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Thursday, October 27, 2016

The recent measles outbreak that has stricken more than 100 people in 14 states over the past month has thrust vaccination into the news. Measles was virtually eradicated in the U.S. 15 years ago, but the highly infectious disease has made a rapid comeback with the help of a growing number of parents who refuse to vaccinate their children.

To be clear, that is a dangerous, horrible idea. The widespread fear that vaccines can cause autism has been thoroughly debunked, as have the rest of the common arguments against vaccination. Refusing to vaccinate children puts them and their entire communities at risk.

Unfortunately, several prominent Republicans haven’t gotten this message

On Monday morning, New Jersey governor Chris Christie weighed in on the controversy — and appeared to side with those peddling junk science.

“Mary Pat and I have had our children vaccinated and we think that it’s an important part of being sure we protect their health and the public health,” Christie told reporters in Cambridge, England, where he is on a trade mission. “I also understand that parents need to have some measure of choice in things as well, so that’s the balance that the government has to decide.”

Christie’s comments quickly sparked bipartisan outrage.

“Vaccination is one of the most consequential scientific and medical advances in the history of mankind,” Republican strategist Rick Wilson tweeted. “I’m as libertarian as it comes, but the social contract includes not letting your kids die of preventable diseases or spread them to others.”

“Chris Christie isn’t a scientist. He isn’t a doctor. And he sure as heck isn’t a leader. If his campaign is going to be about kissing up to the radical, conspiracy theory base that’s wagging the dog of today’s Republican Party, that’s up to him and his cracker-jack team,” Democratic National Committee communications director Mo Elleithee said in a blistering statement. “He ought to take his own advice – sit down and shut up, before people actually get hurt.”

It didn’t take long for the heat to get to Christie; later Monday morning, he walked back his comments through a spokesman.

“The governor believes vaccines are an important public health protection and with a disease like measles there is no question kids should be vaccinated,” the governor’s office said in a statement. “At the same time different states require different degrees of vaccination, which is why he was calling for balance in which ones government should mandate.”

But even if Christie is no longer seeking “balance” in the debate, vaccine trutherism still has a home in the presidential campaign. During a Monday morning appearance on Laura Ingraham’s radio show, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) — a self-certified ophthalmologist — picked up Christie’s discarded argument.

“I’m not anti-vaccine at all,” he told Ingraham, “but most of them ought to be voluntary.”

And it doesn’t stop there. Former Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina isn’t likely to win the presidential election, but she is likely to run — and she also thinks that parents should be allowed to withhold vaccines from their children.

“I think vaccinating for measles makes a lot of sense. But that’s me,” she told BuzzFeed News a week ago. “I do think parents have to make those choices.”

Perhaps this outbreak of trutherism should not be surprising. After all, the Republican Party has been frighteningly clear about its institutional hostility towards science. And there is a precedent for anti-vaccine hysteria in presidential campaigns. But it’s still startling to see those who want to lead the nation peddling dangerous conspiracy theories.

And it’s not limited to vaccines. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) believes that the United Nations wants to take over American golf courses. Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee thinks that President Obama was secretly raised in Kenya. Dr. Ben Carson fears that the Affordable Care Act is a slavery plot. For the GOP’s 2016 presidential hopefuls, pandering to the fringe is a feature, not a bug.

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  • plc97477

    OMG it is going to be a very funny primary season.

    • Sand_Cat

      So long as whatever idiot they select doesn’t win the presidency.

      • joe schmo

        LOL,…. We shall see……. We may surprise you just before the primaries…….

  • fortunev

    The clown car is shifting into high gear. Yippee! Hold on, folks!!

  • Insinnergy


  • rorybellows

    As much as I love watching Christie and Paul catch grief, and this message to get out there, this anti-vaxxer stuff is probably more prevalent on the left or at least equal. I think Obama and Hillary got the message on this round of vaccines in the media cycle, but in previous ones they were pandering to the Whole Foods vote (or what they perceived it to be) with a similar message as Christie’s. Christie and Paul did take it one step further with the ‘heard autism stories’ thing though.

    Anyhoo, get your kids vaccinated.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      No…It is most prevalent among the midwestern and southern McParents who home school their kids.

      The reality is that these vaccinations protect children. Suddenly, after 6 or more decades they are sooooo harmful? Isn’t this the same bunch of who hahs who think no one should ever dare and eat peanut butter, soda pop, candy or ice cream?

      What next? Tell us which toilet paper we can purchase? So long as a red state is manufacturing it, that it?

  • FT66

    What I know it is a crime for any parent knowingly refuse to let their kids get vaccinated, send them to school and catch the disease there or infect others. Are the parents ready to answer for such crimes committed?

  • Dominick Vila

    Don’t under estimate Jeb Bush’s candidacy. The only similarity between him and W is their surname. If nominated, he will give Hillary a run for her money. The only thing that may derail his candidacy is his Mexican-American wife and children. The prospect of a Mexican-American First Lady is likely to result in mass cardiac arrests among the GOP base.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      Dominick…Actually, The most prevalent similarity between ALL Bush men is “bankruptcy.” GWB’s Arbusto Oil, the TX sports team and the US economy. Neil Bush’s S&L Silverado Savings and Loan collapse his daddy bailed him out of and Neil and JEB’s bankruptcy of the Miami Federal in the early 2000’s.

      Hillary has no competition for one reason. What other DEM candidate has been so openly, publicly, militantly, vehemently crucified like Hillary by the GOP? If you think the Tea Haters, righties and GOP bulls and cows are done with this president, watch what they try to do to ANY woman who dares walk one step ahead of them in the race to the White House.

      Men who cannot mentally process female authority need to go back into their Neanderthal caves and stay there.

      And, lest anyone think differently, this country is divided by culture wars. There’s an attempt by the midwestern and southern dimwits to have everyone in the country live as they do in their so-called “culture.” No one up north buys that phony swaggering and drawling and “ignernce.” Least of all me.

      • Dominick Vila

        I believe the sports team that W almost wiped out was the Rangers. Yes, Jeb’s and Neill’s records in private enterprise are dismal, but most Floridians have a very positive impression of Jeb’s intellect and leadership when he was Governor of this state. My main peeve is his role in the embarrassing Third World pregnant chads episode.
        Attacks against President Obama will fade away towards the end of this year, when all the attention and energies are devoted to derail HRC’s candidacy. I agree with you, they are going to me down on her like a ton of bricks. In addition to the eternal Benghazi, the GOP will resurrect all the White Water claims, Bill’s infidelity, the premature death of friends, and just about anything they can dig to make sure we don’t have a female President…especially a Democratic female President and one that is not scared to fight back.
        Unfortunately, I don’t think her coattails will be enough to give us control of Congress. We may have a chance in the Senate (I doubt it), but the House will remain in GOP hands for many years to come. Not because the GOP deserves it, but because the Confederacy and the Bible Belt will make sure they control the pursue and, by default, the preservation of their “values”.

        • Paul Bass

          Do you think the former husband of Terri Schiavo will vote for Jeb?
          Remember he (the governor at the time) inserted himself (and his religious beliefs) into this very painful “end of life” decision of a brain dead woman?
          So it is OK for the governor to make the decision for this man?
          For this reason alone Jeb should NEVER be allowed to become president!

          • Dominick Vila

            I live in Central Florida, and I can assure that most Republicans in this state, and some Democrats, will vote for Jeb without hesitation. Issues such as the one you mentioned only become relevant when a Democrat is involved. The same goes for amnesty. Do you remember what Republicans said when Reagan granted amnesty to 4 million illegal immigrants in 1986? “Let Reagan be Reagan”.
            The best thing we can do is to make an attempt to distinguish between Republican rhetoric and the realities of their record.

          • Paul Bass

            I’m pretty sure Mr. Schiavo wishes a Democrat had been involved!
            I don’t disagree with you Dom, just pointing out peoples short attention span…

          • latebloomingrandma

            Ah yes, the eternally teflon, mythical Saint Reagan!

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Dominick …I so agree. In essence, what I now recall most vividly having been a Republican for 33 years until Bush turned me off, is their penchant for using PR to their advantage.

          It’s no coincidence that during Bush’s 2000 election, the GOP deliberately created the red state/blue state maps to make sure Americans saw the larger number of states they claimed were bloody “red.” The reality is that more than a half dozen they claimed were red weren’t. MN, PA and ME to name three. Immediately, they had their PR aces flooding the media with this distortion of truth so Bush would win. The facts are that Gore, not Bush, won the popular vote. But, no card carrying GOP bull would EVER admit to this day that huge fact.

