The voucher is for the premium, not the cost of care. Is this intentionally misleading, or do you think your readers are stupid.
ram…. they are stupid. By definition, if they were not stupid, they would be conservatives.
Have a nice day!
“Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured … but not prove they are a citizen.” – Ben Stein
again your comments are already on ignore just because of the stupid name
The stupidest person to post freqeuntly on this site is you, and you prove it more each time. Insulting ppl who are clearly smarter than you by calling them dumb doesn’t really hit home, yet you act so smug like you are showing ppl up on here. You are like a 4 yr old who argues with adults with no concept of what he is talking about. He just repeats himself over and over again, ignoring logic because his immature brain can’t comprehend, and calling ppl stupid-heads because they won’t let him eat candy for dinner. And since you are so stupid, I have to explain that is a metaphor for you arguing in defense of policies that are clearly detrimental to our well being.
Fathom the idiocy of a man who demands evidence of citizenship, sees the birth certificate, ignores the proof, dismisses it as a fraud (nothing will satisfy him), and continues to repeat the lies. He also insists the sky is pink, the world is flat, and Fox News is fair and balanced!
Ben Stein is an idiot and so are you.
Yeah, it should say his policy limit was hit.
ram1020, truth of the matter some are sheeple. So many are without any form of health care, the cost of care or premium are not something they can cover. It is not misleading, you don’t understand the problem.
Sorry Sidney, the cartoon is about the Medicare vouchers, not Obamacare. The vouchers pay the premium. It is misleading if you do understand the policy.
And now…. the REAL Cartoon of The Day!
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Have a nice day!
“I don’t think your boss should get to control the health care you get. I don’t think insurance companies should control the care that you get. I don’t think politicians should control the care that you get. I think there’s one person to make these decisions on health care and that is you.” – Guess who said it
you might even be smart,, but no one is going to read your ramblings with that stupid name
so you want someone else making your healthcare dicisions for you? aren’t you able? it sounds like you must have some kind of brain problem.
grammy…. I think YOU have a brain problem. How can you advocate government controlled healthcare and then say that YOU want control over your healthcare? How stupid can you be? What do you call the IPAB? Aren’t they controlling your healthcare? Wait until your denied some form of care because you’re too old. Then tell me that you control your own healthcare. pffffft! You are too stupid for words, grammy.
If you actually paid attention you would have noticed that the ACA has gone through and you still have your same insurance. That isn’t going to change although insurance companies use to decide if you could have a treatment or if they would pay for it. My husband had heart surgery a couple years ago and his insurance tried to not pay the bill by saying it wasn’t precertified, even though it was. It really stressed my husband that was to have no stress at all. That can’t happen anymore. They just get to pay the bill.
uhhh… dummy grammy…. Obozocare does not go into effect until next year. Odd how that is AFTER the election, isn’t it?
One other point for all of you leftist freaks living the lie about “if you like your insurance, you can keep it”…. Well, the vast majority of us don’t have any control over our insurance. Employers determine what plans the people will have. And when the employer decides that it’s cheaper to pay an 8% tax than it is to pay for healthcare insurance, guess what he’s going to do? That’s right, get rid of healthcare and force employees onto the government dole. So, if I like my insurance, I don’t get to keep it. You leftist freaks are all so gullible.
PS> I hope that Mr. grammy is doing just fine now… 🙂
Yes, my honey is just fine. And you are right about having insurance through work, but you ought to check this out a little more. My oldest daughter did not have health insurance through her job and couldn’t afford it on her own. She just got insurance through one of the group plans that the insurance companies are to be setting up because of the ACA. Maybe I just live in a more forward state, but that part is already being put in. And I am not a leftist freak. I am a realist. I know you’re all in for R&R, but I have very good reasons to not want them in. I am a Mom and will do what is necessary to protect my children and those two threaten my children. Romney is a war monger and I have a military son. He went to Iraq. He came back physically fine but not my son anymore mentally. He’s not bad enough to keep him home if war comes again, but if he has to go again, I know he won’t come home again. Ryan doesn’t think women should have contriception or abortions. I don’t like abortions myself but do see there might be a need sometimes. Tubal pregnancies can kill, but Ryan thinks a woman hould try to carry that. I have a daughter that was born with a heart problem. Babies are out of the question. But Ryan would take her contriception away. That threaten her life! Before you make some wise crack. She is married. Doctor won’t tie her tubes until she’s 31. R&R would be in office then and that would be banned. .
