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Saturday, February 17, 2018

Mitt Romney was far from being the only Republican thinker “shellshocked” by his defeat. So was the author of this elegant communication I’d received after a column predicting that the 2012 election would mark the end of Richard Nixon’s “Southern strategy.”

“You are such a liar. You are not a journalist or a columnist, but rather a whore for the Democratic Party… November will solve the problem when we kick your Satanic ilk out of our government. May you get a form of incurable cancer and die a long and painful death.”

Needless to say, my pious interlocutor mentioned no particulars. People like him never do. However, my intuitions proved correct: As far as the electoral college is concerned, the GOP has turned into a strictly Confederate/Cow State party.

In the short term, stunned disbelief and futile posturing are apt to prevail. Why change what’s never worked since 1865?

But the rest of us shouldn’t feel too smug. The nation has experienced a brush with disaster. Who’d have guessed that The $250 Million Man was as vulnerable to having smoke blown up his wazoo as George W. Bush?

There’s no telling what mad crusades Romney’s neoconservative advisors might have talked him into launching.

One expects a degree of competence in a tycoon; a money guy is supposed to be a numbers guy. That Mitt Romney was as deluded about his chances as Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, Peggy Noonan, Charles Krauthammer and the rest of the GOP Marching and Chowder Society comes as a shock.

Even The Washington Post’s persnickety George Will forecast a Romney landslide. The scholarly pundit opined that even Minnesota would back Mitt. Will reasoned that a marriage amendment would bring out hordes of Michelle Bachmann supporters.

Final tally: Obama 53 percent, Romney 45 percent — Minnesota’s 10th consecutive Democratic presidential vote. Not even close.

Adepts of the Fox News infotainment cult ought to be asking themselves tough questions. “On the biggest political story of the year,” writes The Atlantic’s Conor Friedersdorf, “the conservative media just got its [posterior] handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while The New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.”

His name is Nate Silver, a number-crunching whiz-kid who came to politics after helping to revolutionize baseball stats. His FiveThirtyEight blog aggregates and analyzes data from as many state and national polls as he can find—operating on the principle that the larger the sample, the smaller the margin of error.

In 2008, Silver called 49 of 50 states correctly.

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301 Responses to Fox Followers Fail Again

  1. FOX News, most conservative pundits, and most pollsters had this election so wrong they should consider finding a different profession. The only pollster that came close to calling it right was Nate Silver. If their prognostications were not bad enough, they are now trying to convince us that an electoral college vote margin of 332 to 206 does not constitute a mandate and that it actually represents a victory for the GOP because they managed to keep control of the House. Getting overwhelming support from the Confederacy and the Bible Belt may be comforting for some, it spells disaster for anyone capable of using his gray mass.
    They lost, they lost badly, and at this point the best they could do is reflect on what happened and make an effort to go back to the core values the Republican Party once embraced, instead of the radicalism, intolerance, lack of compassion, fiscal irresponsibility, and hatred that characterize their behavior and political platform today.

    • I don’t know – many of them [conservative pundits] have gotten very very rich doing what they do. And they’ve been doing it a long time. I didn’t “discover” conservative radio/news until the late ’80s but my observation over the last 30 years has been very consistent: tell a lie enough times and it becomes true in the minds of your audience – especially if it is dressed up to look and sound credible. Even the more well informed may question their perception of what’s true unless they have the discipline to do their own research.

      Romney would have done better if he had acknowledged the truth about the economic crisis and used his powers of intellect and persuasion to develop a strategy based on facts. Instead he chose to treat the American people like imbeciles – and fortunately enough of us aren’t.

      • He would have also improved his chances if he had rejected the expressions of bigotry that were evident during the RNC in Tampa. Instead he chose to ignore them and, by so doing, he gave the impression that he was condoning them. A nationl party can not win when they exclude major segments of the population. They managed to alienate women, African Americans, Hispanics/Latinos, gays, the young and intellectuals. They relied on middle age and elderly white males and, not surprisingly, they lost by a wide margin.
        I expect a major battle to take place within the GOP in weeks to come, and I would not be surprised if the Tea Party faction loses that battle.

        • …and I think we all know that had their guys won (perish the thought) they would be screaming from every hilltop in America that they won by a mandate….too funny….their disingenuous BS is mind-boggling! – Someone should tell them to take their ball and go home…Game over!

          • The conservatives are questioning President’s “mandate”—- Obama won 334 electoral votes. Let me remind them how many electoral votes Bush 44 had. —–271 (2000) and 286 in 2004—–270 to win. Even Nixon had received 301 votes in 1968—-far less than President Obama.

          • No James, she is happy that we have a president not looking for more war and breaks for the ultrarich! Romney wanted his PNAC war hawks running foreign policy and all the repugs have fought any regulation of Wall Street.

            Look how the two Repub congresses under Dubya threw out all the post Great Depression laws on Energy and banking … to give us our continuing depression.

            You argue for the loss of welfare during a depression, how truly compassionate a Christian you must be ( I’m being facetious).

        • I suspect the GOP will lurch further to the right as that appears to be where the money is. ALEC will continue to try to do at the state level what the party has not been able to do at the national level and because of the $$$ I fear the right will continue to make inroads that will in turn be presented as “….see, we told you this is what the people wanted”.

          • Here is where I wish the Obama grassroots crew and ground game could remain in place to be activated in state and local elections. We could do a lot better than we did in the four years before the 2012 election in combatting the deleterious effects of ALEC and local efforts to suppress voting rights. This community service would provide local jobs throughout the country. The data on which canvassing and calling are based could be updated and enriched. These “troops” might be deployed now and then to organize demonstrations on behalf of Democratic initiatives, for example, to show support nationwide for a Grand Bargain to keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. Everyone agrees, the Republican party needs rejuvenation. Let’s learn from their mistakes, and keep our community organizers–of all ages and persuasions–involved.

          • Sigrid28, sounds like what you are suggesting is modeled after Adolf Hitlers private army the S A aka the Brown Shirts also were community organizers. They did what you are wishing for by making it possible for the NAZI party to take power by controlling the voters through intimidation and fear.Beware of what you wish for.Wake up and check out reality.

          • What I said has nothing to do with Brown Shirts or intimidating voters Nazi style, and everything to do with your twisted point of view and dated perspective. Why are you so preoccupied with self pity and fear of outsiders, James? Try getting to know some of the minority individuals with whom you think you have nothing in common.

          • I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but there is a faction that is trying to take over the government. It is multi-national corporations. They are using the dingbats in the tea party to accomplish their ends. When they no longer have any use for them, they will be discarded.

          • Hey idamag,where have you been.Your buddy and his cronies dummyc/rats have already taken over the government GM, Crysler, A123,Solindra and many more.Obamas boss GEORGE SOROS is in charge.

          • Couldn’t agree with you more, where is that guy, what his name again? oh I got it Michael Steele, remember him

          • Boy! I sure hope not, I would think that now would be a good time to stand back and look what happened and start moving toward the middle.

          • And yet they can’t because so far, they haven’t even been able to accept that they lost so they are still operating under the assumption that THEY are the MAJORITY and that THEY know what is best. Very Sad and SO bad for our country.

        • Bush won by a very few votes in Florida, that translated to squeaking by in electoral count, even while losing the popular vote. He then acted as if he got a mandate of over 400 electoral votes

          • James, The military should consider fact instead of reactng to perceptions. President Obama’s commitment to the military has been solid, particularly his efforts to support veterans. An example of reality on this issue was the Veterans Jobs Act submitted to Congress by the administration. The GOP filibustered the Bill and it went nowhere. Political rhetoric is cheap, what is not so easy is demonstrating commitment through measurable deeds.
            Idamag, don’t forget the pregnant chads…

        • Make that years, Dominick. Political parties are a bit like supertankers, they don’t change course easy. Remember that people have built up positions of power within the GOP and they’re not going to relinquish them without a fight.

          The GOP’s situation today resembles that of the British Labour Party in 1979 in many aspects. It took Labour 18 years and a bloodbath in the old guard of the party cadre to get back into office.

          Even the first signs today are the same as Labour did back then: double down on ideology and intransigence.

      • JohnRNC

        I have always said if they repeat a story for 3 days on conservative radio, it becomes Gospel whether there is any truth to it or not. And even after it is shown to be incorrect, they never admit it, they just press on and let it pass. One of these days the Liberal Media will catch on and start using it more wisely than they have in the past. They generally jump on these things too fast. They should let it sink in before pulling the plug. You won’t change the minds of diehard conservatives, but independents don’t like being lied to or told something that won’t hold water.


        • • James: I just want to make clear that the debt that exists is mostly Bush era spending. $1.3T PER YEAR is added to the national debt from Bush era policies that were put into place before Obama stepped into office(Tax cuts to the wealthy, 2 wars, prescription drug bill, ect.). That added around $5T debt during the last 4 years without Obama spending an extra dime. Add that to the the already existing debt that he inherited of $10T. The same would have existed if McCain was in office. It was already set in place. Obama’s policies added around $1T in 4 years. He walked into a mess….the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and the debt increased at one of the slowest rates ever.

          • I believe the CBO puts his spending increase at 1.4% the lowest in history…during a recovery while adding stimulus and finishing two wars. It’s almost to good to believe but it’s true…1.4% during a recovery.

            The bubble thinks he’s a a spend crazed crackhead….amazing.

        • what part of compound interest do you not understand???….shut up you lost…we want to go FORWARD…maybe you’ve heard

          • Now now guys you have to see with James, he’s not able to do the math just like his neo-cons buddies. That’s why they lost, eheheheh

      • John, you are absolutely right. He thought that we would believe anything they said. He would not admit to any lie he told which was many. This was not t good thing for the GOP at all. Rom-ney and the right winged republicans really thought they could pull this off with lies and no policy. Americans are not imbeciles; maybe they will look at the entire picture and not the 51% of americans that only Rom-ney cared about.

        From the beginning of this election I near Rom-ney did not have a chance in this race, because of how he saw americans and the fact that he was only in touch with 51% of americans and did not give a dam aboout the middle class and poor. I don’t really know what his strategy was to win the race. He really never said anything that would remotely get americans to vote for him. Most americans just want jobs and for the economy to get back on track.

      • Some but not MOST of us are imbeciles / ill informed / gullible When you think for 4 yrs Fox Hannity Malkin, Coulture , spin zone guy Oreilly KOchs Rove … Rush & 800 Rush wannbees on con talk radio spread lies, 1/2 truths and smears across the USA each day. Its a huge miracle that voters saw through it all and voted out GOP ” Womens bodies can shut down during rape Akins/ Pregnancy from rape must be ” Gods wish Mourdoch – Joe Walsh even Mass Sen Brown And Obama Warren other Dems won ! Tuesday night I did a happy dance . 2013 will see more jobs – more fairness- Housing starts and manufacturing are up already
        US exports are up Bush admin gave up . .Obama did NOT
        Bin laden – top Al qauda are dead That made US much safer
        Lets build of those success’
        I do NOT expect any miracles Just hard work from team Obama

      • Rush Limbaugh, November, 1992: “I’m sooooooo glad Clinton won…..”

