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		<title>By: jiggymama</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112730</link>
		<dc:creator>jiggymama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going over the cliff is the best idea for all. This entire country needs an overhaul.  Let&#039;s go over the cliff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going over the cliff is the best idea for all. This entire country needs an overhaul.  Let&#8217;s go over the cliff.</p>
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		<title>By: montanabill</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112442</link>
		<dc:creator>montanabill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It always simply reinforces the fact that most Obama supporters listen to the rhetoric, but simply can&#039;t think things through.   It also clearly points out the lack of education in basics like history, civics and the sciences.   We have moved from the &#039;can do&#039; generations to the &#039;do it for me&#039; generation.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It always simply reinforces the fact that most Obama supporters listen to the rhetoric, but simply can&#8217;t think things through.   It also clearly points out the lack of education in basics like history, civics and the sciences.   We have moved from the &#8216;can do&#8217; generations to the &#8216;do it for me&#8217; generation.   </p>
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		<title>By: johninPCFL</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112295</link>
		<dc:creator>johninPCFL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you &#039;get it&#039; you&#039;re the first conservative here who does. The rest continue to yammer about cutting waste and fraud (which I agree is necessary) as the way to close the gap. If you truly &#039;get it&#039; you understand that all the discretionary spending, plus all military spending, plus all medicaid spending combined just barely covers the deficit. Most conservatives apparently can&#039;t (or won&#039;t) do the simple arithmetic.

The national debt grew under the Clinton presidency. A minor tweak to the retirement age or a change to the medicaid and Medicare eligibility rules, or a few bases closed overseas, could have fixed it then, and turned a budget surplus into a real surplus. The problem is much larger now. The drug benefit, passed for pure political gain, is now a huge driver of the debt. Yes, the SS contribution surplus that was counted as &quot;general revenue&quot; for decades has now turned over. The $2.7T worth of bonds and bills issued can no longer be cashed against tax receipts, but now are cashed with borrowed money.

Yes, the old people who make up the largest percentage of Romney&#039;s infamous 47% have become accustomed to a meager SS and medical care monthly stipend, and are proud to live &quot;independently&quot;. Most of that was unattainable to previous generations of seniors. They lived with their children until they died, or in &quot;old folks homes&quot; (and I remember them.)  Their medical concerns were largely overlooked; they died of &quot;old age&quot; and &quot;natural causes&quot;. Today they die of alzheimer&#039;s and cancer, both of which destroy a lifetime&#039;s accumulation of weath in a few years.

The teabaggers are universally infused with the &quot;keep your government hands outta my Medicare&quot; mentality. It&#039;s a really good deal for them; they pay for about 60% of the services they get, the taxpayers making up the difference. Seems just a bit hypocritical, though, don&#039;t you think?

States set medicaid eligibility and the fedgov issues money to them as block grants. The states with the largest medicaid usage rates (the impoversihed and working poor) are red politically, and went for Romney in droves. &quot;Keep the federal gov outta my medicaid&quot;? Seems a bit hypocritical, don&#039;t you think?

