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Saturday, October 1, 2016

Appearing on NBC’s Meet the Press, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow took advantage of former senator Jim DeMint’s willingness to repeat the debunked claim that the marriage equality debate ignores the well-being of children.

“As you just said, you’ve got 37 states where the people have decided that they want to protect that marriage is between a man and a woman because they know that that’s the environment where children can thrive and succeed,” DeMint said.

“I mean, that’s been proven,” he added. “So it’s not about the desires of adults, it’s really about the best environment for children. We’re talking all about politics. But the reason that governments at the state level and the federal level have recognized marriage between a man and a woman is because it’s better for our country and better for children.”

Maddow — like Justice Anthony Kennedy — used children to make the argument for marriage equality:

Justice Kennedy addressed that issue specifically in his ruling. He says that by denying marriage rights to same-sex couples who have kids, you’re humiliating and demeaning those kids. By denying their families equal protection under the law by the parents who are raising them and who love them and who make their family. So we can put it in the interests of children, but I think that cuts both ways. And the ruling cuts against that argument. I mean, gay people exist. There’s nothing we can do in public policy can do to make more of us exist or less of us exist. And you guys for a generation have argued that public policy ought to demean gay people as a way of expressing disapproval of the fact that we exist. But you don’t make any less of us exist, you are just arguing for more discrimination. And more discrimination doesn’t make straight people’s lives any better.

The world’s largest study of same-sex couples released earlier this month found that their children were thriving and succeeding.

Though Kennedy came out on the right side of the marriage equality question, it’s important to remember that he’s been a key player in the Roberts court’s dismantling of the rights of workers and voters — and electing George W. Bush.

While the DOMA ruling made a huge leap for LGBT rights, the other decisions released by the court this term have made America less free.

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  • 4sanity4all

    Maddow is so smart- I love it when she answers idiots with such factual, logical answers. Would the people against gay couples adopting children rather have these children languish in foster care, with the public supporting them? Would they really relegate these children to an uncertain existence, instead of being adopted by a couple who wants to be their forever family, providing them with secure love?

    • scooch

      I would rather have children in an orphanage than in a home with partners who have an uncommonly high rate of transmittable infectious diseases and whose community involves similarly high rates of molestation and scatophilia. It is clearly child abuse to put a child in this situation.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Playing with your mind again,eh? You’re going to go blind.Then you will be blind as well as stupid.

      • Lovefacts

        Grow-up and stop repeating disproven and hate-filled information. The highest rate of HIV is among heterosexuals in the following three areas: IV drug users, those who frequent prostitutes, and the elderly. The highest rates of molestation, incest, and rape are between heterosexuals and in m/f marriages. As for your term “scatophilia,” while it doesn’t appeal to me, many heterosexuals enjoy it. And just so you know, sodomy also includes oral sex.

        • Lynda Groom

          You are going to confuse them even further by offering facts. Facts are like Kryptonite to these folks.

      • dellmartin

        Either you are trying to funny (epic failure) or you are so completely brainless that it’s frightening. Your statements have zero basis in fact. Get help. Seriously.

      • Sand_Cat

        Yes, we all know you’re a mindless bigot grasping at any straw and lie you can. No need to keep making an even bigger fool of yourself.

      • charleo1

        Have you ever noticed, that when people start commenting on
        subjects they know next to nothing about, they post some of the
        most ignorant assertions, and come to the most asinine conclusions
        you’ve ever heard? Well, I sure have. And yours is exhibit. (A.)
        See, I happen to have two happy, well adjusted, Grandchildren. Being raised, and cared for by my Daughter, and her partner. I have never seen more dedicated parents in my life. And that includes all
        of the heterosexual parents I’ve know over the years. Even the ones that remained monogamous. Which included a little less than half. And managed to have successful marriages. Including my own successful marriage. My Daughter, of which I could not be more proud. Works with drug addicted, low income, or no income,
        Mothers, getting them the treatment they need, so they may become good parents to their children. While protecting, and looking out for the best interests of the children involved. I would remind you, and the other know nothings. And, that’s exactly what you are. The parents, usually include an absent, or in jail. drug addicted Father, and are, by the vast majority, heterosexual. Their children, having been exposed to the drugs injected by the Mother during pregnancy.
        Will often have long term, even life long problems associated with their Mother’s drug abuse. As my Daughter will complete her
        doctorate in psychology this fall, I have no illusions of what kind
        of world you would create for my Grandchildren, you ridiculously
        feign to protect. Fortunately, we will never have to worry about
        your kind. But, I did want to drop you a line. Just so you know,
        we are aware you exist.

        • BDC_57

          thats called being very uneducated

        • BillP

          Great reply, nothing I could say would add to your wonderful comment.