        Rush’s objectives were a bit different from his dittoheads.

          • Even for Rush, that’s a stupid statement. And how’d that strategery work out? Maybe if we had some kind of election….

      • Yeah… Romney lost a lot more than an election. He lost what little credibility he had. People will remember Romney the Liar! And you’ve got to figure he really is kind of stupid. He actually believed he could fool a majority of the American people, that his lies would not be called into question. And look how much money was squandered… flushed right down the toilet. The irony is that the thing Romney holds most sacred… “money,” didn’t make a damn bit of difference! He lost by a LandSlide… 332 to 206!

    • As far as a ‘mandate’ goes, the electoral vote is more of a formality than an indicator; the true barometer is the popular vote (which is the actual voice of the people), and having said that, I just don’t see any way you can claim that a spread of roughly 50% to 49% would constitute a mandate for any victor. More like a squeaker, honestly. A score of 50-49 is by no means an overwhelming defeat in any sport, including politics. Especially when this is the first two-term president who won with a lesser spread of popular vote than in his first term. This country is virtually evenly split, and I think it is incorrect (i.e., a fantasy or delusion) to even pretend that Obama has any sense of a mandate on anything. This administration and Congress better become accustomed to something revolutionary – compromise. “My way or the highway” just isn’t going to cut it on either side.

      • Dear Mr. Delusional:

        Obama won by more than 3 million votes, and the electoral college vote IS important (please read the premise that it is based on before flapping your gums). Moreover, your hero George W won by far less and declared a mandate (he actually called it political capital that he intended to spend); thus, your party has defined what constitutes a mandate in politics. You can’t change the rules just because you got your fanny handed to you.

        • 3 million…out of how many? And why do you assume GW (or anyone) is my hero? And don’t resort to name calling – it shows your maturity. Mathematically, it was not a ‘landslide’ election, and I’m sorry, but the electoral IS a formality set up by the constitution, a ‘winner take all’ rather than a simple majority on a state-by-state basis…the popular vote tells us a more accurate reading of the people’s feelings. No one is trying to change rules or anything, just stating facts from spin. PS – use your sarcasm where it matters.

          • We have two ways to figure the election. One is popular vote and one is electoral college. You may spin all you want but both add up to a loss for you. Losses translates into mandates. Your argument holds no water. To me it sounds like Boehner saying no to a tax increase on high earners (and I use this term lightly and mean no disrespect to wage earners working for a living) when all the rest of us (US) has to do is wait until 1 Jan. 2013 and there it is magically appearing as if voted on, which by the way it was by that over 3 million you disregard. I know you favor being able to ask the electorate to have a super majority like you require in the Senate so any item you dislike has a far harder time to become law that it should. Majority simply means any amount over 50%. It is at this point that you have lost. Period. End of story. You get no re-negotiations to excuse away or water down the margin of victory. Football teams do not change the meaning of the score after the game on Sunday nor do baseball teams. Instead they go on and try to learn from their loss and try to get better. Time for you to try this tactic.

          • I like what you wrote. I think it is also important to see which fraction of voters voted for the President and Romney.

          • Salop, I see that you’re still drinking the Kool-aid from the Faux News liecast. When Bush won reelection in 2004 with 289 electoral votes, all of the Republican establishment was quick to label it a mandate. Bush, in his first news conference, arrogantly boasted that he had a mandate. President Obama had 332 electoral votes in this election. Now you right-wing trolls want to change the rules and are quick to falsely shout out that he has no mandate. What HYPOCRITESS you all are!!! Anyway, we are not going to allow you angry, nutty, delusional, racist right-wings trolls to define whether or not our president has a mandate. HE DEFINITELY HAS A MANDATE!!! Just the fact that he was reelected, that alone gives him a mandate. So shut up your claptrap and go hide back under the rock from whence you came. I thought you trolls were suppose to be on a boat leaving the country after your terrible candidate Mutt Romney lost.

      • The only people who voted for Bishop Mitt were the 44 and up white, primarily southern, males and their spouses along with the less educated white middle class who unfortunately, have been conned into believing that their situation was created by that great mass of freeloader,s who don’t want to work. When Rush was declaring that Bishop Mitt would slaughter the President by amassing 320-330 electoral votes, which he claimed would be a clear mandate, where was your protest? Step out of your dream and look at the percentages of each voting block that cast their ballot for the President. We don’t expect you to be impartial in your approach, you are incapable. However, we would appreciate it if you would go off and lick your wounds elsewhere and let us get on with the business of pulling our country back together. Peace

        • puzzled21 not all older citizens voted for mitt. although my state is as red as I am a yellow dog, in reality my state has only been red since the democrats for regan. and in 2012 not quite 2 to 1 also most of the registered voters are democrates , just confused .

        • the only people that vote for republiCONs are residents of states who collect most of the welfare handed out. willard the rat had more support from the 47% than Obama. Funny how that works.

          • The irony is, is that they don’t realize that they are the very people Bishop Mitt is referring to, the freeloaders. The worlds oldest con.

        • Puzzle, our local paper, this morning, has a letter to the editor, describing who voted for Obama. I did not know I was a freeloader. I have never been on welfare – corporate or otherwise.

          • As the majority of us haven’t, as those on the right have brainwashed into believing.. He was actually describing his voters, the freeloaders are those red state voters primarily.

        • It’s not all the southern folks who voted for the prez. I live in Alaska and it’s a red state. Most the people I’m around voted that way-including my husband. I just don’t talk about it much as it causes too much conflict-I try to defend the prez but hardly anyone listens.
          Whatever happens with the budget/economic issues it’s going to be a bit painful for most of us. President Obama is, in my opinion, a class act who’s going to try the best he can to get a handle on the situation. It’s got to be the hardest job around-can’t understand why anyone would want it. I AM a Christian and he’s on the list in my prayer journal. He’s prayed for daily.

          • LisaS your comments were very thoughtful,sincere,and caring.”Pray for Kings,and all those in authority that we may live a godly and peaceful life in all godliness,and honestly.1 Timothy 2:2

      • A loser is a loser no matter how you try to put it. If you win the Indy 500 by 1/100,000 of a second or by 10 laps the second place finisher still loses.

        The fact remains that more people do not like republiCON policies than like them so those that like republiCON policies are what are known as “losers”.

        Suck it up and take it like a man. my way or the highway is how the world operates. i suggest that you can always buy a one way ticket from one of the deregulated airlines.

        • LOL! That was a good one. Please fly with our airlines. Our planes may not be much to look at and please excuse the missing parts and terrible service but we promise to get you to your destination safely(wink,wink).

      • Salop88

        A loss is a loss is a loss……..3 mil is 3 mil, is 3 mil…….but they did get the low information voters and the old angry white guys (and, btw, they are dying off )

      • Well, that is so FUNNY!!! POPULAR vote wasn’t important in 2000!!! I guess we are changing reality again since it suddenly suits the Republicans to use POPULAR vote in THIS election. LMAO

    • They Kept control of the House and won so many State Congressional seats because of redistricting and election fraud tactics… we need to focus on investigating the extent of the fraud rather than be distracted by a victory. This ain’t over by a longshot… but its sweet to see the GOP get a punch so hard it knocked the wind outta their blowhard mouthpieces!

    • I’m not a right-winger (I voted green) but I honestly thought Romney was going to pull it off as well–very close in the end. Here’s what should be a concern to democrats–only one county out of over 40 west of the Susquehanna River in eastern Pennsylvania voted democratic. What sustained the democrats in the end were suburban women who voted their social interests more than their economic interests. If Republicans go along with comprehensive immigration reform and frontload a bunch of winner-take-all moderates states in the 2016 primaries and and produce a social moderate candidate, then the suburbs of Philly, Denver, Milwaukee, etc. could turn into a disaster for the dems.

      • The Republicans are too stupid to promote socially moderate candidates. The crazies in their base consistently vote moderates out of office and replace them with nuts like Akin, Murdoch and Allen West. The base thinks Rmoney lost because he was not conservative enough.

      • One problem I see in your premise is you somehow believe that the Latinos are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the Republican Party to be nice to them. The Republican Party may pick up a few by this tactic but the majority are much smarter than you give them credit for. The counties you speak of did not give the state of Pennsylvania to Mitt did it? So somehow you equate number of counties in one state to election troubles in the future when in fact this analysis proves nothing.

        Thank you for your vote and have a nice day.

      • “…only one county out of over 40 west of the Susquehanna River in eastern Pennsylvania voted democratic. ”
        How does west of the Susquehanna get into Eastern PA?
        “…were suburban women who voted their social interests more than their economic interests.”
        I am a middle-aged suburban woman who studied the economic issues as well as the social issues. There is No Way I would have voted for Romney on any issue!

      • FHTEX, that ain’t never gonna happen as long as the Republican party is controlled by the crazies like the Tea Party, Faux News, Limbaugh, Hannity, Norquist, Adelson, Murdoch, Koch Brothers, etc. Wishful think on your part, sad to say. I don’t see the Republican party ever giving an inch on immigration. The only way that will happen is if the entire party, as it now exist, is completely torn down and rebuilt from scratch. That would mean getting rid of all the crazies, creating new ideologies and party platform, looking out for the middle class instead of the rich, working with the president and Democrats in Congress without being intransigent and obstructive, not serving corporate donors and special interests, and sincerely welcoming in all demographics of society. I already hear a lot of Republicans now saying that it wasn’t their ideologies, policies and politics that caused them to lose the election but it was simply that their message was not properly communicated. What a bunch of crap!!! The majority of Americans rejected their ideologies, policies and politics. So, what you’re engaging in is wishful thinking and not reality and that’s what Republicans are good at doing.

      • As a woman you need to realize that the ability to control my own healthcare IS the ability to control MY economic interests!
        What good is money if I have “old grizzly men in $2.00 haircuts” deciding on my healthcare?

      • So sorry but you sound very demeaning toward women voting their social issues. While I am sure it doesn’t seem very important to you, but as a woman, I find the “social” issue of RAPE extremely important. I always have and I always will and I will NEVER vote for ANYONE that proposes MANDATING what a woman can or can not do with her body. By the way, I strongly suspect if a lot of those women had NOT voted on THAT social issue, our President Obama may not have had such a landslide and may not have even won the election. So, thank GOD for women voting their “social” issue!

    • Replying to Dominick Vila


      Unfortunately, the GOP is still, in large part, locked into the insane mantra that they have espoused since Ronald Reagan was elected.

