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Thursday, October 20, 2016

By Fiona Ortiz

CHICAGO (Reuters) – Police with dogs and helicopters are searching woods and swampy areas north of Chicago for three armed suspects after a police officer was shot dead on Tuesday in the suburb of Fox Lake, a local law enforcement official said.

Lake County sheriff’s office Sergeant Christopher Covelli told Reuters the officer had died after being shot, but declined to identify him.

Covelli said area residents should remain inside and report suspicious activity.

“We have three offenders at large” who are believed to be armed, he told reporters at a news briefing.

The shooting occurred earlier Tuesday morning when the officer told his police department that he was pursuing three suspects on foot. When back-up officers arrived, they found him shot and injured, Covelli said. He later died.

Trains were stopped, roads were blocked and schools were on lock-down during the widespread manhunt that encompassed in a heavily wooded area about 40 miles north of Chicago, near the Wisconsin border, media reports said.

McHenry and Lake County Sheriff’s offices, as well as federal authorities, were involved in the search.

(Additional reporting by Suzannah Gonzales; Editing by Susan Heavey)

File photo: Chicago PD (Arvell Dorsey Jr. via Flickr)

  • RED

    Hmm, maybe the cop shot himself?? That seems to happen to handcuffed people in the back of police cars a pretty good bit.

  • Dominick Vila

    When are we going to wake up and demand gun control reform designed to reduce the incidence of gun violence in the USA? The excuses being put forth to protect the interests of the NRA ignore the fact that there are loopholes or flaws in the current gun control laws that allow criminals and the mentally ill to have easy access to lethal weapons. Yes, gun don’t kill, people do, but they sure are a nice tool for those determined to commit a crime to do so.

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      It is against the Law to Murder People. How come the law doesn’t work? So, what law(s) would you like to make?

      • Dominick Vila

        Laws alone will not stop murder, but if changes to current gun control laws, designed to make it as difficult as possible for people with a criminal record and the mentally ill, can reduce the incidence of violence by just 10%, those changes are worth implementing.
        Ultimately our government, religious leaders, and parents, have to teach our young that lives do matter, and that the way to solve problems or a dispute is by talking to each other, or by letting our judicial system work.
        Another area that needs to be addressed is how to deal with the mentally ill to ensure they get the help they need, and don’t become a danger to society.

        • 2ThinkN_Do2

          First you need to figure how you are going to subject people to a test to determine mental illness, and exactly who is the judge of what is mental illness? When and how often are you going to subject every living person to these tests? Who’s going to pay fi them? 2nd, firearm control laws do not stop the criminal and ill from carrying out their desires. 3rd, none of these murders has anything to do with the NRA.

          • Dominick Vila

            Determining who is afflicted by mental illness is not going to be easy, but throwing our arms up and doing nothing is worse than trying. We will the cooperation of psychiatrists, teachers, employers, parents, pharmacists, and just about everybody to deal with this problem.
            Yes, criminals can find the weapons they need to carry out crimes, but making it as easy as possible for them to do so is not an option.
            The NRA is partly responsible for what is going on because of their involvement in opposing comprehensive gun control laws, and their use of scare tactics and hyperbole, such as claims of total disarmament.
            We need cool heads, bipartisanship, and social cooperation to deal with this problem. I readily admit that legislation will not prevent crimes, but if tougher gun control laws can reduce the incidence of crime in the USA even by a small percentage, it is worth doing. What is unacceptable is doing nothing. What is your solution to this problem?

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            If you read FBI stats, you will see that crime has been dropping in the USA for a long time (a few blips here and there) but mostly going down steadily for a long time. Yet during this time, we’ve gone from very few open carry and conceal carry states, to all of them allowing conceal carry. There are more people carrying concealed, there are more guns, yet the stats for crime are going down. Where is it the easiest possible method to get firearms? We have the Brady background checks in place, they just don’t work like they expected them to, because the law enforcement and justice departments are not communicating the necessary information on individuals to bar then from the right to purchase. The NRA is not responsible for any of what is going on; they are anti-murder, support gun safety and responsibility. People are not out killing people because firearms are legal, they’re doing it because we have major social and economic issues in this country that are not being addressed.

          • Dominick Vila

            Social and economic inequality are, indeed, contributing factor to the culture of violence we live in. So are criminal behavior, and inadequate care for the mentally ill.
            The problems with the ready availability or easy access to guns is that they can, and are, used as a tool to carry out the desires of those consumed by hatred, frustration, and fear.
            Obviously, they could react to their emotions or wishes by attacking someone with a knife or a 2×4, but the extent of their violence would not be as extreme as it is when someone starts shooting innocent people, or people doing their jobs. We can run away from a person wielding a knife or a baseball bat, it is not easy to run away from someone holding and firing a gun.

