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Thursday, January 17, 2019

President Barack Obama denounced congressional Republicans’ tendency toward crisis-to-crisis governing, and strongly warned against any attempt to shut down the government or refuse to raise the debt ceiling, during a Monday speech on the state of the U.S. economy.

“I cannot remember a time when one faction of one party promises economic chaos if it can’t get 100 percent of what it wants. That’s never happened before. But that’s what’s happening right now,” Obama said.

“You have some Republicans in the House of Representatives who are promising to shut down the government at the end of this month if they can’t shut down the Affordable Care Act,” the president continued. “And if that scheme doesn’t work, some have suggested they won’t pay the very bills that Congress has already run up, which would cause America to default on its debt for the first time in our history and would create massive economic turmoil. Interest rates on ordinary people would shoot up. Those kinds of actions are the kinds of actions that we don’t need.”

Obama made it clear that he has no intention of negotiating over Obamacare, his signature legislative achievement. “The Affordable Care Act has been the law for three and a half years now. It passed both houses of Congress. The Supreme Court ruled it constitutional. It was an issue in last year’s election, and the candidate who called for repeal lost,” he said, in a reference to Mitt Romney.

“Are some of these folks really so beholden to one extreme wing of their party that they’re willing to tank the entire economy just because they can’t get their way on this issue?” the president later asked. “Are they really willing to hurt people just to score political points? I hope not.”

Obama’s comments served as another public warning shot to House Speaker John Boehner, who has repeatedly signaled his intention to demand significant spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit. The president has flatly rejected the premise of negotiating over a debt ceiling increase. Obama’s remarks were also an attempt to educate the public on the true consequences of not raising the limit; although a debt default would spark a global economic crisis, recent polls have suggested that Americans don’t support the White House’s position on the issue.

In addition to sounding a warning over upcoming fiscal battles, the president devoted much of his speech — which coincided with the five-year anniversary of the financial crisis — to discussing the economic gains made during his time in office. Citing falling unemployment, expanded health care coverage, stricter rules on Wall Street, and changes to the tax code, the president declared that “we’ve cleared away the rubble from the financial crisis and we’ve begun to lay a new foundation for economic growth and prosperity.” Still, he acknowledged, “As any middle-class family will tell you…we are not yet where we need to be.”

In a return to rhetoric that worked very well in his 2012 re-election campaign, Obama stressed the need to fight the inequality that has come to characterize what he termed “a winner-take-all economy,” and urged Congress to work with him to create policies that encourage middle-class growth.

“The problem is, at the moment, Republicans in Congress don’t seem to be focused on how to grow the economy and build the middle class,” Obama said. “So far, their budget ideas revolve primarily around even deeper cuts to education, even deeper cuts that would gut America’s scientific research and development, even deeper cuts to America’s infrastructure investment — our roads, our bridges, our schools our energy grid. These aren’t the policies that would grow the economy faster.”

At the beginning of his speech, President Obama took a moment to address the shooting that took place at the Navy Yard in Washington, D.C. on Monday morning.

“We send our thoughts and prayers to all at the Navy Yard who’ve been touched by this tragedy. We thank them for their service. We stand with the families of those who’ve been harmed. They’re gonna need our love and support,” Obama said.

A full transcript of the president’s remarks can be read here.

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145 responses to “Obama Warns Republicans On Government Shutdown, Debt Ceiling”

  1. Sand_Cat says:

    He can warn all he likes. He’d better start convincing them he isn’t going to cave no matter what, a big job given his past record.

  2. FT66 says:

    It is stupidity, ignorance, craziness to shut down the whole gov. because you don’t like ACA “Obamacare”. Should other side come forward and claim to shutdown the gov. because of “gun control law” which has been ignored? What claims more life everyday, Obamacare or being inactive to put “Gun control law” in place and enforce it?

    • medford_resident says:

      what is stupidity is your “understanding” of the problem. Start contributing 39% of YOUR income and then get back to us on how much we should be spending and borrowing. YOU and others like you are this country’s biggest problem.

      • Bill Thompson says:

        I paid the maximum most of my life and at no time have I ever felt like taking food or assistance from people that need it. If in fact you are paying 39% you are living quite well I know because I did and I have. Your anger is misdirected the people at the bottom are not the ones screwing you.

        • medford_resident says:

          the fact that you believe obamacare and wild out of control governmental spending will do ANYTHING for people who actually need food and assistance makes your “paid the maximum” statement hard to believe.

      • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

        Medford, you talk a good fight. Do YOU actually contribute 39% of YOUR income? Somehow I doubt it. Usually you guys who complain the loudest about others not sharing the load are the ones who have an army of accountants to make sure they get back 99% of the taxes withheld from them!
        Those of us who actually pay Federal, State and Local taxes on this blog are really tired of mooks like you who talk about others not contributing. What about your precious Koch brothers? I would be willing to bet they manage to pay less than 0.5% of their actual income.

        • medford_resident says:

          why does society’s bottom believe the lie that when we hire accountants, they can make our tax liability magically go away? oh right, because they’re been told by their masters that thats how it works. Why does society’s bottom always bring up the Koch brothers who’ve paid more in taxes then your entire extended family? Son, It’s doubtful you’ve ever made more than $50k a year with your level of intelligence. Imagining how your betters live just makes you look silly. And the pittance a $50k a year clown contributes to society is a drop in the bucket of “your fair share”

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m guessing that Medford is some kind of insane asylum that you just escaped from. Tell you what, why don’t you try moving to Europe where the vast majority of country’s where you’d want to live have taxation rates that exceed 50%. And why not go back before America’s worst president ever, Reagan, dropped the max tax rate that was close to 70% down to around 30% just to let his rich buddies keep more money in their pocket. It’s Reagan’s lowering the tax rate that started the skyrocketing of America’s deficit spending which has resulted in our almost 17 trillion in debt.

            If your bitching so much about paying 39%, how do you imagine that all America’s rich people like the Rockefellers managed to survive and accumulate huge fortunes when the max tax rate was around 90%???? They did it by not expecting to spend everything they earned on their luxury yachts and taking world cruises and spending 90% of their time running around trying to influence elections by spending millions trying to brainwash people with lies.