The president proposed $400B in cuts and $160B of tax increases per year. That would have brought the average deficit back down to what was normal throughout the GWB years ($400B to $600B until the last three years when the crash occured.) The GOP laughed and walked out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you &#8216;get it&#8217; you&#8217;re the first conservative here who does. The rest continue to yammer about cutting waste and fraud (which I agree is necessary) as the way to close the gap. If you truly &#8216;get it&#8217; you understand that all the discretionary spending, plus all military spending, plus all medicaid spending combined just barely covers the deficit. Most conservatives apparently can&#8217;t (or won&#8217;t) do the simple arithmetic.</p>
<p>The national debt grew under the Clinton presidency. A minor tweak to the retirement age or a change to the medicaid and Medicare eligibility rules, or a few bases closed overseas, could have fixed it then, and turned a budget surplus into a real surplus. The problem is much larger now. The drug benefit, passed for pure political gain, is now a huge driver of the debt. Yes, the SS contribution surplus that was counted as &#8220;general revenue&#8221; for decades has now turned over. The $2.7T worth of bonds and bills issued can no longer be cashed against tax receipts, but now are cashed with borrowed money.</p>
<p>Yes, the old people who make up the largest percentage of Romney&#8217;s infamous 47% have become accustomed to a meager SS and medical care monthly stipend, and are proud to live &#8220;independently&#8221;. Most of that was unattainable to previous generations of seniors. They lived with their children until they died, or in &#8220;old folks homes&#8221; (and I remember them.)  Their medical concerns were largely overlooked; they died of &#8220;old age&#8221; and &#8220;natural causes&#8221;. Today they die of alzheimer&#8217;s and cancer, both of which destroy a lifetime&#8217;s accumulation of weath in a few years.</p>
<p>The teabaggers are universally infused with the &#8220;keep your government hands outta my Medicare&#8221; mentality. It&#8217;s a really good deal for them; they pay for about 60% of the services they get, the taxpayers making up the difference. Seems just a bit hypocritical, though, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>States set medicaid eligibility and the fedgov issues money to them as block grants. The states with the largest medicaid usage rates (the impoversihed and working poor) are red politically, and went for Romney in droves. &#8220;Keep the federal gov outta my medicaid&#8221;? Seems a bit hypocritical, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>The president proposed $400B in cuts and $160B of tax increases per year. That would have brought the average deficit back down to what was normal throughout the GWB years ($400B to $600B until the last three years when the crash occured.) The GOP laughed and walked out.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom_D44</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112239</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom_D44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get it.  We spend too much and we have convinced ourselves as a society, that everything we spend our money on is absolutely necessary in order for us to survive.  Do you really believe that to be true OR can you admit that these are promises that were made to us by our government, many of which no longer work and have been continuously mismanaged by these politicians over the years - both republican and democrat?  And how do we keep our country&#039;s finances together if we don&#039;t seriously cut spending, can only tax a ridiculously small amount of our way out of this, and continue to rack up enormous debt?  This is an unsustainable situation. 

And you can&#039;t use the Clinton model anymore because his surplus was calculated using a social security fund that was flush with cash because it was, at that time, taking in more than it was paying out.  That is no longer the case.  

I believe we need to raise taxes and that is inevitable, but any well read person knows that this revenue issue is not a serious part of the solution and is all politics.  I also, believe that the goverment has mismanaged our money all this time and will continue to do so as they run around the country making more promises knowing there is no way to pay for it - Obama is still doing this.  He is a perpetual campaigner and really doesn&#039;t do much else.  So while we should all pay more in taxes and share in the pain of past mistakes by all of our politicians, I believe that we need to do this only to re-teach ourselves what not to do again in the future.  But I also believe that raising taxes will hurt the economy since it is not very robust at this time, it will hurt people since they are not making what they used to make, and that the money will likely not be used to pay down the debt as it should be - but rather it will be used for more spending to fulfill campaign promises and try to hold on to power.  

