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House Democrat Luis Gutierrez: ‘More Than Enough’ GOP Votes To Pass Immigration Reform

House Democrat Luis Gutierrez: ‘More Than Enough’ GOP Votes To Pass Immigration Reform

In an interview released Friday by The Washington Post, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) suggested that there are “more than enough” GOP votes to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

Gutierrez says that the “40 to 50” House Republicans who have expressed support for the new bill have done so quietly.

“They say, ‘Love to do the activity with you, I want to be able to vote for it, I really don’t need to draw attention to myself at this point,’ but we can count on it [their votes],” he explained.

The interview comes a few days after Rep. Daniel Webster (R-FL.) and Rep. Aaron Schock (R-IL) expressed support for the measures – most notably a pathway to full citizenship — introduced by the proposed immigration reform.

“We’re a nation of immigrants, there’s no question about that. But we’re also a nation of laws. I think we have to honor both of those.” Webster said in an interview with the Orlando Sentinel.

Webster and Schock are part  of a 20-member group comprised of Republicans in the House who have confirmed their support for immigration reform – a group that includes bipartisan “Gang of 7” members Rep. Mario Diaz Balart (R-FL), Rep. Sam Johnson (R-TX), and Rep. John Carter (R-TX).

Other House Republicans in favor of immigration reform include Spencer Bachus (AL) who stated that without a pathway to citizenship, we would create “an underclass,” Darrell Issa, and Jeff Denham (CA), who said he believes the “Senate’s done a good job.”

Rep. David Valadao (R-CA) – who also supports immigration reform – said that winning Republican House members over to reform is possible: “Once you talk to them and explain that it’s a process, where [undocumented immigrants] can work for [citizenship], appreciate it and someday become citizens – just like my parents did – most members begin to understand.”

Gutierrez says that there are at least 195 confirmed House Democrats who support immigration reform, meaning the 22 confirmed GOP House members only need one more Republican vote to pass it.

Even so, a bill  has not reached the House floor.

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) has enforced the Hastert Rule, a practice that involves only bringing a bill to a vote if there is majority support from the majority party’s members.

According to the Washington Post, House Republicans have now shifted their efforts to a more “piecemeal approach to immigration reform,” focusing more on bills related to border security.

On Thursday, Rep. Jeff Denham (R-CA) spoke out against Boehner and his fellow House Republicans who refuse to express support for immigration reform, and said that he is “frustrated” with the leadership.

Asked why the process is so dragged out, Denham confirmed what many observers have been thinking: “It probably has a lot more to do with politics than policy.”

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269 responses to “House Democrat Luis Gutierrez: ‘More Than Enough’ GOP Votes To Pass Immigration Reform”

  1. docb says:

    This is good..now get boneher to act.

  2. labrown69 says:

    Ya mean “amnesty” don’t ya? Once you legalize the 30 or so million who are here and then they use their new found citizenship to bring their families this place will be a suburb of Tijuana! LMAO

    • ChristoD says:

      Now its’ 30 million or so. You folks that resist are pathetic.

      • Leftout says:

        Resistance is due to fact it is unfair for people standing in line. Present undocumented people’s should be ID’d and allowed to work until they are able to obtain citizenship. They already are getting paid for work done, and have a great work ethic, if they pay taxes they can also attend schools and obtain medical,care since they contribute via taxes. In Arizona there is an unfounded mandate that illegals are able to access medical care…..and we pay for it…no Contribution from these undocumented citizens. Is this fair ?

        • ChristoD says:

          Lets put all the cards on the table. Your position is sanctimonious BS. The overwhelming majority of the so called ‘illegals’ are here because they want, and do, WORK ! They help the US economy, period….legal or illegal. If there are no jobs for them, most will return home because they get ZERO help from gov. UNLESS they have children here and then they qualify for child support because their children are now US citizens. So if you want to start throwing rocks throw them at the folks who HIRE them. Also, forget your bogus free med. care nonsense. They only qualify for EMERGENCY medical care and most need that simply because when they do work they work for peanuts. As for that sanctimonious comment, it is yet another example of phony outrage by folks who flat out are prejudiced, end subject. NOW you know why WE’RE pissed off just as much as you raggin’ nitwits !

          • InsideEye says:

            That is what I said, seems like you may be angry at sanctimoniousness or lack of love. I am all for people being legalized, they do contribute to the economy bu their work is not credited to them unless they are ID’d. They have no benefits accrued since they are not legally on the payrolls for their very, very , very, hard work . They do work for it , as opposed to some elements of our society that take but not work, nor even get off their butts, but that is another story.

          • tax payer says:

            I thought they worked for tacos.

        • ChristoD says:

          My apologies Leftout, I misread your message. In any event what I wrote is directed at all the low MISinformation right wing blowhards who lie, cheat and steal their way gathering MISinformation to make their feeble, obnoxious points.
          By the way I AM angry at sanctimoniousness especially when it is from Misinformed extremists but I am definitely not lacking for love. 😉

      • roguerunners says:

        No, just ignorant.

    • EZ2figure says:

      It’s 13 million! You are confusing the number of Americans who will get access to healthcare fro the Affordable Care Act with the number you used to multiply the number of OMG aliens! Our cities, like Detroit, are already like Tijuana suburbs because Republicans, in the red States, have refused to fill the holes left behind when the Mitt Romneys harvested their investments and shipped whole factories to the Romney Enterprise Zones in China, to make China better richer than us!

      • labrown69 says:

        EZ – no way Jose – they have been using the same tired 11 – 13 million figure for decades but nobody believes that. A Bear Stearns study which was totally apolitical was done years ago and said the figure was closer to 30 million. We probably have damn near 10 million in Southern CA alone. As for the rest of your comments, yes, the GOP has played a major role is screwing things up but lets harken back to Ronald Reagan’s dream of total deregulation which was basically authored by Republican Phil Gramm but signed into fruition but that greatest of all Republicans, Bill Clinton. If you doubt this please see The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act of 99 and The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 200. Democrats were enthusiastic co-conspirators in this crap so this “it’s all the right wingers” stuff is for children. I despise them for their bigoted social positions but the reality is we are almost as guilty as they are.

        • EZ2figure says:

          Shouldn’t we also remember that Clinton wanted to fix the Nafta Agreements shortcomings. but Republicans refused to allow him to do it?

          • jack says:

            you seem to have a selective memory of history it was democrats including billy boy clinton and their banking buddies that repealed glass/steagall and pushed thru the community reinvestment act that led to the collapse of the housing market because it allowed/forced banks to loan money to people who could not pay the loans back but the banks escaped the liability by selling the loans to fanny and freddie run by democrats leaving the taxpayer holding bad loans! i have yet to see your hero barrack send anybody to jail including timmy gietner who somehow could not pay his taxes until he wanted to be treasury sect for these crimes against the american people! and we never will because the really corrupt people are members of both political parties some of us are willing to admit that just not democrats!

    • tax payer says:

      They’ll bring even their dogs to this country and say they are humans.

    • stcroixcarp says:

      No Sir, It’s not amnesty, it’s Grace!

  3. blyvl says:

    What bothers me most is that some GOP House members support the Senate immigration bill. It makes me believe that neither they nor their staffs have read the Senate bill. The Senate bill is a total disaster to those who believe in enforcement of the immigration laws.

    I’ve been kinda of the belief that the House would do better, but now I’m not so sure. Back to the fax’s and phones.

  4. ObozoMustGo says:

    Only an idiot Republican would support such nonsense as the destruction of their own party… rewarding lawbreakers with the reward they sought by breaking the law. Amnesty is like letting a jewelry thief keep the stolen jewelry. Sheer stupidity. Why don’t they start with enforcing the laws we already have on the books? Any new laws will only allow illegal aliens to turn America into more of a slum as more of them pour in from the southern border seeking reward for their crimes. And rest assured, just like the old laws requiring security are ignored, the new laws requiring security will also be ignored. This is what we get from feckless Repubicans and evil DemonRATS… SCREWED!!!

    Have a nice day!

    “In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language.. And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.’ — Theodore Roosevelt 1907

    • metrognome3830 says:

      WHAAAAAT! You are now quoting FDR? You are hereby ordered to turn in your Libertarian membership card! My God! If Rand Paul sees this . . . oh boy! I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes!
      Have a nice weekend! But maybe you better lay low for a while.

      • KDJ54 says:

        I agree, we should not reward lawbreakers, in fact for every undocumented worker who is denied a pathway to citizenship for working in this country, paying social security taxes (they won’t be able to collect), paying sales taxes, purchasing goods and services, and contributing to over general economic welfare of the country, we should prosecute every farmer, contractor, and businessman, who provided employment. After all, the employers are the real criminals, as it is a violation of criminal law to knowing employ an undocumented worker, while it is a civil matter to remain in the US as an undocumented person. Fair is fair, don’t you think?

        • metrognome3830 says:

          Sounds fair to me.

        • EZ2figure says:

          Why do Republicans always pick on the poor un-represented workers? When did the Republican Party ever go against the banks and their unscrupulous lending practices? When did Darryl Issa ever go after one Bush, Cheney, or Condoleeza for outing a CIA member to spite her Ambassador Husband, who told the truth about Yellow Cake Uranium fiction the Bush administration told us was true to justify the war with Iraq? Maybe they liked rubbing shoulders with Cheney’s Halliburton War company, Bush’s Wealth, and Condoleeza’s personal Oil Tanker, named after her! Money, Money, Money!

          • tax payer says:

            The poor only want what they can get free and these jokers try their best to make their wishes come true.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Really, when you were poor, was that your goal? To get free stuff? Or to get a decent paying job? Are you really that out of touch that we might suspect you are an ill-informed Tea Party wacko? Have you ever been on welfare, and had to put up with denials because your house wasn’t clean enough, or your stove was to old to qualify you for payment? I would suspect you’re just a mimic of Rush Limbaugh’s “blame the poor” for what the rich won’t give them because they refuse to pay them fair wages, making us taxpayers cover the difference! Why not blame the rich! They can afford to pay the wages allowing us to buy more of their goods, making them richer still! It’s the poor that get overtaxed! It’s the poor who have broken down cars that cost them more in repairs because they can’t get a loan for a new care! It’s the poor without the tax breaks for yachts and free air travel and Koch Brother paid vacations in Albuquerque, New Mexico, like Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan just took, to get their marching orders from the big oil Koch Brothersd, before meeting with their own townhall constituents back home! Who do we think Republicans serve? It’s never the starving kids they want to defund another 40 billion dollars from the Food Stamps they need to survive on, while 46% of our nation works at, or below poverty level! Should we blame the kids. too?

          • tax payer says:

            Starving kids have parents, so it’s up to them to feed their children and not us. The rich aren’t suppose to support the poor. I am not rich or poor, but I make it as all other people should too and not expect the Government to be there to them all the time.

          • EZ2figure says:

            No one is asking the rich to feed the poor, but we are asking the rich to spend their money investing in American jobs, not slave labor jobs in China, where those elites hide the profits in the Cayman Loophole LLC’s! There would be less poor if the rich were willing to pay living wages! Killing union representation, while Corporations can afford to hire thousands of lobbyists is not really fair and balanced, is it? Having ALEC produce ready-made legislation for all the Republicans to use, so they can enslave the poor in their copycat states is not fair and balanced!
            Where do the poor match up dollar wise to have representation with the rich?

            Shouldn’t all folks, from all economic levels have equal say in our government?

            According to you, anyone who is poor is poor because they are lazy, and shouldn’t have a voice at all! They are poor because they cannot afford to attend 4 year colleges, or can’t find a job because Mitt Romney just shipped their factory to China, and stole their pensions they worked for thirty years to receive with him, while the Red State Governor did not rebuild the holes left behind! They blame the pensions, that should have been in a lockbox, the corporations have been robbing from!
            Your inability to deal with a whole picture astounds me! Your cockeyed view of the haves, who mostly inherited their wealth (*Cough*) the Koch Brothers, and the Waltons who make as much as the bottom 40% of all wage earners in our nation each year, leaves me to believe you are stupid, or sociopathic in you desire to protect the rich, at the cost of our national identity of a pursuit of happiness for all of our citizens, based on the greed of those who care nothing for this nation, but only for the riches they can harvest from her!

          • tax payer says:

            You are talking like, if every rich person has a Business, but some are plain folks that are rich and don’t have to help anyone since they have their wealth because of their hard work. Sure, there are rich people with Businesses, but they have their Businesses to make money. I was lucky to get a good paying job and with no College Degree, but hard work pays off in some cases. I could have given up and said I’ll be poor, and I’ll let the tax payers support me, but your children follow your example. I didn’t want them to be like that or their children and so on. I started off at $1.25 an hour in the late 60’s and was able to support my mom and sister until my brother too helped out.

          • EZ2figure says:

            These 46% of Americans, at, or below, the poverty line are no different than you! You were lucky in the 60’s, the same as me! I worked for McDonald’s for a year for one dollar an hour and got a nickel raise! That may be why I do not believe in sociopathic greed! I moved on, served 1968-1972 during Viet Nam, and worked my way up, in companies that still were willing to pay fair wages, while unions still provided competition for the private companies to compete for the same good workers, unlike now, where the unions have been decimated and wages have followed them down identically! You must remember all the years when you could make a hundred grand with little college education, because you had businesses willing to train you, not expect you to walk in and work miracles, because they have become the lazy rich! It’s just not the same easy path today it once was! It”s not the fault of the guys at the bottom! It’s the guys at the top, who lost their way, and now are grabbing every last cent before abandoning this ship!

          • dpaano says:

            I, too, made a whopping $375/month in the 60’s, but today is NOT the 60’s. Wages have gone up, costs of living have gone up, everything is more expensive than it was in the 60’s. This is NOT the 60’s…..you need to look at today and not the past!

          • tax payer says:

            I can afford to live in the Present and lived in the past ( without any help ). I went to the store today and three people in front of me got their food free of charge. I had to pay $134.00 cash and why should they get the food free, and you and everyone pay for their food? I can afford it, but it makes no sense people that ( refuse ) to work getting free food. Refuse is the key Word.

          • dpaano says:

            Do you know what their financial situation was? Did you bother to ask them? Some people need food stamps….they have been out of jobs for over a year (not due to anything that they are doing). Until you walk in their shoes, you have no right to judge them! Not everyone getting food stamps are people who refuse to work! Why do you insist on putting everyone in the same basket? Get a life, okay?

          • tax payer says:

            I was in their shoes, but never begged for assistance from the Government. ( tax payers ) to be exact. Their situation may be ( too many mouths to feed ). I only Judge those that refuse to work ( not those that lost their jobs ).

          • tax payer says:

            I was born to a poor family, but we made it without the help of the tax payers. I paid my bills on time and have never been denied credit. I have a good credit score in the high 790’s and mind you I am not rich, but pay whatever I owe on time. The poor don’t save money and, if they did they would notice how easy it can become a small fortune in due time.

          • InsideEye says:

            Tax payerMy compliments to your rising out of the Ashes and supporting yourself, I did the same as well as my grandparents. I was even laid off , but did not take benefits, made calls and finally found a night job to get something going. Finally got back onto it, got loans and worked got 3 degrees and owe nothing. It can be done. I do help those that are down…I know what is was …but if you don’t put out an effort, do not ask me for anything .

          • tax payer says:

            I congratulate you for getting three Degrees. I have none since I didn’t have time to go to college, but by working hard I learned many skills and earned extra money on the side. People think because they didn’t go to college they aren’t going to succeed, but they can make it. You have to work double hard because of the lack of a Degree.

          • InsideEye says:

            It is true, but if you are a trades person Or as you say , a hard working Individual , you will be recognized. Think of 2 types who are noticed in the workplace…1-.people who put out and 2- those who are noticeable loads on the system. We are all vulnerable to layoffs and technology changes. You are well spoken and you have my admiration as well as others. ….you present your arguments well and are persevering on making good points. I see why you made it.

          • EZ2figure says:

            46% of our nation work at, or below, the poverty line! Congratulations on your lucky advancement into the black, but almost half of our workers are offered wages that don’t allow them to move up! Greed abounds when people forget some poor guy made the part you may have engineered, and you never thanked him for it, with a decent wage! I am lucky, too, in the respect I ran Disney projects and GM projects and had good companies behind me, but I refuse to forget the people that did the work next to me! I refuse to forget the retirees that came out for my cutover to make sure every problem got resolved and we had few problems with 144,00 telephones and data systems going live in one day! When we work together, everything is possible! The rich don’t get it! They are the ones who have become lazy, and hire attorneys to do their work, while they flit around like fairies, always seeking the cheapest labor rate, and ignoring the nation that made it possible in the first place!

          • charleo1 says:

            You know those useful idiots I was talking about? I was raised
            by poor people. Let me tell you, nothing came free. They outworked every rich bastard in the county. Run by the same
            ass licking politicians we see in T-Party today. I watched my
            Grandfather die of a preventable heart attack at age 61,
            because the stinking ass licking GOP held up the Medicare
            program that could have provided the treatment as a hard
            working, tax paying American he deserved. Until you’ve
            lived in poverty buster, I’d suggest you keep your mouth off
            poor people you know nothing about.

          • tax payer says:

            I wasn’t born rich, but poor and I made a promise to have a better life for my mother since our father died, when I was only one year old. We lived in poverty, but our mother never asked the Government to feed us. She worked while we attended school and I made her stop working as soon as I Graduated from High School. It was hard working two jobs, but my brother and I took over the family expenses. I wasn’t about to let her to continue working. These days we have to support men and their families because ( why work ), when the tax payers can take care of you is their thoughts. Are these the poor people you are talking about?

