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Thursday, March 21, 2019

The exorbitant cost of keeping Melania and Barron Trump in their gold-plated penthouse in New York City has inspired thousands to sign a petition asking that they be forced to leave town. The viral request, titled “Make Melania Trump Stay in the White House or Pay for the Expenses Herself,” already has more than 175,000 signatures. The petition is a response to the drain on city dollars brought on by the stunning security costs—up to $146,000 a day—of keeping Melania and Barron in Trump Tower, according to New York City Police estimates given to the New York Times.

The Trump press team announced late last year that Trump’s wife and son had no plans to move to the White House, remaining in New York City “to keep disruption to a minimum.” The Times report found that the NYPD spends $50 million a year to “to protect the first lady and her son” in their Midtown apartment. That figure would shoot up another $10 million if the president were to start coming home on weekends, which he hasn’t done since entering office.

“The U.S. taxpayer is paying an exorbitant amount of money to protect the first lady in Trump Tower, located in New York City,” the letter accompanying the petition notes. “As to help relieve the national debt, this expense yields no positive results for the nation and should be cut from being funded.”

The Trump presidency has cost taxpayers an unprecedented amount. The Washington Post reported earlier this month that the Secret Service has asked for an additional $60 million to be added to its budget to protect the first family in the coming fiscal year. Almost half of those funds, $28.6 million, would be allotted to cover the hefty bill for keeping Melania and Barron in the city.

Trump—who said during the campaign that he “would not be a president who took vacations”—has spent a staggering amount of his time in office playing golf and chillin’ at his Mar-A-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida. Each trip costs taxpayers $3 million. Those visits are so expensive for locals that Lois Frankel, the politician who represents the district, recently asked Trump either to pay all the costs he’s incurred, or stop showing up and dining and dashing, so to speak.

“While we want the fullest protection for your visits, we hope you would be responsive to the losses of small businesses and residents of Palm Beach County,” Frankel wrote in a statement. “If compensation is not assured of being forthcoming, we respectfully ask that you curtail your visits until such time as that matter is resolved favorably to our area.”

According to the New York Times, the city of New York has only been able to recoup $7 million of its Trump-related expenditures. Back in December, NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted that he had sent “letters to the White House and Congress to request reimbursement for the NYPD’s role in protecting Trump Tower.”

A recent viral social media post erroneously claimed that the annual security costs for Melania outpace the budget of the National Endowment for the Arts, which the president would like to scrap. Though Artnet does note that if “Melania’s NYC security costs $127,000 to $146,000 a day, that is more than the NEA gave out to any arts organization in the United States last year.” The site goes on to point out that “most annual grants are between $10,000 and $100,000, weighted towards the lower end.”

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102 responses to “People Want Melania Trump To Be Forced to Leave NYC”

  1. How obscene and obnoxious is it to pay for this adolescent(Donald J. Trump) and his family of grifters, to be paid to live a life of luxury with the most expensive security a country can offer and all the perks that come with pamper this 1st Family—not just for one, but the entire family living off of America like a swarm of parasites.

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    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      There have often been photos of the Golden Penthouse in Trump Tower. Ironically, the NOCD (Not Our Class Dahling) Knickerbocker wealth in NY do not consider Trump a member of their blue nosed melange. This has been a HUGE thorn in Trump’s side. It is also the reason he slathered his penthouse in gold walls and spent wildly on the furnishings.

      The cost alone for huge signs all over his properties bearing his name in 10 foot high letters is proof he worries more about his perceptions of being wealthy than he does of the actual wealth he claims he has.

      Really? So why is Deutchebank worrying whether he will pay them?

      • Aaron_of+Portsmouth says:

        Donald reminds me of the “Kolder”, and the hounds, in Andre Norton’s “The Witch World” series. I was reading about her, having read the series some time ago, and remembered that you said you do Science Fiction writing. Perhaps you’re familiar with Andre Norton(Alice Mary Norton at birth)?

      • Aaron_of+Portsmouth says:

        Donald sometimes reminds me of the “Kolder”, in Andre Norton’s “The Witch World” series.

  2. Dapper Dan says:

    If 45 was a decent person which he’s not he’d stop taking all these unnecessary trips on the taxpayers dime. If he can’t pay for these personal jaunts himself then either stay put in DC or resign

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Decency and 45 are an oxymoron. Now that there is the strong possibility of the Senate getting that MI6 agent who provided that dossier on Trump’s “lurid” acts and other data, Trump must be in a real tizzy.

      He may have controlled the House of Reps. through King Rat Ryan and his spy, Devin Nunes, but with only a 2 Senate seat majority, Trump has no such inroad to obstructing the Senate investigation. Not even with McConnell who these days is suspected of collusion with the Russian hacking by virtue of his own statement last November, “We will let things take their course,” when asked about the hacking.

      My guess is that Trump will go for the “big one” whether by false flag terrorist attack or simply by making anyone connected to the Senate investigation mysteriously ill do they disappear.

      Some forget that Bannon was the one who said publicly, “We plan to destroy the administrative state.” Bannon is a thug who makes sure NO one gets in his way.

    • TZToronto says:

      “Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

      Trump (any of them): “Huh?”

  3. FireBaron says:

    Could you imagine the consternation if the Mayor instructed the Chief of Police to withdraw the extra security from TT and force the GAO to take a close look at how much Teflon Donnie is costing this country?

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Don’t know if you’ve seen the massive security all over Manhattan. You’d think there was an immiment terrorist threat. For over one mile on both sides of Fifth Avenue. Can you imagine? Fifth Avenue where the poshest shopping emporioums are located, there sits Trump Tower now mainly inaccessible to these shops without proper “ID.”

