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Friday, September 30, 2016

LOL Of The Week: When It Comes To ‘Freedom,’ The GOP Forgets The Ladies

LOL Of The Week: When It Comes To ‘Freedom,’ The GOP Forgets The Ladies

The annual show of purebred conservatives and glibertarians known as CPAC convened again last week to rant about how dire and horrible and insurmountable the threats to the “shining city on the hill” are because there isn’t a someone in the White House bent on cutting taxes for the rich.

And – again – the only thing that got in their way was the truth.

Two months into President Obama’s second term, millionaires and billionaires are paying higher taxes. Instead of crushing the economy – as conservatives always warn it will — unemployment is at a five-year low, stock markets are teasing all-time highs, and the housing market is finally seeing a real recovery (just as the real threat of the sequester begins to take effect).

Ten years after the invasion of Iraq, America’s occupation of that country is over and the disaster in Afghanistan is also quickly tumbling to a close. Meanwhile, the deficit is rapidly shrinking, Medicare costs are stabilizing and millions more Americans will have public health care in less than a year as our collective fear of being branded with a pre-existing condition disappears forever.

In nearly every way that can be measured, America is better off than it was when CPACers’ former hero, George W. Bush, left office.

But the right still must conjure a crisis of “freedom.” So they rant against the debt that is almost entirely the result of Republican policies and imagine an Obama obsessed with droning peaceful citizens, taking their Big Gulps and denying schoolkids a White House tour.

The one female keynote speaker at CPAC – the eminent feminist Sarah Palin – touched on all these themes and even had time to bolster her gun-culture credentials.

“You should have seen what Todd got me for Christmas,” she said, while brandishing a giant Big Gulp (unintentionally mocking Marco Rubio’s unfortunate mid-speech big gulp). “Well, it wasn’t that exciting. It was a metal rack, a case for hunting rifles, to put on the back of a four-wheeler. Then, though, I had to get something for him to put in the gun case, right? So, this go-around, he got the rifle, I got the rack.”

LOL.

The former governor of Alaska makes jokes about her breasts and celebrates gluttony. That doesn’t just make her a typical Fox News viewer; it makes her the premier advocate of the right’s warped obsession with only worrying about losing rights that are in no danger of being taken away.

Of course, when it comes to “freedom” actually being threatened, there’s one group of Americans whose rights are constantly at risk: women who live in Republican-controlled states.

  • charleo1

    The Stock Market is soaring to new all time heights. The car makers continue to
    post strong sales, as home prices stabilize, new home construction is finally
    springing back to life. The number filling for unemployment benefits continues to
    drop. As consumer confidence spurs retail sales, and inventory orders, to replenish
    empty store shelves, are up. As public debt, as a percentage of GNP is down to
    pre recession levels. By whatever measure one might choose to gauge the health
    of the U.S. economy, by the numbers, or, the long term prospect of sustainable
    gains, it continues to improve. The question becomes, why is the Republican Right
    still acting as though it was Jan. ’09? I would offer, it has a lot more to do with
    a Party, being a slave to it’s most extremism elements, than an economy warranting any radical measures. So it is, we must be careful to remember, our sincere desires for bipartisanism, and compromise, are not shared by neither the radical ideologues
    in Congress, or their constituencies in their heavily gerrymandered districts. And
    their policies of austerity for the Middle Class, and working poor, has every chance
    of reversing the economic gains. Then they could continue, with their insistence
    that the economy is in trouble. So we must cut, cut, and cut. Not a good outcome.

    • TheSkalawag929

      I think that as long as democrats continue to allow republicans to place the blame for republican malfeasance at the feet of democrats we will keep going down the path of unequal prosperity.

      • charleo1

        I think that’s absolutely correct. I often visit the Right Wing sites.
        Well, it’s pretty pathetic! All the misinformation. Day is always night.
        The poor are always predators, feeding on the helpless rich.

        And all this from guys about one missed paycheck away from being
        homeless. Out there rooting for the Koch Brothers!

        • TheSkalawag929

          It must be all that CO2 that collects in the bubble they live in.

        • jgsoliveira

          That never stops to amaze me!

      • jgsoliveira

        Agree. Time to start sending some people to jail. Start with Wall Street.

        • TheSkalawag929

          More like France 1789

          • Anonymous

            Yeah, and lets kill their wives and kids too!

          • TheSkalawag929

            I was speaking figuratively. This is way over the top.

          • Anonymous

            I agree that your comment was way over the top.

          • TheSkalawag929

            What comment was over the top? That we may, figuratively speaking, go after those who think they are aristocrats here in the U.S.

            Well here’s a news flash for you. We don’t do aristocracy in this country.

