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Wednesday, September 28, 2016

Immigration ironically has become the sort of wedge issue for Republicans that Republicans used to inflict on Democrats.

Back when liberal Democrats dominated Washington in the 1960s, Republicans like Richard M. Nixon divided their opposition with issues like racial quotas, welfare reform and “crime in the streets.” Their success showed up in the “Reagan Democrats,” among others who helped the Grand Old Party win five of the six presidential elections between 1968 and 1988.

But six years ago we saw President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, among other Republicans, abandon their push for comprehensive immigration reform against stiff opposition from their party’s right wing. To the right, Bush’s “pathway to citizenship” looked like Ronald Reagan’s amnesty from the 1980s, which led to today’s estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants.

It also led to a lot of demagogic rhetoric about “illegals,” border fences and self-deportation in the 2012 Republican presidential primaries that led to nominee Mitt Romney’s defeat, according to the post-election “autopsy” report ordered by party leaders.

“If Hispanic Americans perceive that a GOP nominee or candidate does not want them in the United States (i.e. self-deportation),” said the report, “they will not pay attention to our next sentence.”

Romney won only 27 percent of the Hispanic vote, compared to President Bush’s modern-day record of 44 percent in 2004, which also happened to be the only presidential election in the last six in which the Republican nominee won the popular vote, the report noted.

As former Texas Rep. Dick Armey, now a Tea Party movement leader, was quoted as saying in the report, “You can’t call someone ugly and expect them to go to the prom with you.”

Suddenly comprehensive immigration reform came back to life as Republican leaders sounded ready to try everything short of putting on sombreros and singing “La Bamba” to court the Hispanic vote.

But as a bipartisan “Gang of Eight” brought a compromise bill to the Senate floor, a new divide opened up, particularly in the House, whose members answer to districts gerrymandered to be as conservative and, therefore, as reliably Republican as possible.

Republicans lawmakers found themselves on the horns of a demographic dilemma: Should they support the bill and risk challenges from even farther right in the next primaries? Or should they oppose the bill and risk the Grand Old Party’s ability to win the White House or control Congress — as the Census Bureau expects non-Hispanic whites also to become a minority by the mid-2040s?

  • tax payer

    Yes, it seems they came out of the closet and now will be wearing silk panties. Those Rats will try anything to bring in the Fish with a tempting Worm for them to swallow.

    • sigrid28

      Here is a troll, if not an imposter, put here to drag out commentary along unproductive lines. Let’s just ignore him/her.

      • CrankyToo

        Tax Payer is no troll. He’s just a garden variety conservative Repugnican Tea Party dumbass, and he’s exactly the kind of bigoted dirtbag who is central to this piece.

        That said, I think we should salute and encourage Tax Payer because he (and those like him) are accelerating the demise of the Greedy Old Prick party. Keep up the good work, Tax Payer.

        • sigrid28

          Best screen name ever!

          • CrankyToo

            Thank you for that, sigrid. It’s really a misnomer, but don’t tell anyone.

    • Russell Byrd

      Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
      discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
      people.[1].They
      may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or
      off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room,
      or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
      response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

      There were pictures of tax payer and mike next to the definition. 🙂

      • mike

        Is this the same Russell who claims the “life of Julia, is a spoof by Obama. LOL!!!

        • Russell Byrd

          The same Russell that took that little obnoxious arrogant creep to the cleaners, because mike was too stupid to realize he was being taken in. The same Russell that pointed that mike lacked the common sense to understand that, for all intents and purposes, his statistics were all gathered from the same biased sources. Yep, that’s me.
          I am sorry to tell you that this topic is: Immigration Wedge Issue Splits GOP. Seems you missed that again.

          Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
          discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
          people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room,
          or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional
          response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

          • mike

            So delusional that you are even funnier. It seems you and your ilk are the ones off topic. If you don’t like the message you revert back to the same old worn out words about the right. What I see are a bunch of lemmings spouting the same old diarrhea. Tax payer and Canistercook express their thoughts and immediately the derision starts. I bet you and your ilk also think your s _ _t doesn’t stick. LOL!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            OOOOOH, the profanity! Oh my goodness! Actually, my s__t probably does smell better than you. I mean any part of you. And that was known long ago.

            Actually, this topic is: Immigration Wedge Issue Splits GOP. Seems you missed that again.

            Wikipedia defines: a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows
            discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset
            people.[1].They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

          • mike

            Funny as usual and full of it.

  • ram1020

    It is refreshing to have Senators from both parties discussing issues rather than blindly following some party line.

  • Catskinner

    It’s hard to understand why Republicans are supporting this. It will mark the end of their party, completely.

    • sigrid28

      But not until most of them are gone. They will be the party of “live for the day.”

    • Sand_Cat

      Most people who “care about the country” certainly hope it will be the end of the current racist, neo-Nazi right in the GOP. But then, there’s you.

    • Russell Byrd

      If this country survives the Pub lunacy for the next several election cycles, and they continue on their current path, they WILL go to pieces anyway. The majority of the population despises their policies. Well, the lack of any decent, genuine policies. You cannot be in a minority and be at war with everyone around you. They are only in existence now by their use of divide and conquer, hate thy neighbor propaganda funded by super rich donors. Unfortunately, for them, demographics alone will ensure their demise. The Pubs will evolve to accept diversity, or die. The Pubs hate “evolving,” so there seems only one possible outcome. There will be a new party to fill the void and it will likely be formed from “moderates” from both of the current parties. Anything left of the current Republicon party will be a tea bagger splinter sniping at mainstream poliltics from the sidelines. So, if we can weather the storm, we may be in better shape than anytime in the last 30 years.

  • Dominick Vila

    The Republicans that are actively working on immigration reform are taking a huge political risk in a party with a large number of members whose top priorities are abortion, gay marriage, and cultural intolerance. I am willing to bet that some of these Republicans will not be re-elected as a result of the position they have taken on immigration reform, regardless of how benign the changes turn out to be. The only thing that would impress Tea Party members will be the deportation of ALL Hispanics-Latinos regardless of place of birth, and sending ALL African Americans back to Africa. The movement that began with a focus on fiscal responsibility and spending reductions has evolved into a branch of White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the KKK and everything that is wrong with our society.