      Don’t think for one minute Trump and his gaggle of family grifters don’t love being treated with the highest security this nation has ever provided anyone. Not even the Pope got roof top armed gun men or mile long military on both sides of Fifth Avenue.

      Worse, the airports, sports arenas and streets accessible in any way to Fifth Avenue have armed military. All for Trump. Then, the righties wonder why he is THE most hated White House faker president?

      • kep says:

        That was definitely your Emperor that holds that title catlady.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          I’m 45 minutes from Trump Tower, the most ostentatious show off building on Fifth Avenue. What the hell would YOU know from your shack window in DogPatch?

          Our president of 8 years was THE MOST respected and admired. The only reason the morons of the right hate him is because 90% of them live on welfare in Republican states all with the highest records of welfare in the country.

          From a shack window, all you get to see is the White Lightnin’ still some backwoods hick hides from the “laws.” Time for you righties to take the fall. This time when you fall on your asses, that’s where you stay.

          • kep says:

            The Emperor was only respected by stupid liberal commies. No one else in the world respected him. He was weak, and spineless. Most of what is happening in the world can be laid at the feet of the Emperor and his commie supporters. It’s really too bad we let immigrants like you into our country. We should never have let you Europeans settle here. The neighborhood has suffered ever since.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            The only fool here is you. Stupid, Momma’s boy males like you always assume you know it all. If you did, you’d be a real hit at Trump Tower.

            Trump is guilty. There is no other reason for him to constantly sabotage investigations. Not that it ever does any conservative any good to allow a CON MAN like Trump to BS his way to world leadership.

            Too bad that CONservatives got the CONman they wanted. Now, he takes credit for jobs at GM he didn’t create and GM calls him a “liar.” He takes credit for a staged Syrian attack he hoped would show distance between him and Putin.

            As for allowing you and your indentured slaves to come to the US, you managed to prove your gross insecurity every time you hicks try to find someone, anyone you hope will be your inferior.

            You ARE inferior. You are not even a valid human being. And in case you have never seen the poem on the statue of Liberty plaque, written by Emma Lazarus, the first thing you and your indentured slave ancestors saw, “The New Colossus” here it is: Eat your heart out CONman:

            Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
            With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
            Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
            A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
            Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
            Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
            Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
            The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
            “Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
            With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
            Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
            The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
            Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
            I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

            Note that Emma Lazarus used the words “might woman?” oooooh must really beat your meat right?

          • kep says:

            LOL. I always love your posts. I read your vile drivel to be amused. Kinda like watching primates at a zoo. Liberals try hard to mimic being American, and or that matter, human, but still not quite there. You, Catlady, need to work even harder at it.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Please spare me. The only thing you like about my posts is your ability to try and get the last word. What’s the matter Mommy’s little man? Mommy was your authority figure and you’ve been bitching about it ever since?

            But you better not wipe your ass with that roll of Charmin anymore. It is manufactured by a “liberal.” Use your hand.

            Sorry moron. The only level of any post you understand is at third grade level.

            How’s that welfare check? Not enough so you get paid to troll? Figures, a no talent, no skill, no education moron doesn’t have much to earn a living from.

          • kep says:

            Really? You are a broken record spewing vile lies and insults. I truly think you are a threat to anyone you come into contact with. You have no base in reality, and only seem to be able to spew your vile and hate, without really having any facts or truth. Find a good mental health facility to check into. Someone will fgeed your cats.

    • dpaano says:

      They certainly are not getting paid by Trump…..from what I understand, the NYPD has billed the White House for the extra security, but like the contractors who worked for Trump….they aren’t getting paid. If I were the Police Commissioner, I’d step away from protecting the president with extra NYPD police officers! Let the Secret Service deal with it!

  4. FT66 says:

    New Yorkers have all rights to ask Melania to stop being like a parasite to them. It has always been “take and give back”. There is nothing New Yorkers get back from her. To functions well, always it is good to have two ways traffic, and not one way only.

  5. 1Zoe55 says:

    At least the folks in New York did not vote for tRUMP, whereas the rich ones in West Palm Beach, Florida did vote for hjim and now are getting shafted. Again, these same tRUMP supporters wanted a businessman and, boy, did they get a grifter. Trump and his entire family view the presidency as another money-making venture to their benefit. And they can all declare bankruptcy leaving the American taxpayer to pony up. tRUMP himself had no idea of how difficult and demanding the job of being President could be, nor does he seem inclined to learn. tRUMP is and was unfit to hold any office in America.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      People in NY City and the five boroughs loathe Trump. It isn’t a mean spirited reason for that loathing. It is the decades long experience of watching him pull off more dirty business deals than can be imagined.

      If you don’t want to sell your property, well the Emperor Trump pays off a few embedded dirty politicians and you get the property on the cheap.

      Trump is an expert at money laundering. When FinCEN fined him $25 million, he used the wages he owed his employees to pay that fine.

      But righties think all manner of skankola is just fine and dandy.

      The best part is that Trump doesn’t DARE set foot in NJ thanks to his bilking union contractors who want to do a Jimmy Hoffa on him.

    • dpaano says:

      From what I understand, there was a boat load of money donated by big businesses, etc. for the inauguration…..most of which was not used. No one seems to know what happened to the rest of the money not used for that fiasco…..wanna bet it’s in 45’s pocket?

  6. Independent1 says:

    Where are all the right-wing trolls who couldn’t stop claiming Obama was taking so much vacation and playing so much golf and costing taxpayers so much money? When Trump’s travel and other expenses will greatly exceed in one year what was spent on Obama vacations and traveling over his entire 8 years in office. And when in reality Obama took the least vacation of any president in the past 50 years and although he played a bit of golf, it was virtually always around DC and I’m sure he used some of that golf to improve his relationships with people he had to work out deals with even some Republicans.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Don’t be fooled that the golf course isn’t where Trump is pulling off some more of his dirty “deals.” This is what he meant when he said that being on the golf course had other benefits. Sure…invite billioniare to play on your golf course and they will be a huge ROI when they bring their business clients to your golf course at the cost of $10,000 a pop.

