By Henry Decker

Republicans Once Again Working To Repeal Obamacare

March 11, 2013 3:57 pm Category: Memo Pad 298 Comments A+ / A-
Republicans Once Again Working To Repeal Obamacare

After President Barack Obama began reaching out directly to his Republican opponents in the wake of their failure to avoid the $85 billion budget sequester, many politicians and pundits speculated that the partisan fighting that has paralyzed Washington may finally be giving way to compromise. But even as congressional Republicans claim that they’re ready to make a deal with the president, they’re simultaneously reviving their favorite partisan play: trying to repeal the Affordable Care Act.

During an appearance on Fox News Sunday, Wisconsin representative and 2012 Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan confirmed that his latest budget — which promises to close the deficit in 10 years — will be built around repealing the health care reform law.

Even as Ryan chastised Obama for failing to “find common ground” with Republicans throughout his presidency, Ryan asserted that Obama’s top legislative victory had to go.

“Yes, our budget does promote repealing Obamacare and replacing it with a better system,” Ryan told host Chris Wallace.

Despite his plan to eliminate the Affordable Care Act, Ryan’s budget includes the law’s $716 billion in Medicare savings. As Sahil Kapur points out at Talking Points Memo, this represents a “720-degree flip” on the cuts, which Ryan initially opposed, then included in his 2011 and 2012 budget blueprints, then opposed again during the 2012 presidential campaign.

That Ryan’s budget relies on President Obama agreeing to scrap his signature achievement as president — or on the equally unrealistic prospect of Republicans winning a veto-proof two-thirds majority in the House and Senate before President Obama leaves the White House in 2017 — makes it a fundamentally unrealistic plan. Even Fox News’ Chris Wallace immediately shot Ryan down, noting “that’s not going to happen.”

Still, the Ryan has plenty of supporters on his side of the aisle. House Republicans have been circulating a letter urging House Speaker John Boehner and and Majority Leader Eric Cantor to “restart efforts to repeal Obamacare in its entirety this year, next year, and until we are successful,” and failing that, to “affirmatively defund the implementation of Obamacare in any relevant appropriations bill brought to the House floor in the 113th Congress.”

The repeal movement also has supporters in the Senate. On Monday morning, Wisconsin senator Ron Johnson backed Ryan up, saying on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, “I think the costs associated with Obamacare are grossly understated,” adding “I think this is going to explode our deficit, it’s going to lead to rationing. It’s going to lead to rationing and a lower quality of care.”

Additionally, a trio of Tea Party-backed senators — Marco Rubio (R-FL), Ted Cruz (R-TX), and Mike Lee (R-UT) — are threatening to shut down the government unless Obamacare is defunded. Rubio told conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt on Thursday:

Senator Cruz from Texas is offering this amendment to defund Obamacare. If that gets onto the bill, in essence, if they get a continuing resolution and we can get a vote on that and pass that onto the bill, I’ll vote for a continuing resolution, even if it’s temporary, because it does something permanent, and that’s defund this health care bill, this Obamacare bill, that is going to be an absolute disaster for the American economy.

Not all Republicans are still deluding themselves over the Affordable Care Act. In recent weeks, conservative Republican governors such as New Jersey’s Chris Christie, Florida’s Rick Scott, and Arizona’s Jan Brewer have all reversed their previous opposition to the law’s Medicaid expansion. But whether congressional Republicans ever drop their quest to take health care coverage away from tens of millions of Americans — against the will of the American people — remains to be seen.

In the meantime, by continuing to fight against a law that has been approved by Congress, the Supreme Court, and the American electorate, Republicans will play out the classic definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

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  • highpckts

    You just can’t trust them!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_EQ5LTH2XTZCVP7G4FGK6Z2YTJE ignore the facts

    There are those who are sick-minded, and then there’s Ryan and his henchmen. All of them can’t stand the idea of Americans getting health care. God forbid. And God forbid we join the ranks of other civilized countries that DO care about their citizens. Won’t find any of that in their minds. Talk about time wasters. Ryan is the worst. Too bad he can’t think, or even try to think of how to work FOR the people and not his buddies.

    • dreamweaver52

      amen, a man after my own heart.

    • sigrid28

      Speaking of “time wasters,” this repetition does run out the clock on a Congress that is rarely in session as it is. In the Republican play book, running out the clock is another way to make the American people suffer and then blame President Obama for their misery. This is how today’s Republicans think to win elections.

      Republicans in Congress belong to the 1% and are themselves insulated from the desperation of worrying about one’s health–or worse yet the health of a loved one. No wonder they are so cavalier about the threat to do away with Obamacare. When they try to pull these pranks, they count on the ignorance of the American public, assuming that the Americans they look down upon are too ignorant to recognize that the Republican party treats them with disdain. I speak here of women, blacks, Latinos, the poor, and the middle class. These self-deluded Republicans prey on the helplessness of a public worn out by joblessness and inequality, counting on these exhausted voters never noticing that they are being constantly lied to by Republicans and manipulated at the ballot box.

      Insulting the voting public and wasting the time of its legislators is unlikely to go unnoticed. We cannot vote out these Republicans in the House soon enough.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

        Unfortunately, thanks to gerrymandering, we cannot vote them out for the next 6 years, unless their ground-down base wises up–and they want to change the rules so we cannot vote them out at ALL.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/7M2DKJ3IACEZW2TKS3DP7F2LHU Lorraine

    Why are these people still being paid a salary, expenses and bennefits? Last year they made 33 attempts to repeal Obamacare and it failed 33 times. New Congress and we are starting all over again. WHERE ARE THE JOBS?????? Let’s start with their jobs…. Ryan doesn’t wants to do away with Obamacare, however he is using the $760 billion cuts in Medicare created by Obamacare in his budget. Well you repeal Obamacare take that $760 billion savings away and therefore away from your budget.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

      Ryan’s budget should start with a paragraph stating that ALL civil servants and elected officials will transfer their pension and healthcare plans to Social Security and MEDICARE, and that they will voluntarily cut their salaries by 25%. If SS and MEDICARE are good enough for most Americans, and if our families can survive on a median income of $50K a year, so can our elected officials.
      If the cost of having two households, one in their home states and one in the DC area, is too expensive, offer them room and board at local military bases. If our troops can sleep in barracks and eat in a mess hall, so can they.

      • http://www.facebook.com/baxter.braum Baxter Braum

        A-MEN!!!

        • RobertCHastings

          I second that!

      • lostintheswamp

        Bravo!

      • angelsinca

        You do understand that all civil servants are not elected. So, what do you do with the 20 million people that are forced to take a pay cut under the Vila plan? They are, after all, part of the 99%.

        • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

          You must be joking, or you cannot do simple arithmetic. I will bet on the latter, because it is funnier. And more likely, considering the constant drone of your posts.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        Especially since most of them haven’t brought their families to Washington and we are paying thier airfare to travel to their homestate and back to DC at least once a week if not more. Also we pay their airfare to go campaign for each other. That is the free stuff we pay for plus the use of a car or car service while in DC. They shouldn’t be able to draw a pension after only 5 years Congress either, we can’t draw pensions until after 20 years or more and our pensions is based on years worked and age if they get a pension that is what theirs should be based and since a year is 365 days and Congress will only be working 119 days this year, they don’t any pension for this year or any other year that they haven’t worked at least 275 days in DC.

        • CPAinNewYork

          Hillbilly is right. Our Congress is populated by a bunch of sleazebags who are failed lawyers. Some years ago, a book titled Parliament of Whores was published. It is a devastating indictment of the ethics of our political leaders.

          I don’t believe that it has had any impact on how our government is conducted. The sleazebags are still in charge and they’re still robbing us blind.

        • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

          Don’t forget the $3,000 a day pay if they are on official business, if all they do is shake hands with a governor or a mayor. That is total B.S. No one is worth $3,000 a day unless it is our devoted military who risk life and limb daily so these POSs can live it up.

      • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

        Fantastic thought. Would like to see how their pay breaks down into the hours they really work into hourly pay. They are not there to serve the people, they are just career politicians who live on the gravy train that we, the people pay for. They would not exist one month is they only had S.S. income and Obamacare. It would be comical to watch, though.

    • RNPRN

      The republican’s couldn’t gut Medicare, so they are threatening to shut down the government. They hate the black president, Harvard graduate that beat them twice. I am a fiscal conservative, but some things especially how our country has been decimated by the republicans, shipping jobs to China and only working for their wealthy donors, needs to be changed. They will try and shut down the government over this. I say go ahead, if they do, they will NEVER win an election again. The American public has spoken, now get over it.

      • RobertCHastings

        Hopefully, Obama has the cajones to do what Clinton did, three times. Just shut ‘er down and throw away the keys. It is exactly what Grover Norquist wants, but he should be careful what he wishes for.

      • CPAinNewYork

        I’m a registered Republican. I elected to register as a Republican because the Republicans were fiscally conservative. That conservatism has changed to extremism, which I abhor. I am increasingly voting Democratic.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baxter.braum Baxter Braum

      Yes, let’s also take away their FREE healthcare plans. If it’s good enough for the 40 million uninsured or under-insured it should be good enough for Congress!!!

      • angelsinca

        The number of uninsured is now between 6-10 million. The forcasted number of uninsured after full phase is 4-6 million.

        • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

          Where do you get these lies. More like 30-45 million depending on where you get the figures. And these are just the ones that are reported from amongst people that work. Likely, millions more that no one has a regular count on. And millions more are on Medicaid and Medicare, that your mob of gangsters would “reform” (code for destroy), if they could get control. Admit it, you are just a hateful, useless, jealous hog of resources paid by all the rest of us. You want to keep an exalted position even if it kills thousands.

          • angelsinca

            Thank you Russel for your inaccurate and erroneous observations. Please direct your hate elsewhere. You now have the flaky ACA that you have demanded. You have succesfully forced people to pay for soemthing they don’t want and cannot afford, while blaming your sinister wishes on those that are trying to repeal the imposing piece of rcrap. I will continue to fight the stinky faulty marxist scheme until I can’t fight anymore, thanks in part to foolhardy heads-in-the-sand such as yourself. Thank you for the motivation.

        • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

          Angel Inc. – I do not care about your screaming and baying at the moon over what I have to say. In my view you have no right to speak the lies that you do and NO right to life at all. Why? I have worked with two, TWO PEOPLE, that had more value than your evil, rotten, useless life, that DIED from nothing more than a lack of medical care. I myself went without medical care for years. I could not feed myself and my family without making that sacrifice. As well, buying private insurance, when your employer will not even make a plan available, is prohibitively expensive. (But they DID have insurance for themselves.) So go below and burn where you belong. As I must reiterate, I have worked with two people that had real value, that are now dead. BUT YET, your useless life goes on . . . .

          • angelsinca

            Sorry to hear about your loss Russell. Alas EVRYONE has lost people they love. To insinuate my life is worthless is nothing more than the cry of a bully. You have no idea.

  • http://twitter.com/mcsp00kie Cathy McManus

    Ryan and the rest of the right wingers are so frickin’ arrogant to say that their plan is better than what the American people want and need. They haven’t accepted the fact that the American people did not vote for him and Mitt becuase they don’t like nor do they want their plans on anything. They have another thing coming if they try to force their agenda, the American people will get riled up enough to riot.

  • doninsd

    Little Paulie is a wonder. He is empty headed, and has no talent whatsoever. His rise to the status of “wonk” is due entirely to just hanging around long enough, and being the only one in the room with a co-major in economics. The only two bills he has sponsored in 14 years are to name a post office, and rescind luxury tax on hunting arrows. Beyond that, any proposal he has put forward was based on someone else’s work. Now he’s stuck with having to repeat his previous positions because nobody has fed him any new ones.

    • empiremed

      God Bless Paul Ryan for trying to balance the budget with no help from democrates

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TT6POTCLZCE74T76WAJIIIUAHU frida

        To hell with balancing the budget instead of balancing lives of people which is healthcare. He will come with bogus numbers which he can not explain or dare to remember.

        • angelsinca

          This plan is costing us middle classers a lot more than promised and we havern’t seen all the increases yet. It may be a good deal for those that never bought health insurance before, but someone has to pay for the ‘free’ stuff-the middle classers. Everyone that’s anyone got a waiver from the healthcare scheme. The quality and availability of healthcare are already suffering from this poorly crafted POS and the costs keep escalating. We can do better.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Every line you have written is either a distortion or an out right lie. We do not know for sure what it will do. What we do know is the evil that we call the wealthy, combining with sociopathic right-wingers are scared to death they may not get to keep all their ill gotten gains and their regal position in running our lives. This has led them to push all the buttons telling the gullible and stupid that their world is ending (Rush, Faux Noise, etc.) No one has been greatly affected yet and no one knows the true cost. BUT we do have reasonable estimates that make the program appear doable. Instead of running around like Chicken Little trying to destroy the beginning of something that will lead to a stronger nation, why don’t you work to make this successful. Or at least shut-up and let good people do what you won’t.

          • lostintheswamp

            i’ve noticed that a lot of right wing posters have ‘angel’ in their online names.

          • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

            When It Should Be Devil Or Demon!! I Just Saying LOL!!!

          • angelsinca

            Russ have to call BS on the lying and distortion accusation. Please ID the lies and distortions. I did not predict the ills of the ACA as it stands exc for what my own doctors have told me and what I have already experienced first hand.

            I have been hurt personally with premium increases, co pay increases, deductible increases, meds increases, lowered lifetime benefits, months long waits for specialists, higher lab costs. This has all changed in the past 3 years. I must be imagining it.

            You step out your cave and the sun is up and all is good. Yet, all you see is Chicken Little.

            YOU DONT KNOW WHAT’S IN THE ACA, so you support it for political reason. Sounds dishonest and lazy.

