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Saturday, October 22, 2016

Before Texas Rep. Ron Paul ends his nearly 40-year-long Congressional career, the libertarian hero has left his followers with one last extremist position to try and defend.

In his latest weekly newsletter and audio message to his supporters, Paul voiced support for the secession movement that has gained steam on the right since President Barack Obama’s re-election. In the message, titled “You’re Not FREE if you Can’t Secede from an Oppressive Government,” Paul makes the case that “Secession is a deeply American principle.”

Is all the recent talk of secession mere sour grapes over the election or perhaps something deeper? Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures. Texas has well over the number of signatures needed to generate a response from the administration, and while I wouldn’t hold my breath on Texas actually seceding, I believe these petitions raise a lot of worthwhile questions about the nature of our union.

Is it treasonous to want to secede from the United States? Many think the question of secession was settled by our Civil War. On the contrary, the principles of self-government and voluntary association are at the core of our founding… The federal government kept the union together through violence and force in the Civil War, but did might really make right? […]

If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties, and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it… If a people cannot secede from an oppressive government they cannot truly be considered free.

Paul’s support for secession does not come as much of a surprise, considering that he has argued in the past that the Civil War was “unnecessary,” and caused by Abraham Lincoln’s attempt to “enhance and get rid of the original intent of the republic” by using an “iron fist.”

Furthermore, as Alex Seitz-Wald points out in Salon, Paul defended secession as a “legitimate issue” when Rick Perry floated the idea for Texas in 2009.

Of course, this is just the latest in adecades-long line of extreme newsletters from Paul. In the past, Paul’s newsletters have argued that Martin Luther King Jr. was a Socialist pedophile, that “malicious gays” enjoy getting and transmitting AIDS, and that “heroic” anti-government militias will soon take power back from the federal government, among many other racist, homophobic, and anti-Semitic conspiracies.

Coincidentally, Paul’s allies on the extremist right share his enthusiasm for secession. As the Southern Poverty Law Center reports, the white nationalist group Stormfront — whose leader has donated to Paul’s campaigns and been photographed with the then-presidential candidate — has helped power the secession petitions’ rapid growth.

So, while Paul’s political career now appears to be over, he seems well-positioned to re-enter the radical newsletter business if he ever gets bored of spending his retirement studying Austrian economics and ranting about “pyschopathic authoritarians.

Hat-tip: Alex Seitz-Wald, Salon.

Photo credit: AP/Robert F. Bukaty, File

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  • nobsartist

    “If you try to secede, you should hang from a tree”.

    Lets send this jackass back to the Star Trek episode that he escaped from.

    • TeddySnowCrop

      Just think, when Mexico starts a fight to take Texas back, once they secede, we will not have to send any troops or money to support their war. Our debt will start to go down as the seceded states go by-by.

    • neece00

      He should say “Beam me up Scottie” for the last time.

    • idamag

      Nobs, you are so right. This secession stuff should be looked on as treason. If those welfare sucking red states did secede, they would become third world countries in no time.



        • idamag

          Cathryna, my family has been in this country since the Revolution. They probably fought for this Democracy which gives people the right to elect their president. That is the American way.

  • old_blu

    Dear Red States?Seccessionist States:
    We’re ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes
    and politics and we’ve decided we’re leaving.
    We in North West intend to form our own country
    and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
    In case you aren’t aware that includes
    California, Hawaii, New York, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan,
    Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.
    We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the
    people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).
    To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
    We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
    We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.
    We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand. We get Intel and Microsoft. You
    get WorldCom.
    We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
    We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get
    We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their
    fair share.
    Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian
    Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.
    With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country’s
    fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation’s
    fresh fruit, 95% of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at
    state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of
    the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
    and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
    With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and
    their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the
    tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100%
    of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the
    University of Georgia.
    We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
    38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale,
    62% believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun
    laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in
    9/11 and 61% of you crazy fools believe you are people with higher morals then
    we lefties.
    We’re taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.
    Citizens of the Enlightened States of America

    • nobsartist

      I think we should sell texas, arizona and any other state that does not like it here to mexico. they can all eat beans.

      • old_blu

        If we don’t sell it now it will be taken over as soon as Mexico realizes they don’t have a military.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          Mexico would love to have Texas back as well as most of the southwest. Only problem though, there goes half of our oil production and supplies in Texas.

          That’s ok by me. The Northern Blue States should join with Canada and we’d be better for it anyway. But, would Canada actually want ANY of us? Maybe not!


      • Sand_Cat

        Well, at least most of the gas would exit harmlessly.

      • WE WILL SELL YOU COMMIES TO RUSSIA and keep all 50 states

        • idamag

          Cathryna Fagervik, isn’t that a Russian name? I don’t want anything to do with you fascists so leave my state out. The more you talk the more stupid you sound. You must be one of those kids who was picked on in school so you hate the world.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      Nice way of putting it:)

      I couldn’t have said it better.

    • foolsdance

      I love it! Where do I sign up?

    • neece00

      But I am in a red state, please, please, please can I come with you?

      • Okay….if you promise to behave yourself! 😉

        • neece00

          I promise to be good and I will not bring any red state ideology with me.

      • BDC_57

        You come where I live we
        were blue state this year

        • neece00

          Thanks for the warm welcome.