    • dpaano says:

      And, as I mentioned, presidents pay for their own vacations…..they don’t pay for Air Force One or their security details as they are required for all presidents. The president even pays for all the food that he and his family eat in the White House, as well as any dinner parties that he throws. People don’t seem to realize that, but it’s the truth!

      • Independent1 says:

        Which is why some presidents leave office almost broke – it used to be 200,000/yr and that doesn’t go very far if you’re doing a lot of big league entertaining. (The government pays if the entertaining can be substantiated as being something that promotes government activities like entertaining foreign dignitaries. But a lot of entertaining some presidents do is more PR related or to satisfy their own initiatives.)

        But the fact presidents have to pay for the food eaten in the WH may be one reason Trump skips town and goes to Florida every weekend where he can eat where he’s providing the food for the restaurant at his resort. Trump’s a big enough cheapskate he’d run up millions at taxpayer expense just so he could save a hundred bucks or more of food costs a weekend.

        • dpaano says:

          The big problem is that when President Obama was in office, the GOP had a hissy fit whenever he had a trip or a vacation, and they failed to let their base know that the taxpayers DID NOT pay for most of his vacations. So, most people seem to think that all the president’s expenses are covered by taxpayer dollars, which is not so!
          The problem with 45’s many trips to Mar-a-Lago is that he may save money on food for himself, but he’s spending taxpayer money on his security and the $3 he’s spent on the use of Air Force One…..those are things that WE pay for. I’m glad that he’s worried about how much HE spends, but he doesn’t seem to care about how much of OUR hard-earned money he spends!

          • Independent1 says:

            Right. Trump doesn’t care how much us taxpayers spend on him as long as he’s making money in the deal. You can probably bet that when he takes these foreign leaders golfing at his golf resorts in Fla that he’s charging us taxpayers the maximum amount he can for those rounds of golf. Trump is all about making himself as much money as possible at every opportunity.

  7. Eleanore Whitaker says:

    The reality of being a Grifter in Chief is that this mentality possesses ZERO ability to care how much they cost others. When the right wing tells all of us that we must “give Trump a chance,” those of us who are already paying the cost of his grifting in our states know best why he should not be president of anything but his own golden penthouse bathroom.

    The reality is that Melania Trump is NOT wanted in the White House. Trump knows that with her broken English and Slovenian ways, she forces him to admit he is the one who LOVES immigrants the most. His marriage to his first immigrant wife lasted far longer than his Georgia Peach second wife. He wouldn’t make that mistake again.

    The city of New York just happens to be a gateway for tens of millions of visitors and tourists every year. No other city in the US can make that claim.

    Melania Trump runs her “at home” business like Ivanka Trump will run hers..from her White House “home.”

    You can only imagine the Republican and right wing furor if President Obama named Sachia or Malia a “chief advisor.”

    Of course, we all know the real reason Ivanka has to be at her Daddy’s “side.” All those 44 prior presidents haunting Trump day and night makes it impossible for him to get a full night’s sleep with his daughter at his side.

    Who needs a wife, when a daughter has always been Daddy Dearest’s bed partner? And how very convenient of Daddy Dearest to free up her time now that her legal husband is going to do all of the work of reinventing the US government. The cuckold Kushner getting sold out by his Daddy in law must be a real trade off when Daddy’s money come between Ivanka and Kushy.

    • TZToronto says:

      Egad! It it were to be revealed that what you suggest is actually happening, all of those evangelicals who saw Trump as their ticket to finally turning the USA into an intolerant religious state might have to rethink their adoration of their new savior. I say “might” because even that is probably acceptable as long as the “other” is sufficiently persecuted.

    • dpaano says:

      Yeah, I did notice how often Kushner is off traveling hither and yon doing 45’s job for him! Why doesn’t 45 do his OWN traveling instead of sending his minions to do his job? He needs to get off his lazy ass, put away his golf clubs, and start doing his job!! His son-in-law should NOT be traveling to various countries and meeting with heads of state…..that’s what the president is supposed to do! If he’s just going to sit around and sign bills and play golf, it would be more profitable for us to get rid of him! After all, he hasn’t done a damned thing since he was elected, and he’s given to delegating his job to anyone he can…..even delegating foreign policy, etc., to “his generals.” Unlike President Obama, who required the generals to check with him before setting off bombs, etc., 45 doesn’t seem to care what his military do, nor does he seem to understand the consequences and the fact that when things go wrong…..the buck stops at his desk! After all, he can delegate all he wants, but he’s still the de facto Commander in Chief of our military!

  8. ORAXX says:

    Just imagine the response of the congressional Republicans, and the right wing babble-sphere, had Michelle Obama done something similar. The stench of Republican hypocrisy defies description. I can certainly understand her reluctance to live with Trump in the White House, or anywhere else for that matter, but the tax payers should be forced to foot the bill for the Trump’s marital issues.

    • dpaano says:

      I agree….if I were Melania, I’d want to be as far away from the orange-haired idiot as possible! No wonder they have separate bedrooms. I think the ONLY reason that they are still married is because she made a “deal” with 45 to stick with him no matter what! I seriously don’t think they even sleep together…..except maybe the one time that they conceived Barron….another “entitled” Trump child!