          • medford_resident says:

            not sure which lie you want to run with to justify taking what you did not earn?
            No surprise. The productive class needs very little government to survive. Societal leeches need an overbearing one to take from the productive and give to the leeches. And Reagan let the productive keep more of what they EARNED.
            You should try earning some time. its very liberating.

          • Independent1 says:

            Yeah! You’re right, the “productive class” does think it can get away with “little government”. Rick Perry sure has tried to prove that and I guess that’s why that aside from job growth and low taxes, Texas is nothing more than the cesspool of the nation: Texas ranks in the bottom 5 of 21 subjective measures when compared to every other state in the nation – on measures like, police protection, education of its citizens, state infrastructure, the criminality of government officials, and much more. And I guess that’s why Texas with it’s “little government” leads the nation in:

            -foisting its tax burden on the working folk
            -being ranked as having the worst state government,
            -having the worst overall healthcare services and healthcare delivery in the nation,
            -having the lowest percent of its residents with health insurance, including the least children with insurance,
            -having the most costly homeowners insurance in the nation,
            -having the worst rate of high school graduation in the nation,
            -having the highest rate of high school dropouts in the nation,
            -and ranked as having the most polluted environment
            in America.

          • medford_resident says:

            dude, you really gotta read at least some of this cut and paste nonsense for accuracy. Here’s the actual numbers for high school drop out rates: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/22/education-high-school-dropout-rate/1855233/sorry, you’re lying about Texas being the worst. But, I don’t think your goal has ever been accuracy.

          • medford_resident says:

            our even a leftist rag: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/26/high-school-graduation-ra_n_2194378.html

            Iowa had the highest graduation rate at 88 percent, while Wisconsin and Vermont shared the second-highest rate with 87 percent. Indiana, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Tennessee and Texas rounded out the top nine states with a 86 percent graduation rate.

            Seems texas is top 10, not bottom. oh well. keep up the good work.

          • Independent1 says:

            You’re right – I blew it on the graduation rates. Afraid I have to give this one to you – I’ve got to checkout where I got the info that Texas had a high high school dropout rate.

          • medford_resident says:

            Reagan increased the debt by 1.2 billion over 8 years. obama does that EVERY year.

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry but it was more like 1.5 TRILLION that Reagan increased the 800 billion debt he inherited from Carter (Carter by the way was the only president to actually reduce America’s debt while in office since the Big Depression and to a level below 50% of GDP ). Reagan increased the 800 Billion to 2.3 trillion (that’s almost tripling the debt in 8 years). Of course he had a lot of practice tripling debts as that’s exactly what he did while governor of California – he tripled California’s debt level while governing that state.

            Reagan was the 1st of the really drunken-sailor spending GOP presidents – followed closely by the 2 Bushes (who together increased our debt by over 12 trillion dollars through unfunded legislation they supported like tax cuts, wars, drug benefits, no child left behind idiocy and their total mismanagement of the economy). And not only did Reagan spend more money in 8 years than all the presidents in office over the prior 50 years, he spent it so fast that Congress had to raise the debt ceiling more than 16 times during Reagan’s 8 years in office (about twice a year). And you probably forgot to mention that after dropping the Max Tax rate to 28% he actually ended up raising the max rate to 32% which would be unheard of today – for GOP president to raise the tax rate.

            And by the way, I’ve been meaning to thank you GOP loving trolls for coming on the National Memo and making your totally unsupportable comments that give me an opportunity to hopefully pass along TRUE FACTS that I hope are enlightening a number of honest posters on the NM. Thanks for being such idiots and such a help!!!! Keep it up!! Keep spewing your lies and distortions that just open the door for someone to post THE TRUTH!!!!

          • roguerunners says:

            LOL!

          • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

            Actually, my wife and I have a combined income of over $130K. I am a 12 year Navy Veteran, and have worked for the past 21 years at the same company. I am a homeowner, and tax payer and have spent less than 6 months of my entire life ever collecting unemployment. I have never needed food stamps/snap, nor have I ever needed medicaid. So as long as we are comparing pecker size, let’s hear about yours.

          • medford_resident says:

            ok. I own a business that directly employs 8 people in our office and 10 more from home. My wife doesn’t work and I make high 6 to low 7 figures depending on the year. I own multiple homes and investment properties and haven’t paid less than 30% fed tax in more than a decade. I’ve NEVER collected unemployment or any of the other government hand outs. I was born into a lower middle class family and spent years of 14 hour days to get where I am today. Not the largest pecker by any means but certainly enough intelligence and life experiences to refute the nonsense thats rolled out here on a daily basis.

          • Bill Boltz says:

            You forgot to mention…you’re a prize winning fucking asshole!

          • medford_resident says:

            oh come on billy, don’t go away mad, just go away.

          • Bill Boltz says:

            Where’s the fun in that? Naaa…I think I’ll stick around.

          • medford_resident says:

            then try to contribute. Hell, lets hear YOUR jobs plan. I rolled out mine.

          • Bill Boltz says:

            I’d love to sit here and trade barbs with you, but I’m on the clock. My jobs plan for the time being is to keep the one I’ve got.
            Perseverence and pure doggedness keeps me working. I hope to catch-up with you later. Try to have a good night.

          • roguerunners says:

            LOL

          • Mary Kaye Huber says:

            Thanks for that it made my day!

          • Bill Boltz says:

            Glad to help, Mary. May you have many good days.

          • darkagesbegin says:

            just wondering who your customers are? You probably need the business of all those poor people you despise, and when they don’t have money to spend on your products and services, what will your income be then?

          • medford_resident says:

            child, I do not despise people who are poor, I simply despise people like yourself who think we should borrow ourselves into oblivion. I despise people who contribute NOTHING to this society voting to borrow us into oblivion because they have no skin in the game. Get it? I’ll bet you don’t.

          • darkagesbegin says:

            I thought you might be a thinking human being capable of rational thought and discussion. Pardon me, I see that I was wrong.

          • medford_resident says:

            No self awareness, eh little buddy. Don’t project your irrational behavior onto others. We’re nothing like you.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            And to point out the obvious it is your employees that earn you that money. If every one of them told you to stuff it you would be out of business. Never forget that it is your employees that make you the money you claim to earn by your own labor. Further, I’ll bet you personally built the public schools you went to and built the roads you car drives on. Also i’ll bet you have your own police department, fire department and hospital. right?

