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The Civil War Continues: Rand Paul Calls Chris Christie ‘The King Of Bacon,’ Christie Rejects Beer Date

July 29, 2013 2:05 pm Category: Memo Pad, Politics 96 Comments A+ / A-
The Civil War Continues: Rand Paul Calls Chris Christie ‘The King Of Bacon,’ Christie Rejects Beer Date

The war of words between two early frontrunners for the 2016 GOP presidential nomination is escalating.

Back in June, Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) took a not-widely-noticed potshot at New Jersey’s Republican governor, Chris Christie, over his “not very conservative” choice of holding an unnecessary special election.

Apparently the governor was stewing for weeks because last week, he had no qualms about calling the junior senator from Kentucky “dangerous.”

“This strain of libertarianism that’s going through parties right now and making big headlines I think is a very dangerous thought,” Christie said on Thursday at a Republican forum in Aspen, Colorado. “You can name any number of people and [Paul is] one of them,” he said.

“These esoteric, intellectual debates — I want them to come to New Jersey and sit across from the widows and the orphans and have that conversation. And they won’t, because that’s a much tougher conversation to have,” he continued.

Paul blasted back at the governor through his Twitter account:

Over the weekend, Paul stepped up the rhetoric even more.

“The people who want to criticize me and call me names, they are precisely the same people who are unwilling to cut the spending,” Paul said at an event in Franklin, Kentucky, according to CNN affiliate WKRN-TV.

“They are ‘Gimme, gimme, gimme all my Sandy money now.’ Those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not allowing enough money be left over for national defense.”

The battle over aid for Sandy, which was delayed by House leadership at the end of the last congressional session, led to Christie and other area Republicans blasting their own party for playing games with disaster relief.

Paul’s comments are particularly hypocritical, given the amount of government assistance his state gets from the region most affected by Sandy.

“For every dollar Kentucky sends to Washington in federal taxes, it gets back between $1.51 and $1.82 in federal spending, depending on which study is consulted,” the Lexington Herald-Leader‘s John Cheves reported in 2010. “Other states — mostly in the Northeast and Midwest — subsidize Kentucky by paying more in taxes than they get in return.”

Kentucky ranks 13th out of the 30 states that take in more than they give to the federal government, where New Jersey is the nation’s 3rd biggest donor state, according to 2011 analysis by The Economist.

In 2010, less than a week after he won his seat, the senator-elect completely reversed his stand and said he would fight for earmarks to help Kentucky. Rejecting “wasteful earmark spending” was a centerpiece of his campaign.

On Monday, the senator directly took on Christie’s comments invoking 911 directly.

“It’s really, I think, kind of sad and cheap that he would use the cloak of 9/11 victims and say, I’m the only one who cares about these victims. Hogwash,” Paul said on Monday on Fox News. “If he cared about protecting this country, maybe he wouldn’t be in this ‘give me, give me, give me all of the money’ that you have in Washington or don’t have and he would be more fiscally responsive and know the way we defend our country.”

“I think it’s not very smart. (Christie) may have heard that, you know, the republican party is on life support in the Northeast. Republicans are in danger of becoming an endangered species,” Paul said. “It’s not smart for Republicans to be attacking Republicans, but I would remind him that what is dangerous is to forget that we have a Bill of Rights, to forget about privacy and give up on all of our liberty that you have to live in a police state.”

Senator Paul has led the GOP pack in recent polls from Iowa and New Hampshire, the crucial first two states to weigh in on the 2016 presidential nomination. He will likely vie with Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) for the support of the more libertarian populist wing of the party.

Though Paul leads the polls in Iowa, Christie was the only Republican candidate in a recent Quinnipiac poll of Iowa who had net positive ratings with Democrats, Republicans and independents. Paul was not included in that poll.

With just under three years to go until the 2016 primary begins in earnest, it looks like the 11th Commandment once quoted by Ronald Reagan — Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican — shalt not be in effect.

UPDATE: Christie responded to Paul’s comments Tuesday by pointing out that Kentucky receives a lot of “pork-barrell spending.”

UPDATE: On CNN Tuesday, the war continued. “This is the king of bacon talking about bacon,” Paul said. “What does he want to do, shut down military bases in Kentucky?”

NOTE: Kentucky has two military bases. New Jersey has eight.

