When guns are NOT regulated, EVEN outlaws will have guns.
Uhhhhhh….. Alllan…… you are aware of the fact that NYC and Chicago both ban guns, the toughest gun regulations there are. However, the crime rates committed with guns are higher than most other places, particularly Chicago’s gun violence rates. So, in other words, there is no relation between gun control and crime rates that is favorable to your gun-grabbing, misguided opinions. Further, it is now known that the shooter yesterday had a legal permit AND a background check. Your gun grabbing ideas are nothing short of a fantasy.
Have a nice day!
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence … From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable . . . the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference – they deserve a place of honor with all that is good.” – George Washington
Sorry bozo, places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge City – add New York and Chicago – did not (and do not) have high crime rates because they have strict gun regulations; it’s the other way around.
As I recall from stories of the days of more lax control (when the NRA was a sportsman’s organization), Capone didn’t have to register his guns. Nor did Nelson, nor did Bonnie nor Clyde. Seems like back-in-the-day when you could own fully-automatic weapons, more horrific crimes were more prevalent.
You missing one small detail, john, back in those days you did not have to register guns except for fully-automatic guns. Anyone could legally have a Thompson sub-machine gun as long as he purchased an extremely expense federal license. Even law enforcement officers had to have a federal license to have a machine gun. Yes, those sterling people you mentioned could have machine guns but it was against the law for them to have them. As for getting full-automatic weapons I am reminded of when one of my kid’s college classmates in the 70s offered to sell me a WW2 M3 greasegun (cheaply made .45 caliber fully automatic weapon) for $22 or if I wanted 3 or more of them for $18 each (roughly what the government paid for them new) I also note that fully-automatic weapons are fairly common in the hands of neighborhood gangs today and they are no more legal now than they were 80 years ago. .
In the 1920s you didn’t need any kind of license to own a fully automatic weapon. It was’t a problem because automatics were bulky, expensive, and manufacturers generally didn’t sell to criminals back then. This continued until the “street sweeper” (Thompson sub) and BAR became available.
The federal license was not a requirement until 1934.
My point exactly, john, and I am glad to see that you agree. Fully automatic weapons were illegal to have in the 1930s just as they are illegal to have in the 21st Century unless you have a federal license (that license/tax has to be paid each time the weapon changes hands). There was a photo of me standing next to my dad’s new 1936 Pontiac with the Sheriff’s Thompson leaning against the fender with our Alsatian in front of me staring intently into the camera but my mother threw the photo away.Many decades later I was a deputy in another far wealthier county and no law department in that county had any full auto weapons because the license was so expensive. This is not to say that I never encountered people with full-auto weapons intent upon killing me but I am living proof that a heavy bbl scoped 30.06 was far more effective than their weapons were.
Hey Ralphie! How are you? I hope you are well. I must say that I agree with you again. What’s happening to me????? 🙂
Hey, Christmas is coming up. Have you been booking Santa Clause gigs yet? You should, Ralphie. You’d be the best Santa around. Little kids can’t pull your beard off. LOL
Have a nice day, Ralphie!
“The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -Thomas Jefferson
OMG! Ralphie is Santa Claus??? thanks for clearing that up. I thought he was an albino from Duck Dynasty..LOL
He could be that, too…. who really knows, but Ralphie?
Both of your hero’s George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were slave owners, but I’am shore they got that gun thing right. You might place that along side that freedom and liberty they preach about while owning other humans.
Vern….. long time, no chip on your shoulder…. yeah, right. Sure, sure. Vern without a bolder-sized race chip on his shoulder would be like a person flying by flapping their arms….. NOT gonna happen. You just can’t resist using the race card, can you Vern?
You are free to leave America and go some other place that’s more race friendly…….. like the moon!
Have a nice day, racist Vern!
“I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the
content of their character.” – Martin Luther King
I bet you were at that march when Dr King made those remark, if you were not there I know you’ve played that speech at every right wing gathering you go to, if Dr .King had not been killed by a conservative racist bastard you would be a card carrying member of Dr king org. You brought up Thomas Jefferson name to prove a point, that suggested that his word and maybe his deeds were infallible. I believe his position on guns is just as backward today as his position on slavery was then. I’am 74 yr’s old and grew up in a red, conservative, right wing, state that share your right wing (non socialist) views, that also was a member of the rebel state that tried to destroy T.J. dream of controlling all of No. America. I did not create slavery, or Jim Crow. However At 74 I play what ever fuxxking card I want. My fore parent were here longer then yours, and there labor contributed more then most to this country. So I’am not going anywhere. Iceland have no folks that look like me, YOU might want to check it out. Further more their will be NO RIGHT WING ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN YOUR LIFE TIME, I JUST DON’T KNOW HOW YOU WILL SURVIVE.
@Vernon… I wonder if some of the same people who quote Dr. King would march with some of the Civil Rights leaders of today? That was a rhetorical question… We all know most people who have this mentality, would never be brave enough to involve themselves in a worthwhile cause that would help someone that doesn’t look like them. Such hypocrites, It reminds me of something said by a very very famous man,”Woe unto you! for you build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your Fathers killed them. Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your Fathers; for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres.Jesus!!!
Thank you very much.
Slave-owning was accepted back then, at least in Virginia, as gun-owning is today. A lot of people objected to it, but did not have the courage or political power to fight it. Jefferson tried mightily – as hard as anyone – in the House of Burgesses, to outlaw slavery, but was unsuccessful. Though we are aghast at slavery today, it would have been hard to fight it in that day, especially if you were born into it, and your livelihood depended upon it. How easy it is to judge other people in other times.
John as usual Bozo the Infantile’s facts are incorrect. Chicago and NYC don’t rank in the top 25 cities for crime rates. In fact NYC ranks as the 3rd lowest crime rate for cities with a population over 500k. Bozo likes to state facts that he makes up.
john… you’re not exactly correct about the NRA. The NRA was formed in the time following the Civil War, and it was NOT a “sportsman’s organization” as you say initially. It was actually formed by two Union Army veterans, a Colonel and a General, because of the poor marksmanship of the Union soldiers. It did foster sportsmanship, but the initial focus was on creating better soldiers. Here is the actual history of the NRA. http://www.nrahq.org/history.asp
“A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” – George Washington
George Washington. Don’t make em like that anymore. Sigh