Comments on: Romney Stands Against “More Firemen, More Policemen, More Teachers”

By: charles holloway

charles holloway — Sun, 24 Jun 2012 21:14:00 +0000

an educated fool

By: winterfrdiscontent

winterfrdiscontent — Fri, 22 Jun 2012 20:58:00 +0000

that’s a discouraging and offensive comment to make. public safety workers and teachers, like soldiers, sign their names on the dotted line knowing in dispensing with duty, some cracker with a gun may kill them, a structure burning out of control a firefighter will run in to find civilians; because parents don’t discipline their children well, teachers must put up with saucy, disrepectful, and at times, downright intimidating hoodlums in a classroom — and socialized welfare is the insensitive comment made.

how about we address corporate welfare. corporations — banking, big oil, pharma, agribusiness — all making record profits, even during a recession with millions upon billions, getting government subsidies via our tax payer dollars. if there was ever welfare, it would be that …

By: Sharon Penland-Mace

Sharon Penland-Mace — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:48:00 +0000

Sorry, Mitt, handsome doesn’t cut it anymore. You have to make sense in these hard economic times. I was vacillating until I heard you make these statements. That’s the best you can come up with? Cut the jobs and/or pay of people who protect us from fires and crime and those who teach our children? What is wrong with this man? With all these Republicans?

By: Dave_dido

Dave_dido — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 18:46:00 +0000

—– Original Message —– Good enough, OldNorthChurch. You are a scholar and a gentleman(or gentlewoman, sorry but I don’t know).Obviously our differences are workable.I think it’s very important for U.S. citizens to dialogue respectfully. Best of luck to you. Dave D From: Disqus
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TheOldNorthChurch wrote, in response to Dave_dido:

What I believe is that some government jobs are necessary to insure a civil and safe society, but when they outstrip the ability to be paid for and they are being provided without the consent of the govern then there continuation is dangerous. The Tea Party has been outspoken regarding all forms of “Corporate Welfare” and the danger of being the Worlds Policemen. There has been direct criticism for what has gone on in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya without regard to its impact on the future of America.
John Kennedy -
The scarlet thread running through the thoughts and actions of people all over the world is the delegation of great problems to the all-absorbing leviathan – the state. … Every time that we try to lift a problem to the government, to the same extent we are sacrificing the liberties of the people.
Thomas Jefferson -
I place economy among the 1st and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debt we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
Your comments were well stated. I might add that, everyone who is successful in this country were helped by living with the freedoms afford to them from the most exceptional country ever be formed on this planet. It will take all of us to put our great country back to where it belongs and pass it on to our children and their children.

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By: TheOldNorthChurch

TheOldNorthChurch — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 06:17:00 +0000

John Kennedy -
The scarlet thread running through the thoughts and actions of people all over the world is the delegation of great problems to the all-absorbing leviathan – the state. … Every time that we try to lift a problem to the government, to the same extent we are sacrificing the liberties of the people.

Thomas Jefferson -
I place economy among the 1st and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debt we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.

Your comments were well stated. I might add that, everyone who is successful in this country were helped by living with the freedoms afford to them from the most exceptional country ever be formed on this planet. It will take all of us to put our great country back to where it belongs and pass it on to our children and their children.

By: Blue

Blue — Wed, 13 Jun 2012 02:45:00 +0000

I guess Mitt Romney would rather that individuals like: George Zimmerman, were the ones patrolling the streets and neighborhoods of all the American towns, cities, in the entire USA, rather than actual trained police, firefighters and all first responders, along w/volunteer teachers, nurses, and all service personnel associated with our health care system.

