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Tuesday, March 19, 2019

Alas, this is pretty much where I came in. Starting in 1994, when your humble, obedient servant was approached to contribute weekly political columns, I found the behavior of the national political press shocking and alarming.

Today, it’s even worse.

Even so, it’s not every day a TV talker apologizes for broadcasting a doctored video misrepresenting something Bill Clinton said about President Obama. So it’s definitely worth taking note.

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes did that the other night, at least temporarily persuading me that the network hasn’t yet gone full Fox News.

But first, some ancient history on a theme directly relevant to today’s Democratic primary campaign: Hillary the Big Liar.

See, by 1994 I’d been writing professionally for years, mainly as a literary journalist and monthly magazine reporter. The publications I’d written for employed assiduous fact-checkers. Opinions were expected, so long as they were grounded in fact. After all, what’s the point winning an argument if you’ve got to cheat to do it?

However, that’s not how Washington journalism works. One incident in particular astonished me.

In April 1994, Hillary Clinton had given a press conference about the make-believe Whitewater scandal. She answered every question the press threw at her for a couple of hours. The immediate effect was rather like last fall’s Benghazi hearings: her detailed answers calmed the storm. Having previously given sworn testimony to Treasury Department investigators probing Jim McDougal’s failed S & L, she was on solid ground.

Two years further on, ABC’s Nightline dug up a video clip of an answer she’d given about a specific issue and seamlessly deleted two sentences by substituting stock footage of journalists taking notes. Then they pretended she’d been asked a much broader question, and accused her of lying about the information they’d subtracted.

Specifically, Hillary acknowledged signing a letter “because I was what we called the billing attorney” for the Madison Guaranty account. Nightline charged her with concealing exactly that fact. Jeff Greenfield said no wonder “the White House was so worried about what was in Vince Foster’s office when he killed himself”—a contemptible insinuation.

Within days, the doctored quote was all over ABC News, CNN, the New York Times and everywhere else. Almost needless to say, Maureen Dowd ran with it. William Safire predicted her imminent criminal indictment.

In short, the theme of Hillary Clinton as epic liar began with an instance of barefaced journalistic fraud.

Everybody involved should have been run out of the profession. It wasn’t exactly an obscure mystery. Video of the press conference existed. The New York Times had printed the full transcript.

But there was no Internet. Beltway pundits covered for each other like crooked cops.

So anyway, last week Bill Clinton made a campaign appearance for his wife in Memphis. If you’d only seen it on MSNBC or read about it in the Washington Post, you’d think he made a political blunder, trashing President Obama as a weak leader.

On Chris Hayes’ program All In, the host chided the former President for going “a bit off message.”

MSNBC aired this video clip:

“BILL CLINTON: She’s always making something good happen. She’s the best change maker I’ve ever known. A lot of people say, ‘Oh well, you don’t understand. It’s different now. It’s rigged.’ Yeah, it’s rigged—because you don’t have a president who is a change maker.”

Full stop.

Ouch! To the Washington Post’s Abby Phillips, “it sounded like he was agreeing with one of [Bernie] Sanders’s central arguments about income inequality—but blaming the sitting president for it.”

Older and thinner, Mr. Yesterday was clearly losing it.

Except he wasn’t. The real villain was, once again, creative video editing. Tommy Christopher at Mediaite.com restored the full context.

So here’s what Bill Clinton actually said about President Obama:

“Yeah, it’s rigged—because you don’t have a president who is a change maker with a Congress who will work with him. But the president has done a better job than he has gotten credit for. And don’t you forget it!
(APPLAUSE)
Don’t you forget it! Don’t you forget it!
(LOUDER APPLAUSE)
Don’t you forget it. Let me just tell you. I’ve been there, and we shared the same gift. We only had a Democratic Congress for two years. And then we lost it.
There’s some of the loudest voices in our party say—it’s unbelievable—say, ‘Well the only reason we had it for two years is that President Obama wasn’t liberal enough!’
Is there one soul in this crowd that believes that?”

Judging by the crowd response, there was not.

Mediaite.com’s Christopher put it succinctly: “This is an edit so egregious, it rivals the worst in dishonest political ads, and surpasses them.”

Greatly to his credit (and my surprise), Chris Hayes subsequently rebroadcast Clinton’s remarks in full. “We shouldn’t have done that,” he admitted.

No, they certainly should not.

Photo: Democratic U.S. presidential candidate Hillary Clinton arrives with her daughter Chelsea Clinton and her husband, former U.S. President Bill Clinton, to speak to supporters at her final 2016 New Hampshire presidential primary night rally in Hooksett, New Hampshire February 9, 2016. REUTERS/Brian Snyder

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151 responses to “In 2016, Journalistic Fraud Still Looms Large”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    The U.S. media has transitioned from journalism to being just a greedy enterprise, willing to go to great lengths, including distortion of facts, to gain market share and profit. Add to that the fact that it is owned by wealthy magnates, and determined to advanced the financial and ideological interests of its owners, and what they report is not even worth the paper it is printed on. It began with incidents of omission, by now they lie as much, and often better, than career politicians do. The best thing to do is to ignore them.

    • Theodora30 says:

      There is more to it than just money. A lot of political journalists treat politics like reporting a high school contest for prom queen/king and they are all vying to be the most clever, gin up the most excitement by putting the spotlight on outrageous candidates while ignoring or deridingserious, substantive ones (Gore, Hillary, Kasich). They are vying for membership in the Kool Kids Klub at DC High. Even Ezra Klein has been so influenced that he recently said this about Trump:
      “It’s so fun to watch,” Ezra Klein of Vox recently wrote, “it’s easy to lose sight of how terrifying it really is.”
      How is watching watching Trump spout lies, delusions and bigotry fun? These guys would have had a blast covering Hitler in the 30’s. They would have seen him as entertainment, as a joke until it was too late to stop his momentum. (For people who say you cannot compare anyone to Hitler, I am not implying Trump is Hitler. My point is that our current journalists would not have recognized how dangerous he was because they would have been too busy having fun.)

      • Dominick Vila says:

        Sometimes it almost seems as if Trump deliberately insults his followers to demonstrate that he can get away with it. Your comparison with what happened in Germany long ago is appropriate, inasmuch as both highlight the dangers of irresponsible rhetoric, brain washing, and ignorance.
        Sometimes, I can’t help wondering if some of his followers are just trying to deflect attention, and early political attacks, from the eventual GOP nominee, who may turn out to be either Kasich or Bush. I can’t believe so many fellow Americans are as dumb as Trump’s audiences seem to suggest.

