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Monday, January 21, 2019

There’s a schism in North Carolina’s solidly Republican government: The state Senate and House have both voted to override Republican governor Pat McCrory’s veto of a bill that requires some welfare recipients to be drug tested.

The North Carolina House of Representatives voted Tuesday to override the vetoes of two bills: the welfare drug-testing bill, and an immigration bill that provides employers a way to sidestep use of the federal E-Verify system to check the legal status of employees. On Wednesday morning, the North Carolina state Senate followed suit, voting to override Governor McCrory’s vetoes by a wide margin. Despite an active lobbying effort by McCrory, the vote faced no debate in the Senate and was passed in just six minutes.

H.B. 392, the welfare drug-testing bill (now North Carolina state law), requires the state to test any Work First welfare recipient whom the agency “reasonably suspects” is involved in illegal drug use. In his veto message, Governor McCrory argued the drug-testing requirement would cost too much and be ineffective in curbing substance abuse. He also argued the previous Work First welfare law required substance abuse screening for any Work First welfare applicant. No drug test was required, however.

Rep. Jim Fulghum, the only North Carolina House Republican to vote against the drug bill, described the testing requirement as, “kicking a man while he is down.” He added, “I just don’t think this is a useful addition to the law.”

The North Carolina chapter of the ACLU further rebuked the new law. “It’s very disappointing that the legislature put so much effort into passing this cruel and constitutionally suspect bill,” their statement reads. “H.B. 392 does nothing to help those who test positive for drug use get treatment, but it does allow the government to conduct costly, unnecessary, and unreasonably intrusive searches of North Carolinians who seek public assistance to care for their families.”

Similar welfare drug-testing laws introduced in states like Utah have shown just how ineffective and costly they are. In Utah, the state spent over $25,000 to test 466 welfare applicants; only 12 of the 466 applicants (.0025 percent) tested positive for illegal drugs.

Meanwhile, the new immigration law creates “a loophole that could cost legal North Carolinians jobs,” according to McCrory. Under the new law, employers do not have to check the legal status of temporary workers hired for nine months or less against the federal E-Verify system.

While Democratic law makers by and large supported the E-Verify measure, Republicans were divided. “We’re going to become a magnet for illegal aliens,” said Rep. George Cleveland (R-Onslow). “It’s the wrong thing to do. The governor is right.”

Despite the intra-party spat over these bills, North Carolina Senate President Pro Tempore Phil Berger (R-Rockingham) says the state party is not divided. He argued that the House and Senate have only disagreed with the governor on three issues: the two veto overrides and a state law prohibiting Islamic law in family court, which the governor did not sign, but let become law.

“I think that’s a remarkable achievement for a group of legislators and a sitting governor to have that much consensus on major legislation,” Berger said after the vote.

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110 responses to “North Carolina Senate Votes To Override Veto Of Welfare Drug-Testing Bill”

  1. dxsmopuim says:

    Every last worthless welfare suckin’ piece of sh! t in the country should be drug tested along with any inhabitants of the house they live in or “stays at”. Every working person in the nation has to put up with pre employment and random drug testing. If I am paying your bills, you have no say, only I do. YOU live under MY roof. If you don’t like the rules, GET A JOB AND MOVE OUT ON YOUR OWN!

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Wrong…Every white lightenin’, swaggering, drawling boozing, gun owner should be drug tested. You are a moron. NC only wants this drug testing because NC doesn’t pay for welfare out of state funds. That means the rest of the states are paying for NC’s welfare people…furthermore ..NC has one of the lowest per individual incomes in the country. And you wonder why they go on welfare?

      NC secretaries and administrative assistants are paid $12,000 a year compared to NY where the same job pays $40K..Another Great White Angry Fat Gut Middle Aged man who has a welfare ax to grind…Pay your employees living wages and they won’t need to go on welfare the rest of us pay for…better yet…Stop handing NC state taxes to your crony capitalists and pay for welfare out of your state funds.

      • ceverettham says:

        I don’t understand where the gun owner part came from in your comment but it doesn’t matter. The rest of it is just as useless.

        • charleo1 says:

          No, she got it right. Pay employees a living wage, and eliminate
          welfare. Don’t believe me, or the crooks. Look at the system.
          The vast majority of public benefits is paid to people who have
          jobs. Look, if I have a job I need done, I shouldn’t expect you to
          pitch in, and help me pay the freight on a person I need to run
          my business. Then, stick the extra money in my pocket. And,
          gripe, because I don’t even want to pay taxes on the money
          I scammed the system to make in the first place. No, I want
          you to pay it. I want my business taxes lowered, even if your property taxes go up. I want you to keep the community
          hospital open, so my employees will have a place to receive their medical care, I won’t provide them. I want your school taxes to go up, rather than mine. My kids attend private school. So, you can pay for the one my employees use. If my policies degrade your quality of life, I don’t live on your side of town anyway, you deal with it. Or get your own lobbyist, and cut
          your own tax deals. I’ve got mine Jack.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The contards never face the reality that they can’t stagnate salaries for 10 years while they increase the prices on bare necessities. This is what the “ignernts” in DogPatch don’t want to admit much less face up to. They didn’t lose the Civil War for no reason…it took a heap of “ignernce” to do that.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Yet another typical liberal response – talk about everything EXCEPT the question at hand – the stagnation of salaries and the explosion of inflation is 100% due to obama and his liberal cronies. 80% of the jobs created under obama are PART time service industry jobs. The single most worthless job you can possibly create. Take a look at the facts through any government website and see them for yourself.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Are you nuts or just play one on this message board?