          The stupidity of the Confederacy and Bible Belt is this: No one up north plans to learn how to drawl, swagger, drive harvesters, learn how to cultivate GMO food, dig pipelines, refine oil, run guns and work with nothing to show for our efforts.

          This they do in these eternal plantation states. This is ALL these lunatics know. They’d love nothing more than to ram their so-called “morals” and “family values” down our throats…until you dig into their “morals” like those of GWB, Cheney, Rand Paul, Tom DeLay and Gingrich. Until you see what they really mean by “family values” …men with wives and children, a mistress with an illegitimate child or arm candy to show off like Charles Koch with his teeny bopper wife, Cheney and McConnell with their Wall Street billionaire wives.

          No one of us can afford the luxury today of allowing these world class phonies to get one over on us. Elsewise, don your spats, chaps, spurs, cowboy boots and hat. Untether your horses and ride ’em high in your saddle…learn how to y’all all and “betcha” because this is what they call “culture.”

      • whodatbob

        Eleanor, why must you always be reminded 5 of the last 6 Democratic Presidents were either Southerners or Midwestern, Give’em Hell Harry, LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Only JFK was not. Also, Hillary born and raised in the Midwest married a Southern boy. Seems the South and Midwest has produced more Democratic leaders than your beloved Northeast. Hillary will make it 6 out of seven.

        Maybe the northeast is where the dimwits are to be found.

        • AKLady

          Obama is a Hawaiian. It is the westernmost U.S. state.

          • whodatbob

            I’ll give you that one. But his mama was a Kansan and he was raised at times by his Kansan grandparents.

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          Bobby my man…I don’t need reminding of who in his 8th year of his GOP presidency crashed the US economy. I don’t need to be reminded that Republican President Warren Harding’s Secy of the Interior tried selling federal land to oil interests dirt cheap and got thrown in jail.

          The only sensible midwestern GOP president was Eisenhower and only because he was a decorated WWII hero.

          Hoover? The Great Depression. Nixon? WaterGate. Reagan? 2nd term Recession and lies about Iran hostages Jimmy Carter was responsible for. Bush ’41 IranContraGate and bailing out his own son’s Silverado S&L using our tax dollars. Bush’ 43….the phoniest of GOP phonies to come down the pike. He never was president. Men like you are too politically naive to see how you were duped into getting President Cheney when you thought you got Bush.

          Do try again hot shot. You are owe for 100.

          • whodatbob

            Thanks for the reminder. We were discussing Democrats so I did not include Republican asshats!
            Since you brought it up Mitt Romney was Gov. of Mass. My point no section of the nation has a corner on intelligence nor ignorance. Your bias of superiority over mid westerners and southerners is as wrong as southerners bias of superiority over blacks. It is unbecoming of a well bread well educated lady as you are.

            Keep up the good fight!

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Wrong again…Where are the top US Ivy League schools located and have been since the Founding Fathers? Harvard? Yale? MIT, Princeton? …There are NO southerner or midwestern universities with the lengthy legacy of these Early American universities. This proves that the colonials unlike men of the right and other asshats, valued the highest quality education. And, how many of the southern and midwestern universities are not named for their religions? How many are and adhere to southern baptist or methodist religious beliefs?

            I am biased of midwesterners and southerners who whine and complain and then dump their austerity on the rest of us. This isn’t the Dust Bowl 1930s or the Pre-Civil War era. These are states that are culturally retarded.

          • whodatbob

            Once again you are off subject. You have not addressed the fact that since 1945 except for JFK all Democratic Presidents were either Southerners or Mid-westerners.

            We all agree the top Ivy League schools. If memory serves me some were started as religious institutions. Guess you are opposed to those for the same reason you are to the those in the south. Oh, how about Busch I, Busch II, and JEB they are Ivy league educated. Guess you a big supporter of all three.

    • FT66

      Dominick, are you buying Jeb’s narrative that one has to lose the primaries first in order to win the General Election? This formular never exist anywhere. The man is quite wrong. He can’ even show up at the GOP Convention if he can’t win primaries. The climb is quite steep for him to reach there according to what I hear from GOP Radio Owners.

      • Dominick Vila

        Jeb Bush is wrong on many issues, the latest is his opposition to a rapprochement with Cuba. I am not endorsing him, and I definitely don’t plan to vote for him, I am simply highlighting things that, I believe, will make his candidacy very appealing to most Republicans and, sadly, to many Latinos.

        • FT66

          I have used a lot of my time to study conservatives. They are not easy going people. They are always ready to sacrifice everything for the sake of their beliefs. They always listen to those they trust like Rush Limbaugh. Tell me, you pull out 20 million of his listeners, how can Jeb win the primaries?

          • Dominick Vila

            Rush highlights what his listeners want to hear, and he hides what his listeners prefer to ignore. The same goes for most GOP political strategists. If Jeb is nominated, you can bet the illegal immigration problem will fade away, unless it can be used to attract Latino votes.

          • FT66

            Who will nominate Jeb while they are the same people he will ask for their votes at the same time, who are deeply against illegal immigration? Jeb Bush is in big trouble than you think Dominick!

          • Dominick Vila

            The biggest threat to Jeb’s nomination involves the most radical base of the Republican party. Jeb is perceived as an establishment Republican, which he is. His nomination will, inevitably, elicit a major battle between the GOP establishment and the Tea Party. If that was not enough, the fact that he is married to a Mexican-American is likely to drive the GOP base nuts.

          • Independent1

            Did you see this from Salon?

            Jeb Bush is already toast in Iowa: Poll

            Jeb Bush has some work to do in Iowa.

            The former Florida governor, and the 2016 favorite of the GOP’s establishment and Wall Street class, is struggling in a new poll, with favorability and unfavorability numbers roughly even.

            There’s also a surprising front-runner on the move. That’s Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker, riding a wave of energy off a well-received speech last weekend at a “freedom” conference sponsored by Rep. Steve King.

            And there’s bad news for Chris Christie below, who has the highest negatives of any Republican in the poll.

            Scott Walker: 15 percent
            Rand Paul: 14 percent
            Mitt Romney: 13 percent
            Mike Huckabee: 10 percent
            Ben Carson: 9 percent
            Jeb Bush: 8 percent
            Ted Cruz: 5 percent
            Rick Santorum: 4 percent
            Chris Christie: 4 percent
            Marco Rubio: 3 percent
            Rick Perry: 3 percent
            Bobby Jindal: 2 percent
            Carly Fiorina: 1 percent
            John Kasich: 1 percent:
            Donald Trump: 1 percent

            The poll was taken before Romney decided not to be a candidate in 2016. But when Romney’s supporters were allocated to their second choice, it did not give Bush a bounce. Walker, Paul, Huckabee and Carson remained the top four, while Jeb moved up from 8 percent to 9 percent.

          • Dominick Vila

            Looks like the Tea Party and bread wrappings are in full control of Iowa…

          • Independent1

            If Jeb runs, he has a lot of negatives in his past in addition to being a terrible student while in college and not only doing drugs but teaching other kids how to do them.

            And should he run, we may hear a lot from Michael Schiavo as to just how obsessed and vindictive a person Jeb Bush really is. See this from Politico via BNR (some excerpts):

            Jeb Bush is a ‘Vindictive Coward’ Who Made This Man’s Life a ‘Living Hell’

            According to Politico, Schiavo described Bush as a “vindictive, untrustworthy coward” for the years of “hell” Bush forced him to live through after Bush intervened in a matter that had been decided by the courts and should have stayed there.

            After the Florida Supreme Court unanimously ruled “Terri’s Law” unconstitutional, Bush once again used his office and took the case to the United States Supreme Court, but they refused to review it. Bush then went to his brother George Bush, the President of the United States, and the United States Congress, but Schiavo’s tube had been removed once again and 15 years after her collapse, she’d been allowed to pass before any further intervention from Bush could take place.

            Bush made Michael Schiavo’s life a “living hell” during those years Michael fought to let the withered shell that was once Terri die peacefully, and Bush didn’t stop after Terri’s death. Once the autopsy confirmed the doctors’ testimony concerning her prognosis, Bush tried to to save face by suggesting Schiavo’s collapse may have been due to some wrongdoing by her husband. But there were no signs of criminal activity.

            Bush’s true nature is being a hard-core conservative, an image he toned-down a little in order to win the governorship in Florida, but he has shown that he will do anything to win, that he’s vindictive, and that he feels his activism trumps the court’s.


          • AKLady

            We have not removed from the last Bush idiot in the White House. America is not interested in a Presidential Dynasty.