The bottom line is that the debt is unsustainable, and we can not keep going on like this without serious reforms.  True equality and fairness will never happen as long as you have all the different kind of people in the world that we have and unless you are headed down the communism path, we need to acknowledge that capitalism has its flaws but through-out history has provided the most prosperity and individual freedom, for all the classes, than any other economic model.  Sure it doesn&#039;t provide equality, sure there are haves and have nots, but don&#039;t those same classes exist in communist China - but even to the more extremes?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get it.  We spend too much and we have convinced ourselves as a society, that everything we spend our money on is absolutely necessary in order for us to survive.  Do you really believe that to be true OR can you admit that these are promises that were made to us by our government, many of which no longer work and have been continuously mismanaged by these politicians over the years &#8211; both republican and democrat?  And how do we keep our country&#8217;s finances together if we don&#8217;t seriously cut spending, can only tax a ridiculously small amount of our way out of this, and continue to rack up enormous debt?  This is an unsustainable situation. </p>
<p>And you can&#8217;t use the Clinton model anymore because his surplus was calculated using a social security fund that was flush with cash because it was, at that time, taking in more than it was paying out.  That is no longer the case.  </p>
<p>I believe we need to raise taxes and that is inevitable, but any well read person knows that this revenue issue is not a serious part of the solution and is all politics.  I also, believe that the goverment has mismanaged our money all this time and will continue to do so as they run around the country making more promises knowing there is no way to pay for it &#8211; Obama is still doing this.  He is a perpetual campaigner and really doesn&#8217;t do much else.  So while we should all pay more in taxes and share in the pain of past mistakes by all of our politicians, I believe that we need to do this only to re-teach ourselves what not to do again in the future.  But I also believe that raising taxes will hurt the economy since it is not very robust at this time, it will hurt people since they are not making what they used to make, and that the money will likely not be used to pay down the debt as it should be &#8211; but rather it will be used for more spending to fulfill campaign promises and try to hold on to power.  </p>
<p>The bottom line is that the debt is unsustainable, and we can not keep going on like this without serious reforms.  True equality and fairness will never happen as long as you have all the different kind of people in the world that we have and unless you are headed down the communism path, we need to acknowledge that capitalism has its flaws but through-out history has provided the most prosperity and individual freedom, for all the classes, than any other economic model.  Sure it doesn&#8217;t provide equality, sure there are haves and have nots, but don&#8217;t those same classes exist in communist China &#8211; but even to the more extremes?</p>
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		<title>By: montanabill</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112138</link>
		<dc:creator>montanabill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 02:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get the details on the &#039;$4T&#039; in cuts.   I&#039;m trying to point out to you that even if the Republicans give in to returning the top 2% to pre-tax cuts levels, it will have almost NO, NONE, NA-NA effect on the deficit and debt increase!  The compromise must involve REAL CUTS not some phantom, in the future cuts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get the details on the &#8216;$4T&#8217; in cuts.   I&#8217;m trying to point out to you that even if the Republicans give in to returning the top 2% to pre-tax cuts levels, it will have almost NO, NONE, NA-NA effect on the deficit and debt increase!  The compromise must involve REAL CUTS not some phantom, in the future cuts.</p>
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		<title>By: montanabill</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-112137</link>
		<dc:creator>montanabill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 02:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other words, you haven&#039;t thought it through.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, you haven&#8217;t thought it through.</p>
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		<title>By: tobewan</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-111876</link>
		<dc:creator>tobewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting!  And America has stopped the GOP this time, temporarily.
America needs to STOP d GOP permanently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!  And America has stopped the GOP this time, temporarily.<br />
America needs to STOP d GOP permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: SaneJane</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaneJane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If the national debt were to reduced to zero the country would be a wasteland.  Your understanding of economics for a monetarily sovereign nation is sadly lacking.   You obviously come up short on the question of inflation also.  Money is created by government spending, spending usually buys something.   How does money get into the system?  It isn&#039;t just distributed, it is spent for things that have value.  This does not create inflation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the national debt were to reduced to zero the country would be a wasteland.  Your understanding of economics for a monetarily sovereign nation is sadly lacking.   You obviously come up short on the question of inflation also.  Money is created by government spending, spending usually buys something.   How does money get into the system?  It isn&#8217;t just distributed, it is spent for things that have value.  This does not create inflation.</p>
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		<title>By: tobewan</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/how-did-fix-the-debt-become-protect-the-bush-tax-cuts/#comment-111779</link>
