I hope Kurshner’s fears come true. The sooner the better.
President Pence? Are you sure?
Pence has dirty hands, too. He blatantly lied about foreknowledge of Mike Flynn’s duplicity. He has known of Team Trump’s Russia collusion since he joined the campaign. His grasp of Constitutional civil rights protections for the LGBT community, women’s health care, and dark people is just as flimsy as Roy Moore’s.
Pence might be a better administrator than Trump, but who isn’t?
Pence would be tolerable until 2020, with the added benefit of hastening the death of today’s GOP.
I’m not so sure that Pence would be tolerable until 2020; in some ways Pence would be far worse than Trump aside from Trump being dangerous controlling the nuclear codes. Trump is such a bumbler that little is really going to get accomplished with respect to enacting long-term terrible legislation. That’s not true with Pence; he’s pragmatic and a radical and knows better how to work with Congress and could get a lot of very dangerous legislation enacted into law.
See this opinion from patheos.com:
Warning: President Pence Would Be Worse Than President Trump
President Trump may be a buffoon, but a President Pence would bring ruin upon the nation and turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy.
As Trump’s troubles continue to grow, conservatives and liberals alike are wrestling with the very real possibility that Trump will be forced out of office due to scandal and/or incompetence, leaving a President Mike Pence in charge of the nation.
Many conservatives are happy with the prospect of Trump leaving office and a President Pence taking control. They see Pence as a traditional and predictable Republican, and many are sympathetic to his radical religious extremism.
However, for liberals, progressives, and others who value the secular values upon which this nation was founded, a President Pence would be a disaster.
In fact, the former Indiana Governor and current Vice President is a conservative Christian nightmare who rejects the separation of church and state, and places his Christian faith above the U.S. Constitution.
Pence, who is fond of saying he is “a Christian, a conservative, and a Republican, in that order,” is an anti-science, anti-gay, anti-women, religious extremist.
See much more here:
I’m not sure there are any good solutions with the weird cast of politicians currently inline for the presidency, but Pence really scares me. It’s not by accident that Indiana is the 3rd most miserable state in America to live in with the worst quality of life; and Pence had a lot to do with making Indiana an even worse place to live.
Are you sure it wouldn’t be President Ryan? If Mueller determines Trump is guilty of collusion and he gets jail ltime, Pence is just as guilty if not more so.
Even worse. What we need is to get rid of Pence first, have a reasonable person appointed VP and then get rid of Trump, just like what happened with Nixon.
If we could get rid of Pence that would be great – see my response about Pence to Precipitous below – Pence really scares me.
Except as the House gets to approve a VP under the system, what makes you think Pence would appoint someone “reasonable”?
First you get rid of Pence and replace him then you get rid of Trump. The replacement will still be a Republican but hopefully a more moderate one.
Could be, but then there was the news reported McCarthy comments to Ryan about “We think Putin is paying Trump” and Ryan told him to be quiet about that.
I think that the roots go deeper than Pence and into the GOP.
That’s my impression too; and I hope Mueller goes so deep that it’s clear to all Americans that the 2016 election results were so compromised that the country either needs to run a new election for President in 2018 or they declare Hillary the winner in 2016 because of all the rigging both the Russians and Republicans did.
If so, and Mister “5 O’Clock Shadow” gets caught, too, that means Orrin Hatch (President Pro-Tem of the Senate) is next in line, not Turtle Man.
Wouldn’t that be an excellent Christmas present to the rest of the nation?
I suggest that every American shares Kushner’s question.
I certainly do.
Though I join bobnstuff in viewing Pence as a greater threat.
Reality is a very fragile thing. You and I work and struggle to make sure we are “living in reality”. To a malignant narcissist reality is whatever he/she wants it to be at that moment. And to him/her, it is reality. Think about that for a second. Wrap your mind around how your world would look and feel if you made up reality as you went along. If you can imagine it you can understand Trump and the depth of trouble our country is in with him in our House.
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You can’t get people who aren’t guilty. This tells me Jared knows the most of all the trolls and Russian Bots living in the WH. Time to lock them all up.
Why should Jared Kushner worry if they did nothing wrong? Isn’t he proving he knows all wrong-doing they did but scared they will all be caught, as Mueller, a serious man, is really in a serious business that will bear fruits.
So if Teflon Donnie fires his son-in-law, and Ivanka divorces him to keep Daddy happy, will he go running to the open arms of Mueller in the hopes of getting a reduced sentence?
If Trump started pardoning members of his crime family would mean an easier investigation into his activities. Since the pardon power nullifies the 5th amendment protections against self incrimination.
Self incrimination is only possible when that incrimination can be used against you by the state. Which it can’t with a pardon in effect. So Mueller can then forced a pardoned Kushner or Junior in front of a grand jury and sworn in.
At which point they can’t invoke the 5th. They’ll have to answer or be in contempt of court, or lie and be caught committing perjury. Either of which is a new crime and not subject to the pardon.
I understand that Trump is pushing both Kushner and Ivanka to move BACK to New York and OUT of the White House! Things are getting too close for comfort in the WH….and I think he’s trying to distance himself, but it isn’t going to work!! Kushner could move to Antarctica, and it wouldn’t be far enough to save the president!!
Let’s hope you’re right and Trump, along with many of his cohorts, get canned soon before he, along with them, blunder into some international incident or other situation that’s truly disastrous for the nation.
““Every time he sees me he says, ‘I didn’t do that,’ and I really believe that when he tells me that, he means it.” – and GWB “looked into his soul”, whatever the hell that means. Putin is a master spy, and clearly owns the current Resident.
Putin is a liar and learned when he was a piss poor spy during the Cold War days. Many people can lie with straight faces, convincing attitudes.
Trump does it on a daily basis…….
Yes but Trump is only convincing with his brain dead groupies. Even his fellow Repubs know he is a shameless liar but they believe they can use him to further their agenda.
Both Kushner AND Trump should be concerned as to whether or not Mueller will “get” the president! This investigation is NOT almost over…..there’s much more to be found! Can’t wait to see who gets “pinched” next! Should be interesting!
Putin has established a puppet government with the Trump Administration the same way we have been doing in all the little countries all over the world that nobody cares about.
Let’s hope that in the end this goes better for us than it “usually” goes for all the places where we have tried to “spread democracy”….
I’m now thinking that Donald Trump is the punctuation at the end of the last sentence in a very large book titled: U.S. Foreign and Economic Policy Gone Very Bad!
Russia is probably the only country in the world that could turn this trick on us!!!! We now know they pegged Trump all the way back to 1987! Remember Trump went to Russia and came back bad mouthing Reagan!!!
And, lastly, it’s all the money in politics that is like the ink in the pen used to write this awful tome.
Apparently the boy is brighter than I believed. Of course there is ample reason to be concerned about Mueller getting Trump. All of this stuff stinks from the head and the head is Trump’s.