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Well, with corporations being richer than they have been in our entire history and with income disparity being at an all time high and with the top 1% getting virtually all of the productivity benefit increases and wealth in our society while the middle class disappears the lies being told are from you.
            Perhaps you would like to dispute these facts?

      • FT66 says:

        Oh! boy, you must be one of the craziest people am talking about. In your mind, why not come up with an dialogue instead of threatening to shut down the whole thing. Everyone including you, will real feel what the shut down means. In your own way of thinking, does it make any sense that you punish someone which will result in feeling the repercusion of it in you!. In simple words: thats what we call: “madness”.

        • medford_resident says:

          no, sorry chumly. We’re well past the time to sit on our hands and allow an idiot community organizer ruin the best healthcare and economy in the world. Do you even understand that china is no longer buying our debt? That we’re actually buying our own debt? Do you understand thats smoke and mirrors that will end badly because idiots like yourself vote for it to continue?

          • FT66 says:

            You can call me whatever name you have in your head: idiot or whatever, BUT that is not going to change the reality. No one with the right thinking can shut all activities of the gov. because they didn’t meet one crazy demand of the other side. God gave us brains to use them properly. When you set them aside and use it the wrong way, be prepared to face the consequences from those who are wiser to see than you are.

          • medford_resident says:

            idiot, we’re spending beyond our means and have been for too long. we could shut half the government down tomorrow and not notice. Look at the sequester. We were told that if it took effect there would be untold problems. what we got out of it was no whitehouse tours. intelligent people understand whts really important here. you simply don’t

          • Independent1 says:

            Here’s another NOT TRUE!! Spending IS NOT the problem – the problem is lack of tax revenues. It takes money to run a government and provide the infrastructure and resources needed to make it function. Spending has been cut as fast as made sense over the passed 5 years – by making sense, I mean not cutting spending so fast that you totally depress the economy – not doing what virtually every country in Europe did, severe austerity. Which did nothing but throw virtually every country there into another deep recession – which actually is one of the things beside the GOP obstruction that is keeping America from recovering quicker.

            And let’s talk about the Debt – the GOP wants to boggeyman the debt – Well, America’s debt right now is about 70% of GDP (you don’t use the 5+ trillion America owes to itself in computing the GDP). The 70% is actually down from a high of around 73% a couple years ago because the GDP has gone up faster than our debt.

            So how does America’s 70% debt to GDP ratio stack up?? Well, it’s lower than virtually every other similar, non-communist industrialized nation on the planet. Virtually every European country has a debt to GDP of 80% or higher. Even our neighbor Canada has a ratio greater than 87%; and have you heard of all the screams about Canada being in the poor house lately? I haven’t!! And what about Japan? It runs a debt to GDP that’s a littler over 100%.

            So all this crying about America being in the poor house and America overspending is just more GOP BS!!!! And you can be sure that if Romney had gotten elected, or there was another Republican in the White House, the GOP would be raving about how frugal they had been to keep America’s debt and deficits down.

          • MJRinPA says:

            White House tours? That’s the biggest problem with the sequester? What about the children who were cut from Head Start? What about employees whose hours were cut? or who were furloughed? What you were told was true – there are untold problems.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Are you nuts. The American Health care system is rated, at best, 19th in the world and we pay twice what every other developed country in the world pays. 17% of our gross national product is devoted to health care where the next highest country is only 11%. You sir are delusional and repeating long discounted lies does not make you sound intelligent it makes you a liar and a fool.
            Have you not noticed the disdain your are receiving on this message board?

      • roguerunners says:

        You act like you are the only one who pays taxes. In your tiny mind only Republicans pay taxes. Get a grip!

        • medford_resident says:

          uh, no. sadly there’s 50% of us who pay taxes. If the other 50% had to pay for the things they voted for, the country would look much different.

          • Independent1 says:

            You even fell for that old Romney ploy!! Romney’s idiot comment about there being 47% that don’t pay taxes – what BS. There’s only about 15% of Americans that don’t pay taxes – the other 32% or so pay taxes, but they don’t owe more than is payroll deducted from their salaries: and a fair % of those get tax refunds because their incomes are so low that they get refunds.BUT YOU CAN BET THAT THOSE 32% PAY TAXES.
            Those people that you claim don’t pay taxes are soldiers and firefighters and policemen and hard working citizens.

            Boy are you gullible. I’m starting to be convinced that you’re a true blue Faux News sheeple that would believe any of the lies and distortions broadcast by Faux News, Rush limpbag, Glenn Beak or any of those other conservative talk show Liars!!!!

  3. JDavidS says:

    You really have to be a narrow-minded, mean-spirited, vindictive, petty little ideologue to go to the lengths these fools are going to in order to continue to fight a cause that was lost, on several fronts, a few years back, the latest loss being Mitt the Twits’ election failure.
    It’s time for the Tea Clowns to either grow up and accept reality, work FOR the people and not merely AGAINST the president, or to fuck off. Sane people are growing tired of this hyper-partisan bullshit.

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    • medford_resident says:

      if you paid federal income tax, you’d feel differently.

      • bandrulz says:

        This is just as stupid as it was before medford.

        • medford_resident says:

          I know. if you paid what your betters did, you’d feel differently about government spending beyond its means and then wasting what is spent.

          • Independent1 says:

            Are you even aware that when adjusted for inflation that government spending today is at the lowest level in 60 years? And that deficits are running up not because of excessive spending but because of reduced tax revenues due primarily to GOP obstruction (refusing to pass either of 2 jobs bills Obama submitted), and that there are still around 11 million people without jobs (not paying taxes) and hundreds/maybe thousands of companies that went belly up in 12008/2009 still haven’t been recovered – again partly due to the GOP refusing to do anything with respect to job creation??

            And are you aware that Obama has cut spending such that he has kept his promise to cut deficit spending in half within 4 years? He reduced the spending in Bush’s last budget that ran until 09/30/09 which included 1.6 trillion in deficit spending to around the 700 billion projected by the CBO for his 2012/13 budget? And that he began a war on fraud in the Defense and Healthcare sectors such that his administration has recovered more money from crooks in these sectors (billions) than any previous president? And that his administration has actually gone through the majority of the governments departments seeking out waste and unnecessary functions?