          • EZ2figure says:

            So what! Now that you achieved your success, you feel it un-necessary to give a hand up to those you surpassed because you are a special American, who deserves more because you happened to get lucky, or your uncle taught you a trade, or your parents could afford to pay for your college, or they died and left you a fortune? Are we not all brothers and sisters, sharing this planet? Or should we divide the rich, enslaving the poor, making the rich richer with all of the tax loopholes that no poor person has access to?
            Why should a rich man stop paying onto Social Security, just because he makes more money than the cap, while those making less have to contribute into the fund on every dollar they make, for their entire lives?

          • tax payer says:

            I am just a regular person like everyone else except I worked and didn’t expect the tax payers to be there for me. Why can’t people understand ( we shouldn’t be there for everyone ) because they will get used to it and will never make an effort to find work.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Good for you! I did not expect anyone to pay my way either, but in these times when 6 people have to compete for each job, there are five losers! According to you, it’s because they are lazy! Maybe it’s because their unemployment benefits are greater than the money they are offered and they are holding out for a better job! You do know that if you take a crappy under paying job, while on unemployment, your rates will be cut if you re-apply! Well, it’s the system, gaming the workers! They are forced to play the game to survive! Just like the rich, they have learned to get by, using whatever loopholes apply to their income level! Why look down your nose at them, when they are far less detrimental to our nation than the rich who refuse to re-invest their profits into jobs for these folks, but instead put their money into hedge funds that gamble on the price of oil, doing nothing but raising the price of gas for all Americans!

          • charleo1 says:

            Ah, the Republicans are cowards, and will bully their own
            Country right back into the third world, if allowed. Wages
            will never be low enough. Regulations will never be loose
            enough. People will always have too many Rights to suit
            the corporate types. They will always welcome the bigots,
            the anti-government/anti-American knuckle draggers. And
            have on hand a group of frightened usefully uninformed
            loudmouths, to whip up support for the next scam to be
            inflicted upon the Country for power, and profit. Now,go
            out and vote them in again! Idiots.

      • Leftout says:

        Theodore Roosevelt

      • metrognome3830 says:

        Oh, never mind! I won’t send the memo to Rand Paul. Your Libertarian credentials are safe.
        Enjoy your weekend! I’m taking Mrs. Metro out for Italian food. To show my appreciation to her for running my ass off for the last five weeks . . . uh, wait a minute . . . She runs me ragged for five weeks, and I’m taking her out to dinner . . . you’re right, I’m not too swift, am I.

      • ralphkr says:

        No, metrognome3830, Bozo is quoting FDR’s cousin Theodore Roosevelt who left the Republican party and started his own party because the Republicans had abandoned their liberal ideals and and were becoming the conservative party and trying to turn the clock back….just like today.

        • metrognome3830 says:

          Yes, Leftout pointed out my error. It still puzzles me that OMG is quoting either Teddy or Franklin Roosevelt. He doesn’t believe the Republican party ever abandoned their liberal ideas or turned progressively more conservative until some began their metamorphosis into radical right wing Tea Partiers.

    • EZ2figure says:

      Hmm, only an idiot Republican? I always thought they were one, and the same!

    • roguerunners says:

      IGNORANT!

    • tax payer says:

      We have too many Advocates that are American citizens and they fight for the illegals. They must have some illegals in their families to be so concerned about changing our Immigration Laws. There isn’t anything wrong with our Immigration Laws, but the illegals want us to think it’s Broken, so they can have a a chance to be among us. I have news for you ( they have been among us for decades ) and it’s about time they leave, and go back to their country.

  5. Dominick Vila says:

    I suspect the Republican leadership is well aware of the fact that many Republicans are willing to do the right thing and vote for comprehensive immigration law reform. That is precisely why the GOP leadership refuses to debate the Bill, make changes to it, and put it to a vote.
    The Bill written and passed by the Senate includes more than just amnesty, it also addresses the need to change our current immigration laws to make it possible for tens of thousands of Mexican and Central American migrants to enter the country legally to satisfy the demand that exists for people with their skills and work ethics.
    Opposition to this bill is not influenced by logic or legislative difficulties, but by the fear of not being re-elected if they challenge the wishes of groups such as the White Supremacists, the KKK, and every insecure American who considers cultural changes the end of our values and way of life.
    BTW, I support a solution similar to Sen. McCain’s guest worker proposal over amnesty for those who violated our immigration laws, regardless of how flawed and unfair those laws may be.

    • tax payer says:

      I think we know how to clean our toilets and cut our own grass, so they can go back, and we won’t miss them.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        You will miss them when the choice is you plowing and harvesting the land or importing the food we eat from countries like Mexico.
        In addition to doing work that most of us don’t want to do, many of them help keep our social programs solvent when they use fake social security numbers and have FICA and other taxes deducted from their paychecks without ever being able to collect the benefits they paid for. Allowing 11 million illegal immigrants to come out of the shadows and be able to buy a house as legal residents (not necessarily as citizens) would boost the real estate sector and would stimulate the economy. It would also help reduce our deficits as people who are currently getting paid cash for the work they do become eligible to minimum wage, pay Federal taxes, and enjoy the protection of labor laws.
        The reason people like you refuse to allow immigrants from Mexico and Central America to enter the USA legally has nothing to do with social and economic consideration, and a lot to do with the reason you hate our incumbent President.

        • tax payer says:

          They own houses already, bur are still illegals. Their children have been allowed to stay here for two years, but the parents never made an effort to leave, so what does that tell you. They plan to stay forever.

        • charleo1 says:

          A good example of common sense, aganist knee jerk nihilism.
          A whole lot of, we can’t, we must not, and it will never work.
          Part of the reason Mr. Tax payer there is so opposed to any
          legalization, or even legal standing for the 10 to 12 million
          working, and living in the shadows, is he believes the pie just
          isn’t big enough to accommodate them, and him too. It might
          be called the, “That’s mine, syndrome.” It’s rife throughout
          the GOP rhetoric. We can’t afford healthcare for everyone,
          because there isn’t enough money. We can’t tax corps. because they won’t then have enough money to invest. We can’t allow the immigrant a path to citizenship, because there are not enough jobs, and then I would have to compete with them. Or, my kids would. In order for the GOP to make all it’s political points, the economic pie must remain a static thing. Never increasing in size, but getting smaller with each job. Which job creators create, not because of need. But, because they like you, or they feel sorry for you, or they are feeling charitable. Or, they received an additional tax break. Because in the political world of GOP economic misinformation, that is the only way any business increases it’s cash flow. The idea that jobs, and consumer demand are in any way related, is never in the messages they receive from GOP Central. The concept of an economy improving in any way other than reducing the size of government lowering taxes, and, eliminating regulations, doesn’t exist in Mr. Tax Payer’s world. Because the GOP has never told him about it. In fact, they have told him, President Obama’s message that we are a Country of immigrants. Or, that we all do better when anyone who works hard, does the right thing, no matter who you are, or where you came from, gets a shot at the American Dream, is pure Socialist propaganda, and should be dismissed immediately!

          • tax payer says:

            So, in that long explanation are you for deportation or letting them have your job in the future?

          • charleo1 says:

            Absolutely neither. There is certainly no reason for a blanket,
            one size fits all solution to the immigration problem. In reality,
            the immigration problem is a bunch of smaller problems that
            can be taken on, and addressed one by one. First, there is
            identification. This is our job, our Federal Government’s job,
            to know who’s within the borders of our sovereign Country.
            This can be done by a process, where in ICE concentrates
            on those few businesses that do 90% of the hiring of new
            immigrants. This will be opposed vigorously by the agriculture
            lobby, the builders, and construction industries, and the
            hospitality industries. Hotel, motels, and other low pay, labor
            intensive sectors. It’s not complicated, except for the politics.
            Secondly, we need to change our SS cards, to something
            much more difficult to reproduce. Cards haven’t changed
            since when? SS was enacted? Another process. Then, we
            can start winning cases brought aganist those who insist in
            continuing to hire people without out documents, or fake ones. Thirdly, there must be incentives for the immigrants,
            beyond stricter ID enforcement at the workplace. Make a
            pathway certain for those with ties, and clean records, for
            work visas, that require renewal throughout a process of
            a decade. Where, they are assured, if they come forward,
            their children. born outside the Country, will also be protected. They will receive in-state tuition, be able get
            driver’s licenses, and apply to start the same process, with
            the same guarantees. Reveal true identities, stay out of trouble, and in the system. Look, the longer we wait, the
            more difficult this all becomes. We needed to start 20 years
            ago. And here we sit, no closer to addressing the issue,
            than ever before.

          • InsideEye says:

            Great Charleo, but it will never pass , your great one page immigration bill, has to be laden with earmarks and pork and paybacks to locals in parent districts. Your proposal does not fit the current 2000 page Pelosi requirement of unreadable matter that has to be passed before we will Know what is in it. . If you are doing nothing can you go to D.C. (Dark Continent) and represent us. We will support you. Bravissimo .

            I agree , the laws are already in place, just ID EVERYONE, have them pay taxes, thereby support education,and healthcare. Eventually they can vote when they meet eligibility requirement. They are quite happy working , and sending money back to help family in Mexico or where ever, illegals are not only a Latin problem. I believe that 60 % Are over stayed visas from many countries. If all are ID’d they will accrue benefits to their name /account and contribute to their healthcare and educational needs. Toooo Simple.

        • tax payer says:

          We can’t even bring an orange across the Border, but H E B can and they’ll stiff us with triple their cost of the orange.

        • tax payer says:

          I’ll hire a low income person to do the job for me, but only part-time, so I don’t have to provide Health Insurance.

        • tax payer says:

          They’ll become eligible for minimum wage and I hope not for any other benefits that the people now earning minimum wage get for being low wage earners.

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          You’re wrong, Dominick. I will not miss them.

    • tax payer says:

      30 years from now other illegals will say we have a Broken Immigration System and 25 years later their grandchildren will say the same thing. A cycle that will never stop rolling.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        The only thing the Mexican and Central American immigrants want is to be treated the same way we treat immigrants from other parts of the world and enjoy the same opportunities we extend to other people, including those who come from countries that have either been our enemies and those who still hate our guts. The irony is that while we deny those willing to plow and harvest our crops and do work that most of us refuse to consider, we don’t hesitate to give entry visas to people like the terrorists that carried out the 9/11 attacks or the Tsarnaev brothers.

        • tax payer says:

          They are treated fairly, if they come in legally. Those that want us to change our Laws to ( benefit them ) are not being fair to their countrymen that have been waiting in line for years to become permanent residents. I am for those to stay and work in this country, but they deserve it since they have patience, and did it the legal way.

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      Dominick:

      The illegals don’t solve any needs. They’re a bunch of leeches who send a large part of their earnings back to their third world hell holes. They are also increasingly adding to the crime problems in the United States because of their penchant for engaging in the drug trade.

      The quicker that we get rid of this human crap the better off will be the American people. Wages will rise and the middle class will be in the ascendancy.

      • Dominick Vila says:

        Generalizations seldom reflect reality. Most of the illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America work in the agricultural sector where their labor is poorly compensated both in terms of wages and benefits, and where their work ethics are appreciated by most employers.
        Their willingness to do jobs that most of us refuse to even consider contributes to our low inflation rate, the high profits made by their employers, and a relatively low cost of living compared to that in other industrialized nations where modern-day slavery is illegal.
        I don’t know a single middle class American interested in plowing the land and harvesting crops, regardless of what the pay may be. The same goes for meat packing facilities and what is left of our garment industry.
        Without them, everything we consume would be imported. Yes, some send part of their earnings to their families, pretty much the same way Americans working overseas send part of their earnings to their families at home.
        I don’t favor a path to citizenship for people who broke our laws, regardless of how flawed and unfair those laws may be, but I believe something must be done to ensure the children of illegal immigrants born in the USA are considered citizens, consistent with the 14th Amendment, and children brought to this country when they were young are not penalized because of a crime committed by their parents.
        As for some of them being drug dealers, that problem would not exist if so many Americans did not buy and consumed illegal drugs. Stereotyping is not a good thing, more often than not it is a cop out to avoid the tough decisions that society must made, if the goal is to move on and enjoy the respect of other nations.

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          Dominick: Your words sound lovely, but they just gloss over the unpleasant reality.

          These people are swarming out of their crappy third world countries to our first world country to grab whatever they can. They don’t care if they put Americans out of work: they’re in it for themselves. I don’t know where you got your “plow the land” example from, but it’s baloney. If employers offered a living wage for menial but necessary work, they would find Americans willing to do it. It’s all about money, Dominick.

          I also object to your loose use of statistics: “Their willingness to do jobs that most of us refuse to even consider….” “Most”? How do you know “most” Americans would refuse to consider those jobs at a fair compensation level?

          I agree with you on the drug problem. I believe that the solution to that problem is the draconian measures that Red China took to solve its drug problem: All drug dealers were summarily executed. Users were put into rehab programs. Those that went back to drugs were summarily executed.

          Dominick: I also object to your sympathy for these criminals, although I agree that you’re far from alone in that. I have no sympathy for them. I only care about Americans and that goes for their “anchor baby” children as well. I favor a Constitutional amendment that would deny citizenship to any offspring of people who entered America illegally.

          Deny them the ability to make money and they will leave. If they don’t leave, then incarcerate them under the most vile conditions until they do leave. Oh, as to the sleazy business people who finance this plague: prosecute them and then fine and jail them to the fullest extent of the law.

  6. highpckts says:

    I know! Let’s deport every damn one of them and let you guys pay for it! How about that?Geez! Come up with a solution or quit complaining!

    • joejo says:

      would be a lot cheaper to deport every damn one of them rather than support them for the rest of OUR lives…..that would be a one time fee…rather than a re-occurring event…..and would make the playing field for better paying jobs…if you can’t get cheap labor, then you pay what you really should be paying workers to begin with….an honest days pay for an honest days work…or has that concept escaped everyone?

      • Leftout says:

        There are I million voters that will volunteer times ten passenger, done in no time.

      • roguerunners says:

        Just another thoroughly ignorant one. Actually if you would just open your mind for a minute and think about it…Mexico is in fact connected to this continent. Therefore THEY were here FIRST! THEY are the TRUE NATIVES before “the others” came here and made BORDERS!

        • tax payer says:

          So, why don’t they act like humans?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Because they come from a stinking country that treats its people like dirt. They think that’s the norm, so they don’t fight it. They just try to escape from it.

            They’ve been kicked around so much that they think like the people who are subjugating them.

          • tax payer says:

            They kick no one out in that country. Those that come to our country are people ( especially ) men that escape from their wives and children, and find another woman in in the USA. They forget about their Past and start a new life here with another woman. I know it’s true because they’ll tell you once they are too drunk to know what they are saying. Make a friend with one of them and ask them, if they have family in Mexico, but get them drunk first.

    • tax payer says:

      Let them sneak back in to their Mexico as they did coming to our USA and there will be no expense by us.

  7. CPAinNewYork says:

    I don’t support the current immigration reform bill because it makes a mockery of our immigration laws. I want to see it defeated. The proposed statute provides those who sneaked into this country with a preferred path to citizenship.

    I also want to eliminate the practice of dual citizenship. Citizenship involves loyalty and one cannot be loyal to two countries. The argument that citizenship is just a legal designation is pure crap. Anybody who presently has dual citizenship with his or her American citizenship should be required to disavow it and declare only American citizenship

    • tax payer says:

      I too don’t care for it, so let’s hope they vote it down.

    • charleo1 says:

      You know I live in S. Fl. And I can drive 15 minutes from my house and see
      the immigrants working in the fields for the people who have made the real
      mockery out of immigration laws. These same people also want to see the
      reform defeated. They like the fact, they can work the right-less immigrants,
      stick the profits in their pockets, and the community at large, can pay for their healthcare, schooling, the insurance-less drivers. While the Country can bear the shame of still allowing, 200 years after the abolishment of slavery, the continued, illegal exploitation of a group of people within our own borders. How loyal is that? How little pride in their Country does it
      take? And I’ll tell you something else. We need immigration reform, and a solid, hard to counterfeit National ID. The world has over 2 billion people living on less that $1.25 a day. They would all come, and many might, if we drag our feet on immigration. When Reagan granted amnesty to the approx. 4 million immigrants in the Country at that time, he dodged a difficult issue.
      And 30+ years later we have an additional 10/12 million unidentified, or
      falsely identified people within the Country today. Are we going to stick
      are heads in the sand, to accommodate a few corporate interests, who love their low wage, no benefit, no responsibility required slave class, employees? While they continue to be able to under bid other business
      owners who are obeying the law? Talk about a mockery! It’s got to end.
      The free ride, the exploitation, the millions unidentified, the whole mess.

      • CPAinNewYork says:

        The reason that we are inundated with this third word refuse is that our scumbag business people love cheap labor. We can stop this by prosecuting the business people who exploit the illegals by breaking our labor laws. This will cause jobs to dry up and the illegals will leave voluntarily.

        The real issue is money and the love of it by traintrous business people.

        • charleo1 says:

          Well, I don’t have a doubt you’re absolutely correct.
          Of course it’s about the money. About the extra profits
          made by flouting the law, at the expense of everyone else.
          Now, I wouldn’t call these people refuse, for many many
          reasons. You got it right the first time. It’s about cheap
          labor, without legal standing to sue about anything. My
          strong feeling is, if we are a Country, living beyond our
          means. I could think of no better free ride to shut down
          than the illegal hiring, and exploitation of these Latino
          workers.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Do you have any feelings on how best to stop it?

            As I said in my posting, by prosecuting and fining and perhaps jailing the business scum that flout the law and take advantage of the illegals, we can cut off the illegals’ access to the money they came here for.

            That will drive them back to their third world hellholes. The first step is to go after the American business scumbags.