          • dxsmopuim says:

            And yet again, the typical liberal response offering no debate or fact. Here is just ONE fact for you to review for yourself. The head of the AFL-CIO said in an interview just yesterday. This is the head of the American Federation of Labor – HUGE union and HUGE OBAMANITE ! Google the interview and watch it for yourself. “obamacare is the single largest DESTROYER of jobs in America today. Why on earth would all the unions that supported obama and obamacare be demanding an exemption from it ? Why would your own democrat congressman be demanding that they and all their employees be exempt from it ? Why would all federal employee unions be demanding the same exemption from it ? If obama and the democrats had ever made a single good decision why would everyone want OUT of every plan they invent ? obama and democrats and liberals are the reason America is not working.

          • charleo1 says:

            Experts, and economists do not agree with you. What is it
            about an economy that was losing 800,000 jobs per month,
            when Obama took office. That Obama, and his, “Liberal Cronies,” have done to create these part time jobs? Your
            inflation number is outrageously incorrect. And, what is
            a President supposed to do, when the economy he inherits
            has lost 8 million jobs in the two prior years before he took
            office? You sound like a guy that walks up on a scene,
            and wonders why these guys showed up in a big red truck,
            and set this perfectly good house on fire? And, by the way!
            Look at all the water they are wasting!

          • Allan Richardson says:

            Interesting that Obama has been keeping salaries stagnant for the last 3 or 4 decades when he has only been in government in ANY position since 2002. Why do you conservatives who are NOT rich make excuses for the evil rich (not all rich, just the evil rich) who run the private sector, and with the collusion of their bought and paid for legislators, have taken jobs out of America since the early 1980’s? If you knew who was REALLY the cause of your misery, you would BE a liberal. If it got you REALLY ticked off, you might even go too far and be a communist (but I wouldn’t recommend it).

          • charleo1 says:

            I once heard Rick Perry, you know the guy who couldn’t
            remember all the government agencies he wanted to shut
            down? He was talking of his beloved Aggies never losing a
            game, just running out of time. Well, for many of these people,
            the clock on the Civil War is still running. I also have to believe
            that somewhere beneath that growing beer gut, and alcoholic
            haze, they have quite moments of clarity. When they realize
            calling for lower wages, the elimination of pensions, and lower
            taxes for the wealthy, and corporations, is sharpening the
            knife that could very well cut their economic throat one of
            these days. Their foolish solution unfortunately, is winning the Civil War, and reestablishing the White male dominated power structure.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            America has or had a FREE MARKET ECONOMY which means you get paid what you are worth. It is a very simple equation that even a liberal SHOULD be able to understand but their disease inhibits rational comprehension. If you have a skill, a talent, an ability, a high IQ, a stellar work ethic or an education you are worth MORE and if you have NONE of these things you are worth less. The fact that you are worth LESS is your own CHOICE and therefore your own RESPONSIBILITY !

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Well, I wonder who collects your garbage and fixes your roads? The time is coming when these people will tell you to shove it up your nose or lower orifice because they refuse to be slaves.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            The people that collect my garbage are called “garbage men” and they make more money than I do with better benefits. I pay them to provide a necessary service. The people that repair my roads work for what ever company won the contract to do so. They are paid to provide a necessary service. They also make more money than I do and have better benefits. Exactly where in this debate did I say I have any problem paying for actual services rendered ? Again, another typical liberal response from a non functioning mind. Avoid the question at hand, attempt to change the subject. When all your argument fail as they ultimately will, attack the person you are debating with nonsense.

          • jrj1701 says:

            Again your facts are wrong? If a trash-man is making more than you with better benefits, then you must live somewhere where things are an exception to the rules, the same with road workers, the only ones that are well paid are the foremen, drivers, and supervisors. The government has been doing like Wal Mart for a good while.

          • charleo1 says:

            What do you think about a recession that has a lot of people
            out of work. So big employers, like Wal Mart, are paying people less than it costs them to live? So, they send them down to
            the Government welfare office, and tell them, with part time
            minimum wages, they’ll qualify for food stamps, child care,
            rent subsidies, and medicaid. Now, who’s free economy is it?
            So, now they’ve got the Communist Government in China,
            setting the $60.00 buck per month factory worker’s wages. Making the crap the U.S. Government subsidized labor is selling
            to an American public that’s having a hard time paying for all this free market Capitalism you’re selling. So, what was all
            that irrational, inhibition, to rational comprehension, stuff you
            were jabbering about?

          • jrj1701 says:

            Your lack of compassion is sad, your grasp of the facts are laughable, although telling you the facts could be a waste of time, because you want to see how everybody else has messed up this country and refuse to take responsibility for participation in it. You have defended the one percent and they aren’t even grateful because they believe that you are here to serve their purposes. Answer me this, if it is all a matter of personal choice then what about those that are born mentally deficient??? Where was their choice???

        • Allan Richardson says:

          The gun owner part comes from the fact that there is NOTHING to stop a felon, a mentally ill person, a drug addict, or a terrorist on the no fly list from buying a gun, as long as he buys it from a private seller at a gun show or through a personal ad or Ebay auction. Background checks are ONLY done when buying a gun from a LICENSED DEALER AT THE DEALER’S STORE. So maybe we need both background checks AND drug screening to buy a gun. If you are a drug addict it is extremely unlikely that you want a gun to be part of a “well regulated militia” or that you will show proper judgement in its use.

          • ceverettham says:

            The article is about drug testing welfare recipients not gun purchasers or gun control.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Then why did you bring it up?