  • Janet Burto

    It is ironic that parents have the right to choose whether or not to vaccinate their children, something that puts everyone at risk should they choose not to. But the government sticks their nose into the personal medical decisions that women should be able to make

    • latebloomingrandma

      Yes—I almost choked listening to Rand Paul say that the state doesn’t own your children. It appears they only “own” them before they’re born. When they are firmly ensconced in a woman’s intimate body part. Go figure.

    • SibyllasStuff

      Parents are given the responsibility to take care of their offspring. Putting the mix of stuff that is included in some vaccines into the body/bloodstream of a brand new baby is somewhat insulting. Is there something wrong with this new life??? that the medical/pharmaceutical (profits$$$$$$$$) continue to mandate more and more vaccines?
      Make up your mind. Don’t demonize both the parents who choose not to disturb their child’s perfectly good immune system with a toxic mix of preservatives-thimerisol, an adjuvent – aluminum salts to kick the immune system to react to the – dead virus and oh yes water.
      And then kvetch about the government sticking their nose into people’s decision. Please take some time to learn what junk is in vaccines and whether or not you really want to inject yourself or a loved one with the stuff. And learn some of the history of vaccines.

      • Paul Bass

        YOu are mostly correct but thimerosal has been removed from all childhood vaccines since ~ 1999. (1997 law banned it in the US, but gave manufacturers 2 years to remove).

        This preservative is still used in some African vaccines due to refrigeration problems in maintaining the viability of the vaccines.


        “Thimerosal contains a different form of mercury called ethylmercury. Studies comparing ethylmercury and methylmercury suggest that they are processed differently in the human body. Ethylmercury is broken down and excreted much more rapidly than methylmercury. Therefore, ethylmercury (the type of mercury in the influenza vaccine) is much less likely than methylmercury (the type of mercury in the environment) to accumulate in the body and cause harm.”

        • SibyllasStuff

          So why would I want to inject anything, be it thimerosal, dead virus, aluminum salts etc. etc. etc., or any other thing into my body/bloodstream or especially the body of a newborn baby. That it is excreted – and where does that junk go? In the water supply?? This whole pharmaceutical and vaccination stuff does not make sense (though I am sure it is very profitable) – unless you adhere to the herd immunity thought and hold it near and dear that you follow someone’s “guidelines” to inject toxins into your body and mandate that everyone else go along with the rest of the sheep. If I remember correctly ethyl was the additive to gasoline to stop the knocking in engines. That was banned a long time ago

          • johninPCFL

            Vaccinations aren’t given to newborns.

          • SibyllasStuff

            Oh yes they are.

          • Paul Bass

            Vaccinations in the US are generally given after 6 months of age.

          • SibyllasStuff

            Why are they given at all? Especially when there are some possible side effects and risks?

          • johninPCFL

            Because the possible side effects and risks are not contracting a deadly disease. These are usually regarded as positive outlooks.

          • SibyllasStuff


            I don’t know if you can make this link connection, but using the CDC statistics and other reports about ill effects of some vaccines and even by admission by the pharmaceutical companies that they aren’t even as effective as people would like them to be, I think there is reason some parents and other people choose not to vaccinate. Having vaccinations be mandated by the state or the federal government and the demonizing of people who do not vaccinate because they have concerns about the health risks to themselves and their children is devisive and that is where the media likes to meddle.

          • AKLady

            Fake science is a wonder to behold.

            Real science is supported by evidence.

            Smallpox has been eradicated. Do you know how that happened? Mandatory vaccination.

            Just about everyone over 40 has a scar on their left arm, up by the shoulder. That scar is from a smallpox vaccination.

            The only smallpox viruses left in the world, exist in Class V laboratories.

          • Paul Bass

            Measles is a good example.
            Hundreds used to die, and thousands were disabled (blindness, muscle control problems, etc.) every year in America from measles.
            Since the MMR vaccine (Measles, Mumps, Rubella) in the mid 60s Measles went from over 600,000 cases a year to zero! (until this year).
            In 2012, 4 infants in Nepal MAY have died due to a MMR vaccine, but that was later proved to be a bad “batch” of vaccine made in India.

          • Wedge Shot

            There are possible side effects to just getting out of bed in the morning. Many people are hurt and some die from just doing that.
            The difference is that dying getting out of bed does not put your neighbor or his children at risk.
            The US population is supposed to be a educated society where we conduct ourselves in a manner that helps each and everyone of us to prosper and survive. It is called civilization. When you disregard the health and well being of your neighbor, eventually, he will do the same to you.
            I can not understand why science is being made an enemy and ignorance is thought to be something good. If you are ignorant on a subject do some research and get educated and then express your opinion noting that you are not an expert but are just expressing an opinion.

          • SibyllasStuff


            This is from the CDC website. I am not just expressing my opinion – washing hands, covering a cough and staying home when you are sick might be more preventative than getting a shot that is not even 90% effective like this year’s annual flu strain. It says that thimerosal is still used in some vaccines Science is only as good as how it is done. Bring the politics and money into it and it can become skewed.

          • AKLady

            That is exactly the point — flu “strain”.
            There are many viruses that cause flu-type illnesses. It is simply not possible to protect against all of them, 100% of the time.

          • AKLady

            Because the illness that they protect against is far more dangerous. Those illness can cause severe disability, even death.

          • johninPCFL

            Unless your birthing process lasts half-a-year with the birth date fixed at the start of labor, newborns are not vaccinated.

          • Carolyn1520

            Which ones?

          • Paul Bass

            As I said, Thimerosal is NOT in US vaccines, and hasn’t been for many years.
            Yes ethyl-lead was banned decades ago from gasoline.
            Ethyl is a chemical term for a -C2H5 (2 carbon and 5 hydrogen) bit of a molecule. Many molecules have a ethyl extension.

          • AKLady

            Ethyl Corporation is the name of a fuel additive company — not the additive. The fuel additive to which you are referring was tetraethyllead. In 2004, Ethyl Corporation changed its name to NewMarket Corporation.

            The dangerous chemical to which you speak is essentially LEAD.

        • awakenaustin

          Stop! This is your next to last warning.
          Stop making sense.

          • Paul Bass

            🙂 thanks!

            My son is autistic. You can’t believe the amount of “bad” science being presented to this community.

      • johninPCFL

        If their immune system is so good, why do children contract measles? Do you have the right to kill your neighbor’s child so that yours may contract measles at your whim?

        • SibyllasStuff

          Oh give me a break. You don’t need to get your undies in a bundle because the media is reporting about an outbreak of measles in California or any other place. There are way too many vaccines out there promoted by pharmaceutical companies and their paid spokespersons and politicians with an agenda and mandated by schools and work places in order to “protect” us all. Has anything been shown where the measles started? was it from someone who was vaccinated and was shedding the virus?

          • johninPCFL

            I gave you a break by reading your comment. If you bother to read some of the early history of this country, you’ll find that the native populations were nearly eradicated by one single disease – measles. When newborns are infected they mostly die. When the population is rife with measles, newborns are more likely to become infected.
            Since vaccines are constructed using killed virus to pre-charge the immune system, it is really not possible for an immunization to produce the disease.

          • AKLady

            Ignorance has become epidemic in America.
            Selfishness has become epidemic in America.

      • Wedge Shot

        You’re a fool. I know that calling people names is not right but I am not calling you a name I am pointing out what you are.

      • AKLady

        “Brand new” babies are not vaccinated.
        Vaccines have been in use for over 50 years.

  • The lucky one

    ““Chris Christie isn’t a scientist. He isn’t a doctor.” True enough, but neither is the author or the lady quoted. Not all vaccines are equal. None offer total immunity, some are safer than others and some are well worth any small risk of harm for the high degree of protection they confer for a serious disease. The measles vaccine may be one of better ones. The problem is that the medical industry has become so dominated by the profit motive and led by the pharmaceutical companies that it’s difficult to believe what they say about anything, vaccines included. The flu vaccine is a case in point. Even it’s rabid promoters admit this year is at best 23% effective but not too worry because they can also sell you highly toxic drugs like Tamiflu that will possibly shorten your disease by a little over a day (whoopee).
    People must due their own due diligence and investigate the truth of any statement coming from any corporate dominated entity including medicine. The Cochrane Databases are a good place to start. I’m not one of the “whole-food” people but I do take responsibility for my own health and that includes making my own decisions as to what to put in my body. I realize that it takes time to weed out the medical propaganda from the best medical advice but that’s true of any important consumer decision. One thing is for sure. We won’t find the answers we need in any politician’s bluster and BS, dem, repub or so-called libertarian.

