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Wednesday, February 20, 2019

Maine State CapitolThe Republican Party is 13 members smaller today, as members of the Maine contingent have walked away from the GOP.

The 13 members — including six state committee members, six members of the party, and Republican National Committee member Mark Willis — cited a long list of grievances that paved the way for their departure, in a letter obtained by the Bangor Daily News.

The letter, written on Sunday and addressed to Maine State GOP Secretary Chuck Mahaleris, declares that the “Republican Party has lost its way,” and highlights the former Republicans’ issues with congressional Republicans, Maine Republican legislators, the RNC, and the administration of Republican governor Paul LePage.

The group is angry with the “cowardly leadership of John Boehner,” and the “House Republican leadership’s utter disdain for the United States Constitution, specifically the Fourth Amendment,” and believes that the House did not try to “constrain the NSA to the boundaries of the Constitution.”

They also criticize Senate Republicans for their continuing “support” of “undeclared wars,” and claim that Senate Republicans are in support of “supplying arms to our ‘terrorist enemies.’”

According to the letter, Senate Republicans have also spent time passing “feel good” gun control legislation that “would do nothing to stop another Sandy Hook massacre, all the while restricting Second Amendment rights of law abiding American citizens.”

The ex-Republicans are also disappointed with Maine Republican legislators, who “failed to sustain” Governor LePage’s veto of their budget.

The unpopular GOP governor, known for his many absurd and inappropriate comments that include urging “Obama to go to hell” and telling the NAACP to “kiss my butt,” appears to be one of the biggest problems with the Republican Party, according to the group.

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99 responses to “The Party Is Over For 13 Maine Republicans”

  1. michaelross says:

    They had my attention until the bit about 2nd Amendment rights. Now it just looks like another G.O.P. pander-job.

    • Independent1 says:

      Among a number of issues, it’s clear that these 13 loonies have really no clue about the limitations that the Supreme Court has put onto the “rights” given Americans by the 2nd Amendment:

      Here’s a 2008 Scotus ruling:

      In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment “codified a pre-existing right” and that it “protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home”[9][10] but also stated that “the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”. They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.[11]

      From the sounds of their complaint, it would seem to me that these 13 extremists are upset about the thought of any restriction on what they think is THEIR “God Given 2nd Amendment Right” to purchase and carry any weapon that they desire – when SCOTUS has said they have NO SUCH RIGHT!!!

      • Poor says:

        Read the constitution of the United States you nimrod. The Constitution IS the law of the land, not the supreme court. The supreme court can say whatever the hell they want to, they’re all bought out anyway. The SCOTUS has to follow the constitution, not the other way around and they have not been doing that for a VERY long time. You Americans really need to get your history right. It’s a shame when foreigners such as myself have to repeatedly point out facts to you liberal brainwashed idiots.

        • Carol Cooper says:

          Yes, the Constitution is the law of the land, but it’s the responsibility of the Supreme Court to interpert what it means. The Supreme Court was given this responsibility by the same Constitution that you suggest we read. When this court speaks, it speaks for the Constitution. The founding fathers never intended the people to have that right! Prehaps, you don’t know as much about this country’s history as you think you do. Maybe you should take a reading course before you reread the Constitution.

          • Poor says:

            Please show me where in the Constitution it says that the supreme court is “supposed” to interpret the constitution? And if you can prove it, please cite article and section and specific paragraph, no nebulous generalities. For your information: it does not exist. Hence I just proved my point. Moreover the constitution WAS intended for the people by the founders: Remember, the statement “We the people….” Your statement: “the founding fathers never intended the PEOPLE to have the right” could not be further from the truth. Read everything from Jefferson to Madison and in between and you’ll hear the echo: “When the govt. is afraid of the people you have liberty, and when the PEOPLE are afraid of the government you have tyranny.” Guess what: the people are deathly afraid of the government, hence we have tyranny. Just the opposite of what the founders intended. I guess you live in some weird “kafksyesque” bubble of sorts to believe that the supreme court ACTUALLY interprets anything in the constitution rationally. When you have bought out judges like Roberts who actually sanctioned that Obamacare was “constitutional,” you know for sure that the supreme court has been bought out hook, line and sinker.