          • charleo1

            Well, I appreciate your kind words. I am sure that for me,
            this issue is much simpler, than for the misinformed
            commenter. As he has never met my Daughter, or had the
            opportunity to experience the peace of mind of a Father,
            that sees in his Daughter’s partner, a love, and devotion
            that in many ways, exceeds his own. And the happiness we
            all hope our children will find. To be in such abundance, in the
            lives they have built for themselves, and my Grand Babies.
            (In vetro fertilization ) For those that were wondering.

  • Michael Kollmorgen

    I wish I could watch her programs. But, since we cut the cost down on cable a lot, we don’t get MSNBC.

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      • docb

        Maddow destroys the ignorance of the little white guys faux christian ;lobby with facts and turns their lies back on them…

        A true joy to behold…A strong educated woman at the table not afraid of the fools who would strip all women and people of their rights out of denial, FEAR and stupidity! Little minds little men for the most part.

        We need more like this! ..but gregory is a bagger panderer.

        • Sand_Cat

          She also does it without ever being rude, and usually without ever directly contradicting them or arguing their “points.”

        • BDC_57

          she get facts before she says anything not like idiot trolls.

    • BillP

      Michael you can watch any MSNBC show the next day on their website msnbc.com. I do it all the time to catch up on her show and others. A nice feature is that you can select what show segments you want to watch.

  • Lynda Groom

    Those two clowns certainly don’t belong on a panel with Rachel Maddow. She is a major leaguer and at best they might be double A. Watching her destroy them was like watching a child pull wings off flies. The fraud from the Christian group is a con-man who stole a great deal of money from Indian tribes, and he claims to be a Christian. Yeah right!

    • scooch

      True, Rachel Maddow is a degenerate and doesn’t belong on TV.

      • pangamut

        Are you married to Lana?

        • neeceoooo

          Maybe scooch is lana

  • scooch

    What exactly is safe about placing little children in homes with people who have inflated rates of communicable diseases like HIV, hepatitis, syphilis, and herpes? Talk about child abuse! It’s not about families, it’s about narcissism.

    • Lynda Groom

      Get some help before you hurt yourself further, or worse somebody else.

      • BDC_57

        it’s probably to late for him

    • Sand_Cat

      They’d be safer anywhere than with a creep like you. We can all tell you really care about women and children.

  • scooch

    while baby sleeps MEN ARE F***ING EACH OTHER IN THE A** and LICKING FECES OUT OF EACH OTHER’S A**HOLES in the other room…..oh it’s so healthy…I can taste the HEP B

    • ococoob

      Show some class, will ya!

    • Jim Myers

      And, you would know this because?

    • latebloomingrandma

      Maybe you should turn off the internet porn.

    • neeceoooo

      You are one disgusting person who should leave this discussion.

      • BDC_57

        and hes is not very bright like other trolls that come in here bet he related to Lana

  • scooch

    So by denying marriage your’e humiliating the kids that you allowed to be adopted by high risk households? What an ass. Stop pretending you care about kids, or about straight women. IF YOU LOVE AND RESPECT WOMEN, you don’t want them to die from infectious diseases spread by a narcissistic bisexual community. But the gay lobby HATES WOMEN AND CHILDREN. It is the most hateful lobby in the world

    • dellmartin

      Scooch, I understand the First Amendment allows even imbeciles like you to speak your mind but go do it quietly in a closet to avoid having the rest of America witness just how ignorant and hateful you are. And stop making up lies. Do you do that yourself or do you get them from fox noise?

    • Sand_Cat

      Speaking of asses…

    • BillP

      So I guess heterosexuals never get any STDs!! You may want to check on who gets gonorrhea and syphliss along other STD’s, it ain’t the gay population. So the gay lobby hates women and children, you do know that there are gay women. You make statements that are not based in any facts.

  • dellmartin

    Rachel Maddow rocks! Smart, outspoken and a wonderful weapon against the ignorance on the far right. You go girl!

    • BDC_57

      you got that right

  • Jim Myers

    The problem with the discrimination against gays is that those who discriminate are oblivious to the fact that gays are no better or worse at raising children than straight couples.

    That is a concept that is just beyond their capacity to understand the complexities of the situation.

    All they see are the “simple” solutions, without any understanding of the unintended consequences.

  • Allan Richardson

    What bothers me — not because it would affect me personally but because it would affect people I know and people I admire such as Rachel Maddow — is the line in which she writes, “There’s nothing we can do in public policy can do to make more of us exist or less of us exist.” As a worst case scenario, if the Christian Taliban takes over and follows the African model, they CAN make fewer gay people exist: by hanging them.

    If not by making gay sex punishable by death, and rigging the Supreme Court to declare such a tragedy constitutional, then by ignoring and refusing to prosecute lynching of gay people at the local and state level. After all, if the police make too many “mistakes” handling so-called “self-defense” shootings, as in the Trayvon Martin case, even a crusading prosecutor may not have enough evidence to convict a shooter who has a story like Zimmerman’s.

    Vigilance is required to keep our freedoms, not only for ourselves but our neighbors too.