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Monday, September 26, 2016

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Eric Holder has opened what will be an epic battle over whether our country will remain committed to equal rights at the ballot box. In a display of egregious judicial activism in late June, the conservative majority on the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act. Holder made clear last week he intends to fight back.

The struggle will begin in Texas, but it won’t end there. “We cannot allow the slow unraveling of the progress that so many, throughout history, have sacrificed so much to achieve,” Holder told the National Urban League’s annual conference.

He wasn’t exaggerating the stakes. From the moment the Supreme Court threw out Section 4 of the act, which subjected the voting laws in states and jurisdictions with a history of discrimination to Justice Department scrutiny, conservative legislators in those places gleefully signaled their intention to pass laws to make it harder to vote. In addition, Texas re-imposed a redistricting map that a federal court had already ruled was discriminatory.

These hasty moves were unseemly but entirely predictable, proving that Chief Justice John Roberts’ opinion in the case will become a Magna Carta for voter suppression. Without having to worry about “preclearance” from the Justice Department, legislators can go about their business of making it more difficult for voters who would throw them out of office to reach the polls — and of drawing racially gerrymandered districts that prolong their tenure. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg understood a logic here that escaped Roberts. “A governing political coalition,” she wrote in her dissent, “has an incentive to prevent changes in the existing balance of voting power.”

This in turn means that when a political party fares badly with minority voters, it will try to turn them away from the polling booths. That’s what segregationist Southern Democrats did in the past. Many Republican-controlled legislatures are doing it now.

Holder announced he was using Section 3, a different part of the Voting Rights Act that was left standing, to ask a federal court to re-subject Texas to preclearance. It is a less efficient way to achieve what the pre-gutted act allowed automatically, but it is the best that can be done for now. It would be better still if Congress reinstated a revised version of Section 4. In the meantime, the hope is to limit the damage of the high court’s folly — and perhaps also give other states pause before they rush into new discriminatory schemes.

“This is the department’s first action to protect voting rights following the [Supreme Court] decision, but it will not be our last,” Holder declared. His department is likely to move this week against the Texas voter-identification law, and to go to court eventually against other states that pass comparable statutes.

  • Catskinner

    This is so stupid. Voter ID is all about stopping voter fraud. It has nothing to do with suppression, except in those cases where it prevents a single person from voting multiple times in an election, and prevents illegal aliens from voting.

    • You are one dumb dude.

      • InsideEye

        There was a woman in Chicago that admitted just that, voting several times. And she was proud of that, in a televised interview, she described how it was done quite clearly.

        • tobyspeeks

          There was one woman… sums it up pretty well.

          Voter fraud sucks, election fraud sucks the same, but if you look at the cases that have been investigated with convictions it’s something like .000009%. Not a significant number to make a difference in any election. And to boot, most convicted for voter and election fraud have been right-wing nut jobs who are the ones screaming about it the loudest in the first place.

          This is nothing but smoke, mirrors and fear tactics. The only thing the GOTbillies are good at. Because they certainly have no productive ideas unless you count digging their noses into women’s reproductive health.

          Who Am I kidding? I just tried to explain facts to a factless moron.

          • artolga

            we have a passion for anything illegal in this country ie so called immigration reform where we bend over backwards for illegals and nothing for those waiting to immigrate legally. so I guess allowing illegal voting is the next step???

          • InsideEye

            You are trying to explain facts to a factless moron” probably a Chris Matthews listener.

          • kanawah

            No, the fool trying to “explain the facts” using lies is a Faux news (NOT) fan.

        • sigrid28

          She was probably a set-up by the Republican party intent on limiting voting rights–if she exists at all.

          • InsideEye

            Your are right of course, silly me. How does Having an ID suppress voter rights?

            It is 2,4,6 years between elections…even I can find find a place to get an ID in that time period…..maybe i can even sign up for food stamps, or disability payments, or SSN, Medicaid, Medicare,WIC, or Obama phones, or ……

          • LotusJoan

            The Brennan Center for Justice can explain to you how these “Voter ID” laws are voter suppression. Look it
            up educate yourself on this and stop posting nonsense.