		<dc:creator>tobewan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to Mark&#039;s article, there is NO FISCAL CLIFF, rather it&#039;s a catch phrase by the republicon party to scare the American public and to use against our President.  The &quot;ECONOMY&quot; that would be HURT by allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire pertains strictly to their (the 1-2%) ability to continue to rake in the millions and billions in profits - profits that come primarily from hard-laboring vast middle-class and poor of America.  They seem to care less about Americans and America&#039;s government, America&#039;s fiscal state, and America&#039;s sustainability, short or long-range, but care mainly for how well America can line their pockets, increase their profits, and live in a fashion well beyond the average American&#039;s ability and hopes.   Over decades, far back as Reagan, have watched how the republicons con the American public with words and claims, making white appear black and black appear white.  This past election and the past four years have brought out in the forefront just how treacherous, tricky, and down-right cut-throat the republicon party and their supporters can be.  When they squawk about how dire things would be for America, it&#039;s THEIR pocket-book they are worried about, NOT YOURS.
Allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire, IS NOT RAISING TAXES!  It&#039;s simply restoring the amount taxes they should have been paying every year, and by rights, they should be made to pay reto-actively all the millions and billions that the giant corporations have gained in the process.  They can afford to pay, and it would fittingly undo the bad choice Bush made.
Restoring retro-actively what America LOST, would effectively make sure they never pull that stunt again.
Was it Lincoln that said, America would fail from within?  From its beginning it has been fraught with conflict, the rich against the poor, the capitalists against labor, and the HAVES against the HAVE-NOTS.  America has, alas, a self-defeating system, but it&#039;s not just here, it has become world-wide.  Corruption is rampant in a world-wide, global economy.  All nations having been brought together in ONE ECONOMY.
Global, in filfillment of prophecy - which is a pre-knowning of what would result in end-times, where mankind would bring about their own undoing.  And, like it or not, there is NO ESCAPING the conflict.  The Rich are destined to &#039;hang on for dear life&#039; to their riches and their life-style.  The prevalence of communication helps to and is exposing the tenacious battle between &quot;haves and have-nots.&quot;  The &quot;haves&quot; believe their money will SAVE them, but the &quot;have-nots&quot; are far greater in number, and it is THEY whom the HAVES must depend on.
The ultimate solution is needing to depend upon a higher order of intelligence, and it WILL eventually come to that, yea, IT IS coming to that, as we are currently in a transition period from the man&#039;s OLD and unworkable ways into a new, better, and righteous kingdom.
The Lord&#039;s Prayer - OUR prayer - is for that kingdom to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to Mark&#8217;s article, there is NO FISCAL CLIFF, rather it&#8217;s a catch phrase by the republicon party to scare the American public and to use against our President.  The &#8220;ECONOMY&#8221; that would be HURT by allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire pertains strictly to their (the 1-2%) ability to continue to rake in the millions and billions in profits &#8211; profits that come primarily from hard-laboring vast middle-class and poor of America.  They seem to care less about Americans and America&#8217;s government, America&#8217;s fiscal state, and America&#8217;s sustainability, short or long-range, but care mainly for how well America can line their pockets, increase their profits, and live in a fashion well beyond the average American&#8217;s ability and hopes.   Over decades, far back as Reagan, have watched how the republicons con the American public with words and claims, making white appear black and black appear white.  This past election and the past four years have brought out in the forefront just how treacherous, tricky, and down-right cut-throat the republicon party and their supporters can be.  When they squawk about how dire things would be for America, it&#8217;s THEIR pocket-book they are worried about, NOT YOURS.<br />
Allowing the Bush Tax Cuts to expire, IS NOT RAISING TAXES!  It&#8217;s simply restoring the amount taxes they should have been paying every year, and by rights, they should be made to pay reto-actively all the millions and billions that the giant corporations have gained in the process.  They can afford to pay, and it would fittingly undo the bad choice Bush made.<br />
Restoring retro-actively what America LOST, would effectively make sure they never pull that stunt again.<br />
Was it Lincoln that said, America would fail from within?  From its beginning it has been fraught with conflict, the rich against the poor, the capitalists against labor, and the HAVES against the HAVE-NOTS.  America has, alas, a self-defeating system, but it&#8217;s not just here, it has become world-wide.  Corruption is rampant in a world-wide, global economy.  All nations having been brought together in ONE ECONOMY.<br />
Global, in filfillment of prophecy &#8211; which is a pre-knowning of what would result in end-times, where mankind would bring about their own undoing.  And, like it or not, there is NO ESCAPING the conflict.  The Rich are destined to &#8216;hang on for dear life&#8217; to their riches and their life-style.  The prevalence of communication helps to and is exposing the tenacious battle between &#8220;haves and have-nots.&#8221;  The &#8220;haves&#8221; believe their money will SAVE them, but the &#8220;have-nots&#8221; are far greater in number, and it is THEY whom the HAVES must depend on.<br />
The ultimate solution is needing to depend upon a higher order of intelligence, and it WILL eventually come to that, yea, IT IS coming to that, as we are currently in a transition period from the man&#8217;s OLD and unworkable ways into a new, better, and righteous kingdom.<br />
The Lord&#8217;s Prayer &#8211; OUR prayer &#8211; is for that kingdom to come.</p>
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		<title>By: joceandre</title>
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		<dc:creator>joceandre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Obama needs to put his pants on and deal with those guys .  He is no longer running for office. Now it&#039;s time to go to congress and senate and kick ass. Show them who is the boss  that&#039;s why we elected him for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama needs to put his pants on and deal with those guys .  He is no longer running for office. Now it&#8217;s time to go to congress and senate and kick ass. Show them who is the boss  that&#8217;s why we elected him for.</p>
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