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		<title>By: wayneonly</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-voters-want-republicans-to-move-on-from-health-care-fight/#comment-30406</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dtgraham, I know you are right about the money having influence on the voters. Yes, Scott Walker&#039;s victory and the California cigarette tax vote are great examples of what money can do to change the outcome of elections, but it is also a great example of how devastating it can be for the majority of the voters and highlights  the real problem of what is wrong with the nation&#039;s system (both economically and integritally) . And we (the voter) do have the POWER to change the system. But it is up to people like you and me and other forward thinking voters to get the word out to those who know that there is a problem, but just don&#039;t know how  to solve it. There is no &quot;fast fix&quot; but there is hope in educating the voters.

Most Americans agree that money has too much influence on the outcome of elections. They fail to see THEIR role in how it influences the outcome of the election. That is where education comes in. Voters need to realize IF they don&#039;t agree with what is going on in their government, THEY are the only ones who can change it. They need ti become better educated about what THEIR Congressperson is REALLY doing while in office. They need to follow their voting records and most importantly &quot;follow the money&quot; to see who is really influencing their Congressperson. And they need to keep an eye on their Congresspersons personal financial dealings.

But the main thing about voting EVERY incumbent out of office is to get the attention of the Congress as a whole. Since they have decided that the voter is only important when they need their vote, we have to show them that WE are important when WE need their vote.  Like the mule that you need to hit in the head with a club to get their attention, Congress needs to have the threat of  &quot;the club&quot; to get their attention. Our VOTE is the only &quot;club&quot; that we have.

Another factor in voting every incumbent out of office is that it serves notice to &quot;big money&quot; that they cannot buy our vote. It lets them know that we have a purpose in mind and that is to GET BIG MONEY OUT OF ELECTIONS. Since it costs big money interests more money to get a new candidate elected than an incumbent, it becomes less &quot;cost effective&quot; to buy influence in Congress. Also, the longer a Congressperson is in office, the more contacts he/she develops with lobbyists and big money influence. Once again it becomes less cost effective for big money to buy Congresspeople. It may be a slow process, but it is a process that  voters must be willing to take if they ever want to regain any representation in OUR government.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dtgraham, I know you are right about the money having influence on the voters. Yes, Scott Walker&#8217;s victory and the California cigarette tax vote are great examples of what money can do to change the outcome of elections, but it is also a great example of how devastating it can be for the majority of the voters and highlights  the real problem of what is wrong with the nation&#8217;s system (both economically and integritally) . And we (the voter) do have the POWER to change the system. But it is up to people like you and me and other forward thinking voters to get the word out to those who know that there is a problem, but just don&#8217;t know how  to solve it. There is no &#8220;fast fix&#8221; but there is hope in educating the voters.</p>
<p>Most Americans agree that money has too much influence on the outcome of elections. They fail to see THEIR role in how it influences the outcome of the election. That is where education comes in. Voters need to realize IF they don&#8217;t agree with what is going on in their government, THEY are the only ones who can change it. They need ti become better educated about what THEIR Congressperson is REALLY doing while in office. They need to follow their voting records and most importantly &#8220;follow the money&#8221; to see who is really influencing their Congressperson. And they need to keep an eye on their Congresspersons personal financial dealings.</p>
<p>But the main thing about voting EVERY incumbent out of office is to get the attention of the Congress as a whole. Since they have decided that the voter is only important when they need their vote, we have to show them that WE are important when WE need their vote.  Like the mule that you need to hit in the head with a club to get their attention, Congress needs to have the threat of  &#8220;the club&#8221; to get their attention. Our VOTE is the only &#8220;club&#8221; that we have.</p>
<p>Another factor in voting every incumbent out of office is that it serves notice to &#8220;big money&#8221; that they cannot buy our vote. It lets them know that we have a purpose in mind and that is to GET BIG MONEY OUT OF ELECTIONS. Since it costs big money interests more money to get a new candidate elected than an incumbent, it becomes less &#8220;cost effective&#8221; to buy influence in Congress. Also, the longer a Congressperson is in office, the more contacts he/she develops with lobbyists and big money influence. Once again it becomes less cost effective for big money to buy Congresspeople. It may be a slow process, but it is a process that  voters must be willing to take if they ever want to regain any representation in OUR government.</p>
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		<title>By: dtgraham</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-voters-want-republicans-to-move-on-from-health-care-fight/#comment-30353</link>
		<dc:creator>dtgraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 11:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The elephant in the room though is money.  People may resolve to vote every incumbent congressperson out of office, as you say, but unlimited election ads, run on a continual loop, will change too many of their minds on election day.  Non stop ads that end with, &#039;tell that crook so-and-so to stop kicking puppies&#039; do work.  