UPDATE: On Wednesday afternoon,Rand Paul reportedly asked Chris Christie to get a beer. “I think with Governor Christie, it’s gotten a little too personal, so let’s kiss and make up,” the senator said.

UPDATE: The Washington Post’s Post TV has put together a fact check of the feud.

UPDATE: Christie has turned down Rand Paul’s offer to get a beer, claims he doesn’t “really have time for that at the moment…” But he will look the senator up when he gets to Washington, D.C.. The governor also suggested that Paul was using the Christie brand to get attention.

ABC News’ Rick Klein explains that this little spat is beginning of what a battle for the future of the Republican Party looks like.

Photo: Mark Taylor via Flickr.com 

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  • Lynda Groom

    The Senator should not be wasting his time in a pissing contest. There are some real pressing issues that the Senator should be spending his time upon. The same can be said of the Governor. Both need to grow up and stop this nonsensical waste of time and effort.

    • Eleanore Whitaker

      My only real problem with Christie as a New Jerseyan is his denial of climate change and his too close ties to Big Businesses. Other than that, like our President, he tried. But, unfortunately the tides of greed at present are like tsunamis and when money in the hands of too few is that powerful you just know the entire country is headed for a fall. It happened before and it will happen again.

    • kanawah

      That is the only thing they have to do at the moment.
      If they are taking pop shots at each other, they cannot be annoying the people.

    • LotusJoan

      Actually the things that the Senator is likely to be spending his time on if he were not fighting with Christie frighten me. He would be working to end public education, a women’s right to choose, air and water standards, left to his own devices the Senator gets up to some crazy S#!%.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Shhhhh!

  • NCSteve

    And Ayn-Boy is free to taunt the karma gods this way because Kentucky, above all states, is totally immune to natural disasters. Never a flood or a tornado does it see. Nope, it’s not like the state is a three quarters surrounded by big-ass rivers and covered by smaller rivers and creeks.

    • Allan Richardson

      With Hatfield “terrorists” right across the border!

    • kanawah

      There is an occasional tornado, and there is some serious river flooding. I have lived through some of the floods, and they are devastating. But with the likes of Randy representing us, about all he would give the people is a TS button.

      • NCSteve

        Born and raised there. My grandmother’s house was hit by a tornado in the 1990s.

  • AlfredSonny

    The more Rand opens his mouth, the more worried we, the true Americans, are of his ignorant followers.

    • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

      Too true! Case in point- I have a neighbor who is a firefighter (union member, the whole bit) in a medium-sized northeastern city. He is a rabid tea party libertarian who practically worships Rand Paul (and his father). He blathers on about the need to cut taxes to the bone. I recently asked him where he gets his (not insubstantial) paycheck from, and he answers “From the city!” I asked where the city gets the money to pay him, and the police, and the school teachers, and the public works employees, and all of the others who make the city viable. You can see the light begin to go on, ever so slowly. I ask if it were not for the taxes we all pay, who would provide for the common good? Or more to the point, where would his paycheck come from?

      • AlfredSonny

        Yea, it is very sad that there are so many people out there like your firefighter neighbor. They dont realize that they are shooting in their own feet.

      • Mark Forsyth

        Reminds me of the old man I spoke to some years ago who thought that the best way to eliminate the seasonal deluge of fires in California was to cut down all the trees and brush and then pave everything with blacktop.
        I just do not know how some people get into that type of thinking.

  • Eleanore Whitaker

    They invented the “y’all” and the swagger and the drawl…and that’s about all. Rand Paul has NO idea anymore than McConnell how people in other states live, work or exist. KY is a no man’s land of male domination. You can tell a KY male by his need to dominate everything within his purveyance.

    Rand Paul is not going to win against Christie in this word of words for one reason…Christie was a Bush appointed US Attorney. Rand Paul is small potatoes when it comes to public debate. Someone with Christie’s legal background can chew Paul up and spit him out and let the vultures feed on Rand Paul’s remains.

    • progressiveandproud

      Oh, if only we can watch.

      • Eleanore Whitaker

        The righties have no basis in fact for validation. This is why they never win in any rational argument. Their way is to couch everything in fear and desperation. Now, I ask you….What kind of free democratic society would EVER want to live in a constant deep, dark well of fear and desperation? World Civilization history shows clearly when one sector of a society imposes that fear and desperation, it ends in revolt. That’s a natural human reaction to misery.