          • charleo1 says:

            Did you ever consider how an ATM machine can set out
            in the open, full of cash. Be accessible to anyone. But it’s
            your bank card attached to your account, among all the
            millions of other cards, that allows it to be able to make sure 99% of the time, the only person it gives money out of your
            bank account is to you? The reason we don’t identify these
            immigrants is not because we don’t have the technology.
            It’s because the business interests pulling political strings
            in Washington, while continuing the illegal hiring, do not want
            it used. That’s why I can drive a few miles from my home
            here in Miami, and observe an entire field of undocumented
            laborers, working away in plain sight of a major North/South
            Hwy. ICE has the Krome Detention Center about 5 miles
            North on the same road. There’s an understanding alright.
            Has been for years. Employers say, he gave me what looked
            like a SS card. What am I Immigration, and Border Patrol?
            Case closed. And so has it been forever, in the big farm
            country of South Florida.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Good posting, charleo1:

            Money talks. Your bottom line answer to my question is that there’s nothing that we can do about it, at least, not until the abuse gets a lot worse and a violent reaction happens.

            In the late nineteenth century in New York City, a corrupt Tammany politician named William Marcy “Boss” Tweed went further and further in his corruption until a political cartoonist named Thomas Nast started drawing pictures of Tammany politicians who were committing certain acts of blatant thievery.

            He published one that showed a fat Boss Tweed with depictions of various frauds involving New York City government and the caption “What are you going to do about it?”

            It galvanized the City’s “elite” to do something about Tweed’s corruption. I believe that the Times owners were part of the “lynch mob” that brought Tweed down.

            Maybe that will happen here. The corruption that attends the illegals situation will get increasingly worse until some crusader, perhaps a newspaper, takes on the problem and solves it. We can only hope.

    • tax payer says:

      I also don’t agree with it myself and really want it to be defeated at the House. Americans will have a tough time getting a job, if they are now unemployed. Only time will tell how bad it will be for the American people.

  8. judeso3 says:

    Not to long ago subdivisions of beautiful housing were being developed all across the land scape of America… Majority of the workers building these subdivisions had brown faces… When they were done they left… Maybe to build more subdivisions… I don’t know…

    American familes of various racial persuasions began to buy and move into their new housing… I am sure they must have been very happy at reaching their American dream… To live in their own homes…

    Later in time these very same subdivisions began to expose for sale and florclousure signs posted in front of them… I asked myself… What happened?
    The housing bubble had bursted…. Who to blame? The workers that built them, banks that financed them or the homeowner that couldn’t no longer pay…

    Immigrant workers documented or undocumented and that include those of us that immigrant descendants produce immense wealth that we will never get to enjoy due to greed that sweeps it from under our feet…

    Workers devided is more dangerous than a devided goverment

  9. EZ2figure says:

    Why shouldn’t those already working in the U.S., be allowed to stay and raise their naturalized children, who were born here, with full citizenship rights? What is with Republicans, who seem to need to always screw everyone they have any contact with?
    The immigrants, already here, and some have been here for decades, can certainly be fined, and forced to go through the citizenship process! Why do they need to be deported, too? Republicans just hate any race who votes Democrat! Isn’t that the real truth?
    Want common sense? Vote Democrat!

    • tax payer says:

      Illegals is the right term to call them and not Immigrants. The Republicans are doing it for you and your family since there aren’t too many jobs out there for Americans, and now the illegals will be able to take some of those jobs, if this Insane idea passes. Common sense is to help Americans first and no one else unless they come in a legal way.

      • EZ2figure says:

        Wordsmith Republicans! That’s all you know how to do! You do nothing constructive! You call out-of-workers lazy! You blame city failures on blacks, not the Red State governor that refuses to invest in new technology to replace the 88% of the jobs lost to Romney vulture capitalists! These folks came to America, whether legal or illegal, to make a better life for themselves! Many work in jobs, paying taxes and Social Security under false identification, so they are investing in America with no way to actually collect the Social Security they paid for because their SSN is not valid! They moved here, to get away from slave labor conditions in their country, while Republicans, opposing living wage legislation in this country, are lowering our standards to match! It is not the poor who ruin this country, but the rich, who refuse to pay fair wages that allow workers to buy the products industries would like to sell! So, in fact, Republicans are behind this race to the bottom, and we are almost there! Texas and other Red States are doing away with healthcare requirements for companies in their states! Woohoo! The Republican Healthcare plan; if you get sick, Die quickly!
        Want Progress? Vote Democrat!

        • tax payer says:

          If people want to earn a good wage they have to advance their eduction because minimum wages are for the uneducated. Jobs are being eliminated and Americans are losing them at a fast rate, and now Obama wants to leave all the illegals here to take most of the jobs. Sure, they have been using false papers, but in the future they will fight to get every penny they have paid and our Government is so stupid it will give in to them. What you say is because you are a Democrat and naturally you’ll be defending them, but Republicans believe you have to be there for yourself, and not expect the Government ( tax payers ) to be there for you. The poor do ruin our country because they want and want, and never try to better themselves.

          • roguerunners says:

            Do you read your crap before posting it? Obviously not…or…perhaps you do and you are just thoroughly ignorant!

          • tax payer says:

            I think people need to work to have what they want, so maybe you are one of those that believes in having and not working to get it.

          • roguerunners says:

            I work. I pay taxes. However I see that all you do is sit at your computer and spew nothing worth reading. All day, every day. So who is the one not working?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Instead of posting insulting sound bites you should offer compelling arguments.

          • roguerunners says:

            If I thought it would do any good, I would. But people like you are so brainwashed and set in their ways. So it’s pointless to waste my time on someone like you.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You’re an idiot.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Have you ever tried to get a loan for a University, wondering if there will even be a job after graduation if you can even qualify, and then only if your parents can afford to co-sign? If you came from a poor family, would you expect your folks to shoulder 80 grand and more for housing, books, transportation, and curriculum just to go to college?
            Obama knows there are plenty of jobs to be had in America if the billionaires would not sit on it, and make it go to work! This is the best reason in the world to raise taxes upon the rich! Because the dribble down theory never worked! Republicans have been pushing that crap for decades and where are the jobs? Oh, it’s because our people are lazy, right?
            What we want from a monetary system isn’t to make people holding money rich; we want it to facilitate transactions and make the economy as a whole, rich! (Paul Krugman 2011)

          • tax payer says:

            There are people that paid as they went and had no loans to repay. It’s wrong to tax the rich more and you know it. If you were rich you wouldn’t like it one bit unless you are rich and don’t care to pay more .

          • EZ2figure says:

            Sorry, your words are hollow, just like every right wing zealot who believes they are entitled to use more gas, use more electricity, cause more pollution, heat bigger homes, and blame the high prices on the poor, who have nothing and you attack them because they are defenseless!
            The tax rate for the rich is supposedly 39%, but the reality, because of dividend investments, is that they average 12.2% in reality, far less than the poor and Middle Class pay, you friggin’ whiners!
            Our economy did great when the rich paid 90%, and the wealth was spread out to our whole nation, where most people could afford a home, not just the top 20%! So quit your whining, you money hungry fascist! You are more interested in wealth! It’s all you talk about! It’s mine, mine, mine! I deserve it! Weren’t you ever taught the virtues of sharing?
            Didn’t Jesus tell the tale of the good Samaritan, who shared half his loaf with a starving man?
            Your views are anti-American!

          • tax payer says:

            For the record I don’t have a high income and only make it with what I have, and it’s not much, but I know how to budget to make it last. I have never believe that crap about a Jesus, so don’t throw that toward me. You are what you want to be and, if you don’t want to succeed why should we be there for you. Where do you get all those figures? I never add money to my electric bill to help the less fortunate because some may have more money, but don’t report it. I don’t bother to look up who gets more or who gets less because you get what you worked for in this country. If people are happy being poor it’s their right as it’s our right for some of us to not be in their situation.

          • EZ2figure says:

            No one wants to be poor, idiot! We are all products of our society! In a craven society, where the rich step on the down-trodden, it divides us! No society divided can prosper! It takes common effort to succeed and you just live in a bubble, ignoring the pain you promote!

          • tax payer says:

            If you don’t want to be poor you have to do something about it. I did, but not to become rich, so I worked and worked, and now I can relax and enjoy life. So, what is so wrong in working hard and trying to get out of being poor? I won’t reply to your responses anymore because you have nothing to say.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Interesting that you use the term “anti-American,” a relic of Joe McCarthy.

          • jack says:

            no a 90% tax rate is un-american thats communism at it’s best!

          • jmprint says:

            Does John Birch Society sound familiar, since the 50’s!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            And the first step in accomplishing that is getting rid of the illegals.

          • tax payer says:

            That does make some sense.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Thank you.

          • tax payer says:

            What, if people that are rich don’t have a business and want to keep making money off their savings by earning interest? They have no reason to use their money to take a chance to open up a business and maybe lose money, so damn, if you do and damn if you don’t. I don’t understand why the rich would be taxed more because it’s like being punished for being rich. I agree jobs are needed, but don’t expect every rich individual to be there unless they truly want to open a business and it would be to make more money. I know you may get mad, but this is reality and no one can force anyone to have a business, so others can have a job.

          • EZ2figure says:

            The problem with the rich is the fact that they invest in hedge funds, managed by shady characters on Wall Street, who play the commodities game, making the price of gasoline and pork bellies skyrocket, but providing good returns on investment!
            But they do nothing for paying off the national deficit or funding government services! Republicans forget that government is designed to serve the people! By removing the funds that fund government, it serves very few, and the way the Tea Party is going, it will be doing even less! Maybe our Latino friends and the minorities are what will save this nation from the Republicans who serve at the pleasure of the elites! Maybe we should join them, and learn to co-exist, instead of threatening their families with deportation and using stop and frisk tactics to keep them off the streets! After all it is the minorities, and the Middle Class who funds all the national debt! We pay a much higher percentage of our total wealth into the system than any rich man does! And we do it using less energy, with a smaller carbon footprint, too!

          • tax payer says:

            The illegals have been here for decades and I don’t see the deficit going down, but up, so have they helped to bring it down? Most illegals will get minimum wage jobs, if Immigration Reform passes and that’s not going to bring down the deficit. The only jobs open now are minimum wage pay and either they take those or worked for cash as they have been doing for years.

          • EZ2figure says:

            The deficit isn’t dependent on who does the jobs! It is dependent on the amount of taxes we can collect versus the amount our government spends, generally! I say “generally” because government does not act like a typical business! Since our government has control over the money supply, and can print money, it has additional capabilities a business does not. Of course, the more people that are working always pays more taxes into the local, state and federal tax system, and the more they make adds to that, but in a way, so does being unemployed, where every dollar we receive gets spent, keeping our money circulating, generating taxable income each time those unemployment checks get spent, as well.
            On average one dollar of unemployment creates almost $1.65 in taxes, from some sources I have seen.
            Some ways to pay down our national deficit is to make money from exports, too. The more exported goods we sell, the more profit and the more taxes are generated!
            Ending the wars will slow jobs in war industries, but can be shifted to the green, technology research, and infrastructure jobs we need here, instead of over there! Building things we can use here, like better bridges, better highways, creates jobs, just like war department jobs, and more taxable income, because it is spent here, not over in a foreign country.

            We generate taxes on imported goods, made by our corporations in Romney Enterprise Zones, in China! They get tax breaks for off-shoring labor, so they can build an I-phone stylus for 10 cents, sell it to their own LLC for 10 dollars and 10 cents, ship it from the LLC to Staples, where it is sold for eleven bucks, where they can claim they only made 90 cents on it, since they don’t have to show the 10 bucks they have successfully hidden from our treasury department, because the U’s. does not know who sold it to the LLC, since they are offshore. That profit has been stripped out in the manufacturing-to-LLC transaction, hidden in a Swiss account! To make matters worse, Bain Companies, and Wal-Marts, and many American-based conglomerates strip most of the profits out on all their goods coming into the US, in LLC’s, lowering the money supply in the states, and leaving little in the communities for the communities to survive on, because the profits are not spent in the U.S. The same can be said for foreign goods, not made by American corporations over seas, who do have to pay import taxes, but rarely help our economy as much as we need them to. Economists estimate there could be more than thirty trillion un-taxed American dollars, hidden, doing nothing to circulate and build our economy!

            Going back to Staples for a second, let’s say they sell the stylus for a 90 cent profit, because they played the LLC game, but they also keep track of the cost of doing business, the cost of the utilities to do the business, along with building leases and on and on and on! If they play the LLC game correctly, they can show they are losing money, and manyh of our largest corporatkions are claiming losses at least one year out of five, and get big tax breaks on their tax bills, allowing them to pay zero taxes on the profits made from the LLC-to the mainland transactions, with clever book-keepers. Do you understand what I am saying?
            The game is rigged, so that the rich, and the corporations pay little into our economy versus the amount of money that is flowing out of our country, being hidden off-shore! The goal of these corporations, of course is to get another Republican into the White House and declare amnesty on the trillions of dollars, to allow them to bring that money, untaxed, back in to United States, while the fair thing to do would be to tax it on its way in, or to change our money supply, forcing them to produce the currency to be taxed when it is traded for the new currency! Currently, a bill that Obama tried to pass would have stripped the tax breaks for shipping our labor off-shore, and generated tax-breaks for American jobs coming back from overseas, but Republicans, again, killed the bill!
            It’s not the illegals, man! It’s the rich and their sociopathic greed to own it all, like that’s going to make this a better country, when we all know our wages have dipped since the unions have ben stripped of power! Our wages are low because we have people, having to compete for low pay, which the rich endorse! They do not want a society where corporations have to compete for the talent with unions, or from a society where everyone is working, having to compete to steal the best talent from each other, while they blame Obama for slow job growth! Does this make any sense to you?

            In answer to your original question, since Grover Norquist has every Republican electee sign a blood pact to never raise taxes on the rich, we stumble along, year after year, paying down our debt slowly, because Republicans refuse to allow us to collect more taxes. or they will be replaced by a Tea Bagger in the next election, supported by guess who, Grover Norquist!

            If President Obama could pass a law forcing corporations to provide higher minimum wages, or force those corporations, like Wal-Mart to pay a higher living wage, which would save the government and you and me from having to subsidize Wal-Mart worker’s healthcare and unemployment checks, then we could make better progress, but Wal-Mart is flexing their muscles and saying “No!” so far!

            Staying on the wage issue, it doesn’t matter again, who is making the wages in this nation as long as they are spending the money and allowing our money supply to generate taxes each time each dollar is spent in our communities! Illegal immigrants spend money on coffee and cokes, and housing and gas, and electricity and food, just like everyone else. If they are working under the table, they may get off state or federal tax free, but it means someone has to give them cash instead of a check that can be followed back to the point of origin, if you know what I mean! Many illegals pay into the Social Security system, bolstering it, without ever having a chance to get anything from their false numbers for all they have contributed. So they represent a net gain to our circulating money supply. I will agree that in border towns, the illegals have a bigger impact on construction jobs, because they cross the borders with their fake ID’s to work, then go home on the weekends! I will agree that those are the illegals we should both be interested in stopping, as do most Latinos, who live in this country legally! No one profits when the money never gets circulated inside this nation!
            It’s just that the disparity between a few million illegal aliens, making crappy wages in meat packing, or picking, or in yard maintenance isn’t that big of a drain on our economy, compared to the trillions, hidden off-shore, never put into our paychecks! It is just a hot button Item righties use to fire up their base, to get them to go out and vote, while creating a new group of racists along the way! Later man, Hope this answers some of your questions, because I am done for this day!

            SO, to answer your very first question, Illegals contribute about as much to our communities as any person in the Middle Class, because all of our expenses are the same, unless we add luxuries like air conditioning, and expensive cars, or choose to live in huge houses! Illegals do not drag our system down, and if they do it is by a very small amount, when they get paid under the table, which the employer should be prosecuted for! Illegals do not add to our carbon footprint, either, like the rich do with their fancy jets!

            The problem in this nation is the control of the House of Representatives, who has all of the power over every cent our President would like to collect or spend to affect the ability of our economy to pay off the deficit, while investing in new technology that puts more people back to work, generating more taxes, and also the power over where it gets spent, like in building bullets, drones, and bombs that there is no return on at all!

            This President has tried, with multiple bills, to fund high speed rail, rebuild schools, get internet access installed to all the farm communities, shoring up our energy networks, invest in new technologies, like Solyndra, that only failed when China dropped the cost of solar cells to stop them from being able to compete, and none of it can get by the Republican roadblock, that slows the circulation of money needed to generate more tax returns, and generating more money being spent on products corporations would like to sell to them! Hence it is taking a longer time to pay down the National debt!
            In spite of Republican opposition to everything Obama has tried to accomplish, each year, this president has lowered the amount of additional national debt every year he has been in office! So he has been working to cut costs, but trying to do it in a way that doesn’t put us back into a recession again! His stimulus plan worked great, but the Republicans stripped out most of the infrastructure and jobs he wanted to also create, to keep the money from flowing, making Obama into a hero. We cannot blame the President for the Congress not managing to craft one budget, while promising to shut down our government if we don’t pass a farm bill, without the normal funding for Food Stamps in it (that, by the way, helps to keep money circulating in the system)!

            George Bush, giving his seminars in the Caymans, coaching CEO’s on how to protect their profits from the U.S. tax service, certainly is not contributing to lowering our national debt, as well!
            In conclusion, what we need is higher wages for all of our workers, which unions can provide for, to circulate more money in the system, thereby creating more taxes, since the table is tilted away from corporations ever paying their fair share! By allowing the illegal aliens, who are here, to pay into the tax system legally, they can give us millions of additional tax dollars right away, as soon as they get their guest visas, and start their process of finally getting legalized! We need our borders secure, but ripping 11 or 13 million illegals out, along with their families, by the roots hurts the circulation of money in all towns, where too many, like some in Northern California, exist by growing the hidden economy, marijuana!
            We should give Obama credit for our economy doing rebounding, but so much more needs to be done for our workers, that could be done with a bi-partisan Congress of representatives working together to solve the problem, but, because of politics, and because of power struggle, and the elitists who control ALEC legislation, shoving it down our throats, the table is tilted against us in better wages, the fault of the greedy rich, and the CEO’s who must make more every year, even if it means we have to take cuts in pay, while the CEO gets his millions in bonuses to make his quota, and keep his job! We are screwed, and it is the Middle Class who must now stand up, and vote the republicans, who are currently the stumbling block to putting more people back to work, rebuilding America! What’s funny, is that Gingrich is saying it, while his Republican cronies are saying they want Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, and making promises to provide them, that never matches what they really do!