  9. chino49p says:

    There needs to be a nation wide petition to force drump and his family to pay for all their BUSINESS travel expenses such as uday & qusay jetting here and there, melania staying in New York instead of the WH, and drump himself always tripping to his resorts and golf courses. He is costing the taxpayers millions already and it hasn’t even been six months yet. He also needs to be forced to abide by the emoluments clause which prohibits him from being enriched by foreign entities staying at his properties or buying his junk.

    To say that this is just unprecedented is naive. This is actually OBSCENE. drump is raping our country and laughing all the way.

    • kep says:

      Perhaps BILLIONS of US taxpayers dollars were spent for the Emperors lavish vacations, and you want to complain about Trump, who usually has been p[paying his own way? It isn’t people saying she should leave NYC. It is LIBERALS, that just barely pass for human.

      • 788eddie says:

        keep, you’re one lame excuse for a human being.

        Time to go home, kep; Moscow is waiting (your family, probably, too).

    • dpaano says:

      See my notes above about presidents and what they are required to pay for…..the only thing that 45 doesn’t have to pay for is Air Force One and his security detail, both of which are required for all presidents and their families. However, I agree that his family should pay their own way, especially his idiot sons, when they travel on Trump business! Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for this….it’s a blatant ethics violation to my way of thinking!!

  10. ps0rjl says:

    All hail King Trump. As for the common people, well let them eat cake. I’d like to know how much Trump is making renting rooms to the government at Mar A Lago and at Trump Towers. The man is a buffoon but he sure can figure out how to make money off the government. His removal from office can’t come soon enough. I wonder how long before he throws Nunes under the bus?

    • kep says:

      I think you are confused. Emperor Obama is gone. We now have a REAL American President, not some Kenyan interloper.

      • ⭐️better than you⭐️ says:

        I always forget that you’re a birther, because not even your Russian masters take birthers seriously these days.

      • 788eddie says:

        Hey look, everyone; another Putin-loving Trump troll.

        Hey keep, time for your flight back to Moscow.

        • kep says:

          I’m a native born American. My roots have been in this country before it was a country. I served my country during the Viet Nam War. What have you served besides yourself and your communist handlers? Perhaps YOU should consider returning to your roots in Mother Russia?

          • ps0rjl says:

            So what Kep? I also served. I was in the Marines from 1969 thru 1971. It has been proven without a doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. As for your REAL American comment, please define what a REAL American is. I am a life-long Democrat and liberal. However I think I am as much a real American as you are. You obviously define Trump as a REAL American. Do you realize that once Trump was A!, he suddenly had a bad case of bone spurs? He found a doctor that with his daddy’s position and money he miraculously developed a draft deferment much like many young men in his upper class did.

      • 788eddie says:

        Hey, kep, it’s more like President Obama is gone, and now we have a real Emperor in Mar-A-Lago.

    • dpaano says:

      The Secret Service pays a ton of money to rent a floor in Trump Tower so that they can monitor 45’s security. I’m not sure how much they pay for their stay at Mar-a-Lago, but you can be sure that the taxpayers pay for it and, as I said above, it goes directly into 45’s pocket! His weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago are draining the country’s budget significantly, and to date, he spent more on these trips than President Obama spent in his entire 8 years in office!

  11. Lynda Bates says:

    She can and should stay in NYC. Why should she be First Lady? She is not an actress who could play the role. What does need to be done is for the TRUMP family to pay it’s own bills. They are REALLY RICH and SMART. Thy can figure out what they need and pay for it. They don’t need or deserve the public to pay for their security, travel, or entertainment.

    • dpaano says:

      Again, the presidents DO pay for their own vacations, entertainment, dinners, etc. The ONLY thing they do not pay for is the use of Air Force One and their security details, both of which are required when you are president. But, as you said, I wonder just HOW MUCH of 45’s Mar-a-Lago expenses he actually pays out of his own pocket! You can be sure that the main reason he has most foreign heads of state come to Mar-a-Lago is because he can charge them and their entourage for their stay, which, to me, is an ethics question or a conflict of interest question. After all, the Secret Service pays tons of money to rent a floor in the Trump Tower so that they can keep on top of his security…..and all that money comes from taxpayers and goes directly into 45’s pockets!

      • InformedVoter says:

        Hello racist and bigot for using racial slurs. So ask yourself “who paid for obozo’s travel when he was out campaigning for HilLIARy”? According to your warped logic, it should have been the DNC or HilLIARy’s campaign. WRONG! We the taxpayers footed the ENTIRE bill for ALL obozo’s trips for HilLIARy.
        I can’t wait to here your response.

    • 788eddie says:

      Melania may have also been an illegal alien at one time. How’s that for a laugh; the righties are supporting an illegal while decrying illegals in our country.

      What a bunch of losers!

  12. itsfun says:

    How much did we pay for Michelle’s vacations, and other family members?

    • 788eddie says:

      Compared to the Mango Mussolini’s spouse, it was negligible.

      • kep says:

        BS. The Emperor spent BILLIONS of American taxpayer’s dollars on lavish vacations and golf. Trump doesn’t take a salary, and usually pays his own way, whereas the Emperor and his family, lived the lifestyle of royalty.

        • 788eddie says:

          It must be nice to be in your own world – are the people there friendly?

        • 788eddie says:

          The figures are out there for everyone to see, kep. So far, tRump is on course to surpass Obama’s eight-year total of just over 90 million sometime later on this year.

          You really need to read up on this.

          • kep says:

            You should stop believing the liberal propaganda. You have been fed nothing but lies for decades . Liberals have hijacked the Democratic Party to the point that it is now the New Amerikan Communist Party. Perhaps you should stop reading the liberal propaganda?

          • 788eddie says:

            Perhaps you should stop believing the fascist-conservative press’ lies. These people do NOT have your, or the American public’s, best interest at heart. All they care about is their own pocketbooks and how they can consolidate the power to keep their vast wealth.