      The problem is that the American public really wants to believe that reducing taxes, and cutting expenditures will create a utopian state.

      Of course, you still hear the folks from the Tea Party who advocate this loudly, while at the same time the older ones state “Just Don’t Touch My Social Security Or My Medicare.”

      Have your cake and eat it too.

    • Dominick Vila,
      Amen Brother, you hit the nail on the head. The republican party has some real problems it needs to deal with. They no longer represent the american public.

    • I called it right Obama won by a great victory. the conservatives are they stupid they are going after Rice now. I thought Mc Cain was smart, they are addicted to revenge, how stupid are these people?

    • Nate Silver is actually not a pollster, but rather a statistician who agregates other people’s polls to create a more accurate forecast. As for the R’s moderating, while there do seem to be some saner voices reflecting and urging such, the base seems to be doubling down (see secessionists), which is fine by me.

    • Remember that they may have won a majority of seats in the House, but they lost the popular vote there too. In a PR system the Democrats would be holding the House.

  2. It is shocking that a self proclaimed “numbers guy” and business man like Romney was so deluded by conservative group think that he couldn’t distinguish between fact (MSM) and fiction (Unskewed polls). Other shocking facts was this “numbers guy” who managed budgets (so he claimed during the debates) ran out of money during the campaign and launched a failed system (ORCA) on election day. At the end of the day, the community organizer beat the pants off of the corporate titan and out managed the “manager”.

    • Romney was neither a manager or an enterprenuer, he and his cartel were opportunists, they looked for companies with assetts to convert to personal wealth, by borrowing against the assetts, then charging mismanagement fees that sucked all the cash (operating capital) out of the company into their pockets.
      The Bain Romney new model is to take very profitable companies they can find in the U S A and move them to China, getting a tax credit for same in the U S, financial incentives in China and chinese labor for $1.00 per hour with no benefits, no safety or environmental rules.

  3. The modern GOP is full of more nuts than a Snickers bar. When I have pointed out facts to these folks, they have responded by spewing out insults and lies. I have been called”an election stealing bammy butt kissing socialist un-American puke”. I find it more amusing than anything, because name-calling is what they resort to when there are no facts to back them up. They have also claimed that the President only won because Dems helped him steal it by having dead people, animals, current prisoners, and illegal aliens vote, and by voting twice. Talk about living in an alternate universe. I wonder what color the sky is in their world.

    • I hear you. Everytime I tried to have a conversation with a Republican on any subject related to politics, the economy and our fiscal imbalance it inevitably ends up with a rant repeating the talking points expressed by FOX, Limbaugh, Beck, Coulter and the rest of the gang, and it often ends with the usual name calling and insults.
      I could count the number of Republicans that have actually provided substantive details and valid counter arguments with the fingers in one hand. The norm is subjectivity, hyperbole, and arguments so illogical that are not worth debating. The latest frenzy seems to be the fiscal cliff, the imminent collapse of the real estate market, the impending devaluation of the dollar, and the probable default of the U.S. government. As improbable as all these points are, there are many who believe the messages of doom and gloom. I know people who are investing in gold and other precious metals to survive the economic Armagheddon they believe is around the corner.

      • and don’t you think that gloom and doom talk is all designed to drive up the gold prices to someone’s advantage? I have long suspected that Limbaugh (and his puppeteers, the Koch Brothers) have invested heavily in gold and are manipulating people and things in order to drive up the price. Wouldn’t be the first time

    • Winning is always the best revenge. I have been restraining myself to keep from gloating to my conservative siblings, friends, and foes, who were planning for a president Romney as part of God’s plan.

      • Lateblooming, Until this election, a candidate won and we settled down for the next four years. This year, the treasonous tea party is circulating petitions in 20 states to secede from the union. The tea party is not American.

    • Sorry, I beg to disagree with you. There is nothing funny with Fox News. They make me angry to see they are playing with peoples mind while making money. It is very disgusting the way they cheated each of their followers through out the campaign. A lot of people have now become depressed with election results as they relied on listening to them so much, and believed what they said. It is absurd!

      • That was the way I looked at Foxy News some time ago to the point where I decided to change my perception and started to watch them as a comedy channel. I began to find all of their comments absurd and funny. We should inform the public to start watching them as if they are a bunch of comedians and dreamers like James Thurber’s “Secret Life of Walter Mitty”. By the way, isnt it ironic that “Walter Mitty” rhymes with “Willard Mitt”?

      • I saw a grown man crying because Romney lost. He was convinced after watching Faux news he was going to win in a landslide. Faux promoted the idea that country was going to fall into the great abyss if Obama won. So far, so good!

      • If you were not satisfied with the service you received in a restaurant would you go back? If the rank and file on the right continue to be myopic in their pursuit of information, and refuse to include all aspects in their decision making process, than the brainwashing was fatal.

      • The only difference is SNL thinks they are funny and thye are trying to be funny. Fox news is not trying to be funny but we sure think they are.

  4. Fox people- workers and watchers are un-american losers and i hope they all get a serious disease
    after they turn down health care. Just pray losers- and take two aspirin in the morning.

  5. Agree of course, but democrats still need not to get too snug. Remember we had a democrat before Bush. The one truth is that moderates determine elections, not the base of either party. How many of us left the GOP in disgust, but still do not buy the whole democratic platform? I am shocked that nothing basicaly changed in the house or senate if the country has had it with the GOP. And Polosi, please, talk about arrogant and out of touch. As I told a liberal professor one time: every 4 years we fire and hire, so don’t get to excited.

    • ARepublicanNorthlandGrad…You seem like a sensible person, for someone who was recently part of the GOP…but now is not, I take it. I know someone from South Carolina who was pro-Bush & pro McCain…and was a full-on hater of Nancy Pelosi. I wish you could explain to me in specific, objective terms (ie. not irrational, visceral ‘feelings’…that MAY be programmed by years of Faux News propaganda)…and reasons…with good, understandable examples…of what GOP types dislike so much about Nancy Pelosi…Nebulous terms like ‘arrogant’ and ‘out of touch’ don’t quite bridge the divide of understanding. I want to understand. Oh, and one more thing. In my experience, liberal professor is fairly rendundant…at any decent, public, non-religious college or university. Not sure what Northland is. As the saying goes lately…”Reality has a liberal bias”.

  6. The Father of the repug party Abe Lincoln would disown the repug party of today – this party will go the way of the Whig party in 2 more voting cycles. They live in a world that can only be discribed as truly bizzare.

  7. We are now seeing and hearing those who are still in denial begin to double down in their efforts to convince themselves that the election did not reflect the will of the American people. It is sad but they must be happy since “ignorance is bliss!”

  8. Why are you even posting news and pictures of Humpty Dumpty?

    Rove, FAUXSNOOZE, et al. are finished, kaput, done to a turn. Ignore them. The electorate did.

  9. Dear Gene Lyons, thank you so much for this article. My twitter account was deluged with hateful responses, even worse than the ones you describe, in response to my daily op blog. It’s the responsibility of Fox News to report the news and not to create the news. Nevertheless, many right wing extremist Fox followers exhibited egregious online behavior, most of it intended to snuffle out free speech they considered inconsistent with their zealous beliefs. They, truly, made no sense, much of it was incoherent while consistently belittling. Fox news owes all of America an apology for stirring up muckraking journalism.

      • you Know what woudl be a great revenge is if all of the center/moderate right/moderate left/ left/ and far left, got together and chipped in 10-20 bucks and we just buy the network…I think we should pressure advertizers to pull out and wait til we drive the price down to rock bottom then pick up the network for a song and slowly squeeze the life out of the movement at the root.

        • No, it would first be wise to do a concerted put option action on Newscorp every Wednesday of the week.
          If four million moderates and progressives put up 50 bucks- and bought puts, the option would pay off, and Newscorp stock would drop. Now, if they ploughed the 50 back in every second week, Newscorp would continuously drop down into the “penny stock” range.

  10. The ‘alternate reality’ of the Fox broadcasters is all they have left. But this reality show ended with the good sense of the American populace putting their votes where their hearts were and no alternate reality can change that.

    Nate Silver did us a great service by sticking to his model and keeping us from getting depressed by all the alternate noise coming from the right.

    If the GOP is to serve the public interest, it is time for them to face the reality that the American people want government to act in these trying times, not just play politics.

  11. I do think that our country is pretty closely divided, and that those on the other side have been brainwashed by the Corporate Media for many many years; In fact, they continue to be fed very anti-progressive, spin and propaganda. Why wouldn’t they fear us? Despite the solid victory for Dems, the mechanisms of the Corporatoctacy are still very much in place, and we have a great deal of public relations work and education to do on our part, and to un-do from their’s. I realize that we have been viciously attacked in the corporate media for years, but to paraphrase Ole’ Abe: A nation divided against itself cannot stand. Let’s work to reinstate policy like the Fairness Doctrine. It is becoming clear to me that a vibrant democracy needs honesty and integrity in journalism.

  12. Let them become more angry and irrational, 2014 is just a whisper away. The worse they get the more they stand a chance of completely losing the moderates and independents. A conservative troll called us sore winners the other day because we still discuss current events. That is the most intelligent and responsible thing we can do. The best government is the one that governs a well informed public.

  13. comes as a shock? – how bout it reads as proof they were expecting fruits from their redistricting and election fraud tactics… but an amazing GOTV campaign thwarted their efforts just like in 2006… by his own “animal cornered” actions on live TV Rove showed how his “numbers” needed only to wait til the final moments… just as in 2000… and in a rare moment of reverse deja vu… his comments to wait til the last votes were counted before calling ohio… were the exact opposite of his undaunted confidence in the 2000 results in Florida… sounds more like the confidence of a man who’s rigged the election but this time didn’t get the answer he wanted. I believe the punnishment for election fraud is traitor status… he’d do well to take Brad Manning’s place in a dark hole somewhere… forever.

  14. WOW! The Writer really cleaned some Right Wing Clocks. If Progressives and Moderate Republicans can restore Enlightenment and Reason to Political Debates; the Evil Cultists on the Right in the GOP can be Trumped repeatedly. Money will NEVER triumph over Truth Enlightenment, and the Will of the Lord. Most all of these RW Radio, and TV, “Loonies,” are really not very smart! Just do the Research – – going Forward. Fakes and Deceivers All. Now, if the good, Mainstream Republicans can, “grow a pair,” they can take back the Party from some of the most Selfish and Evil Tyrants in Recent History. Boehner and McConnell: Listen up! The Small Group of Red Cultists, are about to throw you both under the Bus; as they did with Romney after the Election; and their Rich Contributors for wasting Millions of Dollars for using the wrong, Pied Piper, Consultants, and Ad Agencies. Be watchful: A huge Purge is coming from the Cultists on the Right. These are the People of the Anti-Christ, that won’t compromise; or give up the ghost. They deny the Truth; Scientific Evidence; and,Compassion for anyone outside the Cult – – even among the Republican Party. This is not the Party of the Founders; nor our Parents; and our Generation. They are the manifestation of of Selfishness, Greed, and Power. Each time they lose – – they move further to the Right. If not contained; expect Tyranny and a Rise of a Police State.