          • Independent1 says:

            And SCOTUS’ decisions on cases that are brought to them to interpret the Constitutiion are then used as precedences to decide other cases that are brought to other courts. So when SCOTUS says that the Consitution DOES NOT give gun owners the right to buy and purchase ANY GUN they want FOR ANY PURPOSE they want – that ruling is going to be the basis for deciding many other cases in all the states in America. So whether or not the Constitution specifically says that SCOTUS’ rulings will define how the Constitution is to be interpreted – in practice – THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS!!!
            (See my comment above siting the SCOTUS decision back in 2008 on SCOTUS’ interpretion of the 2nd Amendment which says only “the right to bear arms shall not be infringed”. And given that at the time Madison said that, ARMS constituted a single-shot rifle and a single-shot revolver – for gun owners today to assume that they can interpret ARMS to mean anything they want is them being purely delusional!!)

          • suerobb says:

            And voter id required when we are overrun with illegals?

          • Independent1 says:

            Yeah! we really need to worry about those illegals: the GOP tried for months to substantiate voter fraud across the country and came up with only a handful of actual voters who voted fraudulently. The most voter fraud that the GOP could find was actually proved against the GOP itself after the fact, including voting machines that were found to be switching votes for Obama to Romney. Sorry, but there was NO EVIDENCE FOUND that illegals were voting for anyone; that is a nonsense concern.

          • suerobb says:

            Try looking at illegals voting in Florida. In 2004, 35 foreign citizens applied for and received voter cards in one county in Texas, Federal Prosecutors charged 89 individuals with election fraud and convicted 53. In the Washington State gubernatorial election, it was decided by 133 votes and 1678 illegal votes were cast. It was upheld because there was not way to determine which candidate received the illegal votes. So do not say there are not illegals voting Do some research.

          • Independent1 says:

            And so you believe all that propoganda that comes from Faux News and these right-wing groups that make up stories. Sorry, I believe the numbers you gave on illegals voting as much as I believe in the tooth fairy. Total Nonsense. (You’ll note at the last of the NPR article, only 14 convictions for voter fraud were uncovered by the Bush Administration in ALL OF AMERICA from 2002 to 2005 among non-citizens. And if illegals were voting, they’d be convicted of voter fraud no matter whom they voted for.)

            Here are some excerpts from an NPR news item about the GOP paranoia on illegals voting:

            Anti-immigration groups raised fears that illegal immigrants might steal the U.S. elections Tuesday by voting in droves. Those fears never materialized, and most voting experts say they weren’t founded on any evidence of widespread voter fraud, especially by immigrants.

            Let’s follow up now on some claims made before Tuesday’s election. Some conservative groups warned that thousands of illegal immigrants would try to vote. NPR’s Pam Fessler asked if illegals really did.

            PAM FESSLER: An anti-illegal immigration group called Ban Amnesty Now sent out a blast email last week asking supporters to, quote, “stop illegals from stealing the election.” Another group, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, said Democrats were encouraging illegal immigrants to turn out in droves and that Tea Party and other activists had to be vigilant.

            Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College is author of a new book, “The Myth of Voter Fraud.” She says fears about illegal immigrants voting defy logic.

            Ms. LORRAINE MINNITE (Author, “The Myth of Voter Fraud”): People who are here who are undocumented don’t tend to go around trying to, you know, bring attention to themselves, especially doing something that is illegal.

            FESSLER: She found that there were only 14 federal convictions for voter fraud involving non-citizens from 2002 until 2005, when the Bush administration had an aggressive campaign to go after such crimes.

          • Sandra Manzi says:

            NPR! you kidding me…. talk about anti-American new cast, anti Conservative broadcast, tells a lot about you. need not say anything more…..

          • idamag says:

            And your sources are?

          • Sandra Manzi says:

            WRONG! the democRATS are the ones fighting against voter ID?? Now what could that reason be. Wasn’t one Dem just sent to jail for VOTING 8 DIFFERENT TIMES…. me thinks so…. love you libatards…..

          • old_blu says:

            The only proven voter fraud we have up here in the north west seems to be Republican. And when you resort to name calling all it does is reduce your credibility. You sound angry. Are you pissed at Independent1 who hasn’t called you any names, because you can’t refute what he says?

            http://ouroregon.org/sockeye/blog/republican-voter-fraud-and-oregon-connection

          • Carol Cooper says:

            Section 2 says “The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this constitution,…. and then it goes on to list all of the other powers of the Supreme Court. In order to make decisions “in law and equity, arising under this constitution”, the justices must first interpert the constitution.
            Also, many of the “founding fathers” expected the Supreme Court to assume the role of “judicial review” and to assure that this was a “living constitution”. Both Alexander Hamiliton and James Madison argued in favor of ‘Judicial review in the Federalist papers which urged the adoption of the Constituion. In fact Madison pointed out that this was necessary to prevent the possibility of a majority of people making changes to the constition on temporary opinions. So, I guess it is you who lives in some kind of haze that only allows you to see what you want to see and to ignore all facts to the contrary.
            I do not agree with many of the Supreme Court decisions, however, I do accept that their decisions on constitutionally are final. That is the way the founding fathers intended it to be.