        • Del WS

          I live in PA and that’s been blue for quite awhile, though we screwed up Governor-wise. Maybe we’ll do better next time.

          • neece00

            It has got to be better than Tennessee

      • Ya, me too. As a Democrat in Nebraska, I understand the feeling. Nebraska would vote red if the Republicans nominated Charles Manson for president!!

        I used to think the Nebraska term “Big Red” referred to the football program. It actually refers to the state’s political bent.

        • Sand_Cat

          You mean they haven’t? Well, there’s always 2016.

        • idamag

          Ford, I live in Idaho and I have often said the same thing about Idaho.

      • Dol5


      • Red states go with Texas, read what they want to stand for NOT GOD and they will not get Minnesota I live there now and it will not fly here (Minnesota I think will go with red states within 1 or 2 years). I am moving back to North Dakota and let Minnesota swim in Obama sewer until they see the light Or Obamanation comes for their guns either the whole state will secede to the RED or Northern Minnesota will secede the South and Join North Dakota)there is a lot of great people here in Minnesota and the North has lots of churches and will not let Obamanation take God from them.

        • idamag

          Cathryna, what ivy league college did you say you graduated from?

    • holtjp

      Very well put, but it is always nice to remind everyone that 3-500,000 signatures in a Nation of over 300 million represents a very small percentage of our population. I think most people in Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma and all the other “rustic” states are smart enough to know they would flounder in a Red version of America. One point of concern, however, is the fact that a very large share of our military infrastructure is located in Red states.

      • Canadiangirl57

        That can be easily remedied, move them so that the feds don’t have to continue to support jobs in the red states.

        • Addditionally the top 10 states that pay more money to the Federal Gov’t than they get back are blue states. 8 out of 10 states that get more money from the Federal Gov’t than they pay to it are red states. These states would have to support themselves if they were to secede. This is a ridiculous idea started by some knuckle dragging neanthedals who voted against President Obama

          • BDC_57

            Ther just mad cause they lost.


          • Canadiangirl57

            One has to laugh when you see these things in writing, and it’s the blue states are the most “smoochers” right.

          • idamag

            Canada, no, it is the red states that such the most from the government (they hate) teats. The blue states pay for their welfare.

          • Canadiangirl57

            I know, I was being sarcastic!

      • Ed

        Yes, but they military posts are the property of the US government. We can relocate those troops, take that money out of their economies. Just as the deck of an aircraft carrier represents “Four and a half acres of United States Soilt.” So do the installations. We could auction the property off after taking the equipment.

        • FredAppell

          Don’t forget that we still have all those troops over sea’s too. If we ever had a major domestic crisis such as secession on our hands than we would close those bases as well and bring the troops to the new United States. So that would also put the new confederacy in a position of weakness.

        • holtjp

          In a case of secession, I seriously doubt it would be a simple matter of “we’ll take back all our toys and leave you on your own.” When Quebec was considering separating from Canada a lot of complicated planning took place on what defense resources would be removed and what would stay in Quebec. I am sure a seceding state would put a claim on 1/50th or larger of the defense establishment.

        • Del WS

          And how about if we make the people in ” red” seceded states have to get passports to come into any “blue” territory? And let the states who chose to leave pay for their own disaster recoveries and pay tolls on any federally funded highways. It’s pitiful to be so full of hate and so delusional that they don’t even realize all they’d lose by cutting themselves off from this country.

          • FredAppell

            We don’t want to make it too tough for those who really don’t want to stay in red states to come into blue states. Remember, they never asked for this. As a matter of fact, probably most of the secession supporters live in rural areas and they don’t much care to live in more developed places such as larger towns or cities. I live in a blue state with numerous small towns and when the topic of the nations crumbling infrastructure comes up, many of them say who cares because the infrastructure is too large to begin with. Their argument is moot but they are not going to change how they feel.

          • Seceding also solves the Social Security dilemna…
            Wouldnt they have to forfeit ?

        • It was paid by tax payer and belong to taxpayers so WE WILL KEEP IT

      • The Govenors in the states all became nervous and disclaimed that they will not secede…lol

        • They say that now, but when obamanation comes for the guns the game will change. Red states will kill any UN trying to enter and take guns.

    • nin phan

      You also get forced vaccination, mandated pharmaceutical care with no options to help with natural care, groping of your genitals at the airports by convicted pedophiles if you don’t want to subject yourself to equipment that WILL drastically increase your chances of getting cancer, internet spying bills, complete loss of civil liberties, loss of your rights to due process after arrest (NDAA), good luck with all that!

      • old_blu

        Vaccinations and groping those are some pros I didn’t know about thanks.

      • Ed

        Yeah all that crap that the Texan and the Montanan foisted on us to make us VERY Afraid.

    • Philip Weigel

      What about the midwest like North, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, Iowa and Nebraska? We don’t like the South either. Can we be the middle America and have all the jobs?

      • @philip Why would you want to go with them? I live here too, but would never go to the west coast life. I was born there and spent the first 30 years of my life there. They are all about drugs, murdering babies and raping and killing children all evil. They have no regard to God and love over taxing and stealing our money. If we don’t want to join Texas we can start our own country. I think it will work with us joining Texas as long as each new Republic makes it’s own laws for it’s way of life, the way the Constitution says. They are so drugged out they are lazy freeloaders. Trust me Philip you do not want to go there.