    • The National Association Of Police Officers (NAPO) endorsed Obama – first time in 90 odd years that they haven’t endorsed the Republican candidate….Romney is the guy who would have turned this country into a scene from Les Miserables…but the Fright-wingers will NEVER get it….

  15. It was apparent and quite evident that this race was not going to be as close as FOX NEWS and their so called experts were predicting they had their asses handed to them and they deserve it! The Republican Party is so out of touch with reality its sinful. And to lead honest hardworking Americans down this bumpy road with them should be illegal!

  16. Think how much money Karl Rove was able to put in his own pocket by telling his super pac friends that they would win. It’s the same for Ralph ( preacher ). If you repeat the “Lie enough times you will start to believe the “lie” yourself, But what’s so amazing is that they were able to convince Fox and friends about this lie

  17. They all exist inside the bubble where their comments echo around it and sounds like more than it is. It is so unbelieveable that in an age of mass media sources that Fox tries so hard to invent an alternative reality. Fox abandoned any shred of impartiality years ago when Roger Alies took over the news division. He was a GOP stalwart and decided to use the news as an integral part of the election strategy of the Republican party. After the house went democratic in 06, Fox went into high gear. He spawned the likes of Glen Beck, who was a failed comic , and had the famous poison Pelosi show, which goes on record as a new low. Alies attracted right wing media stars like Palin, and Huckabee to have spin off shows from the news. All in a effort to get republicans elected. The show targeted whites and was geared to make them feel threatened by a changing America. Obama’s election and the health care reform act gave Fox new energy, and with the advent of the tea party, Fox took the lead in organizing a march on DC against the ACA. Fox was the focal point of the Republican take over of the house in 2010, and thought they could use that to leverage the white vote against Obama to victory. They did that by becomming the epi center of disinformation about health care and the debt. They were so deep into the election that Paul Ryan even called Hannity on election night to get him to get the vote out. They were seen as part of the election machine so much so that 2 paid Romney staffers were put on as Fox election analysists. Being so wrapped up in it, Fox lost it’s perspective on election night, and started to put out bogus numbers. Karl Rove even went on and predicted a Romney landslide. Since Fox has strected the truth for years this one wasn’t even that bad, more wishful thinking. Now the entire news network is seen as a Republican party show, and not watched by more and more people. It is not a trusted name in news and usually only older whites watch it. I think given their partisan record all Democrats, independents, thinking women, Afro Americans, the young, Gays and latinos should boycott Fox news and all the products that support them. Obama should not grant any interviews to them, and the congressional democrats should follow that lead. Don’t even give them a chance to say they are impartial. We all know that it’s not true anyway

    • Seriously let’s get organized and start this boycott…we need to hit them right in the money maker…let’s call the companies that advertise on fox and pressure them to pull out.

      • Do better than just a boycott. If 4 million Democrats decided to put 50$ U.S.D. a week, every Wednesday, on put options on NewsCorp, its stocks would go down, and they would win back the fifty and then some. Then, they could buy put put options every second week. Don´t just boycott the advertisers on Faux… put options on Newscorps would make Murdoch very nervous.

    • I have seen what Faux News does when the loyal opposition is invited to discuss an issue. They never let the guest have a chance to speak, they interrupt and shout over the speaker. It is the rudest excuse for political discourse I have ever seen.

  18. Religion as practiced in the macro sense is to have all things stay as they are for eternity. This can be transliterated down to election results, how to treat women and a multitude of alternate universes practiced by both wealthy and poor Republicans. However mother nature, a lot of the secular world, and real science are cognizant of reality, and try to improve our habitat

  19. What gets me is that the zombies still don’t get American democracy and that is can’t be bought with phony Supreme Court Citizens United money. They live in a bubble and rely on Dixie Land. Their message of anti Latinos, women rights, tax breaks for the rich and the government serves capitalism not the people is defeated thank God!

  20. Listeners to Fox ought to wonder if the owners of it have an agenda well beyond what is shown. I mean with owners like Rupert Murdoch and Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal it has become far more hostile and divisive. Murdoch is a known scoundrel, anything to line his pockets. As for the prince, the American people really ought to wonder exactly how much this Saudi has influenced American politics.

    Even though there were always disagreements between Republicans and Democrats there wasn’t the savage hostility that has been building over the last 10-15 years, especially in the last few. Think about it people. The people they’ve hired are the far fringes that encourage hate all while pretending to be so ‘Christian’. Funny, Christ was all about honesty, compassion and kindness to the less fortunate, not anything the ‘Christian’ right is about at all.

  21. More on the election fraud…. hat tip Selwyn Duke, American Thinker. Go to that site for the multiple links to facts contained in this article. Of particular interest are the links to the DemonRATS bragging about voting multiple times. They are disabled on Disqus.
    Was the 2012 Election Stolen?
    By Selwyn Duke

    As the 2012 election approached, conservative enthusiasm grew. Mitt Romney was drawing huge crowds while Barack Obama spoke in half-filled stadiums. All the passion lay on the right while the left was discouraged with a promised messiah who proved merely a politician. And the prediction was that, in contrast to 2008, Republican turnout would dwarf the tuned-out and carry the day. Hence the shock November 6 eve. How could Romney lose, especially by such a wide electoral margin?

    Maybe he didn’t

    At least not legitimately.

    When I predicted Obama’s re-election, I stated that, despite our country’s inexorable leftist slide, Romney would still win on Election Day were it not for vote fraud. I explained that the Democrats could steal more than enough votes in crucial swing states to turn the election. And I still believe what I did then: electoral criminality put Obama over the top.

    At the time, we heard stories about electronic-machine “glitches” switching Romney votes to Obama ones. And Patrick Moran, son of Congressman Jim Moran (D-VA), was caught on tape facilitating vote fraud while Bridgeport, CT mayor Bill Finch essentially promised to commit same for a political partner in crime.

    Since then, the indications of electoral criminality have been overwhelming. First there are the anecdotes, such as the court-appointed Republican poll watchers illegally expelled from 13 Philadelphia polling places in wards that, in most cases, went 99 percent for Obama; the poll observers who noted what they considered vote fraud but were powerless to stop; and the Democrats who actually bragged about voting more than once.

    Then there are the statistics, such as this staggering fact: in 59 Philadelphia districts, Romney failed to get even one vote. Final Obama-Romney tally: 19,605 to 0.

    Huh? Not even one person voted GOP accidentally? I mean, there even was a Washington, D.C. councilman who inadvertently voted to approve faux marriage, saying that he didn’t know what he was voting for (that would be Marion Barry).

    Next, consider this report from The Columbus Dispatch:

    More than one out of every five registered Ohio voters is probably ineligible to vote.

    In two counties, the number of registered voters actually exceeds the voting-age population: Northwestern Ohio’s Wood County shows 109 registered voters for every 100 eligible, while in Lawrence County along the Ohio River it’s a mere 104 registered per 100 eligible.

    Another 31 counties show registrations at more than 90 percent of those eligible, a rate regarded as unrealistic by most voting experts. The national average is a little more than 70 percent.

    […]Of the Buckeye State’s 7.8 million registered voters, nearly 1.6 million are regarded as “inactive.”

    Understand the significance. Years ago I was contacted by a Washington, D.C. community leader (who’ll remain anonymous) who told me that he had “done some computer work for several candidates over the years in DC” and had conducted his own study of urban vote fraud. He said that inner cities’ great transiency ensures that any given large metropolis will have a great number of voters who no longer live in their precinct of registration. These areas also have Democrat operatives known by the get-out-the-vote term “block captains” or “apartment captains,” people who know the lay of the land and thus what registered voters have left town. So all they need do then is vote for these people or have others do so. This is very easy, too, with few voter-ID laws. And this is why Democrats oppose these laws so vehemently.

    Now consider that Obama “won” Ohio by 100,000 votes. This means that to flip the state, Democrat surrogates had to illegally “activate” only 6.25 percent of its 1.6 million inactive voters.

    Note also that Ohio secretary of state Jon Husted did ask Eric Holder’s DOJ for help negotiating conflicting federal laws pertaining to the purging ineligible voters from the rolls. The DOJ’s ultimate response? “No comment.”

    Yet a voter doesn’t even have to be inactive, just disengaged. For example, when the aforementioned Patrick Moran offered advice on surrogate voting, he told an undercover reporter to masquerade as a pollster and call a targeted individual to make sure he wasn’t planning to vote. And this is nothing new. In fact, liberal leg-thriller Chris Matthews himself admitted that it has been going on for years.

    Then there is the case of the missing military ballots. As Rachel Alexander at Town Hall reported:

    The conservative-leaning military vote has decreased drastically since 2010 due to the so-called Military Voter Protection Act that was enacted into law the year before. It has made it so difficult for overseas military personnel to obtain absentee ballots that in Virginia and Ohio there has been a 70% decrease in requests for ballots since 2008. In Virginia, almost 30,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots than in 2008. In Ohio, more than 20,000 fewer overseas military voters requested ballots. This is significant considering Obama won in both states by a little over 100,000 votes.

    Frankly, it is inconceivable that military interest in voting could’ve dropped so drastically given conservatives’ passion this election season. The damning conclusion? The Obama machine wants our soldiers to shed blood while it sheds their votes.

    Striking as all this is, however, it’s likely just a partial picture. As with all crime, it’s a given that the discovered vote fraudsters represent only a tiny percentage of the total. And what about vote-fraud methods we haven’t even thought of yet? Remember, the Democrats have been honing this act for many, many years.

    And vote fraud is Democrat domain. Liberals are the situational-values set, people who for years insisted that right and wrong is relative and that if it feels good, do it. And what feels good to them at election time is stealing votes to win – and they do it. They relish it, in fact. Like the liberal who addressed Bill Clinton’s it-depends-on-what-is-is infidelity and adamantly told me, “He did the right thing,” leftists love the con. To pull a fast one like private eye Jim Rockford, fool everyone, and get away with it is like winning the Nobel Prize in Prevarication in their world. Thus, it’s assured that there’s no small number of liberals who are currently brimming with pride at having negated the votes of countless knuckle-dragging conservatives.

    Having said this, we can’t be sure about the exact magnitude of the vote fraud. But my judgment is this:

    The election was likely stolen.

    And whatever Barack Obama is presently, I don’t believe he will be a legitimate president come January 20.

    This is why Congressman Allen West was right not to concede his Florida race. And, frankly, if Romney believes that the election may have been stolen nationally, he should withdraw his concession.