          • InsideEye

            Evidently the Brennan Center needs more work on trying to present arguments on Section 5, before the Supreme Court. All voting should be held on Voting holiday, when everyone is off and is elligible to vote except undocumemented people….we do not want interlopers adjusting elections. There are many ways true undocumented people can find their root documents. Even my grandparents did it. I can show them how to do it, no fees.

          • LotusJoan

            What country do you live in that everyone is off on voting day?
            Exactly what I am talking about – ignorance abounds; It is one national resource we have in abundance.

          • InsideEye

            I am suggesting that we have a voting holiday, that way everyone can vote. I believe some countries vote on a Sunday for that reason. No need to write a thousand page , unreadable Pelosi bill to Vote. if you are a citizen (documented) then you can vote….simple!

          • Sand_Cat

            You’re suggesting that, but it isn’t going to happen, and you know it. Makes you look fair-minded, or so you think. Even if it did, do you imagine this as a paid holiday? Of course everyone can afford to lose a day’s pay, right? And they’re likely to have to spend all day and more: the same people voting for these laws are those voting to limit voting hours, and gerrymander districts to assure minority and other likely Democratic districts will have a far higher ratio of voters to machines, and their friends controlling allocation will assure that more of the machines in those districts break down or otherwise don’t work correctly.
            As usual, “conservatives” project their own attitudes on the opposition: the “conservative” south – and likely plenty of conservatives elsewhere – conducted massive voter fraud, intimidation, and even murder to elect their candidates for years, but now that – no thanks to the supreme court and the modern Republican party – that’s no longer as easy as it used to be for them, they have to make sure that those people who finally have the right to vote against them can’t do so.
            Are you willing to pay a tax to compensate those people who can’t afford to take a day off to vote, much less to take buses and trains across town or elsewhere and spend hours in line and pay money to get a photo ID? If not, your whole series of posts here brands you as just another hypocrite lying to try to assure his hate-filled, racist, and dishonest party can scrape together the votes to head off majority rule just one more time.

          • InsideEye

            Yes, a paid federal holiday of course, what better reason could there be.

          • kanawah

            Several countries in Europe have election days as holidays.

          • MJRinPA

            I’ll take you up on that offer. Get a copy of a birth certificate, and a marriage certificate, and a driver’s license or non-driver’s id from the DMV; without paying any fees.

          • Justin Napolitano

            For all we know you are not permitted to vote because you are a convicted Felon.

          • InsideEye

            You are referring to Romney, he was called a felon…not convicted though. What are you basing your anger on, that I am a felon…..strong assertions. I have always voted, Democratic even, ..not lately, I am an issues person, sorry you are so steamed up….Sacre’ Bleu !!

          • Justin Napolitano

            Really? I suppose you have the money to buy one too? I also suppose you have the transportation to take you too a place to get one. I also assume you have your birth certificate and other documents required to get a picture ID. You must know that many older people have a serious problem getting a birth certificate.because they may not know the city or state were they were born. Record keeping was not that great 75 or 80 years ago.
            But that is OK since the idea is to keep them from voting even though they have been voting most of their lives.
            Please admit that you just want these folks to not be able to vote.

          • InsideEye

            You are citing extremes, that can be rectified., within a reasonable amount of time one get get their papers in order. I do not admit that, because it is not so.

          • Sand_Cat

            Citing extremes? You, the voter fraud chicken-little, criticize someone for citing extremes? You’re only trying to prevent that welfare queen Ronald Reagan made up from voting nine or ten times, right?
            You’re not only a hypocrite, but not a particularly clever one, either. “That can be rectified”? Not if your buddies passing these laws can help it.
            Why don’t you just face the fact that you haven’t a leg to stand on beyond naked partisanship?

          • InsideEye

            I was replying to someone who stated that voting fraud does not exist, ” show me” he asked. So I just happened to see a man in the street interview, that was a woman admitting that she did so. There was no indication of the prevalence of such activity but in Chicago , one never knows.

          • Joseph Squerciati

            Funny thing is the one case of voter fraud by attempting to cast multiple votes involved a Republican who claimed he was just trying to test the system .
            We do have the implausible account of Mittens voting for Scott Brown while living in his sons basement . Mitt does have a home in next door New Hampshire and could possibly have multiple drivers licenses which would enable to vote in BOTH New Hampshire AND Massachusetts without ever being caught by voter ID laws . I am suggesting he DID but I am suggesting that they should have looked more closely at his vote for Brown . A Republican tried to get the state to look into it but they REFUSED to do so

          • Joseph Squerciati

            Yes indeed I remember the case of an elderly black women who was in Pennsylvania Voter Hall of Fame for voting in some large number elections .It turns out Voter ID would impact her .