          • ceverettham says:

            I did not bring it up.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Methinks this poster is either on drugs and has memory probs as a result or can’t read his own posts. As I said,….”ignernt”

          • dxsmopuim says:

            These are liberals ceverettham – don’t even try to figure logic and reason into the debate.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            You are correct. My apologies on that score.
            As to everything else, dxsmopuim has voiced support for just about every evil there is in such a manner as to show both profound ignorance and perhaps mental illness, and you seem to have felt it necessary to defend him/her.
            I have not read your other posts, so I cannot say if you specifically voiced support for all his insanities, but I gather you sympathize with the idea of adding further humiliation to the lives of those who have trouble supporting themselves – often in spite of their best efforts – not because you have any legitimate suspicion, but simply because you think you can get away with it legally and have the malice to do so.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            If you can afford a gun, you are not poor. Too damn bad if you have to contribute to welfare. It doesn’t come out of NC state taxes. And, if it keeps 2.5% of American children from starving, what business is that of yours? How about you put your money where your misguided mouth is and start policing the sex maniacs in your own gender?

          • dxsmopuim says:

            It’s my business because it is my money. My money is MY LIFE. 6 months of MY LIFE are STOLEN from me every year by this government. What gives them the right to steal my life ? My money feeds my family. I have no responsibility for your family. They are your family. I don’t care if children starve. They are not my children. They are no more than stray animals to me. I didn’t create them. They are not my responsibility. Where did this government conceive of the notion that every hard working American MUST provide for a pet that they do not own ? I am going to buy a dog tomorrow Eleanore and YOU are going to pay for all it’s food and water and housing and medical costs and waste disposal. Send me your address so I can send you the bills. I have perfect credit so please be sure to pay them in a timely manner and you have no choice in the matter. You either pay or you go to jail ! THAT is welfare ! Everything I am forced to give to them takes away from my family. What gives you the right to take anything away from my children ? Answer that question. WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO STEAL FROM MY CHILDREN ?

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Children are nothing more than animals to you? You are a filthy POS. I will not respond to your shi@ any more because you are not worth any reply.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            MY children are PRICELESS works of art to be treasured immeasurably throughout every split second of my life. It’s YOUR children that I don’t give a sh!t about and I see that no one here can actually answer the questions at hand which I proposed. “What gives you the right to steal from MY children in order to support YOUR children?” Again, the typical liberal response. Avoid the question, change the subject, attack with mindless name calling and bullying when your stance fails miserably.

          • jrj1701 says:

            Yet again the poor ain’t stealing from you, the selfish rich are stealing from you and convincing you that it is the poor or the unions or the Muslims or whoever they might need for you to hate so you will keep on being their loyal little maniac.

          • Allan Richardson says:

            If half your life is stolen from you to pay taxes, you obviously are not wealthy enough to be a conservative. The really wealthy conservatives pay almost nothing, because they lobbied for the loopholes that make the rest of us, including you, pay their share of taxes. And remember, taxes are not “stolen” from you, they are the dues of living in a civilized society.

            So a child, who has not broken any laws, can be saved from starvation by taking a few pints of ice cream a year from kids like yours. But you would rather let the child starve.

          • Allan Richardson says:

            By the way, if you justify that attitude with your religion, you might want to think of a better sounding way to explain it some day to your God. Matthew 25 sounds like Comrade Jesus to me.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Money was Madoff life too…Where is it now? Where’d he get it? The same way you get yours? Skim a little here, skank a little there? We all know about those NC contractors who work 3 hours and demand a week’s salary for 3 hours of work.

            What gives NC the right to steal from ME? My taxes pay for the welfare people in NC…which by the way is one of the top 10 in welfare states.

            You are forced to pay taxes because we are not going to allow you to dump the cost of wars which by the way NC profits from as a gun running state in the top 4 in the US…more of my tax dollars in NC’s state coffers. What gives YOU THE RIGHT TO THINK YOU DON’T HAVE TO PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE LIKE THE REST OF US DO?

          • jrj1701 says:

            It is all about you you you. And you are scared and have helped contribute to the dire situation this country is in, and we will not get out of this by being scared selfish cowards. It is the easiest thing in the world to fall to fear and the hardest thing to face some fearful coward and say I see your fear and I will not let your fear hurt others. You helped support those that have been gutting this country of good paying jobs and have believed them when they said it was the fault of the liberals and the bleeding hearts. They laugh at you and keep pumping you up and then pointing you at those that are less fortunate than you while they steal what was suppose to be for your food from your kids. The real thieves live in mansions and despise those that are less fortunate and less ruthless than them.Life is not a game of win at all costs and worry only about me me me. Life is about something more precious and needful.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Go to the FBI website – less than one quarter of one percent of gun purchases are transacted illegally within the United States. The number will not get any smaller regardless of any new laws passed – they will only impede the tax paying law abiding citizens in their quest to legally purchase a legal weapon. Ebay does not allow gun sales – Craigslist does not allow gun sales. Selling of a weapon without FFL carries a very severe punishment unless of course you are in the DOJ and then you can give them away to criminals and there are repercussions when people are murdered with those same weapons.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            How would we know since these purchases are not recorded?
            Purchasing a gun is a quest?

          • dxsmopuim says:

            You can call a gun purchase what ever you want. Here it takes me all of 3 minutes and $15.00 to journey through the legal system and obtain a legal weapon through legal means. In some states it takes weeks or months and costs hundreds if not thousands of dollars. My choice of the word “quest” is a matter of semantics. Choose your own word. It is irrelevant. How the FBI arrives at their own statistics, I have no idea. All I know is what I can read from their website. Perhaps you might want to address whoever it is at the FBI that assembles and disseminates such information.