      • Otto Greif says:

        Klein actively collaborates with Democratic politicians.

    • dpaano says:

      Exactly! And, I bet if Wall Street had asked Bernie to speak at one of their functions, he most likely would not have turned it down.

  2. itsfun says:

    Far to many reporters want to make the news and not report the news.

  3. Theodora30 says:

    I am not surprised that Chris would correct that. I think he works hard to be objective. He has criticized both Bernie (mainly for not explaining how he can accomplish his goals) and Hillary but not unfairly. Apparently this came from the staff which makes me wonder what is going on with them. I assume his staff is not a bunch of right wingers so maybe a Bernie supporter? (This is not a criticism of Bernie.) whatever it was it was no accident and whoever did it should be fired for journalistic malpractice.

    • yabbed says:

      Chris Hayes and the horse he rode in on should be fired.

    • A_Real_Einstein says:

      Yeah but what about all the half truths coming out of the mouths of the Clintons themselves. What about Chelsea on the stump telling everyone that Bernie is going to take care their healthcare away. Saying that he will repeal obamacare but completely leaving out the fact that he would replace it with something much better like a single payer. Then she goes on to say that he will end Medicare too leaving millions of seniors. Yes she really did say that. Then we see Hillary herself stumping on that Bernie is going to raise their taxes and that middle class Americans can’t afford his tax increase. She conveniently leaves out the Bernie’s plan would end up giving these families $10 in health care savings for every $1 in new taxes. Talk about disingenuous. Maybe this explains so many of us think Hillary is dishonest.

      • ralphkr says:

        The problem,is that although Bernie does have a great idea for health care that would reduce the overall expenditure, is that it is highly doubtful it pass because it would be against the for profit health care companies. Clinton tried to get health care but failed and when Obama tried he had to settle for insurance company health care and no single-payer even though he had a Democratic Congress. There is no way Congress shall kill the for profit health care industry. Consider that the most expensive universal health care is Switzerland and that it is administered by non-profit insurance companies so you can see why our system is so much more expensive than anywhere with decent health care.

        • RED says:

          Maybe. But the comment was about Hillary and family lying about healthcare and Bernie’s positions. It’s kinda sad to see Chelsea being turned out and casting honesty or ethics to side in pursuit of power.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Maybe but SAnders policies would disrupt the policies of this President…with the GOP jumping all over SAnders who leaves the door open to slash and burn for another 8 years. Realistic people don’t vote for another Ross Perot in a Sanders suit. No one heard of Sanders until he decided to run for president. Compare him to Sen. Schumer who is far more well known, far more effective and you see why Sanders is a dark horse loser.

          • ralphkr says:

            Really, RED, I can still see the large section about Chelsea talking about Bernie’s health care plans and I was merely explaining how much of what was presented as lies would be the actual outcome of Bernie’s efforts. The Republicans with the aid of Bernie’s allies would happily cancel Medicare, Obamacare, and Medicade (or whatever medical care for the poor is called in your state) but then the Republicans would be overjoyed to block all efforts to pass a civilized universal care bill and putting us all back into the joyful days of the 1930s.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            He uses the name RED for a reason…RED as in RED state Republican. RED as in defiantly contradictory like a spiteful child and RED for that Rag Confederate Flag the Rebels hope to exchange with our Stars and Stripes.

            Spiteful little boys always must have their way or they pull tantrums. Too bad today’s educated people won’t tolerate little boys in men’s bodies acting like 6 year old brats.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            There is no way he would cancel anything in place before having Medicare for all in place. Anybody saying anything else is absolutely ridiculous and is pulling a page out of the GOP handbook of total misinformation. If that is the best the Clintons can do then they shouldandwill lose. They are losing all credibility as they continue to lie and move hard to the right. We are not that stupid!

          • Cloudherder says:

            You are assuming that Sanders wouldn’t do that. What indications do you have that he would be a tough negotiator and not sign away those programs with assurances from the GOP that they would absolutely have a one payer system. I don’t believe it. Sanders is a dreamer and is as impractical in his list of things he thinks he will do as Trump is.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            There will be no need to negotiate anything with a democratically controlled congress as a result of the political revolution. It will be one bill that effectively expands Medicare and supersedes all prior healthcare legislation. It is done in one shot with one step not several. This can happen. It already is in every other industrial country. You do realize there is more than 1 trillion dollars of untaxed revenue just in the Kayman Island. That is just one island. We can start negotiating with big pharma for huge savings. It will happen and you will come around and we will welcome you with our progressive open arms. Never stop chasing your dreams.

          • dpaano says:

            I don’t believe Bernie meant that he would immediately repeal Obamacare UNLESS he could get the Congress to approve a single payer option. Even he knows that would be a bad move on his part. It’s a matter of how you interpret what he says.

          • ralphkr says:

            I agree that that is not what Bernie intended but to have single-payer health care one must cancel Medicare, Medicaid,Obamacare, etc. I am reminded of when Clinton was president and Hillary was campaigning for universal health care. Hillary stated that the best program currently was the Federal Employees Health Benefits program. She also stated that FEHB must be canceled.

        • A_Real_Einstein says:

          We are not interested in Can’t! Obama did not run on no we can’t. If we follow Bernie’s lead and only elect candidates who do not take the money from special interests and retake the congress with candidates who are on the record supporting these progressive policies. We are watching history as Bernie creates this movement and revolution. Join us,don’t fight us. We are Americans and we control our destiny. One person one vote

          • Theodora30 says:

            That requires an electorate that does their homework instead of relying on media spin. Only a small percentage of voters are that well informed which is how you get Bush elected instead of Gore.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            I respectfully disagree. Especially in a national election cycle. Remember this electorate re elected Obama even with 24/7 pounding from Fox News and right wing media. He also had a 7% unemployment rate. The fact that they re elected him without the novelty of being the first black President is a testament to how much more thoughtful our electorate is. Also the occupy crowd is no longer occupying parks and will be occupying polling booths this fall. Finally his message is pretty simple. We need a political revolution to stop all the income and wealth that is only going to the top (rigged economy). We need to change our political so that billionaires do not pick who our representives are. (Corrupt political system ruled by the establishment). Those two messages are more popular than baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet. He really does not need to say much more.

