DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — Iowa Gov. Terry Branstad says GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry’s debate gaffe is one of those unfortunate iconic moments, just like former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean’s scream was in 2004.

The Iowa Republican tells The Associated Press that it isn’t fatal that Perry forgot the name of the third Cabinet agency he would abolish. But he says it hurts the Texas governor by reinforcing doubts about his ability to perform under pressure.