          • medford_resident says:

            are you aware that the president’s “jobs bill” does nothing to create jobs but does waste a ton of money? are you aware that if those bills passed you’d have a harder time telling us with a strait face how obama is lowering the deficit?
            2010 deficit: $1.3 trillion
            2011 deficit: $1.3 trillion
            2012 deficit: $1 trillion
            2013 deficit: $901 billion (projected) after sequester cuts and the republicans blocking the $447 billion obama jobs bill.

            so please………..

          • medford_resident says:

            an intelligent president would propose reducing corporate taxes to zero for all companies with 60% or more of their workforce based in the US. That alone would cure all ills. Sadly, we have a president who doesn’t really want to create jobs, he just wants to pretend he wants to.

          • jmprint says:

            Yeah, if the companies would invest it back on the American people, but they don’t and won’t, they have no problem investing in other countries for more profit, and they will pocket the profits and continue to dumb down the middle class.

          • medford_resident says:

            seriously, if the concept is over your head, you DON’T have to post anything. How do you imagine corporations having 60% of their workforce in the US WITHOUT investing in the US. Furthermore, if their tax rate here was ZERO it would not be possible to profit more elsewhere. man, you’re really indoctrinated, aren’t you?

          • jmprint says:

            Oh I do have to post, because it is your thinking that has America where it is. This is how it works. Corporations hire people at minimal wage, these employees allow the company to make outrages profits. and instead of using some of those profits to the betterment of their employees (and I’m not talking about board members, because they get taken care even if they fuck up royally, the still get their severance pay in the millions) they send their profits overseas to sit in banks where their money grows and they don’t pay taxes on that money. Mean while the people that are making these corporations wealthy are forced to accept the low wages, because there aren’t much choice. And obviously you don’t read very well, because as I said…”and they will pocket the profits and continue to dumb down the middle class.” It’s reality and has been going on for the last 30 years.

          • medford_resident says:

            I understand that at the lowest rungs of society you’ve been lead to believe this but here in the real world, its illegal to hide profits made in the US offshore and not pay taxes. You should read more and type less. you’re cluelessly out of your league

          • Independent1 says:

            What a crock of BS!! Corporations hide profits in overseas accounts in a way that allows them to defer taxation on them for years into the future – effectively reducing the income they have to record on their taxes and saving them millions/ maybe even billions in what they owe in taxes. You have to have a very short memory or you would have recalled that Apple was in very hot water in Congress recently for having done just this!!

          • medford_resident says:

            Yes son, corporations earning profits overseas do NOT have to bring them into the country and be taxed on them. Thats entirely different than earning money hear and “hiding in offshore” as you claimed. Apple for example, earns billions overseas and is not obligated to bring it into the US just so it can be taxed. I’ve thrown these pearls before swine before so I don’t expect you to understand but I’ll spell it out to others who may be reading who can actually understand.
            If Apple has 100 billion dollars offshore set aside for an expansion project or new product line, And they bring it into the country, almost half of it immediately is lossed to taxes if they hold it past dec. 31st. so now, they have 50 billion for the 100 billion expansion they wanted to do. So Apple keeps it off shore. Now if we had a president who ever ran a business instead of spending his life community organizing, He’d understand that the US is in a global competition for jobs. Currently, other countries who’s leaders have more on their resume than “community organizer” understand that if you lure corporations to your shores thru tax incentives, jobs come with it. The US needs to lure corporations to their shores but our current president has spent 6 years vilifying corporations and success in general so now, he can’t very well go back to supporters like you and say,”hey, we have to compete on the world stage and lower our corporate tax rates. Sadly, we’ll continue with this sideshow while corporations who can set up shop anywhere, continue to do so somewhere beside the US. We could solve our economic problems and unemployment tomorrow simply by lowering corporate tax rates to zero for all corporations who keep at least 60% of their work force in the US.
            Our problem is that obama’s base (of which you’re a shining example) have no understanding of macro economics.

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry, but Apple set up a shell corporation in Ireland to record its overseas income – in a country that has a law that if you’re not ‘DOMICILED’ in that country you owe Ireland no tax. The company Apple set up in Ireland was set up intentionally to hide income from taxation.

          • jmprint says:

            Look if wall street & banks were to fall on their face you would be at the food line, so please, just because you got rich on investments, working with other people money, does not make you a better person. You are below scum, more like a computer virus. YUK

          • medford_resident says:

            more intelligent repartee from the left. I didn’t imagine you would understand my posts.

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Are you smoking dope? Apple corporation hides billions of dollars in Ireland because it has one of the lowest tax rates. It sells it stuff in the US and hides its profits in other countries.
            It is sitting on 130 billion dollars and wont open a plant in the US employing American workers. Apple is indicative of many companies that do not care one iota about American workers or the USA for that matter. If they had a zero tax rate they would not change one darn thing.

          • ralphkr says:

            What utter B.S.that you spout, medford. If it is so illegal for corporations to hide profits offshore why do corporations have trillions of dollars in their offshore accounts just waiting for another tax holiday that will allow them to bring the money back home without paying the taxes?

          • medford_resident says:

            ralph, your lack of understanding of the world around you does not make what I say BS. Again, I’ll explain. Money MADE offshore can STAY offshore. There’s no crime there. Money made in the US can’t be “hidden” offshore. That is against the law. Open a book or ask someone who knows, don’t assume everything you don’t understand is BS.

          • ralphkr says:

            And your utter lack of understanding of the real world is like, medford, and what having smart lawyers, accountants, and owning a Congressman can do to help people & businesses hide their profits offshore for years demonstrates your appalling ignorance . Profits made in the US can be set aside overseas and the taxes do not have to be paid until the money is returned to the US and perhaps not even then if they can snooker the US into declaring a tax holiday for profits hidden offshore.

          • Independent1 says:

            Are you aware that in any given year, more than 200 of the Fortune 500 companies pay less than a 5% tax rate and more than 100 pay no taxes at all even though they make millions in profits? They use every unAmerican gimmick in the tax code to get out of paying their fair share of taxes.

          • medford_resident says:

            are you aware that its not profit until it goes into a human’s pocket and when it does, its taxed? Corporations should not be taxed considering ever dime in profit that goes to a human being IS taxed. Why do you think businesses are busy moving off shore? Because the US is WAY behind in the game of luring businesses to their shores. And “gimmicks” in the tax code that corps take advantage of are no more unAmerican than the “gimmick” in the tax code that allows you to deduct your mortgage interest.