          • DEFENDER88

            I saw a large and thorough Harvard Law study that showed where the availability of guns did not affect the murder rate of a country.

            They looked at countries that had no guns and guns were introduced. And countries that had guns and they were removed.

            In most all cases the murder “rate” did not change. What “was significant” was the “level of violence” or violent behavior of the society that was the driving factor. exa in some African cultures where guns were removed they just used macheties. But the level of killing did not change. Their conclusions – The more determining factor is the Level of Violence of a society, not what weapons were available.

            Also with suicides, people will find a way guns or no.

            Seems to me this is what we are facing here in the US now.

            We have always had a lot of guns in the US but the level of violence seems to ratcheting up for several reasons – mental health system breakdown, the drug gang problems in the “hood”, etc.

          • Dominick Vila

            I agree with much of what you said, but I think that when it comes to drugs, the problem goes beyond gangs. The real problem is the demand for illegal drugs, drug dependence, and the fact that criminals worldwide know how to take advantage of human weaknesses, such as those that result in drug dependence to overcome fear, uncertainties, feeling of inadequacy, justifications to avoid admitting the consequences of the choices we make, etc. The traffickers, and gangs, that profit from the sale of illicit drugs are the result of the demand for those drugs, not the reason for the problem. Having said that, I do agree that most of those gangs are extremely violent and cruel.

          • Karen Bille-Golden

            In response to what you guys are saying, our leadership fails at the top. When we have politicians fanning the flames of paranoia, whose only concerns are being elected, who care more about their individual power and prosperity, and with little effort being made toward examining these issues and putting forth solutions what are our chances of making change? The only change being made is at the cash register.

          • DEFENDER88


            Virtually everything they do is geared toward how to enrich themselves.

            That has also evolved at an increasing rate in the last several years.

            We need Washington, Jefferson, Madison etc back to show these people how the f*ck they are supposed to act.

            Benedict Arnold gave up more for this country(look it up) than these people now in office. He “turned coat” because after having giving up everything he had and being shot in battle he was screwed by the “politicians”.

            Seems we need some new rules on who these people now can work for once they leave office. That is the prize they are all geared for – a lucrative job with a military contractor after office so they can still have an influence and make their millions.

          • DEFENDER88

            Also on a fundamental driving force level the drug gangs are a result of an also failed US drug and other social policies.

            If I was Pres, I could fix this by signing one piece of paper – ie make all of it legal except the psychotropics that drive people to kill.

            Tax it. Empty the jails. Balance the budget. Treat drugs much the same as alcohol.

            Then we are still left with the underlying problem of poverty in the “hood” and how those people are now going to make a living.

            My idea there – require all kids in the “hood” to attend/learn “code” school – ie learn how to write computer code – that is where the future good jobs are.

            Yeah I know its more complex than that but just some basic ideas to start with.

            But better chance of that with better results then trying to ban guns etc.

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            The drug issue is a huge problem not only here, but throughout the world; in addition it is not just “illegal drugs” but over the counter, prescription and those we consider socially acceptable. One of the two which is making a march back into acceptability and in the eyes of many, less destructive than the currently legal one consumed by many.

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            Is it a mental health system breakdown, or a misunderstanding of what constitutes a mental health issue? Quite possibly it is knowing or how to know if a person is truly suffering from a mental health issue and our willingness to accept the reality of it. That seems to be the case with many of those who have committed massacres; refusal to accept that they truly need help. But there is much more to the equation than meets the eye and much that is nearly (if not totally) impossible to verify as underlying causes.

          • DEFENDER88

            I would handle it in a Democtatic/Republic way. Much the same way the Health Insurance Issue was studied. ie Obamacare as they say.

            This is a national problem that is affecting everyone and all parts of the country.

            I would establish a bi-partisan commission or panel or whatever you want to call it but a group of professionals in the field of mental health, and all the other affected or concerned parties that could have input into the problems and issues. Including Mental Health pros, patient advocate groups, Law Enforcement, Insurance, FBI, NRA, Anti-Gun people, School Reps, Drug Co’s and pharmacies, et al.
            It would be a “bear” to organize it into a logical matrix of some type but could be done.

            Charge them with identifying what the problems are and making recommendations as to how to best mitigate them, the cost and how to pay for it, etc. on a national level.

          • DEFENDER88

            I have been saying psyco drugs are a big part of the problem for a while now. Check out this short video.