          • Theodora30 says:

            Unlike both Clinton and Gore the mainstream media did not pound him and that helped a lot. The kind of people who would consider voting for Obama are not big consumers of right wing media but they do pick up on what the MSM is reporting. Reelection an incumbent is a lot easier and not a lot of Obama voters would have gone for Mitt.
            There is no way Bush would have had a shot against Gore had the media reported fairly. Instead they ignored Bush’s history of bankrupt companies, insider trading at Harken energy which is how he got the money to buy into the Texas Rangers, using eminent domain and public tax money to build Arlinton stadium then crowing about being self made, and last but definitely not least the fact that he walked away from his National Guard obligation. Instead we heard all kinds of lies about Gore.
            http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2007/10/gore200710
            Far too many liberals focus on right wing media and do not realize just how biased the mainstream can be. Even when they like a candidate they play their misleading faux balance, both sides do it game but when they don’t think a Democratic candidate is cool enough they are openly hostile. I will never forget Chris Matthews mocking Gore for supposedly claiming to have invented the Internet. He paused and then admitted he knew Gore had never made that claim but then repeated again during the campaign and called Gore a serial exaggerator. An honest journalist would have told his audience how Gore is credited by the so-called Fathers of the Internet with playing an important role in getting the Internet created. Gore was the main force behind the push to get Congress to fund it. I cannot tell you how many times I had to explain that to other Democrats who thought Gore was untrustworthy for making such a bizarre claim. The media should have strongly debunked that from the start.

          • Theodora30 says:

            Here is a statement about Gore’s contributions to creating the Internet from two men that are considered the “Fathers of the Internet”.
            http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0009/msg00311.html
            I have never seen them treat a Republican candidate like that but they have repeatedly done it to Democrats. They are too afraid of the right wing to dare.

      • dpaano says:

        I don’t consider those lies….Bernie will HAVE to repeal most of Obamacare if he wants to put us into a single-payer position. Secondly, if he DOES change Obamacare to a single-payer position, then Medicare probably WOULD be taken away or changed because all our medical will be paid. As for taxes being raised, yes, even Bernie has said that taxes would be raised. Maybe she “conveniently” left out the part about the higher taxes replacing the monies paid into healthcare now by each family, but she I don’t consider that as being a lie.

        • Theodora30 says:

          Actually some legitimate health care experts who support universal coverage think it would still cost a lot of middle class voters more overall though lower income people would come out ahead. Others disagree so it is controversial. This is not an exact science and an area of honest disagreement.

    • dpaano says:

      Yes, but doesn’t Chris check his stuff before he goes on air? I certainly would since it’s going to be out there for all to hear!!! I’d want to be SURE that what I said or put out there was the facts and not something otherwise.

      • Theodora30 says:

        I actually know someone who works in the news biz. They have to trust their staffs because there is not enough time in the day to check everything. I am sure Chris was blindsided to find that the video had been edited I. A misleading way. I have watched him for a long time and have never seen him deliberately spin. His weekend show was great and he tried hard to give both sides a voice. My big complaint with his nightly show is that he too often falls into the trap of acting like this is all a game, laughing at things that I find deadly serious.

  4. yabbed says:

    Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Bernie Sanders has fought against President Obama along side the GOP. Sanders has consistently voted against Democratic legislation on gun control, immigration reform, and President Obama’s appointments. I’m a life long liberal Democrat and I would never vote for the Socialist freak Sanders.

    • RED says:

      Perhaps, you are not a Democrat?? And definitely you won’t be one in the future, because all indications are that the younger voters don’t say things like “socialist freak.” I’m kinda confused as to what you think liberal democrat means when you say stupid stuff like “socialist freak.”

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Perhaps you are not either…You want to explain why nothing derogatory is EVER dredged up on SAnders? Is it because he is toe to toe with the media moguls who control what is published?

        In case you think we missed it, Sanders is as involved with NYSE as it gets. Where do you think he invests?

        • RED says:

          Right Ellie because investing in the stock market is far more nefarious than taking 6 and 7 figure money from Wall Street! You don’t get how ludicrous your suggestions are.

          • Cloudherder says:

            How do you know Sanders hasn’t as well? Aren’t you falling for propaganda in molding a politician’s “image”? Yeah sure, Hillary is a liar and Sanders is a saint.

        • A_Real_Einstein says:

          The media hates Sanders. He consistently calls them out as part of the political establishment. He despises the corporate media as he calls them out at every stump speech. They didn’t even recognize him as legitimate challenger until he mopped the floor with your lady by 21 pts in the first primary. They can’t drudge anything to drudge up. There is no there, there old lady. It would have been exposed in today’s internet world. Hillary sucks.

    • dpaano says:

      I kinda agree with you except your last sentence. Bernie may be a Socialist, but he’s NOT a freak.

    • Cloudherder says:

      THAT is what turned me against Sanders … Look at his voting record, it’s all you have to know. Well, except for the times he went on MSNBC and presented himself as voting for the Dem side, when in fact he voted just the opposite.

      • A_Real_Einstein says:

        We looked at his record. With the exception with a few gun control votes decades ago we love him.Especially his vote against the Iraq war. Please elaborate instead of just saying look at his record. Please explain specifically what you have an issue with instead of the BS. While you are at take a look at your own girl and her record on private prisons and welfare reform for example.

        • kissyface says:

          so you are for him dumping his nuclear waste from Vermont on a poor hispanic community in Texas? you are for the guy who voted to eliminate glass-steagal? you are for the guy who voted for welfare reform? you blame Hillary for things that happened while she was first lady yet don’t blame Bernie who actually voted for those things? the right isn’t the only side with cognitive dissociation

  5. Jerpell says:

    Hmm….Nothing surprises me anymore….

  6. FT66 says:

    Whats wrong with MSNBC? They kicked out those good reporters like: Keith Ob…., Martin Bashir, Ed Schultz who were really commited to their jobs and really made much sense in their reporting. MSNBC needs to be serious in business, otherwise we watchers are not ready to be cheated and wasting our time watching something which is not true. You need to restore the trust of watchers in you, otherwise, we all be gone.

    • RED says:

      I do really miss Bashir and Schultz! I hadn’t thought about Bashir for a while but he really had a great talent!

      • FT66 says:

        Agreed. I miss him too.

        • dpaano says:

          I miss Russert the elder also.

          • Cloudherder says:

            Oh, I really miss him too.

