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Saturday, October 1, 2016

Despite a slight rebuke from the state’s Republican governor, North Carolina’s House has passed a series of new restrictions on abortion providers that Republicans in the State Senate stuck into a bill banning Sharia law Tuesday evening.

“Regardless of what party is in charge or what important issue is being discussed, the process must be appropriate and thorough,” Governor Pat McCrory  (R-NC) said in a statement about House Bill 695.

Last year, McCrory vowed not to enact any new abortion restrictions.

Even if the governor decides to veto the measures, which prevent the state’s insurance exchange from offering plans that cover abortion along with restrictions on doctors or facilities that could shut down all but one clinic that performs abortions in the state, Republicans in the legislature have enough votes to override him. The bill passed the House by a vote of 29 to 12.

An estimated 600 people gathered at the state capitol Wednesday as news of the new sneak attack on abortion rights spread. They protested the House’s vote by waving their arms silently.

“This is an atrocious, shameful bill,” said Senator Earline Parmon, (D-Winston-Salem). “It’s about dictating to women about very personal medical decisions that should be left to a woman and her doctor. This is going to cause more back-alley abortions whether you want to admit it or not.”

Demonstrators have been gathering to protest the Republican leadership in Raleigh weekly for “Moral Mondays,” with hundreds generally ending up under arrest.

Since they took control of both houses of the legislature along with the governorship, the state’s GOP has been passing a wish list of legislation focusing on cutting education, restricting voting and ending public funding of local elections. Most recently, they passed  unprecedented cuts to unemployment insurance.

While all those laws have been passed in broad daylight, Senate Republicans resorted to the cloak of night, likely after watching State Senator Wendy Davis (D-Fort Worth) successfully delay abortion restrictions in Texas’ Senate.

“It seems to me that they’re trying to pass under cover of darkness legislation that would not otherwise be passed,” said Suzanne Buckley, executive director of NARAL Pro-Choice North Carolina. “They’re trying to pull a Texas.”

Restrictions in North Carolina resemble those of Texas, which were pioneered by Republicans in Ohio who are innovating new ways of limiting women’s choices in their latest budget.

Photo: Doug.Mall via Flickr.com

  • Brent

    The ‘Religious Fundamentalist’ Taliban would be proud to vote WITH the ‘Religious Fundamentalist’ TEAliban on this Legislation and on a lot of other GOP ideas to suppress Women, as well as ANYONE else who doesn’t agree with them (voter suppression, etc); even if it does take the guise of ‘Religious Fundamentalist’ GOP Sharia Law!

  • Kurt CPI

    The coming election cycle will be interesting. With a hard-right representation corps (whom the North Carolina voters elected), the next round will either show a trend in the South toward a more progressive way of thinking (if they throw them out), or solidify the differences between conservative “Bible belt” voters and their more northern counterparts. I wouldn’t want to call this one.

  • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

    Here is my suggestion to those who do not believe a woman has a right to an abortion:
    Step 1 – pay for her medical treatment during the entirety of her pregnancy, up to and including the delivery service, covering all costs including any associated with “At Risk” situations.
    Step 2 – adopt the child. If not, offer to fully pay for the child’s life expenses (food, shelter, clothing, health care, education) up to and including a college education. This is what would be required if you were the at-fault parent in a divorce proceeding.
    Step 2a – if the child had a physical or mental condition that would not allow him or her to live on his or her own, offer to take in the child and care for him or her full time.
    This is also known as “putting your money where your mouth is.”

    • Polana

      Your mother let you live. So U are telling me that it’s OK to kill an innocent baby but it’s Ok to house, feed, provide free medical, cable and 3 square meals to criminals/murderers that cost us more a year than to raise a child.

      Life is a gift. I know for a fact few girls who got knocked up while drunk and done it. many times. It’s a health issue or just inconvenience??

      If it’s about woman rights to kill, what about baby right to live????

      %th month pregnancy the baby can live outside womb, therefore they are killing a little human being that have a heart beat hands, legs and brain.

      Yes it’s controversial issue, but humanity sunk so low that now killing is just another task. Planned Parenthood does more abortions than preventive care.

      They feed the line about free screenings, – NOTHING IS FREE here. NOTHING.Somebody pay and it’s us. Check it out how much Richardson earns as a CEO. Mind boggling. Blood money. No wonder she fights so hard and spew lies. Very little on unemployment line for her lifestyle.Fact is that they can’t use Federal money for this atrocious act, but private donation keep them going., If you donate to them then you are part of the problem not a solution. Babies blood is on your hands.