By: Dave_dido

Dave_dido — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 19:06:00 +0000

Disqus generic email templateYour arguments are well-taken, OldNorthChurch. Where I don’t agree with you, however, is that you make it sound as though “government jobs” are superfluous, that they exist only because there are private sector jobs to pay for them.Many, if not most “government jobs” are necessary in and of themselves. When the letter carrier delivers your mail, he gets paid partly by taxes and partly by the cost of the postage stamp. If and when we go to a private system of postal delivery you will pay the cost out-of-pocket directly to the provider.Either way it’s a necessary job that requires a payment. How is that any different than a construction worker getting paid by a contractor in the private sector? Regarding NASA, I would say two things. First, we don’t need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If NASA’s expenditures have become overblown, then we need to scale back. But remember this: NASA expenditures for the most part stay here in the U.S. It’s like me paying my son $100 to mow the lawn.Maybe I’ve overpaid, but the money is still in the family. What irritates me about the teaparty way of thinking is that they never got very excited about our paying Eric Prince and Blackwater Securities over $2 billion dollars for services in Iraq or the hundreds of millions spent to build the world’s largest embassy in Iraq. That money is gone, kiss it goodbye, as is over a trillion dollars for two useless wars. The money that was paid to our military people doesn’t bother me, but how much of our money stayed in the Middle East? Yet teapartiers get awfully excited about government workers making too much money even though it’s money that stays here and gets taxed. I know I’m getting a little windy here,sorry, so I’ll wrap it up with this: It boils down to what kind of country we want to have. Do we want roads and bridges that are safe, police and fire departments that are well-staffed, schools and teachers that are admirable?If so, we need to belly up and pay for them. We are still ,by far, the wealthiest country in the world. There’s a whole lot of money here. We don’t need to act like a third world country. And here I’ll say that the people I’m acquainted with who cry the loudest about taxes live like kings compared to the rest of the world.I don’t subscribe to the self-made man myth. Everyone who is successful in the U.S. got help from the simple fact that they lived in the world’s best economy. Our taxes are not overbearing and the bellyachers need to cut it out.( I don’t mean you) Dave D
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TheOldNorthChurch wrote, in response to Dave_dido:

There are of course jobs that are provided by the Government Sector, the issue is that they must remain in proportion to those in the private sector where the revenues are generated from to pay those “Government Jobs”.
During the middle of the space program 1968, Federal Government Expenditures were 17.6% of GDP. In 1969 at the peak of the Vietnam War they were 19.7%. It only went above this number again in 1999 and then 2000. It had dropped back to 17.1 in 2003.
Today they are nearing 24%. If we were spending in the 18% level and could pay for a NASA type program, I do not think the objections would be very loud. The problem is that the Government Sector has outstripped the private sector ability to pay for it. The 50%ers who pay taxes have had enough of this irresponsibility.

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By: Kay Van Houten

Kay Van Houten — Tue, 12 Jun 2012 15:04:00 +0000

LET’S CUT BACK ON ROMNEY’S sECRET sERVICE DETAIL..oF COURSE WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GATED COMMUNITY WHO NEEDS POLICE/ WHEN YOU AND YOUR KIDS GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS–WHO NEEDS PUBLIC SCHOOLS. HAVING TAUGHT IN PRUBLIC AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS BELIEVE I WOULD TAKE THE PRIVATE SCHOOL NEXT TO THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. 24 CHILDREN IN PRIVATE SCHOOL CLASSES VERSUS 38 IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AND HE SAYS CLASS SIZE DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING. I DARE HIM TO GO INTO A CLASSROOM OF 38–AND I MIGHT ADD THE ROOM IS PROBABLY THE SIZE OF HIS SMALLEST BEDROOM, AND TEACH READING . FIREFIGHTERS ONLY ARE ON CALL FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN AREAS THAT DON’T COUNT AS HIS VOTERS ANYWAY. WOULD YOU TRUST OLD MITT TO REPRESENT YOU?

By: TheOldNorthChurch

TheOldNorthChurch — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 23:28:00 +0000

During the middle of the space program 1968, Federal Government Expenditures were 17.6% of GDP. In 1969 at the peak of the Vietnam War they were 19.7%. It only went above this number again in 1999 and then 2000. It had dropped back to 17.1 in 2003.

Today they are nearing 24%. If we were spending in the 18% level and could pay for a NASA type program, I do not think the objections would be very loud. The problem is that the Government Sector has outstripped the private sector ability to pay for it. The 50%ers who pay taxes have had enough of this irresponsibility.

By: scareygary

scareygary — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:03:00 +0000

If only people LISTENED to the logic in debates and arguments. It’s the simplest answers and sound bytes that attract some voters. Too often people fall for the cute little phrases like “tax and spend liberal”, “job creators”, “job killing taxes”, “union thugs” and the like to actually THINK about the complex realities that accompany these over simplistic catch phrases. I don’t buy ANY of them…

People don’t even seem to KNOW that tax rates are at their lowest in decades for most everyone, especially the rich, and that most big corporations DON’T pay but a few % on their billions in profits, no matter the ‘paper rate’. Tax collection is so low these days that it’s killing us, but all the GOP wants to suggest is “CUT and GUT”, and “Greedy Ones Protected”; that’s what the GOP has come to mean for me….. and I reject that philosophy. I’m not seeing any ‘trickle down’ unless one counts China….