Recently, polls showed that Californians were overwhelmingly in favour of adding a new cigarette tax and using the money to fund cancer research.  The tobacco lobby kicked in and spent the gross national product of a third world nation on anti-tax ads.  Eventually, the measure was narrowly defeated by those same voters.

Virtually unlimited campaign money, concentrated all one way, is always a killer.  President Obama recently told a group of supporters that &quot;we can win if we&#039;re outspent but we can&#039;t win if we&#039;re outspent seven to one&quot;.  He was referencing Scott Walker&#039;s win in Wisconsin, who did exactly that.

We&#039;ll see how much team Romney will outspend the Obama campaign, because they will outspend them.  Furthermore, the ads will be full of lies and distortions (that&#039;s Romney) that tend to work when there&#039;s enough of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The elephant in the room though is money.  People may resolve to vote every incumbent congressperson out of office, as you say, but unlimited election ads, run on a continual loop, will change too many of their minds on election day.  Non stop ads that end with, &#8216;tell that crook so-and-so to stop kicking puppies&#8217; do work.  </p>
<p>Recently, polls showed that Californians were overwhelmingly in favour of adding a new cigarette tax and using the money to fund cancer research.  The tobacco lobby kicked in and spent the gross national product of a third world nation on anti-tax ads.  Eventually, the measure was narrowly defeated by those same voters.</p>
<p>Virtually unlimited campaign money, concentrated all one way, is always a killer.  President Obama recently told a group of supporters that &#8220;we can win if we&#8217;re outspent but we can&#8217;t win if we&#8217;re outspent seven to one&#8221;.  He was referencing Scott Walker&#8217;s win in Wisconsin, who did exactly that.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how much team Romney will outspend the Obama campaign, because they will outspend them.  Furthermore, the ads will be full of lies and distortions (that&#8217;s Romney) that tend to work when there&#8217;s enough of them.</p>
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		<title>By: quadbravo80</title>
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		<dc:creator>quadbravo80</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hoes4x...you are so full of crap.   The CBO has already issued reports stating that Obamacare is far more expensive than proposed and there is no way to pay for it.  &quot;Republicans had majorities in both houses and the presidency durning GWB &quot;.  Really?   In 2006 Nancy Pelosi was made majority leader in the House.  

The public does know the following.  That since the Democrats took over the House and Senate and WHouse the spending is at an all time high.  Debt has soared, beyond belief.  Worried about an extra trillion spent over 8 years?  Don&#039;t Obama does that in 1 year....without a war.   Gas prices are at an all time high, over a dollar a gallon more than when GWB was in office.  Regulations are hitting every company and individual.  Tax deductions will die under Obamacare and investment and banking will die.   Unemployment is at record levels over the past 4 years despite Obama redefining what unemployed really is.   Liberal run countries like Greece and Spain are financially dead while idiots like you purport to suggest you know anything about finance.   

Maggy Thatchter said it best,   &quot;The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples&#039; money.&quot;  That is exactly what is happening here.   You want to tax the upper 1 percent to death? Fine.  Watch all their companies die and the unemployment sky rocket.  Fools. 

Repeal is fine for the remaining sane people in the US.  We don&#039;t owe healthcare to foreigners and illegal aliens.  Japan and China send foreigners home. 

