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Sunday, January 20, 2019

On Friday, 2012 Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney walked back months of promises and told a group of his past donors that he is “seriously considering” another White House bid. According to the Washington Post, he then spent the weekend “calling former aides, donors and other supporters” to rebuild his political operation, and even told one senior Republican that he “almost certainly will” launch another presidential campaign.

There’s still plenty of reason to believe that Romney will not run — and that he’d struggle to win if he did. But if Romney does join the race, he won’t be the only retread candidate seeking the GOP nomination in 2016.

Romney’s runner-up in 2012, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum, has made no secret of his intention to pursue the Republican nomination again. When Santorum was informed that Romney may run again in 2016, he reportedly responded, “bring it on,” and declared that he sees himself as “the winner” in what looks as though it will be a crowded field. Former Texas governor Rick Perry has also begun laying the groundwork for a campaign, huddling with donors and policy experts in the hopes of avoiding a repeat of his 2012 disaster.

If Santorum does run, he’ll likely be joined by fellow Iowa caucus winner Mike Huckabee. The former Arkansas governor recently ended his Fox News show to explore a White House bid. Huckabee won 278 delegates in the 2008 presidential race, barely edging Romney’s 271 but losing easily to Senator John McCain (R-AZ), who has dismissed 2016 speculation by quoting the late Morris Udall: “The people have spoken — the bastards.”

As Romney, Huckabee, Perry, and Santorum weigh their options, former Florida governor Jeb Bush has moved decisively towards a run and established himself as the early frontrunner. Of course, Bush isn’t exactly a fresh face, either; he has not held elected office in six years, and he would almost certainly not be mentioned as a top-tier candidate were he not the brother of the 43rd president and the son of the 41st.

There’s plenty of precedent for Republicans considering well-known national figures and former candidates for their nomination; it’s been the party’s modus operandi for decades. But this year was supposed to be different. As various pundits repeated ad nauseam during the 2012 campaign, the Republican Party was supposed be the party with a “deep bench” of “rising stars” to lead America into the future. But upon further review, anointing Bob McDonnell, Chris Christie, or Marco Rubio as the party’s standard-bearer doesn’t seem like such a great idea.

Some candidates who won media favor in 2012 (such as Wisconsin governor Scott Walker and Kentucky senator Rand Paul) still seem capable of mounting serious campaigns. But they have generated so little support as to leave candidates like Romney and Huckabee confident that they could run again and win. And so the GOP once again seems poised to turn to its failed candidates of the past.

Perhaps it’s no wonder that many Republicans seem determined to take down Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton with a campaign straight out of 1994.

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491 responses to “So Much For The Deep Bench: Republicans Look To The Past For 2016”

  1. Dominick Vila says:

    I would not be surprised if the GOP presidential nomination ends up being between Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney. The rest, including Huckabee, Perry, Santorum, Paul, Rubio, Cruz, and the rest of the gang don’t have a chance. They simply lack the record, name recognition, stature, financial backing, and vision needed to become viable candidates. In fact, I doubt they will be considered for the Nr. 2 spot, especially if Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee. If that happens, the GOP VP candidate will be Nikki Haley.
    Honestly, I doubt the GOP will make the same mistake twice. Mitt proved to be a disaster, in part because of his elitist background, because of his business record which proved to be offensive to most mainstream Americans, because of his financial dishonesty, but mostly because of the things he said on the campaign trail. He paid dearly for his 47% remark, and people have not forgotten what he said.

    • mike says:

      Mitt blew it and shouldn’t run. Compare what the Republicans have in numbers and new faces, anything can happen.
      Hillary isn’t that great either. All the democrats have at this moment is Hillary, Warren, maybe Webb. Hillary is not a good campaigner and she is definitely not a Slam Dunk.
      The economy will play a major role.
      We will wait and see but it will be interesting and fun.

      • drdroad says:

        I agree in one regard, the economy will play a major role. That should give the Democrats an advantage given the major recovery the President has orchestrated, despite GOP efforts to continue the stall, so Dems don’t get credit. Remember Romney promised he had a plan to get growth to 5% and unemployment down to 6% by the end of his first term. But we are there today, 2 years early.

        • mike says:

          “President has orchestrated”, Really???
          So the president has orchestrated the oil and gas abundance, Right??
          He has orchestrated all those full time high paying jobs, Right?
          As to the two questions posed. Obama had nothing to do with oil or gas production nor has the majority of jobs been full time or high paying. There has been little relief for the Middle Class.
          To Romney’s promise, how do you know his prediction could not have happened even faster??
          My suggestion is “Don’t count your chickens before they hatch”, as to 2016.

          • Faraday_Cat says:

            Romney’s promise was idiotic when he made it, and completely uninspired:

            “But Moody’s Analytics, in an August forecast, predicts 12 million jobs will be created by 2016, no matter who is president.”
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/08/30/factchecker-romneys-12-million-job-promise/

          • mike says:

            How in the heck can you call Romney’s promise idiotic?? He said he had a plan to reach 12 Million. DUH!!
            Then you say a Moody’s analytics said “no matter who is president 12 million new jobs by 2016”. So both were on the same page, what the heck is wrong with that?? Romney hedged his bet, Big deal!!! If you had read the article CBO downsized its estimate to around 9.7 Million from 11 million.
            You know that article was written in August 2012? When you add up the new jobs from the time article written to last month only 6.2 Million new jobs have been added. So in two years another 6 million must be added to reach that 12 million number. So who can say which one is correct.

        • joe schmo says:

          For your information, it was not the Republicans that stalled. It was Congress under Peloser and Reidtard. Now the only hold back will be Obama, the veto king.

          • Taz202 says:

            Right – it was democrats in the House who refused to bring up important legislation for votes. What are you sniffing, Joe?

          • joe schmo says:

            No….it was Harry Reid who decided to withhold over 300 bills in the senate because he didn’t want to upset the emperor……

          • Taz202 says:

            Yea, nonsense bills like the 50+ to overturn Obamacare, and others that would hurt the middle class, etc. and benefit the wealthy. You must be a rich man. The House has been sitting on a jobs bill since 2011 and immigration bill for over 18 months.

          • idamag says:

            Don’t forget the Ryan bill.

          • Taz202 says:

            Yea – it privatizes Social Security and turns Medicare into a voucher system. How would this benefit the middle class and seniors?

          • stcroixcarp says:

            Why are you still blaming Pelosi? She hasn’t been in power for years. Your mantra is getting really old. Can’t you think of anything more creative?

      • idamag says:

        You talk about ideas and predictions and that is smart.

    • drdroad says:

      I agree. But we can still hope. Cruz vs Hillary??!! One for the ages, might beat the Goldwater/Johnson stomping.

      • joe schmo says:

        Just what we need is another establishment ruler like Bush. I have read so many posts on many different sites stating how the Conservatives DON’T want another Bush in office. Don’t get it. Yah, would love to see someone different for a change. Although, this is just what the Dems did and look what we ended up with. A Communist……

        • Taz202 says:

          Joe, you really are delusional!

        • Gary Miles says:

          Your holding back Joe, he’s a muslim sympathizing Communist race pimp.

          • James Bagley says:

            A communist? Do you even know what a communist is? Either you don’t or you are just fond of hyperbole. You’d better let Wall Street know about Obama’s closet communism, because they’ve been breaking all capitalist records under the Obama Administration.

            Just when you’ve made a couple of good points you come out here and say silly things like this. Maybe you just got carried away with a few extra beers after work — it happens, I guess.

            Why don’t you name one black person in the whole world who opposes racism yet isn’t a ‘race pimp’. It seems to be that you only have 2 requirements for a ‘race pimp’:

            1. Black skin.
            2. Public opposition to racism.

          • Gary Miles says:

            OH Heck, Don’t get your panties in a wad, LOL There were a few less than tolerant respectful replies sent my way so I thought I’d piss ’em off a little. I don’t agree with Obama’s policies and his background is subject to scrutiny. He’s a Progressive if that help’s, just like Bush. ROFLMAO!

          • joe schmo says:

            LOL, and an anti-colonialist as well….. Weren’t we so lucky for someone to come in and just about annihilate 200+ years of freedom…. and to actually have followers….. Who knew:)

          • old_blu says:

            You forgot about the Birth Certificate.

      • David L. Allison says:

        Cruz is a stalking horse for Rand Paul and I would warn against taking Paul too lightly as a candidate for nomination and as a threatening opponent against HRC.

    • Bren Frowick says:

      Might be Suzanne Martinez rather than Haley, who has some baggage of her own, but otherwise I agree completely.

    • itsfun says:

      Seems to me, we should be able to find more than 2 families to keep running for President.

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      Santorum might even have a chance at winning in a general election, but that’s why he won’t make it through the primary…not right-wing crazy enough for the nomination.

      • bobnstuff says:

        Are you sure you are talking about the same Santorum, He is a real piece of work. He is almost to crazy for the RWNJ’s

    • angelsinca says:

      Again Dominic, at this point in the ’08 race, Obama was an unknown. I don’t think we’ve seen the GOP hopeful yet. But we sure have seen a lot of wish-they-wouldn’ts.

  2. bobnstuff says:

    It’s a sad day for the republican party when this is their best hope. I still wish for a man on a white horse to appear and lead the party but there is little chance of that.

  3. Gary Miles says:

    It don’t matter who runs on either side, he/she will be a Statist who works for his financial donors and the bankers. Obama has been such a disaster, the Republicrats can run Bugs Bunny and win in a landslide. Then again, Bugs might be the best choice anyway!

    • Bill Thompson says:

      Newsflash Obama isn’t running again. The Republicans will have to demonize a new democratic candidate,i can hardly wait for the fun to begin. Once again the tea party zealots and the extreme right wing will drag the conversation so far to the right that a moderate candidate will once again look like a fool in the primary process. Go Rick Santorum!!!

      • joe schmo says:

        Tea Party zealots is old, old, old. Better find a new mantra. That one died some time ago….. You need to be better informed.

      • itsfun says:

        Do you mean like the Democrats demonized Bush?

      • TZToronto says:

        Let’s see, what might that be? Oh, I know. How about Benghazi?? You know, that “issue” that has been disposed of, even by Republicans, numerous times? Or how about Whitewater? The future first gentleman’s Oval Office behavior (like that’s Hillary’s fault)? Or maybe the anti-woman Republicans’ soon-to-be-heard assertion that post-menopausal women are ruled by their hormones and can’t be trusted to run a country? (So let’s trust a jingoistic Republican man to run things instead.)

      • idamag says:

        They already have bumper stickers out, demonizing Hiliary Clinton.

    • darkagesbegin says:

      Stock market up, unemployment down, gas under 2 dollars a gallon. Ill take that kind of disaster anytime. Too bad the only thing republicans are good at is…real disasters.

      • joe schmo says:

        LOL, no new jobs, 2-3 part-time jobs, Obamacare disaster, new 75 tax on gas, interest rates slated to go up, debt through the roof. Isn’t there anything Liberals know how to do other than spend money and tax/regulate us to death.

        • bobnstuff says:

          Joe I have a news flash for you, the jobs are mostly full time. Go to the BLS web site and look at the job
          numbers. This is the real numbers not the cooked up ones that the talking heads are using. Also did you see the numbers from the Fed on how much they made on interest this year. If your roads are good then
          leave the gas tax were it is but in my area the bridges are about to fall down and the roads need a lot of work so raising the gas tax seems like a good idea.

          • joe schmo says:

            Funny, how many of those jobs were for lower wage positions and, as I know from our state, many of those jobs most likely went to ‘illegals,’ oh I mean, the now new ‘legal’ citizens….

            Construction added 48,000 jobs in December, well above the employment gains in recent months. Specialty trade contractors added jobs in December (+26,000), with the gain about equally split between residential and nonresidential contractors. Employment also increased in heavy and civil engineering construction (+12,000)
            and in nonresidential building (+10,000).

            In December, employment in food services and drinking places increased by 44,000. The industry added an average of 30,000 jobs per month in 2014.

            The largest increase was in construction and food industries. Low wage jobs…. The only other area where there was an increase was is in healthcare.

          • bobnstuff says:

            Did you notice the part time employment numbers and the full time employment numbers and the changes over the last year, the ratio is almost the same. Add into that the fact that the average wage is about the same which means that the new jobs are paying about the same as the existing ones. The other number you don’t see much is the G6 number that is down from a high of 17.2 to 11.2 or about a third lower. In the last year we went from 17,240,000 full time jobs to 119,934,000 in 12/2013 and 27,434,000 part time jobs to 27,934,000 in 12/2014 or in other words the ratio of full time jobs to part time jobs has changed little.

          • Gary Miles says:

            There are 248,844,000 noninstitutional people in the US. These are who people can work. There are 156,397,000 people employed which equal’s a 62.8% labor force participation. That’s an important fact that people fail to see what it really means. The 62.8% number is now as low as it was at it’s lowest point since Feb 1978 (yes, that’s Carter’s Administration). 232,000 people found jobs, what is more disturbing is that the people not in the labor force, rose to a new record high, increasing by 315,000 to 92.6 million. Yet the unemployment rate went down. REALLY?
            Numbers are from the Fed’s released when unemployment rate was released. I have got to find a Fed calculator, because mine actually get’s the math right. The illusion’s just keep getting bigger.

          • James Bagley says:

            Except that you forgot to mention that the participation rate has been falling for many years — long before Barack Obama was elected. It has long been predicted, and it coincides with the aging of the ‘baby boomer’ generation. As you admitted, it has been lower than this before. As you failed to mention, it wasn’t just during the Carter Administration. The participation rate actually has little to do with the job market.

            These numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics have been used for many, many years and the math always adds up. The calculations have always been the same, so you can easily compare today with any time period in the past. You can choose any year that you wish, with the possible exception of time periods during global war, and the numbers will be similar. One thing is certain: President Obama’s employment numbers have already outperformed every single Republican Administration in modern history in almost every single way. Only Democrats have done better. This isn’t a partisan observation, it’s just easily verifiable fact.

          • Gary Miles says:

            This all comes from the government, which I have posted a link to several times. Let me explain the importance of them. The last time they were this low, under Carter, was due to the closing of the steel mills in the Northeast. Now known as the rust belt, is where I grew up. Carter was a one term President because of two things, the economy, which is directly related to those numbers, and foreign policy. The sudden drop began in the middle of 2009 and continues. People vote with their wallets, I think we can agree on that. Obama approval rating is crap, the Dems got killed in the mid terms, and history is simply repeating itself. Reagan in a landslide in 1980, ????? in a landslide in 2016, and it won’t be a Democrat. Just saying!!!!

          • James Bagley says:

            Your explanation just isn’t accurate. When Carter was President, there was no sudden dip in the labor participation rate. In fact, it was climbing from even lower participation rates all through the 1950s and 1960s. This was due to baby boomers and women entering the workforce in large numbers.

            The labor participation rate has been declining since 2000. This has been predicted for some time, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that the baby boomers are now retirement age. Since it started declining 9 full years before Obama took office, blaming him is just silly.

            Midterms mean very little. 2010 was a great midterm for Republicans too, and I heard the same sort of talk then, but Obama easily won the 2012 election. Midterms have never predicted Presidential elections.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Easy on gary & joe. They can’t avoid evaluating apples by weighing and measuring oranges. They have developed the skill of data picking without understanding that their methodology is guaranteed to yield only the results they want rather than truth and accuracy. We know Romney would have caused an economic disaster greater than the Bush recession if he had been elected based on his austerity arguments in his campaign. We can see the failure of those arguments in the continuing crisis in European countries who adopted his prescription. I think it is fair for those of us who support Obama’s recovery to continue pointing out the success of stimulus and the failure of Republican austerity proposals.

          • bobnstuff says:

            Truly, Every country that used austerity is still in trouble. You can’t cut your budget to prosperity.

          • Gary Miles says:

            Any austerity would have to be very slow if at all. No person running for President wanting austerity will win. Once the people get the free cookies, it’s rarely reversible. We will be seeing that first hand if we watch Venezuela, as much of their social programs are funded with oil money. While we all like the low gas prices, the low price of oil will force austerity is some countries and it will be painful for the people. I’m all for giving people a helping hand when they run into hard times. When it becomes a way of life, it can be painful when the money isn’t there. Both sides are hurting America. If JP Morgan is ever hacked and there is a long term stoppage with SNAP cards, look out! I’ll stick with self reliance. PEACE

          • bobnstuff says:

            From what I’ve read the wells that are up and running will stay that way but no new ones will be dropped until the price goes back up. Austerity sounds good but if you think about how the economy work it all depends on cash flow. The more you
            cut the less money there is the less money the more you have to cut until we are the Greeks.

          • Gary Miles says:

            I get many economic e-mails and that includes news on oil companies. Here is a short paragraph from one of them:

            Billionaire Harold Hamm, whose Continental Resources Inc. was a pioneer in shale drilling in North Dakota, is pulling back. The energy producer said in December it will average about 31 rigs in 2015, down from 50.

            One thing I don’t do is lie. I do make errors on occasion as I’m human, LOL!

          • bobnstuff says:

            What I read was the real cost was in the drilling. Once the well is in the cost of bring it up is low
            enough the they still make money at $35 per barrel. The oil companies have to keep selling what they can to stay afloat. If the rig isn’t producing it will be parked. It’s the shale folks that are taking the worst beating.

          • Gary Miles says:

            Agreed! Although I have read different numbers, time will tell. The oil prices may not have hit bottom yet, I’ve heard around 40 for quite a long time, depends on what OPEC does. The drilling will slow dramatically if it’s long term, so I have read, again, time will tell. I like the low prices and hope it last’s, but I don’t want lots of layoffs. I would rather pay a little more and keep people working. That’s what I don’t understand about many on the Left or Right, they don’t see nor understand the negatives.

          • idamag says:

            Case in point: Greece went austerity and started cutting social programs. Their economics continued to decline. Germany focused on jobs and ended up loaning Greece money because their economy went bankrupt.