          • tax payer says:

            Sorry, but I dozed off trying to read so many sentences because one or two would have made the point.

          • EZ2figure says:

            I wouldn’t expect anyone to be able to grasp all that without a breather in-between! Please understand that humans, going to seminars, only retain 7 minutes of information, for each hour of training, which explains why we usually complain that the speakers are repeating themselves, when they are really giving us all our brains can handle each hour.

          • jack says:

            do you not understand printing money leads to massive inflation go back and study the weimar republic they tried printing money to pay off their debt then the citizens needed a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread jimmy carter printed tons of money those days in america were so great weren’t they?

          • jack says:

            if the government had not handed out so many loans people could not pay back so universities could jack tuition rates people could afford to pay for university themselves and would not need loans!

          • jmprint says:

            There are a lot of educated people in this world that are dumber then shit, but they had inheritance, so they will never know minimum wage, most of those are republicans.

          • tax payer says:

            So, Democrats are all poor and they don’t get any Inheritance is what I am reading. Poor Democrats, no wonder they want to work in Politics.

          • jack says:

            go to article “why are seniors turning on the GOP and look for the debate between jack and ez2figure and you will see this guy ez2figure melt down at the end because i ask Questions he can’t answer because the truth is something he can’t handle and he also has no grasp of history or reality! he is so filled with white guilt, hatred for the rich and msnbc propaganda he doesn’t know how to respond to someone who has a grasp of the facts and reality so he just attacks you personally and calls names typical behavior of a progressive/liberal/democrat when they are losing the debate

          • tax payer says:

            All I know we better hope Immigration Reform doesn’t pass because it’s going to make it harder for Americans to get jobs, when there will be twice as many competing for the jobs. I am retired, but I am still worry about the American people not being able to get any jobs in the future.

          • jack says:

            i agree immigration reform is the last nail in the coffin for america if they get that it’s communism here we come! but this ez2figure guy seems to be all for that you just can’t get him to admit it even though he wants a 90% tax rate and thinks if we could just make government bigger and fund it more thru taxation all our problems would be solved sounds like fascism/communism to me huh i tried to explain to him in one of my responses to him that the constitution says PROMOTE the general welfare not PROVIDE then he spends his next response calling me a communist 6-10 times when all i want is FREEDOM for the american people and to have the government defend us from a population invasion that if you ask any american indian he will tell you is just as dangerous as a military one.

          • jack says:

            soryy i did not tell you article is at the carville- greenburg memo

    • Leftout says:

      True, they can stay and apply for citizen ship afterwhich they can be allowed to vote, this seems fair.

      • EZ2figure says:

        Thanks for agreeing. These folks are already a part of our society now, because the feds have stalled the immigration system for decades. Many of these folks mow our lawns, and stand at Home Depots begging for a day job! We shouldn’t have to spend money deporting them, when they could be able to apply for a green card, and fulfill their pursuit of happiness, too. We all know they wouldn’t come here if their country wasn’t corrupted by the elites, the same way elites are trying to do here!

        • tax payer says:

          I don’t need any illegal to mow my lawn. Beggers they are, but once they have the right to stay here they’ll be like the Americans that beg for the Food Stamps.

          • EZ2figure says:

            I apologize. I forgot most of you Republicans are trailer parkers, with no lawn, and a big hate for anyone who can afford to own a house at all! I understand. Sorry, didn’t mean to ruffle your feathers. Of course you would never buy products at Wal-Mart, made with slave labor either, while you are out of work here, too!

          • tax payer says:

            Sorry to make you think I live in a Trailer Park, but I do own three homes and lease two of them to Democrats that don’t work, but Section-8 pays their rent.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Yeah, right! And I slept in a Holiday Inn and am about to go do brain surgery! The cheap prices at Wal-Mart are from the 37 buck a month labor the Waltons pay for in China, while they shifted all of our ma and pa company profits that used to stay in town, to hide in the Cayman’s where they don’t do anyone any good! You approve of slave labor! What’s that say about you? Thirty trillion dollars, exempt from tax, because of the Cayman Island loophole the Republicans won’t put on the table for a vote! Obama’s bill that would have fixed that would also have given tax breaks to the companies willing to bring the jobs back! Republicans just say “No”! What do they promote? Nothing for the poor! No way up for the Middle Class! Attacks on unions that provide the only balance to the billions held by the backers of the Republican Party! Republicans don’t care about America! They care about their own jobs in office, and whether they can become lobbyists afterwards! Why don’t Republicans fix that?

          • tax payer says:

            Why are you so worried about the poor? They do fine with all the Benefits they get from us. They keep making babies every 18 months or so, but you still feel sorry for therm. Start feeling sorry for the tax payers that have to support them at no choice of their own. So, what do the DemocRats do? They want to bring in more illegals, so they can take your job and that of your children for less pay.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Because jerks like you force them to have the babies they cannot afford to have! You want to block access to contraception and have a 20 week old fetus control the host, its mother! I feel for them, because they are us! You aren’t special, looking down your nose at them! You are craven!

          • tax payer says:

            You are wrong ( they makes babies ) to get more Benefits otherwise they’ll get no Benefits. Condoms are cheap. Maybe cheaper than a quart of beer. Abortion is wonderful to have in this country because it allows the women to eliminate a tax dependent.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Duhhhh! Key Word….Illegals! Why would they get baby benefits if they didn’t want to risk being sent back to wherever they came from! You righties make crap up, to justify hating the poor, rather than blaming the rich, who want to make us all poor!

          • jack says:

            no you want to make us all poor thru taxation! it’s already happening. of $ 700.00 in overtime uncle sam took $ 400.00 tell me how many hour of overtime did the benefit takers work for that money?

          • jack says:

            ever heard of not having sex with everybody willing to drop there drawers?

          • tax payer says:

            You can do brain surgery on those that need one, so go to the cemetery and dig one out.

          • Vance P. Frickey says:

            You’re arguing with someone who’d need to see a proctologist to HAVE brain surgery done.

          • jack says:

            you got that right this guy ez2figure’s head is so filled with hatred for the rich and white guilt there is no room for a brain

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You make good points about the Republicans and their penchant for enabling big business to sequester their profits tax free offshore. Unfortunately, by letting the illegals stay to undermine the wage level of the American worker, you help the very people that you’re condemning. It’s the business owners who are fueling the drive to let the illegals stay because it enables them increase profits through cheap labor.

            The pendulum has swung too far in this country. The rich are controlling twenty percent of the national wealth and that’s far too much. They must be stopped. Getting rid of the illegals is a good first step, but only the first.

          • EZ2figure says:

            There are two ways to resolve the immigration issue! We can tear families apart by deporting parents of naturalized American citizen children. Or we can allow them to say, and pay the penalty for coming here illegally, in fines, and making them stand at the back of the line! We have bi-partisan agreement! All we need is John Boehner to allow an up or down vote, but he is afraid, because the Tea Party will replace him if he does it!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Or we can pass a Constitutional amendment that denies citizenship to the illegals’ anchor babies, i.e. babies born to those who entered the country illegally are denied citizenship.

            Then, deny the illegals the means to earn money off the books and watch them scurry out of the country. As an added touch, prosecute all business people who paid illegals off the books and stick them in jail.

          • EZ2figure says:

            I bet you would endorse that line of thinking, wouldn’t you? The babies are American Citizens! Why would you change our Constitution, just to split parents from children? You are really warped!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Let all the refuse from Latin America stay and drag down the American common people’s wages, right?

            On the one hand, you’re a liberal. On the other, because you’re married to third world illegal immigration, you want to let more of them in. Business loves idiots like you.

            You don’t make any sense to me. I think that you’re a muddle headed liberal asshole.

          • EZ2figure says:

            CPAinNewYork, get over yourself! Your refusal to “GROK” anything many of us have tried to tell you, without anyone coming to your rescue should tell you who is lagging in this conversation!
            No one likes the idea of people coming into this country illegally! We all agree it is the government’s responsibility to defend our borders, but some things cost a hell of a lot, just to satisfy racist whiners, who chose to live on the border, who blame government, for them having to put up with what they got themselves into!
            I am not a liberal! I am a flaming Progressive who opposes almost all of what Republicans are trying to do to this country, and the namby-pamby Democrats, who do not stand up to them, for the sake of a few dollars more for the rich they bend over for, like you! You will never understand me, although I tried to be fair, but even your criticisms do not hold truth within them! You just twist the facts to suit your rant and political view! Are you related to Roger Ailles, or Rush Limpo? Were you beat by your dad? You have some flaw to your character, but I just can’t tell why you are filled with so much hate! Please remember, Jesus loves you! God Bless, and have a nice celebate life.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You’re opposed to illegal immigration, but you don’t want to stop it. Again, you make little sense.

          • EZ2figure says:

            You, CPAinNewYork are a circular firing squad idiot!
            I am opposed to illegal immigration! But we have families that are here, and I do not believe removing 11 million jobs will help our economy, because they are already here and have assimilated into our culture for too long to allow me to be the one to deport them now because Bush refused to do it on his watch! In fact, Bush wanted to give them Amnesty, too! But you would re-write history because you think people are as stupid as you! You just hate the fact they might vote your Rick Coat Hanger Perry out of Office! You oppose them because they came to America, OMG!
            So, instead of deporting the 11 million illegal “OMG” aliens that are here, and have been here for 15 years or 40, I would agree to build more hundreds of miles of your useless pink border fence, put polka-dots on it, double the Guards Obama has already doubled on it, since “do-nothing right Bush” was our President, by spending even more billions to cover that additional cost just to get Republicans like you off my back, while mercy-killing all of the animals you have sentenced to death by blocking their instinctive migration paths to water holes on both sides of the border, and recommend you be the first border guard to defend it, with your life!
            Then, since we would no longer have an Immigration problem, and if we could fix our INS with funds your Republicans refuse to spend, just because Obama is for it, we could fine the illegals who are here, have broken no new laws, other than having come here in the first place, and let them stay, with a work visa, and a path to citizenship they would have access to from the back of the immigration line!
            I would not tie them to my car, with their “anchor-babies”, with nooses around their throats, and drag them across the border” (your words, not mine)!
            On the other hand, maybe we should should just deport you and the Republicans to the Corporate LLC headquarters in the Caymans, lock you in, and watch you eat each other, because the corporation headquarters is the size of a small house, nothing more than 20,000 PO boxes in a tiny building! You could all fight over access to your PO BOX, and see what it’s like to be deported, when there’s not enough food to feed all of you, no matter how rich you are!
            Can you see my point now?

          • tax payer says:

            My suggestion is to deport the parents and let them take their anchor babies with them, and these babies as adults can come back at age 21 to figure out a way to bring their parents too.

          • EZ2figure says:

            That’s awful white of you!

          • jack says:

            tell me why can’t the children go back to the home country with the parents? then we don’t have to tear any family apart!

          • jmprint says:

            That’s because minimum wage is a controlled by the republicans.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You sound like the typical businessman who glories in hiring illegals off the books so that he can squeeze a few more bucks out of his people.

            You belong in jail.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Dude, should we start busing 13 million or more families to the border , dropping them off, and shutting down even more businesses in the U.S. while most of the children are Americans? Would you know how to survive if you were one of these kids? Get real!
            There are plenty of jobs to be had in America! All we need is a couple infrastructure Bills, new Seaport Bills. High Speed Rail Bills, and rebuild our schools bills, High Speed internet Bills, get ObamaCare started for a million more jobs bills, with a couple “keep your filthy hands off the teacher’s pension bills” tossed in for good measure!
            Remember, government prints money! Money invested in infrastructure creates jobs, enrichening communities, adding to the tax base of states and federal coffers alike!
            The problem we have is a Republican Party, whose pact with Grover Norquist to never raise taxes, at a time when we have a shortage of taxes, is contrary to the needs of our nation!
            Who cares if taxes go up, if you’re already a billionaire, unless you are a greedy sociopathic billionaire?

          • jack says:

            employing ILLEGAL aliens to mow your lawn for less than paying an american citizen is the modern equivalent of slavery. and you want to talk about wal-mart slave labor? i never saw the managers at wal-mart whip their employees. if the employees don’t like the wages they can go somewhere else and work can’t they?

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          So you want to make the American elites’ job easier by letting the illegals and their “anchor babies” stay. That way, we’ll permanently subject the American worker to a lower and lower standard of living.

          You sound like the typical American businessman that cares only for the extra profit that you can leech out of our already stressed economy.

          • EZ2figure says:

            The anchor babies, a racist “Republican term” of derision to make them seem less alive and worthy of consideration, even though they are as naturalized as any baby born in the states, per our Constitution, have every right to stay here!
            The question is, would you tear their families apart to satisfy this craven need for justice, while ignoring the injustice of the the people that hire them? Why is your hate always aimed at the poor? The poor compete for jobs! There are plenty of jobs if we get our economy moving again!
            Yes! Let them stay! Let them pay fines! Let them pay into Social Security and into our tax system! They are already here, working! I saw them many times, when I was in Construction in San Diego, where they were already taking our construction jobs, and no one was penalizing the companies that employed them! Why blame the poor, only looking for a job! Blame those who hire them, with the sociopathic greed, who are the true lawbreakers! Deport them!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            “Anchor babies” was coined by the illegals themselves.

            Craven need for justice? The point of my letter is to pass a Constitutional amendment denying citizenship to the “anchor babies,” thereby forcing them to leave with their parents. That satisfies your “horror” at breaking up families. As far as I’m concerned, the framers of the Constitution didn’t anticipate the illegals’ influx, so they left a loophole in the document as far as immigration is concerned. The birth requirement was intended to deny Alexander Hamilton the opportunity to become president. Who knew?

            As to your accusation that I hate the poor: Stop lying. You know very well that my animosity is toward the illegals.

            We agree on what to do about the business people who hire the illegals off the books. Prosecute them to the full extent of the law. They’re scumbags.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Well, isn’t that convenient now that the brown people are going to eat your lunch at the polling booths! Instead of learning to live with them, you run away, or threaten to deport those you benefitted from for centuries, just like the slaves, but now, there shall be no Republican Lincoln to give them the citizenship they crave because of the color of their skin? What a man you are!
            But you would be wrong! I am a descendant of the Lincoln Family line, and I choose to stand with the browns, and the blacks, and whatever rainbow colors that suit your racist desires, to rebuke you and your fear of getting a little of what you’ve been handing out!
            These folks have been hiding here too long to send them back now! They have whole communities, that you ignored, while craven capitalists made the easy profits with their labors!
            Isn’t it a little late to decide now is the time to send them back, when they stand to become our brothers and sisters, and proud to serve in our military, willing to die for common cause?
            You’re a dollar short and a day late! It’s now just a question of time before they get a chance at a path to citizenship! Do you want to be the Republicans Party that stood in their way, just like the Democrats did, starting a civil war? Seems like the roles have reversed and you need to choose a side!
            Apparently, you would take their American citizenship, the only one their children have, because they would belong to no other country if we did that! We would have no one to pick our crops, watch our food prices go through the roof, and you would point your finger at the Black President Obama, right?
            You can’t win this argument! I stand in your way, and I never give up! And my words are filled with truth, something that is hard to come by these days!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            History is replete with examples of people who welcomed interlopers only to be eventually conquered by them. You want to welcome people of color who have no right to be here? I do not. If you’re so anxious to be with them, then emigrate to their crappy countries. You will not be missed.

            You are what I refer to as a “shit liberal.” If you’re a descendant of Abraham Lincoln, then he must be turning over in his grave. Lincoln didn’t embrace the slaves. The Emancipation Proclamation was a political move by Lincoln. During his campaign for his first term he said that if emancipation would preserve the Union, he would enact emancipation, but if continuing slavery would preserve the Union, he would continue slavery. The thirteenth and fourteenth amendments were enacted after Lincoln’s death, so we cannot tell how he felt about them.

            You refer to the illegal rabble as “these folks.” You assert that they’ve been hiding too long to be deported. Wrong! They’re not hiding. They’re out there in full view. It seems as if they’re taunting us, asking us what we’re going to do about their criminal act. As far as their not being deported: You’re right. I wouldn’t deport that crap. I’d make life so miserable for them and their “anchor babies” that they’d be climbing over each other to get out.

            I’m glad that we had this confrontation, because it confirms my opinion of the advocates for the illegal crap that has invaded America. You and your ilk are a bunch of filthy traitors who should be hanged.

            One question: You assert that you’re descended from Abraham Lincoln. Are to a person of color?