          • roguerunners says:

            Just have to wast a little time to point out to you that according to your right wing thinking, corporations are people. It can’t work both ways. Try again.

          • medford_resident says:

            no, sorry. because you leftist idiots wanted to treat corporations as people, the courts were forced to treat them as people too. See how idiot thinking works out?

          • Justin Napolitano says:

            Really! Corporations receive many benefits from our infrastructure and from the public education system, police and Fire Departments. Not to mention contracts from government agencies and the huge benefits of government research and development. Additionally, corporations receive vast tax breaks and incentives from government greatly increasing their bottom line so to suggest that they should pay zero taxes is ridicules. Please explain way the American worker should be saddled with the entire tax burden?
            Lastly, the amount of taxes paid by corporations are the lowest they have been in 50 years.

          • medford_resident says:

            That is the let’s idiot argument as corporations and jobs continue to sail to shores were such idiot thinking doesn’t exist.
            But good for you! You’ll teach those evil corporations a lesson. Hell, you can even shake your fist at them from the unemployment line. You’ll show them!

          • Billie says:

            Well, Mr. Koch, so you’ve decided to join us peons on this blog? These corporations make billions in profits every year and they should pay their fair share.

          • medford_resident says:

            You rushed home from your dead end job to prove my point?

          • Independent1 says:

            What a lie – Obama’s “American Jobs Act” would create millions of jobs according even to the CBO – any poster here that wants to see it and prove that to themselves needs only to go to Whitehouse.Gov and look it up. Jobs would be created upgrading schools, fixing America’s infrastructure and much more. One reason the GOP isn’t for it, is that virtually all the jobs created would be in local businesses that don’t funnel millions of dollars into their reelection campaigns. (It doesn’t recommend providing huge subsidies to Big Oil, Big Agri-Business and other large donators to GOP coffers.)

          • Sand_Cat says:

            You’re definitely not aware that you sound more ignorant and obnoxious with every lie or made-up “fact” you post.

          • jmprint says:

            Why do you call them betters? Just because you are born into money does not make you better. It just means you have more money to squander.

      • JDavidS says:

        One more clueless Tea Clown turd heard from.

      • roguerunners says:

        Hope it’s not Medford Oregon! 🙁

      • TheSkalawag says:

        If there was living tissue above your shoulders YOU’D feel differently.

      • ralphkr says:

        Not really, medford_resident, since I do pay a modest amount of Federal Income tax (just sent the feds my $3,900 quarterly payment) because of the tax break I get since so much of my income comes from dividends (retired for 30 years now) but I still feel that the US tax code is completely inequitable with the wealthiest companies and individuals paying the lowest actual tax rate.

        • medford_resident says:

          if what you “feel” was accurate, you’d have a point. as it is, you don’t.

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/obama-taxes-and-the-buffett-rule/2011/09/20/gIQAXdd0iK_blog.html

          When you add up all of the various taxes, and look at the effective
          tax rates, it is clear the tax system is already pretty progressive.
          Everyone pays some tax, even those who pay no federal income taxes,
          and the wealthiest pay a larger percentage share of taxes. Here’s the
          effective tax rate for all of the groups, according to the CBO:
          Lowest quintile (23.4 million taxpayers), zero to $18,900: 4.3 percent
          Second lowest quintile (22.4 million), $18,900-$32,100: 10.2 percent
          Middle quintile (22.9 million), $32,100-$47,400: 14.2 percent
          Fourth quintile (23 million), $47,400-$71,200: 17.6 percent
          Highest quintile (23.6 million), above $71,200: 25.8 percent
          Top 10 percent (12 million), minimum income of $98,100: 27.5 percent
          Top 5 percent (5.9 million), minimum income of $134,400: 29 percent
          Top 1 percent (1.1 million), minimum income of $332,300: 31.2 percent

          Top 1% pay 38.02% of the tax burden
          Top 5% pay 58.72% of the tax burden
          Top 10% pay 69.94% of the tax burden
          Top 25% pay 86.34% of the tax burden
          Top 50% pay 97.30% of the tax burden
          Bottom 50% pay 2.7% of the tax burden

    • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

      Congratulations – you just described the Tea Party Caucus in the House. Actually, you may have been kinder to them than they deserve.

    • TheSkalawag says:

      JDavidS you do know how to turn a phrase. Love it.

  4. medford_resident says:

    You know, if society’s bottom had to pay for all of the “free” stuff they think they’re voting for the way the producer class does, this country would very quickly get its house in order.
    For the bottom: we can’t keep borrowing on the credit card. Your share of the debt is already over $100k. Once YOU pay that back, we can think about borrowing more. You and your idiot president will be this country’s undoing.

    • 788eddie says:

      You can’t pay for anything if you do not have anything. Try to let this sink in a little!

      • medford_resident says:

        yes, lets pretend 50% of our society has nothing so you can keep shirking your duty as a citizen and keep sucking on the teat of your betters.

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

          I’m still waiting for all of those “job creators” to create the Jobs that were promised by the Tax Cuts passed in 2001.

          • medford_resident says:

            you got them. just like all of the new jobs obama “created”
            oh, and by the way, the job creators lost their tax break last year while the leeches got to keep theirs

          • jmprint says:

            Are you a job creator? If so I would hate to work for your greedy company!

          • medford_resident says:

            all of my full time employees make between $50-$80k and have full health benefits, friday afternoon in the summer off, and basically come and go as they please on the honor system. I’m sure your boss treats you better. hahahaha

          • Independent1 says:

            Speaking of leeches – you’re aware right that you’re talking about people who live in GOP run states?? 12 of the 15 states that suck the most welfare dollars are GOP run states. Better be careful – you’re suggesting a governance style that has proven to be a disaster which includes, far higher infant mortality rates, far shorter life expectancy, far higher high traffic mortality and on and on. GOP run states are a very poor example of America!!!

          • medford_resident says:

            yes, lets trot out that old canard. Like NJ being a wonderful democratic state that contributes instead of takes. If you remove the democratic voters of camden, jersey city, newark, atlantic city, and the other cesspool inner cities, NJ would magically turn red. this whole fake state level game is pretty silly. Cali works the same way.

