasoline tax which goes toward maintaining the Federal highway system.
        Obozo, with each post you confirm your dimness.

        • ObozoMustGo

          actually Nappy… as usual, you’re dumber-than-a-rock status is shining through. The states actually maintain the interstate highways. You’ve NEVER once seen a USA Highway Department maintaining road, fixing potholes, repaving a highway. NEVER! So the point is that the Feds steal your local money from the gas tax to funnel that money to themselves to then return to you after they take a cut from the top. A major cut. Not to mention the fact that the Fed bribes the states to do what the Fed wants them to do before they return a small % of the money they stole in the first place.

          You are the idiot in this discussion, Nappy. Clearly. If you think the Fed stealing your money to give back pennies on the dollar is a good thing, you’re too stupid for words, boy!

          Merry Christmas!

          “You can only confiscate the wealth that exists at a given moment. You cannot confiscate future wealth — and that future wealth is less likely to be produced when people see that it is going to be confiscated.” – Thomas Sowell

  • The pentagon alawys gets a blank check.

    • ObozoMustGo

      As they should!

      Have a nice weekend, Colleen!

      “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell

      • Justin Napolitano

        The Pentagon gets a blank check and obozo gives us the thinking of a blank mind.

        • USModerate

          Actually, President Obama is playing Chess, while ole’ Mitt and Allen West are drooling

  • daleheadley

    Well, at least we didn’t foolishly spend that money on helping people with such giveaways to lazy people, like food stamps, unemployment insurance, early childhood education, social security, Medicare, Medical, and those other wasteful projects. Instead, we wisely dumped it into a Pentagon hole in the ground.

  • Let’s put the 90% under or just over the poverty line and let’s spend the trillions needed for the new F-35 and the protection of the 10%. The rest of the world will be sure Americans are getting mad or think there’s something strange in the water they drink (maybe the effect of the fracking).

  • Yes graft and kickbacks are the worst.

  • commserver

    No wonder the GOP is so pro-defense. The spending is concentrated in those states where they are strong.

  • Farley Sayer

    I believe with the white collar welfare for republican districts. His detractor says the military spending creates jobs. Yeah it does, but only if you live near one of the few military factories. Take those same trillions and put them towards rebuilding Americas infrastructure. That is rebuilding roads,bridges,levis and damns. Only then would jobs be made available all across the U.S. . Thats what is the matter with the republican congress. They only want to spend on their buddies pork barrel military contracts. Yet Mr. Bonner says we are over spending. I don’t know about the rest of ya, but I haven’t seen a F-35 yet. They say they need trillions more for further testing of the F-35. Yes I spelled Mr. Beihners name wrong. I spelled it like it should be pronounced. I don’t see an “a” in there anywhere. We need to bring all of our troops home from every country they are in, I mean every country,Germany,Japan, South Korea,Italy and Great Brittain. All of those tax dollars could be better used here in the United States. Bring back all our troops, Regular and our national guard.

  • “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

    A ranter whose initials are, appropriately, OMG, posted this quote at the close of his justification for Pentagon spending, and against such wasteful things as earned benefits or feeding the hungry.
    Lockheed-Martin bragged that its F-22 program was employing people in “44 states”. I ask what is that, if not bribing the public with the public’s money, made worse by a corporation taking its cut of the public’s money off the top?
    BTW, the F-22, after 25 years of development, was first deployed in 2005. It requires 45 hours of service for every hour of flight. It has cost over $415M per copy. It is scheduled to be replaced by the F-35 above.

  • One thing I read was that 7 of 10 rich congressmen are Democrats ! So what is this putting down members of the C.O.P. or just Republicans in general like they are scum ? AQnd high cost work of all kinds pays in taxes ! This and much more but hey our countries defense is a top priarity ! China brags that they can use their satilites to sink our surfice ships in a time of war ! They built a new flat top , have new fighters probably using stolen tecknolagy as the USSR has done in the past ! Whoes side or you on who put us down ?

    • Try proof reading your comments befor posting them. It’s the GOP not COP, priority not priarity, satellites not satilites, surface not surfice, tochnology not tecknolagy, whose not whoes and I believe you meant whose side are you on not Whoes side or you on.
      Aside from the spelling errors you might want to learn how to craft a sentence and not write like you speak.

      • truthseeker53

        Handicapped by pubic ejukashun I’d guess.

    • ID675K

      I hope you check more thoroughly about the facts about the rich Democrats, that is not what I have found. Speaking out of ignorance and prejudices is BAD.
      Please stay on topic.