          • jrj1701 says:

            Would rather try and get through your fear that the ones you are taking it out on are not the ones that are the cause of your problems. The ones that you support are.

          • charleo1 says:

            You know what you’re saying is the best way to eliminate
            all the law breaking, is to eliminate the laws. Gun shows
            have two sellers. One is a licensed dealer. The other a private
            individual, that has acquired his stock from other private sales.
            If you’re a criminal, which one of these guys are you going to?
            I can’t believe this issue is beyond your ability to correctly
            describe in your arguments aganist background checks.

          • Allan Richardson says:

            I admit I was wrong about Ebay and Craigslist, but then I have never been interested in buying or selling a gun anyway. But wouldn’t an ILLEGAL transaction, by definition, be invisible in the FBI records anyway, except for the few that get caught?

            I won’t go into the accusations about Fast and Furious; that has been hashed out over and over and found to be partisan and bogus.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          You don’t understand where the gun owner part came in? Have you seen the price of guns lately? Those in NC who cry “Poor Rich! Poor Rich!” always seems to have enough to spend on SUV gas guzzlers and guns don’t they. When it comes to pay fair and equal salaries, suddenly they become overburdened taxpayers who get wads of their tax cuts down to the bone and still can’t live on the annual salary increases they get …all while they stiff everyone else in NC. You are useless if you can’t act like a man and not a shill of the rich. Boi oh boi…your post sure does prove how “ignernt” the south has become.

          • ceverettham says:

            These rich people as you call them pay more in taxes then you do and it still isn’t enough for you leftist nutjobs.
            I wasn’t going to resort to name calling but when in Rome, you are the ignernt one.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You sir are an unmitigated liar. Bush handed tax cuts in 2001 , 2004 and 2008 to the rich …The Goverment Accountability Office (GAO) in 2005 reported that a single tax cut increased the wealth of the 1% by 11%. You got the balls to verify that on the GAO website? I thought not.

          • ceverettham says:

            Liar I am not done with you I am.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            You were done before you began to put up a moronic post. Now do be a good little angry white confederate and stuff that rag Stars and Bars where the sun doesn’t shine.

          • ceverettham says:

            Good bye dumb asssss.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Just like most cowards…runs the minute he can’t win an argument. Anything to avoid admitting he’s wrong.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            And those tax cuts created how many MILLIONS of well paying jobs with benefits ? You just don’t understand America and you never will.

          • Allan Richardson says:

            Apparently none, because the more the taxes on the wealthy were cut, the more jobs were lost, and the more they said they needed to have even MORE cuts, and THEN they might create a few more jobs.

            The rich are not the job creators. The less-than-rich spending money to buy things are the job creators.

          • Mike Maricle says:

            ZERO

          • dxsmopuim says:

            So basically you are whining because other people have become successful and you have not. Because others have something and you do not ? That is generally the argument between my 2 and 4 year old children. Which is the perfect analogy for the liberal mind disease.

      • dxsmopuim says:

        Another typical liberal response – the question was regarding DRUG TESTING OF WELFARE RECIPIECTS – the question in debate is not about gun owners – the question in debate is not about secretaries nor administrative assistants – the question in debate is not about living wages – the question in debate is about DRUG TESTING FOR WELFARE RECIPIENTS – should it be required or should it not – THAT is the question in debate. YES, I believe it SHOULD BE REQUIRED – I have to do it so they should have to do it. I pay their bills – they should not even have a voice in the matter.

        • ceverettham says:

          I guess that I am not the only person here that understands.
          Thank You

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Liberal is a disease of the mind. It can not be cured. It completely inhibits reason and logic. It circumvents the normal thought process and stagnates the human mind in a quagmire of adolescent emotional distress. The liberal mind can not comprehend factual evidence and continuously blames others for their own inabilities, lack of personal responsibility and poor decisions. There is no excuse for being poor in America other than your own lack of determination or self esteem.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Yes doctor. We can see by your posts that you obviously have the intelligence and training to diagnose illnesses.

          • Sand_Cat says:

            I thought you were done, but then, since your post apparently saying so was somewhat incoherent, perhaps I misunderstood.

        • Allan Richardson says:

          You were not reading what I said originally: that if welfare recipients are reasonable suspects to be drug tested, then other people who take government money, such as candidates for public office, and people who want to buy guns, should be tested to make sure they are not on drugs.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          You red staters are the laughing stock of the world. Your backward culture is so ridiculous. We know why YOU want drug testing of people on welfare…You actually think you are fooling educated people? Can we drug test you? Drug testing should not be required for welfare people because that’s a discrimination and violation of their human and civil rights. Something the aholes in NC don’t think anyone but pearly whites have a right to. Grow up. You aren’t the only one who pays for welfare…So what the hell do you care? And welfare doesn’t come out of NC state taxes. What about that don’t the stupids in NC get? It’s paid for by federal taxes. That means 49 other states taxpayers pay for it. Get off that pity pot.

    • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG says:

      Every last worthless welfare suckin’ piece of sh! t Corporation in the country should be drug tested along with any family members of the executives or household members.

      Every last worthless welfare suckin’ piece of sh! t Elected Republican Official in the country should be drug tested along with any inhabitants of the house they live in or “stays at”.