          • darkagesbegin says:

            you are aware that the job creators are the people who have enough disposable income to buy the products and services that you want to sell, aren’t you? and if most people only have enough money to survive they aren’t going to be spending on anything but food and shelter. What makes everyone prosper is more disposable income. Bill Gates didn’t create any jobs with his wealth. People with disposable incomes wanting his products and services created his wealth.

          • medford_resident says:

            sorry, I’m not in the cigarette or malt liquor industry.

          • darkagesbegin says:

            oh, excuse me, I was going to say something but I have to answer my free Obama phone…

            Sorry, that was some nasty ass bureaucrat telling me they’re going to take away my food stamps unless I find a job. Who do they think they are anyway? I am too good to work. Let those poor schmuck “job creators” pay their outrageous 50% tax-rate so I can get my welfare check and buy my dope. Schmucks. Thank God I live in a great country where I don’t have to work…

            Where was I? Oh, yeah, I was going to say something but my drug-addled brain lost its train of thought. I will just go back to my malt liquor and cigarettes and stop bothering you elites so you can create more wealth so it can trickle down to me here on the bottom rung. Thanks, Schmuck. Keep up the good work. And get those other 1%’ers out there to do the same.

          • Independent1 says:

            Yeah! Bush proved without question that trickle-down economics is a fairytale. He gave the wealthy the biggest tax break they’d seen in more than a decade and job creation during his 8 years in office was abysmal – it averaged 31,000 jobs created/month over 8 years. Just comparing that to what some analysts said this August’s job creation of 169,000 jobs was “tepid”, makes August job creation more jobs that were created during any 5 month period during Bush’s disasterous 8 years in office. And the economy during Bush’s 8 years had the most mediocre performance since the Bid Depression. (Only Bush’s dad had a worse job creation rate than he did since WWII.)

          • medford_resident says:

            dear child, the rabble got just as big a tax cut as the rich. Instead of waiting for something to trickle down from your betters, I suggest you get to work. like the successful did.

          • Independent1 says:

            More BS – the “rabble” did not get as big a tax cut as the rich. The tax cut most “rabble” got amounted to a few hundred dollars – the rich got a full 4.6% tax cut which in their income bracket amounted to thousands and for some millions of dollars. GET REAL!!!!!!!!

          • medford_resident says:

            dear child, it was an across the board tax cut. Everyone received the same percentage cut.

          • Independent1 says:

            Exactly, which is why it was Wrong!! a 4.6% tax cut means a heckuva lot more to someone earning 10 million than it does to someone earning 30,000. Bush and Cheney knew that very well. And they knew most Americans wouldn’t realize that by them giving the middle class the same percent as the rich, that the rich would be pocketing thousands and millions while those in the middle class would be pocketing a few hundred bucks at best!!

            And it’s why people who champion for a flat tax, or a sales tax are idiots. Both of those put the greater burden of taxation on those who can afford it the least – the middle class and poor.
            Go peddle your propoganda on Yahoo where there are more clueless like yourself.

          • medford_resident says:

            how deluded. Those of us paying for everything are the ones who should ALWAYS get the tax cut first. EVERYONE got the same %. I understand you think your betters should pay vastly more than you so you can get the services you can’t afford but thats just you being a leech. Intelligent people understand that if you PAY the most, you should get back the most.
            And the only idiots are the ones who think 50% of society shouldn’t pay taxes. That would be YOUR kind. We would not have a spending problem if the bottom 50% felt the pain of their vote. This is why there’s continued governmental waste. half the people just don’t care.
            It’s stunning that leeches like yourself sell this BS in public. You don’t even have enough self awareness to be embarrassed.

        • Justin Napolitano says:

          Believe me, you are not anyone’s better?

      • Bill Boltz says:

        It’s OK 788eddie….don’t try to educate medford. You’re wasting your time. You just can’t fix stupid.

        • 788eddie says:

          Agreed, Bill. But at least I tried.

          • Bill Boltz says:

            Greed is a very powerful emotion. People like this medford idiot are living the highlife off other peoples labor. It dosen’t look to me that this guy manufactures anything or provides anything of real value to society. He’s just successful for now…when his good fortune ends and people get on to his bullshit…he’ll be joining the “bottom” as he so callously names….and I can’t wait to see then what he writes. Someone who is liberal on criminal rights will change their mind once they get mugged. Have a great day my friend 788eddie.

    • Mike Maricle says:

      How Christian of you. Bless your little heart.

      • medford_resident says:

        awwww, how cute Mike, thinking you’re being christian with other people’s money.

        • Justin Napolitano says:

          Fuc your money, shove it up your aZZ. When the time comes and you are on your death bed think about all of that money you can’t take with you to hell. You are a little man with no soul.
          After reading your crap I must say you are one of the most self centered and ungrateful people I have read. You would think with all of your so called success you would have empathy for people less fortunate but instead all you do is call them names.
          You will get yours, I can assure you.

  5. ram1020 says:

    It looks like Obama is inviting gridlock. He says he won’t negotiate on the debt ceiling, and, rather than stating a case FOR his spending program, he is demonizing his would be opponents.

    After the NSA spying and the push for military action in Syria, Obama has lost his free pass card from some of us. He needs to get out there and convince us the merits of his plan vs. the costs. If all he does is badmouth, then what is he hiding?

    • JeriLynn Dringenberg says:

      Sorry but Obama doesn’t spend, he pays the bills and congress spends. Didn’t you pay attention in Civics?

      • ram1020 says:

        JeriLynn, typical snide comment. Obama would be proud. In reality, the Executive branch lays out a budget for Congress to fund. That budget would show where the spending is, and he should make a case for Congress to fund it. At least that’s what they taught in Civics when I went to school.

        • Mike Maricle says:

          Bullshit! Go back to Remedial Civics. Budget bills in the House.

          • ram1020 says:

            Another one that Obama would be proud of. You know that the House has passed a budget every year. It it were that easy, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. We would be s*****d as a country, but we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

            It is a shame that so many people are happy just dissing people that they don’t agree with, even if they don’t know what they are talking about, instead of demanding both parties do their job. But I guess the president sets the tone?

        • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh says:

          ram, if you checked you would see that the Executive branch submits a budged (usually rejected out of hand every year except for 2001 to 2006 submissions). The Senate Republicans, the Senate Democrats, the House Republicans and the House Democrats also are required to submit budgets. Whoever holds the majority in the given chamber usually carries (this cannot be filibustered, either) on a straight up/down vote. Then the three are supposed to be reconciled (that hasn’t happened since 1994).
          Then the House and Senate must vote on the Funding bills. If you guys think Obama Care or the USA PATRIOT Act were ponderous, and that no one reads them, check out some of the funding bills. They generally bundle numerous unrelated departments budgets into a single bill. These bills invariably include “Pork”, and despite the Republican party claim to not load bills with those items, Mitch McConnell is one of the most notorious producers in the Senate.

          • ram1020 says:

            It seems that “pork” is the only thing that gets bipartisan support these days. On the other hand, shouldn’t the discussion be on how money should be spent, rather than playing the old Coke vs Pepsi mindless game?

            The debt ceiling HAS to be raised, but by how much, and based on what spending plan. If the president isn’t willing to get in that discussion, he is failing. If the Republicans play the political game of funding all the excess crap just to defund ACA, then they are failing.

            But I guess if people are happy just blaming one party or the other instead of demanding that the government do their job, then why would anyone in the government do the difficult task of governing?

          • Independent1 says:

            Raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with the budget. The budget is a projection of what needs to be spent (and is supposedly agreed upon by both houses of Congress). In contrast, the raising the debt ceiling is only a formality that’s necessary for the government to PAY THE DEBTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN RUN UP!! It’s like the hospital sending you and bill and you writing a check to pay that bill (raising the debt ceiling is the part about writing the check). For the Republicans to balk at paying for the debts they had already agreed to run up based on government spending that has already occurred – is nothing more than A TOTAL ACT OF STUPIDITY!! But then again, being stupid is a characteristic of being part of the GOP. They proved that pretty convincingly by wasting more than 50 million of yours, mine and every other taxpayers money by idiotically voting more than 40 times to defund Obamacare!!!

        • JeriLynn Dringenberg says:

          You are right about where it starts, he lays out a budget, congress looks at it, they don’t have to adopt anything in the presidents budget…

  6. Independent1 says:

    When a Democrat is in office the GOP is fixated on the deficit and keeps preaching about cutting budgets – something that they have done to the extreme in virtually every GOP governed state with very questionable results. I did a little research and came up with the following poor statistics for GOP run states that may give even the GOP loving posters here on the National Memo something to think about.

    The direction that the GOP is taking the states they govern doesn’t bode well for them taking over governance of the country. Let me know if you agree:

    1) With the GOP apparently loving the NRA, it fits that all 20 of the states with the highest gun ownership rates are all governed by the GOP?? So is it just a coincidence that all 20 of the states with the highest firearm mortality rates are also
    governed by the GOP?

    2) Is it coincidence or just a result of GOP budget cutting (the lack of state help
    for the poor) that has resulted in all 15 of the states with the highest infant
    mortality rates are being governed by the GOP?

    3) Is it coincidence or just the result of GOP budget cutting (the lack of providing
    guidance to the young) that has resulted in 19 of the 20 states which have the
    highest teen birth rates are all GOP governed states (states with more than 31
    teen births/1,000 teens)? And is it a coincidence that the 7 states with the fewest teen pregnancies (20 or less teen births per 1,000) are all Democrat
    governed states?

    4) Is it a coincidence or just a factor of their life styles that all 15 of the states that have the lowest longevity rates (with a low of 75 in Miss. to a high of 78.1 in Nevada) are all governed by the GOP? And that all but one of the 10 states (UT) with
    longevity rates of 80+ are all governed by Democrats?

    5) Is it a coincidence or the result of GOP budget cutting (reduced state help for
    the poor and elderly) that 21 of the 23 states with more than 15% of their residents living below the poverty level are all governed by the GOP? (Two of them are battleground states: Florida and Ohio.)

    6) Is it a coincidence or the result of GOP budget cutting (reduced support for the
    unemployed and poor) that has resulted in 6 of the ten states which have the
    highest percentage of usage of food stamps are states governed by the GOP? And
    when all states are factored together (including the low population states which use food stamps the most) that more than 70% of food stamps go to residents living in states that are governed by the GOP?

    7) Is it a coincidence or the result of GOP budget cutting (reduced help for the
    poor, unemployed and elderly), that makes the 12 states that require the most
    federal aid dollars, based on the percentage of the taxes they pay, all being governed by the GOP?

    8) Is it a coincidence or the love for the NRA and guns that have made12 of the 15 states with the highest homicide rates by using any weapon, that they are states governed by the GOP?

    9) Is it a coincidence or the result of the lack of GOP support for police protection that has made 5 GOP governed states leading the nation in violent crime (South Carolina, Tennessee, Nevada, Louisiana and Florida)? (With 8 of the 10 most violent being governed by the GOP)

    10) Is it a coincidence or the lack of GOP support for police protection that all 25 of the states that lead the nation in highway fatalities are all governed by the GOP?

    11) Is it a coincidence or the result of poor GOP governance that of the 17 states which get the least federal aid when compared to the tax dollars they send to
    Washington, 14 are governed by the Democrats and only 3 of them are GOP
    governed states? And of these 17 states, all ten that get the least percent of federal aid dollars back are Democrat governed states?

    12) Is it a coincidence or a GOP governing principle that has resulted in all 15 of the states that receive the most federal aid dollars (more than $1.75/$1 of taxes paid) are GOP governed states? Are these states deliberately cutting state budgets and taxes so the rich can keep more of their money while foisting the support need by millions of their state’s residents onto the federal government’s food stamp and other welfare programs?

    13) Is it a coincidence or the result of poor GOP governance that of the 10 states where a study has shown that the states with the most people going hungry in America, are all are governed by the GOP. (Missouri, with the 7th most hungry, has a Democrat governor now who is working with a GOP legislature at changing things.)

    14) Is it coincidence or the result of poor GOP governance, that 9 of the 10 states with the highest percentage of “Zombie Homes” in America (homes in foreclosure that have been abandoned) are governed by the GOP? The only Blue State in the top 10 of this list is #6 Maryland that sits next to D.C. which has the highest number of foreclosed homes in America.