          • Theodora30 says:

            Actually Russert was well known for being in the tank for the Bushes. He was even seen wearing a Bush campaign button at an event in 2000.
            During the Scooter Libby trial a note that Cheney had made about getting their WMD story out specifically mentioned Meet the Press as the best venue for getting their talking points out because they knew Russert would not challenge them as part of the evidence.
            You can actually watch a video of Russert telling Bill Moyers that, unlike some other journalists who talked to WMD experts at the CIA instead of just the politicos, he missed the truth about WMD. He said he wished someone had called to tell him! What kind of journalist doesn’t pick up the phone and ask the professionals about such a critical story? Bob Simon of CBS and Strobel and Landay of Knight Ridder were some who reported the very serious doubts the CIA analysts had but Russert just took the administration’s word that it was a slam dunk, so to speak.
            Google Bill Moyer’s PBS program “Buying the War” to see all these people interviewed. It’s sickening.

    • latebloomingrandma says:

      I know. MSNBC is not unique anymore. And I’m real tired of turning it on at random times and seeing Trump.

      • dpaano says:

        I’m sick of turning on ANY channel and seeing Trump! He’s pretty much on EVERY Sunday morning political talk show, along with several of the Republican nominees, but you very rarely see any of the Democratic nominees. Kinda tells you where they are at politically, doesn’t it?

        • A_Real_Einstein says:

          Let them cover him. He is totally helping us. I hope they nominate him. Mickey Mouse could beat him in a general election. You people are so scared of the GOP. I fear no evil. This is a national election cycle when dems turn out. The dems have the demographics totally in their favor. You are watching the implosion of the GOP when their front runners are Trump and Cruz. It’s the beginning of the end for the GOP. We will easily win the back the Senate and if Bernie can continue this political movement the house is in play too. We can even win in the midterms iff we would not run from progressive values and tout our accomplishments. The most unpopular people on the planet are the Republicans and they have earned it.

          • dpaano says:

            Not sure what you mean by “you people,” as I’m a staunch Democrat. I meant we could see who the RW-owned media sides with. I agree wholeheartedly with you….Mickey Mouse would have NO problems beating Trump!! He’s only adding to the already foregone implosion of the GOP, and we have to than him for that…..I just get tired of seeing his ugly face every time I turn on the TV!!! We just have to make sure ALL Democrats get out and vote and not stay at home thinking we’ve won!!!

      • jmprint says:

        I agree, in the am it is nauseating watching Joe pimp Trump

    • dpaano says:

      I agree….I miss the old journalists like Cronkite, et al. They didn’t prostitute their beliefs and they checked their facts before they printed or spoke about anything. Those were the good ol’ days when the press had a conscience. Nowadays, not so much!

    • A_Real_Einstein says:

      Who owns MSNBC? The corporate establishment which results in Progressive light. They are terrified of Bernie as he exposes the corporate media for what it is. Sunshine is such a great disinfectant. Do you have any idea how much trouble Chuck Todd got In for asking about Hillary’s speech transcripts? I guess those should be coming out soon (wink wink) Funny we have not heard any more about that from the media since then. Hmmmmm

  7. plc97477 says:

    Finally our lack of real journalism is being noticed. Took a while didn’t it. I think the real journalists left when Rather was fired.

  8. AgLander says:

    It’s impossible to “make the Clintons look bad”…..they have been doing a great job of it all by themselves from the moment they entered politics. “Garbage in, Garbage out” describes them perfectly.

    • jmprint says:

      A lot of the garbage that you speak of is made believe. Just because someone calls you a lair, doesn’t mean you are. Go the facts. Research and then decide what is garbage.

      • Theodora30 says:

        A good place to start is with Gene Lyons and Joe Conason’s book “The Hunting of the President” to see the lengths to which right wingers will go to destroy a Democratic opponent. The same kinds of tactics will be used against Bernie if he is the nominee. They trashed Gore and those chicken Hawks even dared to go after Kerry’s war heroism. The MSM aided and abetted by mocking Gore and refusing to correct the lies about him (for example Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet but played an important role in its creation by pushing Congress to fund it – something Republicans did not want people to hear and most never did.) When the odious Truthers came out against Kerry he was blamed for not responding “correctly”.
        Right now Republicans are giving Bernie a pass and attacking Hillary – from the left. At least two Superpacs, one Rove’s American Crossroads, have run ads against her and attacked her on social media. They want Bernie to be the candidate and if he is they will do everything they can to destroy him. Sadly their attacks work with far too many people.

        • A_Real_Einstein says:

          What exactly would they attack him on that Hillary with the most powerful political machine has not found out already?

          • Theodora30 says:

            They do not need anything real to use against him. They will gladly make things up. These are the chicken Hawks who had the gall to accuse John Kerry of faking his war heroism, to use taxpayer money to investigate their ludicrous charge that the Clintons murdered Vince Foster, profess that Gore lied about all kinds of things like claiming he invented the Internet (he never did), and claim that Obama was born in Kenya. Heck Karl Rove was even willing to use push polls against John McCain in SC in 2000 claiming he had been brainwashed by the North Vietnamese (making him a Manchurian candidate) and that he had an illegitimate black child (he has a dark skinned child he and his wife adopted from SE Asia.) They will stop at nothing. The biggest factor will be if the so-called liberal media plays along like they did with Whitewater, the mocking of John Kerry and the attacks on Gore. If they like a candidate like they did Obama they are less likely to aid and abet but if they don’t they will join in the “fun”. And I am not talking about right wing media. They may start the rumors but a lot of mainstream journalists and pundits will join in if they aren’t enamored of a Democratic candidate. I have a hard time imagining they will like Bernie more than Gore or Kerry but I could be wrong about that.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            Please go to real clear politics and look at the polling of the hypo match ups between Hillary and Bernie vs the Republicans. He does much better in those match ups. Also considering she is under a FBI investigation and could be indicted she is really a risky pick for us right now. The only way we lose to the GOP is if she is our nominee and then gets charged with high crimes. Why take that risk if Bernie is such a viable choice?

    • drdroad says:

      President William Jefferson Clinton was able to accomplish something the GOP CONSTANTLY talks about, but has never actually had the will to do. Balance the budget, plus actually create a surplus. A surplus that disappeared after only one year of the following GOP administration.

    • Insinnergy says:

      I’m surprised you’re smart enough to type.
      You’re obviously not smart enough to actually read the first few paragraphs of this article.
      How about heading back to Fox so the average intelligence of this site and theirs rises massively.
      Pinhead

  9. jimmy midnight says:

    Deceptive editing is inexcusable. The activities of partisans and staffers can’t always be controlled. Without a doubt, the Clintons are world-beaters when it comes to being assaulted by, and gracefully dealing with, dirty and deceptive propaganda.

    I’m still caucusing for Bernie, and still remember Gene Lyons’ shrill and deceptive fear-mongering about Bernie only being able to win Vermont and Mass. should he be ,

    Democratic unity, Gene!