          • hicusdicus

            You are conversing with a person that has absolutely no common sense He has a view point of life similar to what a nine year old girl would think. Just high minded baby talk.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Fox LAKE, near the Chain O’ Lakes, they might be long gone on a boat out of the area and then by vehicle into northern Wisconsin, Michigan, Minnesota or even Canada by now.

  • Karen Bille-Golden

    The solution to gun violence will be neither fewer guns or better background checks. We need to examine our society’s fascination with the violence presented to us on a daily basis via news and entertainment, coupled with our lack of respect for, and fear of one another to get to the root of this in my opinion. It seems that the morality, civility needed to exist together is becoming a thing of the past. We’ve always had guns in our history but not to the degree we see them employed today as the be all and end all for all our problems.

    • hicusdicus

      There is a whole lot more people packed into a smaller area. We don’t have gun problem we have a people problem and it is going to get worse.

  • 1standlastword

    Nobody sane would argue that when police use their guns to murder and intimidate civilians that the police have too many guns and WE SHOULD MAKE IT HARDER FOR GOOD COPS TO USE GUNS


    They sensibly and rationally examine the cop behind the gun and label him as the problem: Why doesn’t this approach to reason apply to civilian guns?

    I’ll tell you why…It’s because guns are politicized as a partisan issue and for as long as that is the case NOTHING will every be done about the real cause of gun violence:

    POVERTY being core problem

    Ask yourself…why doesn’t this American “gun problem” afflict the rich and famous in their communities?

    Poor, unemployed, drug addicted, mentally ill, criminally, frustrated angry people know that the fastest most efficient way to solve a problem with another person is to use a gun…

    But we fail miserably at defeating poverty and we blame guns because the solution to poverty requires a fair distribution of resources: The massive greed of our political institution pushes against that so it becomes more attractive to make GUNS a partisan issue!

    I’m afraid that which tendencies like this the human race doesn’t have much time left…guns or no guns!

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      Is poverty truly the core, or just one of many causes? How about lack of self respect and respect for others? How about lack of respect for the law or believing you are the law that should be? Many of those involved in gangs and the massacres are people that seem to be from broken homes, or families that are not in touch with each other, even though they may have it all. Adam Lanza didn’t live a life of poverty. James Holmes didn’t grow up in poverty. Poverty may very well contribute to people going into illegal dealings to earn a living, but gee, is there any corruption in the LEO community, political area, corporate USA executive levels? Who’s buying all this cocaine, heroine etc . . . it’s not just poor people. We have many many issues, that run from the poorest to the wealthiest and there are connections amongst many of them. We keep looking at the Implement used to avoid facing reality.

      • 1standlastword

        Thanks for your reply. Poverty is very much the most salient cause of gun violence in America. Your mentioning Lanza and Holmes do not suffice for a counter argument not even close: those cases are profoundly anomalous!
        Our loser, greedy, cowardly elected officials will leverage any argument they can to avoid making any substantive changes in tax and monetary policies that might make life worth living for the most vulnerable in America so they use constituency fear of tools like guns to pound us to death with a fallacious argument to divide us and get elected: and the progressive liberal media more than willing go along for its benefit

        If you take a most literal interpretation of the anti-gunner position it goes like this: Let’s restrict the rights of poor and working class people to acquire guns for sport, hunting and self protection because after all they can’t be responsible with them. Then EVERY SINGLE event that they BLAST OUT over the networks depicts how some crazed-mental case “criminal” shot up a multi-plex, school, church or what have you.

        There are tax policies and monetary policies that could alleviate poverty: A living wage, paid sick days, paid family medical leave and tax subsidies for parent with children who need childcare. Eliminating the tax on worker salary and adjusting corporate tax to support the social safety net would alleviate poverty. Legalize pot and treat it like alcohol. Stop criminalizing kids and do a better job engaging them in after school programs: what ever happened to the PAL league organized sports that added a friendly dimension to the relationship between law enforcement and minority males??

        If you want to hold up Adam Lanza and James Holmes as evidence for gun violence in affluent communities then let’s get our greedy, out of touch, lazy, loser elected officials to pass laws that inject affluence into poor minority communities! That and the common sense solutions I mentioned above would bring the level of gun violence in poor communities down to the levels we have in affluent communities.

        Then we will see that we don’t have too many guns when people have pride in their community because they have a sense of freedom and personal value.

        Rich communities have pride, freedom and a sense of personal value and that is why they are afflicted with gun violence

        • 2ThinkN_Do2

          Poverty is not the cause, poverty is a state/condition of living.