    • charleo1 says:

      Feel better? Well, if Right Wing ranting helped, we’d all be driving Caddies
      by now. The facts are, you may support these politicians passing Right to work laws, and, striking down fair pay standards, as government intrusion into the free market. Agree with cutting education, and job training. And, a generous tax policy for big corporate players in your State. Agree refusing
      to raise the minimum wage is a good idea. Or participating in healthcare reform is a bad idea. Even give employers who feel American citizens still have too much pull on the job, a way to continue to hire illegally, and further depress local wages. But then, you don’t get to beat up part time, minimum wage Wall Mart employees. They didn’t support the politicians that rigged the system, and sent you the bill, you did. They don’t believe in paying a living wage. They believe in paying part of their employees salary, then sending you the bill for the rest. And you’re mad at the poor people? That’s what makes you such a fool in all of this. You’re mad, and their wasting more of your money on a program that has wasted money everywhere it’s been set up. So, why do they do it? They do it for you. That’s right. They’ve got you thinking the reason you’re getting a big tax bill, is there is this big population of drug using moochers out there, and, they’re helping you out! They are playing you for a fool. is what they are doing. They’ve pulled this crap all across the Country. And now, they are pulling it on you. And you’re letting them!

    • oldtack says:

      Are you a worthless welfare sucking piece of corporation shit or are you a worthless welfare sucking Tea Party shit?
      Whichever – it is evident to everyone – you definitely ARE a worthless piece of shit and a blight to this Nation.

      • dxsmopuim says:

        Well, I don’t think anyone in the tea party is on welfare – I believe that is the entire point of that party – stand on your own two feet – support yourself and your own family – pay for your own responsibilities – accept the consequences of your own decisions – I believe that is their core mantra – I definitely do not believe that you or anyone else has the right to STEAL one half of my hard earned money and give it away to anyone else. That’s just theft no matter how your warped twisted thought process attempts to justify it. You are taking food from my table, out of my children’s mouths, clothes off their back and you are forcing me under threat of imprisonment to support someone else’s family. What gives you the right to do that ? What gives you the right to steal from me and my family ? Every working person in America is required to take drug tests before and during their employment. Explain to me WHY the TAX PAYERS should have to take drug tests and the parasites that feed off of them should not ? How does that make any sense what so ever ? Take your time, study the questions and ANSWER them logically.

        • Justin Napolitano says:

          Are you kidding me. There are more tea party people on welfare than any other group.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Can you show me any facts or direct me to any information which might support your statement ? The topic of discussion is whether or not welfare parasites should be subjected to drug screening. Please make an effort to stay on topic.

        • disqus_fsqeoY3FsG says:

          You state: “I definitely do not believe that you or anyone else has the right to STEAL one half of my hard earned money and give it away to anyone else.” Response: So you believe the that the Constitution authorized the Government to “steal” your money. If you are paying 1/2 your income in taxes, you need to get someone else to do your taxes. Does not the Constitution say “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States. You state: “What gives you the right to steal from me and my family ?” Response: Again no one is stealing, but do you and your family expect to be protected from our Countries enemies? Do you and your family use our roads to travel to and from work, school etc.? Do you and your family use our National Parks? If a hard working family who has paid their fair share in taxes until they fall upon hard times, should our Country turn our back on them and say too bad your employer is or was a failure. You state: Every working person in America is required to take drug tests before and during their employment. Response: That is not factual, Some employers require a drug test before and during their employment – not all. I have worked since I was 16 years old and have never been required to take a drug test to get hired or during my employment. You state: Explain to me WHY the TAX PAYERS should have to take drug tests and the parasites that feed off of them should not ? Response: Previous response explains your false assumption and since you want to put labels on people in need, are we allowed to put one on you “Faux Human Being” who is a Low Information Voter because you only listen to Faux News.

    • Mark Forsyth says:

      The Doctor should have spanked your Mama for giving birth to such an idiot.You were not done any favors when she continually dropped you on your head.

    • Justin Napolitano says:

      Just as long as you are one of the people that gets tested. Because, who knows. you might be driving drunk and high on grass or crack.

      • dxsmopuim says:

        I already acknowledged the fact that I have been subjected to drug testing. The point was “if I have to do it – you have to do it !” Obviously you can not debate that fact or there would some form of actual argument in your comments but instead there is only liberal bullying which you so admonish.

    • jrj1701 says:

      Yet again I have to say that you ain’t paying for welfare personally, you are enjoying a system that protects you and provides an infrastructure that you enjoy. Also a point you are not seeing is that most folks on welfare are trying to stay eligible for a legal job, so they ain’t doing illegal drugs. So you want us to waste precious resources to assure you that nobody is getting high or screwing on your dime. GET A REAL LIFE!!!!

    • Justin Napolitano says:

      Especially you.

  2. Hutchbilly says:

    They would come out better testing the general population, where about 8-10% use illegal drugs, rather than the 2.57% of welfare recipients (the obvious answer to the question why to robbers rob banks). All the testing shows is that welfare recipients are more law abiding citizens.

    • Allan Richardson says:

      But if they tested ALL citizens that would be a violation of our freedoms.

      Funny how the same people who want to shrink government want to expand government bureaucracy to torment (financially at least) people they don’t like.

      Maybe it has to do with whose “donor base” makes a profit from the testing.

      • dxsmopuim says:

        Actually testing ANY citizen is COMPLETLEY ILLEGAL AND UNCONSTITIONAL. It is a direct violation of your 5th amendment right against self incrimination and a violation of your search and seizure rights. Somehow it became legal although it is obviously illegal. The drug testing has nothing to do with tormenting people. It has everything to do with equality, fairness and holding EVERYONE to the same standard ! If I am forced to do it – you are forced to do it also.