    • Lovefacts

      Well said, Dominick.

      A decade ago, I told friends at my synagogue that I was very worried at the direction the Republican party was taking. In 2008, I suggested they listen to the Republican party rhetoric and compare it to the Nazi Party’s talking points. If you substitute Muslim for Jew, Latinos/illegals for Gypsy, liberals for communists, and kept homosexuals and those in the arts the same then their speeches are almost identical. And IMO, it wouldn’t be too long before they came after the Jews, not with them always saying this was and is a Christian country. Not true, but when in the last 20 years have they ever cared about the truth and history?

    • sigrid28

      Agreed. Let us say the Republicans who can stomach immigration reform hold their noses and vote for the compromise bill. In their districts and states, far right candidates defeat them in primaries. Who then shall win the elections for political office? Will far right candidates on the Republican ticket in gerrymandered districts? Will Democrats who sound sane compared to Republicans on the far right win the Senate? Would there be a war of attrition taking place over several elections in which the Republican party, staking out such an extreme position, makes such an ugly scene of itself that when the new census comes around in 2020, Democrats with larger constituencies on a statewide basis can free up the districts Republican legislatures gerrymandered enough to allow fairer representation? The wild card in all of this is money from the far right dominating elections for the foreseeable future.

      • Dominick Vila

        The consequences of supporting bills that are offensive to the most extreme wing of the Republican far are going to be far reaching. I expect Rubio to be re-elected, if nothing else because Florida’s Hispanics will support his courage, but people like McCain and others are going to pay a stiff price for their courage and their decision to do what they know is right.

    • mike

      I see more ridiculous statements from you again. You know, like the time you said, “Mainstream Media has maligned, insulted, and threaten Obama since 2009”. You were sure wrong then and your exaggerations today are pure BS.

      • Sand_Cat

        The only ridiculous statements and exaggerations here are yours. And you never completed your assignment of finding ANYTHING the Obama administration did that was as bad as either of TWO Bush “accomplishments,” so everyone knows all your hysteria and criticism of Obama and the Democrats is nothing but more loud-mouthed hypocrisy from the willfully ignorant. You have some chutzpah talking about exaggeration, little man.

        • mike

          LOL!!! Keep living in the past and ignoring the deep problems that Obama has caused. Looks like IRS scandal will have deep impact on not only his credibility but getting his agenda restarted. AP, Rosen has awakened the press and are demanding more answers, Benghazi is far from over, NSA fall out continues. EPA mancave not a big issue but is accumulative, Russia and China dissing the President over Snowden,

          As to your silly assignment, here is something Obama supported as Senator but now waives the application for some countries. It is called the Child Soldier Prevention Act signed in to law by Bush. The Act makes it a Federal Law to recruit or use children under 15, to sell arm, equipment and training to offending countries. It seem for the last 3 years Obama has waived the application of the law for certain countries. The countries waved are: Libya, South Sudan, Yemen and the Democratic Republic of the Congo all on the State Department List of nations using Child Soldiers. The UN has condemned this action because of the history of human rights abuse by these countries.

          Obama has turned his back on the children strictly for poliiics. Shame on him.

      • Dominick Vila

        If I am not mistaken, what I have said, repeatedly, and will say again is that Republicans have maligned, insulted and threatened President Obama since his first inauguration in January 2009. I have also added, on occasions, that the demonization of our Presidents had the help of a complicit media that never challenges the outlandish claims made routinely by the far right.

        Those Republicans who are supporting immigration law reform are taking huge risks. Sen. McCain had no choice but to reverse course on this issue the last time he ran for re-election, when it became evident that he was going to lose, and switched from his “guest worker” plan, which was the best alternative on the table at the time, to supporting higher fences.

        • mike

          Dominick for all the good posts and critical thinking in the past, for you to now start lying is not only shameful but intellectually dishonest. Trying to change the wording shows your lack of character. Looks like it took you weeks to come up with this lame excuse. You said MM, don’t lie now.

          This thousand page Immigration has many flaws, starting with the main trigger being that some 10 years into the future DHS seretary can certify technology and infrastructure are in place for “effective control” of the border, DHS does not have to achieve “effective control” but merely assert that it has established a system that might achieve control at some point in the future.

          What is more troubling with the amendment of Schumer-Corker- Hoeven “effectiveness rate of 90 percent” meaning 90% are apprehended or turned back but does not have to achieve that number but merely assert that a plan is deployed and operational. The 90% is a nebulous number since we really don’t know the border crossing attempted.

          What most do not talk about are the almost 50% of illegals that over stay their visas. The govt. has no idea where they are.

          You well know that reading a bill is a long process to finally see what it really says, and over the next few weeks we will have a better idea of what is it.

          • Russell Byrd

            I see you are still dishonest and insulting. Hypocrite.

          • mike

            Wrong again!!! Life of Julia a spoof by Obama!!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            I see you are still dishonest and insulting. Hypocrite.

            Now as an honest man, unlike yourself, I will once again offer you a good deal. Not like the “let me win and don’t touch me because I am ‘sweet'” little deal you offered me. Post that you are “done” and this is over. At least, until you stir the hornets up again. You do not have to pay what you owe and you get the last post. I am even honest enough to tell you why. Eventually, a moderator will come looking, so I want to make sure a gave you a better than even chance to stop. A better than that “kiss my ass, don’t touch me” sissy deal you offered me. As well, you are also on record as demanding that I not reply to your insulting posts. In other words, let you have your way. Deny if you like, I do not make threats.

            It is your choice, but this will go on until you make up your mind to end it, or we get thrown off

          • mike

            Still delusional!!! How’s Julia?? LOL!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Julia is fine, says hello, well she would if she could stop laughing at you. I reeled in a big one for her, but we found out it was a “mike,” er I mean turd, so I had to make a trip to the solid waste folks. On the way there a s__t eating dog died after taking a sniff of the “mike.” Then, solid waste said the odor was TOO BAD to even allow into the plant and everything about the “mike” was totally toxic. They sent the “mike” out for tests and concluded that their was nothing human about it. I am going to have to pay to have the “mike” shot into space in a turd capsule.