  • By the way Doug ! What does food stamps got to do with this ? I could write Go ‘ Bama ! But again what hat that to do about anything the artical was about ?

  • adriancrutch

    The F-35 is a COPY of the F-22. Which should tell you that the design work only had to be tweaked. So the tech work is what is taking so long?

    • truthseeker53

      Just guessing, unions.

    • USModerate

      And the F-22 shows the same problems in 3….2….1…

  • lte-21

    and canada is buying these things, to bad they most likely will see no defensive purpose and just become obsolete soon. thanks to the coservatives we have more prisons, more military spending, and vast reductions to enviromental protection of bodies of water and less protection of species on private lands. oh and i didnt even mention there attempts to sway scientific research and studies away from blaming petroleum companies for hings like the contaminating of the athabasca river and the effects of contamination of bodies of water up to 100km away from bitumen extraction sites.

  • Nothing new, every single politician has, and is, ripping off WE THE PEOPLE and this is just one of thousands of examples where these greedy crooks grease the hands of their supporters and donors.

  • hquain

    The point is to get the trillion, not to fly the thing. LIke the misnamed
    Great Recession, it’s a roaring success.

    • masher

      And then sell the technology to China.

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  • Guest

    I am a recipient of
    welfare. I receive foodstamps and have for some time now. I began to receive
    foodstamps when I lost my job working for an elected official. The official I
    worked for never came into the office and never went to community meetings, except
    right before election season. She hired me because of my strong reputation in
    the community just months before the election, and fired me after she secured
    the election. She hired me as her Outreach Coordinator. She fired me because I
    did a great job in my role and she was afraid that I would try to run against
    her in the future. She also blackballed me and made people uncomfortable with
    hiring me so that in spite of my great reputation, people didn’t want to be on
    the bad side of an elected official.

    Why I
    have a great reputation: I have a wide array of skills and talents, am highly
    professional and have a great amount of integrity. People all over my community
    and in my city know this because while I have been unemployed I contributed
    those skills and talents to various organizations and projects to help improve
    the quality of life in my community. I conceived, organized and implemented a
    variety of projects and events that promoted, branded and transformed my
    community and many of the public spaces, I built up new and established
    business, I connected community leaders, organization leaders and elected
    officials to each other, I connected many individuals in my community to
    services, and created collaboration in a community that was historically hostile
    and competitive.

    I have
    a Master’s Degree too, by the way.

    Now I
    used to get $367 per month in foodstamps, but recently in PA they changed the
    way they determine eligibility and so my allowance was reduced to $20. I was
    receiving euc, but that’s been cut and in spite of that, my foodstamps haven’t
    been raised, though I requested a raise. As a result, my 16 year old daughter
    and I have been eating sometimes as little as one meal every two days. I’m 5’9
    and before the hunger began I only weighed 126 pounds. When this extreme
    poverty first hit in January I lost 13 pounds in a week. People learned about
    it and that’s when they started bringing me food. I then began to lose only
    about half a pound a day. I’ve leveled out now, but I have stopped weighing myself
    because it’s stressing me out so much I began to sleep walk and once I guess
    tripped on something during my sleep walking and feel so hard that I knocked
    myself out. My friend found me face down on the floor. I probably had a
    concussion since this happened two weeks ago and I still have head pain but I
    don’t have insurance so I haven’t had a cat scan or anything and I just have to
    hope I don’t have a blood clot floating around in my brain.

    I have
    sent out my resume to hundreds of employers but in general employers in my city
    only hire people they or someone they trust knows. Also in my community the
    ratio of jobs to unemployed people who are submitting resumes is, I’m trying to
    remember this correctly because I just saw this stat today, it’s something like
    1000 people to 1 job.

    I’m
    really and truly tired of people assuming that if a person is poor that are
    uneducated, unskilled, unproductive, lazy individuals who contribute nothing.
    It’s not true. I’m not a big exception. Being Black also works against me, of
    course, because people are making similar assumptions about Black people too.
    But the reality is that poverty is a man made imposition. The reality of
    economics do not make it necessary for almost half the population to be in
    poverty and for public education to be in shambles. Black men are being
    incarcerated so that they may provide a source of free labor, they are targeted
    because people won’t stand up for my community because they actually believe
    that Black people are naturally criminals and thieves, and that even if we were
    given economic and educational opportunity we would run around killing and
    thieving. I mean, if you think about that, it’s ridiculous, but that’s what
    people think. No one stops to think about what it’s like to live life with those
    assumptions hanging over you no matter what you do or where you go. No one is
    standing up to make things better. The thing that I find really amazing is that
    the poverty and lack of opportunity that has plagued my community for so long
    is spreading like an epidemic now, regardless of race and the class one may
    have belonged to a year or two ago, but people are still holding on to these
    baseless ideas of an us and a them. As a result, they believe there are
    terrorists who we need to defend against when we live in the most terrorist-ic
    country in the world. We allow segments of our human race to be treated like
    they are subhuman instead of recognizing ourselves in each other and standing
    up for a better world by standing up for our neighbors. If we don’t do better,
    we’re going to live in a world where very few places look different than what
    we turned Iraq into, and those few places will be gated communities where the
    rich live at our expense, and I can pretty much guarantee that everyone
    commenting on this post, including those who stand up for the government, will
    be outside of those gates.