  • latebloomingrandma

    The Gates foundation is investing billions of dollars to eradicate preventable diseases around the world, primarily by vaccinations. Yes, pharmaceutical companies make $$ on vaccines, This is part of our vaunted free market economy. However, the National Institutes of Health does great research into diseases and our Center for Disease Control is responsible for the overall public health regarding epidemics and disease prevention.
    One of the great successes of this public/private partnership is improved health of the pubic. Think of the close quarters in urban areas, public transportation, and everywhere people meet each other. We should be applauding modern science for protecting us from the devastation of recurrent “black plagues.” How people went on and on about a few cases of Ebola on our shores. What if children start dying of measles, of all things?. People squawk when we can’t get certain medications that other countries are using for cures, because our FDA is not satisfied with the safety data yet. We can’t have it both ways. I am satisfied that the overwhelming research validates the safety of vaccines. Does that mean NO ONE will have a bad outcome? Human nature being what it is, that is an impossible statement to make, as it is for most things in life.
    I remember i the 1950’s, my parents and siblings and I going over to the local school where they were administering the new oral polio vaccine. My Dad, whose generation saw the devastating and frightening effects of polio, was so proud that the USA was on the forefront of combating this disease , and made a big thing of all of us getting this medicine. He called it historic.
    It is embarrassing for America, when our leaders, who are supposed to be educated people, look down on science.

    • TZToronto

      The U.S. may have been in the forefront of combatting polio, but it was Connaught Labs in Toronto that actually developed the vaccine in sufficient quantities for a clinical trial.

      • AKLady

        Does the name Jonas Sulk mean anything to you? How about Albert Sabin?

        The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952.

  • johninPCFL

    Chris Christie didn’t “walk back his comments”, his owners, er handlers, did.

    • FT66

      When you hear from handlers, after the main speaker in this case (Christie), then understand everything was put in a total mess and they are trying to rectify them.

  • LadyImpactOhio

    Umm. Remember you guys got all up in arms when Perry mandated the HPV vaccine. Or has that been forgotten?

    • FireBaron

      As long as it’s promoted by an anti-science Republican, it isn’t a problem.

    • Floridatexan

      The HPV vaccine is not mandatory. The only reason Perry “mandated” it is that he stood to gain financially.

      • AKLady

        Yet, another lie.

        • Carolyn1520

          ‘To be clear, there are legitimate political concerns that surround what Rick Perry did. His closest advisor works at Merck, the company that makes the Gardasil vaccine — and his campaign has received more than $30,000 from the pharmaceutical giant since 2000. Further, Perry circumvented the state legislature to get the mandate on the books. Given that he has frequently castigated government interference in people’s lives, Perry’s decision to intervene in the health care decisions parents make for their children seems incongruous to many conservatives.”

  • Gary Miles

    The vaccine subject is an odd subject for the Left to champion. But it follows the liberal train of thought that they (liberal’s( have some special right to inject their demands upon other people. When a government begins to demand vaccinations, they aren’t doing it to protect the masses, they are doing it because they are married to Big Pharma and Bog Pharma’s lobbyist’s paid a fortune for a law to be passed, making vaccines mandatory. First, It’s not within the Constitutional powers of Congress to demand such a thing. If you can find it, please copy and paste where it say’s so.

    Secondly, why are people so concerned about the unvaccinated if they and their family are vaccinated? If you believe vaccines work, get vaccinated and move along, your protected. What’s being missed in this whole discussion is what the warnings that each vaccine comes with (you can ask your doctor or find it online somewhere)

    Some facts about all the fear mongering:

    Let’s start with some facts about measles:
    Measles (Rubeola) is a highly infectious respiratory disease spread by coughing, sneezing, or simply being in close contact with an infected person.
    The incubation period from initial exposure to onset of the signature rash is between 7 and 18 days, with an average of 14 days.
    Initial symptoms are typically a rising fever (which peaks around 103-105 degrees), cough, runny nose, red irritated eyes, and a sore throat with tiny white spots in the mouth. Those symptoms usually last about 2-4 days, and then the rash, which usually begins at the head and moves down the body, develops.
    Measles tends to be more severe in adults.
    Possible complications include bronchitis, ear infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, and death.

    How many people die from measles or related complications each year?

    The CDC reports that out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles, one or two die. The disease is still rampant worldwide, with an estimated 20 million cases each year. About 164,000 measles-related deaths occur each year, with more than half of those in India.

    Let’s break that down more – how many people in the United States die from measles each year?

    Some statistics from the CDC on recent outbreaks in the US:

    During January 1–August 24, 2013, a total of 159 cases were reported to CDC from 16 states and New York City. Among the 159 cases, 7 (11%) persons required hospitalization, including four patients diagnosed with pneumonia. No deaths were reported.

    In 2011, a provisional total of 222 measles cases were reported from 31 states. Among the 70 (32%) measles patients who were hospitalized, 17 (24%) had diarrhea, 15 (21%) were dehydrated, and 12 (17%) had pneumonia. No cases of encephalitis and no deaths were reported.

    Gotta love the fear mongering, likely financed by Big Pharma. Does anyone see the correlation of the tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who are now in the States and this sudden Measles issue? Can’t be that because it HAS to be from someone who didn’t get immunized HERE in the States. That sounds about how MSNBC would put things. If you would like to know how the MMR vaccine really works, I can post that info as well.

    I do know a great deal about vaccinations, as it was one that has caused most of my current health issues. Sadly, the military have been used as test patients and often given untested vaccines. You should really educate yourself on what’s in these vaccines, you probably would have second thoughts about them.

    • Wedge Shot

      You are a stupid ignorant fool. Your BS can kill. I hope you get a very serious case of the Shingles and spend a year trying to get over it. Do not spread your hateful misinformed BS around, there are people that might just believe you and that would be deadly to some kid that wasn’t vaccinated and died of a completely preventable disease.

      • Gary Miles

        Instead of acting like an immature 5 year old, try proving what I have posted as wrong. Go to the CDC and read it all for yourself. Education is a great thing, you should try to get one.

        • FT66

          Are you here for the sake of arguing only or making sense in your argument? To be frank I get difficulties to understand the base of your arguments and if they really make sense at all.

          • Gary Miles

            I’m not really arguing. I have stated that if you want vaccinated, get vaccinated. That’s where your choice starts and ends. What’s there to argue?

          • You’re deliberately ignoring the fact that we are talking about highly contagious diseases. Ergo, if you get it, you’re exposing every single person in your life to it.

            So unless you’re a hermit survivalist loon living in a bunker in Wyoming, this is NOT solely about personal choice.

            We, the American people, will offer you tea-bagger whores this compromise: You can refrain from getting vaccinated if you promise to never step out in public for the rest of your miserable lives (which, given your internet habits, I’d wager you are well on your way to doing already).

          • Carolyn1520

            An infant too young to receive the shots can die if exposed .

          • Independent1

            Of course they don’t make sense – Gary’s going to find something contrary no matter how many facts you trash his idiotic logic with.

        • Floridatexan

          And you should go back under your rock.

        • AKLady

          People have been vaccinated for more than 50 years.
          Your ignorance is overwhelming.

    • Paul Bass

      Thanks for all the background info Gary! I find it very informative.

      • Gary Miles

        Thanks Paul, I have no opinion on whether people should or shouldn’t get vaccines. I believe it’s up to the individual and parents of children. I haven’t had a flu shot since 1988 and haven’t had the flu since 1988. It helps to have a proper diet and to just take care of your body. Of course, some people will show their complete lack of intelligence on the subject and act like an idiot, but that’s OK. Notice how hard all the networks are promoting vaccinations now? I laugh at the utter stupidity of the comments. Hopefully you can see the contradictions in their comments. Have a great day and best wishes to you family as well!

        • AKLady

          What is epidemic in this country is selfishness and ignorance.

          • Gary Miles

            So is stupidity and laziness.

    • 788eddie

      Gee, Gary, I’ve had my full compliment of vaccinations, as have my children. None of us has ever experienced any untoward effects.

      I also get the flu shot every year, especially now that Medicare pays for it.

      • Gary Miles

        That’s great! You did so because you had a choice and made a decision. I’m not for or against vaccinations, but, it should be a personal choice. You are also aware that the Feds have taken all responsibility away from Big Pharma and now have a special court for those families that are not so lucky?

        • FT66

          Hello!!! you can’t have personal choice between death and life especially for the young ones. You will always opt for life. If vaccination is the only option for living, why should you encourage others to go for the other one?

          • Gary Miles

            How about putting out some factual evidence to support your claims. First, nobody has died from measles in the US in this outbreak or in the last outbreak in April 2014. This isn’t the 1940s and 50s, our ability to deal with these issues are far greater than back then. The BS claim that “x” number of people die from the flu is also misinformation. So far, all I’m hearing is kneejerk reactions full of contradictions and misinformation. If you want vaccinated, get vaccinated, I have no problem with that, I’m not sure what all the worry is. If science says that vaccines work, then if your vaccinated, your safe, according to science. Why the worry about unvaccinated kids, who are NOT dying of diseases from lack of vaccinations?