          • EZ2figure says:

            I am not inviting any more immigrants to come to the United States! I never endorsed them coming in the first place, but they are here, none-the-less!
            You keep pushing “straw dogs” instead of understanding what I have tried, painfully, to get through your thick skull, that you are a racist! Your hate of colors makes it so! You are afraid of your shadow, because it is black!
            I grew up in a mixed environment and it is nice to walk down the street knowing the color of my skin has never been an article of derision, because I always treated everyone the same!
            I was the only white kid in an all black grade school and not once was I ever treated special, or without kindness!
            You are an exemption to the rule, because you are so set in your ways about an immigration status, that you ignored the volumes of reasons I gave you that immigration status of these people, who have lived here for decades, contributing to our communities, and paying taxes on every purchase they make, just like we do, should not matter as much as it does to you!
            The only differences are the color of their skin, and their point of origin!
            They are willing to pay the fines, and go to the back of the line! Why shouldn’t we grant them a work visa, too?
            We do it for every other immigrant coming to this country! Why not them, too? You aren’t telling me something, is why!
            Do you see why I call you a bigot! You twist your facts to justify your hate! Your lone “call to justice” is one that you can’t even agree is just an immigration system that needed resolution decades ago!
            You fail to see that deportation is not a solution to them! It is a death sentence! But you can’t see past your nose! You are blind to reality! You have no empathy for others, who share the planet with you, and you only live for one person, you! That makes you an egomaniac, on top of being a racist, on top of being irrational!
            The latest statistics show there are about 11 million “whatever you want to brand them as” to justify your hate!
            In regard to what Lincoln would have, or could have, done, he did what he did, and that’s what matters! Re-writing history to justify your stance doesn’t change the facts that he freed the slaves, who were brought here to serve Americans, as slaves!
            After our African population became illegal, Americans had to find other sources of cheap labor, so we had the Irish come during their potato famine, to work like slaves on the railroads, and Chinese, and Japanese, too! We had illegal immigrants from all over the world coming in, being proud to assimilate, but not really, as they still are just as proud to be Irish, or whatever country they hailed from today, as they were then! Remember the Italians, known as WOPS, because it stood for without papers? Were they not illegal immigrants, too? When I walk into a Korean market, to buy Japanese Siduko rice, and hear people speaking Korean, I do not call them out for not assimilating to American Standards, because they talk to me in English, since they are multi-lingual! I do not wonder if they are here illegally or not! I leave that to the market owners!
            I do not have my sun rise and set over fields of white flowers! I like fields of many colors, not just one!

            We always had a ready source of workers in the Mexicans, who owned Texas, and we plotted, and fought them to an uneasy agreement. The same happened in California, where we purchased Mexican land grants, some still held by the Dominguez family, to this day! They were here before us!
            So what if a few million are still here! Do you think there aren’t millions of Canadians here, too where no border fence exists, at all? Does it matter that much? Or, to a racist, does it just float your hate of dark skins?
            Do you think we don’t have Chinese, and Japanese, and every mix of mankind here illegally, today, too? Are you the product of a Mexican man mating with your mother? If not, then why are you singling them out as needing special treatment, with a fence? Have you ever worked with Mexicans? They work as hard as we do! Does that frighten you? It shouldn’t! They are not all drug delaers, you know! Every race has a bad element, but Mexicans are no worse than any other race! Look at the mafia, and the Russian mob, and the IRA, and Al Quieda! That doesn’t mean that whole races should be denied based on a few bad apples!
            There must be a reason you aren’t telling me, because you refuse to listen to reason in any form!
            I don’t look at the people with non-white skins, as if they are taunting us, as you seem to do! I treat them as fellow human beings! Why wouldn’t I!
            I didn’t grow up in a whitebread only town, so I cannot relate to your racism, although I have met many who display your same bigotry, many times! Most of the time, it is from people, who are immature, and they can only handle one set of facts, without tripping over themselves, blaming others always for their own shortfalls! You seem about the same, unwilling to find solution to complex problems, while you seem to hide behind your facade, because you are afraid to venture out! You blame them for taking your jobs!
            Well, Romney’s solution is to have you ask your parents to loan you the money to get a better college education, as if poor families have that kind of money laying around, just proof of another entitled American, who forgot his roots, too, blaming poor people for not contributing!
            Except these south-of-the-border folks are contributing!
            Let them pay their fines and be happy, to come out of hiding, and contribute even more to this fine nation of ours, before the rich turn us into a feudal society, with their ALEC laws making sure it happens!
            Try reading, “A Stranger in a Strange Land”, by Robert Heinlein! Learn what the term “GROK” means. I think you’ll begin to understand if you are willing to take that journey, instead of thinking you know everything, knowing very little!
            Until then, I am done with you! You have failed to learn one thing about compassion for fellow mankind, and are stuck in a bubble, which is why I call you a Republican, whether you are one or not!
            Your solution is not up for a vote! We have a solution passed by both Parties, if John Boehner has the guts to allow a vote to be taken! You and he are quite similar! You are both afraid to see what’s on the other side of the rock, because it might be a scorpion or a gold nugget, and to be safe, you refuse to look!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Your reasons are all false. Why shouldn’t the illegals be offered work visas and eventual citizenship? Because they sneaked in and because we have high unemployment and because of that, they don’t belong here.

            Your self-serving argument is simple: anyone who opposes illegal immigration is by definition a racist. Pretty effective if we were all as simple minded as you are. It’s crap like you who would ruin this country, given the chance. You’d turn the country over to a bunch of malcontents who want desperately to escape the hellhole they were born into, They’re taking the easy way out. What they should do is revolt and turn their countries into the country they want. But no, they prefer to invade us and turn America into a vast slum.

            I use the word “invade” judiciously. It is an invasion, especially where the Mexicans are concerned.They want to make the “reconquista” a reality. It’s taught in Mexican schools. At his inauguration, the president of Mexico said that Mexico will not tolerate the mistreatment of any Mexicans in the United States.

            I don’t know why the United States’ representatives at the inauguration didn’t spit in the bastard’s face and walk out immediately. Mexico can’t do anything but bluster. They even have the gall to protest our deportation of their illegals back to Mexico. And by the way, the Mexican government, hypocrites that they are, follow very restrictive immigration policies against their neighboring countries, like Guatemala.

            These are the people that you want to see take over America. You’re nothing but a shit liberal and a traitor. You stink. If I had my way, I’d put a rope around your filthy neck and drag you behind a car across the Mexican border.

          • jmprint says:

            And if I had a chance I would poke your eyes out, since your are blind anyway, it goes with your dark heart.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            And if I had the chance I would kick you in the balls.

          • jmprint says:

            Your’re not women enough!

          • EZ2figure says:

            Again with your “Straw Dog” argument that I promote aliens, coming here to take over this country! I do not wish that, but it is your only avenue of attacking my point of view, isn’t it?
            11 million brown, illegal people, spread out over the United States isn’t creating the slums! The Republicans, who value property, over the rights of people, create the slums, by creating the conditions of destruction of our cities, so their cronies can rebuild them, but not until they have failed, spitting out millions of people, in the process, bringing the property down in value so they can slip in, like the Carpet-baggers they still are!
            Have you read what I have responded to you, at all? Or are you too lazy to actually give another white man a chance to express his opinion because you think yours is the only one that matters?
            You’re nothing but an ignorant racist, afraid you can’t match up with these competitors, who mostly stand in front of Home Depots, hoping for a few hours work, from homeowners, to lazy to lift a shovel themselves!
            Because they are illegal, you not only want to make them pay fines, and go back to the back of the line, but you want to torture them, along with their families, too. You sound like Hitler!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            No, stupid. I don’t want to collect fines from them. I want to eject them from the United States. I want to kick them back to their shitty little countries. Even their shitty little countries don’t want them. Don’t you remember that I wrote about the Mexican government’s getting mad at the United States because we’re deporting their illegals back to Mexico?

            You seem to be slow on the uptake.

          • EZ2figure says:

            No, CPA, I just enjoy toying with bigots, who take their hate out on people, because of class, race, or country of origin! That would be you! Those 11 million people didn’t harm this country or steal your job! It’s exclusionaries like you, who don’t know how to benefit by inclusionary practices!
            People like you make me sick, because you want to inflict pain on people who moved to another neighborhood, or country, and are still waiting for their place in line, that you refuse to allow them into, ever! They didn’t keep you from making good wages!
            Hell, you could just don your “Superman Cape” and make a bundle marketing yourself on Hollywood Boulevard! I’m sure you would be the hit du’jour!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            The eleven million illegals are hurting the wage earners who are being forced out of jobs. You’re wrong. The illegal immigration problem has to be solved to protect the American worker.

            Your pseudo liberalism just redounds to the benefit of the rich and the American business interests.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Wanna pick some dewberries? You’re an idiot! Don’t hire them! I don’t think your Republican greedy employers would agree with your solution if it was put to a vote! Why yell at me about it! Do you think the rich elites in the Republican Party would support you taking their alternative source of hidden workers away? I don’t think so! You got lots more thiinin’ to do Lucy!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I don’t care about Republican support. I’ve been voting mostly Democratic for a number of years now.

          • EZ2figure says:

            For someone so pig-headed, I am still wondering why you spend so much time hating illegals, and not blog-blasting Republicans, willing to tear this nation apart? Aren’t aliens human beings, too? Are their transgressions affecting your pocketbook worse than what Reaganomics has done to this nation for 35 years?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            If you had been reading my postings during the last national election, you would have seen the things that I said about Mittens Romney and his coterie of elitist pricks.

            You seem pathetically incapable of making a rational argument.

            Aren’t illegals human beings too? Well, yeah, dipshit, they are. But there’s all kinds of human beings. There’s a class called crooks who steal other people’s money. Illegals fit nicely into this category, because they sneak into the United States to take jobs that Americans should rightly have.

            “Are their transgressions affecting your pocketbook worse than what Reaganomics has done to this nation for 35 years?” Glad to see that you’re coming around to the feeling that the illegals are committing transgressions. But, getting back to your comment: Who knows how much these scumbags are hurting us? They don’t file tax returns and they send their money back to their shitty little hellhole countries.

            As to Reaganomics: Reagan was an American President. He was elected by the American people. To equate Ronald Reagan with that illegal alien garbage shows how deep your liberal stupidity goes. Again, just so you get the point: Ronald reagan was elected president. His job was to lead the country. The illegal aliens don’t have any authority or standing to do anything. They don’t belong here.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Actually, Ronald Reagan, from “Death Valley Days”, was a cartoonish kind of actor, who was in charge of the actors guild, who ran for President, and fell prey to the puppeteers of Wall Street, and Political strategists, who, for a few dollars more, offered to propel him into the White House if he would follow their lead! He became a cartoonish kind of President, too!
            He started the trend of all those who followed behind him! Reagan discovered that promising the voters “more protections” and a “bigger military to defend against the maniacs of the world, who are against us”, was a vote-getter!
            He became “Ronald Rayguns”! He promoted satellite war, from space! He spread fear around the world, spurring the Russians to overspend, trying to keep up! While that was a good outcome for the “Cold War” it continues to this day, with the Neo-Cons in the Republican Party pushing fear, fear, fear to the voters, to get Republican Neo-Cons elected into office today!
            Republicans, locked-in to this tactic, force Democrats to follow suit, to compete for campaign finance funding, too! Except, for the first time, we have a President Obama, who has adapted our military to a force size, more suited to the actual adversaries we need to defend against, not building ships with no place left to conquer!
            Reagan raised taxes 9 times, and left a huge national debt behind him, that has grown with every President since him, except for President Clinton, who balanced the budget, for the fist time, and left George Bush to pay down even more national debt without having to do anything!
            Reagan began the defunding of our American wages, that had allowed one man to pay for a home, with 2.5 children, and a decent car, all on one paycheck, with a pension from Douglas Aircraft, waiting at the end of a career in building aircraft, for example!
            Ronald Reagan attacked the rights of unions to strike! He opposed PATCO, and fired them all! His Republican Party, with the Corporations behind them, began this race to the bottom, attacking the right of workers to strike, and union-busting, and against “compulsory arbitration” so they could take our wages, and pensions, and benefits away from us, by strangling, choking, buying our union companies, closing them down, making them weaker still, shipping them to Romney Enterprise Zones, in slave labor China, because unions are still, today, the stumbling block of the Republican Party, the only group of supporters for the workers against the greed of the corporations that can stand against Republican campaign financing dollars!
            You are so misguided into worrying about a few million illegals, you fail to look upon this nation, as a whole! You are brainwashed, by Republicans, to blame the poor, instead of blaming the greed of those who want us to turn upon each other, while the big dogs steal our dinner away!
            We have to compete with the “aliens” because Republicans want you us think it is the truth! They spend millions convincing us it is so! FOX, RUSH, CNN, ABC, DRUDGE, push the messages, and you believe them, rather than the width of your pocketbook and the greed of your corporation to feast of you! It is big business who hires the public relations firms, paying for the ads we watch, making us compete, with each other, but blaming the brown people!
            The illegals only come here, because they know they can get a job! They are allowed in, so Republicans can blame them for all the woes in the marketplace!
            Isn’t it funny that even George Bush was for Amnesty, but the Chamber of Commerce and Paul Ryan would not allow it to happen?
            Isn’t it funny that, instead of Republicans doing everything in their power to create jobs, like they say they are for, they refuse to craft one jobs bill?
            The Republican Party, representing the desires of the Chamber of Commerce, is the Party wanting to lower our wages to match those of China, and India, and Mexico, Guatemala, the Philippines, and Viet Nam, while blaming our joblessness on a few million illegals, with all the Rush Limbaugh screams about the high taxes that corporations never pay, while they seat themselves in Board Rooms, gleefully smoking fifty dollar cigars, lit with hundred dollar bills, from the outstanding profits they have amassed in the Caymans, from the American workers they want to have compete with the rest of the world, with the perfect scapegoat, illegal aliens, from South of the Border! Ad campaigns, blaming the wealth disparity caused by the illegal Hispanics, who don’t command as much wealth as one Walton Family!
            And you fall for it hook, line and sinker!
            Corporations have quadrupled profits! Did you get a commensurate wage increase? Why blame the illegals? Why blame the poor for the woes of the working man? Blame the people who refuse to allow us to become rich, with wages allowing one man to support a family, with a home, a dog, and a picket fence again!
            Vote Democrat! Quit hating those with less than you, because 46% of all Americans work at, or below, the poverty line! Do you really think that a few fruit pickers, and meat packers, lawn-mowers, and textile workers are the reason corporations don’t give us a raise? Or do you just need a brown face to pin it on?
            Do you see how you have been trained well? You have been trained to blame those with less than you, rather than blaming those, who have more than you, who refuse to allow you to climb the ladder after them!

          • EZ2figure says:

            Finally, since I missed the last few lines of your effort to impeach my dignity: I am descended from the Lincoln Line, but am a mix of Czech, from his same hometown, with the same bone deformity in my chest, along with Irish, Scotch, British, and Sicilian roots, whose families came to America in the 1800’s. I guess that would qualify me as white, and I have blue eyes, since it seems to matter to you so you could hope to “hang me” with your prejudice! Are fences and divisions, and hate, and legality, and skin color, and profit and losses, all that you look you look at, when you judge people? Maybe you should remain behind your desk, signing papers!
            Have you ever been in an establishment where drugs were being used? Didn’t you find it advantageous to “live and let live” then? Do you go around your block, asking each gardener to show his “papers please? to satisfy your addiction to hate of “OMG Aliens from outer America”?
            I bet you avert your eyes, and look away, afraid you’ll be implicated! Now, don’t you? You’re just a little whiner tattletale, aren’t you? You can’t be happy with things, because you hate yourself, so you have to bring people down to your level!
            You have to be the center of attention, but can’t quite understand why you fail, since you are perfect in every way! Well, You are sub-basement, with your bible and gun, looking for “filthy traitors, who should be hanged”, your words!
            You’re just a loser, looking for solace, but won’t get any with your attitudes! You’re just a Sad Sack, still filled to the brim! Hasta La Vista! Maybe some medical marijuana might lighten your soul a little, or read the book I told you about. Good luck with your life, but I don’t think you smile much….your hate seems to have too much venom and conviction! You really need to get that checked out!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Your bone deformity isn’t in your chest. it’s in your head.

            Most of your rant is nothing more that a malcontent’s way of venting his inability to change anything for the better. Having all that pent up rage, you rail at the system and the people who built this fine country into what it is.

            You’re a filthy traitor who wants to tear America down so that it’s an image of the crappy little countries that surround it to the South.

          • EZ2figure says:

            got a minute? Tell me all you know, twice! CPAinNewYork, maybe your air is too rarified in your ivory tower! Come down to street level and meet with those people you want to vilify, one on one, and ask them why they came here, and what the conditions were that made them decide to come! Of course you won’t, because you are a bigot, who already knows everything about everything, and tries to self-congratulate yourself by publishing what you think is a proper outlook, based on a racial root, that just exposes your vanity, lack of dignity, and your lack of conscience! Why should these folks be tortured? Isn’t it enough they pay the fines and go to the back of the line? Or is there something, like I have said all along, wrong with you!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Getting past your inane one-word insults, here are my answers:

            The people are those who have had the misfortune of being born in poor countries. That’s a problem for them. But. it’s their problem, not ours and we shouldn’t be concerned with solving it for them. We have our own problems, such as high unemployment.

            No it’s not enough for them to pay the fines, whatever they may be and to get at the back of the line. I don’t want them here at all, because we need to take care of our own people first, regardless of their ethnicity. Our own people are suffering from unemployment and are being taken advantage of by American business people, who revel in low wages. Despite your protestations of liberalism, your position just favors the rich and the American business community. Quite a paradox in my mind that is explained only by your not having thought the problem through.