            It is not the “liberals” hijacking the Democratic Party. What are you afraid of; they are in the minority in all branches of the current government.

            The real fear is that this current crop of conservatives are finally being unmasked for the greedy charlatans that they are.

            God help America!

            And save us from the likes of you!

          • dpaano says:

            Isn’t it interesting that, all of a sudden, three Russian-paid trolls popped up all at the same time…..Kep, Informed Voter, and Itsy. Personally, I think they are one and the same or come from the same Russian troll factory!

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poor Eddie, still living in the low information tree I see. obozo spent almost $100 million to take his African vacation alone.
            Also, when obozo went golfing, it was with fund raisers. And the tax payers picked up the tab for those.
            When President Trump goes golfing, it’s with world leaders, and as such is a legitimate presidential function.
            You may wish to stop with “you really need to read up on this” comment after you got slam dunked about your comments that the auto bailout make millions, and that HilLIARy was so far ahead in the polls that it would be a landslide victory.
            Just saying

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Where is your proof Obama EVER took an African vacation? Did your Big Daddy rape a black slave? And you are pissed because a bi racial president surpassed you in intelligence?

            You may wish stop lying. Oh right. It’s all you fanatical wingers have to exist for.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poor, poor Elle. Obviously you love making a big FOOL of yourself! First, you made yourself look really dumb by claiming not one, but 2 different 30 year careers as to you being knowledgeable about the formation of the EC.
            All that drivel about Texas gaining EC seats and “Just A Citizen” ripping your comments to shreds really made you look dumber than dirt.
            Now you say “Where is your proof Obama EVER took an African vacation?” This just shows how truly UNIFORMED you are! Duh, Like in 2013, way back about 4 years ago, after obozo got reelected (the worst case of voter fraud in history), obozo and his “family” spent over $100 million for a family African vacation.
            I guess you must have been fetching coffee for you clerical boss (and a man too) when that occurred.
            The following LIBERAL link expresses concern about the $60-100 million for this vacation, but when the final bills came in, it was closer to $110 million for obozo’s African vacation.
            So go ahead and try to convince folks you have had 10 different careers in a attempt to make your pitiful life important. Those of us who can read your drivel can readily see you’re just another penis envy witch.
            I can’t wait for your hate-filled response to yet another pitiful post that you seem to make on a regular basis.
            Dumb, low information, close minded, intolerant, bigoted and racist is what you are and it shows!
            Even AofP has abandoned defending your garbage. You can stop your lying, but how else could you convince anyone to believe your lying comments. Oh, poor, poor Elle.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Hey asshat! I can prove my careers. Can you? You can find any number of my former dance students on my FB page. You can also find my job record at any of the companies I worked for.

            You have no job experience. Who the hell pays a hate filled nut like you to troll day after day to do nothing more than try and smear the reputations of people of great achievement that benefitted lazy bums like you?

            As for $100 million, come up with the proof. You have none moron.

            The reason NY people want Melania gone is not because of her or her dumb ass kid Barron. It’s because of “who” she represents and what she turned 5th Avenue into for “her protection.” …a militarized zone.

            As for Obama, you are just one jealous hater bigot. He has more accomplishments for the country and the world which is why he and not your whore lover HUMP is the world’s most admired.

            You want to tell us why the Whore Lover in the White House has the lowest rating of any U.S. President history?

            At this point in Obama’s history he already had more than 53% approval to Whore Lover’s 30%. Explain that one prickface.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Oh, wow, you have so many friends on FB. You’re like all the others who say “I have 1700 friends” and they never even met one of them.
            I sent proof that obozo spent $100 million for his family African vacation. They sources were liberal. That’s part of the problem you low information lefties suffer from. You spout garbage and when you’re proven wrong, you claim you never saw the proof.
            Gee, isn’t that what happened in the last election? The FAKE MSM polls kept churning out numbers that even Rachel Madcow claimed would make it impossible for HilLIARy to lose. You just can’t seem to handle the truth.
            And those approval polls are just another example of the FAKE MSM efforts. OK, I’ll let you in on a little secret, part of the work I get paid to do is to sift through the bias that the FAKE MSM injuects into their reporting. The adjusted approval numbers for obozo never topped 40 and now rest in the low 30s. The mess in NK and Syria are lowering his numbers even more. The adjusted approval numbers for President Trump has stayed pretty steady – upper 50s almost reaching 60.
            I know you’re scream BS, but isn’t that what you low information lefties did prior to the MANDATE the voters presented President Trump with?
            Once more, your lack of education, limited work experience and naivety have doomed you.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Unlike you, I don’t go around making enemies first off. I make friends with anyone who wants to BE friends. I have two “best” friends, a male and a female, with whom I’ve had a friendship for more than 3 decades.

            Unlike you assface, I am not a slithering snake who poisons everything you get next to.

            I want to see that goddamn proof of that $100 million you are lying about. I checked on several fact checking sites and not a single one of them has ANY proof of what you posted.

            Did you and Putin stay up all night thinking up more of that smear tactic BS?

            You don’t have a president. You have a crook who has cheated people out of billions by now and you are too hick and stupid to admit it.

            The only one who was taught in some “y’all all” hick school is you. Your posts all prove.

            Now…Get the goddamn proof of what you posted or I report you to to have a troll like you invest

            Stop eating where you BS. Your breath is why you have NO friends.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poor Elle, you are out of touch with reality. You should look over your posts from the past 18-24 months and tally up how many times you male bashed and used negative terms to describe anyone who did not agree with you.
            I, and many others, have called you out on many occasions for your gutter comments. Now you claim that you don’t go around making enemies? You’re a joke!
            And you are naive to think that because someone BFFs you that they are really a friend.