          • awakenaustin

            Herd immunity. Not dying Gary because everyone else is getting vaccinated.
            They are free riders, Gary. The people you don’t like. Sucking down the freebies the rest of us provide.

            You are simply a fool, carrying a fool’s tales and using a fool’s logic.
            Science has already said vaccinations work. It is not a question open for discussion. It is not a scientific controversy.
            What is the title of your next talk? “Polio vaccine, who needs it, kids aren’t dying of polio today”?

            Don’t get vaccinations Gary! Don’t get your children vaccinated! Tell all your friends not to get vaccinated. In the long run it will raise the nation’s IQ.

          • Independent1

            Yeah! When he and the rest of his mentally retarded friends die off raising the average IQ across the nation. (Unfortunately, we can’t always stop those low IQ folks from making crazy decisions that end up shortening their lives.)

          • Gary Miles

            You are an idiot as well, try reading what I’ve posted and maybe you won’t ASSume as much as you do.

          • Gary Miles

            Too late, all the kids are all grown up and make their own choices now. They were all vaccinated. On a different subject, have you read anything I’ve posted? NO, you haven’t which is why your making a moron out of yourself.

          • awakenaustin

            Yes, I have read what you have posted. It is not dissimilar to having one’s teeth drilled without the dentist first administering lidocaine.

          • AKLady

            Have you bothered to investigate what the measles virus does to a fetus? In Utero exposure causes serious birth defects.

            How are you going to pay for that damage? You would be responsible. Are you going to provide the medical care that infant needs?
            Better yet, how are you going to compensate the parents when the child is miscarried? Are you going to pay for the mother’s medical care? How about the infant’s funeral?

            I had measles — every type of the disease, and there are more than one. Anyone who would wish that hell on a child is insane.

            Ignorant selfishness seems to be epidemic in America. Vaccines have been in use for over 50 years.

          • Gary Miles

            Yes, I have. I have never once stated in all of my posts that I’m against vaccination, not once. DO YOU READ what is posted? All I have done is provide facts, from the CDC about the current outbreak, which is extremely minor. Not to mention the likely cause are from the influx of illegal immigrants from down South, where the disease is still prevalent.

        • Fine. When you or one of your family members comes in my neighborhood suffering from a dangerous, highly infectious disease, I and all of my neighbors reserve the right to “stand our ground” before you and your ilk have the chance to sneeze on anyone.

          • Gary Miles

            First, you don’t have the gonad’s to stand up to anyone. Second, if your vaccinated, what’s the problem? I have never once posted that I was against vaccinations. Not once parrotmonkey. Try reading what is said before making an idiot of yourself.

          • No, but you are, by your own admission, for letting people get infected and spread it.

            Maybe I’m okay, but what about the new mom that just brought her baby from the hospital?

            And if you don’t believe I have the gonads, come down to Vegas and put it to the test, whore.

        • AKLady

          Putting other people’s lives in danger is not a choice.

          • Gary Miles

            If you are vaccinated, why are you concerned? Think about that.

          • Carolyn1520

            New born babies are not able to be vaccinated until a certain age. THEY are at great risk .

    • rorybellows

      This is like claiming the environmental movement was a waste of time because we don’t have acid rain and rivers catching fire anymore. Can you think of any big factor why we don’t have measles deaths like in the 50’s? And can you think of any factor that would cause those stats to go back up based on your reasoning? I’ll give a hint, it rhymes with “baxinations.”

      • Gary Miles

        Can you think of any big factor why we don’t have measles deaths like in the 50’s? Yes. Over the counter meds to deal with the symptoms are way better than in the 50’s. Apply some simple common sense an thinking and you too could have deducted that simple reasoning. Death rates will not likely go up, even minus vaccinations due to this FACT. Of course that doesn’t take into account that the virus mutates, because of the vaccination, which may be partially to blame for those who have been vaccinated getting the disease after being vaccinated. Rory, your barking up the wrong tree when it comes to vaccinations, as they are responsible for my current ailments, according to the VA. I’ve done my homework, you should too.

        • Independent1

          Sorry mindless one, but there are no specific medications designed to take care of measles once someone has contracted it because the vaccine developed long ago had virtually eradicated measles until idiots in recent years refused to vaccinate their kids.

          Here’s the story on how Roald Dahl lost his daughter to the disease some years back:

          Olivia, my eldest daughter, caught measles when she was seven years old.

          As the illness took its usual course I can remember reading to her often in bed and not feeling particularly alarmed about it. Then one morning, when she was well on the road to recovery, I was sitting on her bed showing her how to fashion little animals out of colored pipe-cleaners, and when it came to her turn to make one herself, I noticed that her fingers and her mind were not working together and she couldn’t do anything.

          “Are you feeling all right?” I asked her.

          “I feel all sleepy, ” she said.

          In an hour, she was unconscious. In twelve hours she was dead.

          The measles had turned into a terrible thing called measles encephalitis and there was nothing the doctors could do to save her.

          That was twenty-four years ago in 1962, but even now, if a child with measles happens to develop the same deadly reaction from measles as Olivia did, there would still be nothing the doctors could do to help her.

          See this from MedTV:

          There is no treatment that can kill the measles virus, so treatment focuses on supportive care, or the relief of symptoms. Supportive care can include intravenous fluids, medications to control fever or pain, and antibiotics to treat secondary infections from bacteria a patient may contract.

          • Gary Miles

            The “Copy and Paste King” strikes again. Do you wear a cape and a mask when you post these?

        • AKLady

          Child, the symptoms are not what kills you.
          It is the measles virus which disables and kills people.
          Military experimental vaccines? Then why do civilians become ill with the same diseases?
          Oh, and Gary, Squalene is manufactured by your liver — every hour of every day.

          • Gary Miles

            Insulin is also created by the body, and too much can kill a person. Wake old lady, Measles isn’t killing anybody.

    • AKLady

      The government has been demanding vaccinations for 50+ years.

      If you are an adult, you were vaccinated as a child.

      Gotta love the ignorance. Vaccinations are the reason that there are not huge numbers of measles cases.

  • pmbalele

    Why are Repubs and TPs not talking about Scott Walker when he ranked highest in Iowa straw poll? Is it because he is a high school drop-out and wants Sharia law if elected as president? Of course people love him because he is socialist-he wants people educated up to 2–years college only. Walker has cut spending in universities-sees nothing value for 4-college degrees for he will import professionals. Walker wants all people paid the same i.e. farmers, doctors, nurses, street workers, highway construction, professors,
    business owners etc. That is what we people in Wisconsin voted for in 2014 and that is what we will vote for in 2016. At least Walker is better than Sarah
    Palin, the violent woman from Alaska. Recently her family had a brawl in a bar and they had to be thrown-out by bouncer. Well, I know all Repubs and TPs are violent – so she is no exception.

  • kneadles

    FOR ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE YOUR VACCINE IS SAFE – have your doc read and sign. This settles everything!


    (Physician’s name, degree)_______________, _____ am a physician licensed to
    practice medicine in the State/Province of _________. My State/Provincial
    license number is ___________ , and my DEA number is ____________. My medical
    specialty is _______________I have a thorough understanding of the risks and
    benefits of all the medications that I prescribe for or administer to my
    patients. In the case of (Patient’s name) ______________ , age _____ , whom I
    have examined, I find that certain risk factors exist that justify the
    recommended vaccinations. The following is a list of said risk factors and the
    vaccinations that will protect against them:

    Factor __________________________

    Vaccination __________________________

    Risk Factor __________________________

    Vaccination __________________________

    Risk Factor __________________________

    Vaccination __________________________

    am aware that vaccines may contain many of the following chemicals, excipients,
    preservatives and fillers:

    aluminum hydroxide

    * aluminum phosphate

    * ammonium sulfate

    * amphotericin B

    * animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,

    * arginine hydrochloride

    * dog kidney, monkey kidney,

    * dibasic potassium phosphate

    * chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg

    * calf (bovine) serum

    * betapropiolactone

    * fetal bovine serum

    * formaldehyde

    * formalin

    * gelatin

    * gentamicin sulfate

    * glycerol

    * human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

    * hydrocortisone

    * hydrolized gelatin

    * mercury thimerosol (thimerosal, Merthiolate(r))

    * monosodium glutamate (MSG)

    * monobasic potassium phosphate

    * neomycin

    * neomycin sulfate

    * nonylphenol ethoxylate

    * octylphenol ethoxylate

    * octoxynol 10

    * phenol red indicator

    * phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)

    * potassium chloride

    * potassium diphosphate

    * potassium monophosphate

    * polymyxin B

    * polysorbate 20

    * polysorbate 80

    * porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

    * residual MRC5 proteins

    * sodium deoxycholate

    * sorbitol

    * thimerosal

    * tri(n)butylphosphate,

    * VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells, and

    * washed sheep red blood and, hereby, warrant that these ingredients are safe
    for injection into the body of my patient.

    have researched reports to the contrary, such as reports that mercury
    thimerosal causes severe neurological and immunological damage, and find that
    they are not credible.

    am aware that some vaccines have been found to have been contaminated with
    Simian Virus 40 (SV 40) and that SV 40 is causally linked by some researchers
    to non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and mesotheliomas in humans as well as in
    experimental animals. I hereby warrant that the vaccines I employ in my
    practice do not contain SV 40 or any other live viruses.