          • Anonymous

            Come on. You know you want to.

          • TheSkalawag929

            I want to what exactly?

          • Anonymous

            Your reference to France 1789 when answering the comment about sending some people to jail. Sounds like you want to build some guillotines.

            Of course, that was an appropriate comment from a regressive.
            That was a time when liberalism put an end to the enlightenment replacing “…the previous intellectual trinity of Socrates, Plato, Aristotle,…..with the imposter trinity: Marx, Darwin and Nietzsche…”

          • TheSkalawag929

            You are misguided if you think I want guillotines and you are trying to foist YOUR violent proclivities on me.

            What I want is for the masses to wake up to the fact that the U.S. is starting to look like pre 1789 France. Where the fate of the multitudes were controlled by the whims of the few rich.

            Until we level the playing field the middle-class will continue to shrink while the top 1% will continue to amass more and more wealth for themselves.

            It was the elite that Killed Socrates and caused Plato to flee for his life. It is you who wants to take away freedom to think for oneself by denying the ability to think freely. Which is what you are doing when you condemn those with whom you disagree.

            For you the world is still flat and it is possible to sail off the edge into the abyss.

          • Anonymous

            First off…..not one of your liberal leaders in DC are poor. You on the left constantly harp on the Koch brothers, while your list of leftist supporting billionaires fills the Forbes list to the brim.
            Also, the most liberal actors in Hollywood are filthy rich. The money they “amass” is unbelievable.

            Your problem with the rich is when the rich don’t share your political ideology.

            Second……it’s you who are misguided here. I don’t want to stifle free though in any way. It’s not my side of the political fence who pushes political correctness.
            You can come to a right wing blog site and speak your mind anytime, but I was banned from Media Matters for doing just that.

            But lets look at an example from your side of the aisle. Particularly the case of Oregon State University chemistry professor, and global warming skeptic Nicholas Drapela who was fired last year.

            http://www examiner com/article/climate-change-skeptic-nicholas-drapela-fired-from-oregon-state-university

            The University gave no reason for the firing, but it is a well known ‘pro’ global warming hot spot. We can also look at former climate change guru James Lovelock who finally admitted he could no longer support the hoax.
            The liberal lack of respect for his freedom of thought shows that he too has been excommunicated from your thought church.
            These are but two of many such examples

            Looks like the liberal idea of a level playing field is shutting out the opposing view.

            Then lets look at Socrates.
            Socrates clashed with the democracy and immorality of Athenian politics and society. He also disliked the idea of ‘might make right’ so demonstrated by the leftist desire to sue in court to “foist” it’s will upon the people.
            Socrates and I agree

            I believe the US was never supposed to be a democracy, but a republic. I also dislike the immorality of society today. I also dislike the leftist habit of going to court to force it’s ideal upon the people.
            Gore lost the election to Bush. The left sued in court.
            One of the states rejected gay marriage when put to the voters. The left sued in court.

            And “violent proclivities”??? You mean like when the leftist Black Panthers said they have to kill some crackers and their babies, and the left passed it off as……nothing?

            No….it isn’t me who wants to stifle thought. It wasn’t my ‘conservative’ ideology that killed Socrates in Athens and again in 1789, but I know which ideology wants me an mine to die off today.

          • TheSkalawag929

            Neither are any of your right-wing leaders in DC poor so what? Liberals who are rich and involved are not afraid to work within the system Your rich right-wingers who get involved try to rig the system. Big difference.

            Yes I have a problem with rich people who don’t share my political views and use their wealth to rig the system in their favor.

            Your side does attempt to stifle not only free thought but freedom itself. Look at the laws being passed in the states where republicans have control over the legislatures. Gerrymandering, voter suppression and women’s rights being taken away.

            I don’t know why you were banned from Media Matters or even if you were indeed banned. I’ll take your word for it. You poor thing.

            As to Dr. Drapela’s termination. It might be attributable to his suggestion that “global warming is part of a “new world order” and an attempt to establish “global governance,”. I don’t know why his contract wasn’t renewed.

            Socrates was killed by the Conservative government of the time for the crimes of corrupting the youth and impiety. It was not the liberals that charged, convicted and condemned Socrates. It was the establishment preserving conservatives of the time.

            Our form of government is a hybrid. It combines a Republican form with a Democratic form there by giving us a Democratic Republican government.

            Your belief that only leftist liberal use the court system to further their political agenda is misguided and untrue. Al Gore sued because he thought he had been cheated, I agree with him, but accepted the courts decision in the end. It sounds to me as though you would have denied him his right to redress his grievances. Not very Constitutional of you.