        • idamag

          I’ve seem dumb and dumber, but you are the dumbest. You must come from one of the two states with the highest illiteracy rate.

    • CCC

      Don’t forget, Florida can go but Orlando (Disney) and Miami (South Beach) are blue and they’re going with the ESA.

    • LMAO!!!!!!! Priceless…

    • PhysicsCarlsh

      It’s so much fun. The Old Confederacy gets Oak Ridge, Huntsville, Cape Canaveral, Los Alamos and the dwelling houses of the folks in DC.

    • And would you like a cherry on top????….ok…and come back when you are done throwing your ignorant, spoiled brat temper tantrum….you are soo dum…is irrittating.

      • Red states will never come back and will never look back on OBAMAVILLE

    • ritaramona

      I am in full agreement with your writings (even before I read them) Thank you You did a better job than I could have.I kinda feel sorry for the Red States…….(kinda)

    • Del WS

      Whoa! That’s good. Very good. Can you hear the applause? (But my hands aren’t so sore that I can’t sign up!)

    • So get the Hell out. Who cares !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Unae

      I too live in a red state and I am black to boot. So, I have to escape, maybe start a new Underground Railroad with the help from friends in the blue states. You know the red states will want to keep us for free labor, don’t you?

      • We are Liberals..@Unae..We got your back…..
        We love our Poor, Sick and Aged….and now we will be committed to arrange rescue from the Red States…
        after all, the Seals would also belong to U.S Blue….

      • THAT IS BS. you want to leave we will smile and wave good bye

        • idamag

          Cathryna, is that name Russian? Unless you have two heads, you are out of line to use “we.” I remember the words from an old WWI song, “If you don’t like your Uncle Sammie, if you don’t like the Red, White, and Blue, go back to where you came, whatever be its name, don’t bite the hand that’s feeding you.”

          When you are against the United States Government, you are unAmerican.

    • This is from a letter written by Dianne Self Wing. I only wish that I had been bright enough to scribe it. She pens a response from President Obama if he would decide to send one perhaps it would go like this:

      Dear Texans:

      I have received your petition to secede from the United States and have forwarded it to Congress who will act on it with their usual speed.

      All Military bases in Texas will be closed and personnel relocated to bases in the United States except for a contingency left to guard the Texas-US border.

      All Texas citizens holding a US passport is required to surrender it immediately. Entry into the US will require a valid Texas passport. Anyone staying longer than two weeks will have to obtain a visa.

      Funding for highways, transportation, bridges, infrastructure, education and medical facilities will cease immediately. Your representatives to the US congress are ordered to leave Washington as soon as possible. All licenses to do business are revoked.

      The FAA will no longer operate at your airports and air traffic controllers are terminated. All Federal Civil Service employees in the country of Texas are terminated.

      The FCC no longer operates so you will be responsible for licensing your own telephone, radio, television and Internet providers.

      Anyone receiving payments for Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and Disability will have to reapply and Congress will decide if foreigners are allowed to receive payments from the US Government.

      The Coast Guard will no linger operate in Texas waters so we suggest you form your own navy immediately to protect your borders against Foreign invaders, drug smugglers, terrorist, and illegal aliens.

      Good luck

      P.S. Attached is your portion of the bill for the national debt.

      • old_blu

        That is great and and funny, not only that but logical.

    • NickAllanMiller

      So lets split them. I’m a Libertarian trapped in a Blue State. If you would be soooo much better without the Red States, why are you mocking and arguing against the idea of succession? You seem to acknowledge the inherent flaws that come with central governance. If our nation is so radically split, why not just separate?

      • We do not have to split into 2, we can split into 2 to 5 different countries. We are way to divided that we can never be United ever again (thanks to terrorist, commie, obamanation. When the red states split we will see who is Racist, it will not be the red States. Gods people are not and never will be Racist. WE TAKE ALLEN WEST and all true god fearing Americans.

    • Dol5

      Good Grief, that was great! Makes me want to sign on. And I live in California, one of the bluest states. But since I am quite old, I might not live long enough to really see this come about. But anyway it is something to really think about. THANKS!

      • old_blu

        It’s only thanks to you and all the other blue states we can do this. So Thank You!

      • I have lots of family in California and they are not and never have been blue(I grew up Republican), I was born there. They are struggling trying to cope with the lost of that once great state and it saddens me to because I still feel like a Californian in heart. I loved my childhood there. I hated when I moved to Oregon when I was a teenager, they are awful there. California can stand by herself without joining with Oregon. I was treated bad in Oregon because they hate Californians and they are very racist and Californians are not. If the Dems would leave California alone she can be great again.

    • Jason Jones

      Sure go ahead. Good luck in producing your own food, factory produced products, Oil, Coal, Gas, Electricity, clothing products and pretty much everything else that winds up on the shelves in your local grocery mart. Your city may be blue, but the rest of your Democrat is state is republican and libertarian minded, they will be coming with us.

      • @JASON, Not sure what you meant, this thing are in Red states so I think you are saying they will lose a lot. Most farm land is red, because we know how to work.

    • Go and secede all you racist, sore redneck losers. Can’t stand a black man being your leader ? How pathetic can you be?

      • old_blu

        I’m sorry you miss understood me or you didn’t read the whole thing, but we are on the same side, cuz my side won.