    I hereby warrant that said SV-40 virus or other viruses pose no substantive
    risk to my patient.)

    hereby warrant that the vaccines I am recommending for the care of (Patient’s
    name) _______________ do not contain any tissue from aborted human babies (also
    known as “fetuses”).

    order to protect my patient’s well being, I have taken the following steps to
    guarantee that the vaccines I will use will contain no damaging contaminants.

    TAKEN: _________________________




    have personally investigated the reports made to the VAERS (Vaccine Adverse
    Event Reporting System) and state that it is my professional opinion that the
    vaccines I am recommending are safe for administration to a child under the age
    of 5 years.

    bases for my opinion are itemized on Exhibit A, attached hereto, — “Physician’s
    Bases for Professional Opinion of Vaccine Safety.” (Please itemize each
    recommended vaccine separately along with the bases for arriving at the
    conclusion that the vaccine is safe for administration to a child under the age
    of 5 years.)

    professional journal articles I have relied upon in the issuance of this
    Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety are itemized on Exhibit B , attached
    hereto, — “Scientific Articles in Support of Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine

    The professional journal articles that I have read which contain opinions
    adverse to my opinion are itemized on Exhibit C , attached hereto, —
    “Scientific Articles Contrary to Physician’s Opinion of Vaccine Safety”

    reasons for my determining that the articles in Exhibit C were invalid are
    delineated in Attachment D , attached hereto, — “Physician’s Reasons for Determining
    the Invalidity of Adverse Scientific Opinions.”

    Hepatitis B

    understand that 60 percent of patients who are vaccinated for Hepatitis B will
    lose detectable antibodies to Hepatitis B within 12 years. I understand that in
    1996 only 54 cases of Hepatitis B were reported to the CDC in the 0-1 year age
    group. I understand that in the VAERS, there were 1,080 total reports of
    adverse reactions from Hepatitis B vaccine in 1996 in the 0-1 year age group,
    with 47 deaths reported.

    understand that 50 percent of patients who contract Hepatitis B develop no
    symptoms after exposure. I understand that 30 percent will develop only
    flu-like symptoms and will have lifetime immunity. I understand that 20 percent
    will develop the symptoms of the disease, but that 95 percent will fully
    recover and have lifetime immunity.

    understand that 5 percent of the patients who are exposed to Hepatitis B will
    become chronic carriers of the disease. I understand that 75 percent of the
    chronic carriers will live with an asymptomatic infection and that only 25
    percent of the chronic carriers will develop chronic liver disease or liver
    cancer, 10-30 years after the acute infection. The following scientific studies
    have been performed to demonstrate the safety of the Hepatitis B vaccine in
    children under the age of 5 years.

    ____________________________________ _____________________________________

    addition to the recommended vaccinations as protections against the above cited
    risk factors, I have recommended other non-vaccine measures to protect the
    health of my patient and have enumerated said non-vaccine measures on Exhibit D
    , attached hereto, “Non-vaccine Measures to Protect Against Risk Factors” I am
    issuing this Physician’s Warranty of Vaccine Safety in my professional capacity
    as the attending physician to (Patient’s name)

    of the legal entity under which I normally practice medicine, I am issuing this
    statement in both my business and individual capacities and hereby waive any
    statutory, Common Law, Constitutional, UCC, international treaty, and any other
    legal immunities from liability lawsuits in the instant case. I issue this
    document of my own free will after consultation with competent legal counsel
    whose name is _____________________________, an attorney admitted to the Bar in
    the State of __________________ .

    _________________________ (Name of Attending Physician)

    _________________________ L.S. (Signature of Attending Physician)

    on this __________ day of _________________ A.D. ________

    _________________________ Date: _____________________

    Public: _____________________Date: ______________________

    End of letter.

    • Gary Miles

      I wonder how many doctors would sign that? NONE

      • kneadles

        that’s the point, silly

        • AKLady

          You were vaccinated.
          What is your point in endangering the lives of children and unborn babies?

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            Gary Miles is a born hateful man who wants to control the world. Only his mouth flaps like a kite in the wind. When it comes to anything common sense or common decency, men like Gary Miles have no clue. But, you do have to expect this from Neanderthals with the barest of educations.

          • Joe T

            Eleanore is suffering from a Psychosis in her mind affecting her thought process.

            {Psychosis is a serious mental disorder characterized by thinking and emotions that are so impaired, that they indicate that the person experiencing them has lost contact with reality.}

            {These experiences can be frightening and may cause people who are suffering from psychosis to hurt themselves or “others”. It is important to see a doctor right away if you or someone you know is experiencing symptoms of psychosis.}

            Reading her troubling posts in a public forum with the intensity of her language and hatred.

            This reply to ELEANORE WHITAKER is for her health and our safety for cause.

            Eleanore Whitaker your vitriolic posts are neither rational nor logical.

            Not rational, sans pretext attacking the messenger vehemently.

            Not logical, for the message( post) is verifable from public sources.

            Reporting of an event/dialogue, sans spin is foreign to you; effrontery is not.

            Posts are difficult for you to comprehend and troubling in your mind.

            Posts you attack are canny to others in political public forums.

            Events regarding U.S. politics, terrorism and social issues are verified worldwide.

            Irrational disparaging words refute your posts and do not boaster your point.

            Reflect on your mental state it compulsively makes you “act” obdurate to others.

            Iresponsibility is nonbeneficial to public forums posted by you.

            Succinctly it’s an offensive method you use trying to impugn truth, which is coupled with an inability to express any positive emotions without a spin doctor rhetorical reply form you.

            Continuing “ad nauseam” (like you) to explain your inane uneducated replies of your temerity and unintelligible palaver that reeks with ill bipolar tendencies resulting in minatory statements by you exhibiting personal rage sans cause.

            Pursuant to your passive-aggressive behavior albeit formed years ago in your psyche via physical or mental post- traumatic event you may have encountered “maybe” thru no fault of your own, causing your evidentiary delusions in your state of mind.

            {Opinion vs fact – An opinion is not fact – a fact is not opinion. Debate vs argument -to debate is to utilize logic – to argue is embracing violence. Assertiveness is being confident while aggressiveness is truculent. Strangers don’t interact in a bombastic manner like you. Treatment is highly recommended for you with a Psychiatrist who can dispense Psychotropic medications for your mental (thought process) state that emulates the radical thought process of Islamic Muslims having truculent tendencies that you emulate.}

            You are lost in the weeds of confusion with odious thoughts.

            Have any immediate family/relatives/friends?

            Personal demeanor today by radical Muslims who devoutly follow the Islamic teaching comports a person’s behavior governed by a compulsion…..beheading etc.

            R U an acolyte of radical Islamic teachings or still a Communist/Sociopathy sympathizer?

            Psychopathy and sociopathy are anti-social personality disorders.

            The difference between a sociopath and a psychopath is germane to society.

            One hates people – the other hates them enough to kill them; e.g. Islamic radicals.

            You categorically exhibit radical emotional rage for anyone to ascertain and witness.

            Your intelligence level is self-evident lacking in common sense sans credibility.

            Good luck trying to enjoy a sane life in the chaotic world your thoughts delve in.

            Cease embarra”ass”ing yourself in public forums with rude personal angst posts.

            Posts so rambling and so far out in LEFT field you’re not even in a forum’s ballpark.

            You consider all news reported worldwide to be false regarding Dems/Obama.

            To wit: “wouldst not play false and yet would wrongly win”- Shakespeare

            You are attempting to defend Dems/Obama! Did someone mortify you mentally? Your putative mental obsession to attack strangers is aberrant in societal interaction. Hence, a psychological analysis is recommended. Pursuant to your demeanor the reply may appear on other forums you rant on.