          • Gary Miles says:

            Proposal’s are not actions, which can’t fail. Genius!

        • stcroixcarp says:

          But look at how Obama has brought down gas prices. I filled up at $1.97 this morning. I don’t care if $.75 of that price is tax. I am seeing a real saving at the pump. THANK YOU OBAMA!

          • kenndeb says:

            The Emperor has NOTHING to do with gas prices.

          • stcroixcarp says:

            What a shock! You mean that the president has NOTHING to do with gas prices? I remember the 2012 campaign, Obama was said to be the cause for the high prices and Bachmann, Gingrich and Romney were all going to lower gas prices if they were elected. Were these GOPers lying? How could that be?

          • plc97477 says:

            Were their mouths moving?

          • David L. Allison says:

            Now you say that and, as explained above, while you were wrong about his being the cause of the rise in gasoline prices, now you are now wrong again in saying that he has nothing to do with gas prices.
            Don’t you hate when that happens?

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            They forget. They didn’t even remember there was a president before Obama who caused all the mess.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Tell the rest of the mouth breathers in your party because they wanted to blame the president when gas prices were high.

          • Gary Miles says:

            Gas prices are great and we all like them. To bad it’s not Obama’s doing. It’s the increase in drilling in the US that has made the US #1 in oil , supplanting Saudi Arabia. Interesting that Democrat’s like Obama said the “drill Baby Drill” was a dream that wouldn’t pay off. As usual, he’s wrong again. You guy’s have got to get your fact’s straight.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Obama did not support “drill baby drill” but “all of the above” which, while I think it was a mistake, but had a major effect on the world petroleum and gas supplies.

            As part of the “all of the above” Obama supported fracking in the US and through his State and Commerce and Interior Departments encouraged fracking both here and in allied countries around the world. The result; Saudis responded by dropping oil they sell to decades-low prices to drive the new oil out of the market.

            The result: Putin’s Russian economy (and policy so highly praised by Republicans) is in a shambles; Gasoline prices are lower than before the Bush recession; The USA has continued expedited energy pipelines for US gas and oil across most of our country and the “oil patch” is busier than ever.

            A second result: In addition to achieving a reduction in the price of gasoline, the “all of the above” policy has generated the fastest growth in any industry in the US – the solar and wind alternative energy industry; The number of manufacturers making alternative fuel vehicles has increased across the board making the tax receipts on gasoline too low to even maintain the infrastructure that automobiles depend upon.

            Sorry for the long post but ignorance and misadventures with the truth and accuracy sometimes take a while to correct.

          • hicusdicus says:

            That’s really good. The best piece of fiction since you can keep your doctor.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Frrgeddaboutit. Facts are against the rules.

          • James Bagley says:

            It’s all Obama’s doing. He is the President, and the US became the largest energy producer under the Obama Administration. Not Sarah Palin, not Mitt Romney, not Newt Gingrich. If it had gone the other way, I know full well you would be happy to hand Obama the blame. Presidents get the credit for America’s progress during their administration. He certainly didn’t stop it from happening, did he?

            It’s really no different from Obama’s successful raid against Osama Bin Laden. Because Obama is black, we get to hear people say ‘Obama didn’t do it’ or ‘It was the SEALS’. Obama did it. It was his call and his job. It was his authority.

            Tell me: What reason do you have for disliking achievements by the Obama Administration? Americans benefit even if Obama is black. So what’s your beef with success?

          • Gary Miles says:

            I really wish I could understand all this BS about Obama’s skin color. It’s such bullshit it just pisses me off to no end. I have no problem with Obama the man, I’d bet he’s a great husband and father. He’s a fantastic orator, one of the best I have ever seen. I don’t dislike Obama for any other reason than his politics, that is all, so can you please put the racist bullshit in your back pocket and keep it there? If a black republican ran and you didn’t like his politics you wouldn’t vote for him or like him in office, now would you? Would that make you a racist then? I would NOT claim so, just so you know, but if a black republican does take the Whitehouse one day all this Racist BS is gonna come back to haunt Liberal’s. What comes around goes around,

            Obama had nothing to do with our oil production, it was already going well long before he took office, and your correct, he didn’t stop it, because he couldn’t. It will be stopped if the oil prices keep going down because fracked oil cost’s to much to extract. I believe I’ve read that anything below 56 a barrel would likely stop any future well drilling. We’ll see on that. Nobody seems quite sure why oil prices are tanking. I’m guessing that the supply is higher than demand and the economic law is that prices fall. OPEC is not slowing production. The US will slow production, it’s an economic fact, if oil goes below 50 for a long period of time. There are people who think this is happening to crush Russia’s economy. Others think Obama colluded with OPEC to hurt Russia and kill the fracking industry as well. I don’t know what the truth is. It’s all speculation.

            I do know that Obama LIED to everyone on numerous occasions. I simply despise liars, it’s nothing more than that. I’m sure you have heard the old saying about the workplace, you can do 99 things right, but the one thing you do wrong is what will be remembered.

          • James Bagley says:

            It isn’t just Obama, but let’s start there. When people dislike somebody’s policies they can simply say so. But when they must do everything in their power to belittle and denigrate somebody at every turn, then it’s personal. Disliking somebody’s policies doesn’t translate into calling Obama a communist, or a Muslim, or a tyrant, or a dictator, etc., etc. Such things display obvious personal hate. Politics doesn’t generate personal hate, but guess what does?

            It’s pretty curious for you to claim that Obama had nothing to do with oil production, and then in the very next breath talk about Obama colluding with OPEC. Obama is the President of this country. If the US sends a man to mars, or invents the Internet, or wins a war, or becomes the biggest energy producer on the planet — Obama gets his share of the credit. That’s just how it works for any executive, and they also get pinned with blame when things go bad.

            You previously said that you know all politicians lie, yet here you are calling out Obama for being a liar as if there was something novel about it. I don’t remember you denigrating any Republican at every turn, despite the fact that some of the biggest lies of this century can be attributed to them. Who can forget the whoppers that got thousands of young Americans killed in Iraq?

          • Gary Miles says:

            I happen to agree with you for the most part. Bush should be in jail and Obama his cell mate (I can add to the list from both side but it would just be a copy and pasted list of mostly the politicians fro the last Century or longer). I wasn’t really into politics till I started researching the Patriot Act. I stayed away from comment sections and blogs till early 08, mostly because I just didn’t have the time. Then I started by just reading, and was really surprised at the political division. More reading, more distaste for politicians. Obama is the top dog, so he is the target. When Bush was up there, he was attacked plenty. I have always held the position that elected officials should have very high character. They don’t, sadly. Obama clearly lied an numerous occasions, directly to mostly his own supporters. Dr. Gruber has made that abundantly clear. Gruber was right about the ACA being written to hide a tax, which it took the Supreme Court to prove it. With that said, it’s Obama’s time. All he had to do was be a man of high character. He wasn’t. His use of the military in Libya really ticked me off. Libya was no threat to the US in any way and using the military was clearly against the law. Just my opinion, but it makes him no worse than Bush. He likes droning people and has joked he is good at it. The next person that gets in the Whitehouse will not be much different than Bush or Obama. He will then get the deserved bashing, regardless of political party. Hope that clarifies things. PEACE and have a great day today!

          • James Bagley says:

            I’m not real happy about the drone program either, and I also dislike the NSA getting carried away with spying on US citizens. That being said, I think that Obama has shown more character by leaps and bounds over Bush, and there is no comparison with Dick Cheney, who I believe was the real problem behind the Bush Administration. Dick Cheney will have to be careful about ever leaving the US because getting arrested and prosecuted for war crimes a a very real possibility for him.

            I don’t think that Obama lies any more than any other politician, and Gruber was just a dog and pony show that didn’t amount to much of anything. Obama haters will beat this horse to death because they don’t have much else to do. Anything that Obama did with the health care act was done by Mitt Romney first in Massachusetts. The fact that you hear people squealing to high heaven about Obama’s health law who never uttered a peep about Romney’s law tells you that it isn’t about the health care law at all.

            I’ve been around a long time, and I can tell you that no other President was ever subjected to so much scorn, hate, and obstructionism. Despite all of this he has prevailed through 2 presidential elections, and the constant and ridiculous opposition to anything he does simply freed him up to act unilaterally in his final 2 years. After the last 6 years Americans will give him a pass on executive action, just like they did with the immigration issue. So his opponents shot their own feet clean off by behaving so badly.

          • Gary Miles says:

            For the most part I do agree with you, but not all, which is cool. One statement you made stood out to me, so let me quote you: ” After the last 6 years Americans will give him a pass on executive action, just like they did with the immigration issue.”

            What you are asking for is a dictatorship! Here’s is a small problem that I have with dictatorships, they are anti freedom. But to be fair, when another lying politician becomes the next dictator and YOU don’t like his dictations, what are you going to do? NOTHING! because YOU allowed it to begin and now it is what we have to deal with in the future. I do not speak out against Obama because he is black, I speak out because of his politics, just as I have with Bush and Cheney, and I agree with you assessment of both, except Bush should be in jail too.

            Many states are suing over the immigration issue. What the House did today is an illusion and going nowhere. Back to the States court case. Here’s what the Administration lawyers are saying ” The administration claims the policy is “challengeable by no plaintiff, reviewable by no court, and subject to no public input,” lawyers for the states said in an 88-page filing.”

            No disrespect intended, but you are supporting a tyrannical monster. This is not what the US is all about. ALL elected officials are subject to public input and judicial action. If that has changed, which it has, we now live under a dictatorship, not a Constitutional Republic. What you may not understand is this may cause much bigger problems in the future. Remember what I said above, because the next dictator may not be on your side.

          • James Bagley says:

            You’re getting a little carried away with the ‘dictator’ talk. In the US a President is only in office for 4 years, and a maximum of 8 years if he/she is re-elected. Real dictators don’t just go away after 4 years — they have to be removed by force.

            If having one’s way with national policy is your idea of a dictatorship, then you must see all American Presidents as mini-dictators who are kind enough to go away after 4 years, because that’s the way it has worked for over two centuries now. Of course, it’s not a dictatorship at all, and claiming that it is only makes it appear that you either a) exaggerate greatly, or b) have a tenuous grip on reality. A real dictator would have long ago rounded up opponents like John Boehner, Mitch McConnell and all of the Tea Party extremists and locked them up in jail or worse.

            The GOP Congress has no court case with any merit. In order to be heard by the court system, you have to first prove that you have suffered damages. Congress has suffered no damages, rather, they are just angry because Obama continues to move forward with his policies no matter what wacky or obstructionist plan they try to stop him. The courts do not get involved with purely political issues, and this is a political issue. The courts will simply say that Congress has the ability to fix the issue themselves, and they do, so the cases will not go very far. Wait and see.

          • Gary Miles says:

            LMAO! I don’t use the term dictator lightly, but use it within it’s text concerning Obama’s actions. He’s still got 2 years, and NO, he can’t just do what he wants, it’s not the way a Constitutional Republic works. I really don’t care if he likes that or not, it’s NOT the way the country should be governed. Then again, we are no longer actually governed as most American’s now have been forced to purchase a product. This comes from the Federal Government, not the States. This isn’t being governed, it’s being ruled. This is what a vast amount of those on the Left cheered for. This is a very dangerous precedent and it will come back to haunt those who cheered the ACA passage.

            To give an example, when the other clan controls Congress and the Whitehouse, they may decide that EVERYONE must have a firearm to protect themselves and their family. It’s passed by just the one clan in power and is signed into law in a really nice signing ceremony. (this law would only apply to those of age and can legally own a gun under current law. to clarify, so you don’t think I’m crazy enough to want the mentally ill or violent felon’s to have guns.) The penalty for disobeying this law will be a graduating penalty, like the ACA, except it won’t be a monetary penalty, it will be a jail penalty. Use your imagination from there as it’s only an example an will not likely happen (the last thing a ruling government wants is an armed citizenry).

            If the gun example isn’t a good one, pick any subject that you may object too. When I mentioned the law suit, it is not Congress that I was speaking, it was over 30 States, and the suit is taking place in a Federal Court in Texas. They can show damages as they will brunt the cost of Obama’s immigration dictate. If I’m not mistaken, my memory (which isn’t very well at times) say’s that Reagan did something similar. I will do some research and see how the clan’s reacted to his actions. I dislike both clans (Republicrats and Demublicans).

            My message is by no means intended to be argumentative. But a warning of sorts. Obama didn’t start what I’m talking about, dictatorship like actions. While I’m not going to make the comparison between individuals, the Nazi party and Hitler came to power via voters. No, I don’t think that the Democrats or Obama are any where near them in there actions. I also think both clans are leading the country down the same path, despite what they say. I look at the Patriot Act as an example.

            On a note on your chart comments. You are correct. I should have said it’s as low as 1978, versus record low and it has been slowly dropping since 2000, mainly due to the loss of manufacturing going overseas (We can thank Bush 1 and Clinton for that). But the severity of the drop since 09 is telling, and in my opinion it will be a major reason the R clan will win the Whitehouse. Just my little old opinion!

          • James Bagley says:

            Well, the gun example isn’t really a very good one for a couple of reasons. First, a firearm is a weapon — health insurance isn’t. Second, your neighbor won’t have to pay anything if you decide to do without a gun, but if you decide to remain uninsured he will be forced to pay for your treatment if you wind up in an accident or come down with a serious illness.

            Forcing people to purchase insurance is nothing new. Everybody who drives a car must have insurance. Many entrepreneurs must purchase liability insurance by law. Most businesses must carry workers compensation insurance. Businesses need to pay unemployment insurance taxes, and while it’s not a requirement to purchase a private insurance policy directly from a commercial carrier, it is still insurance. Some locations require businesses to carry disability insurance for their employees. There are many more insurance requirements in different locations, but I think that’s enough to make my point.

            Having said the above, it’s very telling indeed that none of the loud protests against Obama’s health care law were heard when Mitt Romney implemented the very same type of law in Massachusetts. What this means is that those people don’t oppose the law itself — they just oppose Obama.

            I’m glad that you recognize the fact that Congress has no legal standing to sue the Obama Administration over the health reform laws. But they are determined to waste the taxpayers’ time and money anyway, similar to all of the time and money wasted on votes to repeal the law. What is it up to now — $75 million? It won’t go very far, of course.

            With the states it is a different story, but not the story you seem to believe it is. In order for a state to prove damages by Obama’s executive action, the court would have to be convinced that allowing people who are already living in that state to legally pay their taxes will somehow hurt the state. That’s a silly argument, of course, and an argument that the state will somehow incur new costs is equally silly — they are already living in the state. Since the executive action doesn’t allow new immigrants to apply, that particular argument cannot be successfully used. Remember that Obama is also an attorney who was trained at Columbia University and Harvard Law School, so he actually knows what he’s doing in this respect.

            Finally, with respect to the participation rate, it declined pretty steadily between 2000 and 2004 — about the same rate of decline as under Obama — with a period between 2005 and 2008 where it stayed level, and then started declining again during Bush’s last year. It’s been expected to decline with the baby boomer retirement for quite some time and doesn’t surprise economists at all. The participation rate has very little to do with the Obama Administration at all, and people only bring it up because they are grasping at straws for thing to blame on Obama.

            Regarding winning the White House in 2016, we heard all of the same predictions after the 2010 midterms and we all know know what happened. Whatever Obama’s approval rate is at any given time, you can be sure the the GOP Congress’s approval rate is far lower. That’s a fact, and it’s been true for years now. Successfully governing is very different from obstructing and weaving ridiculous conspiracy theories, and Republicans have not convinced the American public that they are capable of governing. I don’t think they’ve started down a very promising path for this new Congress, and now they’re even talking about Mitt Romney running again!

          • Gary Miles says:

            Good Morning James, I’m going to take each of your statements part by part, so please bare with me. You first stated: ” but if you decide to remain uninsured he will be forced to pay for your treatment if you wind up in an accident or come down with a serious illness.”

            This is mostly Left Wing talking point BS. First prior to the ACA, many hospitals provided millions in charity care, Secondly, being forced into the ACA IS BEING FORCED TO PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLES HEALTHCARE. That is how a redistribution scheme works. STRIKE ONE!

            Forcing people to purchase insurance is nothing new. Everybody who drives a car must have insurance. UNDER State laws, not Federal law, of which I was clear in referring too.

            “Most businesses must carry workers compensation insurance. Businesses need to pay unemployment insurance taxes,”

            Wait a minute, isn’t it your clan that don’t want business’s treated like people? Not to mention that Workers comp is a State law, as was Unemployment. I say “was” because that changed after the Great recession began and unemployment was extended under Federal Law. Employers now pay BOTH a State and a Federal unemployment tax (at least in those States that accepted the extension, I would have to look that up). Notice I said tax. Back to the business issue and their requirements. I have never mentioned anything beyond individual requirements. Your playing silly work games . Your barking up the wrong tree with those games.

            “I’m glad that you recognize the fact that Congress has no legal standing to sue the Obama Administration over the health reform laws.” Don’t be too glad because I never said such a thing. I was discussing the immigration policy ONLY and was also clear on that. The States are dealing with that case and have every right to a judicial review of the matter. For the administration to claim otherwise, as I commented above, is tyrannical BS. As far as the ACA issue, for Obama’s 30 or so delay’s that he ordered, it’s not within his powers to make any “change” an I any law. I would have impeached him, but, I’m not Congress. Strike Two.

            I’ll let you research why States are suing. Your reasoning lacks no understanding of the case, so no sense in getting into that discussion.

            “Having said the above, it’s very telling indeed that none of the loud protests against Obama’s health care law were heard when Mitt Romney implemented the very same type of law in Massachusetts. What this means is that those people don’t oppose the law itself — they just oppose Obama.” Total Strawman argument as it was a State issue affecting only Massachusetts. The rest of the nation has no say in the matter and few even knew about it. Even fewer cared. But, it failed to control costs anyway, which is exactly how the ACA will play out, as it has no cost controls in the Law. Strike Three!