        • Allan Richardson says:

          Actually, I agree with you on this. Unfortunately, there is no law that CORPORATIONS cannot force drug testing as a condition of employment. Also unfortunately, the courts have carved out a “public safety” exception to the 5th Amendment, because voters are terrified by the thought of a pilot, for example, high on meth, and the after-the-fact threat of conviction is not considered deterrent enough. Once that happened, the “public safety” criterion has expanded to office workers who might get paper cuts. And of course, to welfare recipients. The actual reason for those drug tests is not to catch drug users, it is to kick people when they are down. Statistics quoted by others actually show that the welfare recipients test positive at a LOWER rate than the general population; possibly because criminally inclined poor people don’t ask for welfare, they just commit crimes to get the money they want.

          And by the way, you yourself admitted that no GOVERNMENT forces you to get drug screens. But it is GOVERNMENT that passed the drug-test-to-get-welfare law. And remember, welfare is not JUST to take from “good” folks like you who “never” have financial reverses to give to “bad” folks who just don’t care. It is like public INSURANCE, to which we all pay while we are solvent, and which will help ANY of us who have bad luck financially. If too many of us are BORN with bad luck, that is another question, which we are not asking often enough.

          “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.” –Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      The reality some Bull males don’t want to admit is that the 2.5% on welfare are women with children abandoned by irresponsible males. As our wonderful president so eloquently stated…”You aren’t a man because you can make a child. You’re a man when you raise a child for 20 years” If we went after the irresponsible men in this country who make babies they have no intentions of sticking around for 20 years to raise, we wouldn’t need welfare.

      • dxsmopuim says:

        The women made the CHOICE to get pregnant, therefore they are RESPONSIBLE for their own decisions. The “men” made the CHOICE not to support the women they impregnated nor the children they created, therefore they are RESPONSIBLE for their own decisions. These are not MY decisions. These are the decisions and choices of other people. I have no control over their decisions and I am NOT responsible for their actions nor the result of their actions. The number of people receiving government assistance in America is now over 100 MILLION. That is one third of the nation. If 100 MILLION Americans had AIDS do you think someone would try to solve the problem or do you think the government would try to entice MORE people to get AIDS ?

        • Justin Napolitano says:

          Well, North Carolina does not want abortions and it does not want birth control so I guess it just wants abstinence as a means to stop pregnancy. Well that isn’t going to happen so NC will just have to raise all of the children they take away from the parents that are suspected of drug abuse.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            This statement is not factual – you can have your abortions – you can have your birth control – Just don’t ask me to pay for either. It is YOUR decision. If you can’t afford birth control – KEEP YOUR LEGS CROSSED – if you can’t afford an abortion – KEEP YOUR LEGS CROSSED. As far as the children produced by irresponsible mindless obamanites. If I have to pay for them, I might as well be raising them anyway.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            How about YOU keep it in your pants? Do women asked to be raped and impregnated? Or do you men all think sticking it in whereever you want is a right of manhood? Grow up. Take responsibility. Your posts only prove how irresponsible some men in this country are.

            NC men are the laziest men in the country. They sit on their verandas sipping their mint juleps while they stiff women and minorities. The days of Big Daddy getting it all is over. The HAVES in this country only take…they never give. If you can’t give of yourself for those who need help, you show what kind of selfish, spoiled ass the McParents raised.

          • Mike Maricle says:

            Too bad your mother didn’t follow that advice.

          • Yvette White says:

            she could not help herself its that Inbreeding that go’s on with most white family, they always finding out that the mother is really their sister, because her father had sex with her then she had sex with him and give birth to her little sister or brother, its in their blood

          • Yvette White says:

            and if your Bitch ass mother had not fuck her father to get your dumb ass, and she should have Crossed her legs then you would not be showing us how much Inbreeding that go’s on in all White family’s cause now we know its true and all you had to do is open your stupid ass mouth and show us just how true this really is, its what cost you stupid ass Conservatives the last Election but you can not help showing the country how fuck up all of you really are, it comes from all that fucken Inbreeding, it comes out each and every time one of you Bitches open your stupid ass mouth, you dumb bastards can not help your self’s, but keep talking it only means that there will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, BE ANOTHER WHITE RACIST HONKIE IN THE WHITHOUSE AGING, and that peckerwood makes all of us LIB’S Dame happy

          • Vazir Mukhtar says:

            You might have suggested chastity belts. There was a time when they were in fashion. With the right backing you might revive a long-dead craft.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            You can do anything you dam well please – just don’t force me to pay for your stupidity and inability to maintain your own life.

          • Vazir Mukhtar says:

            Although you do so indirectly, dxsmopuim, you tell me quite clearly that my sarcasm is lost on you. If I comment on another remark to which you are liable to reply, I’ll try remember that you are apparently a literalist, as well as one who either cannot or chooses not to spell correctly. The sixth word in your sentence ends in an -n when used as you intended it, or a symbol if you fear censorship.

            You have insufficient evidence to judge whether I’m stupid or unable to maintain my own life. Still, that didn’t stop you. BTW, ad hominem remarks contribute nothing to the discussion.