        I consider the right wing to be the original “Miserables.” They live in some bizarre Goth world of Doom and Gloom they hope they can impose on everyone around them. No thanks…Don’t invite me to that Misery Party they are hosting.

        • Mark Forsyth

          They do a pretty good job of marketing their fear message.Notice the cable program DoomsDay Preppers.I sure wouldn’t want to live in that mindset.

          • Eleanore Whitaker

            I’m probably a lot older than you. I’m a born and bred 60s free bird. Here’s an example of how misguided conservative fearmongering can be. In 1954, during the hatchet jobs days of the Cold War and McCarthyism, fear was manufactured more than bullets. We cowered under our school desks every week practicing air raids. You can imagine how this affects young children. Yet, what we didn’t see then was “why” they were pushing the fear like a baby carriage on steroids. It was to promote another war…the one that would take many of my high school friends..Viet Nam. So, yes. we dared to flout the old guard then and we continue to do it now. Because we know back room agendas are often deliberately skewed to help a tiny segment of Americans to greatest possible wealth. Why do people my age continue to do battle with the old guard mentalities? For no reason other than to insure our children have a free world in which to grow up.

          • Mark Forsyth

            I was born in ’52 and am now 61yoa.I remember how often during those early school years I visited the area beneath my desk and feel confident in saying that we both lived through the upheavals of the sixties and early seventies.Sometimes I think that I would like to curtail my activism,but there seems to be no quarter where I can relax my guard for very long.Especially during the current resurgence of corporate fascism.
            Though I remain concerned and it does seem at times as though the cards are stacked against us,I believe that in the long run we will prevail,daunting task and all.

    • dalnb

      Annemd: (2 hours ago) Here is one of the contributors comments I was referring to: an honest opinion made in a responsible way without criticizing another commenters opinion!

  • Dominick Vila

    Rand Paul is doing what most politicians do when they run for higher office, he is launching an early pre-emptive attack against a likely opponent using something that he knows will energize the conservative base, that is, the appreciation expressed by Christie for the help and commitment promised by President Obama immediately after hurricane Sandy devastated coastal areas in New Jersey. No big deal, I don’t expect either of these guys to be the GOP nominee in 2016 and, if one of them is, he would be a sacrificial lamb for whomever the Democratic nominee happens to be.

    • dalnb

      You may be right: as a Republican though who has voted twice for Obama I am looking for a sound and reasonable republican this time. I generally vote for the person I feel is best for the job; in Obamas run against McCain my backing changed when Palin was announced as McCain’s second. In the last election I felt Obama :may have” been a far better president than his achievements suggested but that I felt was the undying effort by people like Karl Rove, Mitch McConnell and their followers to create failure for Obama . That effort nit only created problems for the Obama Administration but severely hampered any early recovery fro our national problems. It did not take long to see Romney as a person who had more interest in himself than in the country.
      With that said – I am sorry the Republican Party could not come up with a better candaite to run against Obama. Although I did bote for him I am terribly disgusted ith the job he is doing in Washington. One of the things we learned in the military years and years ago is that talk does not get the job done – Obama is a living example of that!

  • turtlewoman1039

    “They are ‘Gimme, gimme, gimme all my Sandy money now.’ Those are the people who are bankrupting the government and not allowing enough money be left over for national defense.”

    Yep, this gubmint is being bankrupted by everything BUT national defense (and tax give aways to the corporations / wealthiest…)…. Because we spend so much on infrastructure, education, a TRUE green energy transition, public transportation….

    All that $$$ on national ‘defense’, NSA domestic spying and DHS, FBI, NSA couldn’t even anticipate / stop 2 guys with a pressure cooker.

    • Harold L. Harris, Sr.