Grammy… glad to hear your hubby is alright. 🙂
all of this fear mongering and the lies you spread about women and contraception is phony and you know it. NOONE, not Ryan or Romney have ever mentioned anything about contraception, and you know it. It’s a phony issue made up by the Obozo campaign propaganda machine that is designed to trick stupid women into voting for Obozo, and you know it! Don’t tell me that your daughter cannot afford condoms or BC pills. What a bunch of crap. She can get them free from PP, and you know it. You just like this phony issue because of your undying loyalty and support for Obozo. You’d vote for him if he was caught on tape performing lewd acts with children, and you know it. That’s OK. I know where you stand. Just be honest about it and admit that you really are not stupid enough to believe this phony “war on women” narrative of the Obozo campaign.
“Blaming a filmmaker for radical islamic violence is like blaming forks for obesity” – ObozoMustGo
I don’t know if you get it, but I get the House and the Senate live on tv. All that I said, I watched Ryan trying to get them passed. By the way, they did pass the house. My daughter does take contriception, but one of Ryan’s bills is to stop women from having any type of contriception. In fact that bill would make it a case of murder if a woman had an IUD. So, no my fear is very real cause I watched the man himself say the words. He even said, and I quote “The life of the woman clause is big enough to drive a mack truck through and needs to be closed.” I understand he’s pro birth but not pro life. His own religion has said his policy is not moral and didn’t learn it from them. And I say noy prolife because he wants all pregnancies to produce a baby no matter what, but also wants to cut any program that might be needed to keep that baby alive and healthy. Can you imagine if you had a teenage daughter. She goes to a party with friends, gets roofied and raped. Now because of HR3, that isn’t really a rape, but your teen is pregnant. She has to have that baby and look into her rapists eyes the rest of her life. And since it wasn’t really rape, no justice either. Are you going to be happy to have the man that raped your baby girl over to the house for visitation? And what if that pregnancy turns out to be a tubal pregnancy. Are you prepared to watch your girl die screaming in pain because the law has been changed and the doctor can no longer do anything except give her something for pain. If Ryan were truly prolife, he would care more for my 28 year old baby than for a maybe baby. And no I am not pro abortion, but I see where it might be necessary.
grammy… you know you are making that up to perpetuate the lies. And you know your daughter can go get free condoms and pills and screw any swinging you know what she likes. I always laugh at you leftist nutjobs that try to justify your beliefs with the most wacky and improbable situations you can make up. No one is trying to keep your daughter from getting condoms or pills. And you know it. Stop lying.
Have a nice day, grammy!
I refuse to let you beat me with your stupidity. I know what I watched on tv. You don’t want to believe it, fine don’t. But if that a..hole gets in and puts this stuff through, I expect an apology.
I promise grammy… I will personally call you to apologize the day that contraceptives are made illegal. 🙂 You’re a good sport grammy. I like you! [smile and wink]
Have a great day!
“Blaming a filmmaker for radical islamic violence is like blaming forks for obesity” – ObozoMustGo
You’re a piece of $hit, you don’t come on here to make points, you just try to discourage other ppl from voicing their opinions by insulting them. There is no point in anyone arguing with you. You don’t care about this country, health care, or free market capitalism, you are just a paid mouthpiece for facists, just like Hannity and Limbaugh. Have a Nice Day!
alpha… you must be a snot-nosed little college puke that has no friggin idea what you are talking about. Because you apparently have no idea what a fascist is, I’ll give you a little lesson here with a reposting of a prior post I did on explaining the forms of government. Read and learn and then you will have less chance of making yourself look stupid in a public forum. No need to thank me. I am here to help.
You need to revisit your political history fact book. You have been misled as all leftist freaks, nutjobs and useful idiots have been misled. All the way to the right is no government at all, called anarchy. All the way to the left is 100% government, complete government control, called communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism, etc. Pure democracy is to the left of republican government which is the left of anarchy. This is what we have and on that continuum between far left and far right, republicanism is squarely center right.
The 5 basic forms of government from leftism to right wing on the politcal continuum are:
1) Monarchy – rule by one – only in appearance because no one can rule by themselves truly, they have their bureaucrats and cabinets etc. etc.
2) Oligarchy – rule by a few – tyranny of the elite – communism, socialism, Nazism, fascism all find their home here.
3) Democracy – rule by majority – these never survive, they devolve to anarchy and then oligarchy
4) Republic – rule by law – what we have, or are supposed to have.
5) Anarchy – rule by no one. No government.
So you see, when you look at this objectively, you realize that Nazism IS, in all facts, actually HIGHLY correlated with socialism and communism. And your attempts to convince people that the word “socialism” in the Nazi acronym is just there by accident or doesn’t really mean what it means is nothing more than a perpetuation of lies and complete ignorance of the very facts that slap you in the face because they are quite simply self-evident. You should try not to remain so ignorant. Words mean what they mean. Nazi equals National Socialist. DemocRATS in America are home to socialists.