            In many rural areas theres is NO public transit to get the DMV and DMV offices have limited hours often times based on the nature of the group they serve

          • Justin Napolitano

            Isn’t it interesting that you know all of these federal and State programs that are available. You are probably signed up for all of them.

          • InsideEye

            No , not signed up for them, but do know of them, I work in healthcare in large cities and quite familiar, with them. Wow this has really got your tail.

          • Sand_Cat

            Wow, you really are determined to be obnoxious as well as dishonest.

          • InsideEye

            Wow, nope just relaying my experiences. Dishonest how?

          • kanawah

            When the states requiring ID makes it virtually impossible to get the IDs, it IS voter suppression. Most of the “southern states and Texas” are deliberately making it VERY difficult to get the IDs. The source of the IDs are often located “few and far between” (deliberately). The hours are often “restricted”. The documents that are acceptable are often “arbitrarily changed and added” when the person comes in to get the ID. It is a deliberate effort to prevent people having access to the ballot.

            This is deliberate voter suppression (voter fraud).

          • InsideEye

            Good Grief !!!! Elections are 2-6 years apart, if you can not find suitable ID proof in that period of time, you are too ignorant to vote, there are many Voters registration groups to get you ID’d that can help. otherwise if no /id ,you may find busloads of poor ignorant White and much smarter Asian people being transported to several voting centers to vote with no ID. What would you suggest???

        • Justin Napolitano

          OK, tell us who she was? Can’t do it because she doesn’t exist.

          • InsideEye

            I saw it about 2 weeks ago. I will have to find it. What is in it for me. I believe she was from Chicago. I am sure others can verify this also. Will it change your mind that these things occur.?, probably not.

          • Sand_Cat

            But you’re just citing extremes, right? That can be rectified.
            Besides, your friends probably suppressed enough votes by other means to more than cover those people who voted ten times, even assuming there were any.

          • InsideEye

            As stated elsewhere there are plenty of voter rights citizens groups to help one get proper ID for voting. All of the major parties could take you to the proper places, it is to their advantage. I would do it for you also.

          • Sand_Cat

            And will they make up for lost pay if one has to stand in line all day on a work day because these perfectly innocent laws also cut back on hours and go hand-in-hand with allocation of too few and defective voting machines to likely Democratic districts? Will they pay the fees for getting the IDs themselves and the documents required? And why should they have to? Why is it that the only evidence of recent voter fraud is several cases involving the same party trying to pass all these laws?

            Give it up; we all know you’re just a liar, on this issue at least. You have no evidence of fraud, no explanation of why inhibiting those with the ID from voting by cutting back hours and other measures clearly designed to make it more difficult for legal voters to cast their ballots will reduce fraud, or any thing else to support your ridiculous claims. So the “proof” is in the mail to JN? The oldest con in the book. Even if you send something, what lunatic right “rag” will be the source?
            The only reason the NY Times looks “left-wing” to you is that you’re looking from far-right crazyland.

          • InsideEye

            I never mentioned NY Times. Fees should be waved for this one time need to to recover documents. People go to SSN, Medicare office all of the time Or on line if you have access. So if I send something to JN it is suspect, oh mighty one. I did not make this up. But evidently you are talking to yourself and want to re assure your beliefs. I stated before that a federal paid Voting holiday would assure everyone access to voting, what better reason for a paid holiday to be used, not for auto sales, but to vote. All employers would give up the same amount of work hours and there would be no competitive edge lost to anyone.
            Simple, no 2000 page rules , no politics.

          • Sand_Cat

            My apologies(really). That was Catskinner, who supports your position here, and has also revealed on a different article that he is a bigot who worries about how much control the Jews have over all the rest of us. You seem like a decent guy I disagree strongly with. Doesn’t it make you feel dirty to have people like Catskinner supporting you? I find many of the politicians pushing these laws equally distasteful (one of the reasons for the anger too often displayed in my posts). I know that doesn’t make you one of them, but your support may aid them in getting more people like them in our government.