          • Justin Napolitano

            And many undocumented are not from Mexico but come from countries around the world.

          • mike

            That is correct. I never said those that over stated their visas were from Mexico. Read it again.

          • Dominick Vila

            I don’t remember saying the Mainstream Media, but if I did, I stand by it. The media has been complicit in many of the attacks and demonization against President Obama.
            Subject: Re: New comment posted on Immigration Wedge Issue Splits GOP

          • mike

            Come on Dom, you said MM and never denied it until today.

            Yes the subject is the Immigration Wedge issue, but your generalization of the Republicans of Hispanics and Blacks being sent back is another one of your exaggerations, just like MM. What comments I made on the immigration are relevant and on subject being part of the bill, but you seem be less interested in them and more about going after me for wanting you to be honest.
            If on a subject you make untruthful statements or exaggerations that are misleading I am going to call you on it.

          • Dominick Vila

            Again, I don’t recall saying the Mainstream Media insulted or demonized President Obama, but I do remember saying they have been complicit in his demonization and in the efforts to undermine his record and impede the implementation of his agenda. That opinion is based on the fact that they repeat the wildest statements made by President Obama’s detractors without every challenging them or asking the tough questions that deserve to be asked.
            As a Hispanic, immigration reform is likely to be a lot more important to me than to you. I am convinced that immigration reform did not taken place decades ago because sectors of our economy benefit from the status quo, and I believe our elected officials have remained indifferent to it because they are subservient to the special interests that fund their campaigns and are afraid of the backlash they are likely to get from some of their constituents. If you have proof that I ever said anything to the contrary, please show it to me. Until you do, you are engaging in one of the oldest tactics used by Republicans, destroy the messenger.

          • mike

            Dom, Click on your picture, all of your posts are there to see. The topic was, “Very Bad News, ABC, NBC, CBS.

            I never said anything about “elected officials and backlash from constituents”. So I am not sure what you are talking about.

            What I did challenged you on is your remark, “The only thing that will impress the TP members will be the deportation of ALL Hispanic-Latinos regardless of place of birth, and sending All African Americans back to Africa.” A stupid, ridiculous and untrue statement.

            As to destroying the “messenger”. The messenger(you) said “MM has maligned, insulted, and threatened Obama since 2009”, I have 4 different posts challenging you and several others challenging people who tried to come to your aid. Not once in all the posts did you challenge me on your statement until yesterday when you tried to change the wording.

          • Dominick Vila

            Thank you for citing the alleged distortion of facts which, not surprisingly, is a bit different from what you insinuate. The post that you find offensive or evidence of a lie does not mention the “Mainstream” media as you indicated. It references the “media” which includes the distortions of reality and overt lies expressed on FOX and spouted, repeatedly, by the likes of Rush Limbaugh. Journalists are supposed to seek and report the truth, when they allow claims that bring into question the citizenship of a U.S. President, when they don’t ask the elected official that called a President a liar during a SOTU address, they are not doing their jobs. Instead, they are towing the line for those who sign their paychecks.
            Calls to deport ALL Hispanics-Latinos, ALL African Americans, and anti-Jewish attacks have been the centerpiece of the White Supremacist movement, and they are not shy to make it known. Considering some of the statements made routinely by Obama’s detractors, including in this website, I think it is fair to say that many Tea Party supporters would love nothing more than seeing the ethnic minorities they hate leave this country.
            There are many reasons for the lack of interest shown by former Presidents and Congresses to ignore the need to reform immigration laws based, largely, on a quota system that bars certain people to enter the USA legally for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons, admittedly not the main consideration, is the cultural hatred that prevails among a small but vociferous segment of our population, and the determination of some of our elected official to avoid offending their sensibilities…and lose the votes they need to stay in office.

          • mike

            Dom, so disappointed with this so called response to the MONTH LONG challenge for you to show where the MM maligned, insulted, threatened Obama since 2009. That was your statement and never once up to this post did you deny it when responding to my posts.. Now all of a sudden words are changed,

          • Dominick Vila

            Not as disappointed as I am with your inability to understand a simple and clear answer, your apparent reluctance to double check the alleged evidence cited in one of your responses above as the source for your opinion, and your determination to divert attention from the failures of Republican policies.
            The media has been complicit in the demonization of Barack Obama as a result of their inability to challenge the claims made, repeatedly by the GOP and, especially, by the Tea Party. They seldom, if ever, ask tough questions demanding evidence when Republicans call our President a liar, when they claim he is not an American, when they claim he is a Muslim, or when they accuse him of being a socialist. They became part of the well orchestrated attempts to discredit one of the best presidents this country ever had when they gave his detractors a free pass. A good journalist challenges statements and accusation in an effort to report the truth. That has not happened since Barack Obama was first inaugurated in January 2009. As far as I am concerned, most American media outlets are nothing more than instruments used by special instruments to promote the strategies they need to grow and succeed.
            A recent, and relevant example, of a lazy or complicit media involves the Benghazi tragedy. Why haven’t they ask for evidence supporting the fact that the attack was strictly an act of terrorism that was not influence by an offensive film? Do the people that make this assertion have insider information to support their claim, because to the best of my knowledge none of the thugs that participated in that attack have been arrested, interrogated, or admitted what influenced their decision to attack a foreign diplomatic mission. Again, if the GOP knows the reason, based on fact, why don’t they share those facts with us and why doesn’t the media request evidence to support their claims?

          • CrankyToo

            I think you may have meant to say “Beltway Media” (and you’re exactly correct, as per usual).

      • CrankyToo

        Only in the wingding echo chamber are the rational statements of an erudite individual like Dominick Vila “ridiculous”, and the ridiculous statements of a delusional individual (like yourself) “rational”.

        Don’t you ever tire of acting stupid? Or has it just never occurred to you that the reason most thinking people disagree with you is that you don’t seem to know gooseshit from tapioca?