            January 23, 2015 at 5:55 pm

            The Muslim in Chief is doing his best to destroy our constitution and our nation.


      • AKLady

        “Finally you cannot help yourself but spew out good, fat, strong lies, and like a mad person speak against yourself.”

        From Against the Heavenly Prophets, pg. 202 of Luther’s Works, Vol. 40

    • Independent1

      Creating a form which suggests that any reputable physician should even think about signing, when it’s clear that there are people who might take a fatal reaction to not only a medication or vaccine but even to any substance that 99.99% of people are safe in taking, is nothing but pure nonsense. There are foods such as peanuts, common shell fish and more that the vast majority of people have absolutely no problems taking but which some people would take even a fatal allergic reaction to; that no physician in his or her right mind would even think about signing such a nonsensical form. You have to live in La La land to even suggest such a thing.

      • kneadles

        I’m truly surprised that some of you are completely missing the point and my irony is lost on you. Of course no physician will sign this, that’s the point. Duh. And 99.9 percent of ppl are not safe. Start with, but there are lots of informative sites out there about research that is hidden by the mainstream. Are you old enough to remember when the tobacco industry swore before congress that all their studies showed that smoking was safe? And there are documentaries coming out soon about the widespread, devastating effects of some of these crap shots. You’ll see, billions are spent on keeping the public unaware of the truth. It’s worked quite well for years….but it won’t be long…

        • Eleanore Whitaker

          The US is becoming the Wussburg capital of the world. Sorry if I was raised on a farm in a rural area where every germ didn’t become part of the FBIs 10 most wanted.

          Back in those days there were epidemics. Polio took many childrens lives. Many lived in iron lungs. It took 2 vaccines to stop the epidemic. Check with the March of Dimes on just how much that polio epidemic cost this country in human life and funding.

        • Independent1

          Sorry, not buying any of the fear-factor TOTAL BS!!

          • Carolyn1520

            A division of the Tinfoil Hat Studies Institute.

        • Carolyn1520

          Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute established in 1996. Their address is a PO Box in Sante Fe NM.

          Their books for sale are published by:

          New Atlantean Press

          1 Camino Delilah
          Santa Fe, NM 87506-7917

          (505) 983-1856

          Neil Miller (Supervisor)

          Categories: Book Printing & Publishing

          Neil Z, Miller calls himself a medical research journalist and is the director of the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute. He publishes his own anti-vaccine books for sale to the gullible and naive.

        • Independent1

          Here clueless. View the graphs at this link and then come back and repeat your nonsense rhetoric)

    • AKLady


      How many children must be crippled, even die, before this abject stupidity is put to bed?

      You actions are harming innocent children.

    • ericlipps


      And I’ll bet you’re one of those people who complains about the paperwork whenever you go to the doctor. (I’m assuming you do go to the doctor now and then.)

      As for voting, I vote, of course, even if I sometimes do it holding my nose.

      Granted, it may not matter. The fix may be in. But if you don’t vote, you’re abdicating your one real chance, however limited it may be, to choose our political leaders. Whining from the sidelines doesn’t work, and a rootin’, shootin’ revolution isn’t going to happen, Sharron Angle to the contrary notwithstanding.

      Or are you merely “accusing” me of voting Democratic? If so, let me state that I’d be perfectly happy to vote for a Republican like Edward Brooke, or Mark Hatfield, or Jim Jeffords—if there were any left.

      As for “absolute assurance” of vaccine safety—I’d bet money you drive a car. Would you demand that your car dealer and mechanic
      sign similar forms guaranteeing your safety and “understanding” the risks of something going dangerously wrong? (That is, setting themselves up for the lawsuits you’d be planning before your vehicle reached the road?) If so, lots of luck completing your purchase. You’ll be doing plenty of walking—but then, there’s always the chance of slipping and falling on the sidewalk. . . .

  • Gary Miles

    The safety of vaccines was realized back in the 80’s, when Big Pharma lobbied the government to keep them out of court with the ever increasing lawsuits. The lawsuits were the result of death’s and illness’s associated with vaccines. There lobbying paid off with this:
    If vaccines were safe, would we really need this Federal program? Maybe the better question is, why did big Pharma lobby so hard?

    • AKLady

      Keeping vaccines affordable is extremely important.
      That is what there is a federal program.
      The fake science has already caused an outbreak of measles. Over 100 cases so far this year. It may become epidemic.

  • Gary Miles

    During a campaign rally in 2008, U.S. senator and presidential candidate Obama said that the science on vaccinations was “inconclusive,” though he included himself among those “suspicious” of connections between vaccines and autism:

    “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it.” Obama says.

    Clinton expressed similar doubts about the science of vaccinations that year, vowing her commitment in a campaign questionnaire to studying the causes of autism, specifically citing “vaccines” as a possible “environmental cause.”

    • Obama called for further scientific investigation, not for parents to withhold them.

      Nice try, bagger.

      • Independent1

        Don’t waste your time trying to reason with this mental incompetent. He’ll come up with one digression after another to loop around any facts you post that prove him to be stretching the point or totally distorting the truth.

        • Gary Miles

          Coming from the “Copy and Paste King” I have nothing to worry about.

          • Carolyn1520

            Providing facts by copying and pasting throws a wrench into the works of people who provide their opinions as facts, huh?
            Nothing factual provided is going to change your mind but it’s still proof of how often your opinions are wrong.

          • ericlipps

            I vote, of course, even if I sometimes do it holding my nose.

            Granted, it may not matter. The fix may be in. But if you don’t vote, you’re abdicating your one real chance, however limited it may be, to choose our ;olitical leaders. Whining from the
            sidelines doesn’t work, and a rootin’, shootin’ revolution isn’t going to happen, Sharron Angle to the contrary notwithstanding.

            Or are you merely “accusing” me of voting Democratic? If so, let me state that I’d be perfectly happy to vote for a Republican like Edward Brooke, or Mark Hatfield, or Jim Jeffords—if there were any left. For what it’s worth, I voted for John Anderson in 1980.

          • Gary Miles

            Thanks or the kind reply! Let me first say I support voting in local elections, including at the State level. The people have some control still, although the State level is heading towards what the Feds have become. Being active in our local elections goes a long way at keeping corruption in check. I have given up on Federal elections. I can no longer support the two party monopoly where we are given our choices. By continuing to vote Federally would be legitimizing corruption and, in my humble opinion, Fascism. I’m sure you can see that when corporation and government unite, it can only lead to ONE thing, that is control. That is what Fascism is about, control. It would be immoral to support corruption. I believe in honesty and morals that adhere to the simple human standards, which are simple, don’t murder, steal, rape, lie or otherwise do things that one knows is wrong.

            I have no problem with who you vote for, it’s not my business. Our County sheriff is a Democrat and I support him and voted for him. I do so because I do my best to get to know and understand what the candidates stand for. The D and the R are mostly irrelevant in local politics.

            I have come to the NM after reading for some two years without commenting, I think you can see the obvious reasons. I do so to learn the mindset of many on the Left side of our political spectrum. I have found the it isn’t much different than the Right side of the spectrum, both are convoluted with contradictions. I find it saddening to see all the Lies that are just being repeated after some pundit said it. The vaccination issue is one that recently came up and like vultures the Left Wing Pundit’s wrongfully turned it into a Right Wing issue, which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Of Course, that get parroted here because most of these people lack knowledge and are lazy. Instead of studying an issue, they just read from their favorite wingie site and believe it as truth.

            AS you will read, I refer to these people as parrotmonkeys. They repeat what they have read (parrot) and when someone like me comes along to disturb their back patting and call out the lies, they quickly start slinging poop (monkeys) in the form of personal attacks. I was born and raised in a Democratic stronghold, so I just give it right back. I have found that people really don’t like when their world view is challenged, but, that’s how we all learn. Learning should be a daily activity. This is getting long, so I will stop here. If you would like to continue, reply and I can chat for awhile.

          • ericlipps

            The two-party system will endure as long as the Constitution requires that a candidate for president win an absolute majority in the Electoral College, even if the parties change (as they used to do sometimes before the Civil War). Want to break the “duopoly”? Push for abolition of the EC.

      • Gary Miles

        Very good Mikey, yes, further investigation to determine how safe and effective they are. PRETEND you can think and try it occasionally.

    • Carolyn1520

      No, it’s untrue that Obama ‘pandered to anti-vaxxers’ in 2008
      Los Angeles Times‎ – 1 day agoParticipating in the extended game of “Telephone” that is the Internet, the news site Vox has …

      • Gary Miles

        Sorry Carolyn, it’s on video and video’s don’t lie, the Left Wing media lies, like daily though. May want to find a better source for information.