      • It has nothing to do with race, I supported Herman Cain, Do you know why they picked on Herman Cain? because if we had him on the ticket they could not use the race card and OBAMANATION would have lost. I do not know if he is a womanizer, but that did not stop the DEMS with JFK and Clinton who womanized in the white-house.

    • “62% believe life is sacred unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun”
      And unless they, as did their Bush, send 4500 Americans to their death…Pro Life? ..right

      Only 17 of 50 states plus D.C. give more than they get back from the Government!
      The rest take back more than they give, mostly Red States, Hypocrites call lower income “takers” ..
      Romney said President was re-elected because he gave “gifts”, but will not admit a majority of Red states that voted for him are supported by the Government.
      DUH!!! The surprise…Texas was one of the 17 states..

      • old_blu

        You are absolutely right Linda, they are what is known as the takers, but they don’t know it.

  • Just one more reason why this loon will never reach higher office. There are far too many crazies in the country and this guy apparently wants to be the leader. Pathetic and irrelevant is no way to end your days on Earth.

    • BDC_57

      They think the world going to end.

  • Ron–You are dead meat! Your libertarian philosophy failed because you don’t frigging understand it. Try reading Andrew Galambos and Jay Snelsen’s works. You might find it interesting.

    • He understands it you are the dumb brainwashed zombies, is that a 666 on your forehead

  • Someone please show them the door. If they would just go on, we could replace them with the millions of illegals in this country who believe that it is time for the division to end and the people to come together to work out problems.

    I will never forget the campaign floor when a participant questioned the doctor on how his plan would assist sick and suffering Americans, including children, whose lack of healthcare was keeping them from getting treatment. The response coming from this medical doctor was silent when his supporters shouted, “LET THEM DIE!”

    • Canadiangirl57

      My my and I thought doctors are there to save lives. WOW!

      • Ed

        Well, that is why the doctor went into politics. He couldn’t stand saving people he didn’t think were fit to live.

  • latebloomingrandma

    Ron Paul, the guy always waving his copy of the Constitution around. Does he not realize that secession is treasonous? Personally, I think this idea of secession would make a great movie. Some great sceenwriter should come up with a plot. Comedy? Drama? Satire? Slapstick? Espionage? The possibilities are endless, but could demonstate how destructive and downright STUPID this talk is!

    • neece00

      It could be along the same line as Ghost Busters. The main fighters could all wear funny clothes and carry those funny bags on their back. I guess what I am saying is that the enemy is invisible.


      • idamag

        Cathryna (isn’t that Russian?), you, fascists have no right to mention the Constitution.

  • In what you quoted, Ron Paul does not take a position one way or the other on whether states should secede now. Perhaps the National Memo should be a bit more fact-based and less ideologically hyped. The impression left by the headline is misleading.

    He is simply saying that being a part of the United States should be voluntary. I agree with him.

    I don’t think there is anything close to a majority in any state favoring secession now. The petitions are merely a means of getting the Administration’s attention that these people are dissatisfied. The number is merely an arbitrary on the White House has set to give some response on popular petitions. Getting that number does not start a secession process.

    • Canadiangirl57

      And why dear Bill do tell that they want to secede? is it because of that “Black guy” in the white house?

    • Sand_Cat

      And if this doesn’t work, they can always get attention with “2nd Amendment solutions,” right?

      The insufferable arrogance exhibited by these morons is almost enough to dwarf their ignorance and bigotry.

      How many secession petitions were circulated by supposed America-hating liberals when George W Bush “won” the presidency, let the terrorists kill a few thousand of us, then lied us into a war with people who had done NOTHING to us and presented no serious threat to do so? Do you think we weren’t “dissatisfied”? Why is it that it’s the “patriots” and “true Americans” who want out when they don’t get everything they want?

      And – just like the last time – what is the noble cause that spurs this lesson in liberty and quotes of the Declaration of Independence? A member of my family who doesn’t share my views was more honest than you when he gave voice very eloquently to their motivation: “We’ve got a n***er in the White House.”

  • Ron Paul can go fly a kite,preferably in some other country if he doesn’t like it here.Lets hope he is at the republican bottom of the barrel where they got Mitt from.We do not need any more of this crap.

    • idamag

      Go away, Ron Paul, you are embarrassing yourself like Trump does to himself.

  • npeebles

    Let them go. Mexico would love to have Texas defend itself agains their takeover without US support.

    • idamag

      np, They would probably sneak over the border into the US illegally.

  • René Milan

    He is right, one is not free if one cannot secede. A republic is a body that has been formed freely by it’s constituents, and if it doesn’t allow members to opt out is has turned into an empire which the u.s.a. apparently did.
    Secession might be a good thing too. It will divide the u.s.a. into a halfway functional entity (blue states – like india) and a total basket case region (red states – like pakistan). Let’s just hope they don’t all kill each other during relocation.

    • awakenaustin

      This is just silly. He is not correct. There is nowhere in the concept of a republic the idea that members can just willy-nilly freely withdraw. Additionally, it wouldn’t be an empire as a result. A republic is not defined by how members join or how they un-join. Its central concept is a form of political representation. Republics aren’t even necessarily democratic. A republic or any other type of government can have an empire. Maybe you should look again at those concepts. His position is an insult to intelligence. Do we secede as individuals, local governments, state governments, or regions? What exactly is the “one” who is or that is free to secede? We had a Confederacy (Aritcles of Confederation prior to the U.S. Constitution) it didn’t work. We fought a war – the Civil War – which settled the issue of seccession and not in favor of its advocates. As long as humans remain social creatures the type of freedom he and other libertarians advocate will never and can never exist. The very existence of other humans circumscribes every other individual’s freedom.