            Do me a favor. Try being correct when claiming that I said something. When you claim that and it is untrue, you lose credibility. When discussing an issue that involves individual actions, claiming anything else is disingenuous and is also hypocritical to apply the actions of corporations as equal to individual when you likely screamed bloody murder over the Hobby Lobby case and the case about campaign funding (I actually agree with your clan on that one). Let’s keep things genuine as much as possible.

            I did some research on retirements for another conversation I was having on another blog. Retirements, at least those who reached Medicare age (I’m still working on this research), which both my parents have and were auto enrolled into the Medicare system, even if they didn’t retire. So I looked back to 2002 to 2012 and found that 8.6 million were added to the Medicare rolls. The average grew slightly from 2008 to 2012 to just over 1.2 million a year. This number didn’t likely affect the Labor Force numbers as children turning 16 would offset this number by a considerable number. Still hunting for that number. As you have noted, there has been a decline in the workforce since 2000, which I attribute to the loss of manufacturing plants and business’s to overseas markets, which your clan pounded Bush over. It wasn’t Bush 2, it was Bush 1 and Clinton who got that ball rolling with NAFTA. It really began to take hold in 2000, under Clinton and continued. It’s continuing as we speak. But, it still don’t explain the steep decline form 2009 to present. It’s not an exceptionally large influx of newly retired either, as I have explained. I don’t blame Obama for this, I more look at the overall Democratic policies as being a PART of the problem. There are other parts, like NAFTA, that could have been repealed. However, in all fairness, the Republicans aren’t any better and we would all be better off without government interference. That’s another subject for another day! PEACE!

          • James Bagley says:

            Let’s start with your last point first. The baby boomer generation is the largest single generation in modern history, and when they started entering the workforce en masse the labor participation rate understandably started climbing. But even a little before the boomer generation reached adulthood, there was a sizable increase in women entering the workforce. So starting in the early 1960s with women, and then accelerating with the baby boomers, the labor participation rate rose quickly during the late 1970s and 1980s. It began to slow in the 1990s as the oldest part of the boomer generation began to reach retirement age. Sometime in the late 1990s it stopped climbing, and by 2000 it was accelerating downward as more and more boomers reached retirement age.

            I don’t know if you are getting your ‘facts’ from Fox News or WND, but more than 50% of the decline since 2007 in the labor force participation rate is due to retiring baby boomers. Labor participation rates have very little to do with either the economy or unemployment rates. Unemployed people are still counted as part of the work force, and economists note that a large part of the decline that is not related to retirement is actually the decline in the number of women entering the workforce. Large numbers of women are deciding to either stay in school longer or stay at home — in stark contrast with the previous few generations.

            None of this participation rate phenomena has anything at all to do with Obama. It’s a favorite talking point for people who have watched all of their gloom and doom predictions about Obama killing jobs and the economy fall one by one, and since Obama has beaten all of the Republican promises of how well they would do if elected, they just don’t have much left to work with.

            As for unemployment insurance, this has been a federal-state set of laws since the Federal Unemployment Tax Act was passed in 1935. It is a jointly administered federal-state program. There are lots of federal-state joint programs, and Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid also fall into this category. The new health laws are also administered at the state level in many states, although many have refused out of political hackery, which they are going to reverse rather quickly as the political cost of intentionally harming constituents comes due at the polls (It’s already starting to happen, like in Arizona). It doesn’t really matter that much whether it’s administered at the state level, the federal level, or both.

            Health care reform in Massachusetts was designed to ensure that residents were covered by health insurance, and now they are. I believe the coverage rate for children and seniors is very close to 100%. That was the primary goal, and nobody in Massachusetts — even Republicans — is suggesting that it be repealed. But my point here wasn’t about how successful the program is or isn’t. My point was about the fact that the same people who make all the noise about Obamacare don’t have a thing to say about Romneycare. That’s because it’s not about the law at all, rather, it’s about hating Obama but using the law as an excuse because the truth is pretty unsavory. People know when somebody is using a phoney reason for opposing somebody they hate for a socially unacceptable reason that they would rather remain hidden, so these types of arguments don’t fool anyone.

            Finally, it’s good that you choose to shy away from debating the legal challenges against either the health law or Obama’s executive action on immigration, because it’s clear that you know less about the legal issues than I do. These legal challenges are mostly a nuisance, and they don’t really stand much of a chance in a court of law. The hope, of course, is that the GOP plaintiffs will be able to find a couple of activist (or racist) judges who also hate Obama and are willing to subvert justice for political purposes. While they might find one or two such judges, none of these cases will be successful in the long run.

          • TZToronto says:

            If Republicans blamed President Obama for high gasoline prices, they have a duty to praise him for lowering those prices. Of course, they’ll say that he was responsible for the high prices but market forces are the reason for falling prices. Folks, you can’t suck and blow at the same time.

          • hicusdicus says:

            You have got to be kidding.

        • highpckts says:

          Are you reading the same news as the rest of us or are you purposely ignorant? 25,000 new jobs in one month, Obamacare is far from a disaster, debt we will always have just less under this President, 75 cent gas tax in CA, not everywhere! Geezus don’t you get tired of picking and choosing your fun facts!!

      • hicusdicus says:

        Fracking and the pipeline scared the Saudi’s so much they increased production to drive down the price of oil. If you want to invest in the stock market be my guest.

      • idamag says:

        Remember when they were blaming Obama because gasoline was $4 a gallon?

    • highpckts says:

      A disaster? Please site some facts that prove this adminstration has been a failure? I don’t mean what has effected your wallet or your job but the nation as a whole! You either are blind to facts or too self centered to notice!

      • Gary Miles says:

        Good Day! I think I may be able to try and explain something odd about some of the stuff we’re being told by the Fed’s and the media. I’ll use the recent unemployment rate and then you see if you can figure out the math they use to come to the most recent figure. I will use actual numbers that the Feds released WITH the unemployment rate. I’m gong to guess these were not made to visible to most people and talked little about, and I think you will see why in a moment.

        There are 248,844,000 noninstitutional people in the US. These are who people can work. There are 156,397,000 people employed which equal’s a 62.8% labor force participation. That’s an important fact that people fail to see what it really means. The 62.8% number is now as low as it was at it’s lowest point since Feb 1978 (yes, that’s Carter’s Administration). 232,000 people found jobs, what is more disturbing is that the people not in the labor force, rose to a new record high, increasing by 315,000 to 92.6 million. Yet the unemployment rate went down. REALLY? The math isn’t adding up and it’s not supposed to. It’s an illusion, just like the rate of inflation, which don’t account for food prices. Have you noticed the price of beef and pork the last 4 years? I have because I buy direct from the farmer. in 2010, ground beef was 2.75 a lb. Today it’s 4.00 a lb. The cost of buying live beef cattle has risen 10 fold since 2010. I could go on, but I’m sure you get my point. Things are not what they claim. My question to you is simple, if 232,000 jobs were found and another 315,000 people left the workforce, just exactly how does the unemployment number go down?

          • bobnstuff says:

            I’ve been telling you to go here for days. Did you catch the way the graft is set up to make the drop more impressive? 3.7% is the differences over 10 years but the graft would make you think it was much bigger. The G6 numbers reflect those that
            fact. Here’s a question, is the participation rate because there are no jobs or are they like in my household because my wife doesn’t need
            to work anymore. Has the economy improved enough that people can stay home and raise kids instead of putting them in daycare. Believe it or
            not but there are still traditional families out there who think that raising children and creating a home is worth while. I once saw a number that said 30% of women do not return to the work force after
            they have children. Maybe that 66.3% number was a bad thing and the lower number is a sign that family values are coming back. That’s the
            problem with raw numbers, they can mean many things.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Graphs and charts don’t sign paychecks.

          • bobnstuff says:

            In sales a well made graph can make money.

          • hicusdicus says:

            It makes money for the people who set it up. Thank you, my wife has not laughed this much since our honeymoon.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Thank you for that comment my wife has not laughed that much since our honeymoon.

          • Faraday_Cat says:

            You should go on, because I don’t get your point. The graph shows unemployment going down, based on the data and analysis that BLM did…so the graph you shared disproves your assertion, unless you were trying to say that graph was wrong, in which case you did a poor job because I don’t see that point in your previous post.
            “The math isn’t adding up”…is that because you don’t know what an addition sign does to the numbers on either side of it, or because you choose not to believe it?
            And by the way, your beef example is really bad because inflation adds 25 cents (between the years you cited) and the remainder of the dollar difference can be attributed to a hundred different things based on locality (or personality even, in your example…you buy direct, maybe the “farmer” has decided he doesn’t like you and is only charging you higher prices…).

          • Gary Miles says:

            Of course you don’t get my point. Nothing personal but you are an economic illiterate. The last time this chart was at this level was under the Carter administration. It dropped then because that was when the steel mill closures were occurring, which turned areas into what now is called the “rust belt”. The math isn’t adding up because the government don’t want the people to know the truth. If people would pull their heads out of their asses and see how the government is lying and screwing them, the go David, good day to you as well! I simply and correctly answered a question asked of me and provided factual information with a link to those facts. That link is the BLS, our government. That’s not any type of “Wing” site, just your government. However, I’m sure I can go back and find that Romney was right on many fronts. For now, I’ll just leave you with the truth. Government would be replaced (which really does need to happen, but not through use of violence). The farmer is a great friend and I get a discount, others pay the going price. Bacon went from 5.88 a lb to 6.78 a lb in one year. But that’s really not the point of that part of the subject, the point was that the government DON’T use food prices in their inflation reports. That’s the point.

            The chart shows exactly what it shows, millions of jobs have been lost. WTF do you really need to get this?

          • James Bagley says:

            It did not drop under the Carter Administration. It was rising because of the baby boomers entering the workforce in large numbers. For the record, the labor participation rate all through the 1950s and 1960s was under 60% — much lower than now. And the current decline was both predicted for years as the boomers reached retirement age, and started in 2000 — a full 9 years before Obama even entered office.

            You should do more research before you post on this topic, because you are just plain wrong and there are mountains of statistics to prove it.

        • David L. Allison says:

          Figures don’t lie but liars figure. You demonstrate the truth of that very old saying.

          Your anti democratic bias (small d democratic) and selfishness is reflected in all of your posts here and elsewhere.

          The topic is Romney. The truth is that the things that Romney said would happen if Obama were elected, have not happened.

          The backstory economic lessons on levels of employment and wages you would teach us are and have been evident to all for multiple administrations.

          Of course, if you change the ruler, you can change the measurement but that does not change the truth. Many of us are on to you and yours and know not to take your fantasy economics and “analyses” seriously.

          • Gary Miles says:

            David, good day to you as well! I simply and correctly answered a question asked of me and provided factual information with a link to those facts. That link is the BLS, our government. That’s not any type of “Wing” site, just your government. However, I’m sure I can go back and find that Romney was right on many fronts. For now, I’ll just leave you with the truth.

      • hicusdicus says:

        Popularity polls.

    • TZToronto says:

      I won’t argue about Bugs Bunny’s electoral chances, but I think he’s a Democrat.

  4. Grannysmovin says:

    Same old story – different chapter.

  5. manderso says:

    Please someone, give this guy something else to do.

  6. FT66 says:

    Recycling has never been good, especially when you keep bringing the same person for almost two decades without any success, in this case Mitt Romney. Is GOP trying to make history in such a manner?

    • itsfun says:

      worked for Nixon. To bad he was a crook. Reminds me of the crooked wh we have now.

      • whodatbob says:

        Lets hear it for Tricky Dickey!

        • TZToronto says:

          Based on the past 14 years of Republicans, Tricky Dick looks good by comparison. What he and his pals did to sink McGovern are pretty much legal now.

      • highpckts says:

        Obama is a crook because?? Site sources and facts from reputable sites!

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          Facts ? They operate on fear and feelings. It’s why they are oblivious to facts.
          It why Fox can feed them what they already know they will agree with.

        • hicusdicus says:

          The only thing we know for sure is that our dear leader is a half assed white man. Just wait until the black folks figure this out.

        • idamag says:

          The worst criminal in American history is the torturers and liars and war-mongers. Bueh, cheney, and rummy have been tried and found guilty in absentia in two countries – Norway and Malaysia. Several other countries have warrants for their arrest and will arrest them if they enter those countries. So, they are convicted war criminals and acceptable because of the “R”?

      • highpckts says:

        I’m waiting!!

      • bobnstuff says:

        To bad he hired fools who got caught. Had there been no Watergate he would been seen very differently by history.

  7. Joseph Kelsall says:

    It doesn’t matter who the Republicans field, they are not going to win. Any turkey will do.

    • joe schmo says:

      You run Warren and I really don’t think you will win. We don’t need another Obummer. She will be a turn off for moderates…..

      • bobnstuff says:

        The democrats could run a dead horse and beat this field. To be right enough to get past the Tea Party they can never get enough moderates to win the general election. Once again the Tea Party will sink the republicans.

        • Gary Miles says:

          Howdy Bob, I think the Tea Party interest has dropped significantly since it began after Obama was elected. A lot of those I know have basically given up of trying to fix the government. They are no longer voting in Federal elections, they are focused on local and State elections. Some will still be involved but nothing near what it was in 2010. The last election said tons about how people are feeling. Voter numbers were way down. That IMHO says that A: people are tired of the Fed’s B: the Democrats didn’t show up, maybe for the same reason or they don’t see the policies equating to anything they desire. AS I have said before, they’re (politicians in DC) all on the same team, just wear different colored shirts. It’s like pro wrestling, as an example, they fight like hell when the camera’s are on, then go have cocktail’s and laugh at all the people who fall for it.

          • TZToronto says:

            The young voters, who tend to lean to the left, don’t think non-Presidential elections are worth bothering with. Of course, they’re wrong, but their not voting has negative consequences for them. They’ll come back in 2016, and they won’t vote for the guy who wants to increase their college loans and keep them from getting jobs when they graduate (read as “any Republican”).

          • Gary Miles says:

            Interesting fact that you should know that destroys what you believe. The government released the employment numbers for 2014. The Labor Force Participation Rate is now at 62.8% . This ties the record low in March 1978 (Carter Administration). Taking into account the population increase since 1978, one can easily see that under Obama, there are now more people out of work than any time in history (I have to check the Great Depression numbers, but I’m sure the numbers are less). Go look at their numbers and do the math. Sorry, but the belief that Democrats are job providers when controlling the Whitehouse is a complete laugher.

          • Gary Miles says:

            http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
            Note that it has been dropping during Obama’s entire Presidency.

          • TZToronto says:

            A good chunk of the drop in the rate is due to simply to workers getting old and leaving the work force. It’s called the “Baby Boom,” in case you haven’t heard. Yes, about 0.5% of the drop is due to discouraged workers who can’t find work and are no longer looking. This is what happens after a severe depression (which was not caused by President Obama, by the way). In any case, as the population continues to age, more and more people will stop working, and the Labor Force Participation Rate will probably continue to decline. This does not mean, however, that fewer people are working, only that employment doesn’t necessarily keep pace with population increases. You may not have heard the news, but jobs gains have been outstripping job losses for some time now since President Obama took office in 2009. So the LFPR is not something that is (1) easy to interpret or (2) supportive of your contention that President Obama is the cause of its decline.

          • Gary Miles says:

            Sorry my friend, you know very little about economics and this very important number. These state only consider the noninstitutional population. No children and no one of retirement age (what ever the SS says it is). These numbers are now equal to the Carter years. The Carter years sucked economically. Look at when the drop started, mid 2009. The great recession started in 2008. These numbers are a huge part as to why Reagan was elected.

          • Faraday_Cat says:

            I think you are the one who doesn’t understand…if the population you are touting were 100% employed, that would likely mean that hundreds of thousands who don’t need to work are working (like stay at home parent, high one income households, lottery winners, etc.). That includes people like religious volunteers who have either shunned money or have enough from inheritance, etc…you want them to find a regular job instead? “Noninstitutional population” really doesn’t matter much if you’re not going to look at the reasons behind the percentage, and more than that, it doesn’t matter at all if the employment numbers get better when you compare apples to apples, instead of apples to oranges.

          • James Bagley says:

            The decline started in 2000 — not 2009. Do some research before making silly claims that are easily dis-proven.

          • hicusdicus says:

            After reading your comment I recommend you start writing children books.

          • bobnstuff says:

            Does that mean the there are more stay at home mom’s raising kids and more people in college? What is the percentage of the drop?

          • TZToronto says:

            I suppose that full Labor Force Participation would require children in the coal mines.

          • hicusdicus says:

            They are short so they can dig in the smaller tunnels.They can work for pennies and be fed peanuts.

          • James Bagley says:

            A 62.8% participation rate is not a ‘record low’. The participation rate was below 60% all through the 1950s and 1960s. It only got up as high as it did in the 1980s and 1990s because of the baby boomer demographics. The current decline started long before Obama took office (2000), and has been predicted for a long time.

            You need to do better research. The numbers are readily available and disagree with your claims.

          • bobnstuff says:

            You are right the Tea Party as it started out is dead but people keep using the name because the
            Gullibility Party doesn’t sound so good. They also don’t seem to respond well to RWNJ so they still use Tea Party.

        • David L. Allison says:

          We need to be careful of overconfidence.

          We do have a majority of state legislatures and governors and a supreme court along with a majority of state courts that are all controlled by Republicans. They are the ones who determine who really can or cannot vote. They are the ones who control the voting machines and the voting process.

          IMO, if we are going to win in 2016 we have to have strong policies favoring the middle class, minimum wage increases, freedom from ridiculous drug wars and similar populist positions. And, of course, candidates who will support those policies.

          • joe schmo says:

            WRONG. Soros controls the voting machines. Just another American institution outsourced. To Spain, no less…

            The middle class is getting leary of both sides particularly the Democrats who have only sent them further down into the drink.

            Where have you been?…The minimum wage has already been increased in many states. Obviously you are one of those individuals from that God-forsaken baneful period in history that left your brain unhinged and dehydrated from too many doobies.