          • InsideEye

            I like to reply to statements, not name calling. Dicussing statements point to point…..maybe inject a little humor? JN calls me fellon, a non voter etc. there is some latent hatred in some of these posts….so the replies will also be similar. No apologies necessary . I like talking with anyone, I may actually change. All views are from personal factual experiences and that is ok….we do have to explain however on how we got there. Thanks, Sand _ Cat….will duel again.

          • InsideEye

            Hamilton County vs M Richardson, Cincinnati ,Ohio can be found on YouTube. Not too prevalent. Maybe more going on that is unknown and being investigated.
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          • Sand_Cat

            Look, I’d like to say I was in a nasty mood the other day and apologize for the personal attacks.
            But on the political side, you’re willing to disenfranchise significant numbers of people on the basis that there “maybe more going on”? I’m betting that you – and/or many other supporters of these bills – are more than willing, if not downright enthusiastic about ignoring and deriding environmental, worker safety, and other human rights protections supported by far, far more evidence than you could muster for this alleged voter fraud if you devoted full time to it.

            I called your posts “lies” because I firmly believe you have to know that many people who are legitimate tax-paying citizens will at a minimum find these new requirements an onerous burden added to an already difficult life, and many will not feel able to comply, and because it’s hard to believe you haven’t heard the open bragging by legislators voting for these laws that they will in fact guarantee Republican victories in places where they would not otherwise win.

          • InsideEye

            Hamilton County vs M Richardson, Cincinnati ,Ohio can be found on YouTube. Not too prevalent. Maybe more going on that is unknown and being investigated.
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          • InsideEye

            Hamilton County vs M Richardson , Cincinnati , Ohio. Not too prevalent perhaps, but they found additional cases and being investigated. I am sure it will be quashed to save face.it is on YOUTUBE and elsewhere .

        • kanawah

          She was one of less than 10 who did so. The southern red states have tried to find cases of voter fraud.
          All of the states of the confederacy has been able to fine about 25 cases in all of those states. The use of “voter fraud” as and excuse for voter suppression is the biggest instance of voter fraud.

          Attorney General Eric Holder must press ahead against all states that try to suppress the vote.

    • DAK27

      You’re right… now if there were actual voter fraud to be stopped. The only fraud I ever hear about is being done by the GOP.

    • FT66

      Is there any evidence a single person is voting multiple times in an election? If you have, then take them to court immediately because it is against the law. We can not live on assumptions and make them the truth.

      • sigrid28

        Please tell Catskinner that there were two convictions in the 2012 election in Texas: Problem solved through the established channels so no reason to enact new legislation, you would think.

    • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

      What voter fraud? Where is the proof? There is not proof because there is none. What about those who do not have Photo ID and can not get Photo ID’s because they were born at a time and place where there were not birth certificates, or they do not drive or never have driven, or have no way of getting to a DMV because they do not drive and can not afford public transportation. Why are they shortening voting hours, how does that stop voter fraud (that does not exist) but those who are paid hourly are hurt by it if they leave to go to vote and if they wait til after work the polls will be closed or closing. How does limiting early voting or Sunday Early Voting prevent voter fraud. They do however stop those who vote on weekends before election day, so they do not have to leave work early and cut their paycheck. It does stop Souls to the Polls day where people go vote from church. It is not about voter fraud it is about Voter Suppression.

      • Vazir Mukhtar

        Leaving aside for a minute the question of voter fraud, let’s remember that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If you require an example, consider that for years people maintained that all swans were white; there was no such thing as a black swan. This notion was widely accepted, until one day a black swan turned up. There’s even a book, “The Black Swan,” but it’s not about waterfowl, but unexpected events.

        If you want to discuss the idea of people showing a photo ID when they are about to vote, find another argument than the presence or absence of voter fraud. It’s a non-starter.

        Besides, what happens in the cases where voters cast absentee ballots. They send in a copy of their photo ID?

        • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG

          Than why have Photo ID, remember your original post “This is so stupid. Voter ID is all about stopping voter fraud” So if it is not about Voter Fraud (which there is no overwhelming voter fraud), what is the purpose of the Photo ID? Also what is the purpose of your second post which makes no sense, President Bush did a 5 year investigation into voter fraud and turned up virtually no evidence of voter fraud.