      If woman can afford a pack of cigarettes, nails or hair done every month she can afford to buy contraceptive – not that expensive.

      Also there are ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy- wanted to sleep around, then snip it, or wrap it .

      It’s about responsibility for your action and carelessness.

      Nobody wants to be responsible anymore for their wrong doings.

      Life is a gift – given only once.

      • JSquercia

        While I would say I believe in your RIGHT to feel that Life Begins at conception there are MANY who do NOT feel that way including the Supreme Court which talked about viability when .they made their ruling in Roe Vrs Wade.

        AS for spewing LIES I suggest you look in the Mirror especially with your “facts” concerning Planned Parenthood . One thing Planned Parenthood does is provide Birth Control but that is the NEXT step in the war on women . A charge led by the Catholic Bishops

        • RobertCHastings

          Apparently Polana doesn’t understand the Biblical doctrine of Free Choice. You may be concerned about the condition of my soul, but what I do that affects my soul is entirely MY choice. You may consider yourself your brother’s keeper; but you are NOT your brother’s master.

          • lana ward

            Satan loves death

          • RobertCHastings

            Satan also loves hypocrisy. The greatest sin, and the one for which we are told there is no salvation, is the denial of God’s freely given love. Perhaps a rereading of Goethe’s “Faust” might refresh.

          • lana ward

            Satan loves death and the dems chanted Hail Satan over Amazing Grace at a baby murdering protest. Your people are lovely

          • RobertCHastings

            The dems? Who told you they were dems? They were probably just as extreme one way as the folks they were protesting against were the other way. This is not necessarily a question of abortion, but a question of freedom to make choices. Do YOU want some crackpot in Congress demanding that you have an invasive gynecological exam, for whatever reason? Ostensibly, these folks want to require such exams before a woman has an abortion. What is to prevent this from being expanded, all against the woman’s will, to include examinations to prove/disprove allegations of infidelity? About three years ago, a man in Maryland was acquitted of murdering his wife when he merely suspected her of infidelity. The law used to get him off had been on the books for at least 200 years. Like we don’t have enough laws on the books controlling women already that you want to put more on the books?

          • Lynda Groom

            Satan is a fiction brought forth by ignorance. Keep it real girl.

          • lana ward

            All the baby murderers were chanting, Hail Satan, over Amazing Grace at an abortion protest, so tell them Satan is fiction, girl

          • lana ward

            Obama spends 100 million dollars on his trip to Africa but we don’t have enough money for our Troops to have 4th of July fireworks, the ones who give us the right to have fireworks. Deplorable person, that thing in my WH

          • Sand_Cat

            Is that why he loves you?

          • lana ward

            Baby murderers were chanting Hail Satan over Amazing Grace at a abortion protest. You baby murderers are loved by Satan and you love him back. Hail Satan, you freaks!!!

        • lana ward

          America started dying when the Supreme Court said it is legal to murder babies

      • RobertCHastings

        Sounds like you are reading an awful lot into disqus’ simple proposal. I read his proposal completely and didn’t see most of what you brought up.

    • rkief

      Lincoln once said, “Who has the heart to help has the right to criticize.” Of the millions of “pro-lifers,’” is there even one who, instead of haranguing or threatening abortion seekers or providers, has volunteered to raise an-about-to be-aborted fetus? Do the math. If every “pro-life” family (or even one out of twenty or fifty) adopted one fetus scheduled for abortion, there would be little need for that procedure anymore.

      Perhaps before setting out on their next protest writing their next letter, or contemplating the next abortion-related sermon, right-to-lifers might consider the admonitions, “Judge not, lest ye be judged,” and “Vengeance is mine.” And did not the speaker of these sage words also say, “Put up or shut up, abortion protesters?”

  • Brian Templeton

    I wonder why the general public votes such idiotic politicians into power and then complains about them. Being right wing does not necessarily mean that they are
    in the right.

  • W.Elizabeth

    As a woman and student in NC, as well as a grand-daughter of a NC House Republican Representative, I am absolutely infuriated with this bill. I’ve heard my grandfather discuss these issues so I am almost certain that he voted in favor of this bill. I consider myself the political “black sheep” of my family because I tend to lean left with most issues, while the rest of my family are staunch conservatives. You can bet that I will be giving my grandfather a call asking why he would vote in favor of restricting my rights as a woman in NC and as a hard-working student.

