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		<title>By: Mike Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2012 03:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Brit currently living in Canada, (and having also lived in Australia and New Zealand), I find it strange that any country should run its health system on a &quot;for profit&quot; basis. It just doesn&#039;t make any sense.
Why should share holders returns be more important than taking care of ill people?
Are they so afraid of a little bit of social justice that they will put up with a system that means so many people have no health coverage, and even those that do are still afraid that if they get the wrong disease the insurance company will refuse them coverage. I believe that happens often.
Can anyone give me a logical reason why the US chose this system?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Brit currently living in Canada, (and having also lived in Australia and New Zealand), I find it strange that any country should run its health system on a &#8220;for profit&#8221; basis. It just doesn&#8217;t make any sense.<br />
Why should share holders returns be more important than taking care of ill people?<br />
Are they so afraid of a little bit of social justice that they will put up with a system that means so many people have no health coverage, and even those that do are still afraid that if they get the wrong disease the insurance company will refuse them coverage. I believe that happens often.<br />
Can anyone give me a logical reason why the US chose this system?</p>
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		<title>By: Bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Would you rather she had an abortion ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you rather she had an abortion ?</p>
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		<title>By: Raoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2012 11:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If I were him, I would not pay and let all  the suckers who do not want national health care end up paying his bill. What can those suckers not understand? If we all pay, then we share. If the system is left as is, some pay and some won&#039;t. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were him, I would not pay and let all  the suckers who do not want national health care end up paying his bill. What can those suckers not understand? If we all pay, then we share. If the system is left as is, some pay and some won&#8217;t. </p>
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		<title>By: ObozoMustGo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObozoMustGo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dont get me started on the lawyers Metro! 

What&#039;s the worst thing about a bus load of lawyers going off a cliff?
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One empty seat! 

Have a great day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dont get me started on the lawyers Metro! </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the worst thing about a bus load of lawyers going off a cliff?<br />
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One empty seat! </p>
<p>Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: jrg973</title>
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		<dc:creator>jrg973</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If pulling the plug, as you say where an option, I would join in on pulling your&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If pulling the plug, as you say where an option, I would join in on pulling your&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: metrognome3830</title>
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		<dc:creator>metrognome3830</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good Morning, OMG. It&#039;s interesting that you mention the number of MRI machines or CAT Scanners in the US. As for Canada, they don&#039;t have the population we have so they would not have the need for as many machines. Also, some of us believe that perhaps the US has too many MRI and CAT scanners, which leads to overuse in order to pay for these very expensive machines. Of course, that leads to another subject, the litigious nature of US patients. Which leads to the overuse of these machines. And useless tests and exams that are done simply as an ass-covering procedure by the doctors. No offense to the doctors. They need to do it in self-defense. So I think we probably agree that many trial lawyers have become quite wealthy bringing suits against doctors. Which drives up the cost of malpractice insurance. And all of this crap falls right back down on the patients. When I think about all the problems with our healthcare system and what is involved in trying to solve them, I think I don&#039;t want to think about it any more today. The only creature that has it right is Pogo, when he said, &quot;We have met the enemy and he is us!&quot; Long live the Free Market Health Care System!

I hope you made up time, OMG. Have a great day!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning, OMG. It&#8217;s interesting that you mention the number of MRI machines or CAT Scanners in the US. As for Canada, they don&#8217;t have the population we have so they would not have the need for as many machines. Also, some of us believe that perhaps the US has too many MRI and CAT scanners, which leads to overuse in order to pay for these very expensive machines. Of course, that leads to another subject, the litigious nature of US patients. Which leads to the overuse of these machines. And useless tests and exams that are done simply as an ass-covering procedure by the doctors. No offense to the doctors. They need to do it in self-defense. So I think we probably agree that many trial lawyers have become quite wealthy bringing suits against doctors. Which drives up the cost of malpractice insurance. And all of this crap falls right back down on the patients. When I think about all the problems with our healthcare system and what is involved in trying to solve them, I think I don&#8217;t want to think about it any more today. The only creature that has it right is Pogo, when he said, &#8220;We have met the enemy and he is us!&#8221; Long live the Free Market Health Care System!</p>
<p>I hope you made up time, OMG. Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: ObozoMustGo</title>
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		<dc:creator>ObozoMustGo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Metro, my friend. You should be back from your walk by now... 6:15 your time. And yes, I was busy yesterday. Today even more. I&#039;ll probably just go to the fresh articles, throw a few quick molotov cocktails, and bolt. No essays today.

Sorry to hear about your daughter&#039;s ear. My 2nd son was born with an extra thumb. Had it removed at his first b&#039;day. In hindsight, probably should have left it on. Can you imagine the junk balls he could throw as a pitcher with an extra thumb? hehehehehehehe.