      • René Milan

        Yes it is. Especially the india/pak comparison. After years of campaigning and deadlock i’m getting so tired of this whole business, that i experienced the urge to take that situation to the extreme. Unfortunately it wasn’t even funny, which goes to show the extent of my annoyment.
        I do believe though that empires conquer (no opting out), and that more evolved people and entities should be based on choice. Calling them “republics” was a sloppy and wrong choice of words.

      • If it was not our right to secede then why did West Virgina secede from Virgina? it is our constitutional right and our forefather seceded from England and it was accepted by them, YOU GET YOUR FACTS. My family did help with the Bill of rights (and signed it) and the Constitution and knew God was important to our survival and I will speak for them. I am 1000 times more American then you satin worshipers

        • awakenaustin

          I do love my satin. It makes the most delightful sheets. I know this is useless, but part of a State claiming independence from a State is not quite the same as a State seceding from a nation founded and organized by a constitution ratified by the State and 12 others. The U.S. Constitution which neither I nor my family wrote and signed, but I actually have read (several times) does not say anywhere that States may secede from the Union of all the States, i.e., the United States of America. Congratulations on your degree of Americanism. We did not secede from England, we rebelled against them. We were colonies then. Words and concepts actually have meanings independent of how some may chose to use them and it is important to try to use them accurately. Good luck in maintaining your equanimity.

  • Fairplay4

    Ron Paul vacillates between wisdom and insanity. At this point his wisdom switch off. Only the frail of mind would believe that Texas could be a viable independent country. Do they really want to set up Embassies all over the world and require the production of passports to travel in and out of Texas? Do they want to have their own currency. Do they want to set up a host of Government Agencies they now complain about to administer their Government? I don’t think so. The notion of an independent Texas is hogwash.

    • sn77339

      Living in Texas, I can tell you that what these secessionist loudmouths really want is to have no govt. at all, not just no Federal government. They want to be free to do whatever they want, and whenever they want, with no taxes, no rules, just guns and anarchy. Luckily, the big cities where the bulk of the population lives are mostly democratic, so the idea of Texas seceding is a joke and a non-starter. We just need to jettison everything east of US 59 and give it to Louisiana.

      • idamag

        sn, that kind of stuff is embarrassing to those, who are smarter, in Texas. We used to have the aryan nations in Idaho and I travelled in my job. People were identifying Idaho with nazis. Thank God for Morris Dees and the Southern Poverly Law for helping us get rid of them.

  • dee ranieri

    Some of us in Florida want to come too.

  • dee ranieri

    As long as we can leave Governor Scott and Defeated West (thank God) here!

  • nagena

    NUTTY! At least fruitcakes can make very good eating! Go & lie in a darkened room, for a further 40 years, Congressman Paul (or should that still be SAUL?) nagena

  • Budjob

    Hey Paul,Please secede and take the rest of the God Damn wacko nutjobs with you.You probably have the support of 99% of the people that live in the rational,sane,world!!!

  • howa4x

    I hope the red states do it! They are a drag on the economy, and now that they want to teach creationism along with science, will produce a group that is dumber than before. They have the worst health outcomes and lead in type II diabetes, and obesity , which will lead to heart disease and amputations, not to mention all the knees that will give way to the weight. Now that Obama care is setteled law, future corporations who must provide insurance to their workers, will go where the health outcomes are better Right now they get back more than they give, so they are on a state type dole.
    The blue states have the best education, medicine, technology, and most of the wealth. This is why the Koch bros have a summer home at the Hamptons on LI rather than a home on the gulf of Mexico. Plus as an added benefit we will get rid of all the religious zealots, racists, bigots, sexists, and anti enviornmental types. My only question is when are you going?

    • Trust me I want to go, but we are not religious zealots, racists, bigots, sexists, and anti environmental types, you are brain washed. It is God before Country, but at least we won’t get the mark of the beast (OBAMANATION) and have ever lasting life. We have respected you nonbelievers for decades, but you have crossed the line on our God and right. I have never shoved my beliefs on people and you have no right to take my GOD AWAY! MY GOD IS POWERFUL AND YOUR ANTICHRIST WILL NEVER WIN!

      • howa4x

        too late we won!!!!

      • idamag

        Cathryna (is that Russian?) if you had studied nazi Germany extensively, you would know that you are the type of person that hitler could recruit. He used hate and fear.

  • Budjob

    One other thing Ronny boy,you and your screwball son (Rand) can stick your so called libertarian principles up your bat shit crazy asses!!

  • deport those that want to secede to Mexico or any other country that will take them.


      • idamag

        Cathryna, (is that Russian) Pamela is a fellow citizen of mine and she is a citizen of the United States, you fascists have no right to tell her to leave.

  • BDC_57

    Nobody wants them their idiots.

  • Ron Paul is just an Absolute ‘RACIST”

  • Budjob

    Racist Sons a bitches,every damn one of them!!!