    • Gene Lyons says:

      Jimmy, my man, “deceptive” doesn’t mean disagreeing with you. It remains my opinion that Sanders wouldn’t have a prayer in the electoral college. In case you’ve missed it, Republicans have taken over almost the entire middle of the country on Obama’s watch, and there’s as yet no sign of the soaring voter turnouts necessary to accomplish Bernie’s “revolution.” None.

      • A_Real_Einstein says:

        Yeah and it’s very early. Take a look at the new voting registration rolls in NV. The middle of the country does not have many electoral votes anyway and we are probably stronger than we have been in awhile in the Midwest. Mickey Mouse could be the GOP in this election cycle of we don’t go Republican light again like in 2014. But Gene you are part of the corporate media establishment so we know who butters your bread.

        • Gene Lyons says:

          No point discussing anything with a person who goes ad hominem based upon a bad guess.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            What guess? Did you check the NV rolls? Did you not see the results in NH?

            However I do have a legitimate question for you. What happens if Hillary is indicted either late in the nominating process or after she is nominated?How would her nomination be voided? How would we determine then who the nominee is? Legitimate question, not a statement. I figured you may know the process.

          • Gene Lyons says:

            I have no response because it’s pointless arguing with an anonymous mind-reader.

          • A_Real_Einstein says:

            No point discussing anything with a person that you cannot win the argument with. You have no response because you have no response. I am heart broken. When you think about it, what Bernie is doing is absolutely phenomenal. Here we have a self described socialist Jew who never combs his hair. He is terribly un photogenic and looks like the furthest thing of a President. He refuses to take corporate money in post Citizens United. He is running against the most powerful political machine ever against a candidate who has been prepping for the job for decades. The corporate media are completely terrified of him and what he represents and will do anything to stop him in his tracks. The DNC have done everything in their power to tip the scales for Hillary including a ridiculous small number of debates on Holoday weekends until she lost her front runner status and now has real debates because she has to try anything to turn the tide. She even has the sympathy of all Dems after watching the GOP

      • jimmy midnight says:

        Gene, the D’s could nominate any Ms. X or Mr. Y and still win all the reliable blue states (list provided on request, but you know which ones they are as well as I do.)

        In our American system we get Presidents of Ohio and Florida. As a now 70-something Jewish ex-urbanite who arrived in Northern New England in the late ’60’s, early 70’s period, I’ve long felt a kinship with Bernie. In primary processes, I feel compelled to vote based on issues, and find Sanders far more agreeable, his no vote on Iraq is determinative for me, and many others.

        Bloomberg could throw a wrench into the works, which is why I’d actually slightly prefer Secretary Clinton as our nominee, but a chastened and strengthened Clinton, fresh from reminders that, “We don’t want your cussed war!” She will have to arrive at the nomination with super delegates and the primary participation of people to my political right. They should not be hard to find in well over 95% of the population.
        .
        Let’s just relax and enjoy the ride, as we watch the R’s self-destruct

        • Gene Lyons says:

          Ohio, Florida and several other must-win Democratic states now have GOP governors and legislatures. Anybody who thinks they’re automatic must have forgotten 1972.

          • jimmy midnight says:

            Don’t be puttin’ words in my mouth about Florida and Ohiio. I, too, know them to be the prize. These mid-term electorates have become a real problem since 2010. I really do think that New England, and the Middle Atlantic States, and the West Coast, and Michigan and Illinois are automatic.

            We’ll have to contest the rest, as always. Lotta water been through culvert since nineteen and seventy-two, and presidential year electorates have changed in unmistakable ways.

  10. Kurt CPI says:

    During the last election cycle NBC and MSNBC were outed for the same deceptive editing and omission in reporting on Republican rivals. Now they’ve turned their blatant bias loose on their own. They should move across the street from FoxNews and shoot spitballs at each other.

  11. RED says:

    Thanks for pointing this out. But Chris Hayes has very high ethics and journalistic standards and integrity. I have no doubt that this was at worst an error. As you said it was corrected immediately.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Chris Hayes bows to the billionaire media mogul who signs his paycheck. They used to call that kind of proselytizing “prositution.” Now? it’s just business according to billionaires. Business of subtle indocrination via BS distortions they know they can’t prove in court.

      • RED says:

        Wow! So Chris Hayes is in on the billionaire persecution of Hillary? Do you ever take a breath and maybe think about your views? You have relentlessly defended, excused, & supported candidate Clinton, a person is the very embodiment of the big money club and the establishment. Plus it’s fascinating that you think the billionaires are against Clinton and in the tank for Bernie! I realize that you are just as committed to your fantasies as the ignorant Cons are.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          How old are you? Too young to know who owns the lion’s share of the media today? and what’s with that phony “Wow” you bully boys love to use to play Drama Kings.

          I know what I post and unlike you, I can prove it in a court of law. You little spiteful boys actually think what you post won’t be critically put through the fact checkers?

          You responded to my post because you knew it struck the nerve of truth you liars of the bully boy brigade can’t stand. Your kind love it when Trump the Spiteful calls it like he sees it..but let anyone else do that and your brains go steroidal.

      • Theodora30 says:

        Actually I have heard him question how realistic Bernie’s proposals are on more than one occasion so I don’t think he is in the tank for anyone. I have watched him a lot and have a huge issue with media bias and I have not found it with him like I do with a lot of other pundits and journalists.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          If you are a woman, you cannot possibly believe Sanders is as pure and holy as his supporters are making him out to be. First of all, he has friends in high places on the NYSE and in the media.

          Second, all of his “small donations” are being made by a group of Semitics who are making those small donations to insure Sanders becomes the first Jewish president.

          Why Sanders and not Schumer? Schumer at least has a long record of success in Congress. Sanders has a Senate record of supporting many pieces of legislation that never saw the light of day.

          I am voting for Hillary because I am fed up with men lording it over women in this country. Sanders is getting the women of younger women who want to be taken care of. Not women who can take care of themselves. And if there are that many women so dependent on a man, it only proves what lies ahead…more women sucking up to get jobs at salaries below what men are paid. It is long past time for women to think like women …not through a masculine prism.

    • Gene Lyons says:

      It would be difficult, if not impossible, to make such an error accidentally. The video has to be stopped in mid-sentence lest the game be given away. My guess is Hayes that himself was unaware of the sham. Would he have apologized had Mediaite not spoken up? Impossible to say.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Hayes would never defy the man who signs his paycheck. Remember back in 2003 when the press stopped Rupert Murdoch on the street and asked why his paper in the UK was deliberately skewing facts?