    This
    response is not really about the plane, but is in response to comments
    regarding the White Collar Welfare statement made by Drake Jones, and in
    particular, the response to that statement offered by ObozoMustGo. My cousin is
    in the army and did two tours in Iraq during the height of the war. He loved
    the army when he went in, but learned to hate it and the reason is what he saw
    himself to be actually representing as opposed to what it was that he thought
    he represented. This former marine
    reflects the feelings my cousin expressed to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YsBXqBdTqY

    Some additional interesting videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1gF-XicUM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDUORrvUrg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlL0I5AWLI

    Stop
    buying into these divisionary concepts! We will not survive without each other!

    Finally,
    this is a full length documentary:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_CwzA0bk

  • Yahyah

    I am a recipient of
    welfare. I receive foodstamps and have for some time now. I began to receive
    foodstamps when I lost my job working for an elected official. The official I
    worked for never came into the office and never went to community meetings, except
    right before election season. She hired me because of my strong reputation in
    the community just months before the election, and fired me after she secured
    the election. She hired me as her Outreach Coordinator. She fired me because I
    did a great job in my role and she was afraid that I would try to run against
    her in the future. She also blackballed me and made people uncomfortable with
    hiring me so that in spite of my great reputation, people didn’t want to be on
    the bad side of an elected official.

    Why I
    have a great reputation: I have a wide array of skills and talents, am highly
    professional and have a great amount of integrity. People all over my community
    and in my city know this because while I have been unemployed I contributed
    those skills and talents to various organizations and projects to help improve
    the quality of life in my community. I conceived, organized and implemented a
    variety of projects and events that promoted, branded and transformed my
    community and many of the public spaces, I built up new and established
    business, I connected community leaders, organization leaders and elected
    officials to each other, I connected many individuals in my community to
    services, and created collaboration in a community that was historically hostile
    and competitive.

    I have
    a Master’s Degree too, by the way.

    Now I
    used to get $367 per month in foodstamps, but recently in PA they changed the
    way they determine eligibility and so my allowance was reduced to $20. I was
    receiving euc, but that’s been cut and in spite of that, my foodstamps haven’t
    been raised, though I requested a raise. As a result, my 16 year old daughter
    and I have been eating sometimes as little as one meal every two days. I’m 5’9
    and before the hunger began I only weighed 126 pounds. When this extreme
    poverty first hit in January I lost 13 pounds in a week. People learned about
    it and that’s when they started bringing me food. I then began to lose only
    about half a pound a day. I’ve leveled out now, but I have stopped weighing myself
    because it’s stressing me out so much I began to sleep walk and once I guess
    tripped on something during my sleep walking and feel so hard that I knocked
    myself out. My friend found me face down on the floor. I probably had a
    concussion since this happened two weeks ago and I still have head pain but I
    don’t have insurance so I haven’t had a cat scan or anything and I just have to
    hope I don’t have a blood clot floating around in my brain.

    I have
    sent out my resume to hundreds of employers but in general employers in my city
    only hire people they or someone they trust knows. Also in my community the
    ratio of jobs to unemployed people who are submitting resumes is, I’m trying to
    remember this correctly because I just saw this stat today, it’s something like
    1000 people to 1 job.

