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Secret DeSantis Bid To Ban Firearms At Party Enrages Gun Lobby

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a high-profile proponent of loosening firearm laws, tried to ban guns at an election event in downtown Tampa last year and blame the city officials for the prohibition, emails obtained by The Washington Post showed.

The Post reported that Republican governor's campaign sought to ban firearms from his re-election party at Tampa Convention Center on November 8 and — in an effort to deceive constituents — requested that the city take responsibility for the ban.

In an October 28 email, the safety and security manager of the convention center, Chase Finch, informed Tampa officials of DeSantis’ request and said that “DeSantis/his campaign will not tell their attendees they are not permitted to carry because of the political optics,” according to the Post.

The strange request — conveyed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE), which a DeSantis appointee leads — was due to “Republicans largely being in support of 2A and all,” Finch explained, referring to the Constitution’s Second Amendment.

“Basically it sounds like they want us to say it’s our policy to disallow firearms within the event space if anyone asks,” Finch added, noting afterward that the campaign had designated “deciding authority” to the FDLE, which didn’t rent the space for the event.

“I’m certainly not signing this without any sort of guidance,” Finch wrote, prompting a reply from Tampa’s administrator of development and economic opportunity, Nicole Travis.

“We are not saying anything about concealed carry. That is the responsibility of the renter. We follow State Statute that permits concealed carry,” Travis responded less than 30 minutes later.

The statute, which went into effect in 1987, granted the state authority to issue licenses to carry concealed weapons. Over 2.6 million licenses have been issued since then, the Post noted.

Travis followed up with another email, published by the Tampa Bay Times, saying, “Just to be clear, we’re not signing this.”

Finch wrote back to the FDLE afterward, informing the state police agency that a no-weapon policy at the event would leave the city in a “legal quagmire.”

“I understand the campaign does not wish to ‘restrict’ 2A for their event because of the optics, but if any guests asks, we will not say it’s TCC’s policy to disallow legal carry,” he said, rejecting the FDLE’s request.

Finch told the Post that firearms were ultimately permitted at the event, but guests had to pass through metal detectors stationed at the venue.

After the Post published its report, FDLE spokeswoman Gretl Plessinger denied the agency ever “request[ed] the venue restrict weapons at the direction of the Governor or campaign.”

“We recognize and value the rights of our citizens to legally bear arms,” Plessinger said, per the Times. “FDLE makes security determinations and based on security threats, FDLE encourages private and public venues to limit weapons when hosting the Governor and First Family at large events.”

DeSantis’ press secretary, Bryan Griffin, sought to distance the governor, who the National Rifle Association gave a 100% rating in November, from potential fallout after the Times’ story, saying, “the governor strongly supports the constitutional right of Americans to bear arms.”

The Democratic governor of California, Gavin Newsom, slammed DeSantis, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, for an “astonishing” display of hypocrisy.

An activist for gun violence prevention, Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter Jamie Guttenberg was one of 17 students killed by a gunman in the 2018 parkland school shooting, said DeSantis was "a fraud and he should be treated that way."

“The tough guy act covers for a small, weak, and weird man. His decision to be ok with others being at risk of gun violence but not him and to try and cover that up? WEAK!” Guttenberg tweeted Saturday.

Lambasting DeSantis, Shannon Watts, a gun safety activist and founder of the gun control advocacy group Moms Demand Action, said that “the hypocrisy of “the dangers of unregulated guns for thee but not for me” is next level.”

“Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis caters to an extremist, MAGA Republican base by pushing permitless carry while having the privilege to keep those same armed extremists at a distance,” Watts wrote in a tweet.

The Post noted that DeSantis had a taste for events requiring guests to pass through metal detectors, a habit that had not escaped the notice of gun owners. The chairman of Alachua County’s GOP, Tim Marden, told the Post he had passed on attending a DeSantis fundraiser in October because the governor had insisted on installing metal detectors at the event.

“In my thinking, it was a little hypocritical to have this measure in place for law-abiding citizens at a time when a lot of folks in the gun community will condemn a Democratic politician for having a security force,” Marden said.

Republican Liberty Caucus chair Bob White told the Times that DeSantis’ masquerading could cost him the support of gun lovers across the country and, thus, his shot at becoming the GOP’s 2024 presidential nominee.

“I think it’s entirely possible, if not even likely, that he will lose support within the Second Amendment community if he doesn’t take a really bold position right now,” White said.