    • Lorr

      I am sorry, this must be very difficult for you, respecting and loving your grandfather and disagreeing with him on such a vital issue. I hope you find peace in knowing that our families love us unconditionally and families do not agree on a lot of things.
      Happy 4th of July

    • gvette

      Maybe your grand daddy doesn’t believe in abortion. I guess it’s a good thing your mother didn’t!

      • Justin Napolitano

        Maybe your mother believed in choice and decided she wanted you. Why don’t you allow other women that same choice.
        Women don’t need men to tell them what is best for their own bodies.

        • gvette

          It’s called being a christian. I guess you don’t know about that. Most on the left don’t.

          • RobertCHastings

            Most on the right, like you, THINK they are Christians when, truth be told, Christ would not last very long among today’s conservatives – He is entirely too liberal. He believes in love and acceptance, tolerance, and charity. Do you have any idea what those terms actually mean? I didn’t think so, hypocrite.

          • gvette

            Sorry Robert, I don’t think it, I live it.

          • W.Elizabeth

            You are the opposite of what Christ imagined as one of his followers, but then again, he would still accept you because he loved everyone despite their gross misunderstandings of him and what it meant to LOVE everyone. It’s buffet Christians like you that give the rest of humanity a negative view of Christianity.

          • gvette

            You know nothing about me. I’m wondering if you think abortion is ok. You can think of me what you want. God is the only one I have to answer to.

          • W.Elizabeth

            I think if a women decides that an abortion is best for her then it is her choice. No one should make that decision for her. If you’re so against abortion, then don’t get one, it’s as simple as that. If you believe that God is the only one to judge then let him judge the people you think are in the wrong.

          • metrognome3830

            See! Now you’ve got it! If you only have to answer to God, so does everyone else. So why would you insist they answer to you.

          • gvette

            LOL..I don’t. where’d you get that from?

          • Sand_Cat

            Very convenient. In other words, you answer to no one.

          • Kansan

            Smells like BS to me, Gvette.

          • gvette

            you can believe what you want.

          • Kansan

            That is what the 1st Amendment is all about, after all.

          • jointerjohn

            What gvette is saying is we are all free to believe what we want,,,,,,as long as we do things the way he/she sees it.

          • metrognome3830

            Good for you gvette! You live your life the way you want to. And by the same token, let others live their life the way they want to. Being a good Christian I’m sure your familiar with the term “free will.” I’m sure you know, as a devout Christian, that you have no authority to regulate how others live their lives as long as they live within the law. I’m also sure you must know that it is not Christian to label all people who don’t agree with you as immoral. Being a hypocrite is not a Christian value.

          • gvette

            Gods law, and your law, are two different things.

          • RobertCHastings

            Dante’s “Inferno” places hypocrites somewhere between the 5th and 6th gates of Hell. Unlike man’s law, God’s law is not open to interpretation, thus the Divine injunction against judgement.

          • gvette

            I understand my short comings. Do you know yours.

          • RobertCHastings

            Do you, really? Do I understand my shortcomings? Yes I do and I, like you, am assured a place at the Table.

          • gvette

            That’s all you need to worry about!

          • RobertCHastings

            It certainly is, which is precisely why I try not to judge people based upon MY beliefs.

          • Sand_Cat

            Really? You hide it well.

          • Lynda Groom

            Which law would that be friend? Be specific if you can.

          • Sand_Cat

            Try getting the beam out of your own eye. Then you could see a lot better trying to get the spec out of his!

          • jointerjohn

            AMEN! And lets keep it that way!

          • metrognome3830

            That is absolutely correct, gvette. Not even God expected his laws to override civil law. If you believe that God’s law supersedes civil laws, you believe the same thing that radical Islamists believe.

          • RobertCHastings

            What you are living is, apparently, a sham. You prejudge others based upon their political choices, when, as a Christian, you fully understand that judgement is not yours. You intentionally withhold your love from others, when you fully understand that God freely gave His love to ALL. I am sorry, but I don’t see that as Christian.

          • gvette

            Well fortunately, it’s not you, that matter. you’re free to believe as you will.

          • RobertCHastings

            Unusual for someone like you to grant someone who apparently doesn’t believe as you do that I DO have the freedom to believe as I wish.

          • gvette

            LOL..I’m not granting anyone, anything. As i said, you can believe anything you want.

          • Lynda Groom

            Please proceed to prove your point.

          • Sand_Cat

            What: the Fascist handbook? How to Lose Friends and Kill People? Me first? I’m going to heaven and you’re not? That’s the most ridiculous crap I’ve ever heard…Wait! Jesus said THAT? But I worship the “Risen Christ,” not Jesus.

          • Independent1

            What you live gvette is following the path of Satan.

