Comments on: House Republican Panel: Holder Is In Contempt

By: CAThinker

CAThinker — Mon, 25 Jun 2012 20:58:00 +0000

The irony is that the Tea Baggers, who so oppose the government (except when it comes to “their” social security, “their” medicare, etc.) are the ones that brought this situation to fruition. In trying to “save” money, they are now wasting it… Irony… and if it didn’t cost us all so much – it would be entertainment. Tea Baggers – drink up, you paid for it…

By: onedonewong

onedonewong — Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:09:00 +0000

Sorry davvey you must be watching the State Run Media that doesn’t want to cover the issue.. fast and Furious was Holders and Barak gun walking program it was started in 2009. But as usual you libs don’t want to believe any ill words about your messiah.

The 6000 pages were heavily redacted and don’t answer the context of the subpoena, that’s the problem with barak and holder both think they are above the law and the constitution.
The documents Congress is after go to the heart of the matter about the cover up and lying to congress which is a FELONY, yo know like Jack Abramoff who went to jail for 3 years not because he committed a crime but that he lied to a Democratic congress.The fact that Holder attempted to bribe congress but letting them have the documents in exchange for them dropping their investigation into Fast and Furious should tell you that they are complicit including Obama

Sorry the documents requested aren’t covered under W’s or any one else’s rules. lets remember that Rove who W used the executive power reason for was over turned by the courts and he testified. These documents will be released the only question is whether its before or after the election. 1 thing is for sure if barak is elected Holder will never be AJ again

By: John_Medlin

John_Medlin — Sat, 23 Jun 2012 22:04:00 +0000

When are we going to stop giving guns to undermine other countries and endangering the lives of our citizens. The Bush arm of the GoP started this mess and AG Holder of the DNC ended it.

By: Tare_a_Noch1

Tare_a_Noch1 — Sat, 23 Jun 2012 16:05:00 +0000

Polarization within the national identity is not a healthy goal. When the party line identity drives the conclusion everything is sick. After the French Revolution, with all of its suspicion and hate, no one wanted to be a partisan. Partisanship has a strength and a destructive nature. Presently, conclusions must reach beyond partisanship to be accurate. This must be transcended.

By: gargray

gargray — Sat, 23 Jun 2012 13:12:00 +0000

You tell it like it is, good work.

By: montanabill

montanabill — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:42:00 +0000

Pointing to the program the Bush administration ran shows you know nothing about it except that it was somewhat similar to Fast & Furious. It was a sting operation with the full knowledge and consent of Mexico and ended in 2007.
Fast & Furious was completely different.
See my response to David Allison about why your thoughts that Holder has fully cooperated is bogus. Then read your last two lines.

By: montanabill

montanabill — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:37:00 +0000

1. Holder was asked for 70,000 documents. The documents presented only covered the time of the actual Fast & Furious program, many of the pages duplicates and many so redacted that only the name of the department was visible. The documents still being requested are those that identify who knew what and when and who authorized the program.
2. Holder stonewalled nine times and only offered documents in exchange for the end of the investigation and immunity from anything found. Issa had nothing to do with any interfering with Holder’s attempts at stopping programs that want to make sure that only living, breathing, actual citizens can vote.
3. It was not up to Holder or the ATF to make any decisions for the Congressional committee. You don’t give anyone under investigation the power to decide whether the investigate is important or not.
4. The committee would have no interest in internal deliberative documents UNLESS they show an attempt to mislead or cover-up wrongful actions. Since Holder swore under oath that such material did not exist, he and the President should have had no misgivings about making the documents available. If you will recall, this is the same path that Nixon attempted during Watergate.
5. You can point to anything extraneous that you wish. The fact is that Obama himself previously decried the very actions he has taken. Redacted documents and claiming executive privilege at the last minute is not transparency in any form.

I’d rather start with the leaks from the White House on current national security issues.

By: David L. Allison

David L. Allison — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:06:00 +0000

1. Holder presented over 6000 documents, focusing on those affecting the shooting of the Border Control officer.
2. Holder testified nine times before Issa during Issa’s inquisition. He offered to provide to Issa, without Issa specificly requesting document by document all materials that were not deliberative documents immune from disclosure under FOIA if Issa would stop interfering with the important civil rights and voting rights that Holder is responsible to accomplish before the election.
3. Both Holder and the ATF determined that the initiation of the Republican program was not important with regard to the specific inquiry being conducted by Issa.
4. Ensuring and maintaining the right of the Executive to maintain privacy of internal deliberative documents is deemed important by every President and each President since Nixon has claimed the privilege and, with few exceptions, the opposing political party in Congress has opposed the executive branch exerting the privilege.
5. Not too much twisting to demonstrate that the Administration is, in many ways, more transparent than preceeding administrations. How much do you know about who attended the “energy summit” of Cheney Oil friends in the White House, let alone what they said. Solyndra, Fast and Furious and other issues have been disclosed sufficiently that you could attack them. Compare that to Watergate, the “energy summit”, the lies about “weapons of mass destruction”, the Contras, etc, that were buried by the Republicans.

Finally, lets agree that more and complete, consistent transparency and fewer investigations and punishments of whistle-blowers (i.e. “leakers”) would better serve all of us citizens. Maybe start by releasing and terminating prosecution of all people involved in the WikiLeaks affair.

By: David L. Allison

David L. Allison — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:48:00 +0000

Debbie: there you go again confusing the radical right republicans with facts and logic. Shame on you.

By: David L. Allison

David L. Allison — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:45:00 +0000

Wrong, Wong.

Holder and the Obama administration directed ATF to _shut down_ “Fast and Furious which was initiated by Bush II and the administration has released over 6000 pages of documents that demonstrate the accuracy of that statement. This was testified to by a Bush ATF officer in his presentation to Congress this week.

The documents that the Republicans in Congress are demanding (instead of enacting laws creating jobs and getting Americans back to work) are inter-office and inter-agency deliberation emails and messages which have nothing to do with the death of the Border Patrol agent but are clearly subject to protection under rules established by the DOJ under the Bush II reign.

What you discover when you do thorough research are facts. What you do when you search for conclusions usually support the conclusions you look for. Google is a good tool for initiating real research but is not in itself conclusive of the truth of anything.