      Funny you mentioned the failure to catch the two kids in Boston, because the day before that I was looking for something on line about bomb making. Not to use however, but I was trying to fine out how to spell a word about the debris thrown from the explosion. I became fearful that I would be contacted concerning my search, but alas I was not. Now this explosion over the NSA’s watching our every move is now in focus for me from a real point of view. They didn’t search me out because what I was doing had nothing to do with Terror but could have. We need to accept that what they do is watch people being contacted by known enemies of the US from outside the US. Now, I know that was as clear as mud! LOL But because we are a freedom loving people, they are not watching our every move, just suspicious activity that link us with someone from overseas. Now the Boston thing does open the door that home grown terrorist does exist and maybe we should be looking at some people at home as well. I do know that I will not be looking online for anything that’s associated with bombs and maybe not even a pressure cooker. LOL

      • Allan Richardson

        I had the same feeling a few years back when writing a novel (not yet published because it uses some of Asimov’s characters in a new story) and did some searches about the geography of the TMI and Harrisburg area, for a chapter involving a disaster at that site 3000 YEARS in the future: what if the Bush administration’s CIA or NSA noticed my google searches about the subject? And tied that in with my record of working in the Gore and Kerry campaigns?

  • Mary Ann Hoogeveen

    No wonder the GOP is in the toilet when it is said that Rand and Christie are the front runners for the GOP in the 2016 president elections.

  • Annemb

    So, in a response to Chris Christie, Rand Paul states “…I worry about the danger of losing that freedom. Spying without warrants is unconstitutional.”

    Well Rand Paul … How about the war against women that the Tepublicants have voted for, and the voter suppression – both actions which are unconstitutional? and the Gerrymandering? Oh, and let’s not forget the sequester and austerity which you all have inflicted on the American people, taking away food stamps, etc., etc., while you continue to take time off while collecting their salaries and health insurance paid for by taxpayer money.

    Check out the plight of the red states, Mr. Paul!

    • jointerjohn

      He is referring to what he considers everyone’s constitutional right to starve to death. Whenever guys like him use the word “freedom” watch out. I would love to see two candidates like he and Christie campaign against each other. Our side cannot afford the air-time so destructive of the republican party that they would purchase.

      • Annemb

        A wonderful post!

        Thanks … and blessings.

      • chicano2nd

        That is so true! Somehow getting the words and acts they use against each other out there for the political impact in the way big money can would be priceless.

    • dalnb

      You may have noticed but if not watch Rand Paul the next time he is on any committee conducting an inquiry or investigation. Rather than conduct an interrogation or interview he continually makes accusations and implies an answer before he asks the question!
      His interest seldom seems to be in obtaining facts but more like attempting to move a decision toward his own desires . His career will be short if he does not get beyond his :better than most” attitude!

      • Annemb

        You are exactly correct in your observation! Rand Paul does exactly that! He has his own agenda and world view and is above all. Everyone else is beneath him.

        Remember what he said to Secy of State Hillary Clinton before questioning her — that if he were president ,,, He is disrespectful of everyone who thinks / believes differently from him.

        Great post and blessings…

        • dalnb

          Thank you Anne; For the past 6 years (+/-) we have been under siege by the radical side of the Tea Party who has pushed some of the worst possible candidates’ for election. It seems the Tea Party seeks out candidates that are ready and willing to follow the Tea Party’s radical agenda rather than represent their contiuens and work toward the best interests of ALL of America.
          The Tea Party gathered a huge following with its philosophy and its national mobilizing movement and in the meetings I attended I felt a surge of encouragement, support and patriotism from what I was hearing. However, as time went on it became clear the Party was selling the party organization but not the party intent. Some of the men and women the Tea Party backed were good candidates but the majority of them were defiantly followers and without Tea Party money would never be elected. Unfortunately some Tea Party candidates did get elected and just like our President now they have shown a strong ability to talk but little ability to make real sense. Rand Paul is the perfect example of this.
          I was a Police Officer, a Criminal investigator, a State Law Enforcement Academy Instructor, and a short time as a traffic judge (all local and state) and a Supervisory Criminal for the government. Rand Paul would never succeed on the street or in a court room. He has the poorest skills of anyone I have ever seen in attempting to conduct an interview or investigation. Investigator in the federal government

          • Annemb

            WOW!

            You have quite a lot of experience and certainly know what you’re talking about. Thanks so much – again – for your knowledge and your expertise. I very much appreciate this as I do learn when I read.

            Please keep sharing your wisdom and knowledge so others can learn too.

            Blessings…to you and your family.