          • Lynda Groom

            Lord save us from some of your followers.

          • Sand_Cat

            Don’t think you should insult the guy that way. If he really does exist, he might be offended to have gvette listed as one of his followers, or accept blame for her malice.

            There’s a good bumper stick that says something like “Don’t blame god for your hatred,” and another that says “Your god hates all the same people you do.”

          • Sand_Cat

            Most who claim the title despise practically everything “Jesus” is reputed to have said, and dismiss with contempt and calls of “Socialist” or “Communist” everyone who attempts to respect and follow it. For instance, try looking in the mirror…

          • Bill

            More like being an IDIOT!!!!

          • charleo1

            You might be surprised to know, many Christians on the Left,
            believe the Christians on the Right have abandoned the core
            directives of Christ. To heal the sick, be inclusive of society’s
            outcasts, and feed the poor. That Right Wing Christians are
            destroying the moral high ground they claim to be standing
            on. As well as the good name of Jesus Christ, by attempting
            to enlist the power of the State to enforce a moral law, they
            cannot by the power of their argument, or even by enlisting the power of the Almighty in who’s name they labor, to persuade an otherwise free people, to change their behavior. If Christ would have used such a method, Christians on the Left ask. Would The Sermon on the Mount have included Roman soldiers walking among the multitudes, demanding Christ’s words be instantly made into law? Today, we see ideologues closing off the access to life saving tests, and
            vital healthcare to hundreds of thousands of women, and young girls, in an effort to deny to the 3% or less, that seek the abortion, you, and others, were unable to prevent by
            any other means. Many, myself included see your opposition
            to proper education, or making available to those at the
            highest risk, remedies that would have prevented the circumstance in the first place, as disingenuous at best. And
            cruel, and intentionally so. So now, unfortunately because of your misdirected zealotry, people resent you, and will turn
            away from the Christ you misrepresent. So, even if one day you are successful in your misguided efforts. You will lose. Because, those now in political power, are already viewed as oppressors. and Christ becomes the symbol of that oppression, to generations to come. That a man soweth, that
            shall he reap.

          • gvette

            I can see where you on the left have to justify your thoughts.

            now I’ll take you back to the democratic convention where

            you folks didn’t want God mentioned. It took three votes

            to get it back in, so please don’t try to kid me, in what the

            left believes.

          • charleo1

            Well, everyone including yourself needs justification for their
            thoughts. You need to justify a lot, in my opinion. To justify
            your thoughts, you must find, that denying medical care to
            over 120,000 women living below the poverty level in the State of Texas, to block access to those few that seek an abortion, is consistent with the teachings of Christ. To say a political party often mentions religion, morality, or talks a lot about Christian values. Then, goes to their jobs as legislators, and votes to cut 20 billion dollars out a food assistance program for the poor, takes a lot of creative justification. Because, in my Bible it doesn’t say, “Then Christ came before the hungry multitudes, and talked about food. Or, came upon the Leper and talked about making healing him,
            a top priority of the Church he was founding. Now your justification friend, as is mine, between me, and my creator. But if this paper thin, and at the end of the day, meaningless political tittle tattle, about Democrats, in your estimation, squares the circle for you. That’s fine. But you don’t get to come on here, acting all high, and mighty, in your self proclaimed, moral superiority because you’re a Republican.

          • gvette

            One last time. You demonrats kick God out of your convention, then you come after me, because I’m a republican? you’ve GOT to be kidding!

          • charleo1

            I come after you son, because the Devil’s got you!
            Get your life right with God, and you’ll see the light.
            The Bible warned you about people like Republicans.
            False Prophets, and followers of the Devil. If you
            turn you back on God, Son. You’ll have eternity to
            regret it. God will help you. But it’s up to you!
            Get that Bible out. Read it. See how much GOP
            policy you read in it. Then, you talk to Jesus.
            about it.

          • Independent1

            No it’s not. A true Christian uses their head and realizes that banning abortion is not going to stop abortions anymore than banning drugs has stopped people from using them; or banning pot has stopped people from using it; or banning liquor back in the 1920s stopped people from drinking. Only faux Christians who think God gave them the right to be vigilantes for Him, which he never did, are clueless enough to realize that all banning abortions in a state is going to succeed in doing is going back before Roe vs Wade when many more women were dying in botched/backstreet abortions. You have to be pretty clueless to think that banning abortions is going to keep women who are determined not to carry a fetus to term to not find someway to stop a pregnancy. What people like you need to do is grow up.

          • gvette

            A true christin wouldn’t need an abortion.