        I suppose the good news is, you’re qualified to be a member of the Repugnican House caucus. Or how about the Senate? You could be Ted Cruz’s bitch.

        • mike

          I see you are trying to emulating Dom with exaggerations and bombastic statements, that are lies and untruths.
          He puts more thought into his comments that you can form in a year. His problem he gets a carried away with generalizations of the right. I suspect he has had a wonderful career and away from politics would be interesting to talk to.

          • Russell Byrd

            So what are these posts, mike? You are so squeaky clean, hmm? As evidence, when I go ahead and file a complaint against you, one of my defenses of my own actions will be obvious. I responded to you the same way you respond to ALL the other posters, including myself. Unlike myself, you just cannot take what you have dished our, particularly as you started the nastiness. Your the lowest form of scumbag troll there is. A total hypocrite. You know you came to a group that was frequented by people that do not agree with you at all. You persist because you know that your anonymity guarantees your safety. So much for your middle of the road, unbiased commentary.

          • CrankyToo

            Hey Russell, you should think of wingdings like mike and Bozo and Montana Bill as canaries in the coal mine. If we didn’t have them spouting their inanities for all to read, we might not know just how serious the wingnut problem is.

          • Russell Byrd

            I appreciate your reminder. I often lose sight of that benefit.

          • Russell Byrd

            Maybe, I should not do this, but it IS kind of on-topic.

          • CrankyToo

            Great one, Russell. That about sums it up…

          • Russell Byrd

            Yes, thank jarheadjoe for giving us this jewel.

          • mike

            What a silly little boy, run to the teacher when you are stupid.

            Life of Julia, a spoof by Obama. LOL!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Well dirtbag, I would not do it on my own behalf. But I despise, cowardly, hypocritical bullies. You say you are so squeaky clean, but you are the worst offender by far. As I pointed out, I am only bullying the bullies. You know you can waste your life trying to destroy the free speech and well-being of posters that are normally at home in these groups.

          • Russell Byrd

            Hey folks, this dirbag mike, posted off-topic in another group about the “Life of Julia” slideshow. I hate to admit it, but I had never heard of it before. I used the link mike sent to watch it. I told him it was a spoof. I told him it was not done by Obama. He has been about to have a s**t hemorrhage ever since. He went off in rapid fire mode posting like a crazy fool. Then I told him the truth. . . . He has been about to pee himself ever since. I reeled this doofus in big time. And there are more stories that I might get to later.

            Just keep in mind that this idiot is so stupid and so rabid that he could be useful for a quick laugh. He is almost too easy, but there is a sense of satisfaction in reeling a dirtbag that just comes here to disrupt. He is like a lemming in a headlong rush over the cliff.

          • mike

            Finally, you admit you didn’t know what you were talking about when you said, “Life of Julia” was a spoof. Thank God!!

            More importantly another lie from you, i never gave you the link.

            What I said was the Life of Julia expressed the policies of Obama and his “cradle to grave” view of this country. Your next post started with Life of Julia is a spoof-your words. How one could come to that conclusion after watching it is unbelievable , it only shows how out of touch with the real world you are, or was your initial response because you DIDN’T look and just spouted off, at which point I made fun of your thought process.

            You have been on this rampage ever since after being shown up for your lack of knowledge.

          • Russell Byrd

            Frankly, you are embarrassing yourself. You obviously, intentionally did not read what I had written. Actually, I realize you probably scanned enough to know what I really said. The puzzling thing is your total lack of regard for your own personal standing. You are helping propagate the fact that you are a brainless doofus, a true clinical moron. I will see that this goes viral. You are such a stupid disruptor you will find little sympathy anywhere.

          • Russell Byrd

            Actually, once again, I had never heard of “Life of Julia” before you brought it up. That is what I said and it is the truth. Yet, as I have said several times, you bounce from topic to topic to disrupt posters as any troll would. So it occurred to me to play a game. Yeah, you’ve heard this before and you already know it is true. So I came up with the idea for the “spoof.” It has been years since I did anything like this, but I used to do this all the time. Brought back memories, so thanks. Anyway, never in my wildest dreams did I think anyone would be so stupid. You bought the whole thing. Hook, line, and sinker. I did not even have to reel you in. You figuratively jumped into the boat

            My point is, if it were me, I would never bring it up again and I would act like it never happened. A creative man might at least claim that he was on to the game the whole time. More sensibly, maybe hide out for a while until the “smoke” clears. BUT NOT YOU. You have to insist on embarrassing yourself, because you have some sort of psychosis that drives you always be to right and have the only opinion in the group. Let’s face it, even your side thinks you are a moronic loose cannon.

          • mike

            Did you or did you not say, “Life of Julia” is a spoof? Very simple!!!
            You would love for me to quit embarrassing you over your remark, that showed you so uninformed and unprepared in your response. Your superiority complex came out and you actually started believing your own words.

            If you had never heard of it, why emphatically say it was a spoof.

            Each time I have used Julia is to show you how far you are in your ranting from being enlightened informed, educated and most important motivated to know the truth.

            The rest of your post is just the plain CRAP.

          • Russell Byrd

            Mike the troll speaks in the quotes, my answer follow.

            “Did you or did you not say, “Life of Julia” is a spoof? Very simple!!!” 1. The troll is trolling, which is what he does. This whole question is off-topic, however, 2. I have never denied it. In fact, we both know that is the driving force of the entire “mike got reeled in” job. I have proudly stated, really screamed it out loud.

            “You would love for me to quit embarrassing you over your remark, that showed you so uninformed and unprepared in your response.” 1. Please continue to post this. Every time you post this another person will know your stupidity. 2. You troll, I merely reply. I cannot be held responsible for your being off-topic.

            “Your superiority complex came out and you actually started believing your own words.” 1. Your ignorant opinion based on no observable fact. 2. In fact, since you have posted nearly forty times on this same topic, with everyone being off-topic, as you have initiated every conversation, I think a safe conclusion is that you, rather than me, has an ego problem. 3. As far as believing my own words, I spoke the truth, still am speaking the truth, and have no reason to worry about what I have said. 4. You are proving that you do have a problem.