The lib-democrat platform of pro-gay, pro-drug, anti-christian, pro-tax lunacy translates to the death of the country.  The dollar has weakened every year Obama has been in office.  And it will continue until it is no longer the international standard.    Thank you Democrats.  Can&#039;t solve the budget questions, that&#039;s easy, just use the only balanced budget every passed....by Republicans under Gingrich.   The stock market soared and you never had it so good. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoes4x&#8230;you are so full of crap.   The CBO has already issued reports stating that Obamacare is far more expensive than proposed and there is no way to pay for it.  &#8220;Republicans had majorities in both houses and the presidency durning GWB &#8220;.  Really?   In 2006 Nancy Pelosi was made majority leader in the House.  </p>
<p>The public does know the following.  That since the Democrats took over the House and Senate and WHouse the spending is at an all time high.  Debt has soared, beyond belief.  Worried about an extra trillion spent over 8 years?  Don&#8217;t Obama does that in 1 year&#8230;.without a war.   Gas prices are at an all time high, over a dollar a gallon more than when GWB was in office.  Regulations are hitting every company and individual.  Tax deductions will die under Obamacare and investment and banking will die.   Unemployment is at record levels over the past 4 years despite Obama redefining what unemployed really is.   Liberal run countries like Greece and Spain are financially dead while idiots like you purport to suggest you know anything about finance.   </p>
<p>Maggy Thatchter said it best,   &#8220;The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples&#8217; money.&#8221;  That is exactly what is happening here.   You want to tax the upper 1 percent to death? Fine.  Watch all their companies die and the unemployment sky rocket.  Fools. </p>
<p>Repeal is fine for the remaining sane people in the US.  We don&#8217;t owe healthcare to foreigners and illegal aliens.  Japan and China send foreigners home. </p>
<p>The lib-democrat platform of pro-gay, pro-drug, anti-christian, pro-tax lunacy translates to the death of the country.  The dollar has weakened every year Obama has been in office.  And it will continue until it is no longer the international standard.    Thank you Democrats.  Can&#8217;t solve the budget questions, that&#8217;s easy, just use the only balanced budget every passed&#8230;.by Republicans under Gingrich.   The stock market soared and you never had it so good. </p>
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		<title>By: wayneonly</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/poll-voters-want-republicans-to-move-on-from-health-care-fight/#comment-30291</link>
		<dc:creator>wayneonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[R, you are right that most Republicans  don&#039;t care what works or doesn&#039;t work. The unfortunate thing is that the same goes for the Democrats. Congress has no concept  of what the middle class or the working poor face in their daily lives. The only difference between a Republican and a Democrat is the constituent they are SUPPOSED  to represent. The Republicans have always represented the wealthy, big banks and big business. The Democrats have typically formerly represented the working class and the &quot;common&quot; American. How the Republicans have managed to fool any working class American voter to vote for their anti-worker policies is beyond me, but they have done it by vilifying unions and the working poor and the elderly and disabled by classing any programs that raise those more unfortunate to a subsistent  standard as welfare whether they have paid into the program or not. The unfortunate thing is that MOST Congresspeople no longer go to Congress to represent ANY constituent other than themselves and their big money campaign contributors. And with the Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court that allowed corporations to funnel unlimited funds into campaigns, Congress has become big business for both Republicans and Democrats. 

There are three good books for EVERY voter to read: Winner Take All Politics: How Washington Made The Rich Richer and Turned It&#039;s Back On The Middle Class by Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson, Throw The All Out by Peter Schweizer, and Greedy Bastards by Dylan Ratigan. They will open your eyes to the REAL corruption in Congress and the role that &quot;Too Big To Fail&quot; banks and large multinational corporations have had in corrupting Congress to the extent that &quot;we the people&quot; have little or no representation in Congress any more.

But we (the voter) have some blame in this situation also. We have allowed ourselves to be influenced by &quot;slick&quot; ads paid for by big money interests and have fallen for the &quot;party line&quot; of  whichever party we favor. We have elected the same Congresspeople term after term without checking either their voting records or their financial dealings while they &quot;serve&quot; in Congress. We have allowed them to vote themselves special privileges and to place themselves &quot;above the laws&quot; that govern the rest of us. We have allowed them to make themselves the PERMANENT POLITICAL PARTY and to believe they are the &quot;elite class&quot;. And they no longer believe that they serve &quot;at our pleasure&quot; so they hold the average voter in contempt, only recognizing us as a &quot;block of voters&quot;. We (the voter) have to change this attitude if we ever expect to regain ANY representation in Congress.