            I get a kick out of the grow up comment.

            I am. I take responsability for what I do.

            Apparently the people you know..aren’t!

          • Independent1

            What does that have to do with the fact that what pushing to ban abortions is going to really accomplish is to see more women die during abortions than it will save fetuses from being aborted?? Where in the bible did God ask you or even your preacher to go around setting rules for people to live by outside of your church? When he sent the appostles out to preach, he told them to just shake the dust off from any place that didn’t believe their message – he said nothing about, if you don’t like the way people are living their lives to go around and try to set rules for them – setting rules is God’s place – not yours or your ministers. The only rules your minister should be setting are the rules by which his congregation lives. That’s the problem with what’s going on today – to many churches being more concerned about how other people are living their lives and not spending enough time being sure their own congregations are living right. I know full well what a true Christian would do – that’s not the issue – the issue is YOU have no right to tell another Christian how to live unless that Christian belongs to YOUR church.

        • JSquercia

          So TRUE the right always talks about the opposition being PRO Abortion when the reality is that they are Pro Choice and as you pointed out many times that choice will be to continue the pregnancy .Don’t forget these SAME people are ANTI Birth Control .

        • Sand_Cat

          Wow, was her mother mistaken!

      • W.Elizabeth

        It’s not about being for or against abortion. I believe it’s every woman’s right to do with her body whatever she chooses.

        • gvette

          I guess you’re a fan of Kermit Gosnell!

          • Guest

            I’m guessing you listen to crackheads like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

          • gvette

            And your claim to fame is?

          • Kansan

            Rush was not a “crackhead.” He was addicted to illegal oxycontin, a.k.a., “Hillbilly heroin.”

            Breitbart was an alky and a cokehead, but I don’t know about Beck.

          • Sand_Cat

            I think Beck’s just crazy, or he’s acting that way to make lots of money and to see how many suckers he can pull in.

          • W.Elizabeth

            I’m guessing you’re a fan of Sharia Law!

          • gvette

            Now that’s a foolish comment.

          • gvette
          • W.Elizabeth

            You are so beyond mental and logical repair it’s unreal. Go take your crazy, right-wing agenda to Faux News or something. I hope you get help.

          • gvette

            Ahh yes, I don’t believe in killing, and you do, so with that in mind, I need help?

          • RobertCHastings

            You don’t believe in killing? Apparently you have not read your Bible, one of the bloodiest narratives on the planet.

          • W.Elizabeth

            And you might as well be chanting the same thing with your unnecessary hatred. Take a second look at the Bible and practice a little more of what Jesus taught, because you clearly do not understand.

          • gvette

            you want to kill a baby, and I don’t understand? which bible do you you read?

          • W.Elizabeth

            I am not FOR killing anyone or anything. I simply believe that every woman has a right to her body and whatever she does is not mine or anyone else’s decision.

          • gvette

            Except for the killing part, you’re correct, E.Elizabeth

          • W.Elizabeth

            and this is when I turn the other cheek because clearly there is no reasoning with you. I will agree to disagree, even if you won’t.

          • gvette

            Ok. Have a great 4th!!

          • Kansan

            So you don’t believe in the death penalty?

          • gvette

            No, I don’t believe in it.

          • Kansan

            Amazing.

            Well, at least you have one redeeming quality.

          • RobertCHastings

            So I guess you don’t mind some man who knows absolutely nothing about female anatomy getting all up inside you and telling you what to do with your body? While the American Medical Association can only provide estimates, millions of pregnancies are terminated annually through miscarriage, failure to implant in the uterus, or any of a number of different reasons for non-induced abortions or failures. Who is responsible for that? Or, should I say, Who is responsible for that, and I don’t mean Dr. Who.

          • gvette

            A miscarriage is one thing, Killing a healthy baby is another. I’m guessing you’re a loyal democrat!

          • RobertCHastings

            Abortions are NOT about killing healthy babies. Abortions are about terminating untenable pregnancies. MOST babies that survive the entire process from impregnation to birth are healthy babies, and no one advocates killing them.

          • gvette

            s

            Total number of abortions in the U.S. 1973-2011: 54.5 million+

            234 abortions per 1,000 live births (according to the Centers for Disease Control)
            Abortions per year: 1.2 million
            Abortions per day: 3,288
            Abortions per hour: 137
            9 abortions every 4 minutes
            1 abortion every 26 seconds

          • RobertCHastings

            And how many miscarriages and other failed pregnancies NOT attributable to abortion?