            Yeah the Black Panthers not unlike the Aryan Brotherhood and any number of right-wing white supremacy groups of today. I would not point fingers if I were you.

            Yes you do want to stifle free thought. Yes it was conservative ideology that killed Socrates. I will admit that it was liberals responsible for what happened in 1789 France. And your thinking that the left wants to kill you off is not true. We are more than happy to sit on the sidelines and document your extinction by your own hand.

          • Anonymous

            “Your rich right-wingers who get involved try to rig the system.”

            This is your opinion and nothing but unsubstantiated leftist talking points. You can’t win without the accusation of some perceived evil on the part of all your opponents, then you claim you want a level playing field.
            Hogwash!

            Gerrymandering, voter suppression and women’s rights being taken away? Where on earth is this going on?

            It’s true, I can’t prove that I was banned on MM for my opinion, but it did happen, and I can say the same to you if you believe you’re free thought is being suppressed, even when you can’t point out how and where, you poor thing.

            “It might be attributable to his suggestion that “global warming is part of a “new world order” and an attempt to establish “global governance,”

            Doesn’t matter. He has the right to his opinions, and this is still an example of the leftist intolerance for free thought.

            “Socrates was killed by the Conservative govern…”

            BS! Conservatism does not support the immorality that Socrates stood against, which included homosexuality and “man-boy love” (sound familiar?)……nor does it support democracy.
            Socrates was condemned for rejecting both; for not believing in the gods of the state and for corrupting the youth of the city whom were expected to “pair up” with older men.

            I not only believe the leftist liberals use the court system to further their political agenda, but I proved it by example, and I don’t care what it “sounds” like to you, I’m not denying Gore’s right to redress his grievances.
            I fault his reasons for doing so.
            He wasn’t cheated, but he had the right to demand a recount. When that recount didn’t give him the results he wanted, it was obvious that he was going to drag it out beyond reason, so it was stopped.
            That’s when he sued in court.

            You ignored the example of the leftist gay marriage issue being “foisted” upon the people of California who rejected it on the ballot, but it’s not hard to understand why.
            California’s voter-mandated ban on gay marriages was taken to court and the will of the people was discounted. Leftists believe in democracy only when they win. When democracy works against you, you sue in court.
            Not very democratic of you.

            The Aryan Brotherhood and any number of other nut case groups are not right-wing at all. They’re just nuts. What you do here is nothing more than the dishonest ploy of guilt by association.
            You again try to poison the well of public discourse by accusing a false alliance between these groups and conservatives when the truth is……..David Duke, the communist and Nazi parties all support your leftist OWS crowd.

            I do not want to stifle free thought, and you have failed to prove so by example, or any other means. There is, and never has been any bill in congress created by the right in order to restrict the leftist point of view from being expressed. What you believe to be suppression is our right to disagree and challenge you.
            You can’t tolerate either one.
            And my thinking that the left wants to kill me off is not only true, but documented on both political blogs and public comments.

    • President Obama and the rest of the Dems need to grow a set and confront these bullies instead of trying to appease! NOTHING will appease them until there is GOP white President in the Whitehouse!! Plain and simple!

      • charleo1

        I agree with you! Have you ever seen a mouser little man than
        Harry Reid? The first thing I would do is fix the filibuster, and the
        second, is replace Harry Reid with Burney Sanders. I did see an
        interesting poll that said 7 of 10 Democrats want their Party to
        work with the opposition, and get things done. While I think, 8 of
        10 Republicans want their politicians to stand their ground, and
        never compromise. The good news is, after watching the T-Party
        in action, and unveiling Republicans as the shameless corporate shills,
        they, without a doubt in the world are. Progressives, the real Mom,
        and Dad Party, have won the popular vote in 6 of the last 5 National
        elections. The women’s vote, the Latino vote, the Asian vote,
        the 21-35 college educated vote. Today I read that obnoxious
        little twerp, Rance Preibus, was trying to figure out why people
        thought Republicans were intolerant, cold hearted, and cared only
        about the rich. Go figure, right?

      • jgsoliveira

        Don’t tell that! They are racists but do not like to be called that. They now play dismissive: The race card.

    • elw

      I think they continue to act as if the last 30 years never happened. I personally do not think it is wise to compromise with anyone stuck in the 1970s.

    • jgsoliveira

      That’s a Republican for you!

  • docb

    She was using a TELEPROMPTER..I saw the clip.. And the repub baggers just voted against VAWA and tried to lie out of it!

    • progressiveandproud

      Couldn’t find a crayon to write the script on her hand?

      • docb

        She was using a teleprompter..Saw the clip but did not save it!