    Yes, but so is vote fraud on the scale perpetrated by Obama’s minions. And people needn’t fear creating a national crisis – we are already in a national crisis. The only question is whether good Americans will stand and be counted or allow 2012 to mark our official descent into banana-republic status.
    Have a nice day!

    “Tell Vladimir, after my next election, I will have more flexibility.” – Barack Hussein Obozo caught on microphone promising Vladimir he will screw America after he does not have to worry about the stupid voters again.

    • I could disprove each point of your rant but you’ve drunk too much FOX kool-aid to listen. And by the way most of the intimidation and fraud was caught perpetrated by those on your side of the fence.

      • I find it amusing that the guy you responded to actually thinks anybody read that rant of his….what a nimrod….apparently he DOESN’T have a job while accusing anyone and everyone who voted for Obama that they don’t…unbelievable – some people just cannot be fixed….

        • Elisabeth, There are about three or four nutjobs that have let their racism slip, in the past, who come on these boards to spew from thier upside down digestive systems. They are not thinkers and add nothing. The best thing, to do, is ignore them.

      • mod…. that is an absolute LIE. Explain this:

        – 900,000+ total voters in Cuyahoga County, OH. 100% voted for Obozo. Romney got zero votes. There were no write ins and no other candidates chosen. This is impossible.

        – 59 districts in Philly – about 19,600 voters. 100% voted for Obozo. Romney got zero votes. This is impossible.

        – 13 precincts in Philly kicked out Republican poll watchers. In those precincts, Obozo go 99% of the vote. This is impossible.

        – tens of thousands of examples of people going to polls only to find out that they already voted when they didn’t.

        This is why you leftist freaks DESPISE voter ID. It blocks many of your forms of fraud that you use to steal elections.

        Have a nice day!

        “It matters not who votes… what matters is who counts the votes.” – Josef Stalin

          • Hey dummy…. these are election results. What about actual election results is difficult for you to understand? You may be a leftist freak and believe in the primacy of big government control over all aspects of life, but you gotta be honest. The numbers are not lying. 100% vote for a single candidate? It is statistically impossible. You have a better chance of flying by flapping your arms.

            Wake up, stupid. Your country is being stolen from beneath your nose, and you are complicit in the crime. You are what Stalin referred to as a “useful idiot”.

            Have a nice day!

            “It matters not who votes… what matters is who counts the votes.” – Josef Stalin

          • You mean like Bush did twice? Crawl back under your rock and fester for four more years. I equate you to a Cancer, to survive you cut Cancer out and remove it.

          • By the way I am not a liberal leftist I am an Independent moderate who used to vote heavily GOP…until the party became taken over by extremists. I leave it now to the people like you who swallow all their swill.

          • tell me mod…. why did you used to vote Republican? What are the positions of that party that you used to agree with that you no longer do? I am always curious with these sorts of statements. Serious question, not a trap at all.

            Have a nice day!

            “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end, and no sense of responsibility at the other.” – Ronald Reagan

          • There used to be many in the Republican Party that I admired and who used common sense for their platforms, people like William Milliken a former governor of Michigan and even Mitt’s father George was a man of uncompromising principles and integrity who spoke his mind and didn’t care who didn’t like it, you knew where he stood and he didn’t switch positions.

            I do not like extremes on either side, left or right. Too much emotion, not enough logic and does not generally benefit the vast majority of American citizens. Sadly the GOP has swung too far right and although I am not an Obama fan I had to go Democrat. They are also refusing compromise and that is just plain foolish and again emotional. Politics is and always has been about compromise if you want to get anything done. When the GOP starts listening and responding to a more logical platform then i will vote there again.

          • Mod… that doesn’t really answer my question. I understand the integrity thing and agree with you on that. But what specifically are the positions of the Republican party that you used to agree with but no longer do?

    • You actually crawled out from under your rock. Like most losers, you are trying to console yourself with the new version of Bull—- as you have put forth. As a mis guided, misinformed, frustrated, angry, disillusioned and truly depressed person, I know it is hard for you to drag yourself out of that river of denial and actually attempt to understand the reality of what has taken place in this country. The majority of us, excluding the 44 and up white males and their spouses and the less educated middle class white voters, are not in agreement with your side. So you have a choice, you can consider the possible advantages for everyone if the wall could be removed and logic not feelings and emotions take precedent in the decision making process. Or you can maintain your position and you and all those like you will be left behind as relics of the past. Study history, compromise is a tool for survival. As far as Alan West is concerned, he is a buffoon and a disgrace. As an ex military person the knowledge that he was forced to resign his commission as a Lt. Colonel, while in a hostile fire zone, says it all for me. The people you guys revere and give credence to.

      • What is so hard to understand about this?

        – 900,000+ total voters in Cuyahoga County, OH. 100% voted for Obozo. Romney got zero votes. There were no write ins and no other candidates chosen. This is impossible.

        – 59 districts in Philly – about 19,600 voters. 100% voted for Obozo. Romney got zero votes. This is impossible.

        – 13 precincts in Philly kicked out Republican poll watchers. In those precincts, Obozo go 99% of the vote. This is impossible.

        – tens of thousands of examples of people going to polls only to find out that they already voted when they didn’t.

        This is why you leftist freaks DESPISE voter ID. It blocks many of your forms of fraud that you use to steal elections.

        Have a nice day!

        “It matters not who votes… what matters is who counts the votes.” – Josef Stalin

        • FOX No News and all of it’s affiliates, associations, pun dents and spokes people are not credible sources. When you can supply any documentation that can accepted, by each side, as being credible and not slanted due to political persuasion, get back to me until ten, crawl back under your rock. We have important work to do.

        • “- 900,000+ total voters in Cuyahoga County, OH. 100% voted for Obozo. Romney got zero votes. There were no write ins and no other candidates chosen. This is impossible.”
          Mathematically, you mean that it is “improbable”, not “impossible”.

        • Heh. Hehheh. Hehhehhehhehheh. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A-A. HOO-HOO-HOO-HOO-HOO-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
          Cough. Harumph. As you were.
          By the way have a nice day……………

      Cough. Harumph. As you were.
      By the way have a nice day……………

    • I also like “foxed” as an adjective…as in “this is all foxed up” I think we could really make this line stick for a while like the stupid valleygirl speak that started way back when and is still “LIKE” hanging around today…”Sir Your opinion is foxilized, thus your campaign is all foxed up!”

  22. So, just how fast can Karl Rove dance to “O, Dem Golden Slippers” to the Koch Brothers? After all, how much of THEIR money did he flush down unwinnable campaigns this year? What about Sheldon Addleson? When are his Macau Money Masters going to come calling about why their investment didn’t pay off?

  23. The republican party felt that since they had this country held captive because there members had all the countries wealth, that they could bully their way into office. Example , C.E.O imforms employees if the President win again he would have a mass lay off,also in places were the districts were remapped people went to the wrong voting place because they were not told their plling place changed. The people spoke and sent the rich white party packing, money can not buy every thing

  24. Dean Chambers described Nate Silver as “kinda gay” because that’s about as deep the GOP constituency can understand these days. You can’t throw theoretical statistics and algorithms at these people, their small minds may swell and explode.

    Why GOP strategists decided to make this demographic/socioeconomic group their target defies any type of logic. Americans may be slowly dumbing down, but we aren’t comatose just yet to be swayed but such divisive, hate mongering , Jersey Shore like Newsertainment.

    I am sure Nate Silver has a pie chart showing the distinct correlation between Rush Limbaugh believers and fans that think the World Wrestling Federation is real. That’s what used to be my Republican party has become… a party of partiers guzzlin’, flannel shirt wearin’, boot stompin’, NASCAR watchin’, confederate flag wavin’, Sh#t kickin’, partiers.

  25. Bill Maher got it right. The Republicans live inside a bubble, an alternate reality to them where they turn wishes into facts, ignore actual facts and as Romney said, “We aren’t going to be listening to “fact checkers.” So what could they possibly expect, and how can you ever bring to reality people who think the earth is only 5000 years old and science is all wrong on the history of man and the earth and evolution. What amazes me is just how many votes Romney and his ilk actually got.

    As for FOX and the other money grubbing “conservative” yelling bigots, they will keep ranting and raving and going further and further to the extremes as long their multi-milion dollar contracts are renewed and stupid, ignorant people pay to listen to their alternate reality fact creation and venomous positions.

    Jay Curtis (author of THE CODE)

    • That’s why we need to boycott all companies that advertize on fox…and call them and write them and let them know we will not be buying from them until they stop advertizing on fox news period.

  26. The Republican Party will not see the White House again, and perhaps the House of Rep after 2014, until the dump Karl Rove, Paul Ryan, Rush Limbaugh and all their types. By the way FOX NEWS doesn’t help their cause either!
    Wayne Fritzinger
    Fairmont, Mn 56031

  27. The first thing the republican party should do is rid themselves of their own vermon that got their lily white asses whooped in the first place:
    Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Mike Huckabee, Peggy Noonan, Charles Krauthammer, Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reiley.

    I DARE republicans to engage in the obstructionist type behavior again. The electorate will do the same to them in 2 years!!!

  28. Its funny, fox entertainment calling people gay. I wonder if they ever met karl rove, rush limbaugh or ann coulter? These 3 could have all played pat on snl except they all look too kinky.

    we all know that rush is actually an over paid, drug addelled pedophilia but that sure doesnt stop fox. And is ann actually arnie? what about rove? that loser has never gotten any without paying for it and they have the nerve to call Nate gay?

    It takes one to know one and fox has NO track record for being correct about anything, including their own name with “news” in it.

  29. Hey, isn’t that photo of Karl Rogue, err a, Rove. Hope it’s hi res—suitable for framing or wrapping fish. There is a word for him–SHMUCK. Who is the biggest asshole… Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh or Donald Trump? Romney, expected, will say anything to be elected, and so will his sidekick, there goes lyon’ Ryan.

  30. My Southern Baptist friends like Mitt Romney and his lies not know that Mormonism is a cult and not a Christian religion. They have the KJV and their own Mormon bible witch is against what God says in Revelations.

    • Don, a friend in Tennessee tells me it is thus: The Southern Baptists believe that Mormonism is a cult, but when it comes to a race between a Black man and a Mormon they will vote for the Mormon because the Mormon is white.

        • Palin doesn’t seem to have absorbed much knowledge from her schooling. Her lack is appalling, more on a par with children who have not yet gone…well maybe early elementary level and she makes no effort to educate herself when she makes errors. I would not actually want to see anyone let alone children exposed to her foolishness.

  31. As an English man who lives between America and the UK. And as someone who has witnessed the criminal inditements of senior Executives at Murdocks scummy tabloid media interests in England. I am overjoyed to see this corrupt twat fall in the shit.
    I wouldnt piss on Murdock, Beck and co if they were on fire.
    My happy ending would be that the Murdock scandal blows up in America as it should. Even our Conservative government in England concluded that Murdock was not fit to run a media corp. When will America ‘Get It’
    Nuff Said.