            “If you had never heard of it, why emphatically say it was a spoof. ” 1. This one is the most fun. You have changed your story, and I have all the documentation necessary to prove so. 2. I said, and have said repeatedly, that I had never heard of “Julia.” As the troll you are, you brought up an off-topic point and posted a link. Once again, I say that I had never heard of it. I went to the link and watched the slideshow. NOW TO ANYONE BESIDES AN INFANTILE IDIOT, I do know what “Julia” is about. COURTESY OF MIKE. 4. The choo choo that I ran on you was too merely point out that it was a spoof done by someone other than Obama. Now it gets interesting. The TROLL goes off his nut on a posting spree calling me just about anything he can think of. I continue to reply in character that it is a spoof. This troll goes ballistic. 5. AND THEN I TELL HIM WHAT I HAVE DONE. It shut him up for about half a day. Of course, when the little evil wheels turned long enough, he “reinvented” his BS. 6. The simpler answer is: MIKE LIED. You are spinning a yarn that an eight year old can see through.

            “Each time I have used Julia is to show you how far you are in your ranting from being enlightened informed, educated and most important motivated to know the truth.” 1. This is just crap and not even very coherent crap. 2. I end my post at this point.

            The rest of your post is just the plain CRAP.

          • Russell Byrd

            Mike the troll speaks in the quotes, my answer follow.

            “Did you or did you not say, “Life of Julia” is a spoof? Very simple!!!” 1. The troll is trolling, which is what he does. This whole question is off-topic, however, 2. I have never denied it. In fact, we both know that it is the driving force of the entire “mike got reeled in” job. I have proudly stated, really screamed it out loud.

            “You would love for me to quit embarrassing you over your remark, that showed you so uninformed and unprepared in your response.” 1. Please continue to post this. Every time you post this another person will know your stupidity. 2. You troll, I merely reply. I cannot be held responsible for your being off-topic.

            “Your superiority complex came out and you actually started believing your own words.” 1. Your ignorant opinion based on no observable fact. 2. In fact, since you have posted nearly forty times on this same topic, with everyone being off-topic, as you have initiated every conversation, I think a safe conclusion is that you, rather than me, has an ego problem. 3. As far as believing my own words, I spoke the truth, I still am speaking the truth, and have no reason to worry about what I have said. 4. You are proving that you do have a problem with your ego as you cannot accept the fact that I do not have to kiss your filthy a**.

          • mike

            Another rambling post I won’t dignify

          • Russell Byrd

            You mean, another post that is based on truth and reality, and therefore CANNOT be addressed by you.

          • mike

            I think you need help understanding the word DIGNIFY.
            LOL!!!!

          • Russell Byrd

            I think you need help understanding the word DIGNIFY. Yes, you do. You cannot even account for what you write.

          • mike

            Still chuckling at you and your lame excuses and lies!!!
            Dignify-state of being worthy.
            won’t-will not.
            Pretty simple-won’t dignify.
            One more time, I won’t dignify your ramblings.

          • Russell Byrd

            Your just an ignorant trouble maker. You are making up an answer to a fake problem, dirtbag.

            You need to actually look up the definition, doofus. The phrase more properly is: . . . I won’t dignify WITH AN ANSWER.

            “I think you need help understanding the word DIGNIFY.” Yes, you do. You cannot even account for what you write.

          • mike

            Again, another rambling I won’t dignify. It is a given that an answer is not forthcoming. Pretty simple even for a simpleton like you.

            What will always stand out is when you said, Life of Julia is a spoof, you acted stupidly. You can continue to lie and use all the bluster you want but the fact of your stupidity is well documented and indelible for all.

          • Russell Byrd

            Then why do you post troll. Now for our readers. All you have to do to wind-up “mike” is make claims that are as crazy as he is. He will go ballistic and chain post his little troll self to death. He rants and rants. He is calling me stupid now for the stupid mistakes that HE made. He hates me because I reeled his sorry butt in on the “Life of Julia” slideshow that he insisted I watch. His arrogant assumption is that if he has a problem, brought on by his racism and bigotry, hatred of the poor and working people, then I should merely agree that his evidence is sound and kiss his rear end. A normal, decent, and intelligent person would not expect that to happen. As well, they would show a little kindness and CHRISTIAN charity toward their fellow man, instead of stereotyping everyone he does not like, or agree with, as a bum.

            One indisputable bit of evidence against “mike,” is the fervent, rabid, vicious postings he is now using as a smokescreen to spin this incident back on me. I admitted up front that I lied on purpose. (Will a little mo

          • Russell Byrd

            Then why do you post troll. Now for our readers. All you have to do to
            wind-up “mike” is make claims that are as crazy as he is. He will go
            ballistic and chain post his little troll self to death. He rants and
            rants. He is calling me stupid now for the stupid mistakes that HE
            made. He hates me because I reeled his sorry butt in on the “Life of
            Julia” slideshow that he insisted I watch. His arrogant assumption is
            that if he has a problem, brought on by his racism and bigotry, hatred
            of the poor and working people, then I should merely agree that his
            evidence is sound and kiss his rear end. A normal, decent, and
            intelligent person would not expect that to happen. As well, they would
            show a little kindness and CHRISTIAN charity toward their fellow man,
            instead of stereotyping everyone he does not like, or agree with, as a
            bum.

          • mike

            Keep trying!! Your ramblings I won’t dignify!

            I find it interesting that not one person has come to your defense on Life of Julia, they know you were way off base and uniformed.
            You embarrassed yourself and all your ramblings about me go down the black hole you live in.

          • Russell Byrd

            Moronike, keep using the word dignify. Dignify, if I remember correctly, comes from the same root as dignity. Something else you have absolutely none of.

            And moronike, NO ONE had come to your defense either. What kind of little stupid turd are you. The only negative replies I have had, have come from a couple of the other bullies that frequent the group. AND they did not even mention your rotten butt and your insignificant problems.

          • Russell Byrd

            For moronike,

            In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset people. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topicmessages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion. From Wikipedia

            mike, a.k.a. moronike = troll. This equation has been proofed.

          • Russell Byrd

            First, “a message from our sponsor.”