      • highpckts says:

        Really? Your disrespect is amazing and we certainly don’t need another GOP trickle down theory guy who will run this country into the ground!

      • David L. Allison says:

        Now, now. She might be a turn off for the neoliberals and DLC, the bankers and Wall Street but not for the moderates. Please do not confuse status quo corporate control with moderation. It has devolved into oligarchy the opposition to which is almost universally decried.

      • Carolyn1520 says:

        Intelligence is a drawback in the rightwing bubble.

    • itsfun says:

      They did just terrible in the last election. Who is in charge of both the House and Senate now?

  8. atc333 says:

    Deja Vu — “Magic Mitt 2.0” . Apparently Republicans still consider him to be a “job Creator” for America.

    • joe schmo says:

      Well, hate to tell you. He was right on many fronts:)

      • atc333 says:

        Such as? List them please, While you are coming up with that list, consider what Obama has accomplished, doubling all major economic indicators since 2008, despite GOP block and stall for 6 years. Why don’t you consider what could have been done with a real desire to rebuild our Nation, instead of attempting to implement Limbaugh’s “Hope he fails”, and McConnell’s “make Obama a one term president”. which is exactly what the GOP has attempted to do.

        It is not about what is best for this Nation or its people, it is only about the GOP attaining and keeping power at any cost.

        • joe schmo says:

          Well, I kind of hate to say this but. 48% of Americans believed that the economy was the number one reason for our problems. 28% said that was not the case = why the election turned out the way it did.

          U.S. Economic Growth is Just an Illusion
          Article November 6, 2014

          “Why did people appear so angry and unhappy when the stock market was at record levels, the unemployment rate is down sharply, inflation is
          subdued and the number of jobs is increasing?”

          Harwood’s explanation was that the benefits of this economic growth weren’t being evenly distributed and were being felt only by the blessedin the American economy — the upper 1 percent, if you will.

          What Harwood and the rest of the folks who rely solely on Washington’s mainstream thinkers and Wall Street boosters for their information don’t realize is this: The economy isn’t really doing what
          the statistics say it is doing.

          Our nation’s economic statistics are nipped and tucked, massaged, managed, fabricated and dolled up.

          In short, our statistics are wrong and Main Street folks know it.

          Here’s what a Wall Street hedge fund mogul, Paul Singer, head of Elliott Management Corp., told his clients the other day:

          “Nobody can predict how long governments can get away with fake growth, fake money, fake jobs, fake financial stability, fake inflation numbers and fake income growth,” Singer wrote. “When confidence is lost,that loss can be severe, sudden and simultaneous across a number of markets and sectors.”

          -Fake growth: The US economy is growing moderately. The commerce Department claims that growth was at 3.5% when it is actually more like 2.9%. But Singer is probably also referring to the artificially low inflation number that Commerce uses in its GDP calculations. If inflation were measured correctly, GDP growth for all years might be 30 percent lower than reported.

          -Fake money: Singer is referring to the $4 trillion
          in dough the Federal Reserve printed under quantitative easing that has resulted in millions of regular folks not getting much interest income
          and, therefore, they’re cutting back spending. That’s why the economy is weak.

          -Fake jobs: The Labor Department adds hundreds of thousands of jobs a year to its count for positions ithinks, but can’tprove, are being created by new companies. This practice, which has
          gone on for decades, needs to be investigated. On Friday, Labor is expected to report job growth of 230,000 for October. That figure will be boosted by another heaping serving of job guesstimates.

          -Fake financial stability: The artificially low
          interest rates are not only propping up banks and Wall Street profits but also making the US government’s financial position look better than
          reality. If Washington had to pay market rates for the money it borrows, the US budget deficit and debt levels — already excessive — would be
          worse.

          -Fake inflation numbers: Commerce doesn’t only play tricks with the inflation number used to calculate the GDP. It also tamps down the consumer price index — and cheats Social Security
          recipients and others — through academically approved methods like geometric weighting and hedonics.

          …and that is why people are nervous….

          http://nypost.com/2014/11/06/us-economic-growth-is-all-an-illusion/

      • stcroixcarp says:

        Yes, he was right-wing on many fronts. He pretty much flip-flopped on the issues, so if he wasn’t right wing enough today, there was always tomorrow!

      • highpckts says:

        Yes indeed on many fronts! Every town he went to, he changed his rhetoric to fit that towns beliefs! He never directly said ANYTHING about his “plans” except he would undo everything the left did! What an entitled fake!!

      • robertbenefiel@att.net says:

        Yes, it was right on many fronts. He said the auto makers should be allowed to collapse and if you bail them out they will fail. He said that Chrysler Jeeps were leaving Ohio, and even when Chrysler said it was untrue, he kept running the ads. He said let the banks fail, because it would be better for the economy. They have repaid all of their loans. He said let the mortgage market bottom out and let speculators buy the houses from foreclosures. He said repeal and replace health care but I will not tell you what I propose to replace it with. He said let the undocumented aliens self deport but did not say how that would happen. Actually, his suggestions were so far off the mark, I say bring him back for more.

      • Carolyn1520 says:

        Which time? When he first opened his mouth or when he changed his mind?

      • edwardw69 says:

        Sure he was. Chose your “fronts.” He has been on all sides of every front. He tried to be everything to everyone.
        And he wound-up being nothing to anyone.

        • idamag says:

          “These cookies probably came from the 7-11.” 47%. Ah just luv cheesy grits.” Speak in Spanish to Hispanic people. Speaking to people in Britain: You people have a good healthcare system.” I think he meant that one. If he became president, we probably would have a good healthcare system. However, He cannot relate to the 47%.

          5.

        • plc97477 says:

          It looked as though he even used a bottled tan to talk to minorities. He certainly dyed his hair.

  9. Truthblaster says:

    Romney would make a great president and certainly better than the Islamic, Chicago gay bath house lover, Kenyan born, American hating… President Obama. Romney actually won last election but it was stolen by corrupt liberal crooks, illegal voters and rigged voting machines changing Romney votes to Obama all over the country. Romney/ Carson 2016 !!!!!!!!!!

    • Taz202 says:

      Don’t look now “Truthblaster”, but your hate is showing.

    • highpckts says:

      Really?? Can we say your sheets are showinbg?? Wow!!

    • kingartie1 says:

      How do you spell T-R-O-L-L? An acronym for another intellectually and ethically challenged member of The Republican’ts’ Odious Ludicrous Legion.

    • robertbenefiel@att.net says:

      Go for it if you think that is a winning ticket.

    • Carolyn1520 says:

      Oh I hope so. Please run those two.

      • edwardw69 says:

        A Member of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints who Arrived Late, and a Seventh Day Adventist who says only SDA’s will go to Heaven, and as an added bonus, who says that there is no Hell.
        Yeh. That ought to work.
        A match made in Heaven.

      • joe schmo says:

        Well….I wouldn’t be so cock sure of yourself…. Look what just happened and…..the reason Obama wants to let young people get two years of college free. He’s courting the young and innocent base (who the liberals prey on) that are loosing confidence in Democrats:)

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          LOL Yeah the young and innocent just love the GOP.
          By voting age they know who the enemy is and won’t vote against their self interests. Not the intelligent youth anyway.

          • joe schmo says:

            Isn’t that nice the Millennials are turning towards the Conservatives. 2-3 part time jobs. Barely can afford a car and they can’t afford a home. Gee, could it be….they are finally seeing the light.

            Intelligent youth? They sure do know who the enemy is especially when they graduate from college and can’t get a job.

            Liberals love to prey on the innocent and the ignorant. Oh, and let’s not forget the over educated who no longer have any common sense. Oops, guess that would include me. But in my case, education has been a powerful tool. The government prefers to keep its citizens dumb.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            LOL If you are referring to the midterms don’t think it’s a trend that will hold in the general election. Romney thought the 2010 midterms guaranteed him a position too. The 2014 midterms had the lowest number of voters in 70 years. Only 36.4% of the eligible voters even came out..When those who did not vote are taken into account 50% still prefer Democrats and 43% prefer republicans. But you can get excited by only losing by 7% if you choose.
            Turning the facts around doesn’t change the fact that the right will vote against their own self interests regularly. Whether it’s because they don’t like the black guy, they are ruled by their religious beliefs or they are just uninformed, it doesn’t change that it happens The republican party prefers to keep it’s constituents dumb. If they weren’t they wouldn’t still be republicans.
            Talk about jobs all you want. The numbers speak for themselves and they improve every month. Everyone knows the country was hemorrhaging jobs under Bush. and under Obama they have been regained. It’s a lot harder to rebuild an economy than it is to destroy one.
            Furthermore when women vote, Dems win. I guarantee women will be out in force voting in 2016.

          • plc97477 says:

            That is the reason the gotp is trying to do away with public education.

    • stcroixcarp says:

      Wow! you used all the wingnut buzz words in one (kind of) sentence. How smart is that!

    • Independent1 says:

      So you’re really anxious to see America become the first ever Corporate Run Nation on the Planet?? That’s what you’d be seeing today if Snake Oil Salesman Mitt (the world’s biggest pathological liar) had gotten elected in 2012. You’d be bowing to the Koch Bros, instead of them still spending millions trying to influence our elections.

      Mitt had convinced more than a dozen of his corporate donors to intimidate their employees into voting for him by sending out letters saying that if Obama got elected that a bunch of them may be laid off. And believe it or not, the CEOs of GE, Bank of America, Wells Fargo and a number of others actually took him up on it.

      Can you imagine if they’d been successful what the 2016 election would be like?? Man corporations across the nation would be sending out letters threatening to fire folks if they didn’t vote for the 2016 GOP candidate. Mitt would be nothing more today than the equivalent of a corporate ringleader instead of president. Doing every corporations bidding in finagling legislation right and left such they companies across the nation could really be stuffing American peons’ money in their pockets.

      Goodness, isn’t the income inequality bad enough without having another corporate shill in the White House??

      (Note that those little red wedges are most likely what you, me and the other American peons in the 80% of Americans own!!! And keep in mind that the inequality has even gotten worse than shown in these pie charts over the last 4 years!!)

      • joe schmo says:

        So you are anxious to see America go from having freedom to becoming Communist. Who knew?

        Mitt Romney is a businessman. There are times when you need to run the government like a business. I recall that Truman did this and it turned the economy and America around.

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          When your business is venture capitalism, one hopes the same methods won’t be used to run the country.
          When Mitt ran the Olympics, he outspent everyone in US Olympic. But at least he didn’t try to sell them to the highest bidder after he gutted them.

      • idamag says:

        It is already there.

        • Independent1 says:

          I sure can’t disagree with that. But I don’t think it’s quite to the degree it would be today if there’s been a corporate lackey like Romney in the White House the past 2 years.

      • Truthblaster says:

        Your right Obama was a much better option. America is on a great course!

  10. kingartie1 says:

    A front line cast of Romney. Bush. Huckabee. Santorum. Perry. And Paul. Second-stringers Rubio. Christie. Walker. And Carson. OMG! That’s one man short of a Super Blow team. They’ve got the money (and then some) for their own franchise! Perhaps the Kochs can build them a stadium in Omaha, the closest competing team is downriver in Kansas City, maybe even SuperPAC their own airline! Call it Citizens United: the nutbags are tiny, every ticket is one-way, and the buyer is never disclosed! Perry can run the plays he forgets, Santorum will coach the Bible defensive line, Romney can body-slam tackle Bain (named after the villain in the Dark Knight Rises), Huckabee is the guitar rock star at half-time, Bush deletes the “c” from the stadium’s beer brand, and Paul plagiarizes the cheerleaders’ routines. But they need an 11th player. C’mon, mix up the genders, fellas, recruit a woman. I know! Sarah Palin, to draw the opposing libtard players off sides by winking at them!

  11. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    Now, now…you do have to respect how well the GOP bull mastiffs are into recycling..even if it is presidential candidates. Note how righties pitched a bitch about a “Clinton Dynasty” and today, they want a 3rd, count ’em, 3rd Bush Dynasty member to run? As if he has a chance…Padrera and Recarey, Jeb’s “Miami” associates in the early 2000s should remind you of John Ellis Bush’s (JEB) involvement with the two frauds. Padrera went to jail. Recarey high tailed it off to Venezuela…yep..the country righties bitch about…to avoid extradition. Hypocrites of the right…always trying to prove negatives.

    • whodatbob says:

      Eleanore, Way to go good one!

    • hicusdicus says:

      You should write a book about it. That way no one would ever know.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        If I did, you and your slime balls would be the main characters. And, I have written 2 books. Both published. So..STFU you frustrated arm chair political Know it all.

        • hicusdicus says:

          My slime balls…. Elly you have got to keep our intimacy under the covers. I don’t want people to think I like to ride in diesel trucks.

        • idamag says:

          Those trolls probably cannot even sign a check without looking up how to spell their names. They have never added any food for thought to any conversation. Like the bullies, they are, they just call names.

    • idamag says:

      Remember Jebb Bush had Katherine Harris purge 30,000 names from the voter rolls just before the election.

  12. Jimmy Cahill says:

    Us Dems have the same problem. We’re recycling Clinton garbage, she lost in ’08. She is not even close to the best we have to offer, but she will win the Dem nod. No more Clinton, no more Bush, no more Romney. We need to end the Royal Bloodline that runs through DC.

    • Faraday_Cat says:

      We only have the same problem in that our bench is too unknown and inexperienced to win (Warren, for example). So let’s use the Clinton noteriety, and hold the WH while we develop those junior leaders into real contenders (I’m not a huge fan of the dynasty aspect either, but putting Bill anywhere near the reigns of power again sounds pretty good sometimes)

      • Carolyn1520 says:

        Elizabeth Warren is more of a threat to the GOP, Wall St and Koch brothers right where she is. Hillary has the experience and the connections. Plus Bill is a big plus. Whether you like him or hate him or a personal level, he left the country in good shape only to have it ravaged by Bush/ Cheney. Cheney/ Bush. I don’t know if the elected president or the shadow president should be named first. 🙂
        Hillary is more than qualified and it’s time for a woman. Not a Palin or a Bachman. An intelligent woman.

    • David L. Allison says:

      There are viable alternatives to HRC. There are also alternatives to the policies of the DLC, the “triangulations” and HRC. Look at Sanders and his 12 point plan for restoring the middle class and rescuing the poor or Van Hollen’s recent proposal to provide some sanity to the incomes of the 5% top earners and corporate bonuses while giving a financial break to the middle class. These are good beginnings.

      The alternatives of O’Malley, a proven progressive governor, Webb, progressive at least on limiting the never-ending war and the power of the MIC, Sanders who has presented his 12 step system for recovering the economy and the middle class or even Wyden who has fought relentlessly against the secrecy of the TPP and the spying on Americans by the NSA. Grayson has been advocating a progressive agenda in the house, often successfully and could do a hell of a lot better than any of those in the republican clown car.

      There are alternatives but we have to fight for them now till 2016 if we want any of them realized.

      • plc97477 says:

        Unfortunately the alternatives do not yet have the name recognition needed to make a run.

        • David L. Allison says:

          We can fix that. Check out the websites for Bernie Sanders, Martin O’Malley, Jim Webb, Sherrod Brown or Alan Grayson. Take your pick and spread the word. We can also do the same with policies that are based on populist proposals of both right and left.

          Check out Reason.com for their 12 points – I could totally support about 7 or 8 of them. Sanders has a 12 point plan. I could support most of them as well. You might find the same thing. Spread the word.

  13. FireBaron says:

    Republicans apparently like to drive based on their rear view mirror images. Unfortunately, they don’t seem to be able to learn from their own history. However, in this case, they may have a point. Willard Marriott Romney is the only Republican who comes close to Hillary in the polls. I would like to say everyone else comes as a poor second, but those 20+ point leads she enjoys against the rest of them really says something about how deep the GOP bench is.

  14. robertbenefiel@att.net says:

    I think this says less about the Republicans and more about Mitt’s view of himself.

    • Carolyn1520 says:

      I think so too. He has daddy issues and something to prove and Queen Ann thinks it was their turn now. Well she missed that turn so maybe she wants another one.

  15. pmbalele says:

    Wait a minute; you TPs and Repubs. I thought you had zeroed in with Dr.
    Carson as GOP WH nominee! You remember
    in January last year you morons ranked Dr. Carson highest as WH nominee. Are
    you now dumping him because he is Black and anti-guns? That is racism. Now you TPs
    have switched to Romney; but you know he is Mormon and has 24 grandchildren. You
    know Romney will cost tax-payers $1mil a day for upkeep of grandchildren:
    hauling them to schools; secret guards; special food etc. Bush III is a good in
    my books. But you TPs and Repubs hate him because he has a Mexican illegal wife;
    and you don’t want another racial family in the WH. If Dr Carson is out as WH
    contender for his race, then do not tell us you moron TPs and Repubs are not racists.
    We are not dumb to believe that anymore.

    • edwardw69 says:

      Carson got dumped once they realized that he is SDA. The Fundamentalists would vote for a LDS before they would vote for a SDA.

  16. Bob Williams says:

    Clinton again? Really?

    • Carolyn1520 says:

      Another shrub? LMAO

      • hicusdicus says:

        Whats wrong with shrubs they help the environment.

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          Bush didn’t.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Has your bush ever done anything remarkable? Bush was reported to be a very nice person. Have you ever been a nice person?

          • Independent1 says:

            Very nice people don’t start wars based on lies and distortions resulting in over 4,000 Americans dying!

            Very nice people don’t push tax cuts knowing full well they’re going to drive up America’s debt like a rocket sled.

            Very nice people don’t support and encourage torture.

            Very nice people don’t refuse to believe warnings that terrorists are planning attacks on the homeland resulting in 3,000 more Americans dying.

            Very nice people also don’t LIE LIKE YOU DO!!!

          • hicusdicus says:

            If I can’t lie to you why should I talk to you. George Bush never called you names. He was way to nice to stoop to that.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Yawn. Denotes boredom.
            You wear a fedora or is it a trilby , right?