          • dalnb

            Thank you for the comments.
            I often get to wrapped up in my opinions but I fear that if I (we) do not all take time to voice our opinions we can blame no one else for what happens in or society.
            There are a lot of good contributors on these stories and some that seem to just want to belittle others! I welcome any ones view as long as they can do so in a responsible manner.

          • Annemb

            You are very welcome.

            I, too, get wrapped up in my opinions but don’t hesitate to write – respectfully, of course and after I calm down.

            You are absolutely correct that if we don’t speak out we have no one else to blame – but ourselves what happens to our society.

            I listen to Randi Rhodes broadcast Mon-Fri, 3-5pm, on our radio station in Bangor, ME — am620 (Stephen King’s station). She’s very knowledgeable. She came up to Bangor last August and I was one of the listeners who met her. I have since called her several times. Her web address is http://www.randirhodes.com/. I hope you can access her site. It has loads of information on it. I believe I have the correct URL, if not. I’ll get back to you.

            I forgot to thank you for your service in my earlier post. Sorry about that.

            Take care of yourself.

  • FT66

    I really like their fight of words. Why can’t they find a plain green grass place, cut very well, and sort out their differences there! We will love to cheer them up!

    • Allan Richardson

      Do you mean a golf playoff or a duel? Or a golf game that turns into a golf club riot? I hope it’s on TV!

      • FT66

        I mean the real fight.

  • Catskinner

    Christie is just jealous. If they were under surveillance from the air, Rand Paul could hide–Christie could not.

    • Joseph Squerciati

      Actually Christie has lost a significant amount of weight thanks to bypass surgery

    • Allan Richardson

      For once this liberal agrees with you! Obviously, Chris Christie in the White House would be the BIGGEST government since Taft (although I have not heard whether he would beat Taft’s record)

      • Ford Truck

        Taft stood about 5’11″ and when elected president, weighed around 350 pounds. Christie also stands around 5’11″ and at one time prior to his lap-band surgery, I heard a doctor on a news show estimate Christie’s weight at more than 400 pounds.

        While speaking of William Howard Taft, remember that he was a Republican, but in 1909 he proposed increasing income taxes on corporations. Probably the last Republican to have that thought cross his mind!!

        • Mark Forsyth

          Republicans as well as Democrats were a whole lot different back then,were’nt they?

    • jmprint

      No he wouldn’t, he is too white, he shines, all that glow would radiate behind Christie.

  • Catskinner

    What all of this tells the voting public is the GOP is the party of the future. When they emerge from this metamorphosis, the GOP will be strong and vibrant, and the Democrats will still be mired in the failed policies of the 1930′s, as they are now.

    • Aaron_of_Portsmouth

      A metamorphosis? Only in our wildest Steven King-like dreams . Its more the case of a further devolution into fits of more nightmares which will only inflict even more harm. The real metamorphosis will transcend this narrow-minded partisan-political setup we currently suffer from. On a somber and frightening note, this “lamentably defective” system we have excels others in the world in general. But on a brighter note, a new system is being organically developed in parallel to this process of daily destruction, without fanfare.

    • Allan Richardson

      The failure is not in the policies of the 1930′s (which led to the prosperity of the 1950′s and 1960′s), but the policies of “trickle down” Reagan. Sorry, Cat, but at least we had a moment of detente.

      • Catskinner

        Actually, you have Adolph Hitler to than for the prosperity of the 1950′s and 1960′s.

        • Allan Richardson

          FDR got us ready to fight Hitler by laying the groundwork for a healthy middle class economy. Without the New Deal programs we might not have won the war (which was not the prediction of a war, but prudent care for the economy). For example, the Manhattan Project took ten percent of the nation’s electrical generating capacity at that time, most of that being in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, due to the “waste of money” dams built by federal funds through the TVA. No TVA, no bomb fuel in time to end the war. Also, no New Deal, the returning GI’s would have returned to poverty, not to a booming middle class economy (like many of the returning Vietnam and current Iraq vets).

          • Catskinner

            You can spin it anyway you want, AR, but your remembrance of the returning Vietnam vets is different than mine.

          • jmprint

            That is because you never get out of your hole to see reality.

          • elw

            That hardly makes you remembrances correct, which is clear from just about everything you write.

          • Catskinner

            You make a good point, AR, about the TVA and generating fuel for the A-Bombs. But with a different president, we might not have gotten involved in WWII at all.