Nazi = socialists = DemocRATS
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
— Winston Churchill
Ridicule me for being a college graduate, that’s really hitting me where it hurts! You cannot engage in civil discourse without insults and slander, so why would anyone take you seriously? You lack any credibility to be lecturing anyone when the best you can do is puke up retorts from a steaming pile of Jonah Goldberg nonsense. Copying and pasting right-wing propaganda doesn’t make you creative or enlightened, it makes you a hack. You actually save the stuff you post on here so you can repost it later? Man get a life. And you think I’m the one making myself look stupid on a public forum? Your whole pre-packaged argument is irrelevant: Whether fascism is at the right or the left of the political spectrum has nothing to do with my application of the word, and anyway it really depends on how the political spectrum in question is defined (there are many theories and systems of classification out there). Your source chose to define the spectrum ranging from complete government control to complete lack of government. By that definition then, Republicans are advocating economic anarchy (absolutely no government regulation), so would you prefer I amend my prior comment to change fascist to anarchist? Fascism is not simply about totalitarian government control, but also about extreme ideology and the tactics used to obtain and maintain that control. Despite what your indoctrinators would have you believe, extremism can exist among conservatives and liberals alike, at both ends of the ideological spectrum (different from the government spectrum you outlined; there is also an economic spectrum with communism and capitalism at opposite ends, which is worth mentioning). Some common traits Fox and Friends (including you) share with fascists include resorting to propaganda and indoctrination, repeating big lies over and over until people believe they are true, labeling anyone opposed to your views as unpatritotic (or socialist, one of your faves!), appealing to racism to divide the population, voter suppression, insinuating violence against political opponents (the idea that there will be a civil war if President Obama is re-elected), contempt for education (makes the population less susceptible to propaganda). No, the fascist label fits on you just fine, I’m gonna stick with it Bozo.
If you are dumb enough to argue that the Nazis were pure socialists just because they called themselves that, then maybe you are also dumb enough to believe that the Democratic Republic of North Korea is actually a democratic republic rather than a communist nation. Misleading labels are part of the propaganda, which is meant to misrepresent and obfuscate reality, kinda like you and Mitt do! You should try not to remain so ignorant. Then you contradict your own political spectrum which differentiates between socialism and Nazism and democracy, concluding your post equating Nazis, socialists, and democrats. That makes you look really stupid on a public forum.
It is a wonder how you can be so smug and arrogant when you bring nothing to the table. Whatsoever. You wannabe Fox News contributor, is this your way of auditioning for a job as minister of propaganda, or are you already being paid to do this crap? By the amount of Bozo posts and their content, you are either a professional blogger or have no personal life.
By the way, if President Obama had anything in common with the other two guys in that little cartoon you posted, you would be in a prison camp for expressing your opinions. The fact that you are still free to post disparaging comments on a political forum, getting your kicks insulting people who disagree with your extreme fanatical beliefs just goes to show you are way over board in making that comparison. Your tactic is to create a straw man to attack, a fictional socialist Obama, where you misrepresent his actual positions and attack those figments instead of debating the merits of his actual proposals. You resort to such underhanded tactics because in a straight up debate with truth and facts, your side doesn’t stand a chance.
Nazis = facists
“When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”
alpha… a couple of points…
1) I don’t save my posts, Disqus does. Click on your icon and then activity. It’s all there.
2) You have no idea what you’re talking about re: the political spectrum. It goes from complete government control on the left to no government on the right. There is no other logical way to look at it. DemonRATS like more government control by bigger government, and Constitutional conservatives (not all Republicans by the way) like more individual liberty and freedom with limited, smaller government. No one I know except your buddies at the Occupy movement want anarchy. Look at the anarchy signs and that silly mask they wear. They support Obozo and overthrow of capitalism. This is true and just the way that it is.
3) Fascism IS NOT about extreme ideology at all. You are wrong again. Fascism IS about the appearance of freedom with de facto government control over the factors of production. Clearly, DemoncRATS want more government control over industry. And Obozo is much closer to a fascist than you are willing to admit. Takeover of the Auto Industry. Takeover of healthcare. Takeover of student loans. Takeover of energy through a rogue EPA where he can’t get legislation passed. Takeover of the banking industry through oppressive regulation and bailouts like loans from a mobster. This is government control. This is Obozo’s fundamental transformation. There is no argument about this. Clearly, Obozo has lot’s in common with the other 2 men, save the murder of millions. Government cannot control the economy without controlling people. More control is a progressive DemonRAT and progressive Republican goal, not a Constitutional conservative goal.
4) You may ask why I call you stupid? Well, why is someone from New York called a “New Yorker” by others? Because it is what it is. It’s just truth. You are what you are.