        • Anna Drake

          Even Rubio read from the teleprompter – that’s why he never took his eyes of the screen while reaching out for water, Teleprompter will not stop, but will keep on rolling. Too bad that NONE of the NEWSIES will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Bachmann used it, THEY ALL USE IT.

          • jgsoliveira

            I can see the day when almost everyone will be out of work and they will start hunting the people they’ll blame for it.

      • jgsoliveira

        No, the Republicans are scared to let a talk on her own, so she uses a teleprompter. She used it also when running for VP.

  • montanabill

    Top 10% income earners pay 70% of the income taxes on 45% of the income. If the rich aren’t paying their fair share, then something akin to ‘dark matter’ must be paying the 70%.
    Oh yeah, and how dare a woman not complain about women not having freedom. She’s really suppressed and just doesn’t know it.

    • TheSkalawag929

      If you have most of the money you should pay most of the taxes. If you want more Americans to share in the tax burden of the country then the rich must relinquish their hold on some of their wealth.
      Read your second statement slowly and I think you will find that what you said is not something you want to brag on. Having a woman not complaining about women not having freedom is not a good thing and to my mind is akin to a woman not complaining about women being beaten and violated as something worthy of praise. It doesn’t put the mentality of conservative women in a very good light.

      • montanabill

        People who make the most money do pay the most taxes. However, it is illogical to have created graduated rates. That is simply a penalty on those who work harder for success. Another thought is that if you expect the rich to fund the country, you can hardly be upset when they want a say in how that money is spent. A flat tax would return all of us to equality. The high income people would still be paying the most, but in a fair manner.

        • TheSkalawag929

          People who make the most money don’t necessarily pay the most taxes. People like Mitt Romney and Warren Buffet makes millions but pay a pittance in taxes. Then you have companies like G.E. and big oil making billions in profit and not any paying taxes. As a matter of fact they are getting refunds.
          Yes I can be upset. And rightfully so when they want more of a say than any other American solely based on money. As a republican whom I presume believes in the Constitution surely you agree with precept of one man one vote. After all isn’t buying political influence illegal in this country?
          I don’t like the flat tax. I don’t see the equality in it. On the surface it looks great. But as usual the devil is in the details.

          • montanabill

            Define a pittance? By your definition, $12 million is a pittance. Big companies only get refunds of taxes previously paid. They get it if they have had losses. Government is not sending them someone else’s money, as in the case of earned income tax credits.

            I can assure you that throughout history, the person who pays the most, wants to have the biggest say. I don’t see any thing on the horizon that will change that basic tenant.

            The only reason I can see that you wouldn’t like a flat tax is that you believe your deductions are valid and high income people’s deductions are not, or that you feel like people who are very successful need to pay a penalty for that success. There should be only three details: 1) People making at or below the poverty level pay nothing. 2) any change in the tax percentage applies equally to all taxpayers. 3) no deductions.

        • idamag

          At least they think they do.

        • jgsoliveira

          You did not answer the man!

          • montanabill

            I can only assume you are referring to ‘the rich must relinquish their hold on some of the wealth’ since my comment on women was simply a sarcastic response to nonsense. If so, then I can tell you that the rich do not have a hold on wealth. You are as free as any one else to go earn whatever amount of it you want. Wealth is not like a pie where someone’s large piece means you get a smaller piece. You can grow the pie. That’s what most of us who started at the bottom did.

        • Bill

          Only some people would be more equal.

          • montanabill

            Laws of nature, all nature.

    • charleo1

      Yep. What skalawag929, said. When 400 people at the top, are worth more
      than the 150 million people on the bottom combined. Who do you think should
      pay? Hey, maybe you’re right. And we should start confiscating some mobil
      homes. So, Mitt wouldn’t have to pay a whole 11% on his 22.5 million annual
      income. Or, maybe since one in four multi national, corporations paid no taxes,
      but got money back from the government. We should even the playing field,
      and say okay, we’re going to cut Medicare, meals on wheels, pell grants,
      and social security, so two out of four multi national corporations, will pay
      zero taxes, and we’ll make it up to the guys like Mitt, by allowing them to
      say, write off their Aspen ski lodge, as a business expense. Oh wait! We’re
      already doing all that. Well, don’t worry. We’ll think of something nice.
      I know! Maybe those 150 million, at the bottom, could give up a little something!

      • TheSkalawag929

        Yeah maybe something like living.

        • charleo1

          Ha!

        • plc97477

          At the very least, their health care.

          • TheSkalawag929

            That is assuming that they have Health Care to give up.

      • montanabill

        You need to learn the difference between earned income and capital gains income and why it is taxed differently. You should probably also be happy for corporations that don’t pay taxes, because when they do, they usually pass that cost on to you, the consumer. A nice flat tax or at most, two tiered flat tax would eliminate all the loopholes and deductions.