          • Lynda Groom

            Party has nothing to do with reason and logic. I have several friends,what you would call good Christian conservatives, who believe women must control their own bodies. It is against their belief in small government to force a narrow point view into women’s lives. Personal responsibility and freedom of choice must not be dictated by the point of view of others.

          • Kansan

            Which do you read, ‘vette? There are lots of versions.

          • gvette

            King James

          • Kansan

            Oh, sure. That would be the one accepted by the Church of England which was adopted in reign of Henry the VIII, its head, who murdered two of his wives, divorced two more. One died of natural causes and the last survived him.

            He broke away from the Roman Catholic Church of course, because the Pope stood in the way of his divorce from Catherine of Aragon whom he dumped for his new girl friend, Anne Boleyn.

            Henry’s Lord Chancelor, St. Thomas More, protested the relationship with Catherine so Henry murdered More as well.

            You certainly can pick ’em, gvette..

          • gvette

            It contains Gods words. That statement you made, means nothing.

          • RobertCHastings

            God’s “words” as they appear in any English language version of The Bible are NOT verbatim translations of the original Torah and the original Books of The New Testament. As with translating anything from one language to another, much is changed, much is omitted, and there is entirely too much opportunity to insert one’s own agenda. And any attempt to accept your version, or any other version, of the Holy Bible, as the literal revealed Word of God is foolish at best.

          • gvette

            Well, if I were you, I wouldn’t read it. Case closed.

          • RobertCHastings

            As with EVERYTHING I read, I do so with a bit of skepticism. Everything written by men has a purpose, an agenda, and the Bible is no different. The Bible has a history, perhaps you should acquaint yourself with it. The current incarnation of the New Testament does not clearly reflect all of what was being learned and written about Christ during his lifetime or the lifetime of those who actually knew Him, the determination as to what Scriptures were to be included in the New Testament was NOT made by people who knew Christ, but by people who had their own agenda and wanted to establish the authority of a hierarchical church, something Christ abhorred.

          • Lynda Groom

            Why do these sop-called believers always forget that the books contained in the Bible of today were picked by men? Those same men decided that the gospels of Mary and Judas, to name but two, could not be included. So much for the direct word of God stuff.

          • RobertCHastings

            But Lynda, the Bible IS the revealed word of God! And it was given directly to those who chose to be His intercessors. Never mind that these honorable and devoted intercessors inserted their own social and political agenda into what God revealed to them. I find it amazing that so many intelligent Christians(not necessarily an oxymoron) can accept Paul’s claims to knowing Christ better than even the Apostles, especially when he never knew either Christ, or anyone else who knew Christ, he had never heard Christ preach nor had he seen any of Christ’s miracles. And yet his Gospel is given primacy. Four of the Apostles (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) all “wrote” their own versions of Christ’s ministry, yet even the simplest person who reads all four of these Gospels can see they do not even describe the same events they are so different. And the exclusion of the Gospel of Mary is perhaps the most telling of all the omissions, for to have included this would have acknowledged that Christ honored her as an equal among equals, something the Christian church at that time could not have tolerated, nor the Catholic church of today which STILL excludes women from roles of leadership.
            I firmly believe in the Holy Trinity and the teachings of Christ. And as such I cannot accept the teachings of anyone who uses Christ’s teachings on any subject to forward their own personal or political agenda.

          • Sand_Cat

            Paul at least claims to have disputed personally with Peter, if I recall properly. Could be in one of the “Pauline” books written by a forger, or someone who would be called a forger today, however holy the people who put the Bible together thought it was. I haven’t given the Bible much study in years.

          • RobertCHastings

            Much of what is claimed by and about Paul is very much in question. It is my understanding that he was not associated with any of the Apostles. Of course, even that is open to question. If it says it in the Bible, it is not necessarily accurate.

          • RobertCHastings

            Robin R. Meyers has written a book entitled “Saving Jesus From The Church”, and an interesting question he asks is “How do we stop worshipping Christ and start following Jesus?”

          • gvette

            Thank you, i’ll look for it! Enjoy your evening.

          • RobertCHastings

            Thank you for your consideration and civility. I know we disagree(duh). I would not seek to change what you believe, only what you know.

          • Lynda Groom

            Abomination being the perfect example.

          • RobertCHastings

            Have no idea how that looked in Aramaic, or what it had to go through to get to that modern form, and how many personal opinions were injected in that transformation.

          • Lynda Groom

            How do you know who’s words are in the translated version of the book. You do understand that the books of the Bible were written centuries after the life of Christ by desert people…right?

          • gvette

            Ok. what’s your point, Lynda?