        • Lovefacts

          The only voter fraud has been with the GOP. They hire people to register voters and then when someone registers as a Democrat, they throw out the registration cards–multiple times. The Republicans are afraid of continued losing of the WH and, in time, the House and Senate. The Republicans action is nothing more than voter suppression, which they’re selling as preventing voter fraud.

          • Vazir Mukhtar

            I believe my remarks have by the way I’ve stated them misled various readers. I AM concerned about and (though my earlier posts may not have clearly indicated that) unalterably opposed to disenfranchisement. So let me pose some questions the answers to which may help me better understand the issue/situation. I live in a district where to the best of knowledge no one has claimed to have been disenfranchised or committed fraud.

            If voter registers are public records, it is possible to check those records six weeks, say, before an election, and then compare them with the records used to disenfranchise registered voters at polling places?

            Are data available that show by state — or breakdown by counties– the number of registered voters denied voting? Are the names of the poll workers denying a voter the right to vote recorded, along with the day, date and time, names of witnesses?

            Does a voter denied the right to vote at a polling place have the right to file a preliminary ballot that later, before the final vote tally is recorded, is checked against a “master” registration list?

            To what extent are voters using absentee ballots disenfranchised?

            Now if there are references I may review, it’ll be easier for someone to point me to them than to answer all these questions. And, yes, I’m doing some research on my own, but haven’t the time (40-60 hr work week) to turn an examination into disenfranchisement and fraud into a full-time project.

            I admit that I am less well-informed than I should be, but believe I am on the side of the angels.

          • charleo1

            If one believes in the principal of democracy, then they will
            not support denying the Right of 100,000 to prevent the abuse of that Right by 10. If one is an ideologue, who is so convinced in the importance of his ideas prevailing over the wishes of a plurality, you get bills such as these we see coming out of these Republican led State Legislatures, and signed by these Republican Governors. Common sense my friend is what is called for, not a lot of your time. Since the studies, and investigations have been done, and produced nothing as to warrant this unprecedented action. Certainly, those favoring such anti-fraud measures, would have wanted nothing more than to produce beforehand, case after unacceptable case, to bolster their contentions the need for immediate action.
            The truth is, the cases were just not there. As I’ve sighted
            before, an extensive,(Republican,) Justice Department investigation, looking at the years between 2002, and 2007,
            concluded in the over 300,000 (Million) votes cast nationwide,
            86 cases of voter fraud were prosecuted. The breakdown
            of those cases included felons who had not understood the
            specific law governing their Civil Rights after moving to a
            different State. (Some grant voting Rights to felons upon
            release, and completion of parole, others require a lengthy
            legal process.) So, even in these infinitesimally small number of cases, the question of intentional fraud was not a universal factor. There is no other fair, non partisan conclusions to make that the motivation for these restrictive laws are to fight fraud, or increase the confidence in the electoral system.

    • highpckts

      Wow! You are so right! Thank goodness the GOP is looking out for all that voter fraud and making sure everything is fair! NOT!

    • InsideEye

      You are so insensitive…..it does…. Having an ID suppress voter rights?

      It is 2,4,6 years between elections…even I can find find a place to get an ID in that time period…..maybe i can even sign up for food stamps, or disability payments, or SSN, Medicaid, Medicare,WIC, or Obama phones, or ……

      Oooops , I am so insensitive as well, people are so busy signing up for food stamps, or disability payments, or SSN, Medicaid, Medicare,WIC, or Obama phones, or ……etc, how in the world do you expect them to have time for getting an ID of any kind . You must be workin’ or somethin’.

      You are an in ingrate, Catskinner. Core Ingrato !!!!

      • Catskinner

        Inside: Actually, I’m very sensitive to the needs and frustrations of the American voters. It’s the cheats and illegal aliens I have a problem with.

        • InsideEye

          I agree with you of course.

          • Catskinner

            Yes, I got that. Thank you, not many on this site do.

          • InsideEye

            This forum seems to preach to the choir, but I do not think it is unreasonable to identify oneself at the voting booth……good grief…is this a radical request…it is common sense.

          • Sand_Cat

            Wow, what a surprise!