        • charleo1

          Can you tell me why it is that the Right finds it necessary
          to first insult, then assume the person that happens not
          to share their opinion, must have some fundamental
          misunderstanding of the issue? The fact that I perhaps
          understand too well, the difference between earned income,
          and capital gains, And how that contributes to the growing
          inequities between the people who actually work for a living,
          and those who make immoral amounts of money on paper,
          while contributing nothing of any value at all to anyone, but
          themselves. In fact, many of their activities, such as running
          up the price of a barrel of oil, by artificially creating shortages.
          Which they also get the sweetheart, capital gains rate. While
          the poor smuck who does actually work, and fix somebody’s car,
          or does something useful, is paying the intentionally inflated gas
          prices, and the higher tax rate. That’s wrong. And it doesn’t
          take a lot of education to see it either. There’s lots, I’ll admit
          I don’t understand. I don’t understand why a fellow can take a
          10 million dollar tax write off. That’s right off his gross. When
          he gives the money to his church. Which then uses that money
          to plow into a political campaign that seeks to deny the civil
          rights of Gay people. How would you like it, if your taxes went up,
          or the public debt was increased, to subsidize a group that wants
          to deny your civil rights? I’m talking about Mitt Romney, the Mormon
          Church, and the State of California. So, no I don’t understand
          how people can haw as much about the Constitution as the Right
          does, and not have a problem with that. But that’s kind of the
          culture over there, isn’t it? The rich do it, we’ll defend it.

          • montanabill

            Your original post did not indicate that you knew the difference. Actually, most of the workers you cite, almost certainly have an earned income tax rate less than most capital gains rates. I would most certainly support giving more to private charities (churches included) than giving that money to government to be used for vote buying, which is exactly what they do. Your side plowed every bit as much money into promoting issues that I certainly don’t approve of, such as welfare without work. By the way, no one was objecting or trying to deny rights for gay people. They were for providing the same civil rights to them but not by way of marriage since it can’t really be a marriage, no matter who claims to marry them. If you think the Republicans were trying to deny real rights, you are badly misinformed.

            One more question: if you bought your house for $100,000 and sold it for $200,000 and your neighbor, who makes $250,000 a year did the same. Is it fair for both of you to pay the same tax rate and amount on the $100,000 profit (capital gains) or for you to pay $0 and him to pay $33,000, (earned income) just because his earned income is greater than yours?

          • old_blu

            Does this seem fair to you bill?
            1) ExxonMobil made $19 billion in profits in 2009. Exxon not only paid no federal income taxes, it actually received a $156 million rebate from the IRS, according to its SEC filings. [Note: Our post last April reported that ExxonMobil was owed $46 million by the IRS.]
            2) Bank of America received a $1.9 billion tax refund from the IRS last year, although it made $4.4 billion in profits and received a bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department of nearly $1 trillion.
            3) Over the past five years, while General Electric made $26 billion in profits in the United States, it received a $4.1 billion refund from the IRS.
            4) Chevron received a $19 million refund from the IRS last year after it made $10 billion in profits in 2009.
            5) Boeing, which received a $30 billion contract from the Pentagon to build 179 airborne tankers, got a $124 million refund from the IRS last year.
            6) Valero Energy, the 25th largest company in America with $68 billion in sales last year received a $157 million tax refund check from the IRS and, over the past three years, it received a $134 million tax break from the oil and gas manufacturing tax deduction.
            7) Goldman Sachs in 2008 only paid 1.1 percent of its income in taxes even though it earned a profit of $2.3 billion and received an almost $800 billion from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury Department.
            8) Citigroup last year made more than $4 billion in profits but paid no federal income taxes. It received a $2.5 trillion bailout from the Federal Reserve and U.S. Treasury.
            9) ConocoPhillips, the fifth largest oil company in the United States, made $16 billion in profits from 2007 through 2009, but received $451 million in tax breaks through the oil and gas manufacturing deduction.
            10) Over the past five years, Carnival Cruise Lines made more than $11 billion in profits, but its federal income tax rate during those years was just 1.1 percent.

          • TheSkalawag929

            Old_Blu you are going to overload bill’s motherboard with all those facts and figures.
            Wait a minute. Do you smell something burning? I hope you didn’t make bill’s head explode.

          • jgsoliveira

            It cannot explode because i’ts empty!

          • TheSkalawag929

            Maybe I should have said implode since it is devoid of sense.

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          • There is no welfare without work, look up welfare reform 1996. That law has not been changed and is still being enforced.