            In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by trying to start arguments and upset people. They may do this by posting deliberately inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic
            discussion. From Wikipedia

            This “mike” can stop abusing, lying, and bullying at any time he chooses. Admittedly, I ruined his day, BUT I could not have done it without his help. I have twice offered to let him just declare this exchange DONE, but he must continue his assault AND have the last word. That would end this situation and give him that last post that he would sell his soul to get.

            My points to him are: I am not going anywhere, I am not giving in to a lying bully, and I am never going to apologize. Finally, I doubt if he even knows what he wants. He just wants conflict and everyone here knows that is true.

          • Russell Byrd

            Mike, freely repost, as that gives me an opportunity to reply without be accused of being another troll like you.

          • CrankyToo

            Hey, Squire, I’ll be the first to admit that Dom is brilliant! He’s clearly much smarter than I. And he’s more tactful than I am into the bargain. But those are my crosses to bear.

            Your problem is that I’m much smarter than you, which makes you dumber than Dom by an order of magnitude. And that being the case, you shouldn’t respond to his well-conceived, fact-based commentary with your customary dumbass bullshit.

            I know I’ve told you this before, but I’ll say it again: if you can’t elevate your game, you should do yourself a favor, and STFU, lest you perpetuate the notion throughout this forum that you’re a complete moron.

            Sorry to rip your knickers, Squire. I guess I’m feeling a little cranky tonight.

          • mike

            Still laughing mental midget!!!

          • CrankyToo

            That wasn’t meant to be amusing; it was meant to be instructional. But ain’t it just like you to miss the point?

            Send a wingding to school and what does he do? He eats his books.

          • Russell Byrd

            How true, of course it took me about a minute to get my jaw off the floor. Humor and truth generally work hand in hand.

          • Guest

            CrankyToo should be, that post was one fine piece of writing.

          • Russell Byrd

            CrankyToo should be, that was a fine piece of posting.

          • Russell Byrd

            Love your post.

          • Fern Woodfork

            Me Too!! 🙂 He’s Just Another Floating Water Turd Who Also Need To Be Flushed!!

          • Russell Byrd

            Hit the deck, it’s another incoming FWT.

          • Fern Woodfork

            LOL!!!

          • CrankyToo

            Cheers, Bro.

          • Inthenameofliberty

            Don’t worry Mike. Cranky Too, the great narcissistic one, thinks he’s smarter than just about everyone.
            He has quite the ego.
            I’ll stop there. Before I say something that will lower me to his (?) level.

    • Sand_Cat

      Do you really believe the tea party movement EVER had anything to do with fiscal responsibility, other than using it as a lever to cut government programs they didn’t like?

      • Russell Byrd

        The best that I can tell the tea movement is only interested in being against anything that does not directly benefit them. As well, their lack of intelligence and vision has led them to be against many of the programs that actually do benefit them. Maybe, to explain that better, they are against anything that they cannot immediately see as being for them and them alone. If a program creates a situation where their program can exist, they will be for destroying it anyway. They really do seem to lack thinking skills as well as an understanding of morality.

        The short version is they are spoiled, but very dangerous children that do not play well with others. I apologize to normal children everywhere.

    • Fern Woodfork

      Tea Party Are Not Native American They Should Pack Their Shit Up And Go Back Where They Came From!!!

      • Russell Byrd

        No one wants them.

        • Fern Woodfork

          Maybe Ron Paul Will Let Them Move In With Him On His Island!! LOL

          • Russell Byrd

            LOL!

    • Catskinner

      Well, I would certainly agree that the current immigration bill is something that is wrong in our society.

  • labrown69

    Even a broken clock is right twice a day and whether this is popular or not they GOP is right on this. We already tried amnesty and the current debacle is one of the obvious results. It achieved nothing but rewarding those who butted in line and broke our laws. There should be no more amnesty UNTIL SUCH TIME AS we fix and secure the border JUST LIKE every other country in the world including Mexico.

    • highpckts

      I am all ears as to how you would “fix” the borders at no cost to the taxpayer of course! Until I see some sensible solutions to this problem I don’t believe any of them!

      • Sand_Cat

        The same way he can claim with a straight face that Obama has killed twice as many people as Bush did. He’s a flagrantly dishonest and delusional liar.

      • labrown69

        Piece of cake and at a great cost savings. Bring home ALL of our troops and let the Iraqis and the Afghans kill each other to the last man standing if they choose … it’s NOT our problem and we can’t afford it, provide the returning troops with “shovel ready jobs” by stationing them on the borders with the same orders to shoot anything that moves north that every other border guard in the world has. The societal savings of closing our open borders will be in the many billions a year Mr. “at a cost to the tax payers”. Then on top of that maybe we can slow down gang warfare in our inner cities which is largely a function of illegals, restore our public schools to teaching institutions and reduce crime dramatically. Also we will greatly reduce disease.

        Did you know that Mexico is a resource rich country with an astronomically wealthy aristocracy who sip champagne and eat caviar at the expense of American tax payers?

        If those who immigrate here in violation of law “only take jobs that Americans won’t do” why then has meat and poultry packing gone from the highest paid job in the industrial sector to the lowest? A Bear Stearns study contends that government figures are skewed and that the actual number here illegally is closer to 30 million. Whether it is 12 million or 30, when there are only 1.1 million agricultural jobs in California, why then, do we need a “guest worker program”? Could it be that when immigrants arrive here illegally, they also don’t want “the jobs that Americans won’t do” thus we foster an eternal exodus of humanity who do “the jobs Americans won’t do” for 20 minutes each? Cesar Chavez stated that he could not
        unionize farm labor without stemming the flow of impoverished migrants and yet we celebrate his birthday but ignore his words.

        At Ellis Island, immigrants entering America were screened for diseases.Did you know that illegals entering the country bring diseases that were all but eradicated but are making a come back? According to the CDC some are resistant to treatment and include hepatitis, tuberculosis, and that old favorite, syphilis just to name a few. As a result of illegal labor, Spinach is more dangerous than Marijuana.