        • Carolyn1520

          No you may want to find a source that hasn’t manipulated the narrative and video.

          I watched the video in it’s entirety.

          More sources are stating definitively that was the case.
          Here’s the article :

          “Participating in the extended game of “Telephone” that is the Internet, the news site Vox has unearthed a report of a public appearance by then-Sen. Barack Obama to suggest that he “pandered” to anti-vaccination groups by acknowledging a vaccine-autism link in 2008, when he was launching his campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination.
          A viewing of the video from that appearance shows that interpretation is incorrect. He dismissed the anti-vaccination viewpoint, spoke out forthrightly and squarely in favor of childhood immunization and did not endorse the autism link. Kudos to Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs for setting the record straight.

          Here’s the back story. Vox pegged its item to Obama’s strong endorsement of childhood immunization during an interview aired Monday on NBC’s “Today” show. He said: “You should get your kids vaccinated…. The science is, you know, pretty indisputable. We’ve looked at this again and again. There is every reason to get vaccinated, but there aren’t reasons to not.”
          Vox reported that at a Pennsylvania town hall meeting in April 2008, Obama said this about the autism-vaccine link: “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it’s connected to the vaccines. This person included.
          The headline on Vox’s post is: “Obama supports vaccines now–but pandered to anti-vaxxers in 2008.” Vox drew its implication from an earlier report on the rally by Dartmouth government professor Brendan Nyhan, who first characterized Obama’s remark as “pandering” and juxtaposed it with a statement by then-GOP presidential hopeful John McCain, stating, “There’s strong evidence that indicates [the rise in autism has] got to do with a preservative in vaccines.”Obama on vaccines, 2008

          Footnote: There is NO EVIDENCE linking autism to vaccines. The only study that purported to show a link has been shown to be fraudulent, and its author drummed out of the medical profession. We reported here on the whole sorry history.

          Vox implies that when Obama said “this person included,” he meant himself. (Nyhan quotes the phrase, but doesn’t parse it.) They both imply that the science he said was “inconclusive” and warranting research was that of the link between autism and vaccines. A viewing of the video undermines that conclusion.

          When Obama says “this person included,” he’s clearly shown pointing off to his right at the person who asked him about the autism-vaccine link, and not referring to himself. The full transcript of his remarks also suggests that the science he says is “inconclusive” is the science of what causes autism — not the purported link to any vaccine.

          “We’ve seen just a skyrocketing autism rate,” he says. “Nobody knows exactly why…. We’ve got to figure out why is it that this is happening so that we are starting to see a more normal, what was a normal, rate of autism.”

          View the one-minute video here.

          UPDATE: Brandon Wall of the Chicago Sun-Times went to the full 55-minute video of Obama’s Pennsylvania appearance, from which the above one-minute snippet was extracted. Bottom line: the evidence that Obama was referring to an autism-vaccine link, as opposed to the science of autism’s causes, when he said the science was “inconclusive” is even weaker than it looked at first. The full video is here; the discussion at issue begins at the 39-minute mark.

          Blogger Orac of Science Blogs turned up an example of how candidate Obama ticked off the anti-vaccination movement later in 2008 by stating that he was “not for selective vaccination, I believe that it will bring back deadly diseases, like polio.”

          The danger of getting the story wrong is that it will push the vaccine debate deeper into partisan, ideological politics, which is all we need. Suggesting that Obama has flip-flopped on vaccination is just another way to undermine the solid science and public health policy in favor of childhood immunization.

          • Independent1

            Don’t be surprised if one of the mental midget RWNJs posting on the NM comes out claiming that your post is nothing but leftist propaganda. Facts to mental midget RWNJs is always – propaganda.

          • Carolyn1520

            I’m no longer surprised by anything they say.
            Most use the first source that confirms their opinions without regard to the credibility of that source so they assume everyone does. Another trick is to use outdated information as though it’s etched in stone and even though new studies changed the facts, it matters not as they will always stick to what is closest to their opinions, facts be damned.

    • AKLady

      Where do these lies begin?
      Why are people so willing toi spread them?

      Vaccines have been around for 50+ years. They are safe. They have prevented much death and disability.

      Children in “Iron Lung” machines are a very, sad sight.

      • Gary Miles

        No lies at all, try doing some research. The only lie is the one that the Left Wing media fill you with.

    • ericlipps

      Which just goes to show how pervasive is the rot. Politicians pander to cuckoos in order to scrape up every possible vote and every penny of campaign contributions. Then, once in office, they pander to business and feed the cuckoos bird seed.

      • Gary Miles

        I bet you vote Polly! I don’t, figured out their lies long ago. Time for you to catch up!

    • Carolyn1520

      No he didn’t and that’s already been verified.
      The narrative and video you referred to in another thread was only a part of the complete conversation.

  • Gary Miles

    President Obama released his $4 trillion fiscal year 2016 budget proposal Monday, and in it he outlined some ambitious health care initiatives to improve efficiency and eliminate waste. But buried a little bit deeper is a $50 million cut to one of the U.S.’s longstanding vaccine programs for the under- and un-insured.

    The fiscal 2016 budget includes $561 million for the Health and Human Service’s 317 immunization program, a decrease from the current $611 million allotted to the initiative.
    BWAHAHAHA! And ya’ll thought he cared about the poor.

    • Independent1

      If there’s a cut, it’s probably exactly like the ‘SUPPOSED’ 716 billion cut in Medicare, WHICH WAS NOT A CUT, but the realization OF SAVINGS that there were from reducing enormous wastes and over payments in the Medicare programs.

      If Obama cut the monies allocated to that immunization program, it’s most likely because they’ve FOUND WAYS TO ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY IN RUNNING THE PROGRAMS FOR THE POOR!!

      Better get the real story on why there’s a reduction in the budget BEFORE YOU START ACTING LIKE A FOOL, and just assuming it’s going to mean a reduction in actual coverage of the programs.

    • Independent1

      The Obama administration has constantly worked to find ways to SAVE US TAXPAYERS MONEY!! From implementing programs on fraud in the Healthcare and Defense industries which have recovered billions in taxpayer money from crooks trying to defraud the government, to eliminating redundant and/or jobs/programs run by our government that haven’t been working, to figuring out ways to cut costs in the way Medicare is administered, and more.

      One of the things Obama is pushing in his budget is research that will improve the way doctors prescribe medications. Today, doctors generally provide the same dosages and medicines to everyone, despite the fact that each of us reacts differently to many different stimulants which enter our bodies via foods and medicines.

      A company here in Downeast Maine where I live, Jackson Laboratory just a couple miles south of Bar Harbor, is building a facility in Connecticut to expand its Genome related research. And Obama is now pushing Precision Medicine, both of which are already improving the way patients are treated and have already been shown that by doing so, people’s lives can be made better, and even saved when otherwise they would have been lost.

      Here’s two links on those programs:

      The link to info on Jackson labs Genomic Medicine. More on it can be gotten from clicking to bring up the PDF file under Project Update in the upper right corner of the web page.

      Here’s the link to Obama’s initiative pushing Precision Medicine:

    • Carolyn1520

      “President Obama has proposed a $50-million cut to a federal immunization program, citing diminished need for government-funded vaccinations thanks to the Affordable Care Act.

      The government budgeted $611 million in 2015 for the federal purchase and distribution of vaccines for uninsured children and adults, which is authorized by Section 317 of the Public Health Service Act.

      The proposed cut for 2016 is relatively modest, but would reduce the number of immunizations provided free of charge at local, state and national levels.

      In an interview Sunday, Obama called on all parents to vaccinate their kids, warning that allowing a segment of the population to remain unvaccinated threatens the safety of everyone.

      The White House says the president’s proposal to cut immunization funding would not undermine administration and public health efforts nationwide.

      “The health insurance expansion will further increase access to immunizations and decrease the number of uninsured and underinsured individuals in need of Section 317 vaccine for routine immunizations,” explained Melanie Roussell, a spokeswoman for the Office of Management and Budget.

      While there are no concrete estimates for how many children have gained coverage under Medicaid or CHIP — the Children’s Health Insurance Program – specifically as a result of the Affordable Care Act, experts say the law has significantly expanded access to the programs for the uninsured and their families.

      The rate of uninsured children in America has been cut in half in the past 15 years, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, which estimates 8 percent of U.S. children between the ages of 1 and 18 have no health insurance.”

  • Stuart

    Libertarians believe there is no social contract.

  • whenpiggsfly

    Rachel’s staff found a video of Paul talking vaccines on Alex Jones’ show in 2009