        “My journalists published what I tell them to.”

        Not two years later, his UK paper underwent one of the biggest media scandals when his “journalists” and his own son approved tapping telephone calls.

      • A_Real_Einstein says:

        Not in mid sentence. He paused for a few seconds gathered his thoughts and realized he had thrown Obama under the bus and went into immediate damage control. Unusual mistake for Bill. Hayes was threatened by his corporate masters similar to the folks you have sold your soul to. I believe Chuck Todd was threatened to be beheaded by his masters for bringing up the Goldman transcripts. When are those coming out, Gene? Amazing how the corporate media does not mention this at all since that town hall.

    • dpaano says:

      Yeah, but it’s out there again, and people will believe it no matter who apologizes for it, especially the GOP goobers!

  12. I of John says:

    We need to force journalism into the light more often. I see a vast amount of fraud and just plain lying.

  13. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    Look no further for blame than the billionaire ultra conservative media moguls who own the lion’s share of journalism and media today.

    I think it is rather amusing that when they are called out for their lies and deception, they sail as close to libel and slander as it gets. What stupid moron knowingly tries to requote what anyone states publicly unaware they are guilty of libel or slander in a court of law?

    And, the joke is that when you force the facts out of them and an admittance of guilt in a court of law, they know they have been judged by a jury of their peers. Not the billionaire vultures hovering over their heads.

  14. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    The turth is that today’s slicky slick boys of media cannot be trusted to be truthful, much less posess any sense of honor or integrity. There exists today a wave of control freaks who will stop at nothing to be the MOST powerful. Really? In a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people? Now you see why the ultra CONmen demanded their ultra CONmen on the SC call corporations “people.” That way, they get to distort the meaning of “people” in The Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

  15. latebloomingrandma says:

    I think this phenomenon is called “perception management.” I read about it in a work of fiction,but fiction very often portrays truths. It’s alive and well in our culture. It’s making people believe whatever you want them to believe. It’s done in a very subtle way and people have no idea they are being played. There are consulting companies who specialize in this type of PR. What comes to mind is the propaganda leading to the Iraq war. I’m sure many of you could think of examples of how we the people have been duped.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      I so agree…but the problem is women today with any education or experience are not buying what the “Man’s World” boys are selling.

      I also agree that so many of the PR agencies today are using highly sophisticated search applications to delete anything their honchos can profit from.

      Yesterday, I was approached online by a software applications business whose basic thrust is to promote his software that would delete anyone who posts an identification of a scam online. How desperate are these morons? I refused to write for his business. I know that would have meant that anyone who IDs a scammer would either end up with a computer virus to block their posts about scams or the posts would be deleted.

      What in the hell has gone so wrong with this Twerpie Generation that they think they have the right to control us?

    • Jen L says:

      It’s not PR; it’s propaganda made with tried and true techniques by very smart misogynists.

  16. Otto Greif says:

    Hey Gene, how did the Rose law firm billing documents suddenly appear in the White House?

  17. nana4gj says:

    I saw and heard that, but, my recollection is that MSNBC aired it, explaining if the rest of the context that immediately followed Bill Clinton’s remark was not aired, one would be left with the impression that he was criticizing the President, and they then aired the rest of his “thesis”.
    I was not confused by what Bill Clinton said, he said it in the way he often “teaches” or “explains” things. I thought it helpful that MSNBC did it that way so that, if and when it may be used without the following context for political expediency by others, we would all know what he really said.

  18. mike says:

    How about the time in 2009 that a Atlantic reporter was blackmailed to use specific words about Hillary to receive an advanced copy of a coming speech. He used the specific words in the article and has regretted ever since. Talk about controlling the press.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Boys will boys boys…right? And…anything goes…

      • mike says:

        How about that statement you made that Hillary would win because women would vote as a “monolithic” block for Hillary. Do you want to take back that stupid statement? She has lost half the women voters.
        Girls wil be girls.

  19. NicoleBelle says:

    The same happened with hordes of blogs and mainstream outlets during the Madeleine Albright poutrage-du-jour. Remember how everyone was screaming that Albright said that Bernie Sanders voters were going to hell?

    Except…that’s not at all what she said. Her exact words:

    “We can talk about how we climb the ladder, and a lot of you younger women don’t think you have to…it’s been done. It’s not done. And you have to help. Hillary Clinton will always be there for you. And just remember, there’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other. [applause] So, Hillary, you are not only going to the White House, but to that other place [points upwards to Heaven].”

    You see how in context, she’s actually praising Hillary Clinton–not bashing any voters–for helping women, an inarguable statement considering her 40 years as an advocate for women and children.

    But that doesn’t get the clicks, does it? It’s so much better to have the Berniebros launch an attack on an 80 year old woman and scream about how out of touch Clinton supporters are.

    Sadly, I’ve yet to see one blog or mainstream source correct that “Clinton Rules” reporting.

    • MrsJaye says:

      Nicole, please visit my blog Sadie’s Gathering. You’ll see many, because I’m a Clinton fan of 20+ years. Working on one that I’ll post in a bit about the Killer Mike, Susan Sarandon, Madeleine Albright, Gloria Steinem comments as of late.
      But you can check out the others, by typing Hillary in the search bar.

    • Jen L says:

      The “special hell” dogwhistle was the problem and it was only a problem in the context of this primary. It did attack women who do not support Clinton, but that wasn’t the intention. As we know, sexism doesn’t have to be intentional to exist.

      That said, there are far more egregious examples of anti-Clinton editing and just plain lies, few of which have been corrected.

      “Clinton won 6/6 coin tosses, with each giving her all delegates from that caucus even though it was a tie. CONSPIRACYYYYYY!” The reality was that Sanders won 6/7 and each win was for 1 of several delegates based on a tie for that delegate. How many articles corrected that? Not very many.

      • NicoleBelle says:

        Read the full transcript of what she said. Albright was cut off in the middle of what she was saying by applause, but she clearly intended to use her oft-repeated saying as a preface to say that Hillary helps women so there’s a place in heaven for her.

        She was not castigating non-Hillary voters.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          YOu know how men in the male dominated press use women like hookers and twist what we say. Men are quite adept at political rape. To the point where they fully intend to do the same thing the rapist defense lawyer does…make all women scared to death of entering the hallowed halls of Male Governance. If a woman wins, you can expect men to go bananas.

          • NicoleBelle says:

            I think that’s a totally legitimate and probable fear. Like President Obama’s term has brought out the deep and ugly racism just bubbling under the surface, I think we’re going to see (and in fact, have already seen) sexism and misogyny come forward and impact all of us.