        The most fundamental aspect of any country’s sovereignty is borders. Our addiction to what is laughably called “cheap labor” is costing us many billions annually, destroying our quality of life and is unsustainable. Next time you are gloating over the price of strawberries, I suggest you check your tax returns, your schools, your children’s health, your prisons and your emergency rooms for a glimpse of the real cost.

        I can hear it already .. he’s a bigot, he’s a racist bla bla bla bla … OK, have it your way, throw the whole joint open, turn away PhDs from all over the world and allow every MS13 member to overrun us until the ACLU has to go to court in EVERY state as they have in California to sue for segregated quarters because they can not get The Mexican Mafia, The Aryan Brotherhood and the Crips and Bloods to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. This is so simple you should be ashamed to have asked the question.

        • Justin Napolitano

          Stop sniffing that glue! I think it is too late because your brain is already gone. There is not one fact in all of the drivel you just wrote. And just to add a note to what I said about your fried brain, people that came to Ellis Island that were sick were not sent back but were treated in an on-site hospital and then allowed to come into the country when they were cured. Some were sent back If they had certain diseases bit not before they received some care.
          Your stupidly is monumental.

          • labrown69

            Glue would probably make you smarter. I did not say that people at Ellis Island were “sent back” or turned away. YOU said THAT pudding brain, so quit making liberal straw-men. What I DID SAY was they were not allowed to breeze into the country bringing diseases with them which is factual and which is precisely what has been happening for years now and will continue to happen if morons like you get your way. It is a lucky thing your “knee jerks” because your mind is dysfunctional. Your jerky knee maybe the your only part that works.

    • RobGinChicago

      Because the IMMACT 90 law was not a comprehensive reform of a broken system, and the employer sanctions provisions resulted in widespread racial profiling and discriminatory hiring practices. The legalization provisions had little to d with the up-tick of undocumented entries through the Southern border. Chalk that up to the destruction of the Southern Mexican rural economy by NAFTA, the good U.S. economy during the Clinton Presidency, and the “unlawful presence” and 3/10 year bars provisions of the 1996 immigration laws that actually encouraged undocumented immigrants to stay in the U.S. and stopped the regular two way commuting.

      • Russell Byrd

        Excellent post on a facet of our immigration woes that I have never seen posted before. Good information.

        It is sobering to realize that we could have had all the legal immigrant labor we wanted. Instead, we forced applicants to undergo a minimum fifteen year wait to get into the U.S. In practice, this once again encouraged immigrants to bypass the system to come here illegally and remain here once they arrived. This is partly do to the fact that we acknowledge we have too much, illegal, immigrant labor already. We do not need LEGAL immigration. The whole truth is more disgusting. Employers that desire cheap labor know they will have to pay legal immigrants according to the law, turn over the appropriate taxes to the government, and obey health, safety, and benefit laws. Those business people do not want legal labor unless they are forced to take it. Think, an 18 year old that is healthy and willing to work will have to wait until heshe is at least 33 before they can come here legally. If my critics want to carp about my post, do your own research. These facts have been known for years and are not hard to find.

  • howa4x

    This will be the 1st of many splits that will emerge in the GOP. We’ve already seen movement on same sex marriage from 3 republican senators, and soon you will see it on climate change. Pragmatic republican governors are accepting the Medicaid expansion in the ACA, much to the chagrin of the tea party who still staunchly oppose Obama’s policies. The thinking people, and I used the term loosely, in the GOP realize that they have to deal with reality instead of fiction. The immigration question must be dealt with or 2016 will be a presidential looser before the race starts. The idiotic representatives in the house like Louie Gomert are already making derogatory statements about Latinos which will not help the national party especially when viewed over and over on U tube. So the split will be between those who have to run statewide and those in safe districts. This issue will be a test of just how smart the GOP really is.

  • highpckts

    The GOP’s sudden uncertain future? That’s a good one! I think it has not been so “sudden”!!

    • Fern Woodfork

      LOL They Been Working On Their Death Spiral For Years Now!! I Agree With You My Friend!! LOL

  • Canistercook

    When laws are passed based on recruiting voters civilization breaks down as they are usually poorly thought out. So many of our laws today are bought either with money or voter buying. No wonder we are a failing nation. Why don’t we get it right.

    • Sand_Cat

      For once I have to agree with you, although I detect traces of the old canard that all those who disagee with you are freeloading “takers” motivated solely by the kind of selfish greed that drives the GOP.
      Yes, our country has become the property of the selfish and greedy.

      • Canistercook

        No not all are free loaders just those far overpaid and over pensioned for what they do along with people who bring forth children and don’t work and support them, along with people who could work but know how to get on all the welfare rolls. this include some ceo’s some government union members, some government politicians, some irresponsible people who cheat the various systems out there. Do wonder why a multimillionaire like Carter, bush, Obama should get lifetime big pensions after 4 or 8 years in the white house. They check my 1040 a lot harder than they check some of these welfare applications. Sent from my iPad

        • Sand_Cat

          Well, you can thank W for the fact that the IRS de-emphasized auditing millionaires in favor of people like you.

          • Canistercook

            Random audits are necessary but they need to be random and not politically selected!
            Sent from my iPad

    • Russell Byrd

      About the canard, Sand_Cat is right of course. You give us something that we desperately hope is an avenue to a decent discussion. Then, you pull the rug out and you are your same old vicious, hateful selves. We would like to believe you, so we still fall for it, but how long do you think that nonsense will work before we reject you completely?