          • jrj1701 says:

            How are you paying for it??? Figure out the cost of the infrastructure you enjoy and tell me that you ain’t getting what you pay for.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Well of course I take no issue with paying for responsible national interests such as infrastructure, military and extremely limited government. The issue is with being forced to pay for a persons PERSONAL responsibilities such as YOUR food, water, housing, clothing, cable TV, telephone, medical bills, drug treatment, retirement plans, etc. etc. etc. I believe medicare, medicaid, food stamps and welfare now make up 105 % of the federal governments budget. That’s before you pay a single person’s salary. Those are ALL personal responsibilities and I should NOT be paying for them. A government employee makes twice as much money as a private industry employee, government salaries need to be cut by 75%. The government workforce needs to be cut by 75% . Government employee’s need to pay for their own medical insurance, currently I pay for it, and they make twice as much money as me. Half of the government needs to be completely dis banded. HHS needs to go. All welfare programs need to go. NPR needs to go. DHS needs to go. TSA needs to go. The FBI is completely worthless and spends 100 times money than they should. Anyway, you see where I’m going with this. My taxes at every level should be 80% lower than what they are. If you can’t feed yourself, go die. If you can’t clothe yourself, go die. If you can’t house yourself, go die. If you can’t pay your own insurance, go die. If you can’t manage your own life than you have no reason to be alive.

          • jrj1701 says:

            First of all your rhetoric is lacking in facts. The government has paid more for unnecessary wars and to maintain corporate welfare than it has spent feeding the poor. Your desire that everybody who can’t make the grade just die is indicative of your hatred, and hatred is nothing more than fear. Throughout this thread you bash Obama, well what about the rich who have enjoyed being bailed out by the government, and then outsource the jobs this country needs? You throw terms around about liberals, and lack of responsibility, when the folks that you support have done more to create the problems that this country faces. You are very transparent and it is sad that you are so hate filled and fearful. You want to crank up the ovens and forget that you would put in place a regime that would just as gladly place you in an oven when your usefulness to them has ended. You also contradict yourself, you don’t want meanevilnasty government to regulate your life yet you want it to regulate others’ lives unnecessarily. Drug testing welfare recipients has proven to be a waste of time and money. You have stated that if you have to be drug tested then so should everybody else. Answer me this, WHY??? If you want less government and to not spend hard earned money on taxes, why do you want the government to keep fighting a losing war on drugs??? Why do you keep playing in to the hands of those that would just as soon kill you as you would kill those you hate???

          • jrj1701 says:

            you ain’t paying for anything, your concept that your tax dollars are going to feed and house lazy pot heads while you bust your butt is rich folk brainwashing. Answer me this, how much tax money is actually spent on foodstamps and how much tax money is actually used to bail out companies that failed, or to support wars that don’t achieve anything other than piss the world off at us. Also consider this, you drive on semi-decent roads, have police and fire protection at the touch of a finger, enjoy the benefits of an infrastructure that was developed with the help of tax dollars. I honestly believe that you are jealous because deep in your heart you want to just kick back and take a toke, get women folk knocked up and when it is time to be responsible for the kid you implanted you want to skip town and blame the woman. You decided to play it straight and do the right thing and can’t stand the idea that some fall in that struggle and need help to get back on their feet. You don’t want to pay for welfare, or abortions, or birth control, yet you will probably pay tons of money for prisons.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Women who are raped don’t get a choice. You Bull Males just go around weasling your way through life impregnating women and then walking away like you had nothing to do with it. Grow up little boi. Your weasle excuses for manhood are clear.

          The last time I looked YOU YOU YOU live in a society. Not an Ivory Tower. If you don’t like having to pay your fair share…too damn bad. MY fair share pays for the fair share you refuse to pay.

  3. Allan Richardson says:

    I feel that all elected and appointed officials should have to take a drug test before taking office (candidates for elective office should take one when qualifying to get on the ballot), since they are also receiving money from taxpayers. And in the case of these clowns, I want to know what they are smoking.

    The one good thing about the new NC drug test law is the “reasonable suspicion” clause. There is a chance that 82 year old grannies who have been going to church since they were children and have no police record will NOT be considered to be under “reasonable suspicion,” but knowing the Jim Crow mentality, I am not holding my breath on it (and you shouldn’t either if you are that granny).

    As for the refusal to use e-Verify to check for illegal immigrants, I suspect that was killed because Jim Pope uses illegal immigrants in his discount store chain. Any day now he will come out for a photo-op in a military-style uniform like Saddam’s and make the Governor and the legislators swear an oath of personal loyalty to the North Carolina Bossman. If he also has the police lead some of the legislators out back to be shot, it will be time to be VERY AFRAID.

    • dxsmopuim says:

      Well, your line of reasoning would have taken obama out of the race immediately so I am all for that. I am forced to take drug tests without reasonable suspicion. I am subjected to pre employment drug screening without any justification. I am subjected to random drug testing while employed without reasonable suspicion. Why should the parasites be afforded a double standard ? Stop, answer the question. 82 year old grannies are searched by TSA along with 2 year old toddlers. Again, why should the parasites be afforded another double standard ? Stop, answer the question. If Jim Pope is committing a felony crime then it is the responsibility of the NC AG to pursue charges against him and has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

      • Justin Napolitano says:

        OK, we stop welfare aid; what about the children of those suspected of drug use, do they starve? What do we do about the children?
        Perhaps we place the in foster care. That will save a lot of money right?

        • dxsmopuim says:

          I couldn’t care less about the children. I have my own to care for. Call the church or the red cross or some other NON tax payer funded charity. Better yet, call a FAMILY member with a JOB !