            You don’t have to walk back the baseless accusations. I don’t care that you go on being wrong. You have said the SAME THING to republicans for so long, you actually think the canned statements apply to every republican you meet on every issue. Enjoy

          • WhutHeSaid

            It has all changed in the last 3 years, eh? That’s rather special given the fact that the PPACA hasn’t even existed for 3 years yet and most of the provisions that have significant impact don’t take effect until 2014.

          • angelsinca

            The ppACA was signed into law Mar 23, 2010. Insurance rates went up in anticipation. Of the 20 enactment milestones through Jan 1, 2020, eleven take place before 2014.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You and I both know that the major components of the PPACA don’t go into effect until 2014 or later. With the exchanges yet to become operational and the individual mandate not in force, you can’t really expect to see the effects of increased coverage. You haven’t provided any proof to support the claim that the healthcare sky is falling because of the PPACA — just a general and unsubstantiated gripe.

          • angelsinca

            You did not define ‘major’component. While you were pontificating, the exchanges were closed awhile ago, at least in my area. I never claimed the ‘sky was falling’. I just don’t like the negative EFFECTS I have realized as CAUSED by the plan to my checkbook. Just like I don’t like you redfining the paramters of the argument after the Q was asked and answered. You are Piers Morgan, right?

          • WhutHeSaid

            I don’t think that even Piers Morgan would get a straight answer out of you, but at least he would understand the widely accepted definition of the term ‘major’.

            Just as a courtesy I’d like to point out that capitalizing ’cause’ and ‘effect’ is not the same thing as demonstrating your claimed effects of PPACA. You’ve offered absolutely no proof to back up your claims of gloom and doom. The exchanges (read: major components of PPACA) are not yet operational, and the individual mandate isn’t yet in effect. Piers might point out to you that both of these are designed to have a very significant (a ‘major’ alternative, just for you) impact on the health insurance market.

            So what you are really doing is prematurely griping about a hypothetical effect. Perhaps you were too busy chasing buttons down the hallway to notice that you’ve been called on your unsubstantiated claims.

          • angelsinca

            Wrong again. I am griping about the direct negative effect. There is a distinct shared lack of communication here. I will acknowledge my culpability and bow out. Thanks for the considerable attention. Have a nice journey in whatever you do. As soon you remove your nose out of my ass, I expect to do the same. cheers.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You griped about a ‘direct negative effect’, yes — but you never did provide any evidence to support your vague claims. Accepting culpability for a ‘lack of communication’ is a nifty way of avoiding the challenge to back up your statements. I can see why it would antagonize you, and I assure you the pleasure is all mine.

            In the future please try to post claims that you can back up with at least minimal evidence, and you may find people less likely to challenge you (aka ‘nose up your ass’).

          • angelsinca

            OK here is the long awaited PROOF that you demand, Sheriff. oh wait…I still have more buttons to roll down the hallway. later gator.

          • WhutHeSaid

            Oh my, now you’re having a snit fit over being called on your unsubstantiated claims — how special.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.h.jenkins Dawn Hodges Jenkins

            Angelsinca…I, for one, agree with you. It is not easy helping these misinformed people to see the facts…thanks for your good intentions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            . . . the highway to Hell is paved with good intentions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

            It’s all about you Angelsinca isn’t it. Just so you know the ACA hasn’t cost you a penny….if your rates and wait times have gone up it’s because the healthcare system in this country has you over a barrel and will use you to their own advantage. Go ahead, keep support the GOP and the Medical industry…let’s see how far that will get you. The past 50 years have enough evidence to show you.

          • angelsinca

            hmmm. No, it isn’t about angelinca. The entire healthcare ‘system’ isn’t the problem. It’s the availability and cost of services.

            I support the party that abandons the fewest souls. The one that doesn’t take away liberty and freedom from one group to hand out to another. The one that understands the importance of debt. The one that knows you don’t replace the engine when a tune up is needed or throw away the entire loaf of bread when you burn one piece. The one doesn’t mock the individual as being too stupid or too religious or too conservative or too moral or too traditional or too much unlike the rest of the herd. Good luck.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc. – It is true that the repubs are the party that did not abandon us. They never recognized most of the citizenry to begin with. You are just so special. You never did answer WhutHeSaid. Why not? We already know the answer, but why keep lying?

          • angelsinca

            Do you think Obama is truthful?

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc. – You are a sanctimonious twit. As far as your “too” arguments, when you use bigoted ideas to destroy the joy and health in other people’s lives, then you are too stupid, too religious, etc. Insuring you at the cost of others is not a way to run a strong country. And do not say get a job” like you morons are apt to do. Most of us have worked our entire lives without a break. And if getting that “better job” were fairly possible, then I would be making the big money and you would be on welfare. Oooops, that does not exist either. Sorry, but I do not hold any sympathy for hypocrites, especially evil ones bent on the misery of their fellow humans, using falsehoods as their tools.

          • angelsinca

            You make assumptions that are false and back them up with insinuation. If you have a truthful point to make that isn’t a personal attack or imagined dispersion, let’s talk, civilly. Otherwise, please stop polluting the space you occupy. Thank you..

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc., ACA did not cause insurance rates to rise. The “anticipation” by the greedy insurance agents caused that. Learn to reason and learn to tell the truth.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc., we all have been hit with increases. Those come from the insurance companies and their greed. As well, if this is “poorly crafted POS, what is your solution. We have been waiting for years to hear what you have in mind. As always, you are the one full of BS, spewing lies to get what you want at the expense of the rest of us. As well, YOU OBVIOUSLY did not read what I had to say. I do care that you are wrong, however, I realize you are too stupid to reason with. So you BS has to be factored out of the equation, as it has no purpose.

          • angelsinca

            Huh? kisses and hugs for you too, Russell. Do you have a point that isn’t loaded with insult? Really, sweetie. Be nice or be ignored.

          • charleo1

            You got it! Fear, and smear. Smear, and fear. All the live long day.

          • irishtap

            If by POS you’re referring to the ‘Affordable Care Act’, you NEED to remember this is essentially the very plan written at the conservative ‘Heritage Foundation’. It was prepared to be used against the far better, ‘single payer plan’, you may have heard about, that President Clinton was attempting to forward. And remember : it’s the same plan Mitt Romney passed in Massachusettes that is pretty popular there as well. It’s not the best plan, that is true but, it’s a start. It’s the irony here that I love. The president was able to take out this long considered dead ‘conservative plan’, dust it off and get it passed despite such rancorous, disgusting opposition from the party whom wrote it. Watching that vote was well worth the price of admission, absolutely priceless. I admit to laughing hysterically, while the GOP choked on their own plan. You are right again angelsinca – we can indeed to much better.

          • lostintheswamp

            it’s not even fully implemented yet … who’s paying for the free stuff now?

          • angelsinca

            I do. I’ve been paying in for 40 years. Sounds like you haven’t had to. Please correct me if wrong.

          • lostintheswamp

            you are absolutely right …. and that’s the point … when people don’t have insurance, their medical costs are put on the backs of those with insurance or paying cash for their care … and that’s the point of ‘obamacare’ … everybody has to pay what they can afford … no more free riders … also, i am 63 years old and have worked since i was 14 and babysitting before that … so it’s wrong to assume that i haven’t paid into the system, because i certainly have and for the last 20 years as single with no dependents,no deductions except myself, i saw about 45% of my earnings go before i got my check .. ..

          • angelsinca

            I agree. It’s an uneasy alliance to have someone, particularly the gov’t, tell you how much is ‘affordable’. I was hoping to continue having the freedom to exercise those judgments on my own. There’s always hope that Ralph Waldo Emerson wasn’t wasting time with Self-Reliance. The thought of surrendering those choices is disturbing.

            I think we’ll find out shortly how the concept of everybody-carry-their-own-weight works out, and if it is met with as much resistance as pay-their-fair-share.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You are wrong. Many people are paying for the uninsured, including Democrats and PPACA proponents. That’s not the same thing as ‘you’, but perhaps you should run it by Piers for verification.

          • angelsinca

            Many people are paying for the uninsured, including Democrats and PPACA proponents

            Yes, of course ‘they’ are, ‘you’ are, ‘we’ are…whatever you say.

            perhaps you should run it by Piers for verification

            Unlikely.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc. – you’re wrong. So there, you have been corrected!

          • WhutHeSaid

            We could do better, but not while the current crop of obstructionist Republicans are in office. In case you didn’t know, we ALREADY pay for the uninsured who wait until the last minute and then seek care in a hospital ER. I challenge you to provide evidence to back up your claim that the ‘quality and availability’ of healthcare is ‘suffering’ as a result of the PPACA. Also, healthcare costs have been rising at an alarming rate for decades, so what proof do you have that the PPACA is causing what was already occurring?

          • angelsinca

            I can show you my bills for the past eight years for multiple heart failure, open heart surgery, therapy, etc if interested. But, you bring up an excellent point. Why hasn’t the all-inclusive, all-knowing ppACA adressed the e-room calamity by establishing incentive for a network clinics?

          • WhutHeSaid

            Just because you’ve had medical issues doesn’t prove that the PPACA has caused a decrease in the ‘quality and availability’ of healthcare. You need to show some cause and effect or your claim is just anecdotal.

            As far as clinics, the PPACA does provide some incentives and grants for school-based clinics and nurse-managed wellness clinics. Although you can’t resist taking a derisive swipe at the PPACA (e.g., all knowing ppACA), you haven’t provided any information to back up your general gripe that the PPACA is bringing about the end of the world as we know it.

          • angelsinca

            You set a standard for discussion that is incommensurate with the medium, professor. We’re in the COMMENTS section below an article within a blog, not assembling an article for Scientific American. You demand rigid substantiation for casual commentary, yet discredit your own formal insistence with an assuming insinuation that I fear ‘the end of the world as we know it’. I didn’t make that prediction.

            With all pompous posturing aside, thanks for the information on the planned clinics in schools. I don’t have the legal expertise (or patience w/bureaucratic gobbledygook) to read the entire bill with any useful comprehension. There used to be clinics in most schools 40 years ago. A return to that care sounds like a swell idea. However, I had suggested readily accessible clinics for everyone , not just the kids, as alternatives to emergency rooms. Wherever there is an emergency room, there should be a clinic nearby to refer those patients to, IMO

          • WhutHeSaid

            Hee-hee — if that doesn’t excuse you from backing up your claims with facts, what evasive device will you employ next?

            There is a big difference between obvious sarcasm and unsubstantiated assertions of fact. Proof that the PPACA has negatively affected the ‘quality and availability’ of healthcare doesn’t require you to author a whitepaper — a couple of basic examples would be sufficient. Given that you also made the claim that you know this through personal experience, citing supporting facts should be a trivial effort.

            Since you feel qualified to lecture others on Internet posting etiquette, allow me to offer you a bit to you: When posting claims in Internet forums, it is customary to consider claims that one poster cannot substantiate with *some* evidence as bullshit.

          • angelsinca

            It cusses when it’s mad.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You are becoming more humorous with each and every post. Is this how you always behave when you are caught telling a bunch of hooey?

          • angelsinca

            You have a pattern of harrassing and bullying the other particpants on this site. I didn’t have to review too many of your posts to see that wherever you enter discussions, you quickly become a one man attack machine with similar accusations of unsubstantiated claims. You then lean in with insults, accusations and silencing harrassment. With me, you have evolved from being informational to irrelevant to challenging to confrontational to annoying to disturbing. Now, since I have clearly relinquished participation with and asked that you leave me alone, you continue with unwanted attention. I claim harrassment. Your targeted personal attacks are the cause, my unnerving is the effect. In no uncertain terms, get out of my ass, creep.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You have the dubious distinction of being the very first poster here at the National Memo who has used the excuse of being harassed to give you an ‘out’ for your bullshit arguments. You singled ME out for your crap — not the other way around — and I tolerated it — as ridiculous as it was.

            This is a comment and debate board. If you are too much of a crybaby to defend your obnoxious and obviously contrived arguments, perhaps you should go find a nice McDonald’s playroom for yourself. I don’t need to debate with you, and you certainly offer nothing but lies anyway, and then whine when you are pressed for proof.

            From this point forward, when you see my posts you can keep your lies to yourself and move on. Perhaps one day you will grow up and get a life, but I doubt it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            That remark is BS.

          • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

            Why not just ask the average Medicare or Medicaid patient if their physician will continue to see them with the munerations they will recieve through Obamacare, and you might get an answer. If the hospitals can only afford sub standard caregivers, everything will suffer, more infections, more deaths, etc. You have blinders on. Primary care physicians are at the present time deciding how they will carry on, depending on how this new plan will pay them.Yes, it does come down to dollars. After all, they hgave enormous student loans they will be paying for for years, as well as try to support their families.

          • WhutHeSaid

            You have no proof of any of these claims, of course. Proponents of the PPACA, on the other hand, can point out the success in Massachusetts — the model for the PPACA. You can gripe each and every day from morning until night about the law, but it’s not going away. We’ll have the opportunity to see how the law affects health care over time — we don’t need to make pessimistic predictions of gloom and doom.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Stupid Eleanor, you have the blinders on, but you do show your (and repulicons, in general) true colors. There is no substitute plan. Just care for YOU. Very Christian . . .

            As well, you seem to be clairvoyant. You know all the answers even though nothing has taken effect yet. As for increases in premiums, that has become legend with the private insurers. They increased in double-digits every year long before Obamacare was even proposed.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            And Eleanor, what your ilk HAS proven by your rhetoric is a simple set of facts. If the insurance companies will raise their rates in response to something they are not even paying for yet, then we should be RESPONDING in kind and going to single payer. Eliminate the greed and the waste, forthwith!

          • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

            We have not yet seen the decline in quality care. As doctors leave the field of practicing physicians to become teachers, consultants, etc. we will see a big difference. The amounts that they are being paid by Medicare and Medicaid will be greatly decreased, too. They have spent many years and thousands of dollars to become doctors and cannot continue to keep their practices operative on those payments. More and more will be declining to see a Medicare or Medicaid patient The amount they are paying for libility insurance is in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the staff needed to keep a practice running smoothly and efficiently is also not peanuts.

          • WhutHeSaid

            It sounds like you have an opinion, but no facts to support it. You are correct that we haven’t seen a decline in quality care, and you’ve offered no proof that we will.

            Currently, one of the biggest factors in making healthcare in the US so costly is the practice of uninsured people waiting until the absolute last minute before they seek medical care, when their condition has become dire and many factors of magnitude more expensive than if they had sought out preventative or early care. The individual mandate part of the PPACA was designed to change this expensive phenomenon, lowering the costs for everyone — including physicians.

            The cost of malpractice insurance is not expected to increase due to any provisions in the PPACA — at least not that I’m aware of. This is a separate issue, and in my opinion needs to be addressed. But that’s not an argument for or against the PPACA.

            It’s abundantly clear that health care in the US has been grossly inefficient and expensive for a long time. That’s why the PPACA was enacted. So what proof do the naysayers have that the new health law will be a horrible disaster, bankrupting doctors and causing health care quality to suffer? That’s just the point: There is no such proof. In fact, the Massachusetts law that the PPACA was modeled after is doing very well, and recent polls show that 75% of Massachusetts physicians approve of the law. The experiment in Massachusetts has been a big success. This is the best evidence we have regarding what we can expect from the PPACA, and until the purveyors of all this gloom and doom have some evidence to support their griping it will just be their opinion at best. At worst it is just another excuse to attack the black man in the White House because of his skin color.. That’s too bad, because 4 years from now the PPACA will still be the law of the land, and Obama will still be black.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            You miss the obvious. Most of what you say cannot happen. How many teachers do we need when, if you are to be believed, no one wants to be a student? These ex-doctors can go home if they want to, but certainly, most will not get new medical professions.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

            All about you once again…8 years of medical issues and you want to somehow hang that on Obamacare, that’s a joke isn’t? I have yet to see you submit one cohesive point to substantiate your claims about the ACA. You’re a victim of the Medical industry in this country, the insurance companies do not care about your health simply what you have in your wallet. Get a life if you can, the ACA is the law of the land, it can stand improvements for sure but none will ever be allowed by by the current GOP.

          • angelsinca

            The GOP ‘wont’ allow’ improvements? That’s ridiculous, Al.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc. Why are you still here harassing people? Go away and allow intelligent, caring people to hold a civil conversation. You cry foul, but you still have not given one shred of evidence. YOU ARE THE HARASSER. Go away, if you can’t take it!

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            And Mr. Hubbard is right. My question is, why should the medical system take care of YOU, when so many go without? Why are you so special? I can only observe that you likely lived an extremely unhealthy lifestyle and put yourself in this precarious situation. Now for the good conservative line . . . tee-hee. TAKE responsibility for your own actions.

          • angelsinca

            Finally, a reasonable question, ‘why should the medical system take care of me’? I pay for it. Maybe I’m wrong, but you seem to be saying that medical care should only be available for people that have made healthy choices all their lives. Do you really want healthcare for the masses or just control over what they do?

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            So, you have been using the “hell” out of the system. No wonder your policies are going up. If I needed that kind of treatment, I would have left hundreds of thousands in unpaid bills (for you to pay, for instance) and I would be dead. I have had insurance for years now, but I could never want anyone to do without it in this society. UNLIKE your selfish, evil a**.

        • alsoavietnamvet

          Frida,
          I agree! Paul Ryan can’t explain how his budget will achieve balance. When he was Mitt’s running mate, he was interviewed by Scott Pelley of CBS News; Scott asked Ryan how his budget proposal would work/succeed. Ryan said there was not enough time (during the interview) to explain his budget plan. So, the Brookings Institute took the time to examine, and explain his PLAN. The Brookings Institute concluded that the NUMBERS DID NOT ADD UP, and the budget plan (as presented by Ryan) WOULD NOT WORK!!! And, yet, here he is AGAIN, with the same plan (with unspecified loopholes), and recieving (AGAIN) House approval!! When the House members return to “work”, they’ll probably vote (AGAIN) to repeal “Obamacare” (didn’t they do this 33 or 34 times, already?). To their supporters, I guess it looks like they are “working” diligently!!!

      • charleo1

        While you’re asking God’s blessing for Ryan,”Trying to balance the budget.”
        Don’t forget to ask God’s blessing for all the people in this Country, on who’s
        back he’s trying to balance it. And, why do you think it’s the Democrats place
        to help Ryan, anyway? Ryan didn’t win his election.

        • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

          With a name like “empiremed” one has to wonder. . . .

          • charleo1

            Yeah, what is up with that?

      • RobertCHastings

        God, at least in the form of the Holy Catholic Church, has informed Representative Ryan that his budget does not reflect the teachings of the Bible.

      • lostintheswamp

        hahahahahahahah!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Brown/1607477309 David Brown

        It’s democrats, no e near the end. So, you can’t spell and you obviously don’t think. Here’s an idea for you STFU. When you speak you show that a teabag is not an intelligent thing.

      • Lisztman

        God condemn Paul Ryan for trying to balance the budget on the backs of the unfortunate.
        Paul Ryan is NOT trying to balance the budget. He’s trying to protect his corporate backers and rich cronies from kicking in their fair share; protect their giveaways. Are you in the 1%? If not, when was the last time you declared a “depreciation allowance” on YOUR 1040?

        • empiremed

          According to the IRS, the top 1% of tax payers pay 39% of total taxes. The
          top 25% pay 86% of total taxes. The top 50% pay 97% of total taxes. The bottom 50% pay 3%. On who’s backs is this country being carried?
          God bless Paul Ryan. He’s a better man than all the democrats put
          together.

          • Lisztman

            You’re only counting Income Taxes, sir. We all pay a lot of other Federal taxes, too. That hit the “bottom 50%” that you’re castigating. Your extremist feathers are showing.

          • empiremed

            Name the other federal taxes and who is paying more of them. And you
            didn’t answer the question. On whos backs are this country being carried? And whos the extremist, ones that want a balanced budget or greedy ones that just want more and more of what is not their’s for free regardless of what it does to the country?

          • Lisztman

            Off the top of my head: Federal Gasoline taxes, which hit the poor just as hard as the rich (except that they’re probably not driving the gaz-guzzling Escalades and BMW’s). Communications taxes (they’re embedded in all your phone bills).

            Whose backs? Mine, for one. Yes, the upper tiers are paying more toward the country’s needs than the lower tiers. It’s the same world-wide. ‘Twas always thus, and always will be. Who’s the extremist? The one that wants a balanced budget by hammering away all the social safety nets (that help ALL of society) in lieu of trimming pork like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that STILL won’t fly right; like subsidies to oil companies; and that sort of stuff.

            Most of those whom you call “greedy” aren’t. The second quintile (20-40% of average income) are scraping by, probably working more than one job, just to make ends meet on a substandard minimum wage. They may be receiving food stamp assistance. They’re NOT scamming the system.

            The ones who are greedy are the rich folks who hide their monies behind tax abatements, offshore accounts, “capital gains” preferred-rate taxes, depreciation allowances, and all the rest of that crap.

            Apparently you’re one of the 1%. Quitcherbitchin and move on. (And BTW, I doubt you’re in the 1%. Your lack of education is showing. Get off Fox “News”, read a few good books on the subject, and get yourself a grammar primer.)

          • empiremed

            Can you even add 2 + 2? What difference does it make what deductions
            the 1% have when they’re aready paying 39% of all income taxes while the bottom 50% pay 3%? How much more do you want? And nobody is hammering away at social safety nets. You’re the one listening to too
            much propaganda. You’re really not as smart as you think you are..

          • Lisztman

            Ha! Good joke.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            We would like you to actually do some math, rather than make inane, blanket, AND VERY INCORRECT statements about the bulk of the
            American people. Your 1% heroes CONTROL just shy of 90% of all the wealth in the country. And they are stuck deeply in the 10% that is left to the rest of us. In any society that cared about its people, they would be paying 90%. AND they would still be bringing home a bundle. America is not going to be a strong nation because we have 3,000,000 millionaires. The other 97% must at least have some chance or this nation will fail. Anyone that can add 2 + 2 can figure this out. BUT you can’t?

          • empiremed

            My source is the Internal Revenue Service, what’s yours? In America, as it was founded, everyone has a chance to find wealth and happiness on there own without interference from the government. The purpose of the Constitution was to grant citizens freedom by restricting the power of government. This country has always been generous, from the top down.
            Have you looked into what the 1% gives and contributes without having a gun pointed at their head by the taxing hand of government. They are not holding the rest of the counrt down. They provide jobs and promote social welfare with much more success than the government, They should be shown appreciation, not redicule. The government only promotes dependency.

          • Lisztman

            Perhaps not as smart as I think I am, but I think for myself. I’m a hell of a lot smarter than you — who are merely quoting the Fox “News” crap.

          • empiremed

            The answere is 4. I know that’s been keeping you up at night.

          • empiremed

            The answer is 4. I know that’s been keeping you up at night. Dumbass!

          • angelsinca

            Lisztman-you had some good points, until you tried to forge them with unecessary personal attacks and boilerplate assumptions such as the 1% quip, Fox, grammar, unread, etc.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Lisztman’s points were all valid. Especially so, since your ilk spouts spoon fed propanganda straight from right-wing talking heads. He is right, you do not have any real thought process, just malarkey from right-wing entertainment media. AND all this comes from a whining, crybaby that has literally not put forth one shred of evidence in this whole thread. Even though you have been asked repeatedly.

          • Lisztman

            You didn’t answer my question. But, in the meantime, you’re ONLY counting 1040 Income Taxes. You’re neglecting all the other Federal taxes that show up all over, on things like gasoline and telephones.

          • empiremed

            You’re really reaching now and showing your ignorance. The federal gasoline excise tax is 18.4 cents per gallon or less than $200 a year for the average driver. And you can buy gasoline with food stamps. The federal telephone excise tax was repealed by the Republicans in 2006.
            What else you got. You really think that makes up the difference in the income tax structure. You’ve lost the argument, you’re just not smart enough to realize it.

          • Lisztman

            No, I haven’t lost the argument. I said “like” gasoline and telephones. That’s nowhere near the whole list. I don’t care who pays what percentage. FWIW, for the last 20 years or so, until I retired last year, my wife and I were in the top 10% of income earners in this country. Do you hear me complaining about taxation? No. The Nation needs to run on something.

            You STILL haven’t answered any of the questions. Beyond your grammatical errors (a first flag of ignorance), you haven’t said anything about your status regarding the 1%, or your “depreciation allowances.” Methinks you doth protest too much.

          • empiremed

            It doesn’t matter how much I make and it’s none of your business anyway.
            I slapped down your puny list and asked what else you had. The tax system is unbalanced. If most of the people don’t pay taxes then of course there going to vote for free benefits and thinks will just get worse and worse. How’s my grammar, you idiot.

          • Lisztman

            Your grammar & spelling are atrocious.

            In the meantime — “if most of the people don’t pay taxes…” I don’t see where “most of the people don’t pay taxes.” I just did my son’s tax return. He made a whopping $12K last year. And his tax bill was hundreds of dollars. Yes. He didn’t have a wife and kids. Take out $7K a year for rent. Not much left to live on, is there?

          • empiremed

            Sorry, I’m too busy to proofread my posts, I’ll try harder. I hope you teach your son to look to himself to improve his station in life. Have the good kind of pride in not worshipping the almighty government as hid God and provider. In other words, be a man.

            The bottom 50% is paying a tiny bit of the taxes, so you can’t give them much of a tax cut by definition. Yet these are the people to whom the Democrats claim to want to give tax cuts. Remember this the next time you hear the “tax cuts for the rich” business. Understand that the so-called rich are about the only ones paying taxes anymore.

            I had a conversation with a woman who identified herself as Misty on Wednesday. She claimed to be an accountant, yet she seemed unaware of the Alternative Minimum Tax, which now ensures that everyone pays some taxes. AP reports that the AMT, “designed in 1969 to ensure 155 wealthy people paid some tax,” will hit “about 2.6 million of us this year and 36 million by 2010.” That’s because the tax isn’t indexed for inflation! If your salary today would’ve made you mega-rich in ’69, that’s how you’re taxed.

            Misty tried the old line that all wealth is inherited. Not true. John Weicher, as a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and a visiting scholar at the Federal Reserve Bank, wrote in his February 13, 1997 Washington Post Op-Ed, “Most of the rich have earned their wealth… Looking at the Fortune 400, quite a few even of the very richest people came from a standing start, while others inherited a small business and turned it into a giant corporation.” What’s happening here is not that “the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.” The numbers prove it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            As Lisztman said. Plus the fact, you do not count the amount the mercenary 1% (or even25%) “struggled” home with. And be damned, sir, THEY DO NOT EARN THAT MONEY. They manipulate that 75% that do make the money. THAT is why the bottom 50% do not pay much federal tax – THEY do not have the money to begin with. Yeah, God bless the evil heathen, is a more correct statement about Paul Ryan. Your soul, if it exists, is certainly forfeit as you have confused an idol, i.e. the dollar sign, for God. You and your ilk refuse to use common sense, you want a weak, controlled, undemocratic country. You and your disgusting kind want this nation to be your personal playground, and nothing more.

          • empiremed

            I told you my source. What’s your’s?

    • lostintheswamp

      everytime someone on the teevee says how smart paul ryan is, i want to smash the teevee …. but i’m too smart for that, and i’m smart enough to know that paul ryan is not smart at all …

      • latebloomingrandma

        You need to get yourself a styrofoam brick to throw at the teevee. In my house Newt acquired the most throws, then i stopped watching.

        • lostintheswamp

          good idea … maybe stone it with popcorn too …

  • zoehoney

    What are you talking about? Ryan is attempting to spare this country you knuckleheads! With OCare it will TAKE from Medicare while bankrupting this country FASTER. Wake up.

    • irishtap

      I’m wide awake zoehoney, and respectfully disagree. The Affordable Care Act, will take nothing from Medicare. Obama only shut down aspects (private sector) already robbing the program blind, that’s all. Our country is not going broke. The deficit is shrinking under our ‘community organizer’ president, despite all the horrendous policies passed under our previous ‘MBA’…I repeat ‘MBA’ president. Our current commander in chief is the stingiest spender since the days of Eisenhower. Take a breath and read some articles by David Cay Johnston, a bonifide “registered republican” we can ALL learn from. I’m a liberal and I read whatever I can find from this exceptional man. He’s loaded with facts, statistics, and integrity. Back away from the FOX trap and walk toward the light, zoehoney.

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      Actually, if you greedy deadbeats would develop a positive attitude and work to better the nation, we can easily make the ACA work, and more. Instead you just grab whatever you can “leverage” from those that really create the wealth, i.e. the workers. What would you say if you did not have any medical insurance? It is easy to say you can go without a meal when you just ate your fill. In any case, it is the right path to follow. At least a it is a beginning.

  • http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

    Paul Ryan will do and say whatever he things his constituents want to hear. During the last presidential cammpaign he and Romney criticized President Obama for the $716B in MEDICARE savings, which do not affect the benefits we get. Now, when he realizes that those savings are critical to help balance the budget he makes them part of his budget. Typical politician.

    He is now determined to defund Obamacare. Wait until its implementation results in lower insurance premiums, lower medical costs, and the benefits derived from ALL Americans getting the preventive medical care we need, and he will flip flop once again to ensure his top priority – what is best for Paul Ryan – is not out of step with what voters want and expect from our elected officials.

    He should take a look at what many Republican governors, including Florida’s Rick Scott, have concluded before he makes a fool of himself…again!

    • http://www.facebook.com/baxter.braum Baxter Braum

      Seriously, if Governor Rick Scott, who is about as anti-poor and anti-minorities as they come, is changing his mind over the Affordable Care Act (A.K.A. – Obamacare) then why are ANY other RepubliCANT’s not onboard with it? Oh yeah, next year is an election cycle for them.

      When the hell will these morons wake the f@*k up?!!! Even when the ACA is fully implemented and hopefully fully funded, it will still never be as good as the care these “representatives” of ours get!

      I live in Tennessee, so I have no representatives because they are all focused on what the lobbyists tell them to be interested in and NEVER what the people who elected them actually want. My ONLY representatives are President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden (President in 2016!)

      The only thing the Right is good for is splitting America more and more down the middle to the point where there WILL BE another Civil War, only our “enemies” could be right next door! And, if this doesn’t scare the Sh!t out of you, it SHOULD!

      • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

        Mr. Braum, very well said AND very scary.

        • CPAinNewYork

          I’ll second that.

      • CPAinNewYork

        I think that bullet head Scott is just plain scared of losing his job.

        • plc97477

          wouldn’t hurt me much

      • neeceoooo

        I live in Tennessee as well and I know exactly what you are saying

      • joeham1

        Spoken like a blind idiot!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/IQNV5NV2RS7A7XMJKYHLRBZZ5A Betta

        Hey Baxter, listen up, dude. Gee I wish you guys on here would do more research before showing how utterly ignorant you are. The Florida state legislature turned down Scott’s acceptance of the obamacare tragedy. Won’t be any obamacare here. Too expensive and unsustainable.

        Forget about Biden in 2016. It will never happen for that goof ball. In addition, the folks who know the true story about BO are working to end his second term of dictatorial tyranny. See, he is an illegal alien using fake documents and a stolen SS#, which are FELONIES. It’s before the Supreme court as we speak. YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW THIS BY NOW!

        I hope the first thing to go is your free obamaphones. If it were left up to me I would turn them all OFF! GET A FREAKING JOB and pay for your OWN damn phones. I am sick and tired of paying extra for mine so that you can have a free one. YOU DON’T DESERVE a free phone paid for by somebody else. Get off your lazy asses, get a job and stop leeching off of people who pay their own way!

        Do some research. You just might mess around and learn something.

        • Lisztman

          Hey, Betta, in case you don’t recognize yourself, you’re a TROLL!

          You want us to “do some research”? Try doing some yourself. You’re still on the “birther” crap. It’s over. Get a life. “Obamacare” = “Expensive and unsustainable”? Please show us your data.

          I don’t have a “free phone”. We (my wife and self) pay Verizon a ton of cash each month for our phones and phone plan. And I worked in industry for 38 years prior to my imminent retirement. So get off the “moocher” crap.

          In short, you’re a loudmouth know-nothing. The Order of the Star-Spangled Banner flourished in the mid-19th century. From the sound of you, it appears to be yet alive.

          • empiremed

            Obamacare has been law for nearly three years, with its anniversary approaching on March 23. And while the major provisions (exchange subsidies and Medicaid expansion) aren’t slated to begin until 2014, Obamacare is already having devastating effects on Americans and their health care.

            Recall that fateful Presidential promise, made on several occasions during the health care reform debate, “If you like your health care plan, you’ll be able to keep your health care plan, period. No one will take it away, no matter what.”

            Despite the President’s promise, Heritage warned that many provisions in Obamacare would encourage employers to drop health coverage for their workers:

            Many businesses and their employees—especially lower-income employees—will find that replacing ESI [employer-sponsored insurance] plans with subsidized coverage on the exchanges is mutually beneficial. Employers would no longer offer health insurance but would offer wage increases as wages and benefits are substitutes in an employee’s net compensation. At the same time, these workers will still have access to coverage through the exchanges with the subsidies or through Medicaid.

            Heritage had it right. As employers and businesses prepare for the law’s major insurance regulations and mandates to begin next year, more stories of people losing their current coverage are emerging.

            Most recently, Universal Orlando announced that it will no longer offer coverage for its part-time workers. The reason is Obamacare’s prohibition of annual benefit limits beginning in 2014, causing Universal’s plans to become too expensive. It’s estimated this will affect about 500 Universal employees. But the law began phasing out annual limits over the past few years, which Universal—along with 1,230 other health plans—had a waiver for. However, those waivers expire January 1, 2014, and the likely outcome will be that the nearly 4 million Americans enrolled in those plans will be forced out of their current health plan.

            Another group who will lose their current coverage in 2014 is the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA). According to a news release, “[M]edical coverage will end for some 17,500 Association members and thousands of their dependents at year’s end.” The underwriter of AVMA’s medical coverage blames “regulatory requirements put in place as a result of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act signed by President Obama in 2010.” However, the Association plans to offer other coverage by operating its own private exchange in 2014.

            There will likely be many more of these stories over the next few years, as the Congressional Budget Office projects that, on net, 7 million Americans will lose their ESI by 2022 due to the enactment of Obamacare.

            Worse yet, there are plenty of other studies that predict the loss of ESI will be much greater. McKinsey & Company, a consulting firm, found that “30 percent of employers will definitely or probably stop offering ESI in the years after 2014.”

            Deloitte, another consulting firm, found that around 10 percent of employers would drop coverage and send their employees into the new government-run exchanges.

            While these results vary in severity, they all mean that Obamacare will cause millions of Americans to lose their current health care coverage—which is just one of Obamacare’s many broken promises.

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        • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.h.jenkins Dawn Hodges Jenkins

          Kudos!!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

          Another FOX idiot. Illegal Alien good god how incredibly stupid that crap is. Stolen SS#, that’s a good one, care to explain just how that happened, stolen by whom, his mother, Santa and the Easter Bunny?? Obamaphones, please save us all from the idiocy. Obamaphones were introduced by Reagan, so should be called Reaganphones. They cost the taxpayer nothing, nothing. All costs for these Reaganphones are paid for by phone companies. Take your own advice and do some research.

    • RobertCHastings

      I seriously doubt he will flip-flop on this issue. His BFF Romney was blasted by the base for supporting Medicare enhancement in Massachusetts ( probably a big factor in his loss). Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid are the big three that Republicans want to destroy, so they can reduce the size of government, and destroy whatever safety nets the government has created for those of us who could not survive retirement without. They refuse to accept that once we are out of Afghanistan, we will be saving $100B a year, more than enough to cover the sequestration.

    • MrStoneheep

      “Paul Ryan will do and say whatever he things his constituents want to hear. ”
      Believe you meant “think”.

      Dom, do believe that’s what he is SUPPOSED to do, go the way of his constituency.
      If he knows for sure the people that got him his seat want that, that’s his obligation,
      rather than doing the bidding of someone having no vote in his election process. Personally, my wish is that ALL in the ‘puzzle palace’ known as D.C. would do the same and this “party line” madness would cease. That’s what the Separation of Powers is all about. A Sioux City Democrat is a whole different animal than is a
      Boston Democrat. When they arrive at the ‘puzzel palace’ they aren’t supposed to
      morph into the opposite, but today, most sadly do.

      • Lisztman

        Sorry, MrStoneheep. The left keeps attempting to compromise, and the right keeps moving the goalposts. The only thing the right has “given” to the problem is the modest tax increase on the $400K+ crowd, and that was done over the screaming meemies of extremists like Mr. Ryan.

        Mr. Ryan, and company, have to learn that, yes, one holds the interests of one’s constituency to heart, but, at the same time, that drawing lines around areas of the Nation and refusing to work for the good of the Nation in its entirety accomplishes NOTHING.

        The Representative system of government is predicated on the basis that the citizens of a given locale send someone “wise” to Washington to ensure that their voices are heard. NOT to demand that everything be done their way, and promoting gridlock in the process.

        @Mr. Ryan. Do your xxx JOB. Which is NOT to keep hammering at the same nails that are already set.

    • http://www.facebook.com/fern.woodfork Fern Woodfork

      The Lying King Is Back Again With The Same Old Broke Down Bullshit!!! After 33 Times Already The American Taliban Is Still Wasting The American People Time And Money!! Just Stuck On Stupid As Always :-(

    • plc97477

      I am not sure we can call him a typical politician, he seems stupider than most

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Daniel-Jones/827014412 Daniel Jones

        These dweebs are not politicians. They are paid consultants bought and paid for by the financiers who paid them to keep business as deregulated and CEOs as under-taxed as possible, no matter what the harm to the country as a whole.

    • joeham1

      Not even you believe it will lower heathcare costs or premiums. Your an ass for demonizing a guy who knows that the Obama debt is out of control and wants to lower the deficit. If your not a white house staffer then you will admit to the people on this site that there is not enough millionares and billionares to help pay for this insane spending! The middle class will soon have to help pay for the radical spending and Obama care! Where is your soul?

      • Lisztman

        Umm. joeham1: The ACA WILL, eventually, lower healthcare costs for the Nation as a WHOLE. You speak of “insane spending”. You mean, like the unfunded wars in Eastern Asia?

        How about you try supporting the closure of all those “loopholes” that Messrs. Romney and Ryan were talking about last fall? Or have those been forgotten. I suspect you’re content to sit on your butt and wrap your arms around your precious millions, fearing that you might have to pay YOUR fair share of operating the Nation that has supported your ability to get where you are.

        Except that the only place I can see your face is somewhere up your butt.

        • Lisztman

          Correction. Western Asia.

        • joeham1

          You are either senile or retarded. Read the CBO report on ACA. The 900 billion dollar mess called ACA will cost at least 2.8 trillion! You asshole are pathetic to call Ryan extreme because he puts forward a budget that balances the Budget.
          The President is a nut bag. The right gave him a $660 billion tax increase in January and now he wants another and you say he compromised? He has not put forward a penny in spending reductions. I know your dizzy in love with this joke of a President but for god sake don’t believe every thing he says. The evidence is everywhere on just how bad he is for this country! He has idiots like you repeating everything he says!

          • Lisztman

            Joeham1. Crawl back into your cave. You’re being incredibly selective in what you choose to quote and where you collect your data. (And, of course, as usual, there are no sources quoted, leading me to believe you made up your numbers.)
            Yes. He compromised. He accepted less than he was asking for. You don’t see it as a compromise because, gee, your guys had to do the same.
            And YOU may stop believing everything that Fox “News” says… they have idiots like you fawning over their pap.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.h.jenkins Dawn Hodges Jenkins

        Glad to see someone who really understands.

        • joeham1

          It’s so sad that such a big group of people on this site are completely ignorant of the facts! The Presidents horrible record is now on this site for the blind to see. Don’t get me wrong. Bush sucked! He let the Clinton housing bill stay in effect and that’s why we had such a bad recession.

          Here is the real record of the worst President ever!

          1) Passed health care bill: Said cost would not exceed 900 billion. Now cost exceed 2.8 Trillion (Source: CBO)
          2) sold 1,500 military style guns to the mexican drug cartel. Didn’t track them, 2 Americans and over 100 Mexicans dead.
          3) Did not protect American Embassy in Libya. 4 dead
          4) increases deficit 6 trillion in 4 years. Projected to AT LEAST double the deficit after 2 terms.
          5) Increased Taxes $660 Billion in January 2013 and let’s the sequester happen in March because of his demand for more another tax increase 45 days later.
          6) Campaigned on transparency and did the opposite
          7) Campaigned on cutting the deficit in half, doubled it
          8) Increased poverty 6.1% in 4 years
          9 Mandated religious groups to pay for contraception regardless of their beliefs
          10) Invested $500 million in Solyndra and they went bankrupt 12 months later
          11) Cancelled the Keystone pipeline, gas has doubled since he took office!
          12) and finally: the first President in the history of our country to have less jobs after his first term then when he took office!

          • Lisztman

            “…Libya. 4 dead.” I’m SURE you railed against the war in Iraq, which, at last count, resulted in the deaths of over 4,000 US servicemen/women, not to mention far greater deaths among the Iraqis. All based on some lies and/or ineffectual intelligence.

          • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.h.jenkins Dawn Hodges Jenkins

            I know,I know…why don’t the rest of them know? I believe they are just too lazy to research, and following the media blindly is much easier.Best I can figure!

    • joeham1

      Dominick, as usual you say things which aren’t even close to the truth. Obama Care won’t lower premiums. The CBO has already concluded that instead of his lie that it would cost 900 billion the CBO reports it will be at least 2.8 trillion. The Paul Ryan budget blances the budget in 10 years. With the dumb ass in office now it NEVER gets balanced! Obama care is a scam as are all of Obamas programs! Ask the 23 million people still looking for jobs you lying sack of crap!

  • Eleanor

    Just hope you all have read all the ins and outs of the Obamacare package. I would like to see everyone have healthcare coverage, but how many in a family of 5 can afford $20,000 a year for insurance, and that is what has been reported as the cheapest. I have Medicare, use it for preventitive healthcare, but know that I may lose my primarycare physician if they opt out of it. I am on a S.S.retirement and do well to meet my budget now, paying $270.00 for supplemental, and paying over $80 a month for meds. Don’t have a whole lot left to pay other bills, buy food, gas. Continue to drive my 10yr old car and wear4-5yr old shoes and clothing. As a senior, I am trying to do as much research on this new care act, so I know just what I DO have. I have paid FICA and MEDICARE for the 50+ years I worked, hoping to have a little to fall back on when I retired. Republicans, Democrats, Tea Party, Independents, whoever, just please don’t make it too hurtful. Just reading above postWe do take care of our basic needs as well as pay for educating our own children and ask no help from the big government.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baxter.braum Baxter Braum

      Well, Eleanor,

      I would feel sorry for you, but you were probably right there with the Tea Baggers calling President Obama a Nazi (And, how ridiculous is that? – A black Nazi? Although it could be the half white in him that’s the Nazi, I guess!) that wanted to send the elderly to the “Death Panels” that he was supposedly creating with the Affordable Care Act. So, NO, I don’t feel sorry for you. Perhaps if you had been behind the single payer mandate and a universal plan for health care rather than umpteen insurance agencies and all of the lobbyists that come with, your supplemental insurance would not be $270.00/month and prescriptions another $80.00, which compared to my parents who pay $1100.00 per month under their current health insurance plan and another $400.00 per month, EACH, you are getting off rather cheap. No when the plan kicks in in it’s entirety, if the RepubliCANT’s don’t eventually kill it, EVERYONE’S premiums will go DOWN and their general health will go UP, because people will be able to get preventive care rather than only see the doctor when it is too late to do anything other than pump them with pills or radiation, or whatever other lovely little treatments there are.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

      Eleanor. MY wife and I are both on Medicare. we have an excellent supplemental which costs each of us about $110 a month…..if you are truly paying $270 per month on just your own insurance you really need to do some shopping. We also have a Part D plan and that costs us each about $30. Again 100% coverage for all generics. Perhaps you are speaking about both you and your husband and if that’s the case your numbers make sense.

      • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

        Al. This is just for me. My meds are about $50. a month now. I have no co-pay or deductibles. In the last 20 years I have been hospitalized about 7 times, having surgery during one. Had almost every diagnostic test possible, lab works, You name it, I had it. I did not have to pay a penny out of pocket. My sister has a plan that she has to pay the first $5,000 of a hospitalizations, has a co-pay for any tests, doctor visits, etc. I shopped around and did not find one I felt gave me the “safety net” I feel with this one. I will again shop around next year, and perhaps I can find one with the same plan that I have now. Thanks for your reply. God bless you and yours.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Onofre-J-Escobar-Rivera/100000299746833 Onofre J. Escobar Rivera

    They dislike Obamacare because they know it will help the poor and middle class which are two sectors these Replublicans hate. Republicans will prefer to wage war against Iran or any other foreign country and spend money in wars, but no money for our health system.

    • RNPRN

      Republicans have spent billions in their wars of convenience and profit. Rebuilding Bagdad and Iraq, while America crumbles. Vote these fools out in 2014. Bush ran up the deficit by 12 trillion dollars, put two wars on the credit card, did not pay for medicare drug legislation which was a give a way to big pharma and did not pay for his tax breaks for the wealthy. It has taken Obama 4+ years to clean up the destruction done by the Republicans. If they were so worried about deficits, why did Ryan vote for all of Bush’s spending.

    • angelsinca

      BS, BS, BS. The ACA is disliked because it’s a poorly crafted monstrosity that was rushed thru under the supermajority solely for political reasons. The people got screwed. The ACA is deeply flawed and should be reviewed to fix all the things it wasn’t intended to do like raise the cost of services, and cost to consumers.

      • charleo1

        Broaden your world. The ACA is only disliked in Foxland, and Right wing
        radio.

        • angelsinca

          As a life long payer for health insurance, when I see how the ACA has affected me for the worse, I don’t need your world of Miami Herald and Nat’l Memo to mock me for my dislike for the scheme. The ACA started as a political victory, now it’s a political weapon. Not an affordable healthcare plan, not at all.

          • charleo1

            You say you’re a life long payer. And I say, if everyone in the Country
            were as responsible as you, all of our healthcare bills would be much
            lower. Unfortunately, that’s not what’s been happening. Millions of
            uninsured are accessing the system through the emergency room.
            The most expensive place in the hospital to bring a sprained back.

            a kid with a cold, etc. And, since only 20%, or one in five, of uninsured patients pay the bill, the hospital’s method of recouping these costs, is to charge those who do carry insurance, like you, 5X the amount. So your insurance co. pays for you, and the four others
            who didn’t pay. And then, passes those costs on to you by raising your premiums, cutting your benefits, or both. So, in the end, who pays? So if they don’t choose to buy insurance, they should at least
            be required to pay in something. Don’t you think?
            My crappy little insurance policy has gone up 550% in the last 15
            years. It pays for nothing out right, co-pays on everything. And weeks
            to get permission for a test. I would love to fire them, like Romany.
            But, too bad for me, I have a pre-existing condition, (arthritis) So I’m
            stuck. And don’t think the insurance co. don’t know it. And did they
            ever fight healthcare reform. Why? Because, it’s a gold mine. With almost no competition, 5 major insurers carve up the entire State of FL. Until healthcare reform, they paid what they wanted, and when
            they pleased. And, the less benefits they paid, the more profit they
            made. Because of healthcare reform, they can’t do that anymore.
            85% of the premiums they collect must go to pay benefits to policy
            holders. If it isn’t, they must return the money. Were you aware of
            that? In 2011, they returned 1.6 billion dollars of unused premiums
            to policy holders. So, you say ACA has negatively impacted you.
            probably because your premiums went up? Were they going up
            before, ACA? So, I can’t know about your personal experience.
            But, I can tell you as it comes more on line, and more people are
            helped, the numbers supporting ACA, is more than 50%.

          • angelsinca

            Thanks for the reply charleo1. The mechanics of insurance are understood here, even the egregious ones. Our politicians have assured us that once more people are in the program, the costs will go down. That was the same argument when each state began implementing mandatory car insurance. Didn’t happen. Supply and demand doesn’t apply to mandated service.

            They expect health care pros and insurers to accept all the sweeping changes and absorb the cost. Got it. The refunds for the ‘unspent’ 15% only caused premiums to go up on the front end. On the bright side, it did buy a nod of approval for the ACA from the millions that got refunds. My car insurance went up after that one. I’m happy to buy the votes.

            The coverage for pre-existing conditions was long overdue, but it didn’t take a 3,000 page bill. That one cost a reduction in the lifetime benefit amount. The lawmakers didn’t anticipate a lot of things, and now we are paying for it. No one is stepping up to apologize for the negative backlash, just more blame and denial and continued claims of political victory.

            When the mandatory purchase provision kicks in, the huge protests will not have been fully anticipated. Maybe they were and the purpose of the supposed fema camps will be revealed as predicted by the conspiracy crowds.lol.

            If there are plans on the table to address concerns such as interstate competition, fines, service shortages, death panels, rising costs, gov’t intrusion, they ought to be listened to and discussed, and not dismissed soley because of the source. end speech.

        • neeceoooo

          Correct, I like the ACA.

      • RobertCHastings

        Blah, blah, blah. Etc., etc. etc.

      • lostintheswamp

        your stress is going to make you ill …. the dems won that round, so let it go …

        • angelsinca

          Thanks for the concern. Maybe I’ll just take up hating on republicans. Looks like your having fun. When I eventually realize its more important for a partisan win than doing the right thing, I’ll share some of the fun with you.

          • lostintheswamp

            yeah, i’m mostly having fun … come over to our side, we have cocktails and cookies ….

          • angelsinca

            LOL. This side has beads, bangles and caviar dreams :)

          • lostintheswamp

            i live in new orleans, so beads and bangles i don’t need….. caviar however, is very tempting ….

      • plc97477

        It’s a poorly crafted monstrosity because it was written by republicans

      • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

        I takes a lawyer to decipher a lot of the mumbo jumbo when trying to understand just what we on Medicare are entitled to. From what I am reading, the seniors, the disabled, the infirm and the poor will be the ones who will have the lowest quality of care. If you are old or disabled, you have served your usefullness, and care will likely be denied by a bunch of uneducated medical wise people on a panel and these people will be chosen by Obama. Scares hell out of me as a senior dependent on S.S. and Medicare as is most of my family.
        I talk with my doctor every visit about it, and decision has been made about accepting Medicare Patients or not.

  • empiremed

    The coverage component of the President’s costly and intrusive takeover of Americans’ health care starts next year with its exchange subsidies and Medicaid expansions—the heart of the program. These provisions will increase federal spending by $1.8 trillion over 10 years.

    The opportunity to turn back from this unpopular law and establish patient-centered, market-based health care is closing. Obamacare must be repealed, and Congress should then start the process of truly reforming Americans’ health care and coverage.

    • 4sanity4all

      The time for a different plan is past. If you, or the Republican party, had a better plan, they should have brought it up. Instead, they kept saying Nooooooooooo! and they refused to sit down and work on another plan. So by default, this is now the law of the land. Even the Supreme Court said so. Like it or not, this is the law. Stop stomping your foot, and get over your hissy fit. You lost.

      • angelsinca

        The time for a different plan is past
        You are willing to accept the flawed scheme as it stands because you don’t understand its faults and are obsessed at not allowing the right to change it. We all lose so the left can declare political victory over republicans. So short sighted. Enjoy the victory.

        • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

          We do understand its faults, better than you do. We use fact and know there are a lot of unknowns. You use threats and falsehoods. In fact, in your reply to “4sanity4all” you did not address what was said at all. Why not give a rational response to what was said. If you cannot even read and respond to a simple, reasonable conversation, what use is your posting at all. I hear business people talk about negativity in the workplace and imply they need to get rid of those that are not “team players.” I see them actively do what they say. On the other hand, with no evidence at all, you make wild, absolutely, completely, unreasonably, stupidly negative comments and expect decent people will listen and care. Why should you be tolerated? Or is it only necessary for you to be a team player when you are stuffing your pockets with the loot you stole from those of us that do the work, i.e. the true “wealth creators”?

          • angelsinca

            Russell, I appreciate the honest points of criticism and will strive to improve the presentation, and diligent in specific reply. However, you discredit yourself with untrue accusations such as ‘Stealing’, ‘Stuffing pockets’, ‘Threats’, ‘not doing the work’. Really? I understand how you are defining what you believe to be moral superiority (over the right?), but are you in a position to lecture on the virtues of being factual with these untrue comments? If you have a specific comment you want call me on, I’ll be glad to discuss, defend, concede. But I can’t address your sweeping generalizations. thanks

        • 4sanity4all

          No, I am not short sighted. It is not an issue of idealogy, it is an issue of fairness. I believe that the provisions of the Affordable Care Act will correct a lot of the flaws in our medical system, and make healthcare available to EVERYone. And it is the law of the land. You don’t even know how it will work, so why do you want to change it? Don’t be frightened by the incorrect information that you heard or read about it, look it up and get the facts. My guess is, you will benefit from it, as will most Americans.

          • angelsinca

            Sounds reasonable. And yes, I will continue to research and look for the positive side of this change.

            As much as the ACA will effect everybody, we should all know how it works by now, 3 years into it. It is deeply alarming that, when probed for details, Nancy Pelosi only adds to the confusion, while other leaders take a ‘trust us’ position and others are moving to revoke and start all over.

            This throws up a lot of red flags even for non-conspiracy types.

            Add to that the neck-throbbing, eye-popping ACA zealots breathing fire on reasonable doubts, and people tend to wihdraw. We like to be conviced not ordered, and pursuaded not mowed over with unnecessary ridicule.

            Just give us healthcare that covers everyone without also trying to re-engineer my values and beliefs, please.

            It seems the individual is slowly being replaced by the collective here. The herd pushes forward, down the bank and into the water with the crocs. You say the water is all clear. I say it’s still too muddy to see anything. You cross the river first. I’ll stay and graze for awhile. Or, just cross somewhere else.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Vernon-Sukumu/100000963359102 Vernon Sukumu

      When did the MARKET get here, did it just show up since Obamacare, if was here WHY don’t everyone have health insc.

    • RNPRN

      What the hell is “patient centered, market based health care”. I have been a nurse for 40 years, that is what we have now. Ryan is a mouth for insurance companies, that is where he gets a lot of his funding. Insurance companies, capitalist whores who profit off the sick.

      • charleo1

        I’m glad to hear professionals like yourself, speaking up! Thanks!

      • empiremed

        Thank you for your service, but you are incredibly naive.

    • charleo1

      If ACA was a truly a takeover of healthcare, and the insurance cartel, and big
      pharma were forced to stop their bloodsucking of the American public, we’d all
      be better off. Unfortunately, it’s not a takeover. Just imposing a few rules of the
      road. Like not refusing coverage because of pre-existing conditions, and the
      requirement that 85% of premiums collected must go to patient care. BTW. Over
      1.2 billion was returned to policy holders last year.

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      I am glad that at least you were honest enough to use a name that tells us who you really represent. None of your figures are based on fact. You could be right, but your information is based on your “opinion.” NOW, some real truth. Like all capitalists, you just want things to stay the same. Keep the cash rolling in. Someone suffers or dies, tough break. Keep the money flowing into my pocket or someone else gets hurt. In other words, morality, ethics, etc. do not matter. You just want to keep the game in your favor like it always has been. Of course, if you have employees, you will “sacrifice” a few in order to scare the rest into supporting your evil. Go on, give me Hell for it.

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      And I can’t resist asking. I have often heard from your ilk that “Congress should then start the process of truly reforming . . . .” What is the plan? Admit it, there is no plan. I say, w
      e should chuck the insurance companies altogether and go to single payer. THAT would be reform. I said what I think we should do to reform. WHAT DO YOU THINK?

  • dreamweaver52

    ryan shwould be hung till dead, i’m tired of busting my ass and barely getting by while guys
    like trump rape and pilage the system they pay virtually nothing compared to what we the middle class put in. its great republicans are pulling this crap now, because they’re sure to lose the next election also, and most will be thrown out of congress.

    • angelsinca

      Are you a freaking moron?. That little statement will get you 15-20 in Leavanworth idiot. You may want to delete that bit of genius. Death threats to congressmen aren’t covered under the 1st. Since you hate all things republican, I ought to just let your lameness burn. But, we actually do care and aren’t the monsters you portray us.

      • dreamweaver52

        WHO ASKED YOU MORON I DIDN’T THREATEN A SOUL, DID YOU HEAR ME SAY I PERSONALLY WAS GOING TO HARM THIS IDIOT. NO, H’M SURE THE LORD UP ABOVE WILL HAVE HIS WAY WITH THE WHOLE GREEDY BUNCH OF THEM ALL, AND  TO ANSWER YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT MONSTERS THATS WHAT YOUR WHOLE TEA BAGGING FRIENDS ARE. ALL THE GOP CARE ABOUT IS PROTECTING THE RICH. WHAT ARE THE RICH DOING FOR ANYBODY EXCEPT WORRYING ABOUT MAKING MORE MONEY AND HOARDING WHAT THEY HAVE.WAKE UP IDIOT THINK B4 YOU SHOOT YOUR SARAH PALIN MOUTH OFF. JUST REMEMBER THEY HAVEN’T YET ABOLISHED FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

        • angelsinca

          Dear capslock, If you are going to edit out the threat, then deny it, and follow up with a weird rampage, you are on your own. The warning was meant to help but you know better.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Again, you lied about the edit. Nothing new there. Dreamweaver is right to shout, as you cannot (rather WILL NOT) hear. That “warning” was meant to make points on the scorecard of the little sick game you play.

          • angelsinca

            No, I didn’t lie, Russell. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. The capitalized indignation by dreamweaver doesn’t hide the terroristic warning. I’d rather be caught uninformed than to assume people like yourselves aren’t capable of grevious harm.

      • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

        Actually, you just demonstrated you are a monster. You couldn’t care less about him. You just want to single out someone that you can vent on. No ones going to “Leavanworth” you idiot. Your ilk threatens the President on a regular basis with very real harm without any fear or retribution. That was strictly a rhetorical remark. I understand why someone would make that remark. A lot of us are tired of this “wealth redistribution” where we work ourselves to death and the fat cats “leverage” our earnings into their own pocket. All the while avoiding paying a fair share of taxes to support our government. The rich are NOT earning their money. They just use an unjust, warped system to steal what we have made.

        • angelsinca

          nice twist Russell. Thank you for the clarification, liberal style. You are right, ‘I don’t care’. No one cares except the left. Please just settle for what you don’t understand. No complaints.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            I guess then, you must admit that the MAJORITY cares. YOU and your filth LOST. Get with the program or move to Costa Rica with your hero Rush. Or jump off whatever high place you will, while holding hands with Ted Nugent.

          • angelsinca

            I juat to had to reply to this one Russy. Not only did I spill my cofee from laughing AT you, I don’t listen to Limbaugh. And, Ted is a little too far ‘out there’ for my taste. Eventually, when you become truthful with yourself, you may understand that when you make contrived statements like this and judge people as liars, you don’t look so good. get well soon

      • irishtap

        Thanks angelsinca, Of course, not all Republicans are of the brand that is doing such terrible corporate bidding. It’s somewhat telling how I’ve found my very best statistics for argument against the GOP, from republicans, that cannot stomach what has happened to the once proud party. I’ll bet many out here didn’t realize David Cay Johnston is a registered Republican. I’ve heard him walk back a few ‘right wing’ rants on public radio. The man is positively terrific. Also, if any of you haven’t read the meme from Mike Lofgren, entitled : “Goodbye to All That”, Reflections of a GOP Operative Who Left the Cult, I suggest you get to it. Mr. Lofgren spent 28 yrs in D.C., dedicating himself to the party he felt best exemplified his political beliefs, until he no longer recognized it. These two gentlemen should be read widely, from democrats, republicans and independents alike for their impeccable credentials and ‘outrageous’ preference for facts over bald face lies.

        • angelsinca

          Thanks irish. .

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        @angelsinca, how you or any one can see a threat in what dreamweaver52 posted is beyond me. He is angry with the Republicans like a good many of us are and letting it be know. He is right that there should be terrm limits for members of Congress just like there is for the President and he is also right that the forefathers of this country never meant for serving in Congress to be a Career that so many have made it. Also like many people you can critize other people and parties but when comes to the Party of No you accuse people of threats when some one post how much they dislike or hate the party.Also he hasn’t posted anything that will send him to prison.

        • angelsinca

          I already explained what I saw. It was there, now it’s gone. I can’t prove it. Look at my posts-I might make some bad assumptions, but i don’t lie with intent.

          What the forefathers had intended seems to be mostly subjective, so I try to avoid it. If the people want the same rep, the wish of the people should be observed, within the boundaries of law. IMHO.

          I’m no champion of truth, justice and the ‘mercan way, but I take exception to bullying and intimidation. I try to leave the politicking to the politicians, but fail with regular success.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            LIE from a proven LIAR. It is still there. I just read it. You do not even check back to find support for your next lie.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Angel Inc. – Amazingly, you did tell one bit of truth. “I’m no champion of truth, justice and the ‘mercan way, . . .” is spot on. You avoid truth, you despise justice, and true “merican way” just sends you into spasms. As far bullying and intimidation are concerned, your side has always set the pace. That is the only reason I bother with you now. It is not because I expect a kind, decent, well-reasoned response. You have lied so much, so unsuccessfully I may add, that now you must use the counter-intuitive argument that you are being threatened. So, once again, you can make a case for your own sainthood. Unfortunately, decent people on both sides of the issue know you’re full of malarkey. Ugly like yours runs deep. You have tried to cover it up like a cat covers up s**t, but no one with any sense is buying it.

    • RobertCHastings

      What are you on while you are weaving your dreams? That sounds vaguely like a threat, something the monitors seriously frown upon. You may be among friends here, but Big Brother really is watching.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/UHE4MJP5FHMFIEAOGEQHETUGDQ Rvn_sgt6768

    Hmmmm, same plan they have used on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. Keep chipping away at them until you can convince everyone they do not work regardless of how long it takes.

    • angelsinca

      Finally, someone that gets it. The four new laws they added last month to the ACA at 700 pages is a sampling of how messed up the ACA scheme is. It’s over 3,000 pages now and so convoluted, even those that are supposed to know (like those that wrote the GD POS) can’t even say what’s in it. It is NOT free healthcare for everybody, unless you live in poverty or are a congressman or bought a waiver. Corruption at its most horrible brought to you by the same ones that can’t even manage medicare.

      • RobertCHastings

        Sounds like someone who supports the “Public Option!” Go for it! Canada sure enjoys it, and most of Europe, Japan, and whereever else. All those countries have cheaper healthcare costs and longer lives than we do. As Dr. Doolittle said, “By George, I believe she’s got it!”

        • angelsinca

          It wasn’t Dr Dolittle. It was Rex Harrison’s Prof. Henry Higgins in My Fair Lady. Public option? Wrong. Cheap isn’t the goal.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

            Same person played both parts, Rex Harrison.

          • angelsinca

            and the quote was not Dolittle

      • lostintheswamp

        no one ever said it’s free … 3,000 pages is not a lot to read and they have staffers to do all their reading … and medicare is much more cost effective than regular insurance … that’s a fact that you can research ….so, take a breath and don’t go getting high blood pressure over this …

        • angelsinca

          You don’t have to go far to see your dem friends that don’t agree about free healthcare, esp. the under-26′s. It isnt’ all about the cost.

      • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

        Angel Inc. – You do not read very well at all, do you. You only see what you want to see.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gerard-Heck/690768795 Gerard Heck

    Millions of Americans have already benefited from the ACA…more will eventually see the good things that are in the ACA for everyone. Paul Ryan is beating his dead horse again…I anxiously await the full implementation of the ACA. Raw Capitalism is the only thing that will keep all Americans from the healthcare that is needed, it (Capitalism) thrives on money only and ignores humanity. Paul Ryan, chicken lips, is the face of Raw Capitalism (non-regulated economic system).

  • whodatbob

    So did you think the repubiocans were going to roll over and plad dead on this one? this will keep comming up until it is repealed or there are no republicans in office.

    • angelsinca

      There are only so many voting democrats that vote once. And there are more repubs and independents that would rather go right than left. Your only hope to oust all the republicans is to win over those voters. Not going to happen while the left continues to pound the right with the same old ‘republicans are stupid’ and ‘teabaggers are worse’ rhetoric.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nancy.snead.96 Nancy Snead

    the dumb nuts keep talking wasteing there breath when they say 1 word they all sound just like the idiots they r they just dont seem to understand when there is a law its a law they can jerk themself but all that is no good we all the people who have brains that work know u all r liers evil wicked racist and u all are trying ur best to destroy our country i dont believe u care about the usa at all go find u a place of ur own we dont want u here @all

  • empiremed

    The fight over Obamacare, so far held at the 30,000-foot level, is about to hit home. The latest impact hot off the grill: prices of burgers and hot dogs at Five Guys, the national chain that started in Washington, are going to rise to cover the president’s mandated insurance coverage.

    “Any added costs are going to have to be passed on,” said Mike Ruffer, a Five Guys franchise holder with eight of the popular restaurants in the Raleigh-Durham, N.C. area. He will need all the profits from at least one of his eight outlets just to cover his estimated added $60,000-a year in new Obamacare costs.

    What’s more, he’s iced plans to build another three restaurants until after the administration explains the exact rules and penalties employers will face. The law’s plan to have those available March 1 has been pushed back to October.

    “I’m kind of in a holding pattern,” said Ruffer, a former Marriott executive who added that many franchise owners are in a similar situation.

    Ruffer was the star witness at a Monday Heritage Foundation seminar on the impact Obamacare will have on small businesses. He is typical of many: Because he has enough full time employees to activate the law, he faces either coughing up the money to provide health insurance or paying a fine of up to $3,000 per worker.

    Ruffer initially thought he would escape the law because he created each restaurant as its own company. But the law doesn’t recognize that distinction, so now he’s trying to determine if he can fire enough workers, or cut enough hours, to slide out of the grasp of Obamacare.

    He said that “scorched earth plan,” however, would hurt his restaurants, so Ruffer is likely to either pay the fine or buy insurance. But spreading the costs over his basic menu of fries, drinks, burgers and hot dogs, could scare off customers, he worries. He said that the recent spike in gas prices cut into his profits since fewer people were stopping at his restaurants.

    And the health care law isn’t only going to hit Ruffer. He’s quizzed his workers to ask if they understand that they will be fined if they don’t get health insurance. Just one of 20 workers were aware of the $95 tax penalty that rises to $695 by 2016.

    • 4sanity4all

      So, are you saying that the Five Guys owner is right? I think most Americans are willing to pay a little more per burger so that the people who prepare their food can have health care. A guy who owns a pizza chain famously said that he would have to charge 14 cents more per pizza because of the ACA. Wow, does he think Americans are too cheap to pay 14 cents more for a pizza? Most of us have worked these low level jobs, and we would be willing to spend a little more for a burger, so the people working these jobs can have the dignity of health care. That is why most people voted for Obama, and we are willing to put our money where our mouth is. Why is it so hard for so many job providers to provide GOOD jobs? Don’t they realise how much loyalty their workers would feel for them if they received health care benefits?

      • angelsinca

        quote: Why is it so hard for so many job providers to provide GOOD jobs..

        They have cited mismatching skill sets, uncertainty of Obama administration policy, waning demand for higher priced product, increased regulation, added mandates, and higher taxes.

    • charleo1

      Yes, we’ve heard from these food franchise guys. “Papa John,” was having a conniption
      over the .14 cents, ObamaCare was going to add to the cost of his pies. My question for
      these selfish bastards is, who do they think is paying for their employees healthcare now?
      The Healthcare Fairy? There has been a lot of talk about how it’s time the free ride some
      people in this Country have been getting at the expense of the taxpayers, is over. Well,
      what? They didn’t think we were talking about them?

      • angelsinca

        “selfish bastards’…right.. you haven’t run a business have you? Let’s try it your way. We can raise the min wage, tax the shit out of the evil corporations and force add’l mandates on them. Hope you enjoy the $25 pizza. .

        • charleo1

          Yep. Did I say selfish bastards? I meant to say, lying, selfish bastards.
          Who, dear lady, do you suppose is paying the bills for their minimum
          wage, 30 hours per week employees, as they get sick, pregnant, or
          injured. Who’s paying? If you have insurance, or pay taxes, you are.
          As far as taxing corporations. They should pay the bills their policies
          are creating, in the communities where they do business. Period.
          Have you seen corporate profits, lately?

          • angelsinca

            Cute. Who TF is ‘dear lady’? The recent reduction if full time positions reflects the mandates by this admin, not policy. If you demonize all of business to the point of them declaring f-ck it, where will the jobs appear?

          • charleo1

            Well, we wouldn’t want to hurt the feelings of the job creators,
            would we? They all might just up, and jump in the bed with the
            Communists. When people have a gun to their head, they don’t
            worry about healthcare. So we Americans need to face the facts,
            we can’t afford healthcare. Our jobs won’t cover the cost of living.
            And, if we open our mouths about it, they’ll take even the shitty
            jobs to China. Gotta love that Right Wing chutzpah!

          • angelsinca

            you go charlieo1.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

            Dear Lady, check out the guy who runs Costco, one of the most successful businesses in this country. See what he pays his employees, many with him for 20+ years. Most guys complaining suck at running a business.

          • angelsinca

            I thought you weren’t going to waste another minute on angelsinca? lol. Your mysogyny is showing Al. Cosco’s Jim Sinengal is a shining example on how not to be a Walton brat.

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

          They are good and unlike you I would be willing to pay $25 for a pizza if I knew that the person doing the work was getting health insurance. Also all Papa John’s has to do is stop giving away a million or so pizzas and there would be no need to raise the price of the pizza 14 cents.

          • angelsinca

            I try not to tell people how to run their business. Papa John gets criticized for being stingy, het gets criticized for being generous. After subsidizing the healthcare of the uninsured for 40 years, I don’t feel compelled to sacrifice even more for a plan I don’t agree with.

    • http://www.facebook.com/baxter.braum Baxter Braum

      Why doesn’t this cheap bastard already cover his employees with health insurance? It is a known fact that HEALTHY employees are PRODUCTIVE employees! All this moron needs to do is up the price of one of his lousy hot dogs or crappy hamburgers by a nickle, maybe a dime to cover his employees the way they should already be covered anyway.

      There used to be a time, not too long ago, where we actually cared about each other, not strictly about ourselves.

      This is EXACTLY why I won’t buy Papa John’s pizza any more!!! He can giveaway 2, yes 2 million pizzas during the football playoffs but he can’t charge his customers about 15 cents more per pie to cover his employees’ healthcare? Let’s see 2 million pizzas times, say $10.00 each for easy math, = $20 million dollars!!! There’s health insurance for a couple years, at least!

      And, as far as people being required to get health insurance, at an affordable rate no less, or be fined up to $695 by 2016 – GOOD! I’m tired of paying taxes that I have worked my ASS off for going to people who don’t have insurance just because they are young and don’t think anything will happen to them, UNTIL IT DOES! And then MY money, and YOUR money, and HER money goes to pay for their care. All because they would rather spend that money on booze or cigarettes or ski trips, whatever. Personally, I think they should double the fine every year until they finally buy into a health care plan. Of course this could have all been avoided if we had single payer healthcare provided THROUGH the Government, not BY, the Government as The Repubs like to phrase it.

      Time to go – I hear another self-righteous RepubliCANT talking trash about the Government being so big, when, by the way, it has actually shrunk during Obama’s tenure! The yearly deficit has shrunk each of the past 4 years as well. The ballooning of the deficit is due, in great part, to the TARP funds that “W” passed a couple months before leaving office and another round of TARP funds as he walked out of the Oval Office. That, plus the 2 unpaid for wars that he waged!

      • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

        Not that anybody cares, but I will not buy another Papa John’s pie as long as I live. In the city that he lives the football stadium is named after Papa John. It is disgusting what many Universities have to do to get funds for large projects in this economy. If Louisville (and Lexington) were to “secede” from the uneducated right-wing religious bigots that make up the bulk of their population, Kentucky would be THE poorest state in the Union, by far. As it is, the statement “Thank God for Mississippi” is heard too often even now.

      • plc97477

        I also will find another pizza place for my pizzas. I am sure I can find one that is even better than papa johns.

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      What should happen is that fat, slap happy Americans should grow a pair. Yeah those too, but I mean a pair of frontal lobes. Stop buying from the offenders, support those that at least try to treat their employees decently. THAT is the way business is supposed to work. Papa John will go down in flames . . . someone else will come in and do the job!

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      Once again, “empiremed” you report supposition as fact. You do not have any evidence anything you claimed will be true. Just what you want to be true. Maybe, we should treat our business people like business people treat their “negative” employees. Send them packing . . . for good. And your last paragraph is a total, typical right-wing lie. The law is based on the idea that, if you can’t pay, the government will subsidize the insurance. Yeah, I am sure it will not be perfect, but remember when you bring that up, that every bit of what you have said is a lie. I will take being 95% right, while you are 100% wrong.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

      So when the price of potatoes and beef go up Mr. Ruffer stops opening new stores? I’ll tell you the truth, it’s not the ACA that threatens his business, it’s his management style. He wants to pay his employees as little as possible and then blame everyone else when his business suffers. When I hear about places like 5 guys and Papa John I make sure I never knock on their doors again.

  • CPAinNewYork

    I hope the Republicans’ 2016 presidential campaign is identical to last year’s. That way, they’ll lose even more decisively, giving the Democrats more Congressional seats and greater leverage.

    • angelsinca

      How defective can you be to want the opposion to lose more than you care about your own representives doing the right thing? This myopic abandon only causes everyone to lose. But don’t blame yourself, You are only mirroring the examples of your leadership.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/XPL7LVHHKZXB3BKEJZNTKRMBYY Susan

        We want the opposition to lose because they consistently refuse to do the right thing and want to shove the wrong thing down our throats. They lost the election. Why is that so hard to understand? Why do they persist in their delusional behavior when the country has rejected them?

        • CPAinNewYork

          Thanks. i’m glad the someone understands what I wrote. Angelsinca strikes me as a bit slow on the uptake.

          • angelsinca

            quote: I hope the Republicans’ 2016 presidential campaign is identical to last year’s. That way, they’ll lose even more decisively, giving the Democrats more Congressional seats and greater leverage.

            sorry, I read more into your ‘we shall overcome’ statement than you revealed. my bad, I assumed you meant to crush the republicans in the next election because they are headed in the wrong direction and that the only right way is offered by democrats. I’ll take smaller steps next time.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            You should. You started mouthing right wing propaganda about future events that you can have no knowledge of. Seriously, please point to one constructive comment you have made in this thread?

        • angelsinca

          The ACA is a perfect example of having the wrong thing rammed down our throats. We disagree on its appropriateness, for sure. I say we can do better. You say republicans must eat crow….nice. So, winning a presidential election gives you the privilege to unilaterally reject all republican offerings? Did i get that right? Since i am barely capable of keeping up with the advanced logic and reasoning, please explain what I do not understand. thanks

          • http://www.facebook.com/erohl1937 Eleanor Rohl

            At the present I am neither Democrat nor Republican. Years ago, both parties were parties to be proud of, to be proud and say you were one or the other. Although I voted Democrat all my life until several years ago, because I became disillusioned with their actions. I try to listen to both sides and decide which comes closest to my beliefs/thoughts. Have lived with Prez, since FDR, so have seen good and bad in both. I have never seen such class warfare, racism, hatred, devisiness, as in these late years. We used to be able to come together for the good of the nation and her people. Today, it is just whoever can line their pockets the most, both the left and right. I just wonder what our coming generations will have left, they sure won’t be able to enjoy the wonderful USA that I did growing up. God help and bless America. We need God more now than ever before.

          • angelsinca

            Well said Eleanor. We had every hope for the young senator from Chicago four years ago. I’m not sure if he became corrupted by the power of the presidency or if he was always on the edge of being just another conniving, untrustworthy, scaly politician.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            BS of the purest sort. If you were any good at propaganda you would indeed be dangerous. As it is, you are not. But you do have gall. I will grant you that. Why don’t you both admit you are racist bigots that are willing to do the bidding of the most evil men in this country. All without a second thought.

          • angelsinca

            You do know that whenever the race card is used without cause, you are automatically issued a stupid card, right?

      • hotflashweave

        Judging by the GOP’s behavior since the 2008 election, pretty defective–Their opposition to the Prez has gone a long way to place them in awkward positions on many issues, and on the opposite side of what they supported under the previous administration. I think most folks know where the myopic abandon resides, it may have cost them the last election, and while they scramble to make themselves more palatable to voters,
        all that remains is their desire to further enrich the “Profit Makers” and repeal Obamacare, without presenting an alternative. A fine set of “Principles” to go forward on, unlikely to guarantee success at the polls, or in governance.

        • angelsinca

          You just illustrated ‘myopic abandon’ with the summary dismissal of republicans. It appears the source of your discontent of all things republican is the notion that they oppose Obama on everything, which is deeply rooted in the comment of one senator to make Obama a one term president. Correct? And, you feel republicans now only want to make the rich richer and repeal O-care in its entirety. True? Thanks, I wasn’t sure where all 2 of the millions of republicans stood.

          • hotflashweave

            The source of my discontent with Republican LEADERSHIP has been a forty year process, and has accelerated since 2001- I do continually look for sparks of enlightenment because of my belief in
            the two-party system. I do not see it in the current crop of noise-makers, but am prepared to be surprised. And delighted!

          • angelsinca

            I agree. thx for the distinction.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            BS, but you are starting to lose in Angel Inc. What about hotflashweave’s comments was not plain. Your response makes me wonder about your sanity. In fact, your mob wants the rich to get richer and to repeal Obamacare. You not only are a factual liar, but a moral liar as well. Where is your self-respect.

          • angelsinca

            I don’t belong to a mob. Please describe with clarity and example 1) one moral lie and 2) one factual lie. It’s ok to ask and discuss instead of hack and attack. The former usually results in better communication.

          • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

            Oh, why do you harass people so much? I recall there was this nit-wit named “angelsinca” that complained bitterly and threateningly about that. OOOPS, my bad.

          • angelsinca

            Please do describe the harrassment and ‘threatening’ complaint.

      • CPAinNewYork

        Angel baby:

        If anyone is “defective,” it’s you. Where in my posting did I say that my representatives should not do the right thing?

        Your preachy little posting about “myopic abandon” causes me to think that you’re not the brightest bulb on the circuit.

        • angelsinca

          Playbook intellectual uperiority works for the newbs. You are willing to accept the ACA as-is even though its acceptance is based on political alignment. Is this right? And then, you are willing to allow the detrimental effects to slide that may be beneficial because it may be a republican offering. Is this about right? If I’m mistaken, surely you will correct or simply say how stupid I am. thx

          • CPAinNewYork

            Angel baby:

            Just about everything that goes through a legislature is political. That’s how democracy works.

            Much legislation must be fine tuned after it’s passed, but that doesn’t mean that it’s inherently good or bad. Sometimes, the need for fine tuning becomes evident when rules and regulations are drafted to implement the legislation. All too often, legislators aren’t good at details.

            As far as you’re being stupid is concerned: Those are your words. if the shoe fits, wear it. My impression of you is that you’re naive and given to preaching.

          • angelsinca

            I understand how political wrangling works, and appreciate your input on the process, CPAinNewYork. The political posturing for this particular bill though has been (and still is) most unpleasant and lacking in trustworthiness, clarity and integrity, as I see it. Not pointing fingers, just observing. Playing a fair game is more important than the win (to me).

            Appreciate the attempt at fatherly advice and character input. But, the judgment, based on a few paragraphs, was expected since it reflects the condescending tone projected by your writing. Again, this is just another observation and not intended to hurt.

            It’s true I remain naive of the reasoning and logic of the liberal mind. I do NOT mean that in a bad way, just clarifying for myself the obvious communication barriers, and recognizing how difficult it is to NOT get lured into a battle of partisan one-upmanship because of the differences.

            I don’t know what your intent was with ‘angel baby’. It appears affectionate and kind of creepy since, if you saw me, you might just run away screaming in horror. Even the dog barks :>)

            I don’t feel stupid despite your words that I am a bit slow on the uptake. I’m comfortable with my pace and don’t expect anyone else to feel the same about it. It takes a lot more than twigs and pebbles to hurt an aging white male grandfather, understanding you likely don’t carry much hurtful intent. No harm intended from this end either. cheers.

      • http://www.facebook.com/dawn.h.jenkins Dawn Hodges Jenkins

        Brilliantly stated!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1239466570 Maria Abrahms

    The Affordable Care Act is bad and deceiving in many ways–but it’s better than following the road we were on. If Paul Ryan actually had a realistic plan to replace Obamacare with something that everyone knows works, like, say, Single Payer Universal Healthcare, then I would understand repealing ACA. Instead, Ryan and the ignorant Tea Baggers are truly cold blooded in their attitudes towards everyday Americans, in fact I think worse: I think those people *want* Americans to die. Starve, kill yourself or others, or just die of no healthcare. They truly believe there are too many Americans and the country will be better off without a lot of them (millions). That’s the only way I can understand their policies.

    • angelsinca

      Obamacare’s death panels are for worse than any fantasy and BS you’ve concocted about republicans. Get informed please before parroting downright lies.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/HFYZP2APYPP7H6PWS2ZDQRWFEQ Hillbilly

        Sarah Palin there no death panels. Since you are following her way of thinking show where there is anything that amounts to death panels in the Affordable Medical Act,Tthe death panels are going on now when people that need medical treatment can’t get what they need to stay alive, yes you can go to an Emergency room for emergency serve but you can’t keep on going if you have cancer and need treatments, and other medical problems that kill you in the short or long run without treatments. I do not remember the exact number but there was a study done by several different organizations that said that at 5,000 or more people die every year because they don’t have health insurance and can’t afford to have it. So your death panels are active today and will stay active if all people do not have some form of health insurance.

        • angelsinca

          If I see Palin, I’ll pass your love note along to her. If you want discussion you might get better results without the mocking. If you just want an audience, I didn’t make it past the opening insult. Too bad, looks like you wrote a lot.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

        Oh Angel….you were at least being somewhat rational….but no longer…Death panels? really. Now we all know you really don’t have CLUE. Nothing you say from this point on is worth a minute of anyone’s attention.

        • angelsinca

          Thank you for the comment. I was at one time sadly misinformed on the existence of death panels that would supposedly make life and death decisions for patients. After shaking away that myth, I have since seen repeated, open wishes by liberals that all republicans/conservatives just go off somewhere and die. And, since a majority of the very aged are republicans, and the ACA is fully embraced by the repulican-hating left, it was too easy to mischaracterize those inate desires as being intentional of the ACA. my bad.

    • Countrybumpkin

      That doesn’t rime with their other policies of shutting down abortion clinics and de-legislating birth control. But then NOTHING these people SAY OR DO makes any COMMON SENSE whatsoever.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/XPL7LVHHKZXB3BKEJZNTKRMBYY Susan

      You are quite right. Why else do you think they started the wars in Iraq and Afganistan that were fought by minorities and the working class?

    • plc97477

      Maybe they are hoping only democratic voters will die off. Then they might have a chance of winning elections again.

  • IKE SEMAYA

    The Nazi mentality of Karl Rove and the Tea Party just cointinues on. They say “TO HELL WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES WHO MADE A MISTAKE IN RE-ELECTING OBAMA” We will continue this till the people come to their senses and understand that we the REPUBLICANS and TEA PARTY are the only people to run this country.
    Continue to tell the lie, make it bigger and bigger each time and the people will get to believe that we are the salvation of this country. JUST LIKE HITLER DID TO GERMANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Countrybumpkin

      We are not quite at the state of suffering the German people were when Hitler was able to gain power, but we are getting there.

  • hotflashweave

    For anyone confused about the GOP’s seeming capitulation to certain provisions in the ACA, it will be helpful to start with an understanding that the GOP has no interest in extending healthcare to a broader base, and have staked their political futures to this policy being repealed. They have tried at least 33 times to legislate it out of existence, inserted the de-funding of it into many bills, and lost a presidential election in part because of their candidate’s promise to repeal “On day one”. This latest ploy is to further weaken the funding for it, and a big gift to their GOP governors, who are vowing not to implement in their own states, yet want the political advantage of seeming to support the most popular provisions without including the mandate. There has been no sudden change of heart, no coming to see the light , no epiphany, just a continuation of opposition to achieve, by back-door means, what they could not do by legislation or through a supreme court challenge. Do not be complacent, this is the holy grail of Republican ambition, something they have promised their big-buck donors, and along with tax cuts for the very rich, the only things they stand for. And for everyone who posts their outrage on liberal web-sites, there are ten of them spreading their opposition on conservative sites, who are less scrupulous with their facts.

    • angelsinca

      Wrong. It is not the poltical springboard of republican ambitions you want it to be. Those generic political talking points apply to every single anti-republican rant voiced by the left.

      The governors are fighting the ACA because their states can’t afford the mandated provisions and the people that understand it don’t want the POS as it is. Those that don’t understand it, and deny its negative impacts, use the same rhetoric to block any reform. We have a nice big fat version of medicare, but much worse. You MUST participate or pay the fines.

      The ACA was challenged in the SC for clarification on the penalty for non-compliance being a tax, since the Dem crafters couldn’t be honest about the promise for no add’l tax. The challengers were trying to repeal the mandate, not the entire ACA. They would have been happy to clean the slate for a better plan, but every attempt to do so has been blocked by democrats. thanks for nothing.

      We could be working to correct and improve the flawed scheme instead of using the issue to further beat up on republicans. You will probably win the debate and we will ALL end up being stuck with the albatross as is, with all its flaws. Thanks

      • hotflashweave

        Only two questions–have the GOP given you any reason to believe that they are in any way committed to affordable healthcare for everyone?? Are you??

        • angelsinca

          Which of the one questions do want me to answer? I have the benefit of having not sided entirely with any party. So, I am not compelled to suspect everything by republicans as being contentious, sinister and flawed. The double question marks are too much like an interrogation. Try dimming the lights. thanks

          • hotflashweave

            But, you see, I believe that is the crux of the matter, and it’s the end of the debate.. It’s impossible to work on a solution if you don’t believe there is a problem. No?

          • angelsinca

            There’s a problem with healthcare, we don’t agree on what it is. The GOP hasn’t given me any reason to believe they aren’t committed to providing healthcare for everybody. The ACA with its uncertainty, preferential exemptions and forced acceptance has given me at least 3 reasons to believe its crafters and supporters aren’t serious about providing affordable healthcare for everyone.

        • hotflashweave

          But, you see, I believe that is the crux of the matter, and it’s the end of the debate.. It’s impossible to work on a solution if you don’t believe there is a problem. No?

      • lostintheswamp

        i think you are a pretend troll ….funny …

        • angelsinca

          I don’t tow your lets-hate-republicans-and blame-them-for-everything BS, so I am a troll. Do you know what a library card is?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000428384794 Al Hubbard

            I blame the destruction of this country on the GOP, totally. And yes I do have a library card, going on 60 years now. You do realize Angel that nothing whatsoever would be happening on healthcare if the GOP were in charge. Nothing. The ACA might not be perfect, it has far too many compromises forced on it by the GOP, but it is an attempt to address a serious problem. As one wise man said, don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

          • angelsinca

            Al, the GOP says the same thing about Obama and Liberals. Maybe one day everyone will get along. Doubt it. So you are saying the ACA is flawed because of the ‘compromises forced on it by the GOP’? LOL. It is great that the issues in healthcare have been addresses. But those issues could have targeted and fixed independent of a complete overhaul. And then the ACA still doesn’t go far enough to reform lawsuits.

  • ahumada

    I don’t understand republicans. I think they care only for the wealthy, who use them as servants, but not as friends. Ryan is a self centered person wanting to be in the lights, as well as Rubio, Cruz, Palin, and others that are slaves of the money they receive to be elected representing people that see politics as a toy because they don’t need obamacare, they have the money to pay whatever they need, but the rest of the population don’t!! Can republicans uderstand this!

    • angelsinca

      Yes, Republicans understand this. They aren’t the imbeciles portrayed by the angry left, despite the malfeasance of its leadership. Hopefully you will give the same honest scrutiny toward democrat leadership. They need just as much monitoring as their counterparts.

      • lostintheswamp

        are you sarah palin?

        • angelsinca

          WTF is this What’s My Line? Wrong. Next guess. lol

  • RNPRN

    I live in Ryan’s district. He has done nothing for the state of Wisconsin in congress. I have been a nurse for 40 years, recently retired. We all pay for the health care of the uninsured. In higher health care costs or premiums. So many jobs no longer provide health care or it is so expensive, people can’t afford it. I also worked for an insurance company and saw how they rescinded policies when people got sick. Or jacked up premiums to $1700 a month, who can afford that. I say TAKE AWAY CONGRESS’ BENEFITS. NO MORE TAXPAYER FUNDED HEALTH CARE, PENSIONS, PAID FOR 126 DAYS A YEAR TO DO NOTHING. PAID HOURLY FOR THEIR WORK, NO MORE FUNDED FLIGHTS HOME EVERYWEEKEND. Ryan has stayed in office due to outside money by the Koch brothers, hedoes their bidding and interests outside of Wisconsin.

    • angelsinca

      Agree that, big time RNPRN.

  • angelsinca

    A better plan would be welcomed. Healthcare for everyone would be good, but this ACA is deeply flawed and needs repair. Since it was rushed thru during the super majority, it never was as good as it could have been. Pelosi & Co never did come clean on its little nuances that just keep costing more whenever another phase is implemented. Took the supremes to call them on the tax and O’s promises of being able to keep existing plans turns out to be false. If we can do better, we should.

    • hotflashweave

      A worthwhile use of surplus tax-payer funded time, and suited to their newfound desire for deficit control, the GOP house should take on the project to try to find a better way to provide coverage, This was the proposal that came first with the President, and he reiterated when certain governors met him with their objections. In our state, a grant that was given to fund research into how these exchanges were to be set up, was spent instead to fund a study on why our state , 48 or so on the list of insured citizens, would not participate. The House should be glad for such an important project, and it will have the side benefit of keeping them away from uteruses, bars , and inventing new nick-names for the President!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/russell.byrd.14 Russell Byrd

      Yes, and that perfect un-flawed plan is what? Repubs have had four years to at least show a plan that is not bad comedy. They haven’t, in fact, they haven’t even tried. THEY, and you as well, talk about a better plan. Once again, where and what is it?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Stoll/100000621443352 Michael Stoll

    This Bill should be under attack . It will bw the biggest TAX INCREASE LAW in American History . It is also the biggest Socialist Wealth Redistribution in this Country’s history . It is a TAX Law that is designed to take money from producers and the Companies / Corporations that employ them and repurpose those funds to give Dem voters on entitlements and ILLEGAL ALIENS . If you rob Peter to pay Paul , Pauls will always vote Democrat . While the goal of Universal Coverage might be noble the way the Dems wrote the bill isnt about that goal . It is about gaining their supporters through the use of other peoples money . I say that because this Tax Law will not result in Universal coverage but rather the same number of people will not have coverage . The difference this time is that people who work and pay Taxes will lose their coverage and not be able to afford to buy their own at the estimated 20 K cost ( and that cost is climbing ) . Companies have no incentive to cover their employees when this Tax Law gave them an out that is less costly . The avg cost of an Ins Policy will be 20 K and the Max opt out TAX PENALTY is 3 K …What do you think these Companies will do to stay cost competitive in the Market Place ? Now before all you Liberals go full Elizabeth Warren Retard just remember it was your Dems that set up that structure . So when you try to use your Class warfare rhetoric to appeal to the lowest information voting groups just remember …It isnt Corporate greed that will cause these Companies to drop Ins Plans for employee’s it was a Stupid Tax Law written By Stupid Dems who dont understand that Companies are in business to make money , not lose it . So Individuals wont be able to afford 20 k on their own and they will get the honor of paying a Tax Penalty while enjoying NO Coverage . So their Money will be redistributed so that Dem Entitlement voter will get coverage while they have none . That my friends os Wealth Redistribution . Now what they should’ve done to fund this is institute a 1 % Nationwide Sales Tax . This type of thing would’ve been easily absorbed by all and in this way EVERYBODY would pay their Fair Share …Even poor people buy stuff and of course the wealthy because they buy more would pay the greatest burden ..That is a fair and Balanced plan . What Obama is doing is getting Tax Paying producers to foot the bill for his voting block ..Not fair and balanced unless you are one of his entitlement voters

  • adriancrutch

    I seen Johnson on the THIS WEEK show! Everybody just LOOKED at him like he was an Alien! Another moronic Tool of the KOCHS!

  • Countrybumpkin

    LyingRYAN and his ilk are out to destroy this country, unless they get what they want. The destruction of a once proud and hard working MIDDLE CLASS. Here we go again – unless we get our way to destroy the ACA, we will destroy the economy, and within it the standard of living we have fought hard for to achieve. BLACK MAIL AGAIN, AGAIN AND AGAIN.
    These DOMESTIC TERRORIST TRAITORS leave us no choice but to start marching again.

  • RobertCHastings

    Even after losing the election and shrinking their majority in the House, these idiots led, undoubtedly, by Michelle Bachman with her weekly insertion into the spending bill her pet anti-Obamacare legislation, just have no idea what this past November meant. No wonder the Senate has not passed a budget – every time one is devised in the House it contains the same provision for getting rid of the Affordable Care Act. I guess that gives the Republicans their only valid talking point, that the Democrats in the Senate will not pass a budget sent to them by the House.

  • http://www.facebook.com/robert.robertson.sr Robert P. Robertson

    Paul Ryan lost in his own state of Wisconsin, so he isn’t representing the interests of Wisconsans nor the American people. Paul Ryan is representing the interests of the lobbyists who has paid him to voice the wishes of insurance companies, pharmacuetical companies, and the American Medical Association. The ACA will force them to do what they are supposed to do instead of using the misfortune of the elderly, afflicted, children, and the mentally ill to become wealthy.

  • latebloomingrandma

    Paul Ryan gets an a+ rating from the pro-life people, yet puts forth the most immoral budget, benefitting the wealthy and decimating the poor and middle class. I don’t get it.
    He must sleep during the gospels on Sundays.

  • joeham1

    The affordable health care bill is already a disaster. The CBO predicts the supposed 900 billion dollar bill will actually cost 2.8 trillion. The hacks like Dominick will once again make up points to try to sell to the sheep!

  • http://www.facebook.com/allan.richardson.969 Allan Richardson

    No intention to offend handicapped people in REAL life, but the Republican attitude sounds like the black knight in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” who continues to believe he can make the hero surrender, no matter how many of his limbs are cut off. Admirably positive attitude, but totally out of touch with reality. In the movie, of course, the hero walks right past the armless and legless (remember this is fantasy) black knight, who continues to make threats he cannot carry out.

    Unfortunately, as long as gerrymandering can keep the GOP in the House majority, and Faux news, Limburger and the rest succeed in fooling 51 percent of the voters in the right districts, neither the President’s plan (which voters supported in TWO elections) nor the Ryan plan has any chance of becoming law any time soon. But since SOMETHING has to be enacted, or we will have a “super-sequester” when the latest continuing resolution expires, I expect the President will cave more than the Republicans, since he actually CARES whether the government is shut down, while these guys DO NOT CARE!

    To mix the metaphors, they are like mutineers on a sailing ship, who threaten to blow a hole in the ship’s hull if the captain does not steer the ship their way, not caring that if the ship sinks, THEY will drown also!

  • Melissa Wess

    Is there anyone on here that the “Affordable Care Act” actually benefits? Anyone?? No, seriously, anyone???
    Oh, and, does anyone else propose a budget to cut the deficit? Anyone??
    I didn’t think so!

  • Betta

    Eleanor Rohl – While working a a travel RN, I worked with nurses from Canada. Know why they were here in the US working? Not enough nursing jobs in Canada. Know what else they told me? If you needed emergency heart surgery you had to WAIT for it. Even if that surgery would save your life you don’t get it right away. You have to wait.

    There was also the case of the Canadian woman with a brain tumor, who was told he had to wait at least 6-9 months to have surgery. She told them “I’ll be dead by then.” She had to come to America to have the tumor successfully removed.

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