            I produced the proof from two liberal news sources for the $100 million African vacation. I can’t help it if your low level clerical background was not robust enough for you to be able to do the same type of research.

            You’re like the big bad wolf, you huff and puff and produce nothing of value. You join in forums and post fiction as being fact and when you get your ass kicked, you threaten and howl.
            I’m still waiting for you ladies coffee club to come kick my male butt. Oh, I forgot, your champion didn’t win. Oh my.


          • 788eddie says:

            From all the “up arrows” don don’t get, I think you’re in a minority of one.

            I think the best bet for the rest of us logical thinkers is to just IGNORE the Trump-iidiots like you, and to put our efforts into not letting our country go down the tubes.

            Positive signs: since tRump got elected with a minority of actual votes, the anti-tRump and anti-con wave has blossomed in our country. Combine this with the shrinking “old-white-male” demographic, and the future is beginning to look brighter. That is if tRump doesn’t start a nuclear war and wipe us all out.

          • InformedVoter says:

            And you wonder why you’re so low information. TNM is a far left, liberal forum. Thus, how many low information posters, who get their information from the FAKE MSM, do you think would up arrow me? Duh! These are all the same low information sheep who still believe HilLIARy is going to win.
            In your case, you kept posting comments that the NATIONAL polls were spot on, but NO ONE who understands the presidential elections would put ANY faith in NATIONAL polls. Yet you keep defending them.

            You are also wrong about the GOP base. President Trump received his MANDATE from the working class voters. These are not white males. In fact President Trump received 47% of the vote from college educated females. This, after all the bashing from the FAKE MSM. Now the number of college educated females who support President Trump is over 50%!
            Oh wow. Looks like it’s the Dems who are losing their base.
            If a confrontation with NK occurs, obozo will be the fall guy! This is according to the foreign press. obozo is looking worse by the day.

          • 788eddie says:

            Dear Ellie,
            I’ve been following that troll who calls himself “InformedVoter” (but in reality is mis-informed about everything). He’s not worth the effort. He will die in his own mis-informed swill.

            He’s a FAWOMFT (Frequently argued Waste Of My Time).

            Thank you for your infinite patience and good nuggets of information, though. I’ve been using some of them on my neighbor, who, although a conservative, is no longer enamored of Trump and his crowd of unqualified people of his administration.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Wow are you ever naive. Elle is totally ignorant of how the EC is formed. She babbled about gerrymandering and paying off electors. She’s even dumber than you.
            You’re still fuming because you believed the FAKE MSM and got sucker punched.
            If you’ve truly been following me, then you know that I’ve shredded just about everyone of you low information dummies. Not hard to do considering your insistence on watching FAKE MSM sources like Rachel Madcow.
            All you lefties have is some mediocre actors who give you false hopes by mocking President Trump.
            Too bad you didn’t see all the overseas press and the way they mocked obozo. They constantly had cartoons of obozo being lampooned by China and Russia. Of course our FAKE MSM never even mentioned that did they? Just like they lied to you about who was leading in the polls.
            Oh I forgot, you still think HilLIARy is leading in the polls.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            awwww…what’s the matter asshat? Another poster who has YOUR number.

            I’ve told you to post proof. Now your opinion which since you are mentally deformed cannot be reliable under ANY circumstances.

            I think the fact that others agree with ME and NOT you proves you are wasting your time. Get another toy. A computer keyboard isn’t exactly your strong suit.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poor low information Elle, no real friends! Like your slimy low information lefties, you deny receiving proof when it’s been provided on more than one occasion. No wonder you dummies keep thinking HilLIARy is going to win the election.
            More lies from you, only ONE dummy poster agrees with you, thus you LIE by saying “others”. You’re a pathetic example of a penis envy, poorly educated, menial job holder, who’s just angry at the world!
            You’ve had EVERY one of your posts shredded and you know it. Why you keep setting yourself up to get your comments torn apart by every knowledgeable poster is beyond me. The real tragedy is that you think you come across as someone who even understands what is being discussed.
            Tell us again how gerrymandering affects population by state. Duh!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Poor pathetic Misiunformed. You really need to update your writing style. It is boring to the max. You love that word “poor” because you know your entire life has been lived on welfare. Admit it.

            As for you morons who voted for Trump. Tell you what big mouth. How about you help NJ taxpayers pay off those 6 corporate bankrutpcie Trump dumped on our state?

            Every one of your posts have been proven wrong by posters other than me. And yet, like a mentally ill moron, you continue to try and push push push push your stupid opinions on us.

            Every Republican President since Warren Harding with the exception of Eisenhower, has dumped a recession on this country. Go ahead shitforbrains, deny it.

            And every one of those Recessions except Bush ’41’s occurred in their 2nd Terms..Bush ’41 didn’t get a second chance to screw up the economy.

            You just don’t have the balls to admit Trump is a crook. Only jerks like you allow a man with over 250 fines and lawsuits, 3 of them for money laundering to make it to the White House.

            Only asslickers like you allow a pig who frequents the most sexually deviant Russian brothels to find his 2 golddigger wives. Only asswipes like you can’t stand that you have not now NOR ever WILL be able to compare a low life gutter tripe like Trump to our President Obama.

            Why can’t you asshat visit foreign countries? By this time in the Obama presidency, he had already won a Nobel Prize, passed the ACA healthcare reform and got 8 million you asswipes put out of work an extension on the unemployment you morons dumped on them from 2004 to 2008.

            Not to worry, Bush ’43 ended his 8th year of his presidency with the Sept. 2008 Financial Meltdown that pissed off international banking systems around the world.

            Great work from Republican Big Business boys. They rake in our tax dollars while they let bums like you spend your last days on earth bitching about liberals, Obama, Hillary and the shitpaper you wipe with manufactured by liberals.