Supreme Court of the United States

Supreme Court Sets Stage For ‘Guns Apocalypse’ With Concealed-Carry Case

Reprinted with permission from Alternet

Legal experts are issuing warnings after the U.S. Supreme Court announced Monday it will take up a major Second Amendment case, its first in a decade – and warning of a "guns apocalypse," given the extremely conservative makeup of the Court.

"This case is likely to pave the way to the Supreme Court declaring a constitutional right to concealed public carry, overriding many state and local restrictions on the ability to bear concealed arms in public," Slate's Mark Joseph Stern writes.

In theory what that might mean is not only an explosion of people carrying guns, but people carrying guns that you cannot see – until it's too late. It quite literally is the Republican Party's dream.

Vox's Ian Millhiser warns "The Supreme Court guns apocalypse is now upon us."

The case is New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Corlett. Millhiser says the Supreme Court's ruling in the case, which would come in about a year from now, "could transform the judiciary's understanding of the Second Amendment and lay waste to many of the nation's gun laws."

In short, he says, it "could make the NRA's dreams come true."

The case, as Millhiser describes it, focuses on a 108-year old New York State law that requires anyone who wants a gun to obtain a permit, and to show "proper cause," in other words, to prove they have a need for it. Someone "who merely wants to carry a gun, because of a general belief that it would be useful if they are ever the victim of a violent crime, cannot obtain a license."

The Second Amendment has just 27 words: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 6-3 "Trump Court" is more than likely to strike down the New York law.

"Indeed," Millhiser writes, "Corlett could potentially dismantle more than a decade of judicial decisions interpreting the Second Amendment, imposing prohibitive limits on lawmakers' ability to reduce gun violence."

To paraphrase Oprah, "And you get a gun, and you get a gun, and you get a gun."

Here's what some other legal experts are saying:

Former DOJ prosecutor:

Law professor, Georgia State Law:

Former US Attorney, now MSNBC/NBC legal analyst and law professor:

Slate's Stern (quoted above), author of "American Justice 2019: The Roberts Court Arrives":

Attorney, politics and law reporter at NY's Fox5:

Rep. Lauren Boebert

Rep. Boebert’s Faked ‘Glock’ Video Sparks Twitter Firestorm

Reprinted with permission from Alternet

Newly-elected Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) found herself at the center of controversy following the release of her latest campaign-style video ad. In the video, Boebert claimed she is going to "carry my Glock to Congress" to highlight her defense of Second Amendment rights.

In the clip, Boebert said, "Even though I now work in one of the most liberal cities in America, I refused to give up my rights, especially my Second Amendment rights. I will carry my firearm in D.C. and in Congress."

"I walk to my office each morning by myself," Boebert says. "So as a five-foot-tall, 100-pound woman I choose to protect myself legally, because I am my best security."

Twitter users quickly fired back with critical reactions to Boebert's video. One Twitter user slammed Boebert's clip tweeting, "'I'd like to thank [Lauren Boebert] for this excellent free footage that she's just provided us to slice & dice & use to show America why, since the GOP has been overtaken by radical nuts like her, it can't be trusted w governing power."


Another user also tweeted arguments suggesting Boebert is not exactly the epitome of a law-abiding citizen. That user said, "Lauren Boebert has been arrested four times and is under investigation for "unlawfully providing a handgun to a juvenile" who worked at her Colorado restaurant. She was with her husband when he was arrested for exposing his penis to a minor. Not exactly a law-abiding gun owner."






According to The Washington Post, Boebert's "own staff later admitted that the video had deceptively portrayed Boebert as carrying her handgun with her as she walked through the streets of Washington, D.C. In fact, she had not, since that would've violated D.C.'s strict laws limiting the carrying of concealed weapons."

Kansas Colleges Prepare For Gun-Toting Students

Kansas Colleges Prepare For Gun-Toting Students

By Dion Lefler, The Wichita Eagle (TNS)

WICHITA, Kan. –– As Kansas moves toward a time when guns will be as welcome on university campuses as laptops, students are starting to take notice and talk about how they’ll handle that day when it comes.

For many, it’s no big deal. For students who grew up in a largely rural state, surrounded by guns, having the student at the next desk carrying one in pocket or purse doesn’t feel particularly unfamiliar or uncomfortable.

Others are predicting disaster when any student or employee over 21 can carry concealed on campus, without a permit or training in how and when to deploy a deadly weapon.