          • David says:

            Eleanore!!!!! Hookers? You mean Hookers for Hillary in Las Vegas? “Rapist defense lawyers” like Hillary?

    • A_Real_Einstein says:

      No need for Bernie Bros do anything. Albright words speak for themselves in context at a Clinton campaign rally. Obviously she was insinuating if you are a woman and you vote for Bernie over Hillary you would burn in hell. There is no walking that back other than the apology she made. This is a desperate campaign in full meltdown. By the way where has Albright and Steinem gone. It seems like they have fallen off the face of the earth. This is getting hard to watch. Hillary is a nice lady but somebody moved her cheese. The party has left her.

  20. MrsJaye says:

    There’s reason that you don’t see this at HP. And this is the reason I’ve all but quit watching MSNBC and haven’t believed a word of Maureen Dowd’s for years.

  21. Thomist says:

    The press badly misinformed the public about Starr’s report on Vince Foster
    http://www.fbicover-up.com/vincent-foster-report.html

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      That too was intended to make Hillary look like a murderer. When the truth came out, Foster tried suicide twice before after suffeing manic depression.

  22. Too busy to play says:

    Hillary does not deserve the handle of being dishonest that the GOP has tried to hang on her for decades. They have never found anything that stuck because she is a honest person. Decades in public life where everything is recorded is going to show some inconsistencies, for sure. But nothing of substance has ever come up. I would be in trouble if a camera followed me around for a week.

    She has to be dedicated or she would have told the USA to shove it a long time ago. She doesn’t need the money now. The fact checking sites have so many Clinton posts because of all the lies….and most have been totally cleared.

    • A_Real_Einstein says:

      It’s not about money but more about power and becoming the first female President. That would be a tremendous accomplishment and worthwhile. The problem is she is not a good candidate. Too many unforced errors like operating her own server while Sec of State, not illegal but not bright. Taking 40 million in speeches to special interests and the very banks that destroyed our middle class. And now she has to beat Bernie which they clearly have no answer for. So many of us are turned off by how she is attacking Bernie and his supporters with misinformation and projection. She is running like a Republican candidate. I suppose she has no other options. The only reason why this is close is that she has the entire establishment working for her. That will start to change as the momentum continues and they realize they better distance themselves from Hillary and the establishment or they will be shunned as well. Watch

      • Too busy to play says:

        Bernie is funded by Karl Rove to stop Hillary because the GOP can’t beat her. Bernie would’t last a day. He is a chump and has accomplished nothing in thirty years. His whole campaign is a farce and he will never win. He has one foot in the grave and has no business being POTUS in his eighties.

    • David says:

      Honest? What? How was she described by the lead lawyer in her first work after law school? How about Travelgate? What about stealing $200,000 worth of furnishings from the Whitehouse when she and Billy left? How about being “flat broke” when they left? How about “dodging sniper fire” in Bosnia? Does she ever tell the truth?

      • Too busy to play says:

        You believe anything, you fool. Hillary has been cleared of all that BS that you are spouting like an ignorant child. You need to learn how to fact check, because it only takes a few seconds and would save you from total humiliation. All those pieces of hateful gossip has been debunked. Go have a hategasm and get ready for President Hillary Clinton.

        • David says:

          Ha ha ha! Okay! Let’s start with the fun one first. In 2008, did or did not Hildebeast say she “landed and dodged sniper fire” in Bosnia? Which was a total lie? http://www.cbsnews.com

          • Too busy to play says:

            She corrected it the next day. Try to keep up.

            And when you have to dig up one sentence from a decade ago that had no effect on the future of the world, you are a desperate person who can only have hategasms.

            Get used to saying President Hillary Clinton. For the next eight years you will have lots of chances to nitpick.

            Now, as GW Bush’s dog said, “Where are the WMD’s?” There are white lies and lies that causes hundreds of thousands of dead bodies, trillions of American dollars, thousands of brave soldiers with missing limbs, missing genitals, PTSD and suicide attempts. The dick/bush lies got the Twin Towers demolished and two wars started.

            Or if you are a concrete thinker (5th grade level), and think only in black and white here’s what Dr. Saad said, “We are interested in truth and lies in people’s everyday communication. Most people think a lie occurs any time you intentionally try to mislead someone. Some lies are big while others are small; some are completely false statements and others are truths with a few essential details made up or left out. Some lies are obvious, and some are very subtle. Some lies are told for a good reason. Some lies are selfish; other lies protect others. We are interested in all these different types of lies. To help us understand lying, we are asking many people to tell us how often they lie.”

            The average person lies several times a day. If you, David, say you don’t lie, you are lying.

          • David says:

            So, you agree that Clinton is a liar? She is quite good at it. In response to your claim about her “correcting” the statement, actually, when called out on it by CBS News, she said that she had, “Misspoke”. A wonderful euphemism for ‘lie’! What about your liar/thief leaving the Whitehouse with about $200,000 worth of furnishings owned by the public?

          • Too busy to play says:

            If you say you don’t lie, you are a liar.

            The average person lies 100 times a day. There are all sorts of lies and all sorts of reasons for lying. Some lies cause the death of millions, most lies are harmless and stated for thousands of reasons from exhaustion to shame to a different interpretation of the situation or different perceptions.

            Five year olds know the difference, but you have the mentality of a 4 year old, so this may not fit you: There are fibs, exaggerating, saying the first thing that comes to mind, cheating on your taxes, cheating on your wife, cheating on an exam, telling your wife she doesn’t look fat in those clothes, telling your child that her nose is not really the biggest in the class, telling your kids you never smoked cigarettes, telling your boss you are sick when you are not, saying you are on the way out the door, saying you have other plans so can’t help someone move, saying that you never had sex with a boy (most boys do) or you didn’t really peek at your sister in the shower, or you fed the dog when you didn’t, or you got stuck in traffic when you overslept, or you didn’t cheat on your diet, or you are ‘fine’ when someone asks you, even though you are not fine….. One hundred lies a day, on average. Lie after lie after lie…..you do it every day, one hundred times a day. And don’t lie and say you don’t.

            If you are filled with hatred for someone, like you obviously are, you will take a magnifying glass to every word and weigh each word with the same level of importance. Normal people do not do that. Normal people do not parse every single word of every single sentence and judge it to be truth or lie, nothing in-between. You take the word of other haters, yet none of you know the whole situation. You just massage each other’s hate until you have a circle jerk of hategasms. Let’s hope others hold you to the same level and the same judgement. Especially at the Pearly Gates.