          • charleo1

            I don’t know why you would be opposed to welfare without
            work. The only people Republicans can hand it out to, their big money beneficiaries haven’t put in an honest day’s work in their life. By the way, you do realize your contentions about people voting for
            Democrats to get free stuff is insulting, and completely ignores the
            hundreds of other reasons the majority won’t vote for Republicans.
            A big problem people have with voting for Republicans, is most
            of them don’t seem to be very nice people. And they don’t seem
            to have much respect for people either. And their supporters who
            we do meet personally, don’t seem to have a problem with that.
            In fact, it seems, those politicians that are the most disrespectful
            and not the least bit concerned about the other fellow, seem to
            be the ones that do the best in the Republican Party. So the truth
            is, people are people. And people don’t vote for people they don’t like.
            People they wouldn’t invite to their homes. Because they know
            sooner or later, before the party’s over, they are going to make a
            social ass out of themselves. And, besides the constant prostrating
            themselves, and fawning over the rich. Without any concern as to
            how they came to have a big bank account. But, to everyone else,
            they just come off as pretentious bores. Is there a school where

            they learn this? I wonder.

          • jgsoliveira

            Yes, its called The ASSHOLE School!

          • jgsoliveira

            Many are on Welfare because they have NO WORK, you moron. I’m a Democrat who has no problem insulting an ass like you who is part of the problem. Very soon you’ll say that you support hospitalization only for healthy people

          • montanabill

            Why do they have NO WORK? Newspaper want ads are full of positions available. There is plenty of work. It may be minimum wage or it may require specific skills. If all you qualify for is a minimum wage job, who’s fault is that? If a job with your skills isn’t available, here’s a solution: learn new skills. And take whatever job you can get until you do.
            You certainly have no problem insulting people. It requires little thinking.

          • idamag

            Our system is upside down. I want people to be successful. More power to the person whose innovation is a value to him and his country. However, there is nothing wrong with the person whose contribution to society is sweat. Our system is upside down because the person who works the hardest receives the least.

          • TheSkalawag929

            Nicely said.
            The insult is the republican tell. It means that they have no credible rebuttal and everything that follows is BS.

          • montanabill

            My taxes are going up to do exactly that: deny civil rights to me. Every single increase in government power is a certain degree of freedom lost. One day, you may understand that.

          • charleo1

            I don’t understand how you equate your taxes going up, as
            an increase in Government power. The government has had
            the power to legally tax it’s citizens as long as you, and I have
            been around. And, you won’t find a single example anywhere
            on Earth, where the government may not tax it’s citizens. The
            “deal,” that’s what the Constitution is all about. The deal we
            make with government is, we the people, will grant the power
            guaranteed to us, by the Constitution, to individuals of our
            choosing, to speak, and act on our behalf. The problem starts
            when those individuals, whether thru tax, or fiduciary policy
            or actions taken, by these duly elected representatives, to
            use, military action for the protection, and security of the Country,
            has necessitated the increase of taxes, for the financial good of
            the the Country. Now, we may conclude, aggressively lowering
            taxes, while contemplating a major military endeavor, was not
            prudent. But, neither was it overstepping the bounds, and
            constraints of government. Nor is raising taxes, when revenues
            fall below the capacity to carry out previously determined duties,
            written into law, in accordance, and in good faith, with the legitimate,
            “deal,” all Americans make with their Government. Don’t like the
            deal? Vote for other representatives, or find a place that suits
            your inclinations more closely.

          • montanabill

            My taxes going up means that government has more power to buy votes, which it exercises pretty regularly. I have no disagreement with your statement on the right of government to levy tax, but only with what that money is ultimately used to buy. Our needs are pretty simple: a strong military, investment in infrastructure and reasonable civil authority. Beyond those basics, government should be pretty well shackled. Will times occur that require government intervention, yes. But we have made government intervention into almost every aspect of our lives and usurpation of our freedoms, a slow but surely growing, threat to the basic reasons this country was founded.