          • hicusdicus says:

            You don’t have to yawn to be boring. When you wake in the morning the boring session starts.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Oh I’m hurt to the quick. I had never been bored in my life until I started reading comments from the arrogant and misanthropic. Now I have to get back to something that doesn’t rot my brain.
            Stay glib. It works for you.

          • hicusdicus says:

            It is the only thing a liberal understands. I think it is a bit to late for you to turn back.

          • hicusdicus says:

            How can you say you have never been bored and read comments on NM.

          • idamag says:

            Bush = Kudzu.

  17. Carolyn1520 says:

    Great I want to see Romney’s tax returns. I want to see if he took the amnesty agreement the IRS offered to those Americans with unreported Swiss bank accounts. If he wants to be president we deserve to know.
    McCain saw his tax returns. He picked Palin as a running mate. I doubt it was for her vast intellect or experience Maybe less baggage?

    • itsfun says:

      I want to see Obama’s college transcripts.

      • Carolyn1520 says:

        Obama was already vetted. His college transcripts were verified. Every other presidential candidate has made multiple years tax returns available for public viewing except Mitt.
        Try again. Something besides the old tired wing nut rhetoric maybe?. Oh that’s right, it’s all you have.

        • itsfun says:

          He has not allowed the public to see his transcripts. You can bet he won’t. They may show he went to college on a foreign student only scholarship.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Tinfoil hat time.

          • itsfun says:

            Where are they if they are so public?

          • edwardw69 says:

            Why do you want to know? He will not be running again. Romney will. Where are the tax returns?

          • itsfun says:

            How do we know if he even graduated if we aren’t allowed to see the transcripts?

          • edwardw69 says:

            So what? Even if everything about him is a lie–and it isn’t–how does that exempt a candidate from revealing his tax returns now? How much did the newly-created populist, Flip Romney, make each year in the past ten, and how much did he pay in taxes? What percentage?

          • itsfun says:

            As long as Romney didn’t break any tax laws as a noted Liberal has done, I don’t care how much money he made. Believe it not, its not illegal to make money in America (yet). However, I am sure he isn’t refusing to pay over 4 million in overdue taxes.

          • Independent1 says:

            When you hide millions of dollars in overseas accounts like Romney, you don’t do that without some ulterior motive – like hiding income from your tax returns. If you really think Mitt Romney had paid anywhere close to 10%-14% of his taxes prior to 2011 – you clearly are ignorant. Mitt wasn’t adamant about not releasing any prior tax returns because he’s not proud of his charitable giving; he’s not wanting anyone to see just how much money he claims to have made in those returns when people today, can add up his incomes from numerous American and foreign sources and see that he grossly understated that income and is guilty of TAX FRAUD.

            Mitt supposedly had a 401K back in 2012 with over 100 million dollars in it. Given that it’s only legal to put in $30,000/yr tax free to a 401k, there is no legal way that anyone could accumulate 100 million in a 401k over a 15 year period LEGALLY!!!

          • idamag says:

            I stopped wasting my time reading these bigots’ posts. They say the same thing over and over. If we are discussing earthquakes, in Japan, they want to bring up their made-up tripe. They are hateful. They are petty gossips, and they are not well educated. Like I said, I would like to see their transcripts.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Is graduating from college a pre requite for being president? Do you even know?
            He graduated from Harvard law school in 1991.and was admitted as a lawyer by the Illinois Supreme Court in the same year.
            Believe it, or not. Who cares?

          • itsfun says:

            If his transcripts show he went to college on a foreign student only scholarship, it would prove he is either a foreigner or he has committed fraud.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Yada yada yada.

          • itsfun says:

            You want to see Romney s tax returns, I want to see who paid for Obama’s college. If it was a foreign student only scholarship, then he either lied to get the scholarship or he is not a natural born citizen.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Okay and those who vetted him for president overlooked the requirements and standards for all presidential candidates. They were “in on it” ?

          • itsfun says:

            you nailed it. thats what happened

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Okay.

          • Independent1 says:

            And when are you going to stop with the clearly racist remarks?? You know full well you wouldn’t be making these nonsense comments if President Obama wasn’t black!!!

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Each presidential candidate released their tax records requested. They are available still for scrutiny but Romney refused and wouldn’t release 2008 or 2009 the years the amnesty agreement would have been relevant. He released 2010 and 2011 eventually. I’d think every citizen would want to know if a presidential candidate had been reporting his off shore income prior to being forced to do so with the option of either a possible felony conviction or taking the amnesty agreement. Not knowing may be good enough for the republicans but it’s not getting by anyone else not then and not in the future.
            Google them. They’re still on line. I’m not doing it for you.

          • itsfun says:

            I don’t care what his tax returns look like. If Al doesn’t have to pay over 4 million in taxes, why would anyone care about Mitt Romney s legal tax returns?

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            You’re a credit to your party.

          • idamag says:

            And an example.

          • itsfun says:

            Gee thanks. Only problem is I don’t have a party I belong to. You would be surprised to learn I actually voted for a Democrat for governor in my state and also a Democrat for the US Senate. I voted Republican for my US Rep, Republican for State Attorney General. Would that make me a independent?

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            I wasn’t referring to any specific political party.
            Stupidity is universal. It just tends to be found in clusters.
            There are no true Independents. It’s an excuse for not being informed enough to commit.

          • itsfun says:

            And you are in charge of defining what a independent is? So if anyone doesn’t agree with you they are stupid? Must be nice to always be right and be in charge of defining political definitions for all of us.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Not at all, but I know uninformed aka stupid when I see it. It’s stupidity when one doesn’t make the effort to find out what goes against their own best interests.
            I wasn’t speaking for everyone but that you trying to make it seem so, is a very republican tactic.
            In terms of anyone agreeing with me, don’t mistake me for someone who cares about that. “Independents” and republicans are the ones who feel the need to travel in packs. 🙂

          • itsfun says:

            Are you not the one that posted there are no true independents?? How do you know how much effort one takes to find out what is going on. Who are you to decide what is against or for my best interest? You make these statements, then say you didn’t mean everyone. You are one acting like you know all.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Yep and I stand by that. Every “independent ” leans one way or the other.
            If one votes for something not in their best interest just because their party subscribes to it, it’s pretty clear they haven’t done the research or they aren’t too bright.
            I never once mentioned you personally but if the shoe fits…
            Another republican tactic, accusing people of being know it alls 🙂

          • itsfun says:

            Have you considered that one is an independent because they do study the issues and the people running for election?

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Yes, I’ve even hoped for it but the vast majority of opinions I’ve read from those who call themselves independents don’t bear that out.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Oh you couldn’t find them?

          • Independent1 says:

            In records held by Harvard and the other educational institutions that Obama attended. There’s no requirement that someone running for president has to whip out and make their college transcripts public. Bush jr. clearly wouldn’t want to; he maintained a mid C average at Yale.

          • itsfun says:

            Just how would you know what grade average Bush had in college. Did he make his transcripts public or did you hack into the records? By the way he is not a jr.

          • Independent1 says:

            Not sure how he made his grades public, my hunch is that some organizations requested his grades from the colleges. See this from NPR:

            Much was made during the past two presidential elections about President George W. Bush’s mediocre grades at Yale. It now turns out that his 2004 opponent Sen. John Kerry had similar grades. The Boston Globe reports that Kerry’s Yale transcript shows he had a cumulative score of 76. President Bush had a score of 77.

          • Independent1 says:

            And by the way, as you can see from this article in FactCheck.Org; Bush’s grades were not released via his approval. Someone leaked them to New Yorker magazine AGAINST his preference.

            Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.

            Maybe you should read this article WHICH DEBUNKS all the fallacious, baseless claims you racist RWNJs like to make:

            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/

          • itsfun says:

            So someone did illegally release the transcripts of Bush. You want to see tax returns, I want to see the transcripts.

          • Independent1 says:

            And it’s not like numerous people haven’t responded to the absolutely baseless claims idiots like you are making. Take a look at this EXPOSE’ from the week and just more of your ilk’s absolutely corrupt nonsense:
            (Biogralpher David Maraniss says: “Obama got a 3.7 GPA at Columbia and graduated magna cum laude” (high grades) at Harvard).

            1. Transcripters want to paint Obama as a dumb, affirmative-action fraud
            In his $20,000 offer for Obama’s transcripts, Bayne lays out his rationale: “We’re not convinced that Barack is as smart as you media elitists keep insisting he is.” The charge that the president got bad grades 30 years ago doesn’t hold water, however: Biographer David Maraniss says Obama got a 3.7 GPA at Columbia and graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law, something you can’t do with bad grades. But unless Obama agrees to release his transcripts, says Nadra Kareem Nittle in Loop 21, these activists can keep on insinuating “that Obama made his way to the Ivy League by way of affirmative action, that he’s just another undeserving minority who played the system.”

            2. Transcripters are obsessed with “vetting” Obama
            The play to shame Obama into releasing his college grades “is nothing more than a pathetically desperate effort to find something, anything that they can use against him in the upcoming election,” says Doug Mataconis at Outside the Beltway. It’s part of the Right’s effort to “vet” Obama, four years after the media made him “one of the most vetted presidential candidates in recent memory.” The whole idea that we don’t know Obama is “simply absurd,” rooted in the fact that extreme conservatives “still cannot accept that he beat them in 2008.”

          • idamag says:

            The lie sounds better to the likes of them.

          • itsfun says:

            Another one of your name calling responses. Name calling is just a weak mind trying to express itself. If Obama’s transcripts are not public, how can David Maraniss know what his GPA was? Besides I don’t really care what his grades were, I want to know who paid for him. If it was a foreign student scholarship he committed fraud or he really is a foreigner.

          • plc97477 says:

            I wonder if Obama is playing the gotp as fools by not jumping at the chance to show his transcripts. It sure is working.

          • Independent1 says:

            He’s not younger than his dad?? You don’t have to have jr after your name in order to be a jr; you only need to be younger.

          • idamag says:

            Actually bush was proud of his “C” average. He told some college kids that it proved you could get “C”s and become president.

          • Independent1 says:

            I guess that’s some accomplishment – huh? Even if you became president with almost 1 million less votes than your opponent and maybe only because your brother finagled the vote in the state he governed and the Supreme Court short circuited a recount which could have proven you actually lost

          • hicusdicus says:

            They are not public they are pubic. You know where the sun don’t shine.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Does that help you think?

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Yawn.

          • Independent1 says:

            These RWNJs prove their childishness with every post they make. They have the minds of the average 6-year old.

          • idamag says:

            I often wonder if they are kids. Kids that were raised in hateful homes.

          • plc97477 says:

            And I think you are giving them more credit than they deserve.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Apparently tinfoil hats makes you sleepy.

          • Gary Miles says:

            You do make me laugh. Short and to the point, LMAO!

          • joe schmo says:

            LOL, yes he definitely has great comebacks. Say ‘hicusdicus’ where did you get your cynicism? Priceless…..

          • hicusdicus says:

            Listening to political speeches and reading liberal comments.

          • Eric Lipps says:

            Nonsense. What would it take to convince you that President Obama was born in the U.S. after all? Never mind—the answer is that nothing ever will. But don’t you think that if evidence that Obama was born abroad existed, Hillary Clinton’s people would have dug it up during the 2008 primaries and used it to knock him down then? Or that if she hadn’t, John McCain would have done so in the general election? Or that if he hadn’t, Romney would have in 2012?

            What they’d be more likely to show is a less than stellar academic record, which would be embarrassing to a president who has made a point of having been a professor of constitutional law. But even that is pure speculaton on my part.

          • hicusdicus says:

            What difference does it make now. He is our leader and we are the lemmings.

          • idamag says:

            Servicemen, deployed overseas, have children born in other countries. They are still citizens of this country as they are born to American Citizens. Cruz was born in Canada. There won’t be any flak, from these low information people, on that.

          • Independent1 says:

            Yes, and even when in reality there is still a question as to whether or not his mother had lived in the U.S. for a 5-year consecutive period past her 14th birthday; which would be a requirement for him to be considered a ‘natural born America’ and qualified to run for the presidency.

          • Independent1 says:

            You prove your ignorance more and more with every unconscionably stupid post you make!! Even if Obama was not born in Hawaii, which he was, because his mother was an American citizen, Barack Obama is a natural born American NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD HE WAS BORN!!

            When are you LITTLE CHILDREN going to wake up to the fact that all a baby has to do is be born as the child OF ONE AMERICAN CITIZEN ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD TO BE A NATURAL BORN AMERICAN CITIZEN AND BE ELIGIBLE TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE USA!!!!!!

            And Barack Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard and at least 3 of his professors have PUBLICLY SAID HE WAS ONE OF THE BRIGHTEST STUDENTS THEY EVER TAUGHT!!!

          • idamag says:

            people, like rocket scientist, itsfun, are not going to see those facts. They already have their story made up and don’t want it changed.

          • plc97477 says:

            Which puts Obama ahead of cruz who was born of a cuban father and canadian mother.

          • hicusdicus says:

            I thought that was a given. Just think, no student loan to pay off.

        • idamag says:

          That is all itsfun has. Probably raised in a rural community that lacked diversity of ideas and people.

      • stcroixcarp says:

        When Scott Walker runs for president make sure you ask to see his transcripts. He had to leave Marquette University because he cheated on a student government election. He never did get a degree.

        • idamag says:

          I’ll bet that itsfun never wrote to Obama and asked for his college transcripts. BTW, you don’t get asked to be on the Harvard Review if you are a mediocre student. It would be verrry interesting to see itsfun’s college transcripts. Or ever his high school GPA.

          • Independent1 says:

            Me too. My guess is itsfun probably flunked out of Junior High.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Is this your idea of polite debate? Making accusations with zero facts.

          • Independent1 says:

            Who said anything about “polite debate”?? I don’t ‘polite debate’ with trolls whose only objective is to denigrate our president. Itsfun has never posted a comment that was not derisive in some way. He’s a clear cut antagonist that is totally undeserving of anything resembling a ‘polite debate”. And to be quite honest, given most of itsfun’s asinine comments I would be hard pressed to believe it ever graduated from high school.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Itsfun has a right to his opinion the same as you. I personal think your president is a shill for big money and power and is quite incompetent as far as governing. In fact most of them are. With each new BS artist we lose a little more freedom. With Obama we have lost a whole lot at one time. Government is way too big an still growing. I don’t think any president of either party is going to make a difference. We are on a train that is picking up speed and the engineers are day dreaming about a pay raise. In time it will derail. Everything the government does is good for the government not for you or me. All that can be done is wait and see who has the most convincing line of BS. Hilary is scarier than Obama. I am already preparing in case she gets elected. If a conservative gets elected who knows? Its going to be the BOHICA syndrome no matter what. Bend over here it comes again.

          • Independent1 says:

            Just like the typical RWNJ you spew just as much total nonsense as itsfun when you’re not just posting snarky remarks. Virtually all of your post is hogwash. So all you trolls succeed on doing on this website, is preventing those of us who are sane enough to actually post non lies, non distortions of the truth and non figments of your imaginations from being able to converse INTELLIGENTLY!!

            Fact is, that the federal government today, is at the smallest level per capita of any time since the Big Depression. There are actually 330,000 less people working for our government today than there were when Reagan left office in 1989 and there are 50 million more people in America for our government to try and serve.

            You like itsfun, are not posting your real opinions because you’re too clueless of the facts to even make them. You are doing nothing but parroting Faux News, Rush Limpbag and every other right-wing wacko. And that’s the last thing we need on a blog site that is intended for INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION!! WHICH YOU RWNJs SIMPLY CAN MAINTAIN – INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION!!!!!!!-

          • hicusdicus says:

            Okay you win. You say the same-thing to every body you don’t like. Its like a computer loop. You are a broken record its like you are reading off a monitor like your hero. and making things up when it flickers. Lets make a deal. I won’t answer your comments and you keep quiet about mine and we can both be happy.

          • Independent1 says:

            Of course I say the same thing because you RWNJs regurgitate the same things you hear from Faux News, Rush Limbag, Glenn Beck, Hannity and on and on. Or you post the idiotic gibberish you get from one of the RWNJ sites like Brietbart. All you are is a bunch of PARROTS ON A LEASH!!

            From what I’ve seen in your posts with Angelsinca, you’re apparently fairly well off. So what are you doing supporting a political party that consistently kills the economy (17 of the 20 recessions and depressions America has suffered through since 1901 were during GOP presidencies (all the depressions); The GOP track record in the stock market is absolutely abysmal (0%overall gain in the market since 1900 compared to 300% gain during Democrat presidencies); the GOP is responsible for more than 95% of America’s current 18 trillion in debt); America’s GDP growth average under Dems is over 4.5% compared to about 2.7% during Republicans. And I could go on and on. A Republican in office is a disaster waiting to happen, they only thing they can possibly be good for is cutting tax rates – is that why you folks with money support this imbeciles??? I have no clue why anyone with money would vote for politicians that are nothing BUT LOSERS!!
            Would you care to clue us in???

            I simply cannot afford to have another Republican in office. Between the Two Bushes, my 401K account lost well over $250,000 which may not seem much to you, but which has made my retirement a lot more stressful than it should be. More idiots in the White House is the last thing us middle class people on retirement need!!!! Get them out of here!!!!!!

          • hicusdicus says:

            I read there was some dispute over his Harvard review business. It sounded like the rules were changed just for him. All I know is what I read which is all anybody on this site can say. I also don’t really care. There is nothing I can do but watch and wait.

  18. Gary Miles says:

    http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

    You folks need some truth in your lives. One major indicator on how well off the people of this country are doing is in this chart. It’s not something your likely to see or hear about on any Left Wing rag (and probably not any Right Wing rag either). While the Obama administration and his whore media wants everyone to believe everything is hunky dory, the facts destroy the BS lies.