          • Sand_Cat

            It’s also one of the less-accurate translations, although more elegant than the others.

          • Lynda Groom

            King James is a translation of another text.

          • Kansan

            I guess if you believe in the “Great Flood,” “Noah’s Ark,” the “Garden of Eden,” the “Parting of the Red Sea,” etc., etc., you may also believe the nonsense you read at WND.

            Do you believe in evolution?

            Do you believe that the world is thousands of years old?

          • gvette

            The earth is about 6 thousand years old.
            Creation.
            i’m guessing you don’t. that’s ok!

          • Kansan

            Well, you’re close, give or take four billion years.

          • metrognome3830

            World News Daily. That explains your attitude quite clearly. Sorry gvette, I don’t think you’re much of a Christian at all.

          • gvette

            LOL…the places I reqad news, doesen’t mean much. You people are funny!

          • metrognome3830

            No, the places you read news doesn’t mean much. What sources you choose to believe doesn’t mean much either. When you choose to lecture others on what to believe and mock their beliefs doesn’t mean much either. But you can certainly expect some feedback. You can regard that as funny. But you are also in the minority here. It’s the hallmark of the ultra-conservative. When people oppose your ideas, you mock them. That’s why I say you’re not really a good Christian.

          • RobertCHastings

            World News Daily? Really? You do hang with a crowd of hypocrites and derelicts, don’t you!

          • gvette

            I read news from a lot of places. You on the other hand enjoy reading the Obama daily news.

          • RobertCHastings

            The Obama administration is not currently publishing a daily news. However, the public media do cover him extensively, which is part of their job.

          • gvette

            LOL…I had to catch my breath from laughing. MSN hasen’t told any truth about Barry, ever. If that’s all you’re reading, you believe he’s born in this country.

          • RobertCHastings

            Who brought up MSN? I sure didn’t. And Fox speaks truth regarding Obama? Fox News, a subsidiary of NewsCorp which is owned by Rupert Murdock, has no interest in the truth, only viewership. Sean Hannity wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bared its buttocks to him.

          • gvette

            Trust me, i gave up on Fox!

          • RobertCHastings

            Then to whom do you turn as an honest, reliable, verifiable source for your news? WND is biased in favor of the extreme right, and a reading of their coverage and a comparison of it to a more mainstream source is ample evidence of that, as is true of other BLOGS, like The Rightsource.

          • gvette

            The Blaze is also a source.

          • RobertCHastings

            The Blaze is a source where you can go to verify your opinions, not receive the truth.
            Pro-lifers characterize their opponents as abortion advocates, while NOT all who advocate a woman’s right to make that choice would themselves make that choice. Your opponents are NOT all abortion advocates, but they are all in favor of allowing a woman to personally make that choice, along with other choices about her body that so many conservative men feel they are more qualified to make for them. Conservatives frequently make the choice for women to not have forms of birth prevention available, or even part of the equation, to NOT receive and appropriate education regarding sexual activity, to NOT do those things that would reasonably prevent STD’s, etc. ANY person, male OR female, has the right to make choices regarding their own bodies.

          • Kansan

            The American Taliban don’t call it that, of course, although they too are theocrats.

          • Kansan

            I guess you’re a fan of:

            Jimmy Swaggart.
            Ted Haggard
            Paul Crouch
            Jim Bakker
            Bob Larson
            Benny Hinn
            Pat Roberts
            Oral Roberts
            Jerry Falwell
            Gene Scott
            Billy Graham
            Franklin Graham
            James Dobson
            Billy James Hargis
            Warren Jeffs

          • gvette

            I believe in God. just that easy.

          • Kansan

            Why did you make that stupid “fan” remark about Kermit Gosnell, in response to W. Elizabeth?

          • metrognome3830

            Now that was definitely NOT a Christian reply, gvette.

          • gvette

            In your opinion. I guess you’re an expert on everything!

          • metrognome3830

            In my opinion and apparently the opinion of many others. I’m not an expert on many things, but how does that make me different from you?

          • Lynda Groom

            Non-sequitur.

        • quasm

          If it is her body, does she have two heads, four arms, four legs, etc.?

    • quasm

      Maybe you would be happier had you been aborted?

    • jointerjohn

      A GENUINE conservative would argue that the government has no business in this very personal matter. These are not conservatives at all. A genuine conservative would argue that whether one is heterosexual or homosexual is none of the government’s business. A genuine conservative would argue that workers have the right to organize into unions and negotiate for a closed shop. These are sexist, religious bigots masquerading as conservatives.