    • Replying to Stephen Page –

      Unfortunately, we Americans prefer to wait until a massive scandal appears within our borders before we take any action.

      With that said, I whole heartedly agree with everything you wrote.

    • Stephan, we are a little backward here. The national IQ average is less than 100. There are many of us, on this board, who are frustrated with even trying to communicate with the bullies in the tea party. They are dangerous to our democracy as you can see by the succession efforts.

  32. A whole hour segment was devoted last night on radio’s “Coast to Coast,” notorious for its right wing nutjob guests and callers, to a new “movement” to secede from the union in something like 40 states with something like 600,000 alleged signtures on a petition to the President online. It was billed as being the only choice left to voters after this election, tantamount to what had to happen in the American Revolution. Of course, the subject of guns came up, too. The host did not seem appalled in the least that the rest of us would have to live in a divided nation against our choice if they had their way. Nice to know what the other side is thinking. The Civil War (or should we start to call it Civil War I?) somehow never managed to get mentioned in this hour.

    I agree with the commentator below that the right wing is going to lurch even further to the right, whipped up into a frenzy by these agitators and by unfulfilled historical passions for separation into their own private bedlams. Their followers will be left-behind committed true believers who are not going to be dissuaded if their party’s stance is modified to conform to reality. The Republicans have created their own monster, an it is not going to go away soon.

    • Jeffery, this is treason. I live in one of those states. I do not want to live in a confederacy. I have always been an American and want to stay that way. This was a national election, the people spoke and the tea party thugs cannot stand that.

    • What those rightwingnuts should do is charter some ships and head off into the abyss for some unchartered uninhabited land and start their own little country. I’m sure they won’t be missed. They would never do that though, then who would they hate?

  33. It seems to me that William Stringfellow explained this state of affairs way back in the 1960s and 1970s, when he wrote that the demonic “powers and principalities” mentioned by Saint Paul in the Bible manifest themselves today in (among other things) ideologies. In other words, ideologies are idols which inevitably make slaves of their votaries. So are institutions, by the way, which explains why Stringfellow, himself a lawyer, has been read by law students interested in learning how corporate structure operate, even when religious authorities beholden to their own institutions refused to do so.

    These people have become so devoted to their ideology as to feel (and I use the word advisedly) that it cannot fail, only be failed. This devotion has not only affected their emotions but clouded what’s left of their judgment.

    There’s more than one way to read the Bible.

    • You presume 90% of Black people voted for President Obama because he is Black. Certainly in some some cases you are correct, but not all. Have you ever stopped to think how many White people didn’t vote for him because he is Black. So what’s the difference and what’s your point. I personnally consider myself to be politically informed and like nothing Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan stood for. I think this country really dodged the bullet by not electing those two. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should know you cannot continue to give tax breaks to wealthy people and expect the shrinking middle class to foot the bill and the economy will miraculously turn itself around. Wealthy people need to pay their fair share. We need to go back to what works. Under the leadership of Bill Clinton the nation prospered and that is what we need to go back to. That is just plain old common sense.

      • I live in the North West and we don’t have a lot of black people where I live, but the two black friends I do have were upset cuz Obama won. I didn’t ask why.

  34. Fox news fails at everything…i mean for instance…take a look at sheppard smith….man cant read…man cant spell….man cant even speak right…whats up with the vocab on that station…are all these people that elegant i wonder…LOL…he is so comical when he reads from his telepromter that you just want to feel pity for him…and megan kelly….what a bimbo she is…is this not the purest form of stupidity ….who is she cleaning and lining the bedsheets for…i guess a box of chocolates is exactly what you get when you watch the fox news…as forest would say…stupid is, as stupid does…what a bunch of jackasses….hew haw…!


  36. Those stupid people that gave millions to that big bubblehead Rove are just dumb and/or hateful enough to finance him again. The American people have already proven, we can not be bought. They will try it again though.

  37. As I wrote in a Facebook post yesterday, one of the big problems with The Wrong and The Far Wrong (“Con” and “Bagger” GOP) is, in addition to the GOP messengers mostly being complete a$$holes, THE MESSAGE OF THE GOP IS BAD! It doesn’t matter whom or how you spout off Conservative principles….IT’S A BAD MESSAGE! These GOP dumbasses lost because they refuse to admit to one truth that signals their doom, eventually: 60% of the voters in this country have PROGRESSIVE POLITICAL PHILOSOPHIES! Not Conservatism, Neo-Conservatism, Liberalism or Radical Liberalism….PROGRESSIVISM!
    Here’s a statement that you’ll hear from Conservatives that perfectly encapsulates their thinking: “I’m all for progress as long as nothing changes”. What dumbasses! And, also, GOP policies are highly REGRESSIVE AS WELL! Someone said recently that the GOP is the “Mad Men Party in the Modern Family world”. Yup…the GOP’s fascist policies that suppress the rights of women and minorities are perfectly suited to that AMC show. If you want to know how regressive the GOP f*cktards are, just read the headlines over the past two days: hundreds of thousands of The Wrong and Far Wrong want their states to secede from the US! Uh, yeah….they tried that…. a century and a half ago! It led to that little conflict in the history books known as “The Civil War”!
    There’s a reason why the politicians in the states where these Con and Bagger dimwits have signed the secession petition have advocated against secession: IT’S TREASON! After the Civil War and during Reconstruction, all states, not just the former Confederate States of America, were made to sign permanent loyalty agreements so that secession never became a problem again. Any politician that advocates for secession of a state or states from the US is guilty of treason, pure and simple. So, if those Con and Bagger idiots really want to secede from the Union, why don’t they take the advice of Mittens the Liar Rmoney, who said that “illegal aliens should self-deport”.
    If you mental midgets want to go to a country without “socialized medicine” and “big government” that’s run by a theocracy, I have the perfect country for you: IRAN! The weather ranges from warm in the winter to oppressively hot in the summer, so you don’t have to worry about that pesky “climate change”…it never changes there! 🙁 ssmdh

  38. As I said before OUT OF TOUCH, OUT OF STEP & BLIND. They can’t even see the writting on the wall. They are now trying to dealing with the “Latino problem” the Afacian-Americian problem” & the “Asian-Americian” problem. They want to hold their noses and invite “those People” into the club. Their puntits can’t even understand where they went wrong & now are making excuses for the “little” upset ie “Landslide”.

  39. Perhaps Republicans were so sure the polls were irrelevant, because given the voter fraud legislation and attempts to curtail voter turnout, they thought they would win regardless of who people actually wanted to vote for. They just couldn’t say “Ignore the polls, we are making sure democratic votes get thrown out illegally,” so they said “Our polls show Romney in the lead.”

  40. Name calling is too much a GOP tactic. Like obstruction, it is typical of a party with no real convictions or committment to the US or the truth, just to maximizing profits. The “southern strategy” still works with some southern whites, but the South is not only not the entire country, but is no longer aging white men (being a aging white male from the South I’m entitled to that observation.) The best move for the GOP would be to do something positive for the vast majority of Americans, not just the latest group they’re pandering to in an attempt to win votes for their rich white agenda.
    Absolutely NOTHING the current congressional GOP (weaker despite rigged voting districts and megabucks) has done indicates a capacity to govern this country as a whole. It seems more desireous of destroying this government to enhance the profits of their clients.

  41. Fox News,Hannity,Krauthammer,Rove,Rush,Beck,The Party Of No,and the Tea Party Nuts can’t beleive that Obama got reelected.They couldn’t beleive he got elected the first time.They remind me of people that can’t beleive they lost the Civil War.They all have something in common.There all “LOSERS”

  42. LOVE IT. Oh my goodness…..what an absolutely WONDERFUL article. It is so true and succinct that I must give Gene Lyons a great big cyber KISS for writing this. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I shall share, print and keep this article to reflect upon any time that I need a GREAT BIG LAUGH about the GOP, NutWingers and all of the Foxified idiots in the world. So, in other words, daily. Keep up the good (laughs) Carolyn aka B4Real2012

  43. Very Clear

    Just demonstrates just how out of touch and departed from reality the old, old, used up GOP really happens to be.

    So when is the GOP’s funeral and where do we send flowers?
    Is there going to be an open casket and how are they going to get Karl Rove to lay in it?

  44. Australian Saudi owned News Corp and its Fox, are nothing but a propaganda whore house with nationally known pimps, like Hannity, Coulter, Boortz, O’ Riley, Limbaugh and Ericksson.

  45. I understand that there is a “research” data and peer-reviewed bulletin showing anecdotally that Fox infotainment is causing a dumbing effect on its listeners and that someone that watches Fox knows less than someone that does not watch “news”.

  46. I cannot tell you just how much I’m enjoying these sons of bitches crawling on all there hands and knees back to their damn germ infested holes. The damn germs they are! It is also so exciting to see just how much money they can just throw away. Many Americans can even understand the vast numbers that they spent just to lie.

  47. There is a petition going around to have Fox News license revoked. The sooner the better. The Brits got wise to the degenerate Murdoch and America should too.

    • Yeah… right on… go get em… anyone that speaks an opposing view to the left needs to be shut down! They need to be “re-educated” and if they don’t agree with us after that, have them killed!!!! YEAH!!! That’s what ought to happen. Shut them up!!!! Screw the 1st Amendment and the Constitution. That was written by a bunch of old white racists anyway. Fox News is standing in the way of progress. Kill them!!!!!!!

      Hmmmmmm…. remind you of any other places and dictators througout history? Funny how the socialists and dictators (aka leftist freaks) are the ones that think like you do, jsty.

      Have a nice day!

      “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” ― George Orwell

      • You said it, not us! You exercise your First Amendment right every day on these forums Obozo. The GOP paid the price on election day for their right to alienate with their hateful rhetoric. And a TV news station cannot stand in the way of progress. If that was the case, the GOP would have won the election.

        • Stella… right you are re: me posting here. My comment was obviously sarcastic and in response to the nonsense about shutting down opposition voices as posted by that moron jstsyn. Read his post, then my response. He’s the kind of useful idiot that cheers when the Nazi’s take over and snuff the opposition.

          Have a nice day, Stella!

          “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.” — George Orwell

      • Oh, crazy “ObozoMustGo” the nutjob tinfoil hat is still spouting.. after thelectoral vote was so clear and loud. Rage on for the next four years, fool.

    • When they figure out they will be cut off from financial the benefits of the federal government, you can bet they will shut their pie holes.

  48. They not only lie to their viewers, they lied to themselves, and began to believe their own lies. Their was so many things put in place to steal the election, voter suppession, machine tampering, removing people from voter rolls, shorten early voting days, this is what assured them they would win. Their scheme began to crumble before election. They saw the polls but would no tell their base. Listen to what Paul Ryan said , they lost the election because the suburbs came out to vote. They thought the suburbs had been reremoved from rolls. That was the GOP plan. My grandfather always said listen to every word a person say when talking, and you will find out what kind of human being is.