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Right! And we’d all be speaking German today.

          • Catskinner

            Better than speaking Spanish…

          • disqus_LcxpBv2uzz

            Really?

          • Catskinner

            Absolutely…

        • Mark Forsyth

          Oh Yes we thank him for relieving the world of millions of people and for the spreading destruction far and wide,but we really thank him for offing his goddamn sorry fucking ass.

    • jmprint

      party of the future… you mean when we are ALL waiting for rations, as the republican almost put us there.

      • JO

        We may need to develop a taste for “Soylent Green” while the elite enjoy strawberries??

    • LotusJoan

      You are one on the funnies things on
      the internet. Right up there with stupid pet tricks.

    • elw

      Considering that it was a Republican President (Hoover) that lead the US into the Great Depression and a Democratic President (Roosevelt) who lead us out of it with his “New Deal Policy” strategy of Government-funded initiatives, public works programs, and overhaul of the financial system, how do you give the GOP credit for that. The GOP then hated President Roosevelt and fought him as hard as the GOP today is fighting President Obama and called him similar names. Sorry Catskinner your claims are not backed up by facts or history.

    • Mark Forsyth

      Failed policies of the 30′s,you must be referring to the austerity measures of the Hoover administration.Certainly not the New Deal policies put forth by F.D.R. that raised the country out of the republican sponsored Great Depression and was opposed by then corporate fascists Ford,Dupont,and Morgan and let us not forget the participation of Prescott Bush who was the bag boy for the afore mentioned,who carried cash to Europe to be transferred to Nazi Germany.Nor can you be referring to the defeat of the Axis Powers and their dream of global fascism,or the Civilian Conservation Corp,or the most successful Social Security Program or the rebuilding and expansion of the nations roads and bridges or the emergence of a thriving middle class that enjoyed good paying jobs,a forty hour work week,paid overtime and vacations.Boy,those sure are some colossal failures,but only to those with sick,perverted minds.

      • Catskinner

        I think you’re on to something, Mark. We cure the sick, perverted minds, and all the bad stuff goes away.

  • tobyspeeks

    Paul is a lunatic. He ties defense spending with aid for Sandy victims. It makes absolutely no sense, but his sheep don’t care about any thing sensible.

    • Lynda Groom

      Lets not forget that Paul and McConnell come from one the ‘taker’ states. For every $1 sent to Washington they get back $1.57. Of course they believe that helping another state is counterproductive. They need the pork coming to Kentucky…not New Jersey that only gets back $0.77.

  • Tweck

    Rand Paul might be the biggest piece of shit in all of American politics at the moment.

    • JDavidS

      Neck and neck with Lyin’ Ryan…Mr. 2:50 and change marathon man…

    • Ford Truck

      But there are so many Republicans vying for this position that you can’t blink without the lead changing!

      • progressiveandproud

        LOL!

  • JDavidS

    Rand Paul is a self-serving, hypocritical imbecile. You see, that buck and a half…or more… that good ole Kentucky gets back from the nasty ole big government for every buck they send to it…well, that really doesn’t count. It’s that money for disaster relief that counts. Shit man, those people hit by Sandy are nothin’ more than “takers”.
    This Tea Clown bozo is in dire need of a 12 gauge enema…

    • dalnb

      I think Rand Paul, Hannity (FOX Talk show host) and the radical radio nut (fat man with a bad case of diarrhea of the mouth – I can’t think of his name) all share the same idea; say anything that will upset the people as they believe that creates a bigger following for them! On the other hand – they all three are just nuts!

  • kanawah

    The more they savage each other the easier it will be for the democratic nominee. Hopefully Hillary.

    As it stands, she will destroy any reubliCON challenger.

    • Allan Richardson

      How about Clinton-Warren? Lots of INTELLIGENT men would vote for that combo!

      • Cthulhu0818

        Warren/Grayson.