          • charleo1

            To believe when a government is running the kind of deficits
            it is, that additional revenue would be used to buy votes, seems
            a pretty cynical way to look at things. And, for you to assume to
            speak for the Country, when you say, “our needs,” sounds kind
            of entitled. Don’t you think? Your view is, affording healthcare is
            not a problem for me. So, why is my government using my money
            to do something I don’t need? Must be buying votes. Same with
            Social Security. I don’t need Social Security, and yet there’s the
            government, intervening in people’s lives. Making them dependent.
            Pretty soon, we’ll not have any freedoms left! Is that about it?
            I’ve got mine. So all I need from the government, is a big whoop
            ass, military, and enough security, I don’t have to worry about my
            personal safety. And, other than that, it, (gov.) should be pretty well
            shackled. Look, you’re an intelligent person. But, you’ve been
            sold a bill of goods. You wouldn’t want to live in a Country that
            had a government like you say you want. What you describe
            can be found today in third word Countries. And a big powerful
            military, will not address the social problems that have the well
            off living behind high walls, and using bodyguards everywhere they
            go. That is the direct results of a poorly paid labor force, with a
            government unable, or unwilling to make provisions for people
            that have worked for subsistence wages, and endured long bouts
            of unemployment throughout their lives. That’s exactly the kind of
            labor force we’re looking at here, if some things don’t change.
            It boils down to two choices we have here in this Country.
            Employers can decide it’s better to pay a living wage, and provide
            health insurance, and a modest retirement, like they used to.
            Or, they can pay higher taxes, so the government can cover the
            additional expenses created, simply by being a live person, and
            being in this Country. So, pick your poison. The wealthy really do
            call the shots. So, do they want an educated, civilized, modern society. Or do they want to create a third world cesspool, where,
            it’s every man out for himself?

          • montanabill

            I could extrapolate your reasoning to say that if any citizen needs or wants something, then it is imperative that government provide it and some people must, therefore, pay whatever taxes are necessary for those people to have what they want.

            I didn’t ‘get’ mine. I worked long and hard with the associated sacrifices to insure my family’s security. And as you well know, simply working hard without thought to the future is a recipe for disaster. I haven’t been sold a ‘bill of goods’. I have eyes and can plainly see that a substantial segment of our society is all too willing to ‘let George do it’, as the old saying goes. If you are getting any kind of government assistance today, and you are not one of the few born with significant problems, suffered a debilitating illness, been disabled by accident or have done service to the country, you are a parasite. I know that sounds harsh, but it is reality.

            I did not exclude SS, Medicaid, Obamacare or UC, simply because those programs are simply different forms of taxation used for income redistribution, primarily to buy votes. If that were not so, we could have political discussions about them without one side resorting to demonization.

        • jgsoliveira

          They did a good job with you! Brainwashed!

      • jgsoliveira

        Take that Montana and stick up the bill!

    • old_blu

      If they can give 10 to 15% to their church so they can have a write off they should be happy to give to the country that made it so they could do just that.

      • montanabill

        Believe, I’d be very happy to pay just 15%, even 25%. However, I don’t follow your logic that simply because you worked hard enough to make more, that it follows you should pay more. That simply attaches a penalty to working harder.

        • Bill

          Try working and maybe you would, oh I forgot, you clam to be a successful business owner and I’m a PRINCE !!!

          • jgsoliveira

            Again, being rude! Typical Republicon!

          • Bill

            I’m not a Republicon, are you?

      • montanabill

        I was referring to percent rates, not actual dollars.

    • Taxes on the wealthy are at a 50+ year LOW. What part of that seems unfair to you? Again, under Obama, the wealthy are paying LESS than they did under Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2.

      Explain to me why they should pay even LESS now; explain why we can’t raise their taxes back to the levels under St. Reagan?

      • idamag

        Somehow, Montana thinks that money earned by speculation should be taxed at ridiculously low rates to none. What value, to our society, is speculators?

      • Not Bush 2, he gave 2 tax breaks in 2001 and 2004 so they were paying less and their taxes just up under President Obama because the Bush2 tax cuts were finally allowed to expire.

      • jgsoliveira

        He does not give straight answers, so quit throwing your pearls!

    • plc97477

      We now know you are not a tax accountant

  • Melda Page

    Since the (evil) NRA wants everyone to have a gun and use it, I think all American women should have one and use it against any person or group that tries to enslave them–essentially, denying women the right to make decisions about their own bodies is the right-wing zealots way of reenslaving women in all respects. So hurt them, hurt them badly.

    • TheSkalawag929

      Melda they aren’t worth the prison time. If you really want to hurt them do everything you can to boot their sorry dictatorial butts out of office and to the curb.

      • july860

        Well said!

      • Only problem is that ‘out on the curb’ could end up with us poor folks having to support them because most of them couldn’t get jobs in the ‘real world’. I’d say boot them out of the country to some forlorn pacific isle where they can learn how to fend for themselves and not rip us off at every chance they get.

        • TheSkalawag929

          We already support them. The difference would be that they wouldn’t be in control from the curb and we could watch them carefully and make sure that they never are in control again. Besides it wouldn’t be fair to dump our trash on someone else.

        • plc97477

          Lets make them take welfare. See how well they can live on that.

          • jgsoliveira

            Actually I think a Republican Governor did just that.

        • jgsoliveira

          What ever you do, PLEASE do not send them to the Azores!