  49. I likethis page because it shows just how stupid Karl Rove is when he is spending other people’s money. He is the most repulsive person I have ever seen, and I think he and his methods are obsolete. He needs to wake up and get into the 21 century. He is a natural lier and is in the same class as Rush Limbaugh. Both generate hot air from the the wrong end of their anatomy.

  50. Gee, you pay people to tell you what you want to hear — or give them higher ratings, same thing really — and they *lie* to you. What in the name of P.T. Barnum were they thinking?

  51. If you want to get a taste of FOX News Conservatives going crazy, just read the comments on yahoo News connected with any article about the President and just about anything else that they can connect to the President. I would laugh if it was not so sad and serious. It would seem to me that many are on the verge of a breakdown. One thing for sure, they have no connection to what happen, still believe the President really didn’t win and we will know as soon as the all the votes are counted. Their feelings are fed by the conservative pundits whose livings depend on keeping their followers doing just that. Personally, I think they will remain same even as they push the Republican Party right into the hole they have dug making room for another 2nd Party.

  52. The bunch from Fox and others brain was clogged with cholesterol they were not able to think, brain activity was at a low margin probably 40% or less, .. They are too filled with hatred they were blinded to reality and still do . Money cannot buy election it is a fallacy, spewing bitterenes/gall, fear mongering and dis-specting the president and the general population are the main ingredients that turn off people. Let the blind gray head big belly rich fools continue down this path, it will truely kill the republican party.

  53. IT MUST END!! Here is my latest [now under investigation by the Cubs legal department]

    Stephanie Cubsfan · Top Commenter · Official uniform inspector and dresser for Chicago teams at Uniform Inspector for the Cubs, Bears, Blackhawks, Bulls and NU.

    No the true idiots like you only stop raping kids long enough to call all Romney voters racist.
    Reply · Like · November 3 at 9:24am

  54. What all these people from the south don’t understand…….or are to ignorant to acknowledge is ………..the Rush’s , Beck’s , Roves are in this for the working mans MONEY…………………and they are winning………………..these ignorant wahoo’s believe everything these MONEY MONGERS throw at them…………..if defense of the country doesn’t work…….try they are going to raise your middle class tax rate………….to this is not what GOD wanted………….and you dumb azz’s believe it all…………most of you people in the south are low to middle class yourselves…………..and if you think healthcare for all(including you in lower class) is going to harm you…………don’t think so…….you people are taken care of the best. And if you think abortion is that big of a deal…………look at how many unwanted pregnancy’s you have in your town………… all of you moral bible thumpers go out and tell these girls that you will take care of they’re babies…………..I doubt it…………….WAKE UP……………..Listening to the PROPHETS as you would call them……take your money……………… high off the hog…………spew rhetoric…………………….and you suffer………….LOL. Don’t try to make me into one of you…………I work……………Pay my taxes(GLADLY) ….and enjoy the tax breaks I do get…….I am MIDDLE class , putting my kids through school and knowing they will be better off than I was growing up. And I owe this to scholarships…… breaks………..and deductions for the middle class. I Thank You for your blog space.

  55. NATE SILVER may well be androgenous man of diminuitive frame and stature. This is no show-stopper. SO WAS POL-POT ! The smug, bourgeois coterie of the Greedy & Opportunistic Plutocrats know nothing of the primordial (and thus universal) hatred that is mounting against them.

  56. Oregon used to have 2 Republican Senators, one an outstanding peace advocate and critic of American militarism and the other a fairly strong environmentalist. The Republican Party has degraded into sickness, exceeding greed, and a self-destructive narcissism. It will die a lonely death as succeeding elections play out…mark my word. You can’t build an effective national political party out of charlatans, salespeople, and professional liars who do not believe they could ever do anything wrong. Real men make mistakes, admit them, and reassess their situation, nature and actions in order to begin doing the right thing. When things do not go well usually there is a reason.

  57. Lincoln was right. “You can fool some of the people all of the time; all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time. ”

    “Tax cuts for job creators”, and “Deregulation to create a more favorable business environment” and the massive consequences to this nation have finally caught up with the GOP and its Right Wing managers. Three attempts were enough.

  58. Not as long as you have the Kochs, Roves, Riley, Murdock and all those other big billionaires and the stupid people who listens to the acidic crap they spew out of their mouth.

  59. It wasn’t long ago when someone who really screwed up pretty bad would disappear and was never to be heard of for a long time. Now these screwups make up excuses why things went wrong and the ones that paid their bills accept it. You would think that all these money guys would not be very forgiven after having lost all that money. Maybe they have so much to throw away that it really doesn’t matter to them any more.

  60. Ryan is done for this reckless comment that “urban people” don’t matter. He lost his own hometown like a pussy-cat killer. Then, telling Americans that urban people don’t matter? Sorry loser!!! I am urban person.

  61. I am so happy to have seen Obama win out not just over Romney but the utterly radical and rediculpus Republicans who seem to have lost their American principles and values.
    Everyone can claim to embrace principles and values but that does not even suggest those values and principles are True American traits. The Republicans seem to have lost direction, national purpose, integrity and honor. As a registered Republican there was no way I could back Bush in his two runs. I did back MCain when he ran aginst Bush (and America would be a far better place had McCain beat Bush; I changed my backing when Obama ran aginst McCain) and I am happy and proud Obama is steping up to the plate for another four years.
    Lets hope Mitch McConnell and Karl Rove and their followers who have put failure above American sucess loose the backing and support from American voters from both parties electiing instead a path that will return Ameruica to the nation we were before the Roves, McConnells, and radical right TV and radio talk show hosts has lead so many people astray!

  62. Sweeeet!!! I love this article, it highlights the depth of GOP’s “state of denial”. They were warned time and time again that America’s demographics “are” shifting and becoming younger and more diverse. But instead of heeding the warnings, they decided to ignore the hard data, and snubbed their noses at the trends that were obvious to anyone “paying close attention”. The GOP lost the 2012 election because they relied on past election results and they displayed unbelievable arrogance and stupidity. My prediction for future elections is this: “The GOP will double down on its current platform and beliefs. They will simply try to ‘re-package’ their products and market them using different style. They will hope that the young voters will be dazzled by their fancy footwork, and then they will “slither” their way back into power for another 5 or 6 decades.” However, if the members of the current GOP decide to either “secede” or allow their party to go the way of the Whigs, the rest of us will be ecstatic and overjoyed.

  63. Dom: I agree 100% with your eloquent comments! However, I prefer to keep it simple: “The Republican Party continues to view America as a land of opportunity for the wealthy and obviously still do not consider minorities ,of all colors, worthy to share in the great American Dream of “equal with unalienable rights.” Until they make serious change in their basic thought process, they will always be inevitably LOST!

  64. James – The Bush era Tax Cuts ALONE account for a significant portion of that number. Add in the “off-the-books” war spending and you get close to 5 trillion. Then starts TARP and various deficit spending stimulus packages to (successfully) halt the economic freefall in 2009.

    This is the core of the lie of the last 2 elections (2010 & 2012): that the Obama admin is responsible for all or most of the national debt and budget deficit. Do your homework (or just take a math class) and it’s easy to see when the credit cards started to max out. Obama did a helluva job with the mess he inherited. And as a result, we are on our way OUT of the recession. Seems to me to be the “right direction”

  65. Romney drank the kool-aid he was being fed and he should have been smarter than that. He was just afraid of losing his base if he conducted himself like the moderate he really is and was more forthcoming. He became untrustworthy to too many people. The South voted for him despite his flip-flopping primarily for racist and religious reasons. They seem too immersed in their alternate reality to see the truth.

  66. I just feel so sorry for this group. They’ve convinced their base that their alternate universe was real, that the so called moochers and takers are out to ruin the world, and that all freedoms will be lost. They didn’t want to believe the writing on the wall. When the polls were in their favor everything was fine, but as soon as they went in the President’s direction then of course they were skewed, they were wrong, they were over-sampled, they were biased.

    The only people that didn’t care which way the polls went were the very media that they claimed were on the president’s side, the liberal media that raked in a fortune from all the ads the so called “smart people” took out to buy this election. Karma is a b#$ch.

  67. Mitt did not believe in science, the environment; why should he believe statistics. I myself is a statistician by trade and I found Nate Silver to be reliable and accurate. I also had similar predictions looking at the various polls of the swing states, and at no time that I found Obama trailing in the electoral count. The only race that I could not predict was the house race due to the excessive gerrymandering by the republican governments on state level.

    There is also another angel, Mitt and his right wing bundits believed only their own statistics and self inflicted lies, the Democrates took the worst polls and assume that they are right and worked to improve their chances, that is why the Democrates won and the Republicans lost.

    • Dems did not win because they were right. They won because Dems were downright insulting, vulgar, incriminating and should I say, their ads bordered on negative paranoia. From Dems angle, it seemed as if the world would would face a catastrophic end if Romney won. Their campaign was like a Mafia bandwagon, out to discredit their enemy, whatever would take it. And it was lies and inundations all the way. It is called the bogeyman syndrome, i.e. when you’ve no material against your enemy, you invent some and discredit your opponent.

      Republicans were, in comparison, far more decent, sophisticated and humane in their election campaign. For once, lies, insults, hate campaign and negativism won it for Dems. Uncle sam, it seems, is taken over by St. Obamaist Cult.

      This is the stark truth. Now hurl as much insults as you can, exactly as you did in the elections.

      • Where were you the last 4 yrs, perhaps in another planet. The truth to you became vulgar and insulting, the lies became decent and sophosicated; what a logic?
        I guess you only watch Foxnews, and may be you to read what right wing media say day in and day out.. how they insulted women, blacks, hispanics and everyone who disagree with them and what language is being used by these holier than thou people.
        Obama was elected in 2008 and again in 2012 not because he was a black, or a Muslim or un-American, he was elected because the electorate saw in him what John McCain and Mitt Romney lacked. The majority of the voters saw future in Obama, and the past in McCain and Romney, whether you accept that or not it is up to you, and no one will accuse you of being anti American as some accused Obama’s supporters.

        • This is exactly what I was saying. “The voters saw future in Obama”. Mark my words my dear, the future is very bleak under Obama. Four years hence, at the end of Obama’s second tenure, there will be no rivers of milk and honey flowing. You’ll find yourself in the same miserable or whatever condition you find yourself in now. Only worse. One more thing, Obama received just two percent extra endorsement, just two percent and as per the Pew research, it were mainly the republicans who did not vote in the proportion that Dems voted. Hypothetically, that makes the support base nearly 50-50. Are you, Obama followers convinced that this half population is uneducated, racist, ignorant, liars, backward looking and supporters of evil?