    • bobnstuff says:

      Do you understand the chart? Do you know what the drop really was or did you fall into the trap that was set by the people that made it. What was the percentage drop? The chart distorts the facts very nicely. And yes we have been being feed a line by the media. Anytime you see a number in a story go fine where it came from and you will be surprised by how bad the sources are.

      • Gary Miles says:

        The chart is on a federal government website. This is coming directly from the government, no media input, not news site.

        • bobnstuff says:

          I know. If you remember we talked about
          the site three days ago. What they did was intended to save space while still giving the information. The problem is it only show part
          of the facts. There are a bunch of things you can do with grafts that can really effect what the person viewing gets from it. If you want the changes to seem greater make the right hand side taller and only ow part of the scale To make the changes look smaller extend the
          time line or bottom and show 100% of the scale The type of graft
          makes a deference also. The advantage of a university education, it
          sounds better then saying you changed your major 6 times LOL.

        • bobnstuff says:

          I know. If you remember we talked about
          the site three days ago. What they did was intended to save space while still giving the information. The problem is it only show part
          of the facts. There are a bunch of things you can do with grafts that can really effect what the person viewing gets from it. If you want the changes to seem greater make the right hand side taller and only show part of the scale To make the changes look smaller extend the time line or bottom and show 100% of the scale The type of graft makes a deference also. The advantage of a university education, it sounds better then saying you changed your major 6 times LOL.

          • Gary Miles says:

            I have read a report put out by the Feds from 2004 that basically was a prediction of future labor numbers. Been discussing it with another friend. He wants to claim it explains it, except it doesn’t take into account the Great Recession and how it negatively affected upcoming retiree’s after many retirement accounts were crushed. One carpenter from the hospital showed me his paperwork from his 401C retirement account, he lost over 17K. So while we can all ignore the numbers, or we can see them for what the are. This isn’t from a wingy website, as I said. This country is in trouble, economically. The national debt is 18 trillion, which will never be paid, and growing. At some point the fun is going to end, hopefully after I die, but I worry about my kids and grandkids. A lot of people like to call me a RWNJ. Except I’m far Right on some things, far left on some things and center on most things. On the Govt website, government employees are required by law to release accurate information. I don’t think our government employees are going to release info that is not factual and put their jobs and freedom on the line. The IRS incident most assuredly supports that. PEACE

          • bobnstuff says:

            guess I’m lucky, My 401K was never in
            trouble and the worst that happened was low returns. I believe the numbers from the BLS are right and I don’t think the graft was trying
            to hide anything but if you don’t read grafts on a regular bases you could get the wrong idea. I’m a data guy at heart, give me the numbers and I see thing in them, I loved reading P&L’s from my
            business’s. I taught people how to write business plan and still do a little consulting from time to time. I’m not overly worried about the national debt, 40% is owed to itself in special bonds for social security. I tend to look at things through the eyes of a business man but with a social conscience and love of the environment. I get call
            a liberal and a socialist even though I tend to be practical and believe that there are some things the government can do better and some things the market does better. I really don’t care what the label is I just want it to work. What gets me is just how gullible people are, they will believe anything. I have seen people make the most outrages statements believing them to be true. When I ask for sources it’s not me being smart it’s me wanting facts and the truth. I have found you to be truthful in you facts even though we my see thing differently. Back to the main topic, I hope Romney doesn’t run, he would be a very bad president. I work for a Bain Capital company and he is not someone I trust. Brain destroyed the company by ripping of the franchisee.

          • idamag says:

            I lost a lot of money on my 401K during the war criminal years.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Welfare recipients can have a 401K? That must be liberalism at its best.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You should know…most conservatives live off our tax dollars. It’s why the red states all get a return of at least $1.50 for every dollar they pay in taxes and blue states get 65 cents. So Welfare Boy…how about pay your fair share instead of living off blue state taxes?

          • idamag says:

            In red state, Idaho, Idaho receives $1.90 for every dollar they pay in. The good thing about Republicans in Idaho is they are not steeped in hate.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Ah, you apparently haven’t met all the folks in Idaho.
            Don’t trust that because they are smiling at you they don’t want to undermine your freedoms or worse convert you.

          • hicusdicus says:

            I don’t pay taxes. I collect taxes from liberals who don’t know how to work the system. Just think, every time you pay your taxes it is in its own way helping me stay on the internet and annoy you.

          • plc97477 says:

            They also scream about states rights. I think they would be sorry if they got it.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            They only scream about states rights when it’s THEIR states. When it’s all other states, they trample our states rights.

            This is exactly what ND, TX, OK and Alaska are doing in NB and the states that they want to ram Keystone through. They took land in Nebraska, handed it to Canada claiming Keystone being an “interstate” project is federal and can allows these asshat states to take other peoples’ land to use for private profit.

            That is against federal law and they know it. But, they did it anyway. Don’t be surprise when TX blowhards decide it’s time to take the land in your backyard and all they have to do is claim their drilling is “interstate.”

            These jackasses are great at taking but never giving their fair share.

            Slime balls of the right are right on the nose when its for profit. When it comes to our states rights, they pretend there aren’t any.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            This, from their Harvard MBA president who couldn’t see a Sept. 2008 Financial Meltdown coming after 8 years right?

          • Independent1 says:

            Ditto!!!!

          • old_blu says:

            We lost half of our 401 during the Bush fiasco, lucky thing it has rebounded and then some now.
            Thank You Obama.

          • Gary Miles says:

            First, I agree on Romney. Although deep down I believe they are all the same. I have been called RWNJ and all of the typical Left Wing name calling antics. I’m white and don’t like Obama’s politics, somehow that equates to being a racist. I didn’t like Bush’s politics either, wonder what neat name that would result in, LOL. For the record, I won’t like the next person’s politics either, regardless of party. I guess I’m almost an Anarchist when it comes to the Federal govt, but I just don’t go all the way to no government. I do participate in local and State politics. So that screws up the Anarchist ideas, LOL. I’m a conservationist by heart, but won’t let a useless fish get in the way of human activity. I work with local farmers and the State Game Commission to help keep the deer population at a healthy level. It’s not uncommon for the local WCO ask’s to take a deer for a needy family. This is when the needs of people outweigh the laws the politicians have made. I eat very little beef, mostly venison for red meat. Our pork for the spring has been growing since summer and usually will get butchered in April. My overall cost for the pig and butchering is slightly under 2 bucks a pound for everything. Raise my own meat chickens, butchered them in November. All our veggies come from garden or local farm market.

            Just had a delay in typing, dogs apprised us of a critter in the pasture to the south. Turned out to be a rather big red fox. Was hoping for a coyote, but once I was able to get the scope on him, we identified it. I moved into view and sat down. I had a clean 200 yard shot, to bad it wasn’t a coyote. It ran off to the East behind the neighbors farm. It’s fun seeing all the wildlife here. I use my trail cams quite a bit. I’ll average over 500 pictures a week. I get just about everything on camera if it runs these hills. Our black bear population is growing. I’ve seen more last year than I have in years. Saw a big sow with four small cubs in the summer, one was a cinnamon color, quite rare in these parts. I’m rambling, LOL. Have a great day Bob. Best wishes to you and your family.

          • hicusdicus says:

            There are way to many deer. I counted 18 deer in my back yard. As soon as deer seasoned opened they all texted each other and disappeared. I have a small lake and from the flattened grass behind the dam there could be several hundred of them. They lay around all day and plan ways to scare motorists. I don’t kill animals so they are safe here. I threatened to bring in deer hunters but they just ignored me. If they keep this up I will stop feeding them.

          • Gary Miles says:

            DEER TASTE GOOD!

          • hicusdicus says:

            Venison tastes better. $ 30.00 a lb tender loin tastes like it was cooked on the right side of the pearly gates.I also have a small lake packed with catfish. I am a vegetarian except when I have $60.00 for a two pound steak which is not very often. My dogs do love deer meat, cooked or not. Since the deer know I don’t kill things they all congregate here and eat all my shrubs. I have ten dogs who sit and watch them eat. I wonder how dog meat would taste?

    • Independent1 says:

      What you’ve neglected to included in your comment is that

      1) one main reason the labor participation rate hasn’t at least flattened out in the past 2-3 years is because of GOP obstructionism – the GOP’s 23/7 efforts to do everything to inhibit greater job growth by insisting on spending cuts not only at the fed level but also in the states they govern at a time when governments should be spending more – during a recession and its recovery phase, and to even pass one of 2 jobs bills Obama submitted to the House, and

      2) the main reason for the decline in the 1st place is because the Bush Administration, like Coolidge back in the 1930s before the 1929 market crash, had allowed the economy to run amok with very reduced regulations on businesses, and

      3) the population dynamic today is a bit different than back in the 1970s; population grown back in the 70s had started to stagnate as women were getting more into using contraceptives, and there was no Baby Boomer segment in our population as there is today. So the downslide in labor participation rate shown by that BLS graph is actually distorted from what it would have shown back in the 1970s: with the increase in immigrant migration over the past 2 plus decades increasing America’s birthrate, a far greater number of you adults have been entering the job market at time when the GOP allowed the Great Recession to happen.

      While at the same time, Baby Boomers are starting to hit retirement rate at a far faster rate than anything that took place back in the 1970s; and not only that, but Obamacare became effective which has allowed millions of baby boomers to INTENTIONALLY leave the work force early because they no longer need to be concerned about continuing to work just because they need health insurance they previously couldn’t afford which required that they keep working.

      Therefore, the BLS graph is being distorted by a much greater percentage of younger Americans who the BLS considers as being in the ‘workforce’ but have always had a tough time finding
      work the BLS would consider as being actively in the workforce than back in the 1970s; and it includes a far greater number of early retirees from the Baby Boomer generation who wouldn’t take a job now if you gave it to them, people who the BLS still considers being of an age that are ‘in force force’ but really aren’t – a far greater percentage of non working, fake workforce people than ever was possible back in the 1970s.

      Comparing a BLS ‘In the work force graph’ today to the 1970s is like comparing APPLES AND ORANGES.

      • Gary Miles says:

        First, let me just say, nicely, that copy and pasting without providing a link is disingenuous and nothing short of a form of plagiarism. The Author of the article lost me with the Republican obstructionism bullshit, as the Republican House passed over 480 bills that collected dust on Harry Reid’s desk. At that point, the rest is useless left wing psychobabble. Try and find an article that can at least begin with something factual, then plagiarize that.

        • Independent1 says:

          There was no cutting and pasting there. And if you can’t see the GOP obstructionism you’re either lying or you have your head in the sand.

          There were no 480 bills that Harry Reid ‘sat on” in the first place – that’s one of your fabrications. The GOP House spent far too much time investigating fake scandals, wild consipiracy theories and just voting hundreds of times on fake bills, that it knew wouldn’t see the light of day (remember something close to 75 of them were nothing more than the idiots in the House trying to repeal Obamacare and or pass legislaltion that would end up shutting down the government).

          And virtually all those bills Harry sat on were passed because the House HAD INTENTIONALLY included poison pills in them to DO NOTHING BUT KILL TIME WHILE THE ECONOMY STRUGGLED to do nothing but fulfill the deal that 14 treasonous Republicans made on Obama’s inauguration night to SABOTAGE THE AMERICAN ECONOMY!! And Newt the Twit admitted that that meeting DID IN FACT TAKE PLACE.

          It was Mitch McConnell’s use of the fake filibuster almost more times than it had been used since the term filibuster was coined by a politican (I forget which party), back around 1859 (more than 425 uses of the fake filibuster).

          And Mitch actually threatened to use the fake filibuster on a bunch of those bills that you RWNJs claim Reid was sitting on, because like Boehner, he didn’t want a lot of bills passed by the Tea Party idiots in the House to really be made public and by some rare chance actually get passed by the Senate and into the news when Obama vetoed them.

        • kingartie1 says:

          “House passed over 480 bills that collected dust on Harry Reid’s desk.” More Pox News urban legend mystery myth bullshit that steps outside facts and worse, reality. Here are two links which may resolve the issues of your poor data sight and sites and citations. Clearly, you have not bookmarked factcheck.org.

          http://www.factcheck.org/2014/11/boehners-bipartisan-bunk/

          http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/08/40-jobs-bills-john-boehner-claims-house-republicans-passed-create-jobs.html

  19. kingartie1 says:

    Gary Miles We have truth in our lives. We have something that may be even better. Data. And objective analysis. No, you’re right, few live on Easy Street in Paradise USA, and millions have it rough. Little that’s hunky dory. You can thank Citizens United, etc. et al, for that. BTW, I have heard Obama admit many times he is deeply concerned about how difficult it is for many of us. He is not just mouthing words. In any case, I acknowledge the point of view in your snark. It’s not hunky dory — but compared to what and where? Greece? Ukraine? Egypt? Bulgaria? Haiti? 500 million dirt poor souls in India? Syria? All indicators being equal and relative to essential human needs — food and water, law, shelter, transportation, money supply, public assistance, government stability, etc. — I can only say, shove YOUR own BS and COUNT YOUR BLESSINGS.

    • Gary Miles says:

      Thank you for the kind comments. Now let me give you a nice history lesson. This chart is an indicator of the future, as it has only been this low once, 1978. This was near the end of the steel mill closings in the Northeast. This is one reason why Carter didn’t get a second term, economics and his poor foreign policy (Obama is far worse). I like Jimmy Carter, as I was a young Democrat, growing up in a Democrat controlled part of the country where lots of the steel mills closed. Reagan won in a landslide and this chart is one really big part as to why. People vote with their wallets. History is a great indicator of what will happen in the future. Please have a most wonderful evening!

    • hicusdicus says:

      He is not just mouthing words? He is so sincere and and truthful and caring and would not dream of fibbing to the people. Our savior has returned.

    • idamag says:

      Good post!

  20. edwardw69 says:

    Here we go again: flip-flop, flip-flop. “I will never run again.”
    (That sound you hear in the background is shower shoes hitting the tile floor.)

  21. Whatmeworry says:

    What are the Dem’s offering up? And old hag who was previously defeated and has O experience and O accomplishments

    • Carolyn1520 says:

      LMAO Yeah but she’s already ahead of any of the clowns who fall out of the GOP bus. If the election was today she’d win.

      • Whatmeworry says:

        The Repub’s has old hags too, such as Michele Bachman & Sarah Palin and with O experience and accomplishments

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          I don’t consider Hillary Clinton an old hag so wouldn’t even address that asinine remark. Nor is her level of experience or her accomplishments in question. Palin and Bachman are in a class all their own. Fortunately for them, they reached a level of achievement beyond their capabilities because they won among their own kind but wouldn’t stand a chance in prime time.

      • hicusdicus says:

        I wish she would win. Then I could be part of living history. Watching America disintegrate.

        • Carolyn1520 says:

          You almost saw it under Bush.
          Thanks Obama.

          • idamag says:

            These ideologues gloss over the worst criminals in the world – bush and his puppeteer, cheney. Criminals are okay, but Black is not.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            These aren’t ideologues as much as sociopaths. In order to maintain our own mental stability, we always have to constantly see them as they are: They insists and contradict all that we know is common sense. They do not possess a sense of right..only wrong. That’s why they are sociopaths. A sociopath will always try to make evil look good.

          • hicusdicus says:

            A sociopath will always try to make evil look good. Is that why you are always tooting your own horn.

          • Independent1 says:

            Well, look how the Repubs keep voting in one of the biggest fraudsters in government history down there in Florida – Rick Scott. And actually, a guy in Wisconson named Scott Walker. And a guy in New Jersey who runs the state like he was Tony Soprano – Chris Christie. And even Rick Perry down in Texas is being investigated with respect to some underhanded dealings.

            Voting for crooks seems like the thing to do in the GOP these days.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Perry has actually been indicted. Only in a Republican world would someone indicted for corrupt acts be considered a viable candidate for President, or town councilman.

          • Independent1 says:

            You sure have that right. Look at the crooks that the GOP just re-elected into office in 2014: Rick Scott in Florida, Scott Walker in Wisconsin and it’s my sense that Abbott in Texas is a big crook also.

          • plc97477 says:

            Don’t forget michael grimes who ended up quitting because of his crimes.

          • Independent1 says:

            Right! Thanks for the reminder!! I was also forgetting Darrel Issa, who was a convicted felon that the Californian Republicans’ kept voting into the House.

          • plc97477 says:

            Or dog catcher.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Half black. The white half is dangerous. Its a Republican mole.

          • Independent1 says:

            So you’re proud to be a supporter of the American Mafia are you?? The fake politicians who hoodwink millions of people every election into believing they care even one iota for their welfare? Then do everything they possibly can to rob them blind!!

            So you’re really proud of that are you lowlife Conservative?? Whether you’re religious or not, you realize that conservativism is an anathema to God?? And that since the edict Jesus gave us was to think more highly of others than we do of ourselves (be liberal minded), rather than thinking how everything around us affects us first before we consider helping others (being conservative midend); like the rich, which I understand you are, getting into Heaven is going to be harder than getting a camel through the eye of a needle (an impossibility).

            So have you’re little jolly affairs with your witty idiocies – you’ll pay for them. YOU CAN BE SURE OF THAT!!!!!!

          • hicusdicus says:

            I don’t go around looking under bushes.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            I doubt you leave the basement.

          • hicusdicus says:

            When I have bushes in the basement I stay there and tend to them. Would you like to join me at harvest time? You can even bring your own bush.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            LOL I bet you do.

          • hicusdicus says:

            If you are going to be all snippy you can just leave your bush at home Its probably all root bound anyway.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Clean it up. You are not funny or entertaining to anyone but yourself. Your comments are disgusting and Republican at its worst.

          • hicusdicus says:

            You are not a marine you are a wobbly old man who’s life is coming to an end. Nobody cares what you think and if they did, so what! From your profile you are really eaten up with your ego. Try to focus on the fact that you are a nobody like all the rest of us are nobodies. All you need to concern yourself with is will Jesus let you through the pearly gates when the devil is tired of you.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Speak for yourself. That you declare “nobody cares” doesn’t make it so.
            Same for being a nobody. If that’s your self assessment, I respect that and will take you at your word. However, your assessments of others is without merit or knowledge.