          • Independent1 says:

            Carol, it’s clear that “Poor” doesn’t have clue what he’s talking about and it’s really disappointing that there were as many as 9 posters here on the NM that didn’t understand that and gave thumbs up to his nonsense comments.

          • Sandra Manzi says:

            The CONSTITUTION IS NOT A ‘LIVING CONSTITUTION’, TO BE INERPERTED AND CHANGED AT WILL… Again you must have been taught by a liberal…..that INTERPERTED AT WILL..

          • ma says:

            Musket vs AK 47 means the same?

          • thomas martin says:

            As previously stated,you’re an ignorant a*hole

          • Chris Olix says:

            Yes you are Tom. Sad very sad. The kettle calling the pot black.

          • thomas martin says:

            Don’t know who jerked your chain or rattled your cage, but it truly is sad that you don’t have a clue about life, just floating along believing all the lying propaganda from your party’s liars and existing in ignorant bliss. (Ignorance is bliss,get it?)

          • Chris Olix says:

            Spoken like a true communist. And a atheist no doubt. Perhaps a devil worshiper too. You see Tom I have no party. I am just a plain American citizen who just wants big governement to go away and leave me and my fellow patriots alone.

          • Independent1 says:

            Leave you alone so unscrupulous business types can scam you of everything you own because their is no financial business regulatory control like during the housing bubble? Or like in Texas where Rick Perry has focused totally on job creation at the expense of everything else including business regs that maybe would have kept a factory from exploding and killing half a town? Or maybe like the 20 red states that lead the nation in gun deaths with 4/100,000/yr to 18/1000,000/yr people being killed by guns because they refuse to spend the money to maintain control over gun sales, while every Blue state has a fraction of those deaths because they provide the money to monitor gun sales??

            And on and on. And are you aware that the three passed GOP administrations increased the size of the federal government (Reagan and the two Bushes) by over 250,000 people, whereas the last 3 Dem presidents (Carter, Clinton and Obama) have reduced the size of the federal government by more than 350,000?? And that if you factor in city and state governments, Bush added more than 950,000 to governments across the country while Obama has reduced them by more than 600,000?? The GOP doesn’t want smaller government – they just want to do away with departments of government that regulate things they would like to let run wild.

          • Sandra Manzi says:

            Oh yes, keep talking, because you are an Obama supporter. through and through,,and looks like an idiot as much as he is… you have learned Your liberal lessons well. ANTI-AMERICAN,SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST….

          • Independent1 says:

            So let’s see, Obama developing policies that have allowed the stock market to rise to the highest levels in its history is anti-american? Or is it Obama following up with his promise to get us out of Iraq that makes him anti-American? Or Obama following through on the auto-bailout which virtually all economists in the nation will testify kept America from falling into the GOP’s 2nd created world-wide depression – that makes him anti-American? or Obama setting up a war on fraud in the defense and healthcare sectors when he first took office in 2009 which has resulted in his administration recovering more fraudulently charged monies than the 4 previous presidents before him (they have recovered billions) makes him anti-American? Or is it that fact that Obama has rounded up and deported more problem illegal aliens that makes him anti-American?? Or is it Obama thinking enough about being president that he has taken by far less vacation than the 5 GOP presidents before him (less than 100 days in almost 5 years), while Bush Jr took over 950 days vacation in 8 years; Reagan took over 460 days in 8 years, Bush Sr, took well over 200 days in 4 years, makes him anti-american?? Obama reducing the country’s deficit spending faster than any president since Truman, makes him anti-American? the fact that Obama’s policies have resulted in more American jobs being created in the past 2 years than were created during Bush Jr’s entire 8 years in office, makes him anti-American?? Wow!! Somehow all those accomplishments don’t sound to me like they make Obama anti-American – can you be specific on what things make Obama unAmerican?? I think you’re totally clueless about what you’re talking about.

          • idamag says:

            Add, “So there!”

          • Independent1 says:

            Sandra, I’m a long-time independent who voted for Eisenhower, voted for Ford and voted for Bush Sr. But since America’s worst president ever, Ronald Reagan sent the GOP to reeling with its outer edges to the far right extreme and George W. Bush Jr. with Dick Chenney cemented that extremism – I’ve been on a mission to do everything I can to discredit the current GOP extremists and hopefully some day return some sanity to a very misguided party. I cannot simply stand by and see a party that his hellbent on destroying even more of America succeed.
            Having 4 GOP presidents (Nixon in his second term, Reagan and the two Bushes) spend money like drunken sailors (running up 15 trillion in debts) and also doing everything each of them could to promote the fleecing of American taxpayers – is far more than I can allow to continue happening – I only wish I could do more to see the GOP totally destroy itself before it ruins even more of America.