    I’m
    really and truly tired of people assuming that if a person is poor that are
    uneducated, unskilled, unproductive, lazy individuals who contribute nothing.
    It’s not true. I’m not a big exception. Being Black also works against me, of
    course, because people are making similar assumptions about Black people too.
    But the reality is that poverty is a man made imposition. The reality of
    economics do not make it necessary for almost half the population to be in
    poverty and for public education to be in shambles. Black men are being
    incarcerated so that they may provide a source of free labor, they are targeted
    because people won’t stand up for my community because they actually believe
    that Black people are naturally criminals and thieves, and that even if we were
    given economic and educational opportunity we would run around killing and
    thieving. I mean, if you think about that, it’s ridiculous, but that’s what
    people think. No one stops to think about what it’s like to live life with those
    assumptions hanging over you no matter what you do or where you go. No one is
    standing up to make things better. The thing that I find really amazing is that
    the poverty and lack of opportunity that has plagued my community for so long
    is spreading like an epidemic now, regardless of race and the class one may
    have belonged to a year or two ago, but people are still holding on to these
    baseless ideas of an us and a them. As a result, they believe there are
    terrorists who we need to defend against when we live in the most terrorist-ic
    country in the world. We allow segments of our human race to be treated like
    they are subhuman instead of recognizing ourselves in each other and standing
    up for a better world by standing up for our neighbors. If we don’t do better,
    we’re going to live in a world where very few places look different than what
    we turned Iraq into, and those few places will be gated communities where the
    rich live at our expense, and I can pretty much guarantee that everyone
    commenting on this post, including those who stand up for the government, will
    be outside of those gates.

    This
    response is not really about the plane, but is in response to comments
    regarding the White Collar Welfare statement made by Drake Jones, and in
    particular, the response to that statement offered by ObozoMustGo. My cousin is
    in the army and did two tours in Iraq during the height of the war. He loved
    the army when he went in, but learned to hate it and the reason is what he saw
    himself to be actually representing as opposed to what it was that he thought
    he represented. This former marine
    reflects the feelings my cousin expressed to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YsBXqBdTqY

    Some
    interesting videos:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc1gF-XicUM

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVDUORrvUrg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxlL0I5AWLI

    Stop
    buying into these divisionary concepts! We will not survive without each other!

    Finally,
    this is a full length documentary:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a36_CwzA0bk

    Sorry for arbitrary line breaks. The post created them. I tried to delete and repost, but they don’t show when I’m typing.

  • EmilyGoodall

    Just stopped by for the comments.

  • ID675K

    It seems to me some Republican congressmen will cut benefits to the poor, the college students, the middle class, etc so they can pay for the $200 million F-22 fighter aircraft, $2 billion aircraft carrier, etc to keep the campaign contributions from their rich friends in the defense industries rolling.

  • JHoughton1

    The thing to keep in mind, not that it makes this project any less idiotic, is that the trillion dollars has gone into the pockets of American companies and American workers. Would we have been better off to spend it on schools and roads and research? Of course! But those things don’t have powerful lobbyists. So if you’re going to have fiscal stimulus, you have to realize that the military is the only taxpayer-funded, government-run jobs program that Republicans will vote for.

    • masher

      The money doesn’t even go to American companies. These are NOT American companies anymore. They are all global. So the money doesn’t even stay here nor does the technology.

  • laughinglarry

    This site is just polluted with bureaucrats from the defense industry. These are the fattest laziest people in America. These people are not only living off of the real working people in our country. They are leading our country to industrialized fascism. Republican pro war activists are demanding that the US continue killing thousands of people around the world everyday of every year for 100 years. In fact they have invented the concept of “PERMAMENT WAR. According to these greedy bastards they are patriotic because they are committing mass murder in our names. We are already the most hated country in the world. Soon just like the old racist South African state we will only have the Apartheid State of Israel will be our ally.

    Paranoid European-Americans are already building coalitions to form the great last white hope. All of these whining bureaucrats want to keep their heads in the slop trough of government jobs. These and the one percent welfare rich are leading our country into mass murder for profit.

    Only a complete fool will fall for their game of provoking racial hatred.
    There stereo types of black welfare mothers sitting on the couch eating bonbons is nothing but a stock racist stereotype.

    Don’t be fooled by the filthy bloody war lobby. End attempts at world domination be permanent war.

  • Herbert Shallcross

    This is a news article? One provocative headline, one particularly cheesy cartoon graphic, and no story. No facts. No sources. No indication of where the $1Trillion figure was plucked from. There are pictures of the F-35 available, but the National Memo is apparently too cheap to pay for one.

  • ConstanceUnderfoot

    The F-15 is 115-0 in air combat, which is why Hussein didn’t launch one fighter in opposition. That plane is a 40 year old design with uprgrades, and get’s wiped out by the F-22. Total air-superiority isn’t cheap, but with a son in the Marines, I know that there are benefits to that cost.

  • crygdyllyn

    Meanwhile, we cancel the A-10, the best ground attack aircraft ever built….and it was cheap, too. About $15 million per plane. Cheap.
    The F-35 is so expensive, that they are too expensive to put into
    harm’s way.
    Cheaper to let our soldiers die.