      • jgsoliveira

        agree!

    • Anna Drake

      Your mother let you live – and times were harder then than now. Responsibility is the key. If some can afford do have their nails done every month they can afford damn pills to prevent a creation of life that they can’t take responsibility for.
      I am on a board with Repukes on that. Life is a gift. If somebody likes the free sex life then there are options – snip it, (vasectomy), tied up (tubes tied) or swallow the pill and enjoy your life. Why should little innocent 3-4 + mo into life in a womb have to be cruelly killed just because the so called mommy made bad choice. What did the baby do to deserve a such a death, and we show more mercy to serial killers (cost more to house them then to raise a child), but murder babies w/out a blink of an eye???
      Still can’t understand WHY a some WOMEN DOCTORS will perform this atrocious act of killing a baby – MONEY. RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions

      Baby is not a choice It’s a fact – LIFE.

      • When I was born abortion was illegal and hundreds of women were dying because of do it yourself abortions or some sleazy back door abortions, Also as woman you should know that there is no life until about 41/2 to 5 months into creation of life as you call itand you should also know that all birth control has a percentage of not working and there are women that want children but because things happen they may not ne able to afford a child, were raped, wil die and leave their other children motherless if she doesn’t have an abortion and a victim of inceast. Unless you have been walked a a mile in another’s woman shoes to see why they have had an abortion you and the Republican party have no right to come between the woman, her doctor and the father of the biological matter((if he is going to stay and support her) decision. There is no life nothing but bioloigal matter then embyro,no life and a fetus that is the beginning of a baby but still not alive then the baby at somewhere around 5 months and can not surivie outside the woman’s womb. Another thing how many children would you adopt or have adopted when women give up a fully formed baby to be adopted because they can’t afford to feed and clothe it?
        Also how do you suppose to stop the body from performing abortions at any time into the prenancy which it does 24 hours a day, 365 days a year,that is what dr’s call miscarriages nature’s abortions.

  • GOP the party of fiscal responsibility when it comes to cutting/defunding programs that help real Americans, while preserving the inequality of: rights, religion, corporate “people”, and their fellow wealthy elite.
    GOP no longer the party that has anyone representing the base beliefs of our Constitution, rather use it to suppress the rights of the many to bump the rights of the rich.

  • nobsartist

    When it comes to the Bill Of Rights, neither party follows that.

    “pursuit of happiness” is illegal.

    • TheSkalawag929

      BS! artist.

  • old_blu

    It’s too bad that all the good things that are happening to America right now the GOP can not say they had any part in it. They could be saying we were part of making this country great, but they can’t say that.

    • BDC_57

      You are right they are the party of the no vote.

  • Pamby50

    I just saw Sarah Palin speech. What an idiot!!!

  • MOM

    Here’s irony for you: Guess which states STILL have NOT ratified the Equal Rights Amendment for women? Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Virginia. So if you are a gun loving woman in one of these states… the jokes really on you!

    • old_blu

      Are any of those states blue? I think they are all red or very purple.

      • jgsoliveira

        Red like wine and the biggest recipients of welfare too.

  • Ed

    The Nazi’s, oh yeah! I remember them. They were the first nation in the wolrd to DEMAND that every pregant ARYAN women carry the baby to term. Not that they were worried about babies being murdered. It ws the duty of the mother to produce more Nazi’s. As the saying went-“Hitsie Totsie, another Nazi”!

    • jgsoliveira

      now we have little Republicons, or should we call them Michigans?

  • Ed

    At the present time the repubs, having failed to keep the president from a seconnd term, are determined to smear his presidency by doing everything they can to make the obs/economy picture worse. They know a little bit of history, they know that Roosevelt saved many in the country from starvation and diespair, and they do not intend to let it happen again. They are serious in their pursuit to destroy the government.

    • jgsoliveira

      They have been doing that in foreign countries since I can remember, so they have lots of experience. Remember the Shah of Iran? And we still wonder why the poor Iranians do not like us.

  • Bill

    Enslave women but don’t take my big gulp, care about you until your born and then you are on your own, want smaller government but still tell you how you can live your life, the new GOP is worse than it has ever been and people who will never benefit from their policies continue to vote for them, go figure !!

    • jgsoliveira

      It all has to do with the percentage of gray matter in the brain.

  • jgsoliveira

    I’m reading Sarah’s going rogue and it doesn’t seem to me she wrote the book herself. Does anyone know if she hired someone for that purpose, or did she regurgitated all that by herself? It is funny how she portrays herself as such a duty bound person to later on quit being a Governor in mid term. She likes Rush, Fox News, etc. And that Africa deal never happened.

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