  • Allan Richardson

    Has anyone thought of defense in the broader sense? It is not only our armed forces that made America a world power, and after WW2 a superpower. It is (or was) also our vibrant manufacturing and innovative economy. But we have to be healthy and strong to be productive. The way I see it, Medicare, Medicaid, the ACA and whatever a future version of ACA becomes, are part of the Preamble’s purposes of “providing for the common defense” and “promoting the general welfare.” If not so, why do we have the CDC to warn us about contagious diseases and help fund research on cures and/or treatments for disease? Why is there a Surgeon General? Why has government sponsored vaccination programs, from polio in the 1950′s to flu vaccines today? But CDC research only helps those who can get treatment and/or vaccines (although one “socialist” or “collectivist” reality about vaccination is that, if a given percentage of the population is vaccinated, this “herd immunity” protects the rest also).

    The degree of income inequality we have today is approaching that of the Gilded Age of the 1890′s. But what is worse is the OPPORTUNITY inequality. You cannot get a decent job in America today without a college degree (and not too easily WITH one), but the first step in getting that degree requires MONEY. A few winners of the “sperm lottery” have parents; a few more get scholarships (yet college scholarship budgets are getting cut); but most have to borrow money, under conditions which will financially cripple them for life, ESPECIALLY if they cannot get a job right away which covers the loan payments. And in some fields, the only way to get a good job AFTER getting the degree is to DO THAT JOB FOR FREE for a year or two, and again the winners of the sperm lottery have the edge (and remember, these industries are concentrated in the areas with the highest cost of living).

    Now we find that McDonald’s workers are NOT ONLY being paid HALF of a living wage, but they are FORCED to get that pay on a debit card of the COMPANY’S choice which can cost them half their paycheck in fees to spend it. They are not given the option of a paper check which they could cash (and apparently, paycheck cashing stores charge LESS in fees than the debit card), or having their checks deposited in a checking account of THEIR choice (in fact, the debit card charges them, I believe, $15 just to transfer their pay INTO their own account, but they also charge an “inactivity” fee if they use the card that way, and a per-transaction fee for each purchase made directly from the card. So McDonald’s, and surely other big companies if they are not stopped, are conspiring to enable their favorite bank to steal from their employees.

    None of the Republicans want to outlaw such greedy and brutal practices, since their main donors are the Wall Street banks and investment houses. We have reached the point where the ACTUAL production of goods accounts for less income than the MOVING OF MONEY, which ought to be cheaper than ever because of automation.

    • LotusJoan

      What is most shameful about your facts
      is the current meme of the GOP which is that those who suffer brought in on themselves by poor choices. The poor choice in parents, the poor choice in ethnic identity, the poor choice in socio economic class. Yes the GOP agrees
      they are victims – they just think they are their own victimizer too.

    • dalnb

      Its in the eyes and minds of the beholder. What one thinks the other may think of it entirely different! Jus as we argue about the glass half full or half empty we have differing opinions.
      The bad thing is some of the different opinions that seem to be driving our destiny is also leading us down a dangerous path. Money seems to be driving our political efforts and destroying our quality of life.
      People like the Koch Brothers, Karl Rove and Mitch McConnell see America as being a country riled by the wealthy and served by the poor with no one between the two. During the Bush Administration Congressional wages improved by 39%, in 2022 the average CEOs wages increased by he same amount and the common workers wages went down 18%. I don’t care much for Obama but he is right when he says there is something wrong with the direction our society is going!

    • Cthulhu0818

      They don’t care about building anything, Mr. Richardson, all they care about is money, power and destruction.

  • oaloma

    Rand paul is allways arguing and complaining , he is good for that confronting his own people , he is lost in the space , he is a joke

  • elw

    Let them put on all the political show they want, but never forget that when all is said and done the only way any Republican can win an election is by being Conservative enough to gather the votes of the Radical Right the runs that party. Any promise of reasonableness, compromise and help for those in need will disappear once they are on the National scene. Republicans have proven over and over again for decades that they are no longer the Party of the People but the Part of the Super Rich and Radicalize Religious Conservatives. Their promises are empty and their policies work against people of color, women, the poor, children outside the womb, the LGBT Community, and anyone who is not the right kind of Christian or Conservative enough. They are not good for majority of people in the Nation.

    • Allan Richardson

      A Republican candidate would have to win the radical right base voters AND the moderate voters AND suppress the Democratic base voters. The moderate voters will be turned off by their extreme views (with which they courted the radical voters), so their only hope is to generate a scandal about the Democratic nominee that SOUNDS REASONABLE TO MODERATES.