          • EZ2figure says:

            CPA! They all came here to taunt you! You are the American pig they want to drive up a wall! You are the one who wants to kick all illegal humans, and Democrats, by noosing and dragging them behind your car (your words, again) out of cities, and our country to make people think your city is not a hotbed of poor people, caused by the elites who forget how investing in the poor lifts all boats!
            Your dribble down theory stinks! It never worked! Austerity does not create higher paying jobs! It puts more people out of work as our population is growing!
            If you want to make business thrive, why start by firing all the teachers, all the policemen, all the firemen, all the librarians, all the City Services workers, all the Construction workers, all the DMV workers, while raising the cost of tuition for college, blocking access to higher pay for young Americans, while you attack union pay scales and pension payouts that they would no longer be able to spend, normally keeping our towns awash in moving money?
            You promote sacking our cities even further by shipping 11 million Mexican illegals, and their legal American children to die in the desert on top of the austerity, that will result in even less capital circulating, and won’t create more jobs!
            There will less money in the community to sell products that will now just sit on shelves! So lay-offs will occur, resulting again, in less job offers!
            Money never dribbles down, when there is not a circulating money supply! Right now, the rich hold thirty trillion un-taxed American dollars in the Caymans, that do nothing, because they are not investing it! It isn’t circulating in towns, because Wal-Mart hides the profits there!
            If you want to deport someone, deport the Republican puppetboys back to their gerrymandered districts, and have them explain why listening to CPO3inNewYork is a sure way to get another Democrat elected!
            Do you honestly believe removing the taxes these illegals and all of our organized workers stop paying will get you a job, or reduce our deficit? Do you think people with lower wages, and less money to spend, will magically pay off more debt, while the rich never pay as much tax as a secretary, and average 12.4% in taxes, while whining to high heaven they are burdened by the toughest tax code in the world?
            You are a CPA and you have no clue how an economic system works? Who hired you? Your rich uncle Trump?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You’re one of the bleeding hearts who think that the United States is obligated to solve the world’s problems. We can’t and your stupid tirades won’t make it so.

            You remind me of the Communist speakers at the May Day rallies in New York City’s Union Square. They were frothing at the mouth in denouncing capitalism as inhumane, while at the same time ignoring the brutally repressive system that the Communists in Russia had fashioned for the proletariat.

            We used to laugh at them, just as I’m laughing at your diatribes in this website. You’re probably a Communist or a Communist sympathizer, which to me means that you’re mentally retarded.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Sorry you are too brainwashed to get a grip on reality! You can go back to your bubble now! Rush will be there, licking your ear with his sugar-lips, teaching you how to hate everyone who isn’t white, doesn’t look through white supremist eyeballs, and drag their knuckles, just like you! Do you still suck your thumb, too?

          • jack says:

            your response to CPAinNewYork sounds just like you response to me when i called you a communist what’s a matter can’t you handle the TRUTH? seems it’s pretty obvious to everyone wiling to open their eyes you are a commie!

          • EZ2figure says:

            Jack, I am considering the source, and you and CPAinNewYork are both flat-earthers, who believe the world should revolve around you, and that your racism is actually rational! You are the ones who back the Republican/Libertarian/Fascist/Racist/ anti Southern Hemisphere Party that backs the Tea Party leaders who serve at the mercy of the wealthy, who hire Chinese Communist slaves to do the work Americans used to do, then you both blame Mexicans for working for the wages these same people you vote for want to pay you! Why don’t you both just slap yourselves and be done with it! You are already silly! The slap is to remind you that you are, because you are in such denial!

          • jack says:

            see i am not the only one who thinks your a communist CPAinNewYork can recognize a communist when he sees one too

          • EZ2figure says:

            CPAinNewYork is your father! You guys really ought to shack up! You could be real friends!

          • EZ2figure says:

            Oh, you mean like Texas, Mississippi, and Arkansas? Your Red State leaders did that by themselves! I had nothing to do with it!
            The Walton family, making as much each year as 40% of our population, live in the state with the worst economy, and you think it is me who causes the third world conditions to be found there, where the largest recipients of welfare are white?
            Maybe if Republicans like them spread the wealth a little, their state would be doing a little better! Wal-Mart doesn’t even pay enough in wages, or provide healthcare so our taxes have to be spent on their poverty wage assistance and the healthcare needs of their workers! Should we blame that on the brown skins, too?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Perhaps you can contact the Walton family and convince them to stop selling their goods so cheaply and to pay employee benefits. You’re tilting at a windmill there.

          • EZ2figure says:

            What! After 40 posts, you actually changed the subject! Woohoo! Progress! With enough pressure on the Waltons, with Americans remembering how many box stores went bankrupt in the past when everyone has every cheap product they are willing to sell already, they had to close their doors!
            They are already adding food and other new departments to their stores to shore up the shortage of sales they expected from the slave labor products we already have! Other store chains are competing with their sales again, and toime marches on!
            Most of my friends refuse to shop there! We buy local produce, too! In our huge Wal-mart, near Disneyland, there are maybe 5 people in all the lines, total, when I do go there to buy kitty treats. Their sales aren’t that great once each community has gotten the basics purchased! It’s only a matter of time before they all implode! And hey! If they paid living wages, at least the employees could spend money there. But they don’t! And they rarely serve us with a smile!
            So, since the really offer nothing to any community they buy into, they take all the profits that were normally circulated around the towns, and send it to the Cayman’s, never to be seen again! It’s no wonder you want to deport aliens! Why not deport the Waltons?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            What are you going to do to stop them? All you do now is to rant and rave about how unjust it is to have Walmart drive the small competitors out of business.

            How are you going to stop them from doing that? Pass legislation? That would be unconstitutional and the Supreme court would knock that legislation down in a hearbeat.

            Maybe you could mount an informational campaign to convince those who shop at Walmart to shop elsewhere and pay the higher prices. Go ahead, try it. Let us know how you make out.

          • EZ2figure says:

            It’s amazing what the court of public opinion can do! I remember making up a word when I was a kid! I heard it again, from someone from the other side of the nation a few years later!
            I remember starting a rumor once, and it facilitated a whole movement in the military. One voice can carry a lot of weight, if properly channeled!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I doubt that either of your claims is true. Why don’t you tell us what they are, so that we can evaluate their authorship?

          • EZ2figure says:

            I would like to tell you the exact word, but it was in the sixties, and I lost many memories from that era, if you know what I mean, and I wouldn’t want to be known as the cause for the aftermath of a stupid rumor that was distributed as payback for harassment! So I will not disclose the exact nature of the rumor! Sorry to disappoint! But, here’s the point:
            Did you ever see the Disney cartoon movie “Goofy” where he is a fine person, and gets along with everyone, and all is well with the world, until he gets into his car, and becomes a maniac, cutting people off, being rude, and by the end of the day, everyone hates each other? Didn’t his actions affect the world?
            Didn’t Snowden affect our view of Homeland Security and FISA court?
            Here’s another example of a small thing turning big, with little effort, that I am ashamed of, to this day!
            I was on my Harley, with a couple friends, on theirs, and we pulled in to check out an all-day marijuana initiative concert. As we pulled up, the last band was playing, and I had some fine young women running to my side, to check out my bike (I would like to say it was me, but won’t guess what the truth was). There was a crowd of about a hundred folks, smoking pot and relaxing in the park setting. All was well with the world! Everything was cool! The music was fine, and “a smoke” sounded good!
            Then, the announcer came to the stage we had parked behind and said the last band had played, at which point the girls, who had come up to my bike said, “Don’t let this end! If you get the microphone, we’ll put on a wet T-shirt contest!”
            So , I got the announcer’s attention and he just handed me the mike! I hadn’t been planning on saying anything, just handing the mike to the girls, but, in front of all those cool people I thought I could be cool, and asked for volunteers for a wet-T-shirt contest! The sleepy crowd perked up, and people were pointing at various girls, and they came to the stage. We had about 10 girls ready to go. I was looking for water and a bucket, when things got big, fast!
            One particular fine looking girl came up on stage, wearing nothing but a bumper sticker across her chest, and, before any of my friends could do anything, she said, “I’m going to win this contest, hands down!” and she, in front and center on the stage, pulled the bumper sticker from her bare breasts…and the crowd went wild! The sleepers had awakened. All of a sudden the crowd decided the stage was the place to be and rushed her and the other girls, while all we could do was try to defend the girls on stage to keep the idiots all off of it! If it weren’t for a bunch of undercover officers, I assume had been assigned to mingle and bust drug offenders at this event, rushing to help us bikers on stage, it would have been a catastrophe!
            This is what I mean about a small effort, causing big waves! You know what I am saying is the truth! You have been in a elevator when someone farted, changing everyone’s attitude!
            You live on these blogs, criticizing, without solution, stirring up hate, as so many others do, in the employ of the Heritage Foundation, or just convinced by their lost egos, to make it seem like the far right is more prevalent that they really are, to convince stupid people that there are many sexist, racist, fascist wackos, not just a small dedicated force, typing comments provided to them by Karl Rove’s daily talking points, or Rush Limbaugh’s insane radio blurts, or from trolls, who just like to stir things up!
            Hell, I am a party of one, from the opposite side of the nation, who held you in thrall for four days, to get my points across, and I received a few comments from other readers along the way, agreeing with my viewpoints, and not one who agreed with you! We all have a part in this play! Every voice counts!
            One day there will be a reckoning!
            So, in parting, I ask this final question, ” Does not a pebble, when tossed in a lake, cause ripples?”

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Your alias describes you: You are easy to figure. You’re an egotist who thinks that you have an impact on history. Several bloggers have agreed with you? Several have agreed with me. So what?

            Did you solicit their agreement to bolster your ego or to intimidate me?

          • EZ2figure says:

            I don’t have to solicit for endorsements, but I attack you for your hate of the illegals, who wouldn’t come here if there wasn’t a job waiting! Why blame them? At least they were motivated to do something to get a little higher on the economic ladder, something the Republicans really hate, which is why you are one!
            By the way, I read blog your approval of the “Stop and Frisk” tactic, and I bet you really like the frisk part, eh?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I don’t hate the illegals, I just don’t want them here because they don’t belong here.

            Your blogs show that you’re ill-informed. For example, illegals don’t pay income taxes, because they don’t have Social Security numbers. They work off the books, which is illegal and which deprives Americans of needed jobs. It benefits business, though and business adheres to the Republican Party, which you obviously abhor. They don’t pay property taxes either, but we have to educate their kids at our expense.

            Now, tell me: If the use of illegals by Republican businessmen is all right in your view, how can you say that you abhor the Republican Party? At the least, your view is hypocritical. At most, your view is ill-informed. I don’t like the illegals, I don’t like the businessmen who hire them and game the system. I don’t like the hypocritical liberals who want to flood the country with illegal human refuse from Third World hell holes and I don’t like the fact that you seem to be too thick to see through your own inconsistencies.

            You say that you grew up in a mixed environment, but that you were the only kid in a black school. That doesn’t sound “mixed” to me. It sounds black. All black. Perhaps that is why you think that it’s all right to screw American workers out of jobs as long as it’s done by “people of color.”

          • EZ2figure says:

            CPA, they make up Social Security numbers, do pay into the system, as well as Federal taxes, out of their paychecks. They just never collect from the funds, because their numbers are copies, or belong to a dead guy! They spend money, locally, improving the economy, just like anyone else, and you whine about them sending money to their relatives in their country of origin, but at least they don’t send it to the Caymans, like the Waltons do, doing nothing but give the Waltons self-gratification, just like you, sitting in your tower of no hope, pointing boney fingers at the rabble below, laughing at the “Stop and Frisk” tactics, wishing it was you doing the groping! Your pointless “straw dog” tactics of saying I endorse employers who employ illegals is wrong! You are slandering me, and I never endorsed it!
            The fact that I spent one year in an all black school gave me perspective, which you will never have!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            You’re wrong again. A very low percentage bother to make up phony Social Security numbers because the computers at Social Security will reject false numbers.

            Besides, their fear of detection steers them away from any official safeguards. Those who steal others’ numbers, both living and dead, are well known to Social Security, but Social Security doesn’t alert ICE because it wants the money. It’s conduct in this case is a disgrace: take the money and run.

            Another black mark against our shitty government.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Yet, 11 million of “the ones you would deport” have successfully hidden for decades! Have you seen some of the computer systems the IRS have still in use, because Republicans refuse to upgrade them? They still have tube-driven power supplies!
            How would you know about their ability to detect a social security number that belongs to a dead person, or to a young person, who died, whose death went unreported?
            Stop defunding government, so it can do what is it designed to do, represent us, not just the greed of the wealthy!
            Is Republican Darryl Issa doing his job, chasing ghosts in Ben Ghazi-land, when he could be interviewing wall-street bankers?
            Oops, that might affect your job, eh?
            Again, you just have tunnel vision, driven to frustration by the hate merchants you listen to, and apparently you like them, and the hate they stir up inside for fellow human beings, convincing you that hating others on their life journey is somehow a worthwhile cause, when the problem is sociopathic greed, not the scribblings of the poor!

          • jack says:

            they don’t pay into the system you fool they work as independent contractor get paid in cash or even get a check but do not file taxes because taxes are not withheld from the check because the people who contract them issue a 1099 and don’t have to withhold and because no money is withheld and there is no way for IRS to track down someone without ss number there is no way to collect taxes on income reported on 1099 and they actually spend as little money as possible locally so they can send it back home and return there after 15 years of sucking off our economy and live like wealthy people in their home country try talking to one or two of them and you might find this out! get an education you idiot!

          • EZ2figure says:

            They pay into the system by spending the money they earn, idiot! They are returning money directly into your community, and if they are paid by people, those people are required to fill out a 1099 form if they are paid more than 600 bucks a year, or whatever the amount is now! You are just biased, because you hate immigrants and are a racist! You blame people not as well off as you, and brown-skinned, for your wages being low! Well, get a trade they can not compete with you for! Get a life, so you will stop your incessant whining! You are just like a little spoiled kid, born with a silver spoon in your mouth, whose parents took away your toys, so you take it out on your friends, blaming them for what you did to deserve the punishment! For the sixth time! Blame the people hiring them!
            Why are you such a racist? Why do you ignore advice, freely given? Why are you taking it out on me? Why are you so pre-occupied with things that really do not really affect you at all! You put so much hate into hating Mexicans, I think you need some advice from a specialist! You rant on, ignoring anything anyone says to ease your pain! Why don’t you learn something from AA? They have a saying that goes something like this, as follows: God grant me the strength to change those things I can, and the strength to accept those things I cannot! Well, you could learn a lot from that!
            Personally, I think you are a wacko, who gets a thrill out of turmoil, and hate, and you spread it every chance you can! I bet you are a bully, too! Did you pick the wings off flies when you were a kid, too? Is this what you talk about all day long at work, making them hate you, too? You know, painting labels on races isn’t really an admirable pre-occupation, but you seem to apply it against everything, and everyone! STFU!

          • jack says:

            i did get a job they can’t compete with me in! but what about Americans graduating from high school today? they have to compete with the illegals! so are you saying you don’t care about todays generation of AMERICAN high school graduates it is just tough luck they have to compete with ILLEGALS for jobs?

          • EZ2figure says:

            Jaaaaaaack! You’d be surprised what today’s kids can do, fresh out of high school! They are a lot more computer savvy than most adults are, for one! And really, how long does it take to learn how to follow a by-the-step repair manual, that shows the readings for each type of circuit, for a simple appliance, based on switch settings, or the new modern approach to trouble-shooting, requiring module replacement, because no one has the talent to troubleshoot down to component level anymore? A caveman can do that! Don’t pat yourself too hard on the back! You might hurt yourself! My reference to high school kids was based on your claims that illegals were taking your jobs, so I mentioned that you probably also hated the High Schoolers, who did the same thing, looking for summer vacation jobs!
            But, leave it to you to twist the meaning to fit your next diatribe! You have no honor, and your only goal is winning at any cost! You don’t play by rules, yet you whine when an illegal does the same thing! Are you a Virgo? Do you whine about everything?

          • jmprint says:

            I read your shit and I dislike you and your kind. I bet you consider yourself a Christian! Your language speaks for itself you think you are above God. Your taxes are not the only ones being used. I have paid taxes all my working life and NEVER had government help, but I am a good human being that thinks of others. There were people of color way before you whiteys got here, and a lot of the brownie’s land were stolen from them, so quit trying to make yourself superior, you are not! You are just another greedy bastard!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I take it from this posting that you’re not white. Well, please be assured that I don’t care what color you are and I don’t care if you dislike me and my “kind.”

            I hate your guts. You think that the whites stole the “brownies’ land? Well maybe they did, but that was then and this is now and the whites aren’t giving it back, because those that lost it are long dead.

            Clowns like you are just looking to get something for nothing. You probably think that because you’re not white the victorious whites’ successors are obligated to make restitution. Think again. They’re not obligated to you and your “kind” for anything.

            You called me a greedy bastard, but you’re the money grubber who’s trying to get something for nothing.

          • jmprint says:

            I am not taking or asking anything from you, I just don’t like your attitude, thank God you don’t represent any race except GOP, and we all know what they are all about. ME, ME, ME!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I voted for Obama in 2012.

          • jmprint says:

            So why you sounding soooooo GOP?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Evidently, you missed the posts that I made during the 2012 election.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            I don’t like your attitude, either. Your misplaced liberalism would hand this country over to the illegals who are unfortunate enough to have been born in third world hell holes. By helping them, we’re not going to raise them to America’s level. There’s not enough money here to do that. By helping them, we’re going to be dragged down to their level. I don’t see the wisdom in that.

            They have a problem, but it’s not America’s problem. We are not obligated to help them, because to do so imperils American workers who need the jobs that the illegals are taking.

            If you really want to help those people, why don’t you and those who agree with you mobilize and give the downtrodden in those third world hell holes some of your money? While you’re at it, why don’t you and your buddies foment a revolution, depose the oppressors of the downtrodden and then take over the government? Then you and your buddies could run those countries on a “truly democratic basis,” with an equitable distribution of the national wealth.

            Sound good? Go to it. An added incentive for you would be that you and your buddies could put your money where your mouth is.

          • jmprint says:

            The only one with a mental problem is you. You live in a dark displaced mindset view. You are not a good American so why don’t you move in with Snowden so you can share your views with someone that agrees with you, or better yet just stay in the same hell you live in, don’t pay your taxes and you won’t have nothing to complain about. Your taxes won’t be wasted on humanity.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            More senseless drivel. I picture you as frothing at the mouth.