          • charleo1 says:

            Okay you couldn’t care less about the children.
            Would you care if those that do, take care of this?
            Because it doesn’t seem like you’re the right person
            to be listening to on this. I’ll bet you don’t donate to
            the red cross, or you would raise your niece’s child
            if someone called you. (assuming you have a JOB!)
            So, I’m just going to throw your suggestions in the
            crapper. We’ll call it your contribution to the kids.

          • dxsmopuim says:

            Actually I am raising 3 of my wife’s grand children at the moment. Her daughter is a complete worthless brain dead obamanite and has never been able to support any of her 5 children with 5 different fathers. None of which pay any support nor has any interest in helping to raise the children. We have had the boy since he was 18 months and he is now 12 years. The 2 girls we have had from birth. They are now 3 and 5. Two other sets of grandparents have 2 other children and the obamanite bitch has also had a couple of abortions. Hopefully this analogy will help you to understand how the irresponsible behavior of just one obamanite can destroy the lives of a dozen decent human beings.

          • charleo1 says:

            I am convinced there is something wrong with with you.
            Having been raised by a step father, who begrudged
            every bite that went into my mouth, I can just bet
            you’re a real sweetheart to be around. Calling your
            wife’s daughter a bitch, twice, in your self serving
            little diatribe is my first indication. All concerned
            would be much happier, if you done everybody a
            a favor, and just offed your miserable self.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Of course selfish people like you don’t care. Your kind suck up more of our tax dollars than any child on welfare ever could. Pay your fair share of taxes and work that butt out instead of living in the McMansion till you age out at age 35.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        Your wild accusations that Barack Obama had been taking drugs less than 30 YEARS before running for President is not credible, but yes, if a candidate for any office has been using drugs recently, he or she should at least explain it to the public.

        I do not know whether it is because of the nature of your job or your boss’s opinion of you, but most of us only need a pre-employment drug screening, if that.

        Personally, I think that private sector drug screening is overdone, but comparing drug screenings, for which people already poor must put out from $40 to $100 up front, which SOME states would refund if the test is negative, to going through TSA screening, is trivializing the cost. As well as I remember, I never had to pay UP FRONT for any of the few drug screenings I had; in fact, the company paid for them directly.

        Jim Pope will not be convicted of a felony because he OWNS the entire North Carolina government now, including the AG. Nothing less than the federal government could convict him of ANY crime. I mentioned him with regard to the immigration situation. The legislature that Jim Pope bought and paid for, despite the conservative and partisan rage about illegal immigrants BEING in this country, voted down a law to require employers to VERIFY immigration status. I speculated (for the sake of satire) that Jim Pope’s discount stores must want the freedom to hire illegal immigrants without e-Verify in order to save payroll costs. Many businesses are hypocritical in that they want to hire illegal aliens to save money, but they want those employees to fear deportation if they complain about low wages, unpaid overtime, unsafe conditions, or other abuse.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        You better be able to prove Obama is taking drugs in a court of law…I’d be the first to haul your ass into court to make you prove your lies. Now…Fess up or admit you’re a liar. So Mr. Bigot, just because the president isn’t your pearly white color, doesn’t drawl or swagger, doesn’t mean he’s automatically a drug addict. And this folks is what the Lil Abners down there DogPatch all believe…white skin? Perfect and never commit any crimes, never take drugs and never end up in prison in droves for white collar crimes. Get a life Loser!

        • Vazir Mukhtar says:

          President Obama has no need to take drugs, except perhaps the ones we now call meds. If he did so in his teens, what has that to do with his capabilities of serving as president? Perhaps he has a better understanding of young people as a result.

          His Indonesian and Hawaiian experiences notwithstanding, I believe he would have been better prepared to serve as president had he attended university or law school in the midwest, because Columbia and Harvard, though academically excellent, are in many respects parochial.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            I agree with your post. However, today in the south and midwest, colleges and universities are beholden to the same corporate lobbyists and funding from billionaires that influence the curriculum in these schools. It’s the reason some of the best midwestern university officials consider the Ivy League schools like MIT, Princeton and Yale to be “liberal.” When religion of a culture begins to have too heavy an influence on what is taught, that comes all too close to brainwashing and creating generations of ideologists who demand followers adhere to their way of thinking. That’s neither democratic or constitutional.

  4. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    NC like TN, GA, SC and KY are some of the most male dominated states in the union. Little has changed since the dynasties of the plantation days took control of it. You keep people in NC “ignernt” because if they were too intelligent, some NC politicians would get a kicked butt. You keep people in NC poor as church mice because it’s so much easier to make them grateful for a lousy bone they are tossed now and then.

  5. Justin Napolitano says:

    Just to add a point, the ACLU will be all over this law.

    • charleo1 says:

      It’s knocked down everywhere it’s been enacted. These goobers just pass
      this law to excite people like the one posting his claptrap here. In Florida,
      like in Georgia, and Alabama where they had it, they lose money on the cost
      of the tests. Because they have to reimburse the cost to applicants that pass.
      All but a few do. Then, they put the State’s Attorney to defend the stupid
      thing in court. Then, $200,000, to $500,000 dollars later, it’s deemed unconstitutional. And this is what passes for Right Wing T-Party Government.
      It didn’t work there, or there, but we’re going to try it here. It’s all dog, and
      pony show for the witless, “Keep your filthy government hands off my Medicare, bunch.

      • Allan Richardson says:

        So the fix to that, in their minds, is why reimburse the innocent for the cost of the test to prove their innocence? Just don’t reimburse them.

  6. Vazir Mukhtar says:

    This site would be considerably improved if those making comments had the option of marking other comments as inappropriate.

    And, yes, dxsmopium, you, too, would have that privilege.

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