How do we change the perception of Congress? We must RESOLVE that we will vote EVERY incumbent Congressperson out of office until they realize that they serve &quot;AT OUR PLEASURE&quot;.  Any halfway intelligent honest candidate would be preferable to the people who have served in the past few terms of Congress and especially the past Congress that has become a &quot;do nothing&quot; Congress for political gain of their respective parties. And make no mistake about it, both parties have played &quot;party politics&quot; at the expense of the good of the nation and the economy. They have let the American people down and DO NOT DESERVE their office. We (the voter) need to become &quot;free thinkers&quot; and declare this to be our YEAR OF INDEPENDENCE. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R, you are right that most Republicans  don&#8217;t care what works or doesn&#8217;t work. The unfortunate thing is that the same goes for the Democrats. Congress has no concept  of what the middle class or the working poor face in their daily lives. The only difference between a Republican and a Democrat is the constituent they are SUPPOSED  to represent. The Republicans have always represented the wealthy, big banks and big business. The Democrats have typically formerly represented the working class and the &#8220;common&#8221; American. How the Republicans have managed to fool any working class American voter to vote for their anti-worker policies is beyond me, but they have done it by vilifying unions and the working poor and the elderly and disabled by classing any programs that raise those more unfortunate to a subsistent  standard as welfare whether they have paid into the program or not. The unfortunate thing is that MOST Congresspeople no longer go to Congress to represent ANY constituent other than themselves and their big money campaign contributors. And with the Citizens United ruling by the Supreme Court that allowed corporations to funnel unlimited funds into campaigns, Congress has become big business for both Republicans and Democrats. </p>
<p>There are three good books for EVERY voter to read: Winner Take All Politics: How Washington Made The Rich Richer and Turned It&#8217;s Back On The Middle Class by Jacob Hacker and Paul Pierson, Throw The All Out by Peter Schweizer, and Greedy Bastards by Dylan Ratigan. They will open your eyes to the REAL corruption in Congress and the role that &#8220;Too Big To Fail&#8221; banks and large multinational corporations have had in corrupting Congress to the extent that &#8220;we the people&#8221; have little or no representation in Congress any more.</p>
<p>But we (the voter) have some blame in this situation also. We have allowed ourselves to be influenced by &#8220;slick&#8221; ads paid for by big money interests and have fallen for the &#8220;party line&#8221; of  whichever party we favor. We have elected the same Congresspeople term after term without checking either their voting records or their financial dealings while they &#8220;serve&#8221; in Congress. We have allowed them to vote themselves special privileges and to place themselves &#8220;above the laws&#8221; that govern the rest of us. We have allowed them to make themselves the PERMANENT POLITICAL PARTY and to believe they are the &#8220;elite class&#8221;. And they no longer believe that they serve &#8220;at our pleasure&#8221; so they hold the average voter in contempt, only recognizing us as a &#8220;block of voters&#8221;. We (the voter) have to change this attitude if we ever expect to regain ANY representation in Congress.</p>
<p>How do we change the perception of Congress? We must RESOLVE that we will vote EVERY incumbent Congressperson out of office until they realize that they serve &#8220;AT OUR PLEASURE&#8221;.  Any halfway intelligent honest candidate would be preferable to the people who have served in the past few terms of Congress and especially the past Congress that has become a &#8220;do nothing&#8221; Congress for political gain of their respective parties. And make no mistake about it, both parties have played &#8220;party politics&#8221; at the expense of the good of the nation and the economy. They have let the American people down and DO NOT DESERVE their office. We (the voter) need to become &#8220;free thinkers&#8221; and declare this to be our YEAR OF INDEPENDENCE. </p>
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		<title>By: Melvin Chatman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melvin Chatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 01:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You must be &quot;Smarter Than A First Grader&quot; to move on to a more intelligent subject - this was way too easy to comment about!
NEXT!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must be &#8220;Smarter Than A First Grader&#8221; to move on to a more intelligent subject &#8211; this was way too easy to comment about!<br />
NEXT!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: bigspender7</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigspender7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its a date.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a date.</p>
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		<title>By: rustacus21</title>
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		<dc:creator>rustacus21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2012 00:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[... but they can&#039;t hear &quot;those&quot; voices of reason &amp; command. After all, aren&#039;t WE, the PEOPLE their bosses? As representatives, are they NOT duty bound to obey the will of the citizenry? Well, they&#039;re conservatives. So what do U think? A 1 track mind can only track in 1 direction... off a cliff preferably... but ONLY conservatives this time!!! The nation has suffered enuff &quot;crashes&quot; over 2001-2009 &amp; since we&#039;re back on the road &amp; heading in an &quot;affirmative&quot; direction, there&#039;s no need changing course til we reach a distination w/THIS administration. We gave the last administration 8 yrs &amp; came up broke. Lets give another 4 years here &amp; see that we have in fact done BETTER!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but they can&#8217;t hear &#8220;those&#8221; voices of reason &amp; command. After all, aren&#8217;t WE, the PEOPLE their bosses? As representatives, are they NOT duty bound to obey the will of the citizenry? Well, they&#8217;re conservatives. So what do U think? A 1 track mind can only track in 1 direction&#8230; off a cliff preferably&#8230; but ONLY conservatives this time!!! The nation has suffered enuff &#8220;crashes&#8221; over 2001-2009 &amp; since we&#8217;re back on the road &amp; heading in an &#8220;affirmative&#8221; direction, there&#8217;s no need changing course til we reach a distination w/THIS administration. We gave the last administration 8 yrs &amp; came up broke. Lets give another 4 years here &amp; see that we have in fact done BETTER!!!</p>
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		<title>By: middleclasstaxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>middleclasstaxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 22:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, one of us is, that&#039;s for sure!  Let&#039;s compare notes in November.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one of us is, that&#8217;s for sure!  Let&#8217;s compare notes in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This country needs to get back on track. Back to communication for results. These people are working for us and not for their party. Somewhere alone the way this has been lost ! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This country needs to get back on track. Back to communication for results. These people are working for us and not for their party. Somewhere alone the way this has been lost ! </p>
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		<title>By: Bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2012 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would think that the 1% would have insurance, just very good insurance !  Top everything. That could be why healthcare for others doesn&#039;t matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think that the 1% would have insurance, just very good insurance !  Top everything. That could be why healthcare for others doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
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