          • Alice James says:

            I totally disagree with your job numbers. Where did you get them at? Was it national numbers or state numbers?

          • Independent1 says:

            Here’s the full set of stats on how the presidents affected government related jobs;

            Which Party has really increased the size of our
            government?

            Under Carter: On December 31st 1976 (Not Carter’s term yet), total nonmilitary personnel was 2,883,000. By December 31st 1980 the end of Carter’s term (minus a month), the total in nonmilitary personnel was 2,875,000. Federal government nonmilitary employees That is a REDUCTION of 8,000 employees.

            Under Reagan: On January 21st, 1981, President Reagan
            started with 2,875,000 nonmilitary federal employees. By the end of Reagan’s terms the total number of nonmilitary federal employees was 3,113,000. That is an INCREASE of 238,000
            employees.

            Under George H.W. Bush. On January 20th, 1989, total federal nonmilitary employment was 3,113,000 by the end of his only term, President George H.W. Bush had 3,083,000 federal nonmilitary employees on the books. That is a REDUCTION of 30,000 employees.

            Under Clinton: President Bill Clinton came into office
            with 3,083,000 and by the END of his TWO TERMS he reduced the number of Federal employees to 2,703,000 (lower than when Reagan took office). That is a REDUCTION of 380,000 federal employees.

            Under George W. Bush: President George W.
            Bush came into office with 2,703,000 nonmilitary employees and by the time his terms were through, the total nonmilitary federal employees on the books were 2,756,000, That is an INCREASE of 53,000 employees. if all government employees
            in the country are considered, for the federal, state and local governments, there was an INCREASE of more than 953,000 government related employees overall under President George W. Bush.

            Under Barak Obama: President Barak Obama came into office with 2,756,000 and by the time his 1st term was through, the total nonmilitary federal employees on the books were
            2,783,000. That is an INCREASE of 27,000 employees. However, if all government employees in the country are
            considered, for the federal, state and local governments, there was a reduction of more than 600,000 government employees overall under President Obama.

            Bottom line: Reagan and the two Bushes added 261,000 employees to the size of the Federal Government between them; while Carter, Clinton and Obama decreased the size of the federal government by 345,000 employees between them.

            I was off on the 350,000,000 – it should have been 340,000 – at 76 years old my recall isn’t quite what it used to be. And the increase of 953,000 for Bush and decrease of 600,000 for
            Obama is counting all government employees across the nation – Federal, State and local (town governments)

          • Chris Olix says:

            Hey pal I said I was not a member of the Republicrats. Establishment Republicans and progressive Democrats are all the same. Good news is comming though. Big government and those who suck on her ti ts will soon be given a wake up call when the federal reserve banksters are stopped from running their printing machines because the private sector working people and the countries that trade with us say your paper is not worth crap and stick it. You know your free ride is over when China, Russia and other countries say “Pay in gold or no oil, mfg goods, etc.”. Sooner or later the other geopolitical enemies of the US are going to be forced by their own people into saying why are we slaves to the US government and their parasitic citizens and their worhtless currency that they can just print out of thin air.

          • Independent1 says:

            And exactly what is it that the would make the U.S. paper “not worth crap”?? Given that the U.S.’ debt to GDP ratio is virtually the lowest of any industrialized nation on the planet at around 70% of GDP – virtually all other industrialized non communist nations like America run debt to GDP ratios greater than 80% – even Canada’s is greater than 85% (remember – in calculating a nations debt to GDP, you don’t include the debt that it owes to itself, which for the U.S. is 5 plus trillion dollars)- and with America’s GDP increasing and deficit spending decreasing (its debt increasing at a much slower rate) America’s debt to GDP ratio has actually been going down over the passed 3 years.

            America is in a better financial situation than virtually any other country similar industrialized nation on the planet – in fact, I’m not sure America isn’t in a better financial situation than China. And despite what many would like to believe, China owns less than 1/10 of our debt. So I think you’re whistling dixie with virtually all of your nonsense comments.

          • Chris Olix says:

            I don’t think you understand the concept of wealth ( Perhaps you should read a little Adam Smith). The federal reserve is printing 80 f-ing billion a month out of thin air because the chineese and japanesse and other potential buyers know the US government is out of control. You sound like some college economics retread. First off I know I am not dealing with rational thinking self independednt people when talking to progressives. So the only thing that will fix progressives and get their heads right is the collapse of the dollar. All the BS going on these pages and across America on political web sites is all moot when the federal reserve notes ( known to people like you as dollars which they are not) collapse. Hunger, rioting and general chaos will be you and other progressive best school.