          Winning or loosing an election is not the end of the world. I’d suggest you first learn to distinguish between being a “supporter” and being a “follower”. Obama at best, is a political leader, definitely not worthy of sainthood or a messianic status. Judge him by the signs that he has displayed. And may I put it this way, judging by those signs, it is a sure warning. Only Obama Cultists will not be able to see these. He is sure to take down America with him. May be that is his hidden agenda after all. The way he genuflected before the Saudi King and almost asked for forgiveness during his Cairo address are some of the signs. There are many more that are strewn everywhere on the net. Go have some reality check.

          • Hottrika, thank you for your response.
            I found it out to be the same rant that I heard from the pundits and from Romney himself just yesterday. I am not a follower of Obama by any measure, and I did not call you what you called yourself. I said only that you are free to believe what I said or not, as for the next 4 yrs I do not think that will be like the last 8 years of GW Bush, let us wait and see
            Let us return to the issue of the discussion: “Statistics and Polls.” a science that you apparently do not believe in and that is the real issue here!

  68. The Fox News infotainment cult couldn’t care less. 45% is still enough to continue making them millions for a few years.

  69. Forget all the polls and the ‘experts’. The bookmakers were giving 4-1 if you wanted to back Romeny to win Ohio 2 days before the election. Minnesota was 11-1, Pennsylvania was 8-1. If Dick Morris and the gang really thought Romney had a chance they woulod have been putting their money on the election. Obama was a huge favorite all through the betting. The rumors that the race was close or a toss-up was all propaganda. Romney was never less that 3-1 and Obama was never better than 2-7. The bookmakers have to be right or they don’t eat.

    A friend in Dallas bet his boss $2000 that Obama would win the election. Then he bet $1000 on Romney on an online site at 3-1. If Obama won he collected $2000 from his boss, lost $1000 on his Romeny bet, and showed a profit of $1000. If Romney won he lost $2000 to his boss, made $3000 with his online bet on Romney, and showed a profit of $1000. I can’t believe there were people who were betting on Romney without getting at least 3-1 odds.

  70. If the Gop does not change the way that they think , it will be 100 years before we see another white man in the Whitehouse. Alot of sensible rich people are okay with the tax hike for the rich. It seems like a battle between rich and poor, the rich get richer and the poor gets poorer and poorer and poorer. We the poor are the ones who made the rich, rich…….Give some back you can, afford it.

  71. We all need to wakeup and feel the spirit, God has a hand in all this. Sandy, snow storms,Omaba’s reelection, the fall of the Gop etc. Oh we cause globle warming now God’s natrual order has been disrubed. And we will feel his rafe, God don’t bless no bless.

  72. We are in spiritual warfare, we must fight the evil within as well as the evil without. Some of the tv programs and movies play apart, you can think its just entertainment if you what to. Entertainment for who or what.Its apart of life, just look around.

  73. They think most Americans are lazy , stupid,and racist.Once again they have been proven wrong.But, be aware. They also suffer from “Obama derangment syndrome”.They will do anything to obtain power>

  74. Since the days of Reagan, the Republican’s have been a faith based Party. They make their own reality and then believe it to be so. Take FOX News for example, they say, hint or imply Obama is a Muslim/communist then repeat ad nausiem every germ they can glean to validate their supposition.

    Ergo, they are never wrong, that is, until the cold hand of reality steps in. Everyone knows, reality has a liberal bias.

    • Obama’s genuflecting before the Saudi King, his seeking forgiveness from Muslim brotherhood in his Cairo address during his attempt at “outreach” to Muslims, his wearing the Ring inscribed with the first commandment of a Muslim, Shahada words, in Arabic. “THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH”. His own admission to the effect that He was raised as a Muslim, his ideologues, his mentors……if these are not the sure signs of Obama’s Islamist leanings, if not being outright Muslim, what is it. Only Obama Cultists will not be able to see these signs. Some historical events, tragically, take time to prove, only when it is too late and when there is no recovery from it.

  75. This morning Mitt Romney now says he lost the election because Obama promised GIFTS. Like immigration reform, medicare for seniors, jobs for Vets. Isn’t that what political types do, They work foi the GOOD of the people. Mitt and ALL his republican friends forgot that us hard working, family raising, tax paying (more than 14% on 20 mil? folks are also americans and would vote for the politician that works for them. MITT forgot that and wants to blame us 47% because he thinks were all moochers. I worked a lifetime but never tho9ught to vote for ROMNEY because he lies, he knows NOTHING about being a real american because the republican party is UN-AMERICAN now, imagine wanting to take away medicare instead of fixing (like Obama) tied but the gop voted No to that and jobsd and everything else. BLOCKING party is all they have become and americans wanted work not hate and Obama tries hard it seems. They voted and blocked anything that would halp americans over the last 4 years. LOOK AT VOTING RECORDS OF REPUBLICANS AND IT BECOMES CLEAR HOW BAD THEY WANTED HIM TO BE A ONE TERM PRESIDENT,
    Mitch McConnel said it best about a month after Obama took office in 2008 the goal of republicans should be to do NOTHING but BLOCK him until he loses 2012, Mitch mcConnel told hius gop buddies that. AGAIN GO CHECK!!! I tell the facts not that FOX make it all up news.

    • No, Obama did none of these things, just promised them. Four years hence, you’ll find yourself in the same miserable condition that you find yourself in now, only far worse. Mark my words, there will be no rivers of milk and honey flowing along the roads. Remember, one who promise everything to everybody, is most dangerous. You should run as far away from him as you can. Obama fooled you and lulled you into believing that if Romney won, he’d kill all women, blacks, Hispanics, drown all immigrants into the pacific and that would be the end of the world. I am baffled that more than half of the population believed this paranoia.

      As regards giving GIFTS, it is nothing more than economic jugglery, which you’ll learn, sadly, when the damage will have been done and from which the recovery will be very difficult, if not impossible. Some events, tragically, take time to prove.

      • A Fox make it all uo news watcher for aure you must bve. Fact is my friend I dont believe ANY politicAN ESPECIALLY republcans because when I fact checked about 12 of the statement fromk FOX make it news I found that ALL the wqere about Obama were BULlsh_T, tHEN FACT CHECKING THE REST SHOWED about half of that they report and say is a bullsh_t story. Most of all when I looked back at what Obama says and what the republicans say he said again I found that they hate him so much they LIE at almost every turn, The debates was a fountain of Mitt Romney telling lie after lie. He lost any chance of my and my families vote when he called me a moocher and lazy. After I worked all my life, my father worked all of his life, my brother still working, I dont think hard working, family raising folks like me are lazy and moochers because after working 55 yearts we take medicare, they were ashamed to take it out of my check every week. Obama did alot less than he could have due to no votes on EVERY SINGLE THING he and DEms tried to do to help us americans. congress (republicans) voted no more than any otyher congress EVER!!! I wonder why6 they hated him so much BEFORE he even took office. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


  77. What concerns me the most is why the Republicans are so pugnacious. I think that if you’re going to learn you can’t only talk to people you always agree with, but I have yet to find a right wing person that I can have a simple conversation with without them resorting immediately to exaggerating and name calling. What’s going on there? I have a policy of not fighting but I enjoy thoughtful discourse.

  78. I don’t understand this article. Mitt Romney is our newly elected President. Why do people think that Obama won? Romney really won the election by a landslide. Don’t believe the lamestream media if they are saying that Obama won. They are wrong.

  79. After I read how George Will was described here—“Persnickety”. I looked it up on Merriam Webster and I posted the following as to what made me look up this word.

    This is how the Washington Post conservative pundit George Will was described by a liberal and how George Will was totally wrong about predicting “Romney landslide” Ouch, ouch, ouch! l

    Here is the quote.

    “Even The Washington Post’s persnickety George Will forecast a Romney landslide. The scholarly pundit opined that even Minnesota would back Mitt. Will reasoned that a marriage amendment would bring out hordes of Michelle Bachmann supporters.”

    By the way Michelle Bachmann, the Tea party airhead (like Sara Palin) barely won her seat in congress by spending 10 times more than her Democratic opponent.

    You got some thinking to do George and you may not be that persnickety.

  80. Oh republicans ! What is wrong with you people ? Why would any person have a desire to force another person to live by their standards or beliefs ? Why do republicans have this desire to not allow another to have an abortion ? Ya I could understand it if its an abortion in the eighth month, Ya thats a little creapy but come to your senses a human is not a human until it has a fully funtioning brain. Does anyone remember being in the womb ? Hell no they dont, why dont they scream about the millions of dogs and cats that are put to death every year, they think and feel, unlike a zygote. Republicans the party of the religious nut cases, any one who believes in crap like noahs ark, walking on water, talking snakes, adam and eve, and all the other fairy tales in some stupid book deserves to be left behind by history. The happiest smartest countries in the world are the least religious ones in the world, thats a fact. Can anyone imagine creationism being taught in a school in finland,or south korea,or germany ? Hell no cause its so very ignorant, most of the world knows it and just laugh at us for coming in 37th in a world student test. We used to be number one, in the past but now we are lagging far behind and its becoming very obvious. I say republicans hey if you lose you religions, and your desires to force others into your beliefs then you may prosper.

    • Tell this to a Muslim and he’ll behead you amid the chant of Allah-u-Akbar. To him you are a blasphemer, the evil, diseased mind over whom Satan has cast his control.

        • Far from it. I am sending you a friendly warning about what you are seemingly heading for under Obama. His foreign policies have been totally directed towards Islamist appeasement and downright empowerment of forces, inimical to American interests. His almost breaking his forehead while genuflecting in front of Saudi King, his “pleading for forgiveness” in his “outreach to Muslims” address in Cairo, deleting the term Islamist terrorism from National Security notes, his support for Muslim brotherhood, are signs that only a blind Obama Cultist follower will not see. And did I tell you what Obama wears in his right hand finger? It is a Gold ring inscribed with the first Muslim commandment, the Shahada, in Arabic, the translation of which is, THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH.

          Good luck to your atheism.

  81. Seems to be that Mitt Romney was a medium chanelling messages from beyond. Everytime he address the voters it was a different idea, message, point a view, whatever you want to call it from an entity out of this world. Hence, nothing made sense to our material world.

    • The problem with Mitt Romney was that he spoke to the Americans as adults, the language, you rightly said and as it has now been proven, Americans did not comprehend. He should’ve done the same “promising” as Obama did. Like promise, housing to entire middle class, KFC or Macs food stamps to all, entire loan waver for all classes, free transportation, free marriage allowance, free entertainment, free space ride, free everything, Romney would have won a landslide. Since he spoke of America as a Nation as against Obama’s “GIFTS” to everybody, he deserved to loose. Admittedly, he is a BAD politician.

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