            Get a job you lazy big mouth bum. You are about as worthless as a wart on a pig.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Elle, you’re so poorly informed and you are too stupid to even know it!
            obozo got the Nobel prize for doing nothing! It was an honorary award because he was black!
            And NO the ACA DID NOT PASS during his first 100 days! Duh, how stupid can you make yourself look? Pretty damn stupid!

            As to the 4 (no it’s not 6, and even HilLIARy only said 4 during the debates – it’s the FAKE MSM who make the claim it’s 6 – but these are the same FAKE MSM who said there was no way for President Trump to win the election), the folks of NJ are and did not pay. It was the investors, like President Trump himself, who lost money. You are so stupid to even suggest that the state lost money, unless they were also investors.

            And your FAKE claims of Russian brothels go no where. In fact it was Clinton (both of them) who were caught in brothels!

            And there you go again with your FAKE claims that President Trump and lawsuits and fines. You made the claim before the primaries that he would be arrested. Duh, I’m still waiting, and waiting and waiting.

            Your problem is you’re pretty stupid! You make crap up and then believe it. You have had just about all your posts shredded and quite easily I might say.

            Unlike you, I’m gainfully employed in a real career. Meanwhile, you have nothing but your 12 FAKE 30-year careers, and when someone shreds your comments, you just make up another 30-year career.

            You’re what’s wrong with the Dem party and why it’s fast fading away.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            788Eddie..I just love making Misinformed prove how desperate “it” is to insist it is “informed.”

            You’ll notice not a single one of his posts EVER have any factual information.

            I have NO patience for igorant fools like this nut. He knows he can’t win with me. I know all the signs of mental illness from nuts like him. They almost live in a world where there is a wall in their minds that closes off reality…rofl.

            Maybe, I just get a thrill knowing I make a jerk of Misinformed. A toy of my own to dangle.

          • 788eddie says:

            And I think you’re doing an impressive job of it, Eleanor.

            Enjoy the Toy!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Thank you Eddie! These days, you have to get your “fun” wherever you can find it. All the doom and gloom of these wingers begins to bore the hell out of me..rofl.

          • dpaano says:

            Even if he DID take an African “vacation,” President Obama paid for that vacation with his own money! People don’t seem to realize that presidents don’t get a “free ride” when they are on vacation. They DO get the use of Air Force One and their security people, but that’s requirements of being a president. Any other costs for family vacations, etc., are paid for by the president himself out of his OWN money.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Hello racist and bigot for using racial slurs; NOPE, obozo did not pay for that African vacation himself, nor did the DNC cover the costs. It was us, the taxpayers who, footed that bill!
            The proof provided was from two liberal news sources and they had no problem with mildly condemning obozo for spending such a large sum for his vacation.

          • 788eddie says:

            And Trump has taken seven weekends to Mar-A-Lago for golfing, at taxpayer expense. He is on course to pass President Obama’s eight-year vacation expenses sometime this month. Hope you enjoy paying for it; it may be the money for your future health care.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Must you keep displaying your ignorance? obozo golfed on many dates with FUND RAISERS at our expense. President Trump has golfed with WORLD LEADERS trying to fix all the problems obozo created with his fake global plan for the US.

            The money spent to support President Trump has paid off already in the vastly improved relations with our allies and other world leaders.

            Try do a little information gathering before spouting off FAKE MSM lies.

          • 788eddie says:

            “vastly improved relations with our allies and other world leaders!?!” You’ve got to be kidding, or are blissfully and totally ignorant! Most of the rest of the world is still in shock of his insulting behavior, or are laughing at the U.S. that we could have elected such a buffoon.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Sorry Eddie, but the world is NOT in shock. They were in shock when we elected obozo, not once, but twice. We have been the laughing stock of the world for 8 years and the fact that you are ignorant to that fact speaks volumes of your low information situation.
            With President Trump’s bold leadership, world leaders are once more looking to the US to lead the world. This has been totally lacking with obozo.

          • 788eddie says:

            In spite of your unfounded and misinformed accusations, President Obama (see, I can spell his name correctly), and his family have never been connected with scandal, unlike other recent (or present) presidents.

            I guess you remain mis-InformedVoter.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Sorry low information Eddie; but obozo has and continues to be involved in scandals. Just because the FAKE MSM ignores them, doesn’t mean they’re not there. The overseas press does not coddle and pimp for obozo (see I know how to spell too). In fact, they treated him pretty rudely.
            I expect you’re complain “what scandal”, but then you’ll just be demonstrating how low information you continue to be. Just like old Elle got destroyed because she is part of the low information posting crowd, you just got your post shredded. And the sad part is you don’t even know it.
            So are you claiming that obozo didn’t take a $100 million African vacation? Are you claiming that obozo golfed with fund raisers while President Trump (give respect because it’s earned) golfed with other world leaders to make the world and the USA safer, is not a good thing? See what I mean about you being low information and naive? I bet you still think HilLIARy is going to win the election. You believed in the FAKE MSM polls that they knew were inaccurate. The overseas polls had President Trump winning. Even Michael Moore, after having gone overseas, came back and shouted that HilLIARy was NOT in the lead. You low information turkeys just laughed at him (and me). So how did that work out for you?

          • 788eddie says:

            I laugh at your completely idiotic attempts to tarnish President Obama with fake accusations. Absolutely NOBODY is falling for it!

            Look at the number of “up arrows” you’re getting. None! That’s because everyone recognizes you for the Putin troll that you are.

            You’re an absolute waste of oxygen!