  • Catskinner

    I guess that puts radical Islam and the pro-choice people on the same side.

    • Sand_Cat

      What does?

      • Catskinner

        One of the downsides of this two-party system we seem to be stuck with, SC, is if one side claims a position, the other side inherits the opposite position by default. I wish we had a strong third party, but it never seems to happen.

        • DurdyDawg

          That’s because we are looking for this to happen out of the blue some six months before a major election and it will never happen this way.. What we need to do is find a formidable runner who has the same ideals we have and a craving to lead with respect and constitutionally then set up a fund each giving $1.00 a month until 2016 and by then we will have a tough challenger for these two pseudo clones.

          • Catskinner

            But any effort to support a third party, DD, is quickly attacked by both major parties. Which lends support to those who claim there isn’t a nickle’s worth of difference between them.

  • Robert Cruder

    The Koran’s words do not justify the Taliban. They CHOOSE the mullah’s interpretation that gives losers a path to power.

    The Bible ignored abortion. Exodus said death was the penalty for murder but Exodus 21:22-23 made offspring mere property. Causing a miscarriage was a civil dispute over damages. Leviticus 27:6 and Numbers 3:15-16 went further by saying infants under one month had no value.

    Israel’s neighbors said all offspring belonged to the king. Causing a miscarriage was treason punishable by execution and depositing the body outside of the city walls. Israel could have copied that but intentionally did not.

    Psalms 139:13-15 suggested that a fetus had a soul but did not specify an age of gestation and may be poetic license.

    There would be no anti-abortion movement without the Roman Catholic church. My catechism said that the sacrament of Confirmation was delayed until age 7-8 (later in some rites) because a child could not make moral commitments. The sister who taught it was confused because her catechism had said the soul did not enter the body at all before that age.

    Think about that! The same church that could not accuse Hansel and Gretel’s parents now justifies the murder of physicians.

    The Taliban of Christianity also CHOOSE what gives losers a path to power.

  • Lynda Groom

    Those folks who are so afraid of Sharia law are the same ones who are afraid of the uterus, same sex marriage, Planned Parenthood, Public Radio, Black Helicopters and the changing demographics of America. Fear, hate and distrust is what keeps them up at night longing for the good ole days when the above knew their place. The Constitution is the law of the land and the only law of the land.

  • Sand_Cat

    What astounds me about this is the apparent surprise of the opponents. Why should they have expected anything but a good old American Sharia law to combat the real thing. After at least 13-14 years of ever-increasing insanity, why are the Democrats still caught flat-footed every time?

  • docb

    This is the southern faux christian SHARIA Law…..Sneak attack is all they have when little white guys are screwing the women that want power over. Repugnant.

  • Bill

    Why do people vote the GOP into power? The GOP has shown time after time what they will do if in power. They talk about less government but they want to make your personal decisions for you, wake up and smell what they are pushing!!!!

  • EZ2figure

    IF we are going to block religious faiths in our states, let’s do away with all of them, to be fair. We don’t need all the Christian shove it down our throats because we are women religion. Let’s do away with that one, too!

  • catnip2430

    Until all of those GOPers get a medical degree I really don’t see how they are qualified to make medical decisions for anyone.

    I also think that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is real sex ed. and human sexuality classes and unlimited access to all forms of birth control to those who want them. The whole abstinence only form of sex ed. is a fail from the start, teens are curious and saying “don’t do this” is a sure way to ensure they will. We were all teens once and I know very, very few of us waited until marriage.
    PS I was 15 my first time

  • The best Birth control yet is still the same, Abstinence!!
    Have Sex, just be smart, unless you want a child……but Life is Life and must be considered Sacred!!

  • Mike Bertolino

    What about the rights of the unborn?. It is not just the woman, the doctor , and God , and it is not just a choice , it is a child .I do not think legality quite fits the bill here . This is not recent history . In ancient Greece the was what was called a mount of rejection;. where children were unwanted were thrown off. What is the answer here I do not know , but I do remember slick Willie ( President Clinton ) saying concerning abortion that it should be legal and it should be RARE. (infrequent).I believe that sufficently describes an enlighted attitude. I would much rather see universal contraception to prevent situations where abortion becomes neccessary. Contraception and children keeping their clothes on should be taught in high school . There are two woman who have shared my life at one time or another who have had the procedure (abortion ) done . Both of them regretted it years later. I do not believe the caselaw of Roe V Wade is going away any time soon , but we need to balance it with the understanding that the woman is carrying a life and if the natural parents do not want the child that the life will occupy I am sure someone else will.