          • InsideEye

            Surprise, Catskinner made a simple proposal for proper ID at the voting booth….what is wrong with that. Maybe we should try it your way. Anyone can vote anywhere ,anytime, across state lines. Votes will never get counted.

        • Sand_Cat

          Such as your friends in the House?

          • Catskinner

            As far as I know, there aren’t any illegal aliens in the House.

          • Sand_Cat

            But plenty of cheats.

      • Sand_Cat

        Those things are concerned with survival; voting is not. Despite all your rationalizations, do you really believe that you’d vote instead of feeding your children? Well, I guess you might.

        • InsideEye

          If you can provide some ID for these programs you can also get an ID for voting. Ther are many local voters rights group that can help. Registration drives are done constantly.

    • LotusJoan

      Your willingness, eagerness to display your naivety and lack of knowledge is staggering. You constantly inflate the particular to the universal . You share this trait with your heroes, Representative King, & Michelle. You are blinded by hyperbole and you would not know a credible source if you sat on him. You continually post without reading the article that you have posted
      to. You never site sources and when pressed your source does not say what you said it did.

      Your continual showcasing of your willful and gleeful ignorance annoys. Your comments are like the younger brother or sister, “Can I come too?” You could if you would broaden your knowledge and perspective on the important issues being discussed. Otherwise you are just unnecessary weight, a distraction, like a mosquito, or fleas on a dog.

      • InsideEye

        Aristotle said that Universals are indeed Particulars and ther fore then that is profiling, Is that preferable. Catskinner is true in his logic.

        • LotusJoan

          If catskinner has even been in the same room with logic, I
          would be amazed. By your “supposed” logic we should just do away with statistical analysis. Your quote though impressive is misapplied. I am not discounting that all universals are comprised of particulars. Just that A particular necessarly leads you to the universal. You like quotes then “ you have missed the forest for the trees.” Thank you for your perspective. I am not annoyed by dissent, just willful ignorance.

          I thnik there are times when only the adults should be
          talking.

          • InsideEye

            The trees are the representatives of the forest. Statistically one can therefore assume that what we see in the front is what we are to see in the middle. Except for kurtosis on the fringes….and we have plenty of kurtosis on this forum…but that makes experiences , views points all interesting. none of our views are inherently wrong, it comes from the whole of our experiences.

          • Sand_Cat

            Does the forest get to vote for its “representatives,” or are you and your friends afraid of them, too?

          • InsideEye

            Yes, forests – trees , drop nuts ( eggs) not far from the tree as they say, there fore propagate as representatives…success breeds success…parthenogenesis sort of. Do not eat the nuts or no more trees, even squirrels know when to stop hoarding so they do not destroy last living producer of nuts. Some lesson here for government. I have no friends and fear nothing, think for myself and hope I do not need friends to rely on…except Obama care.

            Do you eat nuts , Sand Cat. it makes remaining trees strong and tall when left alone to survive. Works for me. 🙂
            Have a nice week.

          • Sand_Cat

            Thanks. I give you points for patience. The lesson about hoarding is a good one for people, too.

          • InsideEye

            Thanks, I am patient. hope to hear from you again, be gentle . I am a normal guy. So I say. 🙂

        • Justin Napolitano

          Obozo, it is you. I suspected as much but was waiting for you to post a quote you copied from the internet.

          • InsideEye

            You are funny, and so wrong. What quote are you referring. This is worth a sizable bet.

        • Sand_Cat

          Wow, so now you’re a Greek philosopher, too. Shouldn’t we all be impressed? All the pretty words in the world can’t hide what you’re up to.

          • InsideEye

            I was responding to LotusJoan. A philosopher I am not, but did take roman Greek Lit as we all did in Humanities in college. Tid bits Come in handy for TV quiz shows perhaps. But it was amazing to find how similar thoughts were back then as they are today.

      • Catskinner

        The world might make more sense to you, LotusJoan, if you’d simply broaden your horizons.

        • LotusJoan

          That is rich. Thank you for the laugh.

        • Sand_Cat

          She’d also have to flatten her IQ, as you’ve obviously done.

    • Justin Napolitano

      That is BS and you know it. Statistics show almost zero fraud and you also know that to be true. Have some balls and admit the the whole purpose of these laws is to stop Democrats from voting.