    15) Is it a coincidence or a sign of GOP poor governance that the stock market performance since 1900 has been far better when a Democrat was president than when a Republican was president? Even Fox News concedes that from 1900 to 2010, the average stock market return was around 12% when a Democrat was president, while only around 5% when a Republican was president. A NY Times study done in 2005 which tracked the stock market from just after the crash in 1929, showed an even bigger disparity. The NY Times study showed that in the 40 years that a Democrat was in office, the average return was just under 10%; while during the 35 years when a Republican was in office the return was actually below 1%. The NY Times made this projection: If $10,000 had been invested right after the 1929 crash, it would have grown to over $307,000 during the 40 years a Democrat was in office, but to only $11,700 when a Republican was.

    16) Is it a coincidence or the lack of good governance that a state which has been run exclusively by the GOP for more than 20 years (the 2nd largest state economy in America, Texas) ranks so poorly when compared to all other states except when comparing its job creation and taxation rates. Texas has high job creation and low tax rates at the expense of everything else. Texas ranks in the bottom 5 within the country when compared to other states in 21 subjective measures. Measures covering education, police protection, public servant crime, support for the poor, degree of poverty in the state, state infrastructure (highways, parks, public facilities) and foisting its tax burden on the working class. Texas has the distinction of leading the nation by:

    -spending the least tax dollars on education and every other state service/need,
    -being ranked as having the worst state government,
    -having the worst overall healthcare services and healthcare delivery in the nation,
    -having the lowest percent of its residents with health insurance, including the least children with insurance,
    -having the most costly homeowners insurance in the nation,
    -having the worst rate of high school graduation in the nation,
    -having the highest rate of high school dropouts in the nation,
    -being ranked as having the most polluted environment in America.

    • medford_resident says:

      thats a lot of wasted time just to lie. The number 1 state for gun deaths is washington DC, the place with the most restrictive gun laws.
      I didn’t read the rest. Once you lie, you lose the intelligent.

      • Independent1 says:

        You’re not even aware that Washington DC is not a state and is not governed by either a Democrat or Republican?? It doesn’t have a governor. You need to go back to Civics 101!!!

        • medford_resident says:

          sh*t, I’m sorry! lets pretend washington DC doesn’t exist so your little narrative seems correct.

          • roguerunners says:

            Rather pretend like YOU don’t exist!

          • medford_resident says:

            well of course! I’m someone you’re unemployed hump can’t argue with because I have facts on my side.

          • roguerunners says:

            Very much employed, happy to pay my fair share, not going to waist my time on an egotistical, selfish bigot.

          • disqus_6AeSbMRBY2 says:

            medford resident wouldn’t know a fact if it bit him on the face. Facts tend to confuse righties, so they resort to baseless insults. They’re more to be pitied than censured.

          • Independent1 says:

            Let’s hear you state a fact that’s not a lie or distortion!!

          • TheSkalawag says:

            You do have a large number of facts on your side. However they do not affect your side of the ledger in a positive manner and Independent1 has put your behind on blast..

          • Independent1 says:

            My statement is accurate as posted: DC is a ‘DISTRICT’ not a “State” it has no representation in Congress. Hence DC’s name is ‘District of Columbia”. You can’t take the blame away from the GOP Red States for their atrocious lack of true governance by splitting hairs!!!

          • disqus_6AeSbMRBY2 says:

            But….splitting hairs is all the right has left!

          • Sand_Cat says:

            Let’s pretend that DC isn’t next door to the state where until very recently one could buy enough guns to equip a small army in one day, no questions asked. And let’s pretend that there weren’t statistics compiled showing that the majority of guns recovered after use in violent crimes were bought in Virginia. And let’s pretend that in addition to being ignorant, you are clearly arrogant and obnoxious, characteristics that more often than not accompany ignorance and stupidity.
            But why should we pretend? The reality lies before us.

      • Justin Napolitano says:

        The problem is that guns come into DC from all over the nation.
        Without national gun laws it is impossible to enforce the laws in just one city.

      • 788eddie says:

        BTW, I am assuming that Medford is a residential facility for those with mental health issues, and you are, as your title states, a resident?

  7. clarenceswinney says:

    GREATEST SUMMATION ON AMERICAN POLITICS
    ” Suppose a small group of extremely wealthy people sought to systematically
    destroy the U.S. government by (1) finding and bankrolling new
    candidates pledged to shrinking and dismembering it; (2) intimidating or
    bribing many current senators and representatives to block all proposed
    legislation, prevent the appointment of presidential nominees,
    eliminate funds to implement and enforce laws, and threaten
    to default on the nation’s debt; (3) taking over state governments in
    order to redistrict, gerrymander, require voter IDs, purge voter rolls,
    and otherwise suppress the votes of the majority in federal elections;
    (4) running a vast PR campaign designed to convince the American public
    of certain big lies, such as climate change is a hoax, and (5) buying up
    the media so the public cannot know the truth. By Robert Reich
    Would you call this treason?
    If not, what would you call it? ”
    GREATEST SUMMATION ON AMERICAN POLITICS
    ” Suppose a small group of extremely wealthy people sought to systematically
    destroy the U.S. government by (1) finding and bankrolling new
    candidates pledged to shrinking and dismembering it; (2) intimidating or
    bribing many current senators and representatives to block all proposed
    legislation, prevent the appointment of presidential nominees,
    eliminate funds to implement and enforce laws, and threaten
    to default on the nation’s debt; (3) taking over state governments in
    order to redistrict, gerrymander, require voter IDs, purge voter rolls,
    and otherwise suppress the votes of the majority in federal elections;
    (4) running a vast PR campaign designed to convince the American public
    of certain big lies, such as climate change is a hoax, and (5) buying up
    the media so the public cannot know the truth. By Robert Reich
    Would you call this treason?
    If not, what would you call it? “

  8. Lovefacts says:

    Obama can say whatever he wants, but the Republicans aren’t listening. He can claim he cares about the middle class, the retired, and working poor. But unless he’s willing to develop a set, he’s always going to get the short end of the stick. Dealing with the Republican Congress is not like chess but rather poker and stop believing these people care about honor, honest, or American. Like all despots, they are interested in only one thing…power. If Obama wants to protect the good faith and credit of the US, Obama had better be ready to use the 14th Amendment and raise the debt ceiling himself.

  9. alboy5 says:

    There is no free lunch. People that work have to pay their own bills and freeloaders bills. When only 5% of the people have to pay 95% of people who dont work the economy ceases to exist. This means Osama Obama wins and has killed the American economy, and can confiscate their guns and surrender to Iran which he is about to do.

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