          • jmprint says:

            And I picture your teeth sunk onto a chrome bumper, like a rabid dog.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Thanks, man, this CPAin NewYork guy has been blogging me for days, trying to prove his racist views are not based in racism ^^

          • jmprint says:

            That’s because everything was handed to him, never really broke a sweat for his money.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Yup, CPAin NewYork wants to hang me and drag me behind his car across the border, too! I told him he could make it big, wearing his superman cape on Hollywood Boulevard after that! Have a good one!

          • jmprint says:

            Really KKK like, just what this world needs more of them.
            Thanks your postings, I enjoyed reading.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            So, you know how hard I work? Typical approach: You know nothing, so you make up facts.

            You’re a typical Communist asshole.

          • jmprint says:

            So tell me, how much sweat does it take to be a CPA? I’m faster then the average person on the calculator and I don’t break a sweat. I am far from being a communist. Only those that follow JBS and GPO are communist. But oh, you can downgrade all mexicans into one category because you know how hard they work? You like to ditch out bullshit, but you can’t take it.

            I don’t like being ugly with people, but I don’t like it when people make ugly statements, just because they are in their comfort zone. Not all illegal immigrants are the same, and we should allow children born in the United States to have the same rights as you. Ted Cruz’s father was an illegal immigrant from 1957 to 2005 and GPO is OK with that. Laws do not just apply to the poor.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Here’s how much sweat it takes to become a CPA in New York:

            Complete four years of college plus another thirty credits, which is equivalent to earning a masters degree. Then, take the CPA examination. There are four parts to it. None of them are easy. Depending on your education, you must have two years of experience working for a CPA before the certificate is issued.

            After that, you get to work a lot of overtime.

          • jmprint says:

            I am proud you are a productive citizen. Keep up the good work, just work on your attitude.

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            With all due respect, I think that my “attitude” is fine.

          • jack says:

            go to the article why seniors are turning on the gop and look for the debate between jack and ez2figure the guy melts down at the end because i shred him with facts and Questions he can’t answer because he is clueless

        • jack says:

          you want a living wage for citizens then you support people who come here ILLEGALLY and undermine american citizens ability to earn a living wage by working for less! you don’t make any sense!

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    • labrown69 says:

      Why shouldn’t a bank robber be allowed to keep the money? After all, he already robbed the bank and he only did it to find a better way of life?

      • EZ2figure says:

        Do immigrants not work, and contribute to our society, without receiving the benefit of retirements, and unemployment? What kind of word-smithing are you trying to shove down our throats today? If anyone is robbing the banks, it’s the bankers, who won’t give us fair compensation for the money we have in savings accounts, going into their pockets instead! I remember when we could get 10% interest in a savings account! Maybe you are just too blind to all of the greed you accept as normal business, that strangles our society from the top down, giving little to those on the bottom! Apparently, this is fine with you!

        • labrown69 says:

          We are not talking about “immigrants”. The word immigrant holds the implicit meaning that they immigrated, not broke the law. Illegal alien is the proper statutory term for what we are speaking about and the details you cited do not even scratch the surface of balancing what they cost us in welfare benefits, the deterioration of our schools, jails, prisons, neighborhoods, what they cost us in policing and other services … more than 100 emergency rooms have closed in CA as a result of these folks using them for primary care. Now the LAPD has decriminalized driving without a license, drinking in public or urinating and defecating in public and this is all to take the heat off illegals. Why would someone who can drive without a license and does not own real property buy auto insurance? LA is the hit and run capitol of the nation and yet we cater to these people. It is funny that you talk about the greed of bankers but I’ll bet you are one of those who genuflect when Obama and Eric Holder walk by. Not one single prosecution under these pricks. Your damn right bankers are fu**ing us over as a nation with the full complicity of the Obama adminstration and a big part of the reason is because those banks make a bundle wiring money to Mexico. Money wired to Mexico by illegals is the second largest product in Mexico after oil revenue and it is also the smoke screen behind which every major US bank launders money for the drug cartels.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Oh, so should we call racists “selective bigots”, because it sounds better, too? It shouldn’t matter that immigrants, or illegals, or whatever you want to demean them with, with your word-smithed labels, who come to this country to do the jobs no one here wants to do! What’s the harm?
            Our entire picking industry is populated by these aliens from outer space! OMG! Except now, we have machines doing their jobs, too! Do the machines whine like all of you bigots do?
            The emergency rooms have closed because our government did not fund them to keep them open! The emergency rooms would not have needed to close if Republicans hadn’t been fighting against healthcare that every other European nation takes for granted! The insurance companies, charging hundreds of thousands of dollars for medications, that cost almost nothing in other nations is the problem! Greed of the Pharmaceutical companies, and with laws protecting their greed, that their attorneys got some Republican to pass for them in the House of Do-nothings for the people government you seem to side with!
            I used emergency care, because I had to wait for days to get an appointment with my primary care physician! Why lose more days at work waiting for a doctor that just pushes pills anyway?
            All of your rants are against the poor, and not one word against all the rich, who can spare the time and the effort and the money to pass the laws to fix these problems, by providing jobs that pay living wages to immigrants and citizens alike!
            Look at Detroit, where Romneys shipped 88% of their manufacturing companies and jobs to China, while the Red State Leader of Michigan, Governor Snyder, did nothing to draw any new industry or innovation back in to fill the gap!
            This is the Republicans fault, who allowed the sacking of our cities by providing the Cayman Island loopholes, and tax breaks for the corporations that killed manufacturing in the United States, but now want to defund our colleges so our future generations can’t compete with the rest of the world!
            Did Darryl Issa try to Impeach Bush for outing a CIA agent? Let’s not get into who didn’t prosecute people for crimes, like the bankers he refuses to prosecute either! 11 hearings on Fast and Furious, and not one Republican, who started the program called to testify? Really?
            You’re whining about money wired to Mexico to support poor families, while ignoring the billions in profits made in Mexico, by Staples, and Toys-R-Us, and Burlington Coat Factory, and Lowe’s Home Improvement Centers for Bain Capital, held in the Cayman LLC’s!
            Governor Rick Coat Hanger Perry, of Texas, pushing new laws allowing all Texas companies from having to provide healthcare for their workers, drawing businesses from other states in a race to the bottom of wages and benefits for workers, and you say it is the lazy workers at fault?
            You haven’t a clue, or you work for the Heritage Foundation and the righties that would watch a man starve, rather than give him a half of a loaf of your bread! Greedy Sociopaths, every one of you, who prey on fellow members of society, like a disease! In Republican land, if you get sick! Die Quickly! That’s about it, isn’t it?

          • labrown69 says:

            We call criminals rapists, robbers, murderers and identify criminals statutorily by the crimes they commit. When you rob a bank you are a “bank robber”. But in your world if a bank robber is Hispanic or Black we should invent some other name? No sir, the correct name used on every government document under existing law for a foreign national is “alien” and if one becomes a resident alien in violation of the law they are “illegal” so spare me your brain dead double talk. There is nothing racist about wanting to enforce immigration law so that we do this in an orderly fashion and assure that immigrants assimilate rather than overwhelm us and make our country into some other country. This is the United States and although we have always been a melting pot, we have our own American culture and we are entitled to it. Under your idiotic scenario it can not be a melting pot because nobody “melts” or in other words assimilates. It just turns into one big Balkanized clash of cultures. You sir are a moron. ERs closed because illegal aliens overwhelmed them in numbers and skipped out on their bills. How about we go after greedy banks and health care and pharmacutical companies but only pay for those who belong in this nation or would you like to subsidize all of Mexico too? Where do people as stupid as you come from?

          • EZ2figure says:

            Nobody would skip out on their bills if they had to pay for healthcare, like the Affordable Care Act! If they were citizens, they would be paying for the services! Won’t that resolve most of the problem of them using our emergency rooms? And If you really want to correctly identify people by their affiliations, let’s call Republicansthe filthy fascist racist bigot white supremists because it’s what you are!
            Don’t tell me I am the one wordsmithing when the Republican Party spends millions on focus groups making sure their messages will attract voters by the words that are used, whether they obfuscate the truth or not!
            Let’s remember the Clean Air Act actually makes our air dirtier!
            Let’s remember FOX Entertainment NEWS, who provide skewed graphs with no relation to the truth to convince us of their pointless points, edited by well-known Democrat hater Roger Ailles! No “fair and balanced” there at all!
            I have no problem with immigration law, and neither does President Obama! We have a senate passed bi-partisan Immigration Bill that John Boehner, in the House of Representatives, will not bring to a vote because he values his job more than passing it! If he brings it to a vote, the Tea Party will replace him! So much for the integrity of the Republican Party, representing our nation from gerrymandered districts, because there is no such thing as equality in the minds of Republicans, trained to win at all costs, even if it means voting against those things that sustains us!

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            Illegals are never going to assimilate. They’re a major problem and will remain so until they are eliminated.

          • labrown69 says:

            CPA – you are exactly right and that is part of the problem with calling them “immigrants” at all. They come here to work and send money back which has become the second largest national product of Mexico after only oil. Most of them have no desire to become Americans and we don’t need 30 – 50 million day workers.

          • labrown69 says:

            By the way you idiot, illegals come here to “do the jobs Americans don’t want to do” for slave wages. Pay a living wage and others will do those jobs. We can also have guest worker programs exclusively for agriculture jobs. You are so full of lame excuses it’s pathetic. Did you know that Mexico is a resource-rich country with an astronomically wealthy aristocracy who sip champagne and eat caviar at the expense of American taxpayers?

            If those who immigrate here in violation of law “only take jobs that Americans won’t do,” why then has meat and poultry packing gone from the highest paid job in the industrial sector to the lowest? A Bear Sterns study contends that government figures are skewed and that the actual number here illegally is closer to 30 million.

            Whether it is 12 million or 30, when there are only 1.1 million agricultural jobs in California, why then do we need a guest worker program? Could it be that when immigrants arrive here illegally, they also “don’t want the jobs that Americans won’t do,” thus we foster an eternal exodus of humanity who do “the jobs Americans won’t do” for 20 minutes each? Cesar Chavez stated that he could not unionize farm labor without stemming the flow of impoverished migrants and yet we celebrate his birthday but ignore his words.

            At Ellis Island, immigrants entering America were screened for diseases. Did you know that illegals entering the country bring diseases that were all but eradicated but are making a comeback? According to the CDC, some are resistant to treatment and include hepatitis, tuberculosis and that old favorite syphilis, just to name a few. As a result of illegal labor, spinach is more dangerous than marijuana.

            The most fundamental aspect of any country’s sovereignty is borders. Our addiction to what is laughably called cheap labor is costing us many billions annually, destroying our quality of life and is unsustainable. Next time you are gloating over the price of strawberries, I suggest you check your tax returns, your schools, your children’s health, your prisons and your emergency rooms for a glimpse of the
            real cost.

          • EZ2figure says:

            If diseases are becoming rampant, why are Republicans so opposed to universal healthcare? If illegal aliens are willing to work in meat packing, it’s because the employers who hire them never get prosecuted for hiring them, while the Republicans attack the ability of unions to negotiate the wages they could make, regardless of what scab labor makes. The aristocracy in Mexico is the same as here in the states: a very few control all the marbles, while the workers live on hillsides in cardboard boxes! Some wealthy country that is! Been to Otay Mesa lately? All of our corporations are on that side of the border, to escape paying fair wages and healthcare, because greed knows no bounds! How many vegetables from Wal-Mart were grown in America, while your taxes and mine go to pay for the healthcare and the unemployment checks for those who Wal-Mart hires as “Seasonal labor” to get around providing benefits, just like RomneyStores do!? Stop blaming the workers! Stop blaming those who know they can find work in the States because Republicans won’t fund our INS!

            You do know we are at a net zero, with as many deportations, under Barack Obama, as there are illegals coming in, don’t you? You do know the border fence has tripled in length, and we have more than doubled the border patrol, with agreements to double them again, so there is a border agent every 250 feet, to satisfy your fear of OMG, poor aliens, trying to get a job here, because they are getting shot by cartels there!
            The whole point of Amnesty, or a path to citizenship, is to allow those who came here, with naturalized American children, to begin what they should have done long ago, but the Immigration service refused to allow the refugees from the wartorn Nicaragua and other places Americans have toppled governments in, to come here, hoping to escape the carnage that we were active participants in! If they were white, there would be no such problem! we allow Russians in, by the basketfull! Europeans, no problem! Ever been to a Harley Dealership where the people trying to buy the bikes are mostly Germans? Why is it the brownskins that are the target of your wrath? Is it because you know they would vote Democrat, and you have no problems fixing the voting angles so they can’t vote against you? You oppose them because of their politics!
            Isn’t that the real truth? You are afraid that Mexicans will vote Republicans out as soon as they gain control of Texas, with their votes? Why blame me for what happens in Texas? Why isn’t Rick Perry deporting them, unless his buddies like their labor rates! Maybe you guys should look in the mirrors and see who you should really be hating! You support a second-rate political party of puppets that serve at the pleasure of the ruling class, and they have convinced you it is the poor that have taken your jobs away! Idiot! The Walton family makes as much in one year as 40% of all Americans! Is there any wonder there is disparity in income! Don’t blame that on the poor! Most of Wal-Mart products are made by slaves in 37 dollar a month jobs, while ma and pa lost their business to the competition! Meanwhile, when Ma and Pa made money they bought things in the community with it! When the waltons make money, it goes into the Cayman Islands and new slave factories in India!
            So what if Wal-Mart provides a million jobs! They don’t pay living wages, and remove working capital from every city they build a new Wal-Mart in!

            Why not pass the Dream Act and see what is wrong with it, and fix it if there is something needing attention?
            Why not allow Obama-Care to continue and fix those parts of it that have problems instead of opposing healthcare for 30 million Americans, while it cuts your rates, too?

            Oh, that’s right! Obama is black! He is a Democrat! No good white supremist would ever support that, for fear of his friends calling him names, like namby pamby, or something far more racist!

          • labrown69 says:

            Alrighty – it just so happens I support single payer universal health care like every other civilized country in the world however most of the countries that have it also have fairly strict immigration rules. Secondly, your idiotic comments about “why brown skinned people” should be self evident. If I could call your attention to a map for a moment you will notice that Mexico is the country directly to the south of us and because our leaders are so afraid of promoting communism which is a very easy sell in Latin nations, we refuse to pressure them to reform economically, therefor we have an exodus of Mexicans and others from South of Mexico, Guatemala and Nicaragua etc in our country also. We did not put them there, and if blue eyed blond swedes were overwhelming our systems it would be just the same.

          • EZ2figure says:

            So, you agree! Brownskins are being targeted! Hitler was a real fan of ostracizing gypsies and Jews, too! That doesn’t make it right, just racist! Instead of building a fence, blaming those who just want jobs, why not get off your ass and get your Republicans to pass a jobs bill that would get all of our out of work, and our underpaid, Americans good jobs by investing in our crumbling infrastructure, while the jobs they would work would generate the taxes to cover the cost, if it was living wages! After that, where would the whining be? If there were enough jobs for Americans and brownskins, who could complain? Seems like all you righties know how to do is blame people at the bottom, instead of blaming those at the top with the power, and the wealth and the ability to institute solutions! Instead, you covet a Republican Party that wants to take us back to the Wild West horse and buggy days, where the streets are made of mud, the bridge washed out and we are stranded on an American Ship that refuses to feed its crew!

          • labrown69 says:

            You have a talent for “changing the subject” and an inability to speak to one subject at a time.

            People with “brown skins” are targeting us! Is there anyone in the entire world that you think we should not have to support or does this just apply to Mexico who you apparently think we are indebted to?

            Why not the US support everyone all the way down to the Southernmost tip of South America?

            Why not the entire Muslim world? Aww, hell, let’s just pay for everyone and their health care but YOU FIRST.

          • EZ2figure says:

            labrown69! You are not being targetted by brownskins! You are just paranoid! This nation has the capacity to handle millions of people who already live here. All we need is a representative government to provide it!
            Your pointless dialogue, because you refuse to ponder a different solution you have already decided is worth fighting for is pointless! If you refuse to see that your solution will fail, you are no better than the Republican racists you consider worthy Americans, because of the color of their skin! Know what I mean?
            You’re just a loser! No one expects America to support people all the way down to the tip of South America! Mitt Romney is doing that already, in sweatshops! Why not blame him for stealing American jobs, instead of blaming those who escaped that life and have adapted to make a new life in hiding here?
            You just are living in a bubble that is a false reality! You forgive the rich for keeping us poor, but want to take it out on the poor! What the hell kind of logic is that?
            What does the Muslim faith have to do with any of that! What if I said, “We have our own zealots in the Christian Church trying to shove their religion down our throats in America!” (which would be true) but has nothing to do with the Immigration bill!
            The point is, you only attack people on a lower economic rung than you, blaming them for your status in life! Well, maybe go to China, and see how you can do there! Mitt did, and he is quite happy running slaves into ditches! You could be just like him, if your Daddy was rich enough!

          • labrown69 says:

            The world if full of millions of people who would like for me to pay for them but insist on having dozens of children and being Catholic and not using condoms because it’s against their religions and not snitching on their gang banger relatives etc – go fuck yourself

          • EZ2figure says:

            labrown69! It is you Republicans, afraid you’ll miss the next resurrection of Jesus if one baby dies, who pass the laws to eliminate access to contraception, and abortion, and then you whine there are too many people! Which way is it? Or as usual, do Republicans like it from both ends?