Re: denial of coverages.... it is 100% true Metro that Medicare has a much higher rate of decline than any major private provider out there. If you think about it, if you are giving over the obligation to pay for services that you consume, then that party that is paying must have some say over what they are paying for. Correct? And, if you really want to know the differences in medical care from the US to Canada or UK, compare the number of MRI machines in ONE state in the US to ALL of Canada or UK. Compare the waiting times for getting MRI&#039;s or CAT Scans or seeing a specialist. It&#039;s not even close. The real solution to improving access, reducing costs, and improving quality for ANY product or service is the free market. Healthcare included. There is no question about that. The problem, quite frankly, is the left&#039;s addiction to the fantasy that a centralized and controlling government is the solution to any problem. Clearly it is not. Further, almost every single medical innovation that has been developed on planet earth in the last 100 years has been done by Americans in our free market system. The profit motive is the single greatest motive for innovation and efficiency there can be. And in a free market system, they are better able to accomodate and absorb those times when services cannot be paid for. This is not to say that we should abandon the poorest and neediest among us, but there are much better ways to accomodate these needs without centralizing the control in politicians and bureaucrats greedy hands. 

I have to run. Already running late and behind.

Have a great day!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Metro, my friend. You should be back from your walk by now&#8230; 6:15 your time. And yes, I was busy yesterday. Today even more. I&#8217;ll probably just go to the fresh articles, throw a few quick molotov cocktails, and bolt. No essays today.</p>
<p>Sorry to hear about your daughter&#8217;s ear. My 2nd son was born with an extra thumb. Had it removed at his first b&#8217;day. In hindsight, probably should have left it on. Can you imagine the junk balls he could throw as a pitcher with an extra thumb? hehehehehehehe.</p>
<p>Re: denial of coverages&#8230;. it is 100% true Metro that Medicare has a much higher rate of decline than any major private provider out there. If you think about it, if you are giving over the obligation to pay for services that you consume, then that party that is paying must have some say over what they are paying for. Correct? And, if you really want to know the differences in medical care from the US to Canada or UK, compare the number of MRI machines in ONE state in the US to ALL of Canada or UK. Compare the waiting times for getting MRI&#8217;s or CAT Scans or seeing a specialist. It&#8217;s not even close. The real solution to improving access, reducing costs, and improving quality for ANY product or service is the free market. Healthcare included. There is no question about that. The problem, quite frankly, is the left&#8217;s addiction to the fantasy that a centralized and controlling government is the solution to any problem. Clearly it is not. Further, almost every single medical innovation that has been developed on planet earth in the last 100 years has been done by Americans in our free market system. The profit motive is the single greatest motive for innovation and efficiency there can be. And in a free market system, they are better able to accomodate and absorb those times when services cannot be paid for. This is not to say that we should abandon the poorest and neediest among us, but there are much better ways to accomodate these needs without centralizing the control in politicians and bureaucrats greedy hands. </p>
<p>I have to run. Already running late and behind.</p>
<p>Have a great day!</p>
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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2012 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[BREAKING NEWS.

No medical bills for some Colo. shooting victims

By COLLEEN SLEVIN and KRISTEN WYATT
Associated Press
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 DENVER (AP) -- Some of the victims fighting for their lives after being wounded in the movie-theater shooting rampage may face another challenge when they get out of the hospital: enormous medical bills without the benefit of health insurance.

Members of the public, along with Warner Bros., the studio that released the Batman movie &quot;The Dark Knight Rises,&quot; have contributed nearly $2 million to help victims, though it&#039;s not clear how much of that will cover medical expenses. One family is raising money on its own online.

GO TO ASSOCIATED PRESS RAW NEWS FOR REST OF ARTICLE.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREAKING NEWS.</p>
<p>No medical bills for some Colo. shooting victims</p>
<p>By COLLEEN SLEVIN and KRISTEN WYATT<br />
Associated Press<br />
US Video<br />
Advertisement<br />
Buy AP Photo Reprints</p>
<p> DENVER (AP) &#8212; Some of the victims fighting for their lives after being wounded in the movie-theater shooting rampage may face another challenge when they get out of the hospital: enormous medical bills without the benefit of health insurance.</p>
<p>Members of the public, along with Warner Bros., the studio that released the Batman movie &#8220;The Dark Knight Rises,&#8221; have contributed nearly $2 million to help victims, though it&#8217;s not clear how much of that will cover medical expenses. One family is raising money on its own online.</p>
<p>GO TO ASSOCIATED PRESS RAW NEWS FOR REST OF ARTICLE.</p>
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		<title>By: metrognome3830</title>
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		<dc:creator>metrognome3830</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 23:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi OMG, I didn&#039;t see much commentary from you today. You didn&#039;t overdo on those beers, did you? Beer is healthy if you don&#039;t overdo.