            You are a sick person, obsessed with petty incidents from years ago like some kind of obsessive compulsive hoarder of hate. I pity people like you and I usually ignore them, because life is to short to have perverts intruding and stealing your time. But, you deserve an ass kicking, so I am happy to do so.

          • David says:

            You think you can deliver an ass whipping to me? Very brave keyboard warrior! Calm down and watch your blood pressure. Have a blessed day.

          • Too busy to play says:

            Get some help. You are a very sick, angry, perverted and skewed person. That hatred will kill you and send you to hell. But, heck, wallow in it: it seems to turn you on and give you hategasms.

          • David says:

            You are the one making threats. Maybe you should find yourself a safe place.

          • Too busy to play says:

            Oh, you scare me, you little hategasmic p*ssy. Time for your nightly gunsterbating ritual.

          • David says:

            I am sorry if I frightened you. Maybe you should take your medicene and lie down. Hope you feel better tomorrow. Have a blessed day!

          • Too busy to play says:

            Oh,one of those ‘blessed day’ fakers. Haters like you don’t know what a blessed day is…..you are too busy heaping hate on others. You are a hateful hypocrite. God is watching you and He is pissed.

          • David says:

            The “hate” you feel is me proving that you are wrong and you attempting to obfuscate the fact that Hildebeast is a serial liar. I am confident that you have no clue as to whether or not God is “pissed” at me. Now go to sleep and it will all be better in the morning. And, have a blessed day.

          • Too busy to play says:

            oh my God. I see you went to the university where the people on the short bus go. That explains a lot. The state of Oklahoma is where the combined IQ of the whole state is less than 100. The money spent on education in the state is 4th from the bottom. Nobody seeks higher education in Oklahoma unless it is the absolute last resort: it is where the LOSERS go to LOSE IQ points.

            Sorry, but I don’t communicate with the McStupids of the world. Life is too short.

            Oklahoma. ROFLMAO

            Good bye, Loser

          • David says:

            Stick with your Common Core. It has made you what you are today. Have a blessed day.

          • greenlantern1 says:

            Was Nixon a crook or not?
            A liar?

      • greenlantern1 says:

        Was she ever CONVICTED of any crime?
        John Mitchell WAS!!
        Did Elliott Ness get a character reference from Al Capone?

        • David says:

          If the FBI does their job, the emails will bring the Hildebeast down. Lying, deceitful skank. Needs to go back to “bimbo eruption” control.

          • greenlantern1 says:

            The FBI IS doing its job!
            It is hot on the trail of the murderers of Ambassador Stevens!
            Ever hear of Ahmed Abu Khattala?
            He is an actual, Benghazi, murder defendant!
            Ever hear of Judge Christopher Cooper?
            He was already nominated by President Obama!
            He was already confirmed by the unanimous vote of the senate!
            He has already proven his worth!
            He has denied a motion, by Khattala, to quash his extradition!
            He will be tried here!
            Not Libya!
            He will be tried by Constitutional law!
            Not SHARIA “law”!
            No wonder the Republican party hates him!!

  23. MacClocker says:

    This site must be a loony lefty page… Why are you all so enamoured with such an obvious liar? she is completely amoral without a shred of decency or compassion for her fellow women…just ask all the Bill Clinton rape accusers how they were treated by Hillary…Every one without fail were treated as whores and skanks by Hillary and she says she is all about women’s rights? Bleh.
    BTW, If she is so truthful then why did she come out with “The discusting video” lie when she knew at the same time that she was telling a lie?
    Just remember that where there is smoke, there is fire, and as far as the truth goes, there is a lot of smoke around this person.
    Our leaders need to be beyond reproach, and you cannot say that about Ms. Clinton.
    It must suck to be a Democrat….I mean communist, I mean Democrat, uh nevermind

    • Jen L says:

      In the case of Hillary Clinton, where there’s smoke there’s misogyny.

      And really, Benghazi? /yawn

      To top it off, you don’t know what communism is but you use it like a boogeyman.

      You’re in no position to call her a liar.

      • MacClocker says:

        I lived through the “Red Scare” and I know what communism is.
        And YES Benghazi! and YES with Kennedy..the facts STILL need to come out which they have not in either case.

        Besides, I love women…I would love to see Carly Fiorina in the W.H.
        I just think Hillary has too many ties to foreign governments especially Saudi Arabia.

        • greenlantern1 says:

          Benghazi?
          Ever hear of Ahmed Abu Khattala?
          An actual, Benghazi, murder victim?
          Didn’t Thomas Jefferson have ties with France?

        • JohnJ says:

          I’m tired of corporate Democrats, so I’m no fan of Hillary, but to call Hillary a liar and then say you back Fiorina is very much NOT reality based. Hillary has certainly flip-flopped a lot, but I’ve never known her to make stuff up out of whole cloth and Fiorina has been caught at that several times.

    • greenlantern1 says:

      Our ONLY, jailed, attorney-general was Nixon’s first, John Mitchell!
      Remember Nixon?
      Was he a crook?
      A liar?
      YOUR role model?

    • judyishtunes says:

      We each have mostly what the media offer us to make political choices and decisions about our representatives, jurists and leaders. It appears you choose to listen to or read media that confirms your bias against anyone aligned with the Democrat party. Have you fact-checked your opinions, and if so, where do you go to fact check?

      • MacClocker says:

        Oh how about the voting records of the Democrat party for the last 50+ years? That is a good place to start

      • MacClocker says:

        I verify from multiple sources, and try not to duplicate what others are doing, e.g. one site uses source a and another site also sites source a, I will disregard one, and move on to source b and try to see where the original source comes from and try to validate it.
        A very nice black man did a lot of research about the democrat voting records since the 1880’s and compiled quite a list.. his page is called “the democrat race lie” and it can be seen at blackandright.com

    • Astraea_Muse says:

      Cite me ONE thing Hillary Clinton said that attacked any of the women. You can’t. Because she never did.

      Misogyny is not pretty.

      • MacClocker says:

        You are either very young, or have a poor memory.. She railed against all those “bimbos” that accused her hubby for rape and assault or at the least inappropriate behavior, and what about the “disgusting video” that had nothing to do with Benghazi?
        I refuse to do YOUR homework…I know the facts, now go find the truth for yourself…google can be your friend

  24. greenlantern1 says:

    Suppose President Obama nominated Judge Christopher Cooper for the Supreme Court!
    After Benghazi?
    Perfectly clear?

  25. Wm David Hardin says:

    Amen, Gene

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