  • rpg1408

    “So long it’s been good to know you….”

    Woody Guthrie

  • bstockinger

    Ron Paul has no idea what he is talking about. He is simply an old man with racist ideas hiding behind a thin veneer of libertarianism. His ideas would mean nothing but misery and slavery for thousands.

  • The Union cause during the Civil War was right and noble because it was fighting slavery. Slavery and racial inequality by fiat were embedded in the constitution of every confederate state. Because of its devotion to slavery, the confederacy received negligable foreign support, which would have been valuable to its cause of independence. The confederacy didn’t even grant freedom to slaves who served in the army! It might have been in Canada’s interest to side with the confederacy as a foil to union expansionist ambitions, but instead we saw Canadians volunteering for the Union army. Historians debate whether slaveholding even made economic sense, yet southerners even perverted the doctrine in their schismatic Christian sects to quiet their consciences, and proposed to extend the institution westward.

    So what great moral crusade would animate sympathy for the federal government today? Unfunded mandates? The war on drugs? Snooping into everyone’s e-mail? The gulag? Standardized testing in schools? Prohibiting the sale of 100-watt light bulbs? Hahahaha– the emperor needs better clothes than that if he hopes to reign unchallenged. And I’m a blue-state liberal.

    • Sand_Cat

      Many of the same issues exist, i.e. the racism that motivates a good bit of this “movement.” The Feds are far from perfect, but I’ll take them over the government of Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, or just about any of the red states, and even some of the blue.

      • So will I, by and large. The world is too dangerous for us not to make a united stand when it comes to defense and foreign policy. But we need to assert some centrifugal forces as a counterbalance to the centripetal ones that inevitably develop. Those guys in Washington are usually far too arrogant, and we too docile. “The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.” So reads the Constitution of New Hampshire and, if I recall, several other States. They are not our bosses. We are theirs. They should tremble in their boots with every new law they consider adding to the books, lest they take one step too far and spark a rebellion.

      • Fine you take the mark of the breast and we take God

        • idamag

          Cathryna, (isn’t that a Russian name?) The Christian Church I grew up in taught love and caring and we used Jesus for a yardstick to live by. A person, as hateful and dogmatic as you, can’t be a true Christian.

  • Sierra111

    Maybe Paul doesn’t remember the Civil War? He can move to any country he likes – I think he would like the way Iran is run!

    • Better yet SOMALIA no big government there.

    • idamag

      Sierra, he wouldn’t do so good in Iran. He also believes drugs should be legal, we shouldn’t have to pay taxes and segregation was a good thing. He would lose his head over the drug thing in Iran.

  • viewfromthebottom

    Actually you are not free to secede – however you can leave and even renounce your citizenship if so inclined.

    • idamag

      View, and since racism is a festering poison in America, we would be better off if they did leave.

  • It is a relief that even in disagreement there is wisdom shining thru…the world is watching us, just like a virus , waiting for the moment to be weaken, so it can enter our territory and take over…thank you for your wise exemple. What ever happen to powerful , wise minds to work together, what happen do diologe….??????

    • old_blu

      Do you mean like the way the Republicans work with Obama?

    • idamag

      Ana, your idealism and the ideology of the tea party are at odds with each other. What wonderful things we could accomplish if all of congress would work together. Government is not a football game where winning is the goal. If they spend all their time fighting with each other, the country loses.

      Yes, ignorance and intolerance are weakening the nation.

    • @Ana The Real Red Dawn is coming and yes the Russians will be killing Americans. Don’t look for Obamanation to save you, because he is in on it. Obamanation wants us divided so his commie friends can come in and kill us all. If 20 to 30 states secede maybe we can stop them. This is written in the bible, research USA in the bible and there is a great chance OBAMANATION IS THE ANTICHRIST from my research. Any computer wiz out there just do this as proof for what I say. Take a picture of Bin Laden and Obama and put them together, they are a perfect match. Bin Laden died shortly after 911 (Bush I think knew). Bin Laden did not do 911 it was either our Government or Russia, because Obamanation was with Russia I would like to believe Bush did not do this, but it don’t look good for Bush to me. If it was our Government then we all have been played as a fool for decades by both sides.

  • Why relatively intelligent people think this old goat and his nitwit son have any credibility is beyond me.

  • Canadiangirl57

    On to another topic that is sure to finally bring joy to the people of Florida, Allen West has finally given up his fight to try and rob the people who voted to have his a.. kicked to the curb. Maybe now he can go get a job on Fox!

    • neece00

      fox news is where they all end up

      • they tell the truth, but that is not were I get my info, I use the brain God gave me

  • Del WS

    I have a better idea for Texas. What say we give it back to Spain? And maybe we could even throw in Florida!

  • Paul says “You’re Not FREE if you Can’t Secede from an Oppressive Government.” Actually you CAN secede from a government. Don’t like it here? You can pack your bags, renounce your citizenship, and move to a number of other countries.

    Then start talking badly about that nation and that government and see what happens!!

    • idamag

      No one is forcing him to live here.


      • idamag

        Cathryna (is that Russian?) You need to get a dictionary and us it. Also, your cyberyelling shows your ignorance.