          • labrown69 says:

            It certainly is not “we Republicans” because I am not and have never been a Republican. It is sad that there are some who are so brainwashed that they are not capable of looking at issues and instead believe they have to parrot the party line without the slightest deviation. That is the mark of a truly stupid person. In answer to your final question, your Mother “likes it in both ends”. At once.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Thanks! My mother is dead! Hope that fulfills you in some way! You do know that Immigrants have been in America since before we arrived! Aren’t we really the aliens, when you look at it from their perspective? Or is “might makes right” the only thing that matters? It just seems you are picking the wrong fight, if you aren’t a Republican, although I don’t think you fully understand what is like to be a non-citizen yourself!
            Why is this the time you believe we should kick them all out? I have illegals running through my ranch all the time, but I don’t blame them for it! Do you have this thing for sadism? I mean, really, shipping a whole family back to the Mexican Border,that may have lived here for 10 years, expecting them to survive, while their Americanized kids are stuck at the border, with neither country wanting them? Do you have any clue how much it would cost us to actually move 13 million or more people?
            Do you really think Republicans would ever offer to pay it? Hell, they won’t allow Obama to close Guantanamo, because they won’t pay for the passage to get 163 prisoners into our court system, and into our max security jails! Aren’t you just the dreamer, who refuses a dose of reality?

          • labrown69 says:

            A signature technique of those who refuse to address this issue honestly is to call “illegals” immigrants. My Grandparents were first generation immigrants because they came here legally through the proper channels. The implication that we can absorb the entire world is not correct and we have a right to regulate who comes so we don’t import poverty and crime alone. You also refuse to address the fact that many if not most in the country illegally have no desire to assimilate or become Americans. They are here to work, send the money home and in doing so they drive down wages, “Immigrants” in the traditional sense want to become Americans and thus make good citizens. There are real issues here that have nothing to do with race. It just so happens that 85% of illegals are Hispanic but that is really incidental to the issue.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Dude, you choose who you hate, based on your values set! If you hate illegals, because you are a racist, who you blame for taking your jobs, what’s the difference if they are here in-country, or in China, because Republicans, like Mitt Romney shipped all of our factories there!
            The point I have tried to make is that shipping these illegals back to Mexico, or their country of origin, does nothing if our government fails to address the problem government created by allowing 88% of our manufacturing jobs to get shipped overseas for lower wages!
            Almost a hundred million jobs are gone because of lousy government! Detroit is floundering because no Michigan Red State Governors had a plan to get those left behind new businesses to work in, by investing in now technologies! It’s the same in Congress, where John Boehner, Eric Cantor, and Mitch McConnell all were quoted, as saying ,”Government is not responsible for jobs!”
            Well, you want to deport someone? Deport them! They haven’t passed one jobs bill, although they ran a Jobs, jobs, jobs platform!

          • labrown69 says:

            I don’t “hate” anyone however I believe public policy should be geared toward those who observe the rule of law unless of course you are an anarchist. I would be perfectly satisfied with bringing all of our troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq and lining them up on the border shoulder to shoulder with orders to take trespassing seriously and then nobody would have trouble negotiating the fate of the 30 million plus who admittedly we allowed to come here to exploit. That they were complicit in their own exploitation is not a good reason to base future public policy on. We need to do what is best for our society and encourage only those who wish to assimilate and live by our culture to immigrate. I despise every Republican you named however it was not they but rather Barak Obama who has prosecuted more whistle blowers than law-and-order Republicans John Mitchell, Edwin Meese and John Ashcroft, enhanced the Patriot Act and the NDAA and I’m afraid voting Democratic is not the panacea the air headed partisans that frequent these pages think.

          • EZ2figure says:

            So, do you agree that all laws should be prosecuted, no matter whether if they are fair, or not? How about rolling a hoop down a street on Sunday, that is still on the books, since 1912? How about the helmet and loud exhaust pipe laws that kill more bikers since their passage? How about the federal marijuana laws, when many states have adopted medical marijuana as a healthcare solution? Or how about the laws that go unpunished in the white collar world of finance and banking? Or do we just pick and choose the easy ones, on non-defendable laws, filling up for-profit prisons before shipping the prisoners to an unknown fate, many times to a country they have no citizenship in at all (*cough*) Mexico, costing us taxpayers constant taxes to pay for the millions that have had their families torn apart?
            The cockamamie idea that a fence will cure the woes of the underpaid American worker is something the Homesteaders began in Oklahoma, and we see how the Cattlemen liked that! Do we ever consider the migration paths of desert tortoises and mammals that migrate past the border every year as part of their life-cycle? Do you think a fence would keep us in? Because that is what the fence represents! It is a prison to some on both sides, including humans and animals!
            Did we ever stop to think that there are only a few watering holes for critters that depend on getting to them that are blocked by a border fence? Are we supposed to tell them to create another instinct to go somewhere else after they migrated for millions of years across the imaginary line of a border?
            Can’t we fathom, for one second, that the problem is an economic and a safety issue? People flee war, and people flee starvation, and people flee drug cartels, to start a new life!
            Instead of building new fences to keep them out, why not build factories on the border, with doors on both sides, along with a bunch of work visas, instead of having someone, other than us or our children, having to stand, in the heat, day after day, with nets at the ready, to capture the invaders, or the escapers!
            What a lousy cause for our soldiers, to be posted to keep nations separated, instead of fixing the NAFTA laws, with a set of work standards and wage standards, and healthcare standards to go along with them?
            But you have no worthy solutions! You point your boney fingers at the downtrodden, and blame them for invading your turf, while you buy the products made by their slave labors, enabling the other countries to continue to employ slaves, or reside over a feudalist societies, with your help, while averting your own eyes to the fact that the Koch Brothers, and the Sheldon Adelsons, and the Waltons, and the ALEC producers of the Chamber of Commerce, are turning this nation into haves, and have nots, based on us being able to compete with the slaves, in those other un-regulated countries, just like the Republicans want to do to us here, whose puppets in the Republican Party refuse to add a few strings on our wayfaring American Corporations, while giving them tax breaks for going there in the fist place, while blocking the same Obama Bill that would have fixed it, and rewarded corporations for bring our industries back!
            Instead of crafting a border, all we need is legislation, making the shipping of products into the United States require a minimum wage standard, and a benefits plan requirement for all that work outside of the U.S. must adhere to, or we don’t buy their products!
            Or how about an equal trade agreement, like the Russians have that allow imports, based on an equal amount of exports from the Russia to make the transactions balance, so no new debt is created?
            Instead, you want to bus 13 million people out costing us, and when they return, bus them again, and again, and again! You do know the fence will never stop them! I have seen the flights of planes from Mexico into the U.S., stopping just long enough to drop off passengers, and taking a quick trip back! We cannot build a fence high enough, or fortify it with enough electrified razor wire, as Republican Representative King felt was a great deterrent! There will always be tunnels and a no man’s land! There is always the Rio Grande and other riverways they can cross! There is always the ocean access! All the fence does is keep the poorest brownskins out and give people like you a sense of false security!
            The people determined to get in will always find a way! We cannot stop every terrorist! We spend too much on a terrorism task force! If America has to sneeze every time Al Quieda punches us in the nose, then they control us!
            The answers lie within, Grasshopper! We need to change the way our government works, so it works for everyone, not just for the rich! Living wages, living retirements, healthcare for all Americans, and for those who visit, just like they have in Europe, and Canada, with constant investments in new technology and research to stay ahead in this competitive world, while building friendships, not border fences and jails for the poor!
            Investing in the rich, who never dribble down anything except an apology for not being able to give us yet another deserved raise to keep us up with the rate of inflation, while the profits are going to the CEO and the investment class leaves too many people in the dirt on our own side of the fence!
            Maybe we should build a wall around Wall Street , to keep us separated from the rich, who control us! They might like that! maybe you would feel safer there!
            I think your zeal for a solution, based on law, isn’t a bad thing, but you fail to see that the laws can change to facilitate reform, something the Republican Party refuses to do, while they puppeteer for the rich campaign finance dollars! A border fence, or mass deportation does nothing! It is a pain pill, where an operation is the only solution! When both parties have to get their financing from the rich, America, as the people would like to see it, is a lost vision!
            Right now, the Republicans are the ones deciding Austerity is the valid solution, when it only kills more jobs, making our plight even grimmer! How can one kill jobs and expect taxes to continue to provide the same benefits! This is the fallacy of the Republicans, from Paul Ryan on down! More people out of work, means more money spent shoring them up until they get back to work, costing us twice!
            Of course, the rich like as many poor people as they can create fighting over the lousy wages, and that’s why they promote austerity and de-regulation, so profits can rise, with no expectations of ever having to dribble it down! Hell, they’ll even hire illegals to make it even harder to command a decent wage in America!
            Your ire is aimed at the wrong end of the spectrum, my friend! It’s not the poor who drive wages, it’s the lack of unions, hiring and training the best workers, because they offer the best benefits, that keeps the rich at bay, forcing them to lift wages, too, if they want access to those best workers!
            The Red States are killing the unions, one by one! The only organizations that can compete with the Republican Party’s rich financiers are strong unions! Without the power of unions to strike, to negotiate fair wages, and benefits, and pensions, and healthcare and safety standards, and have their members pay a little for those services, that Republicans are killing with laws, designed to defund the union power by allowing members of the trade to get out of paying “dues” for the benefits of representation with carefully crafted Red State Laws, designed to weaken unions!
            Here, in California, we have the “At Will” Employers, whose agreement with their workers allows the companies to hire and fire “at will” with no explanation required! What happens in these companies, is the over-hiring of workers by double or triple what they need, in order to always have a waiting workforce, ready to be put into action, when the need arises!
            But what they do after that is what kills our wages! They put the knowledgeable professionals out front to start the projects to make the customers happy, and once the project is underway, and the plans are perfected, they pull the pro’s out, and bring in the new hires, or illegals! They both get paid the same, minimum wages, so it doesn’t matter where they hail from! They get the project almost completed, with the mistakes they left behind, and a couple of days before a project completion date , when the project is in jeopardy, the pro’s get another call to go out, save the project, and find and fix whatever is messed up!
            Mostly, these pros sit at home, getting paid for working about 22 hours a week, allowing them to collect unemployment, even though they make great hourly wages, except they never get enough hours to pay their bills! In fact, they end up making about the same as those minimum wagers, who they are expected to train to replace them with!
            Our laws need to change! It’s not “the people” at fault! It’s not the immigrants, or illegals, at fault! It’s the sociopathic greed of corporations, owned by foreign nationals, or Bain Capitals, building and harvesting profits, keeping available workers out of work, fighting for low wages, with no respect for the workers left behind, dependent upon state and federal services, while the corporations trade away our rights and convince the ill-informed (you) to blame the illegals, for taking our jobs!
            Can you see why unions need to be part of our solution? Can you see why I do not look at the workers as the problem?
            The reason why any business fails is bad management! In this nation, the bad management is the Republican Party, who protect the wealth of the rich, instead of facilitating transactions, making the economy as a whole, rich! Blame them for the low wages! Blame them for the 46% of the at, or below poverty level wage earners, not the illegals. We are a nation of over 300 million people, with over 250 million workers! A few million illegals aren’t the reason this nation is sucking! It is the gas pumps that say “insert wallets here” and buy our cheap products, made by slaves, with minimum wagers using government funds to supplement the lousy wages of Wal-Mart workers that costs you and me, while Wal-Mart, in each year, brings home as much as 40 percent of our working population! One corporation, owned by one family! Aren’t we the New Mexico, because of their loopholes?

          • CPAinNewYork says:

            That stuff about the illegals doing the jobs that Americans won’t do is pure baloney. They’re undermining our political and economic systems and must be stopped, as must the rich and the business people who are causing the problem.

        • jack says:

          yea those years where you could get 10% in you bank account were in years republicans occupied the white house you fool !

      • tax payer says:

        If he serves the time and goes back, and digs it out than maybe he can keep it, but he has to find another country to use his new Wealth.

        • labrown69 says:

          Exactly my point. To give those who broke the law to come here an unfair advantage over others who are willing to immigrate legally, often from Darfur and Sierra Leon and places where they are not just broke for refusing to participate in their own government but in genuine danger for their lives. You don’t give a bank robber the money back after he is apprehended and you don’t put an illegal immigrant the front of the line no matter how much clout their lobby has and no matter how self conscious stupid liberals are about being called racist when this has nothing to do with race.

          • tax payer says:

            It’s not suppose to happen that way, but it will happen for the illegals, if Immigration Reform passes because they think only of themselves and not of those that came legally to be first in line.

    • CPAinNewYork says:

      They shouldn’t be allowed to stay because they’re taking jobs that belong to Americans at slave wages.This benefits the business scumbags that caused this problem in the first place.

      There’s an additional problem: the illegals are contributing to the violent gang problem in America.

      I want to drive the illegals out, back to the third world hell holes from where they came. We already have high unemployment. Why do you want to keep them here?

      And they can take their “anchor babies” with them. Good riddance. This is easily accomplished if you’re of a legalistic turn of mind: introduce an amendment to the Constitution that denies citizenship to the offspring of anyone who enters this country illegally.

      • EZ2figure says:

        You’re just a white racist, who will step on whatever bodies you find that are smaller than you. You have no soul! It is corrupted by your sense of entitlement! Yet, you’re a Republican!
        If we legalize pot, the gang problem is reduced, because those who push other drugs on corners are the ones in gangs, not the ones inside businesses, bringing millions of dollars into our economy, without being taxed because of Federal law!
        If you are a CPA, you sure think it’s just a simple walk in the park to pass an amendment to our Constitution that no one but a racist wants, to tear 13 million folks apart, willing to send them to a country they no longer can exist in, thinking they won’t retaliate! Were you born in a cabbage patch?
        Dude, crawl out from your money pit!
        Want to come to LA and see if you can deport a couple million illegals? Do you think their friends and neighbors will just stand there watching? Have you ever been in a riot torn city? I have lived through the Watts riots, and the thing you propose would be reason enough for them to start an out and out race war! You’re not worth talking to, because you can’t think straight! Did your mother dress you this morning, too?
        You just seem to always look down on people, never giving an inch of respect for their past, or what drew them here in the first place! You don’t know the reasons why they came here! You don’t care! You think they are stealing jobs! Your reasoning always leads to blaming the poor, never the rich who hire them! You are just a tool!
        Maybe we should have an intelligence test for CPA’s?

        • CPAinNewYork says:

          You’re mentally defective.

          • EZ2figure says:

            Ahh, the republican came out again! You just couldn’t respond with a reason! You just had to attack the truth-teller! Typical righty ploy to make it just seem like my rant was useless, but it isn’t and you know it!
            Did I hit too close to home on my explanation of you? Sorry! Didn’t mean to ruin your day, even if you want to demean me, in order to deny your uselessness! Jesus forgives you, too!

    • jack says:

      want to destroy the rule of law vote democrat!

    • jack says:

      want communism? vote democrat!

      • EZ2figure says:

        Want a life? Never get into a one-sided conversation with Jack, who is blind, doesn’t listen, and his dog pees on his leg!

  10. tax payer says:

    I think ( Gutierrez ) has been out in the hot sun too long ( marching with the illegals ) and he has assumption that others are going to listen to him. The Republicans stand together except for a few traitors. They should be able to win for us and not for this man. Luis Gutierrez should go to Mexico and live there, and try to improve their situation there.

  11. RobertCHastings says:

    Both sides do it, refuse to bring a bill to the floor if the majority of the majority party don’t want to vote for it. The Republicans call it the Hastert Rule. They really are not concerned if the majority of the total House membership would vote for it, only if the majority of the Republicans would vote for it. Which ever side uses this tactic, it is stupid.

  12. joejo says:

    as long as you have illegal immigration, you have people who are willing to work for much less than minimum wage. We sacrifice by lowering our standards so the employer hires more and pays less. If we started paying a realistic wage we would not have all the welfare programs, subsidies, and give away programs…people would actually work for their wage and be able to live on it…..OUR GOVERNMENT, is the exception…..they don’t seem to be able to live within their established budget so, we have to keep compensating them more and more thru taxes…..so who actually wins here….As long as we the people are willing to do nothing, we lose. Think about it…how much of the US dollars earned by illegals….and i’m not just talking about Mexican/Muslim/Korean/Japanese/etc, etc….go out of the country to families outside the US……LOTS…so, again, who are we really supporting…..the US economy or someone elses? We have families of illegals buying up foreclosed homes and paying cash…..sometimes 4 families live in one house designed for 1 family….BUT the fact that they pay cash…no one seems to care that they are in a single family dwelling……this is how ghetto’s begin…..take a good look at Detroit and what’s happened there……

    • tax payer says:

      Illegals work for cash and never report their income, and they won’t report it once they are allowed to stay here since they won’t apply for positions that will take Federal Income Tax from their income,

  13. bikejedi says:

    Luis is a former Chicago Cab driver . He is a Puerto Rican separatist and FALN supporter . He is also a noted manipulator . I would not put too much stock in his version .

  14. disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

    As long as Boehner follows the Hastert Doctrine, he will never allow a vote on any bill that requires bipartisan support to pass. It must pass based only on Republican Votes, otherwise it will be seen as a defeat to their party. It doesn’t matter if it is immigration reform, jobs, tax reform or anything else. This was the doctrine that started after Tom DeLay engineered Newt Gingrich’s resignation as Speaker and set his hand picked candidate, Dennis Hastert, in the Speaker’s chair. What is amusing is that even though Hastert was supposedly the leader of the Republicans in the House and right behind the Vice-President in succession to the Oval Office, he did nothing that would have opposed or offended Tom DeLay.

  15. tax payer says:

    He must also be a Dreamer. Wake up Luis ( you don’t have the votes ) and you know it.

  16. Vance P. Frickey says:

    Cutting in front of the line is what the morally handicapped do. And that’s exactly what illegal immigration IS. And providing “a path to citizenship” to those who spat on our laws to even be in this country doesn’t strike me as a great way to select future citizens.

    We HAD immigration reform in 1986 – the Simpson-Mazzoli Act, complete with an amnesty program for illegal immigrants and sincere, heartfelt promises from Congress that this would definitely be it, the end, no more illegal immigration.

    So why should we believe THIS Congress?

  17. tax payer says:

    They are here because they came illegally, so sure they need to go, but instead our Government wants to reward them.

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