Speaking of health (how about that clever segue?) I don&#039;t know that there is NO WAY we can&#039;t have a universal plan. Other countries do it. It doesn&#039;t mean that government takes over our health care, they take over the payments. The question is, would the government, as payor, be more restrictive or more cubersome than private insurance. Maybe, maybe not. With government, we can vote the bastards out of office. With private insurance companies we just have to go along with what they want or change insurance companies. That is certainly not efficient, at least for the insured. As far as the government telling us what treatment we can get or what medications we can receive, the insurance companies have been doing that for years. Ask someone who had to hire a lawyer and threaten a lawsuit to get coverage for surgery for a child when the insurance company reneged after the fact and decided that the surgery was cosmetic. My daughter was born with only part of an ear. The surgeon did just enough surgery to give her enough ear to hold up a pair of glasses. Nothing drastic. Two weeks after the surgery the insurance company calls me and tells me they have now decided that it was cosmetic surgery and it wasn&#039;t covered. They were dumping the whole $2,000 bill back in my lap. I talked to everyone at the insurance company who would come to the phone. I reminded them that they had OKed the surgery. No movement. Now $2000 wasn&#039;t out of my reach, but by then I was REALLY angry. My first impulse was to go to the insurance headquarters and find the highest official there and beat the living bejesus out of him. (I was much younger then). But, instead I contacted a lawyer and the whole matter was settled after one letter from the lawyer. But, the damn lawyer cost me almost as much as the surgery.

Well, as you say, it is a topic for debate. I would like to do more research on countries like Canada, UK, and others. Even European and Central American countries seem to have excellent health care that is less expensive than the US. I would like more reliable information on why that is. A couple of years ago, I was on a Rhine River cruise in the Netherlands and Belgium and developed an infected foot. Being a Type II diabetic, such an infection can be quite serious. A member of the ship crew took me to the ER in Arnhem. There they examined me, did a scan of the entire leg to rule out Deep Vein Thrombosis, (DVT) bandaged the wound, checked all my other vital signs and prescribed an antibiotic for me. Being out of the country, my Medicare insurance didn&#039;t cover me. I paid a total of less than $400 for that visit. Venture a guess as to what it would cost in the US. I would guess about 10x that. And the facilities at Arnhem were equal to any in this country. I&#039;m just sayin&#039; . . . just maybe there&#039;s a better way.

Have a great evening!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi OMG, I didn&#8217;t see much commentary from you today. You didn&#8217;t overdo on those beers, did you? Beer is healthy if you don&#8217;t overdo.</p>
<p>Speaking of health (how about that clever segue?) I don&#8217;t know that there is NO WAY we can&#8217;t have a universal plan. Other countries do it. It doesn&#8217;t mean that government takes over our health care, they take over the payments. The question is, would the government, as payor, be more restrictive or more cubersome than private insurance. Maybe, maybe not. With government, we can vote the bastards out of office. With private insurance companies we just have to go along with what they want or change insurance companies. That is certainly not efficient, at least for the insured. As far as the government telling us what treatment we can get or what medications we can receive, the insurance companies have been doing that for years. Ask someone who had to hire a lawyer and threaten a lawsuit to get coverage for surgery for a child when the insurance company reneged after the fact and decided that the surgery was cosmetic. My daughter was born with only part of an ear. The surgeon did just enough surgery to give her enough ear to hold up a pair of glasses. Nothing drastic. Two weeks after the surgery the insurance company calls me and tells me they have now decided that it was cosmetic surgery and it wasn&#8217;t covered. They were dumping the whole $2,000 bill back in my lap. I talked to everyone at the insurance company who would come to the phone. I reminded them that they had OKed the surgery. No movement. Now $2000 wasn&#8217;t out of my reach, but by then I was REALLY angry. My first impulse was to go to the insurance headquarters and find the highest official there and beat the living bejesus out of him. (I was much younger then). But, instead I contacted a lawyer and the whole matter was settled after one letter from the lawyer. But, the damn lawyer cost me almost as much as the surgery.</p>
<p>Well, as you say, it is a topic for debate. I would like to do more research on countries like Canada, UK, and others. Even European and Central American countries seem to have excellent health care that is less expensive than the US. I would like more reliable information on why that is. A couple of years ago, I was on a Rhine River cruise in the Netherlands and Belgium and developed an infected foot. Being a Type II diabetic, such an infection can be quite serious. A member of the ship crew took me to the ER in Arnhem. There they examined me, did a scan of the entire leg to rule out Deep Vein Thrombosis, (DVT) bandaged the wound, checked all my other vital signs and prescribed an antibiotic for me. Being out of the country, my Medicare insurance didn&#8217;t cover me. I paid a total of less than $400 for that visit. Venture a guess as to what it would cost in the US. I would guess about 10x that. And the facilities at Arnhem were equal to any in this country. I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217; . . . just maybe there&#8217;s a better way.</p>
<p>Have a great evening!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_dido</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave_dido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 22:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who is your insurance with, Maggie?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is your insurance with, Maggie?</p>
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