The Students Advisory Committee, made up of student-body presidents from all state universities, has invited all students in the system to take a survey to gauge attitudes toward guns on campus. Results aren’t expected until sometime next month.

But it has stirred a new interest among students who, until now, have been mostly silent on the subject.

Interviews at the system’s three major campuses – University of Kansas, Kansas State and Wichita State – found a range of opinions.

The biggest pushback against concealed carry so far has been at KU, where vocal student activists have demanded a gun ban on campus as part of a list of demands for more diversity and “safe spaces” for students, especially minorities, to pursue their education.

Students’ thoughts on guns appear to break down into three broad categories:

Hard-liners: The strongest supporters of concealed carry, they say carrying a gun at the university is their inviolable constitutional right. They often channel the National Rifle Association’s assertions that guns on campus will make everyone safer from the kinds of mass shootings seen at colleges in recent years, because there will be more people on hand to shoot back.

That’s a view represented by Austin Gilpin, a Wichita State freshman from Pratt majoring in communications.

“I’m very supportive of the (concealed carry) legislation,” Gilpin said. “I think it’s time the good guys can defend themselves on campus.”

“I’m pro-it,” said Robert Himelrick, a sophomore in mechanical engineering who commutes to Wichita State from Bel Aire. “I don’t like regulations. If somebody wants to do something, they can do it.”

Doomsayers: These students are convinced that guns on campus will lead to more deadly violence and an escalation in danger to everybody. They echo the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence and argue that more weapons on campus won’t have any effect on mass shooters, but could lead to deadly escalations of ordinary college conflicts.

Testifying to that view is Madelyn Johnson, a psychology and Spanish major finishing her degree this year at Kansas State. She said she’ll be gone before concealed carry takes effect, but she worries about her younger sister, Cassie, a sophomore.

A former intern for state Sen. Oletha Faust-Goudeau of Wichita, Johnson contacted the senator and university administrators about how she can oppose concealed carry on campus.

“I don’t think it’s fixing the problem (of campus shootings), it’s just amplifying it,” she said. “K-State is my home and I don’t want that to be any part of it.”

Leaners: These students can go either way on the issue, but worry that the devil’s in the details. They don’t necessarily oppose concealed carry per se, but often express concern over the lack of a training requirement and worry that the rules on who can carry and where may be too lax.

Kevin Dice, 20, a computer science major at K-State, said he doesn’t have a problem with the concept of concealed carry, but he worries about “people who look at this as an opportunity to carry a gun just for the sake of carrying a gun,” and he thinks training and a permit should be required.

It probably won’t matter much what students think. The decision forcing universities to allow guns on campus was made by the state Legislature in Topeka. The Board of Regents and university administrations are charged with writing policies to accommodate the law.

In 2012, the Kansas Legislature passed the Personal and Family Protection Act, requiring that concealed-carry permit holders be allowed to carry their weapons in almost all public buildings. This year, the Legislature followed up with a bill revoking the permit requirement and allowing anyone who can lawfully own a gun to carry it loaded and hidden without a permit or training.

To ban guns in any particular building, a public agency has to provide “adequate security measures to ensure that no weapons are permitted to be carried into such building.”

Adequate security is defined in the law as “use of electronic equipment and personnel at public entrances, “including, but not limited to, metal detectors, metal detector wands or any other equipment used for similar purposes.”

The Legislature allowed universities to keep banning guns on their campuses until July 1, 2017, to give them time to adjust to the new requirements.

The regents have circulated a draft policy that would ban open carrying of firearms, which the regents are still allowed to do, while allowing concealed carry, which they have no choice but to accept.

The policy will identify campus locations where guns won’t be allowed and the security measures necessary to ban guns while complying with the law.

Among provisions in the draft policy:

  • Each university will have to provide secure storage for guns –– possibly at the university security office –– for when students with guns have to enter a secured area where guns aren’t allowed.
  • Students who live on campus and don’t want to put their guns in the secure storage would have to provide their own means of locking up their weapons in their dorm rooms when they’re not carrying them.
  • Gun carriers wouldn’t be allowed to display their firearms, except while transferring them from storage to concealment on their person, except in those instances when it is necessary for self-defense.
  • Attendees at sporting events, who now go through a relatively light bag search at the entry gate, will probably have to go through a full metal-detector screening in the future to get into the stadium or arena. A ban on guns would have to be noted on the event ticket.

UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS

Gun control is a front-and center issue for the group Rock Chalk Invisible Hawk, campus activists at KU who recently presented a list of demands to the university administration that they say would make campuses safer and more inclusive.

Katherine Rainey, a senior from Shawnee, said the group plans to speak to lawmakers “and letting them know that KU is pretty much in opposition to conceal and carry on campus.” Rainey, who is studying psychology and anthropology, said bringing the demand to the university first was a way to spur university officials to also take up the matter.

Kennedi Grant, a junior from St. Louis who also is involved in the group, said marginalized students feel danger on campus already without concealed weapons and that “adding that to the mix will only cause more chaos.”

Grant, a journalism student, said allowing concealed firearms on campus increases the likelihood of a shooting. “It’s not even a matter of if anymore, it’s become a matter of when,” she said.

Some students unaffiliated with the group also raised concerns about school shootings, but offered a mix of opinions on whether allowing concealed firearms would put KU at greater risk.

Sarah Lewis, a freshman studying applied behavioral science originally from Texas, said allowing concealed weapons on campus “kind of makes me uncomfortable.”

If it is allowed, she said she’d prefer that guns be out in the open where people would know who has them.

“I would definitely at least have it be open carry, but I prefer no guns at all,” she said.

Carlos Montoya, a sophomore from Shawnee, on the other hand, said he thought guns on campus could make the campus safer if a school shooting did occur.

“I guess with school shootings becoming a more prevalent thing in today’s society, it’s good to have that protection on campus,” said Montoya, who is studying biology. “So I don’t have a problem with it.”

However, Montoya said he probably would not choose to carry a gun if doing so becomes allowed on campus.

KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY

K-State students expressed mostly nuanced views centered more on how guns might be used if allowed on campus.

“I appreciate the ability to protect myself,” said Johnny Monroy, an Army veteran and mechanical engineering student. “As long as it’s done responsibly, it’s fine.”

Monica Brich, a freshman from Shawnee majoring in mass communications, said she thinks guns on campus is a bad idea, mostly because too many college students also party and drink.

“It’s easy to make stupid decisions when you’re drunk,” she said.

She said she doesn’t see the necessity for guns, especially in the hands of “people who have no idea what they’re doing.”

“This campus is pretty safe without having concealed carry,” she said.

WICHITA STATE UNIVERSITY

While KU and K-State are in the college towns of Lawrence and Manhattan, Wichita State is in an urban area.

And while KU and K-State students tend to think of the classroom mass-shooting scenario first, some Wichita students raised the issue of personal protection in the context of getting to and from their cars.

Development has reduced the parking on the main Wichita State campus and pushed students to side streets. A student was shot to death this summer in the parking lot of the Fairmount Towers dorm, the first fatal shooting on campus since 1993.

Morgan Anderson, a junior in marketing, said she lives off campus and worries about being victimized by crime.

“We keep a gun in our house and I feel more safe and secure,” she said.

Gilpin said he thinks concealed carry “would be a deterrent,” keeping off-campus criminals from targeting students.

John Bardo, president of the university, said he thinks the crime concerns are overblown and that students don’t have to park on the street if they don’t want to. He said parking is usually available on campus, but students don’t want to pay for the permit.

“That’s a choice, not a mandate,” he said.

He suggested frugal students should use the free parking and shuttles provided.

And while students interviewed at Wichita State seemed to be the most gun-friendly of the three main state universities, there is still substantial opposition to concealed carry.

“I think it’s a horrible idea,” said Kaylee Rasmussen, a freshman studying art education. “I don’t think you should have no training and then just be able to carry a weapon wherever you want to.”

She said even in during a mass-shooting, more guns wouldn’t help. She envisions a situation where “they try to shoot each other and end up shooting the entire class.”

Michelle Duft, a junior who has worked in retail and returned to campus to get a teaching degree, said she’s also worried about crossfire.

Concealed carry “may deter a lone gunman, but it might also be chaos,” she said. “Nobody’s going to know who’s carrying, so how are we going to know who’s going to be shooting at who?”

(Bryan Lowry contributed to this report.) (c)2015 The Wichita Eagle (Wichita, Kan.)Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.

Photo: A committee made up of student body presidents from Kansas state universities has invited all students in the system to weigh in on a survey to gauge attitudes toward guns on campus. Results are expected sometime next month. (Mike Hutmacher/Wichita Eagle/TNS)