  • The Supreme Court made two rulings in the 1800’s that essentially made secession illegal. Texas v. White in 1845 and another in 1877. In addition, there is NO PROVISION WHATSOEVER in the Constitution that allows a state nor a part of a state or states to secede and set up its own state or sovereign nation. Furthermore, when politicians take the oath of office, they pledge to “support and defend the Constitution”. Secession is considered “rebellion” in the eyes of the Constitution, which allows for the suspension of civil rights. Abraham Lincoln used that fact to arrest and detain Confederate sympathizers during the Civil War. Essentially speaking, the reason why politicians are not supporting secession is that they know it’s treason…the reported 750,000 people in this country who have signed the secession petitions (about .25% of this country’s population) should be mindful of that. The secessionists are a very loud and WRONG superminority in this country. It’s well past time to ignore these idiots….Finally, all of these people signing these stupid petitions is a much more palatable alternative than what one Texas moron (everything IS bigger in Texas, including the number of idiots and morons) suggested: taking up armed revolution against the country, which is treason and, if they’d have done it, would have resulted in their arrests for sedition (another word for treason). All of this because we re-elected the first African-American President in this country’s history. Our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves… and so are Abe, Teddy and Ike 🙁 ssmdh

  • Ron Paul has every right to secede–how about starting a colony on antartica for libertarians—there he could have all the liberty he wants with no interference and he could start his polar bear-penguin university for nut cakes–a good deal for all of us and all around-The civil war was necessary actually a sequel to the first revolution to finalze the constitutions its meaning–freedom and liberty for all of us and not just for slave owners and states interests and bigotry. Paul is an anachronism to be stuffed and placed in a musuem of natural history. Old saying: the whole is greater than its parts. Some parts are all worn out and need to be discarded as useless

  • We should grant the petitions on an individual basis. If you signed a peition you should forfeit your citizenship, your right to vote, all governmentbeneftis (G.I. benefits, social security, Medicare, FHA loans), and be placed on a terrorist watch list. You should recieve a one way ticket out of the country to a nation of your choosing and one that will have you. (Not a long list.)
    You should have to re-apply for citizenship and take a test. Keep in mind it took Robert E. Lee 115 years to get his citizenship back. Good luck.

  • We should grant the petitions on an individual basis. If you signed a peition you should forfeit your citizenship, your right to vote, all governmentbeneftis (G.I. benefits, social security, Medicare, FHA loans), and be placed on a terrorist watch list. You should recieve a one way ticket out of the country to a nation of your choosing and one that will have you. (Not a long list.)
    You should have to re-apply for citizenship and take a test. Keep in mind it took Robert E. Lee 115 years to get his citizenship back. Good luck.

    • People who voted for OBAMANATION are the terrorist. People like you just piss me off and you can move to Russia or other commie country and leave ours alone.

      • idamag

        You dumbass, (isn’t your name a Russian name)? Russia is not a Communist Country. It is a democracy. Fascist pig.

    • idamag

      Donald, you are right, when a person signs to secede he should forfeit his citizenship.

  • Sand_Cat

    Hey, let them! Would serve them right if the government gathered up the names and “seceded” them all from the union. Maybe they could send them all to gitmo and other oversees prisons where the Bill of Rights supposedly doesn’t apply until some country insane enough to let the US deport them there can be found! After all, their hero GWB signed laws allowing the government to revoke someone’s citizenship on a whim, and Obama hasn’t really been that far behind. Let them reap what they sowed!

    • old_blu

      I don’t think they have to sign their last name so there are 147 Bubba B’s on it.

  • Faithkills

    If secession is treasonous then the US was founded on treason.

    What ethical justification does one man have to tell another he MUST associate with him?

    All over the middle east we seem to think when people decide they want something other than their government and “whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it”.

    I’m unclear why the principle of government by the consent of the governed seems so arbitrarily and hypocritically applied. It seemed valid for India. It seemed valid for the US in the 18th century. It seems valid all over the middle east.

    What happened to make peaceful withdrawal of consent problematic? Anywhere or anywhen?

    May you decide you decline to accept your wife’s withdrawal of consent if she wants a divorce? Because you’re stronger than her?

    What about your employee? It’s surely inconvenient when they quit because they found a better wage, why can’t we just, you know, tell them you’ll put them in a cage if they try to actually EXERCISE their right of association?

    Will the US let Texas go? Lol of course not. It’s foolish to think men with tanks and bombers will ever let men with shotguns go free peacefully. But I see no ethical principle involved.

    • Justin Napolitano

      OK, so they secede and as soon as a hurricane comes along they will be looking for federal help. Texas has more dumb people, as a percentage, than any other state in the union. They are lucky we let them stay in the union.

      • Faithkills

        Sandy was a perfect example. It’s insane to think the feds could do a better job with the money New Yorkers pay to the feds than New York would if it had that money. Similarly if Staten Islanders taxes hadn’t been centralized into New York and US, it seems pretty damned unlikely they would have hung THEMSELVES out to dry like NY AND the feds did.
        If Texas is so ‘lucky’ then why are you so afraid to let them go?

        • By letting Texas go 20 to 30 more states will follow. most the oil, farmland and jobs. It is more than Texas, just other states are more figuring out what to do with Obamanation. There is 30 states with Republican Governors and most refuse Obamacare. Many states have already declared there Independence from the Government and why they don’t have to do what they say like Obamacare. When Obamanation comes for the guns they will secede right then and there and not let the feds or UN to enter their state. Red states will stick to the Constitution while Obamanation thinks he can shred it.