    • masher

      The A-10 had a critical design flaw: the company that made it is no longer in business (the planes outlived the company) and thus has no lobby in DC. No lobby power == No budget.

  • Blindsquirl

    Money is no object.. when it comes to feeding the MIC beast.
    When it impacts deficits.. no problem.
    When the National debt hits $18 TRILLION.. no problem.

    When it comes to feeding PEOPLE… meh.

  • David Ricca

    These boondoggles rarely having anything to do with National Defense. There objectives: 1) Secure the Facist organizations in this country, 2) The profits are reckoned in Dollars, and the Losses in Lives. – 21,000 new millionaires & billionaires were created in the United States during WW I, alone 3) WW I cost the taxpayers $52 Billion in 1919 dollars – $400 foe every taxpayer. Who benefited: DuPont, US & Bethlehem Steel, Anaconda, Meat Packers, Leather Cos, etc.

    Conclusion: Every American War is created for Big Multinational Companies who enjoy Windfall Profits. The Nazis were not the only ones who sold their people on War; the Pentagon spends $ billion of dollars selling War to the American People. The Military Channel is now called the “American Hero Channel” to soften the delivery. It’s not about killing innocent people, but making American Heroes. Who any way you look at it, end up Dead. ie. Pat Tillman, x-NFL Football Player, killed in Afghanistan.

    • Tea Party Anarchist

      Yep.

    • masher

      Our open borders prove that it has nothing to do with actual defense.

  • SailorRet

    When President Reagan authorized building the obsolete and unneeded B-2 bomber, there was a popular joke at the time. Back then a cruise missile cost a million dollars. The B-2 cost a billion dollars each.

    The joke was “What would scare an enemy more, one B-2 that could only fly at high altitude, only at night and only in good weather or 1000 cruise missiles that could come at any time, in any weather and at any altitude?

    The Navy could buy 3 F/A-18s for the cost on one F-35. What would scare an enemy more, 3 F/A-18s or one F-35?

    • masher

      Considering our borders are open and we issue visas like candy there isn’t any point in invading the US. You just request visas or walk here. No papers needed. And as for technology, thanks to free trade that all just gets sent to China. So yes, its all a complete waste of money.

      • SailorRet

        “Open borders?” “visas like candy” I can’t think of a more ignorant claim. You should learn how difficult and expensive it is to get an American visa. While you are at it, you should ask yourself why hundreds of people die every year in near suicidal attempts in trying to get across the US border. It is not because the border is “open.”

  • whiskytime

    Fly! Who cares if it actually flies? It’s only purpose is to provide employment to those districts whose congressmen enable this albatross to go one forever with NO financial accountability ever. Fly, make me laugh.

  • Eric Matterson

    Meanwhile, the government feels that unemployment insurance is too expensive.

  • sickntired44

    As Eisenhower so aptly put in his farewell speech, “This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms
    industry is new in the American experience. The total influence —
    economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every
    State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the
    imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to
    comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood
    are all involved; so is the very structure of our society”.

  • Burt1

    The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats. It just depends on which group is getting the entitlements. It will all be over soon…so don’t worry

  • masher

    At least our borders are secure…oh wait. Ok, so at least this will stop another 9/11…oh right they were invited in on student visas.

    Whenever you run into a pro-big government/pro-defense’er frothing at the mouth just remind them that we invited all the 9/11 guys in. They didn’t invade. Our borders are open, millions of illegals proves that, and 9/11 happened because we have a very liberal immigration policy. There is really NO point is spending money on defense when you have open borders, free trade, and liberal immigration.

    • Over 200,000 Muslims are brought to the US every year as ‘refugees.’ Refugees from Muslims ‘wars.’

      That is how the Boston bombers got here.

      Luvsiesous.com

  • Lysy2

    Obamacare broke this barrier at the very start, not mentioning so called ‘War on Poverty’ Poverty won, hands down! What a bunch of liberal BS!

  • W L Simpson

    & it’s Chinese money , borrowed to feed the military/industrial complex Ike
    warned us about , 50 or so years ago.

  • zipper

    i think that is an estimate for the eventual, final cost of the program once the aircraft is fully deployed amongst the various branches of military. don’t forget, it’s supposed to replace ALL existing aircraft currently in use.
    the cost has spiraled upward due to costly delays to fix “bugs.”
    i do not in a “do-it-all” single aircraft platform. Very flawed concept.

  • DUbangee Urmomma

    NI^^ERS and FAGS are DESTROYING the USA—-
    EXTERMINATE THEM to SAVE AMERIKA!!!!!