          • hicusdicus says:

            You are a nobody or you would not be wasting your short life shooting comments back at me about things you nothing about. Are you and Elianore related? If not you should swap man hating stories. In fact there might be other things you two have in common.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            LMAO Can’t catch what you pitch?

        • Joseph Kelsall says:

          Bush did that.

        • Independent1 says:

          You mean like ‘America disintegrated’ when Bill was office IN for 8 years when America saw the most prosperous economy in its history!!

          That Clinton actually took advantage of the .com situation and created 8 million more jobs in his 8 prosperous years than the total flunky the GOP seems to love, Reagan, who despite being in office during the PC boom (IBM announced its PC that started the PC boom within 6 mos of Reagan taking office); yet Reagan was only able to create 4 million jobs in his 1st term (getting the worst 2nd year approval rating of any president since 1900 – 35%) after Carter had created 10 million jobs in his 4 years. And it was hen the ‘PC Bonanza’ really got rolling that allowed flunky Reagan to create 12 million jobs in his 2nd term despite his every efforts to dumb down the economy by passing another tax cut for him and his rich buddies in 1986; when any economist knows that tax cuts only work to suppress companies from investing in our economy and actually do more to KILL JOBS than create them (remember Bill increased taxes which set the country off an an economic bonanza).

      • Whatmeworry says:

        she is only ahead with libs and illegals

        • Daniel Max Ketter says:

          My girl Kristy is married to a democrat mexican, so I find that comment quite offensive!

          • hicusdicus says:

            Is your girl Kristy married to an illegal? If so I find that highly offensive. I find that homosexuals who think their marriage is the same as heterosexual marriage to be beyond offensive. There never will be a man made law that will change my mind it goes against human nature. This part of liberal ideology is disgusting.

          • Carolyn1520 says:

            Marriage is a manmade law and a business arrangement. It’s original necessity had little to do with love/romance or anyone’s perception of morality. One has to obtain a marriage license under state law. A religious ceramony has always been optional. In nature there are heterosexual, bisexual and homosexual creatures with no political affiliations. For a person who is homosexual, it is human nature. I doubt any creature, human or otherwise give much consideration to political labels assigned to them. Your narrow view reflects your own personal bias. If you don’t prefer anything other than heterosexual marriage or sex, don’t indulge in it. That other’s do, doesn’t change your day. No marriage is the same as any other. Fortunately, no one has to embrace your idea of what is “human nature” any longer.Everyone should have the same fair and equitable rights afforded to them under a marriage business contract.

          • plc97477 says:

            Hear, hear.

      • Whatmeworry says:

        she is not ahead with repubs and mental cases

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      As opposed to what? A Tundra Tootsie? Bachmannistan who isn’t even a full fledged AMerican but a half Swiss citizen? Or Nikki Come Get Me Girl?

      • idamag says:

        I wouldn’t even reply to these “whut about….s” They never discuss the topic at hand, just like nasty little bullies, they start out by name calling.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Ida…I don’t know about you. But, I am unwilling to be bullied. The more we cave to bullies, the more militant and empowered they become. I may be many things. But, fearful of a bully I’m not. As for these political lunatics, I know they are well paid to post their inane drivel day after day.

          Men better start policing their own before they find out they’ve been Ramboed into submission.

          • hicusdicus says:

            OMG I did not realize you were part of the strap on crowd.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Please stop the personal attacks and innuendo. Both of you are joining in to make this a troll’s paradise. Get back on the issues at hand or STFU. Neither of you are adding anything to the discussion other than your mutual entertainment.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Dear Dave: The main issue at hand is a bunch of people who are lonely and bored so they talk about stuff they no nothing about. Their knowledge comes from reading articles that somebody wrote who also read the article that somebody else wrote etc. Its called babbling trivia. The main discussion is about who can insult who, and category people who they no not5hing about . Its all about mutual entertainment and who knows the stupidest school yard language to use in their comebacks. So you may say what you want and I will say what I want and we will live happily ever after. Eleanore is my internet love connection who keeps me in-tune with how useless I am. With out her I could not work up a morning dump. So please mind your own business which I know you won’t do.

            l

          • angelsinca says:

            This is ALL just entertainment, David. What, do you expect? To close your browser and walk away a more informed and better person? LOL. A good book or volunteering works much better.

          • David L. Allison says:

            Expect? Reason and fact based comments without name calling and misogynist statements and inferences.

          • angelsinca says:

            That is a reasonable expectation for nice people such as yourself, David L Allison, that sees republicans in clown cars. Those are actually Fiats.

        • hicusdicus says:

          One thing Elly has never been guilty of is calling people names. Maybe an occasional love whisper and an online hug but that is about it.

      • hicusdicus says:

        Could you please keep your romantic notions to yourself. Huff post has gay voices if you want to go there.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Could you shut your pie hole? Or is running your mouth the only way you get any attention? I’m guessing McMommy dumped her lil sweetums off like a sack of potatoes in Daycare and now you are getting even with the whole world…Could you please keep your bully BS to yourself? No one cares what you bullies think. And, if you weren’t so worried you are a latent homosexual yourself, you wouldn’t bother to even mention alternative sexual preferences. But since you’re a little boy with NO balls…and only uses a computer keyboard to run your mouth, perhaps there’s a brothel you need to visit to release you frustration?

          • hicusdicus says:

            The only thing that I worry about is losing you. That could be devastating. Without you to think about, how could I ever squeeze out my morning bowl ringer. You are the ex-lax of the literary world.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            This would be sweet had I not read any of your Doctor Jekyll/Mr. Hyde posts.

          • hicusdicus says:

            I am trying to help you out with good sound medical advice. Your Hyde seems to be a bit thin.

          • Independent1 says:

            That’s what most of these delusional RWNJs don’t seem to realize: once we’ve caught on to the fact that they’re nothing but right-wing wackos out to get their jollies – no one here is reading a word of what the post!!! Talk about wasting time!!!!

        • Daniel Max Ketter says:

          Gay people are taxpayers also. Many of our troop who were killed while storming Normandy were gay, and they are heroes.

      • David L. Allison says:

        Rather than take the troll bait, I think it might be more powerful to reiterate the facts that demonstrate that even HRC, who is not my ideal candidate by far, has more qualifications than any of the folks in or likely to get into the Republican clown car of candidates..

        • Whatmeworry says:

          Can you post 1 just 1 of her accomplishments just 1

          • Daniel Max Ketter says:

            (A little bird) told me this administration got Bin Lauden, while junior bushwhacker was faking carrier landings and farting around in texas.

          • angelsinca says:

            Odd thing about that OBL bullet-to-the-eye. The terrorists got worse. Nice job. Mission accomplished.

          • Daniel Max Ketter says:

            You bet! One less terrorist in the world!

          • angelsinca says:

            Let’s not neglect counting all the new ones that are springing up everywhere. Heck, we even release them back into the wild to kill again. Nice job.

          • Independent1 says:

            Yeah!! She did exactly what a Secretary of State is supposed to do: she kept America out of engaging in any additional wars, clearly unlike Condi Rice; and she patched up America’s relations with more foreign governments than any previous SOS. And look at the relations that we have now with the antagonistic country of Myanmar; thanks to Hillary.

          • Whatmeworry says:

            Iraq, Afghanistan Libya, Syria Nigeria, Sudan Russia All BLEW UP thanks to Hilary

          • Daniel Max Ketter says:

            What happened to Iceland?

          • Whatmeworry says:

            Israel, Australia Latvia, Senegal Nepal, Samoa Iceland All BLEW UP thanks to Hilary

        • Whatmeworry says:

          I can post 1 just 1 of her accomplishments just 1

        • hicusdicus says:

          Read the history of Hilary Clinton when she was with rose law firm as a rain maker. If you are really an attorney it will make you wonder why you are one.

        • Daniel Max Ketter says:

          Ole whatmeworry twerp is only good at copying and pasting his troll bait over and over!

      • Whatmeworry says:

        The dem would love to have 1 of their candidates that looks or as smart as those you pointed out

      • Whatmeworry says:

        The repub would love to have 1 of their candidates that looks or as smart as those you pointed out

  22. idamag says:

    Even though he is out of touch with people and a vulture capitalist,he is the smartest person they have, so far.

    • Independent1 says:

      I guess – If you consider someone who didn’t even know why the windows in a passenger jet weren’t allowed to open, smart.

      The only thing I see Mitt Romney smart about is knowing how to destroy Americans’ jobs and stuff billions of their hard earned retirement benefits in his and his buddies pockets. And I’ll agree, he’s one of the sharpest snake-oil-salesmen I’ve ever heard – he can go and on for well over an hour with one lie, distortion of the truth and fabricated story after another without mouthing one sentence that is completely true. He did that 3 times in the debates against Obama so well that he actually hoodwinked the vast majority of Americans that he won some of those debates – sadly America was hoodwinked by LIES.

      • angelsinca says:

        Based on the current focus away from the present comedy of errors form the WH, and toward the yet-to-be-declared presidential candidates, it seems the serious troubles are NOW. If it weren’t for the annoyances of rampant racial tensions, sexual angsts and religious fears, everything is peachy. Let’s have another (D) president.

  23. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    Here is something about JEB everyone should know. In the late 1980s, JEB was involved with two Miami business associates. Camilo Padreda and Miguel Recarey. Padreda pleaded guilty to defrauding the Dept. of Housing and Urban Dev. of millions of dollars during the 80s. Agents of the Hand Human Services determined that a second JEB crony, Miguel Recarey had been defrauding Medicare through overcharging, false invoicing, and embezzlement. He was the former head of International Medical Centers in Miami. The same Bully Boys of the GOP who knew all about GHWB’s oil interests and schmoozing with Mexico during GHWB’s TX oil days, are the same GOP trying to pull off selling federal land in red states like ND, SD, WY and MT to oil interest. This is a redoux of Republican President’s Warren Hardings Tea Pot Dome Scandal when his Secy of the Interior tried to do the same.

    Now, you’ve got the ND Senator in Congress lying about Keystone to insure that Keystone and the Koch’s who have had a 20 year interest in the Hardisty Alberta Tar Sand Oil get their way.

    What does it take to force these elected officials to stop? Hang them upside down from the Washington Monument until they face facts?

    That ND Senator had the gall to stand up and lie and say that 70% of American want Keystone…but, as usual, when GOP men lie, they have no reservations about the gravity of their lies. This same ND Senator had the balls to say that the first Keystone project under GWB has never had any spills. OH no? Ask the people in Lac La Biche Alberta about the pollution in the Bow River from a massive Hardisty spill 3 years ago.

    The problem with men in the GOP is not just that they are liars who can never be trusted. It’s that they believe their lies and expect everyone else to. Worse, they act as if they can just ignore public demand for them to stop ramming their Rambo BS down our throats.

    • Independent1 says:

      On the XL pipeline, it’s not just that there may be spills of the tar sands oil, it’s also that tar sands oil is not just ‘normal crude’; it’s a mixture of tar sands oil and a lot of toxic chemicals. So when the people in Nebraska think about a pipeline running across their state carrying that toxic stuff, all they can think of are spills like the 20,000 barrels of tar sands oil that destroyed a Michigan waterway and the Exxon 10,000 barrel spill in Mayflower, Arkansas that has made that town almost unlivable.

      See this:

      Unlike conventional crude, the stuff from the tar sands is a mixture of unrefined tar and a cocktail of potentially toxic solvents that allows the thick material to be pumped through a pipeline. The resulting substance, so-called diluted bitumen, may be more dangerous and difficult to clean up than conventional crude oil, according to experts.

      “We’re just scared as hell,” said Jim Tarnick of Fullerton, Neb., who also lives and farms in the path of the proposed pipeline. “Keystone will travel through 320 acres of my farm, and as close as 150 feet in front of my farmhouse.”

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/01/keystone-xl-pipeline-oil-spill-kalamazoo-mayflower-nebraska_n_2989628.html

      ——————————

      The fact that the GOP would be working so hard to foist all these dangers on so many millions of Americans across our country’s heartland for a project that has virtually little-to-no benefit for America – is absolutely unconscionable!!!!

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        I had to fortune of visiting Alberta and British Columbia back in Sept. 2000. Any of the GOP liars who are spouting how safe that tar sand oil is have never seen the Hardisty tar sand pits…I have.

        Here’s what I saw: Gouged out areas of the Alberta Tar Sands, millions of gallons out water used as a water/oil separator and hundreds of trucks heading out of the mining site. Unlike underground oil, tar sand oil is mined from the side of the Canadian Rockies and buttes in Hardisty.

        What should really scare Americans is that suddenly every GOP governor in the US is hot to sell natural water resources to private interest. You can guess why. When Galveston begins to refine that dirty tar sand oil, they are going to need millions of gallons of water. So, we’ll pay higher water rates and get less water.

        The GOP is using the excuse that Obama wants 6 more years for Keystone research. The president should veto this before there’s more than just the BP Deepwater Horizon spill damaging the Gulf of Mexico.

        Furthermore, with the drop in oil prices, the GOP is only ramming Keystone through to try and compete with OPEC’s prices. This has “failure” written all over it.

        • hicusdicus says:

          Now you are now an expert on the oil business. Is there anything you are not an expert on? I know what you not yet have become expertise at. How to get along with any man who can still breath.

      • plc97477 says:

        I’m sorry but when canada allowed ted cruz to move to texas they lost me as a backer of their interests.

    • hicusdicus says:

      What about women in the GOP, maybe they watch with envy as the GOP men ram Rambo down your throats. Its one way to keep you quiet and happy.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        52% of the US population are women who earn 77 cents less per $1 than men. This is a result of the male domination in business.

        Your post proves how little you know about women. Today’s women don’t need ANY man. We pay our own way, pay the same taxes men do and are as educated as any man in the US…so..it’s you guys with those Rambos you think we are so addicted to that get used by women.

        I think it’s funny how stupid a man like you can be to think we NEED you. We might …but only for the 5 minutes you men can perform. After that, you go out with the garbage.

        • David L. Allison says:

          misdirected anger. Try not to attack the men who support women just because we are not women. You are saying that hicusdicus was saying things that he (or she) did not say. I think you might not fully understand how much he or she agrees with you. Relax, reread the comment and I think you will see what I am saying makes sense.

          • hicusdicus says:

            This woman hates men and is very belligerent about her accomplishments as if she is the only person who has done so .My wife has communicated with her and been called all; sorts of names pertaining to her being an evil man. My sole support with several degrees is a scientist, was VP of a major oil co. Went to China and dealt with the high chinks and retired with 7 figures tucked safely away . Elly the office manager and author, that what she says, calls the said lady a stupid person with no understanding of anything. This is your loving hate mongering liberal. We need the blog nannies to get after her.

        • hicusdicus says:

          No they don’t. Prove otherwise. You can’t: all you can do is quote something you heard from some dyke affiliated womens group. Of which I am sure you are chairwoman of the board.

    • David L. Allison says:

      “What does it take to force these elected officials to stop?”
      Marketing, Advertising, if you will. Newspaper and TV ads telling the truth about the lies – in the States and Districts where the politicians are lying. Snarky Billboards always get attention as do ads on and in buses and subways.
      Get the many Democratic and progressive campaign committees to spend money now as they should have been since 2008 telling the truth and calling out the liars and deniers, obstructers and dissemblers, telling their public what their politicians are doing to them.
      Some would call it immediate education or maybe marketing but the voters are never going to know the truth if no one tells them in ways that they cannot ignore. Individually we can, we have to, write letters to the editor in every newspaper, radio and television station in your own District and in the national news media.

      • hicusdicus says:

        You expect the democrats to rat themselves out. Write letters, you are a standup comedian . Some guy whose name started with an M said all political power comes from the end of a gun barrel. He did not mention writing letters to the editor. What did he know? He only ruled the largest nation in the world. You seem to be a very arrogant person with a very high opinion of yourself. Why don’t you come down with the rest of us peasants and get some dirt under your fingernails.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          I just ratted out JEB…and your comeback is to reach across the aisle? Are you obtuse or just plain “ignernt?”

          • hicusdicus says:

            You ratted out JEB? I thought everybody knew he was from the rodent family. I used to be obtuse but I became a vegetarian and lost 45 lbs.. There is nothing plain about my ignerce it is backed up by 6 failed years at universities. I have also spared the world by not writing an autobiography..I deserve saint hood or at least a hood.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You aren’t a failure. Few people ever are. It’s only those who have no impetus or ambition and believe they can just sit back while the world passes them by who sabotage themselves.

          • hicusdicus says:

            Well there are two things I Have failed at for sure. … Getting along with you which is more difficult than proving there is a god. Understanding you. I finally figured out why it is so hard. You don’t understand yourself. You are not a failure but you are not the success you would like to be. I am sure you attribute this to all the two legged creatures who sport an Oscar Mayer The tried and true method for taming an Oscar Mayer is to put it in a hot bun and stare lovingly at it while complimenting ist robustness.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Now what would make you think “we” don’t get along? We just don’t “agree” and that is part of any communication eventually.

            I understand me better than anyone else understands themselves. Why? Because I am perfectly capable of knowing who I am, what I want and don’t want and what I am fully skilled, experienced and talented enough to accomplish.

            I consider myself an unusually fortunate woman. I’ve had enough men in my life..everything from a priest, to a PhD in robotics, two lawyers and several engineers. I was raised in an all male household. Hence, my ability to read men far more astutely than most women. 5 Brothers and half brothers, 11 nephews, 2 sons and 1 ex who had the misfortune of trying to reinvent me.

            I am privileged to have done everything I set out to do in my lifetime…owned two business, worked with top CEOs and count several politicians as friends. As a full-time SEO copywriter and author of novels, I have little time for relationships with anyone these days. If I thought retirement from private industry was going to be a lark, I was fooling myself.

            I’m at an age now where I earned the right to speak my mind. I don’t believe in waiting until they toss my casket into the ground to try to say that which needs to be said.