“By rendering the labor of one, the property of the other, they cherish pride, luxury, and vanity on one side; on the other, vice and servility, or hatred and revolt.” – James Madison
A delusional extremist blogger with no life and half a brain calling me stupid really breaks my heart. Sorry fascist, but intellect is not an area where I have ever lacked confidence considering my class rankings, test scores (top 99 percentile), engineering degree, and successful career. I know where I stand in relation to my peers, and that is considerably higher than you when it comes to critical thinking skills. But I know the insults are just your way of trying to bully people on the internet and discourage them from voicing their opinions on this forum, from the safety of that computer chair in your mom’s basement. Throwing around insults doesn’t make you right. You know what else doesn’t make you right? Anything you stated above. There are plenty of other political theories out there, other logical ways to classify governments, and if you’d get your head out of Jonah’s ass and your lips off his cheeks, you might see that. I already provided you a few examples of different politcal spectra types, and a quick google search will enlighten you to the existence of many more. The fact that you can’t understand complex ideas or overlapping traits among different forms of government doesn’t make the ideas illogical. It just makes you mentally challenged. Which everyone who reads your comments already knows, so no point in stating the obvious. None of those “takeovers” you mentioned above are real. There you go lying again. Intervention is not the same as a complete takeover. The auto industry is still privately run and doing very well (not bankrupt as Mitt would have it); health insurance companies are still going to be the service providers rather than a public option or an expansion of Medicare (mandated insurance originally a Republican idea by the way, which you know full well); oil, natural gas, and even coal companies are still in control of their businesses, with oil companies continuing to make record profits in the Obama economy; and the most laughable of all your claims, despite all those “oppressive” bailouts that none of the banks needed or wanted or begged for (yeah right), Wall Street is still in control and under-regulated (you clearly prefer no regulation of banks whatsoever: economic anarchy). You are either severely delusional or a compulsive liar. Extreme ideology is clearly a major component of fascism (and a major component of your positions). You expect anyone to agree that the Nazis or the Italian fascists didn’t have some very extreme ideology? Oh thats right, you are still hung up on that stupid idea that socialism and fascism are the same because you can’t make intelligent distinctions between forms of government (it just doesn’t make sense to you, so it must be illogical, even though it is widely accepted among poltical scientists). Do yourself a favor and take a few political science classes (not that you could understand them anyway, but give it a shot Corky!). I’m not gonna keep arguing with some arrogant moron who is really just recycling easily refutable propaganda and lies he stole from Faux News.
“If the American people ever allow the banks to control issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers occupied.” -Thomas Jefferson
Don’t bother arguing with Blowzo, he gets off on it and it only encourages him. He is a piece of $hit who doesn’t come on here to discuss politics, just to discourage other ppl from voicing their opinions by insulting them. There is no point in anyone arguing with him. He doesn’t care about this country, democracy, health care, or free market capitalism, he is just a paid mouthpiece for facists, just like Hannity and Limbaugh. His comeback to everything is not to address the valid points that are made against his misinformation, but just to call people stupid and incite more anger from the left because he gets a rise out of it. His whole purpose coming on this site and posting is to take up discussion space and distract the conversation from valid points and intelligent discussion. For all we know he is Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck, getting off on his free time by pissing of lefties and femi-nazis, as he would call typical readers of the National Memo.
Yea, I know. I just like to piss him off with logic.
Perhaps it should read “he’s hit the policy limitations that the insurance compant imposed on his voucher paid for insurance.” But that’s a bit wordy, doncha think?”
company — delete” after “?” My bad typing
That is perfectly clear to me. When your voucher runs out (I estimate that you shall be lucky if your vouchers will allow your insurance to live past June), your medical insurance is no longer alive, and you are out of luck. No, I do not have Social Security nor Medicare but I have group health through a former employer and I am sick of seeing all the medical prices and our taxes being jacked up to pay for health care for those who do NOT have insurance.
How many people will die if the voucher program is put into policy in the Medicare Program?
The high cost of coverage will put many out of insurance, because the voucher will not be enough. There is only one answer national health care!
The rich could care less–they have adequate coverage for their families.
obozo…you must go!! Still quoting or misquoting other sources other than thinking (and writing) for your self. You have got to be a product of southern schools that never taught you how to think (or write), or you skipped school all the time. “By definition”, whose definition? The kkk bible? Or maybe you are one of those fun dumb a mentalists who have “other” sources from whence you gain your “info” (misinformation). Man, get an original thought and try to write something original and coherent. But that requires a grasp, an understanding, of politics in this country, and a grasp of what is right and wrong, and it is obvious that you have neither
NO VOUCHER—NO CARE!