          • InformedVoter says:

            Gee eddie, it seems that you made the same claims about my posts that said the FAKE MSM were lying about how HilLIARy was leading in the polls. So, how did that work out for you?
            Oh cry me a river, so none of your low information, fellow posters don’t up arrow my comments. That still does not make me wrong does it.
            obozo was and is once more embroiled in scandals. obozo’s approval ratings (corrected for bias) show him in the low 30. As the heat on NK and Syria goes up, voters are beginning to realize how he screwed the country.

          • 788eddie says:

            And how’s Trump working out for you, (mis)Informed?

            So far, a big bag of nothing!

            Lowest voter approval of any president in recent history.

            Still a minority president.


            Trump! Leader of the Losers!

          • InformedVoter says:

            President Trump is working out just fine. How has HilLIARy’s loss worked out for you?
            President Trump has delivered more of his campaign promises in under 100 days than obozo did after both his illegal elections but the FAKE MSM just ignores the truth and you low information lefties just keep following like sheep.

            The approval ratings for obozo and President Trump are manipulated and FAKE. When you factor out the FAKE MSM bias they use to produce the ratings, obozo is and has been in the low 30s, just below GW. Meanwhile, President Trump is riding in the high 50s and fast approaching 60!

            President Trump won 31 states to HilLIARy’s 19; he won 3100 counties to HilLIARy’s 54, the red/blue map of the US shows President Trump with a significant advantage to HilLIARy. Nope, not a minority president at all.
            He received a MANDATE from the voters.

            Now that President Trump has just about washed away all of obozo’s legacy, you look more and more like losers.

          • 788eddie says:

            So far, our minority president has produced a big bag of nothing!

            He can’t even tell which way our navy is heading! What a moron!

            So sad. So sad.

          • dpaano says:

            What most of these Russian-paid trolls don’t realize is that when President Obama and his family went on vacation, he paid for ALL of his own expenses. The only thing that taxpayers paid for was the use of Air Force One and the security guards, both of which are required for a president. Additionally, he paid for ALL meals in the White House, including formal dinners with heads of state.

        • InformedVoter says:

          You are spot on with your assessment of this situation. These low information lefties just don’t seem to believe that HilLIARy was so far ahead in the polls that she would win in a landslide.
          Just goes to show how low information they truly are.
          Keep up the good posts.

          • kep says:

            Welcome. We need more people like us on here. I just pop in periodically to see just how crazy these people are. Reality , truth, and honor seem to be alien concepts to liberal commies.

          • InformedVoter says:

            You got them pegged correct. There is an old proverb that says “if you wish to upset a conservative, tell them a lie. If you wish to upset a liberal, tell them the truth”. As the line goes “they can’t handle the truth”.
            We’ve got them on the run!

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Yeah…you morons sure do need more fanatics. After all, you can’t earn a living in a real job. So you troll your way through your welfare checks.

          • kep says:

            Unlike you, who has fabricate your life to feel important, I have worked most of my life. I don’t have to make stuff up to be impressive. Again, SEEK PROFESIONAL HELP.

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            Hillary won the popular vote in November by more than 2.6 million votes. Come up with the proof or stop posting your BS.

            Hillary was far ahead in the popular vote and Trump like you HATES that. The ONLY way your cheater boy EVER wins anything is to CHEAT. Anyone can pay off Electoral College electors.

            Keep up your BS. We just toss you and it onto the landfill with the rest of the Trump Bms.

          • InformedVoter says:

            Poor penis envy Elle: You are still pissed because you believed the FAKE MSM polls that showed that HilLIARy was ahead in the race. I kept telling you fools that the true polls showed that President Trump was ahead.
            Even Michael Moore tried to warn you low information sheep that the polls were made up. But no, you just wouldn’t listen did you?
            And yet another really stupid comment from you “Anyone can pay off Electoral College electors.” Do you even know how EC electors are bound to vote for the person their state designates?
            Guess another one of your fake 30 career jobs must not have taught you anything.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Prove it or stop posting jerkoff. In just 3 months, Trump has already been golfing more than his 3 predecessers did in their entire 8 years. And Keppie the Big Mouth paid for it.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Not as much as you are paying for Melania’s son Barron’s limo to drive him from the golden Penthouse in Trump Tower. Tell us. When did the Obama family EVER live in a penthouse as ostentacious as Trump’s?

      When the Obama family ever own a former Marjorie Merriweather Post mansion called Mar-a-Lago, SHE NOT TRUMP sold to the government to use as a Florida Whitehouse?

      You already pay for Trump to use Mar-a-Lago, from which he profits $200,000 a pop as a resort. When he is there, YOU pay for the cost of his “meetings.” Oooooh look folks!!! Someone just caught Itsy in a BIG LIE!

    • Independent1 says:

      Do you realize there lowlife, that George W. Busch spent 7 more million dollars just flying back and forth 78 times from D.C. to his Texas Ranch that all the monies the Obama family spent on vacation in the 8 years they spent in the White House?

      And it wasn’t even that Georgie Boy spent 7 million more just in those flights, it’s the fact that in essence, he was on vacation for over 800 days while in office – which is almost 1/3 of the time he spent in the presidency. Georgie was spending most of his time at his Texas Ranch, cutting brush, hunting, playing golf and doing everything but working like he was getting paid to do!!!

      And Laura Bush and the two Bush girls, spent more money on their 3 trips (by themselves) to Africa supposedly to promote their HIV initiative than all the money Michele Obama spent actually doing something beneficial for her traveling like working to improve the lives of millions of America’s young people.

      You are such an absolute LOWLIFE BIGOT that it’s astounding!!!!

    • Independent1 says:

      Do you realize that just in Air Force One costs, that Trump is costing us taxpayers over 1/4 million dollars just in his round trip costs to fly to Florida every weekend. And that’s based on the projected $50,000/hour of flying time that it cost back in Bush 2’s time.

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