BOZO — your disclaimer doesn’t cut it my friend. You owe everyone who sees your post a heartfelt apology. There is no place in civilized society for such absurd rubbish.

tg… a couple of things…

1) what is “socialized medicine”? Please explain.

2) Canadians that need and want medical services without waiting or have life threatening disease AND money…. they come to America. Yes they do. Who was that famous Canadian leader and politician that came here for heart surgery? I forget. Not long ago. The other pols that come here now do so under cover.

3) Medicaid is going broke, or is functionally broke at this moment. Not a model of success that you should rely on. That’s not me saying that, that’s the trustees that run it who are saying this.

Have a nice day!

Hey Jackoff… He should not show his taxes until Obozo shows his complete and unredacted educational records. All of it. Courses, professors, papers, and writings or publishings… all of it. Until then…. STFU!

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Joe… My religion/non-religion is none of your damned business. That said, under no circumstances did Jesus support the concepts of collectivism. Rather, he preached individual responsibility and individual salvation. The story about the Good Samaritan does not say to walk by the injured and tell them “hang in there for a few minutes. Someone from the government will come by to help soon”. The moral of the story is that you, the individual, are responsible to assist the needy.

Your inability to understand my post, or refusal to do so, regarding the immorality of expecting that you have a right to the labor of another man is an indication of how far left you stand.

Thank you for your thoughts.

Have a nice day!

jm… typical leftist idiot that completely misunderstands the value of the profit motive in improving services and reducing costs. However, as the government gets more and more involved, the result is crony capitalism and corruption (which is exactly what Obozocare is) combined with increasing costs and decreasing supply. The whole Obozocare scheme has nothing to do with insuring people. It has to do with government control over your life, increased dependency on government, and perpetual control of the government by the party that passes out the goodies… the DemocRATS. That is ALL that Obozocare is about. Only a useful idiot prone to buying off on the lies of the leftists thinks otherwise.

Have a nice day!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill

Faster…. What gives you the right to the labor of a doctor or nurse? Is it the very fact that you breathe that allows you to enslave those service providers? Is that what gives you the right to my pocket? You breathe? You’re a parasite. Plain and simple. Admit it.

Health care IS NOT A RIGHT. How can it be a right when the providers of that care (doctors, nurses, admin, medical equipment and supplies makers, janitors, everyone involved) must be paid in order to make a living and provide for their families? Are they your slaves that you have a right to beat? And if they must be paid, what right do you have to force others to labor for your benefit? Please answer these questions.

While I am sorry for your disability, if you were prudent with your earnings while working, you would not be in such a position. Your circumstances are your circumstances, NOT mine. If you were my neighbor, I would be charitable with you and probably buy your groceries and other things for you because that is the right thing to do, and I have an obligation to help you personally. But the concept that you, through your vote, have the right to rob my pocket via proxy through the politicians is absolutely immoral.

Do we, as a society, need to have a safety net. YES! This is something that will surprise you after reading the above, but I do think we can and should have a social saftey net for those, who like you, find themselves in desparate situations. The difference between you and I is that I think there are much more effective means of building and managing that safety net than the failed methods of turning over the earnings to politicians who have their own self-interests and greed that motivates WHAT they do with the earnings they confiscate.

Your assumption that I or other conservatives think we should not have any taxation is foolish. Of course we need taxation. Primarily for defense. After all, it was the lack of funding for defense that brought down the Articles of Confederation. But the argument of taxation, and this argument in general always comes down to a single question:

What is the proper role of the federal government in America?

Well, we have an answer to that. It’s called The Constitution. You see, before we can settle on the issues of which programs to cut or grow or support, we really need to settle on the big picture of the proper role of the Federal Government. This is where the debate should be held in this election, but Obozo want’s nothing to do with that, and I’m not sure that Romney does either. Unfortunately.

So while Americans like you and I are at each other’s throats, as we have been for 80 years, the size and scope of the Federal bureaucracy has exploded while politicians have exploited us for their own gain and enrichment. And we now find ourselves approaching 3rd world status because of our debts. They have done this largely by selling people on the concept that they will “take care” of them. Don’t you ever find it odd that less than 10 cents of every dollar taken in for a social program ever reaches the intended recipient? Why is that? Does it bother you that 43 cents of every dollar the Feds spend is BORROWED? Ask yourself where a politicians real power is reflected…. it’s in the size and scope of the bureaucracies that he builds with other people’s money.

I can assure you, faster, that in truth, you and I may not be as far apart as you think. It may seem that way to you, but if we break down the misconceptions that we each have about the other, I think you’ll find that most Americans are actually very libertarian (small “L” on purpose) in their political philosophy. You know… live and let live. I don’t tell you what to do and you don’t tell me what to do. I know, it’s a fine line between self government and anarchy, but it’s better to have more freedom than less. The trouble with self-government is obvious, however. Only a moral and virtuous people can really make it work. Truthfully, the side that is working to decay those morals is the left. If you are objective at all, you would admit to that. I will also place some of that blame on what you percieve as the right. Those that have been corrupted by pursuit of money through illicit practices are equally to blame. If I am objective, I must admit this. And I am objective more than you know.

While you may be angered at me for daring to ask such questions as I did at the beginning of this post, they are legitimate moral questions to ask. I don’t profess to have all the answers to the problems, however. But I can assure this: The answers to the problems ARE NOT with government. They are with us, the people.

Great discussion, faster. Though contentious, I still like a thoughtful exchange. Thank you for your thoughts.

Have a nice day!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill