Romney And The Go-For-Broke Election

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Romney And The Go-For-Broke Election

July 30th, 2012 12:00 am E. J. Dionne

WASHINGTON — Here are the two great campaign mysteries at midsummer: Why does Mitt Romney appear to be getting so much traction from ripping a few of President Obama’s words out of context? And why aren’t Romney and other Republicans moving to the political center as the election approaches?

Both mysteries point to an important fact about the 2012 campaign: For conservatives, this is a go-for-broke election. They and a Republican Party now under their control hope to eke out a narrow victory in November on the basis of a quite radical program that includes more tax cuts for the rich, deep reductions in domestic spending, big increases in military spending, and a sharp rollback in government regulation.

In the process, the right hopes to redefine middle-of-the-road policies as “left wing,” thereby altering the balance in the American political debate.

What should alarm both liberals and moderates is that this is the rare election in which such a strategy has a chance of succeeding. Conservatives have their opening not because the country has moved far to the right but courtesy of economic discontent, partisan polarization and the right’s success in defining Obama as standing well to the left of where he actually does.

The Obama campaign is trying to disrupt this narrative on multiple fronts. Why did Obama respond so quickly and forcefully to Romney’s effort to use the president’s “you didn’t build that” quotation as a way of casting him as an enemy of small business? It’s not that the attack was true. In fact, it was blatantly false, given that in the same speech Obama praised “hard work,” “responsibility” and “individual initiative.”

The words did, however, play to a stereotype of Obama as an advocate of big government who mistrusts business. The distortion resonated, said Bill McInturff, a Republican pollster, because key voter groups that Romney is trying to win suspect the four words reflect “secretly what he [Obama] believes.”

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http://www.facebook.com/dominick.vila.1 Dominick Vila

Considering their record, which includes wiping out a surplus in less than a year, resumption of deficit spending and borrowing, and a dismal one million jobs added in 8 years, the GOP has no choice but to hope the American people are suffering from amnesia. We are still struggling to get out of the mess they got us in, we don’t need to go back, as they unashamedly want, we must move forward towards a brighter future where ALL Americans have access to affordable and effective healthcare, where jobs are plentififul, a future that ensures all Americans – including our financial and business institutions – pay their fair share to ensure we can can maintain our privileged position in the world and make sure every American lives with a modicum of dignity, and a future where our young have the skills needed to survive in the 21st century.

sigrid28

No matter how righteous we feel as progressives and how hopeful we might be about another four years for Barack Obama, we ignore E. J. Dionne’s pessimistic analysis at our peril. Unless every single Obama supporter gets to the polls, and, I’m afraid, even then, the Republicans could very well prevail, even though that would be such a disaster.

Republicans have fought to erode the economic success we desperately need by blocking initiatives in Congress. The worse the economy the better their chance of winning. What’s to keep the bitter from voting against Obama?

They have flooded (and will continue to flood) the airways with calculated slurs against the president, to attract the votes of xenophobes. Ditto misogynists and religious bigots. No amount of Democratic campaigning will win over these voters.

They are trying to stack the deck with voter suppression laws, that will have some effect even if they are struck down. We were complacent while they passed this legislation designed to defeat Obama. It could very will succeed in doing just that.

Then, there are the dirty tricks: impersonating protesters at the Republican Convention or impersonating Democrats in robocalls or house calls, you name it.
Some potential votes for Obama will be lost just because Democrats haven’t done their counter-insurgency homework, out of over-confidence or despair.

We have to see why this election will be very hard to win, get over the unfairness of it, and work together to design and follow effective strategies. There isn’t very much time, either.

highpckts

Scarey thought but true!
http://www.facebook.com/vivere0379 Dennis Ruggere

To be a true progressive (aka Obama) one must first be an atheist
http://www.blogliberally.com/ Steve L

Co-sign! And the “increase your take home pay” line was just weird and I think is more a promise for tax cuts than actually increasing wages of those that actually have to work for a living.

I also firmly believe that given the opportunity Mitt and Paul will lead the way to the destruction of the middle class.

Like I say the new GOP slogan is “The Republican Party Overseeing The End Of The Middle Class in A Quick and Orderly Manner”

William Deutschlander

It is very possible that the UNTHINKING voter will not remember that the ONLY REASON our ECONOMY is as dismal as it is, is the REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION OF 2000 – 2008 which BROUGHT the U S A the GREAT RECESSION of 2008, along with the massive unemployment that goes hand in hand with the GREAT RECESSION.

VOTERS need be aware that EVERY RECESSION along with the DEPRESSION were the RESULT OF INCOMPETENT REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATIONS. If you dobt that statement look up the ACTUAL FACTS.

If the UNTHINKING VOTER votes REPUBLICAN, they do so at their OWN PERIL!

Arvid123

My friend, you give the electoret too much credit. Too maney people don’t care about history and don’t care about it, so quoting it does nothing.
Matthew Kennedy

maybe a link to those actual facts could help us unthinking voters.

ObozoMustGo

EJ…. EJ….. EJ…… useful idiot of the day…. you hammerheads on the left are every bit as clueless today as you were the day after the November 2010 elections. The fact is that 10′s of millions of Americans who were never before politically active, or even cared about politics, have been awakened, courtesy of Obozo and his leftist efforts to “fundamentally transform” America. And it is this awakening that is driving the leftist nutjobs batcrap crazy because you always thought that only you radicals were allowed to be politically active. Apparently, you still believe that.

Do us a favor and keep your heads in the sand. Keep telling yourself these silly lies like people that oppose Obozo are racists. Keep doing it. Please. You will be just as delusional on

Have a nice day!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

ObozoMustGo: Why don’t you see Obama is merely Bush light?. He stands for the same things but just tones them down a little. He supported the foolish, stupid, wasteful, tragic adventurism in Afghanistan and Iraq. He allowed the Fed to steal more for Wall Street and the big banks. He cut funding for alternative energy such as hydrogen and has only feebly resisted the oil companies greed and damages to the environment. He supports the Zionists with their goal of further ghettoizing the Palestinians and attacking Iran.
Right after signing NDAA 2012 he invited Papa Bush and Jeb to the White House where they probably patted him on the head for furthering their Police State agenda.
This bill takes away more of our Constitutional rights, allowing the government to arrest US citizens and incarcerate us indefinitely without trial. Any one they wish can be eliminated without proof! I signed the John Birch Society AND the American Civil Liberties’ petitions protesting this invasion of our freedoms.
I do not think all those who oppose Obama are racists. I am not racist and I supported Ron Paul since he talked a good game but withdrew from the chance to be a third party candidate.
The reason I prefer Obama to Romney is: they are the only two who have a chance. b) Rove, Cheney and the neo-cons support Romney and their agenda is to expand the destruction of our rights, continue war-profiteering and military adventurism and give even more breaks to the wealthy who are their base of political support. Furthermore, Obama wants to give tax relief and aid to the middle class. He wants to increase taxes on those who make more than $250,000 per year so our infrastructure, first responders and educational system can be supported. These all are essential for our nation to try to compete effectively with other nations.
You are excellent at insults and name calling but what are the policies you like or dislike?

http://profile.yahoo.com/XWNK5E33OIFUMQVAGQQA7GDM2M Bigspender

Romney’s only real chance of getting elected depends entirely on the middle class remaining ignorant of the facts. That’s what elected GWB so that’s the strategy republicans will use this time as well.

http://profile.yahoo.com/V3BNTVCY3APDQ3SKIAQZB3DZKI blb19570

and oh boy is that what I am afraid of!

http://profile.yahoo.com/OGDCVC7W7ELT2UJT5CC6F5ZR6A young lady

The misinformation and confusion on the part of voters is caused by one reason–the almost total control of the media by conservatives and corporations. Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine (FD) would go a long way in changing the political discourse in this country.

That fact is the reason the repubs. and conservatives are dead set against and fight tooth and nail to keep the FD from being reinstated.

highpckts

Again I say why weren’t his remarks made in Israel front page news! This man is dangerous!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZBYB6RP3Y6IOKIZD2I7LSRAFY Baba Rien

I agree with your sentiment, but the answer is obvious – not many americans know, let alone care, about what’s going on in other countries.

http://www.facebook.com/lynda.wilson.10 Lynda Wilson

Mr Romney suffers from” Hoof and Mouth” disease, every time he opens his mouth he puts his foot in it. If he gets elected, God help us all, with a mouth like his, we’ll have a WWIII for sure. He’s an insulting MORON!!
http://profile.yahoo.com/7GNXLPAF2ZKKRCIT6IGAUGFOB4 Nenny

Who really believes Mitt Romney is getting much traction from his lies about Obama’s statements concerning the American people assisting one another to achieve individual goals? Small businesses? Most are too smart for that. The Romney folks want to believe they are putting behind them the gross disrespect Mitt Romney has for this country by not showing them his tax information and his Bain connections. Is it because they are responsible for unemployment growth by outsourcing jobs and the terrible economic situations because they have the bulk of the money the government had already assisted them by aiding them in building their companies; and, now, they are hording the money and won’t hire folks to make Obama seem responsible for the ills of this country? I know where we’ll head with Mitt Romney. Come on, give me Obama once again–not Romney!

highpckts

I don’t know! My entire family call my husband & I “left wing liberal loonies”!! I don’t know personally too many people who will vote for Obama. I hoping the silent majority are for Obama and this arrogant elitist is handed his walking papers!

greghilbert

Obama did not in 2009 go to the bully pulpit to condemn the tax cuts for the wealthy nor the banksterism that costs millions their jobs, homes, savings and futures, and heaped on the 99% and their children a mountain of debt. In fact he publicly paid his respects for the wealth of the banksters, populated his administration with Wall Street elites, and acquiesced to the merciless idea that those least able to pay that debt should suffer the consequences, except of course “teachers, police and firemen”. He squandered public angst for the consequences of Regan-Bush policies, championing a nineties-Repub healthcare plan having no single-payor but guaranteeing the health-insurance cartel tens of millions of new premium payors and by CBO estimate 2 million lower-income tax-penalty payors unable to pay that premium, annually. He prolonged a lost war in Afghanistan, and supported increases in Defense and “Homeland Security” spending already equal to that of the ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD, funneling more profits into the pockets of the elite who benefit from the horrific expense to middle and low-income taxpayers and the lives and limbs of their children. He actively and not just passively helped put austerity including as to Social Security on the table, supported window-dressing banking reform, pursued more “free trade” agreements, dissed progressives, and made no demand on his own DofJ or IRS to investigate and prosecute widespread fraud and tax evasion by banksters and other wealthy elites. In short, Obama is a key contributor to the shift to the right and the ongoing transfer of wealth from the many to the few. Now seeking reelection, Obama and the Dem establishment weakly whimper about tax reform and giving the vast lower-class majority a “fair shot” at middle class status, even as that small-minority class shrinks. We will get nowhere trying to reverse “Repub evil” for so long as Dems such as these stand in the way.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KCS3Y6VPV2ZQPEWGGZLPSKQI7M Maynard

Greghilbert, I agree with you that Obama has hardly represented an agenda to realign our government to be responsive to the needs of the middle class and poor. He went on with the wars, he killed Bush’s program for research and development of hydrogen gas for automobiles, he signed NDAA 2012 giving the executive the power to use the military domestically to arrest and incarcerate American citizens indefinitely without trial. This, of course, would enable a police state type takeover in which opposition can be jailed without proof, flying in the face of the Constitution.
Even tho he said he wouldn’t do any of that, the bill is ready and waiting for someone who represents the harsh realities of the lust for wealth and power. People like the neo-cons, Cheney and Rove come to mind.
Do you happen to know of a candidate who is wishy washy, spineless and greedy who the ruthless might use to advance their agenda: more tax cuts for the rich; less support for the needs of the middle class such as health care, educational loans and tax relief; continued emphasis on filthy fossil fuels while cutting environmental protections further; more saber rattling and and military support for Israel?

greghilbert

Yes, Maynard, in order of highest to lowest effectiveness for the purposes you describe:
(1) Romney, (2) former Dem candidate for VP Joe Lieberman (now Senator opposing repeal of tax cuts for wealthy), and (3) Obama.

Romney would hit a grand slam, and Lieberman a triple. Obama can be counted on only for singles and walks, but slow and steady also wins the game in which the 1% lead by a score of 99 to 1 and own the league, the stadium, the concessions, the TV rights, the play-by-play broadcasters, the bats, the balls, the oil we need to get to the stadium and the cemetery, and the granite we need for our gravestones . But hey Maynard, all is not lost. If I donate to Obama I get a sweepstakes chance to meet him in person.

ObozoMustGo

GE Moving from Wisconsin.
Keep your eye on Waukesha, Wisconsin……Their biggest employer just Moved out. General Electric is planning to move its 115-year-old X-ray divisionFrom Waukesha, Wis., to Beijing.

In addition to moving the headquarters, the company will invest $2 billion
In China and train more than 65 engineers and create six research centers.
This is the same GE that made $5.1 billion in the United States last year,
But paid no taxes – the same company that employs more people overseas
Than it does in the United States.
So let me get this straight. President Obama appointed GE Chairman Jeff
Immelt to head his commission on job creation (job czar). Immelt is
Supposed to help create jobs. I guess the President forgot to tell him in which
Country he was supposed to be creating those jobs.
Thanks Jeff, you’re a “real” American….give Barrack our Best! If this
Doesn’t show you the total lack of leadership of this President, I don’t
Know what does.

Have a nice unemployed day!

Landsende

Hi Bozo,
I agree Immelt was a poor choice for job czar. Thats like putting the fox in the hen house. Isn’t this what the teapublicans and Romney want? Lower taxes and less regulation on businesses so they can do whatever they want without regard to worker safety, the enviroment, lower wages and less benefits for workers and not being penalized for moving jobs overseas.

Have a nice day!

ObozoMustGo

Hello Land…. a couple of points….

1) Conservatives and libertarians in America want free market economics, not crony capitalism which is exactly what GE is engaged in with Obozo. It boggles my mind that you on the left do not understand this. It further boggles my mind that you guys on the left eat up Obozo’s rhetoric about the “rich guy” and Wall Street fat cats, and blah blah blah blah blah…… but ignore how intimately tied up with all of the “fat cats” that he is in bed with. INCLUDING his own inner circle which includes the head of BAIN CAPITAL!!!! I absolutely do not understand how you are so blind to his utter hypocrisy. He’s playing you guys for fools. Don’t you see it?

2) I don’t care where GE locates factories or jobs. They are free to pursue whatever markets that they choose. However, when they are taking government money, that’s MY MONEY and YOUR MONEY, what the hell are they doing closing down operations in OUR COUNTRY to use OUR MONEY to move to China? This is crony capitalism. When the connected business gets money and special help from their government buddies who then erect roadblocks to prevent competition against them. It’s a racket. Obozo is squarely in the middle of it. This is the Chicago thug political way, dontcha know?

3) You have this wild preconceived notion that conservatives don’t want any taxes or regulation over business. Nothing could be further from the truth. What we dont want are armies of bureaucrats who, because congress is so feckless, are the ones that make the laws in a never ending pursuit to dictate EVERY facet of our businesses and our lives. You see, the feckless losers in the Congress actually write laws that include provisions that the regulatory agencies themselves figure out what the laws will be. That’s INSANE! And it’s not how it’s suppose to work. The Congress is supposes to make the laws, not the agencies. This is how we have runaway regulation.

For example, in the 2,700 pages of ObamaCare there are more than 2,500 references to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. There are more than 700 instances when he or she is instructed that they “shall” do something and more than 200 times when they “may” take at their sole discretion some form of regulatory action. On 139 occasions, the law mentions that the “Secretary determines.” In essence one person, appointed by and reporting to the president, will be in charge of the health care of 310 million Americans once ObamaCare is fully operational in 2014.

Don’t you see how disgusting this is? Really, Land, don’t you see it?

The more I have these discussions with poeple like yourself, Land, the more I am convinced that we really aren’t that far apart. There are some really far off committed leftist wackos here, too, but not as many as might appear. We’re just Americans. And in truth, most Americans are actually very libertarian (small “L” intended) in their own personal lives. They (like I and presumably you) just want to live life free without anyone telling them what to do or how to be. Conversely, I don’t care how you want to live your life and I don’t want to tell you what to do or how to be. Live and let live, right? Isn’t that how you think in your own personal life? I’ll bet my house that it is. So why is it that when it comes to political beliefs, you suspend your libertarian views in support of politicians that believe it’s OK for them to tell everyone else what to do? What kind of light bulbs they can use. What kind of health insurance they must by. I don’t get it.

Interested in your reply I remain.

Have a great day, Land!

Landsende

Hi Bozo,
To address some of your points:
1. Unfortunately the only way politicians can be a viable candidate is if they have the money to run their campaigns which means they are beholden to those big supporters. We need to take the big money out of the election process so we can get candidates who really want to help the country and not candidates that are picked by special interest groups. With all the money being spent on this election we could have made a big dent in the national debt.

2. We should all care about jobs going overseas since it creates more unemployment and less tax revenue. Some of these countries where the jobs are going are producing unsafe products that contain chemicals that are dangerous to our health because they have no regulations. Almost every day we hear of something being recalled because it’s dangerous to your health or safety.

3. Regulations are made to protect the enviroment and the public. I agree, I don’t want someone telling me what kind of light bulbs I can buy but I do want regulations that protect me against pesticides, unsafe food, unsafe products, and the air I breathe. What I don’t want is conservatives trying to legislate their beliefs on me whether it concerns my personal or religious beliefs or my body.

I enjoy having an amicable discussion with you and we agree on some things and can agree to disagree on others.

Have a nice day!

ObozoMustGo

Greetings Land! Response in line below

1) Not sure the “money in politics” issue is directly relevant to my previous post, though I do see some connection. Interesting how you ignored my view that you guys on the left get off on Obozo’s “get the rich” rhetoric, but ignore his actions and coziness with them. That being said, how does a candidate get their message to the people without money? They don’t! That’s how. You cannot prevent a rich guy from speding his own money, can you? No, you can’t. Then, if we “took the money out of politics”, only the wealthiest of us could run for office, right. Is that what you want? But then you’d say, we should only have public financing of campaigns. And I would say that would require politicians currently in office making rules about how their future competitors are going to beat them. Then you would have an army of bureaucrats who got their jobs from those same politicians overseeing the competitive process to replace the very guys who are their bosses. What kind of rules and exceptions and anything else do you think they would come up with? Really, the only thing we would have would be a FAR MORE CORRUPT system when you turn over the authority and responsibility for elections to the very people who have demonstrated so decisively their very incompetence and greed in every other area? While you may have some utopic vision of elections without money, I think I have presented some serious and logical reasoning that would refute such a fantasy.

That being said, the truth is that we need more moral and honest men and women to serve. Those that will not cross the threshold, no matter the cost, from gratitude for campaign contribution to outright graft or payoffs for them. What you percieve as a money problem is really just a problem with out culture that plays itself out in the elected officials we choose. Now it is true that lobbying can be just and right. For example, is it right for an American company who is being driven out of business because DoD is getting microchips made in China to lobby and see to it that Congress appropriates funds to have those chips made ONLY in the USA? Is that wrong? I guarantee you that you will say it is right. Now, if the company gives a campaign donation to the congressmen on the committee, R’s and D’s, is that wrong? I will again say that you will say it is not wrong. And I agree.

You see, we can make statements that make us all feel good like “get the money out of the campaign” and other cliche’s, but the stone cold reality is most often radically different than fantasy or cliche’. Do you get it? Really, I mean do you really understand what I am saying and the reasoning I am taking you through?

2) Do you think it’s fair for Toyota or Honda to open manufacturing facilities in America? I would bet that you would say so. Would the Japanese person say so? I don’t know. I suppose they have their share of leftists who would argue that doing so is bad for Japan. But we all know that it’s good for everyone. In reality, if we want American companies to be successful, they must compete globally. And if they must compete globallly, they most certainly will and should establish operations internationally. You cannot stop them. If you try to stop them, I can assure you that they will all leave America. This is the direction they are heading already as the highest business tax rates in the world and growing and stifling regulation along with the nearly highest cost labor in the world create incentives for our companies to leave and others to stay out. This is especially true as the Asian countries mature and open up free markets with low taxes and low regulation. You can see this by looking at state comparisons. Why is CA or NY hemorrhaging jobs and TN or TX or ND gaining them so rapidly? It doesn’t take a genius to figure that some places are more employer friendly than others. And this applies to countries as well.

Like I said… in the case of GE, their just a crony capitalist company with connections to Obozo and their hand in the public treasury. They should be held to a different standard if they took our money and then, do everything they can to avoid paying any taxes. The other half of my point was that I find it odd how you guys on the left know this stuff is true, but just blow it off about Obozo, and scream and yell about Romney. You can’t have it both ways, Land.

3) You did not understand my post, Land. The point was not that regulations protect people and the environment. I think that’s the basic idea in the first place. My post was about WHO MAKES the regulations, and how bad it is to have non-elected bureaucrats who are lifers now taking the reigns from feckless politicians who don’t have courage nor the integrity to actually DO THEIR JOBS the way they are supposed to do them. Further, you ignored my example of how bad Obozocare has assaulted any semblance of representative government and stripped the power into the executive.

Do you understand why that is dangerous? Really, do you? Political winds shift my friend. And while your guy may be in the WH right now doing things you like, trust me on this one, he won’t be there for long. And now that the Executive has the powers, the next guy that comes along who’s not on your side will use them against you! This is why you should be very wary of these things that are happening in your government, Land. Even if it means going against your own ideology some times, you must recognize the consequences that come down the road as a result of today’s decisions. Obozocare is just one of those examples. There are hundreds and thosands of them. Realize that your Constitution has been shit upon for over 100 years since Woodrow Wilson.

Finally, you comments about “my body” are taken. Obviously, as a leftist, you like abortions. As a righty, I don’t see a babie’s life as your right to extinguish. Do you have a right to your body? Sure! If you want to cut of your fingers, or your foot, or smoke or do drugs or blow your brains out, that’s OK by me. Go for it. None of my business. But it stops at another’s right to live. I know we won’t agree on this, so yes, we can agree to disagree amicably.

I’d be interested in your responses to some of my questions above.

I hope your day is going well. All the best! and, of course….

Have a nice day!
Landsende

Hi Bozo,
Only have a few minutes so don’t have time to respond to all your points. First, I don’t know if I would ever have been able to have an abortion because I love children but I believe we should all have the right to make our own decisions about our bodies whether its about abortion or the right to die and not have some strangers that know nothing about the situation impose their beliefs on them.

My second point is the health care law. Obamacare was patterned after Romneycare and the republicans own plan. While not perfect there are many good features such as children being covered under their parents insurance until they are 26, preventative care, can’t be turned down because of pre-existing conditions, no life time limits and insurance companies have to use 80% of the premiums collected for healthcare. Could it be improved, yes, but instead of tossing the whole thing out democrats and republicans should work together (if that’s possible) to make it better. Healthcare costs keep escalating causing financial hardship to families and affecting the economy so something must be done. It has been talked about for years but nothing was ever accomplished so finally this is the first step to correcting the problem. As for all the legalese in the act, lawyers like to cover EVERY contingency and write it in such a way that no one understands what it says. Have you ever read all the documents you agree to on your bank account, credit card, or terms of service on Internet sites? Even if you read them there’s so much legalese most people wouldn’t understand them.

Enjoyed our amicable discussions.

Have a nice evening!
ObozoMustGo

Hi Land… FYI… Society imposes their belief on you all the time. Like, you can’t kill the guy that cuts you off in traffic, even if you feel justified. You can’t just go into a store and take things and walk out. You cannot drink alcohol until your 21. You cannot smoke inside at your job or in a restaurant. So you see. Society imposes their beliefs on you a hell of a lot, hun! I get your position on kids. I’m the same way. I have 4 and regret not having 6 more. They’re the meaning of living.

Obozocare… welcome to Nanny State where we literally will be responsible for you from womb to tomb, right? If my oldest is not on his own by 23 (he graduates college next spring) I’m kicking his lazy ass out onto the street. Don’t think I’m kidding. He WILL provide for himself. I don’t give a damn what the government says. I’m not taking care of him. This is for his own good. Not mine.

And Obozocare should be totally scrapped. Too much power in the hands of the executive and unelected lifetime bureaucrats with no accountability. If you want lower costs and more accessibility, unregulate it and make it like auto insurance and auto care. I know you lefties love to emotionalize the issue, but economically, it’s the same market forces and economic principles that apply. Then we can examine how we will deal with the poorest amongst us. Vouchers or something like that could help out. Don’t think for a second that we conservatives want to leave people to die. That is a lie of the left. We just have different ideas that keep power and money out of the hands of polilticians and bureaucrats. That’s all.

Have a great evening, my friend!
Dave_dido

Your solution to the healthcare problem is the same as all Repubs: you have no solution. Buying health insurance in the same way we buy auto insurance is the system we have had in place for 60 years. It doesn’t work anymore. One reason it doesn’t work is that CEO’s like Jack Burry of Blue Cross in Ohio rape their company’s assets. Burry took $200,000,000 out of Blue Cross Ohio in one year! That’s what you get with deregulation.
With auto insurance there is an individual mandate: everyone must buy, and, at least here in Ohio, no one can be turned down,i.e. an agent is supposed to help whoever comes in the door to secure car insurance. Is that what you want with health insurance, Mr. Obozo?
ObozoMustGo

dave_dildo… Of course auto insurance works, you dope. It’s highly competitive across state lines, widely available in all kinds of coverage from just catastrophic liability to complex plans with low deductibles. And it’s very cheap pending the variables that apply to you like car, geography, and driving record – your PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL risk profile determines your rate. And the economic model that works for car insurance and car care is exactly the type of model we need in health insurance and health care. Only until the government gets OUT of healthcare, only then, will we see costs come down. In government healthcare, the only way to control costs is to ration care.

By the way, there is NO individual mandate to buy auto insurance because there is no mandate for me to own a car….. not yet, that is… It’s coming around the corner when the government tells you that you must by a piece of crap Volt. With Roberts ruling, it is now possible for them to do so. The twisted minds of you leftist freaks knows no bounds when it comes to finding ways to tell others what to do.

Have a nice day!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill
cabadas

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH Really bozo, you are a right wing nut job

cabadas

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Really?

Dave_dido

Jeff Immelt is a staunch conservative Republican, Obozo. Pres. Obama appointed him job czar for two reasons :1) his business acumen 2)a conciliatory gesture to the party on the other side of the aisle. If the President was guilty of anything in this selection it was his naivete in thinking he could get any kind of bipartisan cooperation from the obstructionist Republican Party. Anyway, thank you for reinforcing our belief that Republicans are hypocritical patriots. As soon as you waive a dollar in front of their noses they become like dogs in heat when they get a sniff and damn America and damn their fellow Americans and coworkers if there is a buck to be made. That’s Jeff Immelt and the other captains of industry that go overseas and thereby stab in the back the workers and the community that contributed to their company’s success. These are the kind of people that you and Romney want to reward with more tax breaks. If you think that the likes of Jeff Immelt will create more jobs if you cut their taxes then you are blinded by your idealogy.
Have a nice day.

ObozoMustGo

dave_dildo… uhhh… Imelt is a staunch Obozo supporter. In fact, he’s a supporter of whoever is in power because he is a massive beneficiary of crony capitalism. That’s why he get’s along so well in red China, the home of government control over business.

And while I’m at at… the US corporate tax rate is the highest in the world at 35%. The fact is that corporate tax rates should be ZERO on income on production done here and sold here or exported. Business taxes are merely pass through taxes anyway. Dont know you know that? Their taxes are added to the cost of producing their products which in turn are paid for by the buyers or consumers of that product or service. Only a fool does not see this. We make the rate ZERO and you watch the flood of jobs coming into America. Guaranteed! And isn’t that good for everyone?

Have a nice day!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill

Dave_dido

Thanks for the lesson on auto and health insurance,Mr.Obozo. Gosh your smart. I’ve been an insurance agent for 32 years and I’ve sold literally thousands of auto, individual health, and group health policies in those 32 years, but you sure have clarified a lot of things for me. I don’t know why I didn’t see it before. Guess I’m just not as smart as you. But you shouldn’t oughtta insult my name or call me a dope or say that I have a twisted mind.Truly educated people, people with refinement, don’t say the mean things that you do. You really do not portray an admirable picture of the right wing. Maybe you think you’re a good guy, but you’re not. Never finished college and now you’re out to prove that you’re smarter than those who did. But all you really accomplish is to transfer your self-loathing onto those who don’t agree with you. I guess you’re more to be pitied than censured, poor thing!

ObozoMustGo

dave-dildo… I’ve never met a leftist nutjob who was a salesman that was worth their weight in salt. It is a career and world of individual achievement, hard work, and success or failure. Exactly the antithesis of the collectivist loving leftist nutjob! Perhaps there is hope for you. But if you support Obozocare and actually believe the flat out, bold faced lie that it will bring down costs, you have demonstrated a complete inability to understand market economics. Further, I am stunned that a salesman actually harbors envy and bitterness toward what another man earns. Shocking! You are a walking talking contradiction of yourself.

Have a nice day!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill
Dave_dido

Since you didn’t apologize for insulting my name, I don’t intend to communicate with you any further, Mr. Obozo. You are a pompous, myopic cretin, a disgrace to the conservative ideology, and it’s a waste of time for anyone to read your posts. As I bid you adieu, I leave you with some parting thoughts: 1.) your comment above about a “leftist salesman” is one of the stupidest things you’ve said in these posts and it points to your unmitigated ignorance.2) I’m not envious or bitter toward anyone who makes a lot of money. Polls show that progressives and liberals in general are not envious or bitter toward the wealthy. We just want them to belly up and financially support the capitalist system that has helped them amass their fortunes. Why should those without capital make sacrifices to prop up a capitalist system? Nothing in the Constitution says we must have a capitalist system. You say the wealthy do pay a lot in taxes. So they should- they are the only ones benefitting from our capitalist system as things now stand. 3) You always dodge the tough questions. I recently asked you to name one government that was overthrown because the poor received too much in the way of wealth and resources.I pointed out several examples of the opposite theory- that governments topple when the poor get too little while at the same time the rich get richer.(Russian, French, Iranian, we could throw in Cuban revolutions.) You never answered. Care to give it another try?

“A little knowledge is a dangerous thing,
Drink deep or taste not the Pierian spring.
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, [That's you, Obozo]
And drinking largely sobers us again.” [ Might make you less pompous, Obozo]
- Alexander Pope
ObozoMustGo

Dave_dildo… I love it how you leftist nutjobs back off your own committment to class warfare and envy when it’s thrown back in your faces. What a joke that you say you’re not envious! Of course you are. By definition, you would NOT be a leftist freak if you did not view the world through the lenses of victimhood and the Holy Trinity of the Left: Race, Gender, Class. It’s your religion.

To answer your stupid question requires a complete suspension of logic and reason because one would have to believe that there has been established a Utopia on earth where the lower class or poor class have been given everything they need to live well. In which case, THERE IS NO EXAMPLE to cite because utopia does not and cannot exist on earth. Look at the places it’s been tried. They are all either on the garbage heap of history or are destined for it. And oddly enough, and I know much to your chagrin, that in those places the wealth disparity is at it’s greatest. The elite ruling class are super rich, and the masses are dirt poor and miserable with ZERO oportunity to alter their situations. Those governments don’t get “overthrown” per se. Rather, they implode on themselves.

The real debate, Dave, is over what is the proper role of the Fed Government in America today. What does the Constitution say that the role of the Fed is? If you don’t like what it says, there’s an amendment process built into it. That’s how you change it. Not by executive order or magical judicial interpretation based upon personal belief.

Good discussion, Dave.

Have a nice weekend!

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery..”
– Winston Churchill

rustacus21

Mr. Romney, it should be remembered, is being ‘prepped’ on how to ‘be’ presidential’. 12 years ago, we went thru this same scenario. 12 years later, there are still Americans who are unable to keep things straight in their own head, which is terrifying enuff, but even more so considering we’re not quite out of the ‘deep water’ of the 2001-2009 (I still have trouble saying ‘President’ w/the name of the junior!!!) administration, do we (or they, rather) find the situation has returned & instead of mere choice, conservatives are burdened w/the choice of ‘race’ factoring in their decision. A decision Mr. Romney will not fail to call them on between now & election day… In the meantime, he’ll be content to have his campaign be run (b/c he’s nowhere near that enlightened) as a drive-by gangster, willing to cause carnage, but reluctant to face the law (enlightened voters) & consequences for his actions (speech). That Americans have suffered for the errors of 2000 is an understatement. Allowing it to repeat all over again is unconscionable…
rustingdreams

Hello Obozo! Did I mention that I checked your profile and noted that you spewed out 1921 comments and received 619 likes concerning them? How are your math skills? I must admit I was a little surprised at that many likes. Hope you’re having a wonderful day!

Dave_dido

I’ve often wondered where Mr. Obozo finds the time to write the volumes he posts on various sites. Either he is a shill for the Republican Party or he has too much time on his hands. Maybe that’s why he’s so passionately closed-minded. He’s probably afraid we progressives will want him to earn his money the old-fashioned way- by working hard as we do.

Melvin Chatman

Bottom Line?
It just ain’t RIGHT for the President of the USA to be the color he is – PERIOD!!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PZBYB6RP3Y6IOKIZD2I7LSRAFY Baba Rien

“In the process, the right hopes to redefine middle-of-the-road policies as “left wing,” thereby altering the balance in the American political debate.”

You gotta be kidding. This process has been underway, and successfully, since the 80s at least. The USA has already become the least “democratic” among the so called civilized nations. The two recent non fascist presidents were beleaguered to the point where they had to pursue right wing policies just to survive. The real question is: can this process be undone ? 4 years ago I was hopeful (against my own better judgment), but now I am beginning to think that the best bet would be a Romney victory which may lead to a true revolution within the next 4 years. But I’m probably overestimating the American people again.
http://www.facebook.com/clyde.mcwhorter Clyde Mcwhorter

IS Mit Romney A Citizen of Mexico? Under Mexican Law He is, Because his daddy was Born in Mexico. Does Mit Romney denounce His Mexican Citizenship or Does he Hold Dual citizenship in the USA and MEXICO??
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AOZVISW3XL7243YWES5SXAXXZA Kent

The lower white middle class is scared shitless. There is a simple demographic problem here. The “baby boomer gneration”‘ is going into retirement, meaning less demand, etc, and that had a built in economic downturn on its own. (the same is true of Europe, as it will come true in China as well.)
Home foreclosures are still going on a nasty rate, and people economically scared shitless spend less, meaning the slow economic recovery. Things won´t start turning around until 2014, and Romney policies woud only exasperate the problems. And, thanx to Faux news and Rush Limbaugh simplistic hate rhetoric, they blame it all on those “librals” and “socialists”. (As if they were millionaires or something.) They actually vote against their own best economic interests.

What this election will be hinging on are the independent middle class voters not prone to taking ideological sides. The more the Republicans double down on the “damned liberals, and Demorats”, the less the indepdents will be inclined to vote for them.
Romney leads with only one dmographic group-. white males. The women are favour Obama due to changes in healthcare which allow contraception on health care, and other health care services such as mammographs and things like that. -

Mitt is also alienating the college educated -. So all in all, it will come down to the independents in swing states, and I doubt the Tea Party mesage is something these moderates really want to hear.

The idea here is to mobilize the progresives and the moderates. Register and vote. Every vote counts as we saw in Florida 2000.

Kent
Dave_dido

I know that Mr. Obozo is the expert on everything, so I do hesitate to take issue with him, but I would like to point out the flaws in his solutions for the healthcare dilemma.
He says that we should make health insurance work like car insurance. He says that car insurance is cheap. How many of you out there think that car insurance is cheap?
He says car insurance is highly competitive across state lines. I’m not sure what he means by this, but if you live in Indiana you have to buy your car insurance in Indiana- you have to buy a policy that conforms with Indiana insurance law.Same as health insurance, Obozo. Maybe he meant that you can buy from a company that sells in California and Arizona and Utah and all over the country. Same as health insurance, Mr Ob. An example is United Health Care- they sell health insurance all over the country. There are others. How has this kept costs down?
He says that with car insurance you can buy catastrophic coverage or “complex” plans with low deductibles. Very true Mr.O- same as health insurance as it currently exists-you can buy catastrophic coverage or a Cadillac plan or many plans in between with all kinds of deductibles and copays and coinsurances.In fact health insurance offers just as many options as car insurance . It’s been this way for a long time.
He says car insurance rates are determined by variables like your geography, the kind of car you drive, and your driving record, in short,your PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL risk profile (sounds like Flo, huh?) . This is also just like health insurance. Health rates are determined by geography and what kind of health you’re in, your sex,age, smoking status sometimes, height and weight, what meds you take.I guess one could call it a PERSONAL INDIVIDUAL risk profile. I don’t see any difference here between auto and health ins, Mr.O.
He says if we keep the government out we will see costs come down. But private health insurers have managed to raise rates out of site without any government involvement .Their rate increases have far outstripped the rate of inflation in the U.S. and they come year after year after year.
Next , he says the government will ration healthcare. Funny, I haven’t heard any complaints from seniors about rationing in Medicare- a government plan. In fact, seniors seem to like their government plan.Also, have any of you out there ever heard of a private insurer rationing healthcare? Seems to me not long ago 60 minutes did a feature about a woman whose job was to deny claims for an insurance company. Can you say HMO,PPO, formulary drug, experimental procedure and gatekeeper, Mr. O?
Next ,Obozo says there is no mandate for him to own a car so no one is forcing him to buy car insurance. This is a true statement. So, Mr. O, if you can guarantee me that you will never use a doctor or hospital or chiropractor or health clinic, we’ll let you opt out.( This also means that you must have been born at home without a professional midwife) Actually, Mr O, we’ll even let you opt out of Obamacare. That’s right- no one is going to force you to buy health ins under Obamacare. We’re just going to ask you to pay a small fee,a tax if you will, just on the outside chance that you do use a healthcare facility someday- just so you won’t be a financial burden on the rest of us. It’s a small amount- just $90/yr, and know what? we probably won’t enforce it anyway. So what’s the big fuss?Mr.O is probably a 1%er(if not, he’s a fool) so what’s $90? A 4-hr visit to the emergency room will cost you $5,000, so I’d say $90 is a bargain. Or would you rather have the rest of us pick up your tab, Mr.O?
On second thought maybe Mr. Obozo is not so smart after all. Maybe he should start posting on some teen magazine where he can get away with his Tea Party delusions and not be called on it. Not here, Mr.O. Not here. You only display your ignorance.

cabadas

Man I could not have said this better, thank you Dave for saying what I could not put down in words, you are so right.

2hheels2

What people don’t understand is the fact that Mitt Romney in one way people try to emulate in business. In a President it is what we despise he is way to secretive, evasive, and just flat our a LIAR. When Mitt get caught doing things wrong it’s not his fault, when he goes to foreign lands and insults our Allies and chastise the Palestinians, he takes back what he says. We despise the fact the BUCK STANDS WERE? To be presidential you must take responsibility for your actions and words. He straight out LIED to ABC-news about taking a look at his taxes. Now he refuses to release his taxes which makes every one with a brain wonder what he is hiding. That is what we despise in the character of Mitt the twit
http://www.facebook.com/people/Angel-J-Perea/1330247941 Angel J. Perea

KEEPING IT THOUGHTFULLY HONEST: Chief Lobbyist Bruce Josten for the U.S . (CHINA ) Chamber of Commerce, which does the pay-offs for services rendered to the political prostitutes in Washington DC did spent $66.4 million lobbying last year, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. This un-American organization does strongly opposes anything that is not in the greedy interest of BIG business money interests regardless of its impact on our Country’s economic or national security wellbeing or that of the American people! THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: November is our only opportunity for the Middle Class to clean out the Congress and send these NON-representatives to the street so they can peddle their services there! STRONG WORDS, BUT ACCURATE!

FRONTLINE US CHAMBER OF COMMERCE NEEDS TO BE EXPOSED! SO AMERICANS KNOW THE TRAITOR WITHIN!
BlogLiberally

As the ONLY guy that has seen Mitt’s tax returns why hasn’t John McCain gone to the Senate floor to defend Romney? Any idea why he wouldn’t if it wasn’t true. I’m going to keep asking this until someone tells me why John McCain is saying nothing.
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-Bruce-James/1104692804 David Bruce James

With Ryan on the ticket this should be real interesting. I am not that sure that Romney and he are on the same page. I can envision Romney saying that he hires the best man for the job, but that brings Bain up again. It will be interesting to hear the Ryan debates where he outlines and defends his math, particularly the level of defense spending. If he doesn’t lower it will that mean the republicans are planning another war? Golly what if the republicans pitch Romney at the convention and nominate Ryan!

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