      • Catskinner

        Statistics don’t show that JN. Left wing rags like the New York Times and the Washington Post show that. But what do you do about the Dornan-Sanchez race, or the Coleman-Franken race? And how about the registrar of voters in Wisconsin?

        • Sand_Cat

          Once again you show how far out of touch with reality you really are. “Left-wing rags”? Sure. What about those races? Did Fox News tell you that only fraud can beat certifiable lunatics such as Dornan? And of course, I’m sure you can prove the Franken thing, too? Both you and Inside Eye go strangely quiet when you’re asked to actually provide facts.

          • Catskinner

            I have no reason to defend any particular candidate. My purpose is simply to point out that voter fraud happens and that Voter ID is something that really needs to happen.

          • Sand_Cat

            Right. Never once have you presented the slightest evidence that voter fraud occurs in any number worth all the draconian laws. You just keep talking about people’s voting 8 or 9 times. Reagan got a lot of mileage out of the welfare queen he made up, too.

            ID itself, while difficult for those you and friends would prefer to prevent from voting – i.e., poor, disabled, and other citizens who have no ID suitable – seems reasonable enough, but the cutbacks on voting hours and the rest that go with it put the lie to your claim that voter fraud is the real concern here.

            I have said before you seemed like an intelligent person, and you assure me you’re well-informed, so I guess you must just be a liar and a hypocrite who believes in voting and majority rule only when the majority favors your candidates, and one arrogant enough to think you can carry the day with your old 8 or 9 votes per person lie. If it weren’t a lie, I presume you could at least give some confirming info, even if you can’t cite page numbers or the like.

            I can’t recall ever asking you to defend any particular candidate, so I have to wonder why you felt your disclaimer was some kind of a reply.

          • Catskinner

            Because when I point out the two glaring examples of voter fraud that are out there–the Snachez-Dornan race and the Coleman-Franken race–people on this blog always assume I support Dornan and/or Coleman. I don’t. I’m simply pointing that out as an example.

          • InsideEye

            Voter fraud
            Hamilton County vs M Richardson , Cincinnati , Ohio. Not too prevalent perhaps, …who knows but they found additional cases and being investigated. I am sure it will be quashed to save face. it is on YOUTUBE and elsewhere .

            Another for the record, can not make believers out of some.

          • Catskinner

            They believe what they want to believe.

          • InsideEye

            My proof for JN is in the mail.

          • Sand_Cat

            And so is the check, right?

    • Sand_Cat

      Either you’re very naive or very dishonest or very stupid.

      • Catskinner

        Actually, I’m very informed.

        • Sand_Cat

          Then you obviously have no excuse but bigotry for your efforts to keep people from voting 9 or 10 times; after all, the degenerate wretches should be content with 7 or 8 votes apiece.

    • Joseph Squerciati

      Please list the number of cases of voter fraud by voting as someone else .What about the fraud that can be committed by those having residences in multiple states .Mitt Romney voted in Massachusetts by claiming he was living in his sons basement but the state chose to IGNORE that .For all we know he could have voted both in New Hampshire AND Massachusetts and perhaps even in California . Remember Bush tried to oust U S Attorneys because they failed to find a pattern of Voter fraud .One case found in last election involved a Republican trying to double vote .When caught he claimed he was just testing the system
      The recent changes in voting laws in North Carolina reduced early voting by a week and discontinued the pre-registration of High School Seniors

    • Lisztman

      Voter ID has nothing to do with stopping voter fraud. It has everything to do with suppression. One may ask for documentation at REGISTRATION. Or challenge at registration. After that, a signature should suffice. Asking for fancy ID automatically suppresses the vote of the poorer classes who are less likely to have such ID — especially when the ID requirements are suddenly put into place months, or weeks, before an election.

      • Catskinner

        Voter ID has everything to do with stopping voter fraud. Review the case of the billboards in Ohio and Wisconsin in 2012. I would agree they shouldn’t be sprung weeks before the election, but months shouldn’t bother anybody.

        • Lisztman

          What does the billboard flap have to do with Voter ID?

          • Catskinner

            They’re both efforts to combat voter fraud.

          • Lisztman

            We’ll try again. WHAT “voter fraud”? The 0.0009%?