          • idamag

            Russian name, Obama is not coming for anyone’s guns. You paranoids are dangerous people.

      • idamag

        Justin, actually, the two states with the lowest IQs is Mississippi and Alabama. I forgot to look up Texas, but judging a state by what they sent to Washington in this generation, they can’t be all that smart. When their congressman apologized to BP for the gulf spill that spoke volumes.

    • That is why 20 to 30 states must secede together and only in Union for our safety. Each new republic will make there own laws and not a corrupt federal Government, like the Constitution meant. It is a reset back to the Constitution and God. We will be the true Americans that the Constitution intended us to be. You all are making this about Texas and it is about half or more America is so divided and can never be united as it is going now. We respected your rights not to believe in God and you cannot have the same respect to us. FREEDOM Of RELIGION is my God given right and Obamanation want God taken from us and we will not allow it. You people don’t understand the truth about what OBAMANATION is doing. I wanted to see Herman Cain take on OBAMANATION, but they had to shred the poor guy into pieces because they would not be able to brainwash people into thinking it was about race and it never has been. If a new republic want to legalize pot, their republic Government decides. If they want to deport or keep illegals, the new republic decides (Not the evil federal Government). You need to look at it is, not as Obamanation wants you to think. To me it is about God and Satin and I will always stand with God.

  • Chuck Haley


    • You ready to give up 20 to 30 states YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, you all can swim in OBANANATIONS SEWER and get your oil from OPEC, we will keep our own oil.

  • alumahead

    Does he plan on letting any of “the coloreds” in?

    • I do not think he is racist and race will not be an issue when we secede because most of us our Gods people and it would be a sin to judge someone by their color.

  • “Currently there are active petitions in support of secession for all 50 states, with Texas taking the lead in number of signatures.”

    As a Minnesotan, I am definitely in favor of the South seceding. Where do I sign?

    • shame on you Natalie, just wait to see what Minnesota has coming to you real soon. I live in Minnesota too and I am getting out of here. TAX TAX AND MORE TAXES, good luck with it.

  • Ron Paul is an idiot. Good riddance

  • It always amuses me when “libertarians” get all smug about how they’re the ones who TRULY value freedom, but then they turn out to be giant racists and homophobes. Pro tip: if you believe in regulating people’s sex lives and screwing people over based on race/sex/religion/etc, you DON’T value freedom. Not in the least.

    And this doesn’t change no matter how many rivers you want to allow rich people to dump toxins into.

  • from Australia, R. paul- the airbrushed photo stands out from here- time for you texas turkeys to meet the dinner plate. To be able to secede because you lost an election, demonstrates how unstable your ‘democracy’ reallly is. You produced the most divisive president in decades, yet try and deny a genuine, decent democrat. AND, texas, what human rights ? most executions, women most denigrated, most turkeys in power. Remember how dopey george w. ‘won’ his last election ?

  • This man is supported by the KKK, Stormfront, Nazis and other nefarious douchebags. Go home Wrong Paul!!! less than 1% of the south wants to secede so give it up!

    • Susan get your history right. KKK is the DEMS, The KKK killed Republican whites protecting the blacks too! We are not the racist, the Dems are just misleading you.

      • idamag

        cath, the more you post the dumber you sound. Quit while you are ahead.

  • Was he wearing his propeller beanie when he said this?

  • Justin Napolitano

    Secede, Ron Paul has succeeded in being a complete asshole.

  • Bob

    What ever this guy says is irrelevant to me except for his support of states secedeing, especially Texas. I go along with this 100%. I wish Texas would hurry up and do it soon so we can save all that money we’re wasting on them before we go over the fiscal cliff.

  • The Secession issue was settled in 1865 along with Nullification (now known as States’ Rights). These were affirmed by no less of a Liberal Activist Judge than Justice Antonin Scalia (who ranks somewhere to the political right of Tomas de Torquemada (Head of the Spanish Inquisition for any non-intellectual Republicans who may be lurking here) when he declared the unconstutionality of both issues.


      • idamag

        Cathryna (isn’t that a Russian name), you have shown your ignorance more than once on these boards. The Civil War started because the confeds fired on Fort Sumner.

  • Can’t we just hang this crackpot at last?

  • This is all Ayn Rand’s adolescent style runts (Atlas shrugged). Go to hell first and warm your heart a little, if possible. Then, come back and be a regular citizen.

  • you know, we can mock this all we want, but what if that was the way around this whole divided nation thing. Split up and let the competing ideologies demonstrate their supposed superiority. Whichever system seems best for you, join it.

  • This is great let them go there merry way . at least then we won’t have to worry about any of these idots becoming president as they would no longer be citizens of the USA.

  • That was awesome quotes….America is metamorphosing mentally faster than anyone would have imagined before the 2008 presidential election. This year has actually proved to many of us that not all that claimed to love this country actually want to be citizens of America…….they wanted their own country b’cos they lost the elections.

    • Obama is the Antichrist and he rigged the election. How can 1 district have over 60,000 more votes then possible AND THERE WAS MANY MORE. CHEATERS because most Americans can’t be brainwashed. Military votes did not count again CHEATERS. SO DON’T SAY WE LOST, OBAMA DID