    • angelsinca says:

      Life long relationships with domestic terrorists, practicing racists, murderers, thieves and deceptive liars didn’t hurt Obama’s ability to get elected. At this point, he just wouldn’t look like the one you voted for if he was hanging from his heels.

  24. David L. Allison says:

    Is there no one monitoring National Memo for trolls making personal attacks in the comments?

    • Independent1 says:

      Unfortunately, the NM editors seem to have disappeared and are now totally ignoring the fact that sometimes there are more than 1/2 a dozen RWNJs on a number of NM blog threads spewing their hate for Obama with lies, distortion of the facts and stories that are total fabrications.

      • hicusdicus says:

        I don’t think you should make a ripple. You are one of the nastiest name calling people on this site. I don’t call names I just annoy and irritate. You are so easy I sometimes feel ashamed but not for long.

        • Independent1 says:

          I think in the last 15 plus posts I’ve made I think the worst I’ve called you right-wingers is RWNJs. Having checked a few of the non right-wing sites lately, and that includes a number that are clearly independents – many of the names the people writing for those sites wall you RWNJs I’d hesitate to post on this blog site. You just apparently have no idea how much hatred is building up in America for you right-wingers. To be honest, if I were you, I’d start getting a little nervous. A large portion of Americans are starting to realize just how self-centered and ME oriented the Tea Baggers and even many Republicans have become.

          • David L. Allison says:

            I find the “collapse” marker far more effective at dealing with the RWNJs than attempting to reason with ignorant outcasts from the oil patch.

          • angelsinca says:

            If the Memo actually moderated its blog for violations of the TOS, then banned those consistently hostile posters, it would lose its entire base of regular contributors.

          • hicusdicus says:

            You hit the nail on the head and since it was a liberal nail it did not notice.

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m sure any NM editors who may be monitoring agree that because of the nastiness that is clearly present in virtually every one of you RWNJs post via outright blatant lies, constant distortions of the truth and clear fabrications of reality – that you all are more than deserving of anything I may call you. Which as I’ve pointed out, if you do even the least bit a checking, you’ll find is tame, compared to what liberals and even many independents are calling you RWNJs on other blog sites.

      • David L. Allison says:

        I find the collapse button on the RWNJs makes for a much more coherent comment stream. Best if they could be blocked but simply removing them is like removing little pesky rocks from the roadway. They aren’t harmful, just annoying.

        • hicusdicus says:

          Still want censorship of any body that does not agree with you. A true liberal democrat. You and independent should get along fine you can agree on everything no matter how misguided it is. You both don’t care about anybody but your selves. Maybe you should rent a closet together. That way everybody will know you suck.

    • hicusdicus says:

      So you believe in censorship and you need some site nannies to look after you. Most of the hateful name calling is coming from liberals. But because of your confirmation bias you just don’t see it. That is the liberal agenda, lots of monitoring and political correctness. Go read your lady love Elinore’s comments to anybody that does not agree with her and also Independent then get back with me.

  25. Pepper Roberts says:

    The GOP has always looked in the past for Their Leader’s. Like 1815. Anytime they appoint someone like Ted Cruz as head of NASA, there is BRAIN DAMAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!

    • hicusdicus says:

      Every body in the GOP needs to be rounded up and put in internment camps until the gas chambers are built.

      • angelsinca says:

        For a person that retired on seven digits, it seems odd to spend your remaining time poking sticks into a liberal hive. I’d be making 1000hp bra-breakers and helping my fellow man treat the ill effects of liberalism. Maybe that’s what you’re doing.

        • hicusdicus says:

          For one its been 15 degrees out side with ice. Whats a 1000 hp bra breaker it sounds like fun particularly the bra breaking part. I am helping my companions survive the ill effects of human assholeism. My companions being 10 dogs ,1 cat and two geese .Poking sharp sticks in liberal hives helps fight liberal stupidity. It is also a cure for erectile dysfunction. It also brings to mind why I keep an assault rifle and plenty of ammo. I switch between watching movies and annoying self ritchous liberals.

          • angelsinca says:

            I’ve seen hard acceleration break the surly bonds of brassieres. At least I think that was the acceleration. Thanks for the entertainment. Good to see the crow served fresh.

  26. angelsinca says:

    If Romney decides to run, he sure will have a lot of ‘I told you so’s’ to fall back on.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Like what? His Bain Capital Investigation for evading taxes in tax free havens offshore and fraud? For what? Pushing healthcare reform out of the GOP side of his yap and then bashing it when a twice elected president sponsors the very same thing?

      No one is going to vote for Rip Van Romney. He had 2 chances. He’s as bad as Cheney. In 1994, Cheney wanted a try for the presidency. His own party wouldn’t put him out there. And we all know why…he and his Ach Tung Herr Cheney Hitler act.

      • angelsinca says:

        Calm down. You must like giving ammo to your detractors. It was expected that the rabid left would continue its assault on Romney at the slightest mention. Here, try this on, “Hillary Pantsuit R. Clinton”.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Check yourself into a mental hospitals Toots. Romney dumped a $12 million bankruptcy filing on taxpayers in the 80s….prior to the Bain investigation. I intend to be as much ammo to keep trough feeding reds like you from bankrupting the rest of us. You don’t like it? Tough turds.

          AS for Hillary, You know your right wingers have ZERO candidates. Eat your hearts out…President Hillary is better than a 3rd Bush in the White House trying to create the first US dynasty.

          As for Rip Van Romo…how does a dress for success tie, expensive Ralph Lauren suits and $700 shoes reasonate with the Middle Class? Doesn’t does it moron.

          • angelsinca says:

            It is disingenuous to cite a $12M bankruptcy as ” bankrupting the rest of us” when your Obama continues to submit deficit budget requests that add $500 BILLION to the debt annually. Your argument is as hollow as that space between your hairy ears, dear Eleanor.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Wrong…Since when is a private for profit vulture venture capitalist business like Bain remotely linked to a public deficit Bush and Cheney created with 3 massive tax cuts the GAO reported 2 times in the Bush 8 years had increased wealth ONLY at the top?

            You want to cut the deficit? Fine. We cut VA’s huge tax subsidies that just happens to be 35% of that deficit you freeloaders of red states bitch about. and VA IS the No. 1 Military Industrialist state which Eisenhower warned about in his farewell speech. We cut TX, OK and ND’s oil subsidies that this year totaled $14 billion plus dollars..this doesn’t count the dump job we pay for when this pollution costs us in clean ups and helping to pay 50% of their oil spills and other pollution disasters. You don’t know much do you moron?

            Now..final one to stick where the sun doesn’t shine…Every one of the red states gets back more than $1.50 for the $1 they pay in federal taxes. The blues states get 65 cents on average for their dollar. Shove it buster. I’m fed up with you rednecks sucking up federal revenues and then bitching about a deficit YOU YOU YOU are ALL responsible for. Your boys are freeloading trough feeding politicians who make sure they take back double to their trough feeding states.

          • angelsinca says:

            You ought to revise your red states sucking-off-the-teet distorted narrative. It’s stale and inaccurate. When you take an honest look at the top 20 states in total government spending per capita, only 6 are red states:

            http://www.ijreview.com/2015/01/230371-2-map-shows-red-states-rely-federal-aid-looks-can-deceiving/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_content=conservativedaily&utm_campaign=Map

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Use a biased poll and the right wing anarchists think because YOU post it, it it law? Time for the middle aged Great White Angry Males in this country to stop trying to ram down their lies.

            My information came from last week’s Wall Street Journal..So..should we use a laughable source you posted? Or should we use the WSJ who monitors income, investments and all your per capita red state trough feeding freeloaders?

            You are wrong. Now be a man and admit it. And if you fat gut middle aged turds of the right think for one minute you are going to convince anyone of your biased lies, think again. You lost this one. You’re just too much of a moron to admit it.

          • angelsinca says:

            The only truth is your warped one. Got it. Note to self; waste no more time on this past-her-prime loony tune.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You are quite correct. You are wasting YOUR time. With a mind as deadly closed as yours, it’s a wonder you know which shoe lace to tie every morning. You can’t win this argument so you do what all little cowards do…refuse to admit you posted a biased, bogus link and can’t handle the WSJ fact I posted. Now do pick up your piggy little tail and run for the hills. That’s where Neanderthals like you with anarchist twisted minds belong.

          • angelsinca says:

            You have no idea, Eleanor. Really. If you strike with enough insults, you might eventually strike a nerve. But not today. I wouldn’t dare use your posts to line the cat box. But you should find comfort knowing they are assuring regularity for hicusdicus.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I have so many ideas that an asshat like you will never have. I won’t give a man whose testicles hang as low as yours the pleasure of thinking you are a genius. Your just one little sand flea who plays at being Master of the Universe.

            I’ve accomplished more in my lifetime than you can in two lifetimes.

            The only irregularity you…A constipated brain with a constipated mentality of superiority. You’re about as superior as an amoeba.

          • angelsinca says:

            Nope missed again dear Eleanor. Zero effect here. I think you make seething comments because you like to inflict hurt (but failed miserably), and are actually amusing yourself with what you write. You should be married to a mirror. Calm down.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Nope …Your closed mind isn’t my rule of law. Get over yourself. You are so full of yourself. Zero effect here too…Men like you are addicted to the need to control others. Too bad you overlook one very human element you cannot ever hope to control…our free will. You should be married to a toilet…so you can flush yourself and your control freak ideas.

          • angelsinca says:

            No desire to control you, Eleanore. To what end? Your company isn’t desirable by any means. You brutishly lash out at anything you deem non-liberal or non-female. You wedge your viperous barbs into conversations that result in absolutely no benefit to the participants. Why would I want to change that? It defines you.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Feasting at the table of denial gets you no where with me. You are an inveterate control freak. I lash out at you because you are the antithesis of everything America has always stood for..common decency, fair play, integrity and honesty.

            Men like you feast on lies, deception and all manner of corruption because you are maniacs. What does the word “mania” mean? It’s an individual so narrow minded that only “their” thinking has merit. That my fine feathered fellow is why YOU are a maniac.

            Get with the times. No one will tolerate men and women who believe they are superior royalty to be bowed down to and obeyed. Your ideology has not worked. You had your 8 Bush years and it ended in massive failure…so take your hideous greedy, selfish, self-importance and stuff it up your butt. That’s the only place that it has any merit.

          • angelsinca says:

            Huh? Denial? Maniac? Selfish? WTH? You base this on what, several exchanges on the internet? LOL. Oh, I finally see now. You are projecting two things; a hate for republicans/conservatives, and a life long hate of men. When you say you grew up around a family of men and ‘understand’ them, it seems more like you despise them. Fort God’s sake, get a grip.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Unfortunately for you, your posts prove who and what you really are. By your words, are you known. I don’t hate the GOP since I was a Republican for 33 years. I hate what the GOP has become since Newt Gingrich declared his Contract ON America. I grew outnumbered by men my entire life. I don’t resent men..I only resent selfish, self-important, conceited men with egos about to burst like a hot air balloon.

            I have more than the grip you would wish any female to have. Please…spare me your BS act. There is nothing you can tell me about a man like you I have seen and heard every year of my life.

          • angelsinca says:

            Thank you for sparing the GOP your brand of feigned conservatism. Since you have the bizarre desire to tug me back into your sphere of dislike and negative influence, which is unhealthy and without positive result, I will leave you dear Eleanore-eeeor. And no, I am not running away with dragging knuckles. I am just turning my back toward you. With haste, I shall now pass gas in your general direction.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            In case you missed any of my perfectly articulated posts, NO..I don’t like you or your brand of phony superiority. I don’t like you or your “cronies” of anarchy. Don’t bother to pretend that isn’t what you are attempting. You hate the government as your post so eloquently have stated.

            So..if you hate government, it follows you love a society without laws or order. Again..you are a “dark” angel with ideas of superior grandeur that cannot be substantiated in a court of law and judged by your peers. Men like you believe you have NO peers. Too bad you live in a society based on democracy for more than 235 years and not your visions of anarchists roaming the streets creating more lawlessness and terror. Stuff you conservatism where the sun doesn’t shine. I’m guessing there plenty of room to do that with such a big double wide butt.

          • angelsinca says:

            Conservatives are anxiously awaiting a return to law and order. This concept is lost on this administration of yours with its selective enforcement (and creation) of law based on obvious racial bias and potential for gaining democrat votes. Studies show domestic anarchism is nurtured in the liberal environments of our colleges and universities, not the typical conservative surroundings of church or the workplace.

            The non-liberal’s dislike for government lies in federal over reach where SOME regulations are stifling growth and productivity. Such as the new requirement to post caloric info on menus. The CBO estimates this alone will cost over 12,000,000 additional hours of labor to comply. Liberals see this as job opportunity, I suppose.

            On a personal level (the one you are accustomed to), your fascination with fecal origins says too much about you, dear Eleanor-eeor. The divisive rhetoric and inaccurate assumption you spew about the conservative half of the nation is pretty much the same crap we’ve see from this president for the past 6 years. Try to get along with your fellow citizens, n’kay?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Boy do you EVER love to lay on the GOP BS…So..they GOP wants law and order? Is that why the cops in Ferguson took to US streets with Mraps? Is that why Boehner dared to invite Netanyahu to a House meeting as if we have no sitting President? Is that why Mitch the Bitch McConnell tried to lie his way to forcing land owners in NB to hand over their homesteads to TransCanada Oil?

            Is that why GWB masterminded a march into Iraq, a sovereign nation with a pre-emptive strike? You are a fool and delusional.

            The GOP men are tyrants and pull tantrums like big babies..but do go on your merry rabble rousing BS rant.

          • angelsinca says:

            Presidential approval isn’t req’d to invite heads of state. The Protocol Officer should be consulted. Maybe he was. It’s not like Congress has been consulted by the WH everytime it makes a questionable terrorist release.

            Since Congressional approval is needed before a treaty can be reached, possibly with with Iran, it makes sense that Boehner would host a speech from Israel’s chief to Congress. It appears the president is having the tantrum by refusing to host Bibi, again.

            GW did not march into Iraq alone with pre-emptive strikes. The current dire situation in Iraq is a DIRECT result of a campaign promise. Why do give you pass for this?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            It may not be required…but it IS protocol followed for the past 235+ years. Why now does THIS particular GOP House and Senate feel they NEED to go past protocol?

            And, Bibi is up for re-election. The GOP’s move will be viewed as interference in Israel’s election. That IS abuse of power whether you want to call it that or not.

            Bush did march into Iraq on a pre-emptive strike. He used the same powers as Commander-in-chief, asses of the right now refuse to allow this president.

            You know what happens to men who think they can use double standards in government to get what they want? They become Tom DeLay, Nixon and Gingrich…all losers who are now part of a scandalous history the GOP OWNS…got that? the GOP OWNS the Great Depression, WaterGate, IranContraGate and Iraq and HalliburtonGate. I don’t care how you try to pretend this isn’t on the GOP…the rest of us do not agree with liars who can’t man up. Grow some balls and then post.

          • angelsinca says:

            Consulting Congress on immigration matters has been protocol, no LAW, for nearly as long. Please stop with the “they didn’t inform us” boo-hooing. Seems like Karma for all the intentional disregard of Congress by this administration.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You bet you “A” I’ll boo hoo…When a man like you gets too high handed on MY tax dollars, I have more than EVERY right to boo hoo. Not that I ever cry over high handed little tyrants like you and your ilk.

            The reality is that Boehner, in going over the head of the President of the US and by association of the cabinet member as Secy of State, Boehner is now defying this president in violation of the US Constitution that reads:
            Article I, Sec. 3 Each “House” may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, PUNISH its members for disorderly Behavior and with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

            Article III, Sec. 3: Treason against the United Sttesx shall consist only of levying WAR against them or in ADHERING TO THEIR ENEMIES, GIVING THEM AID AND COMFORT…Netanyahu is an enemy of this country because he chose to disrespect the president of the United States.

            Boehner is guilty of disorderly behavior for defying protocol in place for the House Speaker for 235+ years.

            Try out your high handed BS on Cruz, Ryan, Christie and see how it flies…I’m not impressed with your classless attempts to denigrate the twice elected president of the US who won against the high handed BS artists of the GOP.

          • dpaano says:

            As I’ve said many times before….the GOP uses lies and scare tactics to keep their base in line!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You are such a BS artist. That link you provided…not a government link is it? So..let me give you based on a collection of state revenues from the WSJ blogs.wsj.com/…/which-states-take-the-most-fro..

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…/republican-states-most-.

            http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/…states…/361668/

            and according to your own FOX News link: North Dakota is one of the states that gets the highest ROI …enough of your BS lies.

            If you have to be a liar, maybe you should be in the circus. I understand illusionists are in big demand.

          • dpaano says:

            Apparently, Angel hasn’t heard that the deficit has been cut significantly by the Obama Administration….yet, Fox keeps lying to everyone that President Obama is spending like a fool! Amazing what some people will believe.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Angel has to lie. How else can he make others believe he’s righter than God? He’s a dipshit who is nothing more than an anarchist who hates all government. Hates all law and order and would really love to BE the only government. In other words, another case for submission to the mental institution.

          • angelsinca says:

            I agree with you that another Clinton in the WH is better than a third Bush. At least the Bushes would leave the furniture behind. But, the nation can still do better than Rodham-C*** or chubby Jebby by a long shot.

  27. robertbenefiel@att.net says:

    Romney is the perfect candidate for the Republicans. A rich white male who will tell everyone that he knows what is best from them. The one big problem is that he is not a Christian which is a big problem for the Christian Right. He believes that Christ lives on a planet and that he came to the New World and that Missouri is the Holy Land. His religion believed that blacks were vile and loathsome and were the seed of Satan which does not help with blacks. I doubt that vets will not like him since during the Viet Nam War he fled to Paris and received three (3) deferments in an attempt to convince French to join his religion and to give up tea, coffee, wine, and premarital sex. He did not convert a single person to his religion but keep renewing his deferments while he demonstrated on behalf of the war.

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