      Since they will probably have at least some success with voter suppression, and even if that is stopped it might not be stopped until after the 2014 election, we progressives need to organize to get out the vote AND to help reimburse less affluent voters (especially the health-challenged and transportation-challenged) for the costs of getting the documents they need to vote at all.

      • elw

        Sounds like a good practical plan to me. But you have to admit it is nice of them to help us by being and acting so crazy and repeating all the mistakes they have made in the past.

        • Allan Richardson

          We do need to organize and get donations for voter protection, as I mentioned. Some voters may need thousands of dollars worth of special assistance to make the trips to state offices to get the documents needed to register, such as a nursing home resident who needs to go in an ambulance with a nurse, and the nurse and driver have to wait (on the clock!) with the would-be voter. Those states certainly would NOT give invalids in wheelchairs with nurses a break from waiting, and they would NOT send their clerks to the nursing homes (although MORAL justice says they ought to).

          A few high profile cases like this, featured on LOCAL news media, would show up the suppression laws for what they are (would YOU accuse the granny in the nursing home of fraud?), along with spending more reasonable amounts to help other voters get their documents. If we do noting, we could have an 80-20 lead in the opinion polls, but only half of our 80 get their votes counted.

          So no matter how crazy they sound to us, they have money, power and a strategy to defeat us by keeping our voters away from the ballot box.

          • elw

            I would guess that there are enough local, State and Federal Level Organizations that would be willing to help the disabled and fight for the their rights, but I also think that everyone should get involved especially in States where they are already passing voter suppression laws. I live in California, but even here if each persons would even take one person, who might have a problem with getting there, to the polls it will make a difference. I know I work really hard on my adult grandkids to make sure they vote and plan on volunteering for providing rides to those in need. I might even do some phone work in 2014.

  • commserver

    The fact that Kentucky gets more in federal money is an indication of the welfare state that Kentucky is. It is easy to say I want but not you.

  • Budjob

    I am not particularly enamored with Chris Christy for one very good reason.He is a REPUBLICAN!!However in this case,I would like to see Christy rip Rand Paul’s ass off and stick it over that obnoxious mop he has on his head.Rand Paul would take this country back to the middle of the 19th century.He is an extremely dangerous individual!!

  • Erin Argast

    Spying without warrants is NOT unconstitutional…when you consent to it. When you sign a contract for phone, internet, cable, etc, services, you consent-via the fine print legalese in the contract-to warrantless spying on you. You grant the service provider the right to spy on you, collect and read your emails, record your phone calls, etc, and share that all with whom the provider wishes to share it. The provider wishes to share it with the government…in return for tax cuts. Notice…Rand Paul decries the spying…NOT the sneaky contracts, or the tax cuts. If Paul were REALLY opposed to the spying, he would work to outlaw the contract clauses which make the spying legal. He does not even try to do that…because he owns stocks in the service providers, and so benefits from their tax cuts which come from such spying. Rand Paul is a hypocrite.

  • Erin Argast

    Rand Paul-like his daddy Ron-is a fraud who does not really want any office. He merely runs, makes speeches, etc, as a way of drumming up business for his idiot newsletters, books, videos, and such.

  • dalnb

    Sounds like Paul has a growing fear of the Governor; and rightfully so!
    Rand Paul can not hold a candle to the intelligence, integrity and sincerity of Christy!

  • atc333

    Paul is hawking “solutions” which are part of the problem, No, he is also part of the problem. No solutions, no answers, no plan. Just block and stall, It is my way or the highway, no compromise, no way.

  • Mark Forsyth

    That GOP tool of Divide and Conquer works pretty good.Bet they didn’t plan to use it on themselves.

  • MollyBee64

    Lol. Randie has been buoyed by support in racist Kentucky. That’s not going to work on a national level.

  • JD Mulvey

    Paul: “I’m the only one who cares about liberty! Vote for me!”
    Christie: “I’m the only one who cares about hurricane victims! Vote for me!”

    Neither of these cheap panderers has a chance.

  • 1standlastword

    Rand Paul is a silver tongued demon in the same ilk as Paul Ryan…that’s weird “Rand Paul and Paul Ryan….anyhow, Christie brings honor and credibility back to the GOP in a way Paul and Ryan (damn this is messing with my head) can’t

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