      • Canistercook

        I look around me today and my area is full of new immigrants who have entered the country in the past 20 years. The freeways are jammed they are building condos and apts everywhere and I find myself asking ‘is this improving the life of mr and mrs average American.’. I don’t think the politicians care if it buys them votes. I guess growth does supply the need for more shopping centers, more housing built but we also have more workers. Seems like we now have enough workers and too few jobs. Immigrants are usually good workers but will that be a solution for the unemployed already here? Sure gives one something to think about with so people already with so many already on welfare, food stamps, disability, supplementary SS etc. I favor a more rational approach based on admitting people based on hardship and contribution to the country not just a blanket amnesty to buy votes.
        Sent from my iPad

        • Russell Byrd

          You just don’t get it do you. You do not see the total picture. I know that I can not coerce you into knowledge and I have always known that I cannot force anyone. As you are expressing your own opinion in a very personable manner, there is nothing that I may take offense to. You have a right to that, I have no right to try to stop you. Of course, I do not agree. I do understand and have personally seen what you have seen, but I see a much broader picture and I prefer to consider all facts. So I will leave you with two points to consider. I see these people as PEOPLE. That does not mean I personally like (or dislike) any of them. They are different, but they are people. I cannot treat another human the way you suggest. (You in the broadest meaning.) Again, I / you, do not have to like them, and often I don’t. Yet, I do not hate people I do not know. The second is more important. The immigrants, with a tiny, tiny exception came here to improve their lives and often to merely survive. This is the normal, natural way of life. Our business people saw them as a resource to exploit for easy profits. They sometimes hired illegals inadvertently, but the far majority did so willfully. They paid them rock bottom wages, at least much less than the normal market, and in many cased less, sometimes much less than minimum wage. When someone says illegals do not pay taxes, do you ever wonder where that money went. The employers often reported nothing. They knew their employees were illegal. Clinton’s administration prosecuted a goodly number for doing just that. Hiring illegals and not paying withholding tax. Yet, by the last year of the Bush presidency, his administration had only prosecuted three. So this is definitely not a problem created by Liberals or Democrats. Our difference is who we blame. We just do not believe in treating those that served us with cruelty. I have written far too much, but this is really a very abbreviated explanation. Good night.

          • Canistercook

            As a relative of an illegal immigrant perhaps I am more aware than you are of the quality of immigrants. But there are two very different standards of living in our world and the question to be answered is how much of the deficit can we impose on the American worker. If we had open borders organizations would form that would fly millions from poorer countries to our shores. I cannot blame anyone for seeking a better life or future for themselves or their families. The big question is can the countries that are their chosen destination absorb them without penalizing those who already live there and worked to create that ‘better’ environment . Somewhere along the line that question needs a sensible answer.
            Sent from my iPad

          • Russell Byrd

            There maybe some merit to what you say, but as always, when conversing with right-wingers, I find that you only face the part of the discussion you have a catchy answer to. What about how we got to this point to begin with? What about the alternatives we had to do this the right way, legally and morally? The greedy, El Cheapoes won the day, and we punished only a symbolic few. By forcing our business people to obey the law, there would have been ZERO market for illegal labor. THEY came because they knew we wanted them to. The rhetorical “we” does not really include me, and likely not you either.

          • Canistercook

            We are at this point because transportation from Asia, the middle east and Latin America is now much easier than when ‘give me your poor yearning to be free’ came and we need to think about what the future looks like in crowded countries like china etc.
            Sent from my iPad

          • Russell Byrd

            I see it is quite useless being reasonable with you. You intend to monopolize the conversation with half-wit commentary from tea bag talking heads. I have asked the same questions twice and do not tell me they are not valid. If we enforce the law as to the criminal employers, there will be NO jobs for these immigrants to take. Our business people have hired these people by preference and most of the time it had nothing to do with availability of labor.

            I did not ask you to agree, but I did expect a dialog. Once again, I fell for your standard canard. You are going to make any topic a single issue one and you will never consider a different, and in this case, much better reasoned and independent response. Stick with your spoon fed propaganda that is bought and paid for by the very people that have really destroyed America. Your kind seems to think anything these rich thugs do is wonderful. but though I may go first, your own destruction is inevitable. So as was predicted, it is useless to reason with an ignorant, arrogant, closed mind.

          • Canistercook

            In my area most of these illegals do house cleaning work, gardening or patient care. Private non business people hire them at $12 to $15 tax free an hour because our unemployed frequently will not do that work while they can live off welfare, unemployment or some handout. How many people can afford $24 an hour for someone to take care of an elderly disabled parent?
            Sent from my iPad

          • Russell Byrd

            A reasonable point, excepting the fact that you avoided the central issues.

          • Canistercook

            Most businesses do obey the laws. Small mom & pop ones don’t because they operate on margin and cannot afford all the mandated benefits the laws grant in our competitive society. Most illegals in my area do house cleaning, gardening, clean up work for $12 to $15 an hour tax free.
            Sent from my iPad

          • Russell Byrd

            Immaterial and distorted. There is little reason to belabor this point if all you are going to do is avoid the issue.

          • Canistercook

            The illegals are the issue. They want what the American worker wants and some americans don’t want to give it to them. Meantime they do what they have to to make a living. Question I guess is should they get legalized or not. Depends on what benefit you get from it or lose from it I guess. I like canada’s and Australia’s laws where they welcome immigrants that bring skills or money to start a business to their society. Seems to make a lot of sense. But they do issue residence cards to those already there and married to Australian or Canadian citizens. Does not make sense to deport the parent of two or three American citizen children who depend on that parent for support or to deport a child who has been in the country many years. But I do think all children entering our schools from now on should have to show proof of legal residency because I guess I feel I should not be taxed to educate the world’s children. Most other countries require evidence of legal residence including Mexico!
            Sent from my iPad

          • Russell Byrd

            Off-topic revisited. I guess you have to rack up points to maintain your troll status.

  • nana4gj

    If it doesn’t have a uterus and other female anatomy, the GOP will not, cannot agree on anything else, among themselves or with others. On the issue of women, they all agree that we are to be monitored and edited and repressed and demeaned. That, they can do, and do all together. They become medical experts, social scientists, parenting experts, moralists, and judges and their women go right along with them, so, on that one thing, they are united.

    On everything else, they are pretty united, as well, with the occasional fluke of those who need to pander for political expediency. They unite to oppose Immigration Reform, Healthcare Access to all, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Unemployment, Job Creation, Infrastructure Repair, Disaster Relief, Energy Conservation and Development, Environmental Protection, Background Checks for Gun Ownership, Voting Rights Preservation, Minimum Wage Increase, Equal Pay for Equal Work, Taxes, etc.

    It is not newsworthy anymore that they oppose something. It is news when they work to legislate something meaningful.