          • Catskinner

            I get really tired of this, but I’ll try it again. Look up the Dornan-Sanchez race and the Coleman-Franken race and then multiply that by all of the races that weren’t even looked into.

          • Sand_Cat

            We get really tired of you, too, Nazi-boy.

            And the worst thing is, these laws are unlikely to prevent the Jews you’re so worried about from voting. But we all know they don’t need to vote to control us, right, since they control all of the news media, film studios, banks, and in fact probably more institutions than there are Jews in the US. Obviously they use devil worship, fueled by the sacrifice of Christian children to do it.

  • Dominick Vila

    Of all the bad policies and decisions championed by “conservatives”, this has got to be the worst of all. Voter fraud, since the hanging chads sham, has been minimal. The real reason for this decision is to make it as difficult as possible for certain segments of our society to cast a vote. Conservatives have concluded that they are not going to make inroads with African Americans and Hispanics, and are determined to do whatever it takes to make it as difficult as possible for them to vote.
    The problem with that strategy is that it is energizing people who seldom bother to vote.

    • Vincent

      That certain segment = The lazy cheating degenerates that don’t spend 5 minutes learning what they are voting for or why. Whatever makes them feel good at the time or Names easiest to pronounce but never on the facts.

      • Dominick Vila

        Looks like we are making progress, we have gone from 47% of lazy degenerates that depend on government handouts and don’t know what they are doing down to 5%. Somebody must be doing something right. Either that, or the elite discovered they need the degenerates to survive and maintain their lavish lifestyle.

  • roguerunners

    Dear Mr. Holder,
    Please take a look at Oregon and follow suit for all of America. Problem solved.

  • tax payer

    Blacks get offended, when they hear the N-Word and I get offended, when there is a sign in three different languages

  • tax payer

    If there is no public transportation ( you walk ), if you really want to get an ID or Register to vote.

    • roguerunners

      Or you do like the smart people in Oregon and receive your ballot in the mail, fill it out and drop it off in one of the many drop boxes or simply mail it. It is really not “Rocket Science”!

      • tax payer

        I can also get it by mail. I prefer to vote weeks before the actual elections ( to get away from some of the slow thinking people ) that don’t know who to vote for even when they are there voting and making others wait for them to finish voting.

        • roguerunners

          That is why ALL AMERICANS should. And I have found that just because someone my be “slow thinking”, as you put it, they have just as much to offer as you or I.

          • tax payer

            I choose the candidates at home weeks in advance and it takes me under two to three minutes to vote. I already know the candidates I have chosen, so if everyone did it that way that place would empty out real fast. I know some still don’t know who to vote for, so the rest of the voters have to relax and wait since they didn’t votes weeks before.

          • roguerunners

            Hello! All of Oregon gets their ballots in the mail. It’s time for the rest of America to evolve. Problem solved.

          • tax payer

            So, do you mail it back and don’t have to go in person? What, if someone steals it and votes instead of you? Just curious of how it works.

          • roguerunners

            Look it up. Maybe try http://www.oregonvotes.org or Oregon voter Bill Of Rights.

          • tax payer

            I checked already. Thanks.

          • roguerunners

            That’s how we roll. 😉

          • Vincent

            No they don’t. If they don’t take the time to read, learn, understand what they are voting for they should be disqualified because they are easily manipulated, deceived, mislead by corrupt politicians trying to run game on American tax payers.

          • roguerunners

            Poor Vincent…
            NEXT!

        • Sand_Cat

          Most of these laws also restrict and severely cut back on hours for early voting. Many people probably don’t want to be subjected to your presence, either.

  • Justin Napolitano

    Same old Republican attempt to stop Democrats from voting.

  • beleck3

    well, as long as Democratic voters don’t vote, Republicans will be happy. with gerrmandered districts, i don’t think voing matters a lot anyway. the whole aim of REpublicans is for only white men to vote. and they seem to be doing a good job of making sure only White Republican men will vote, what with the Supreme Court and gerrymandered district. even in North Carolina where over 51 % of the vote was Democratic, the Republicans won. how’s that for working the vote. lol.

    got to give the Republicans credit for being as “underhanded and straight forward. When it comes to voting, no one or nothing stands in their “way” of getting their votes to matter. the rest of us, who are not Republicans, well, too bad for them. lol.