          • Independent1 says:

            It would be good if you took your own advice and did a little reading. The Fed is not even close to increasing the U.S. money supply anywhere near what China is doing to theirs and is very consistent even with the Eurozone. You are an alarmist idiot. Here are some excerpt from Pragmatic Capitalism:

            The story here couldn’t be more self explanatory. The US M2 money supply is simply not expanding anywhere close to its historical rate. The only country where the M2 money supply is seeing any sort of substantive growth is in China. And so it’s not surprising to see the combination of commodity hungry China and enormous money supply growth result in higher commodity prices. While I don’t think it’s incorrect to blame some speculative aspect of this rally on the Fed it is entirely incorrect to blame the Fed for the commodity rally due to their “money printing”. The fact is, the USA is not expanding the money supply at an alarming rate. China controls their own money supply. If they desire to print money in order to maintain their flawed currency peg then that’s a policy only they can control. Blaming the Fed for China’s flawed monetary policy is not even remotely fair.

            And this:

            As you can see in this graph, China literally allowed its money supply to skyrocket, compared to that of the U.S. or the eurozone, with annual growth averaging +17.4% between 1996 and 2008, which compares to +7.1% in the eurozone and +6.3% in the United States.

            Above all, since the beginning of 2009, this divergence has actually widened, despite the Fed’s QEs and 0% interest rates, since Chinese M2 has been growing at 26.6% per annum (!), versus +3.5% in the U.S. and +2.3% in the eurozone

            Did you see that!! China is expanding its money supply by 26.6% compared to the U.S.’ 3.5%!!! Go stick your head in the sand somewhere will you!!!!!

          • Chris Olix says:

            Its apparent I am dealing with an government educated economic policy wonk. You live in the today with no context from history. Printing fiat money out of thin air will fail. Its the primary law of economics. Perhaps you remember the Weimer republic. Or dozens of countries in the past 50 years who have had to repudiate their debt from reckless spending and money printing. We the US have gotten away with due to our position of reserve currency for the world. Those days are rapidly drawing to an end. Our unfunded liabilities exceed 130 trillion ( which is all due within 30 years) and will be rising rapidly from Obama care.

            As I said from my last post. Progressives will only understand the error of their ways when society begins to desintigrate just outside of their door. If you had open eys it is already falling apart for more and more Americans every day its just your little part of the world has’nt apparently felt it yet. Real unemployment exceeds 20%, Massive nearing bankruptcies in cities and local governements across the USA. Uncle sugars money printing can’t save them in the end from their excess”s.

            Your Pal’s Wilson and TR starting this nightmare on the greatest economic power the world has ever known. May the rioters come to your house before your neighbors so you can reap what you have sewn.

          • Independent1 says:

            I’m going to repeat my comment from above: You are an alarmist idiot!! You’re trying to make it sound like the Fed is willy nilly expanding credit (printing money) to provide for out of control spending when that is TOTAL NONSENSE!! When adjusted for inflation, federal government spending is at the lowest levels in almost 60 years. The reason we continue to incur deficits IS NOT because of out of control spending – it’s because the country is still working it’s way out of the Great Recession which President Disaster inflicted on us and tax revenues have still not recovered. Even as a percent of GDP, spending has trended downward over the past 4 years.

            What the Fed is having to relax credit for today, is to cover the monies that everyone is hoarding: American companies are sitting on trillions of dollars of built up funds – deposited not only in American banks but also overseas. And millionaires and billionaires like Mitt Romney are doing the same thing (stuffing money overseas in banks to avoid taxation which is taking trillions of dollars out of circulation). And even consumers are holding back and not spending freely: all of this is taking money out of circulation which is needed for the country to function; requiring that the Fed continue to inject funds into the economy. BUT, the fed is not running amok in doing that like your idot rhetoric is trying to suggest.

            As I said in my earlier comment, you’re welcome to your alarmist opinion, but from all the research I’ve done you’re nothing more than just that: the typical Paul Ryan, GOP nitwit alarmist and can go stick your head in the sand!!!!!!

          • Chris Olix says:

            As I said before. Your god is government and it is made by corrupt and weak men. You will perish in the collapse that is comming. We have two paths as a nation. We go the route of Rome at this point in its history and go to a dictatorship to restore order after the collapse of the government or we will return to a sound money policy backed by only hard assets such as gold and silver. These two precious metals are known throughout the 5000 years of human civilization as the only currency worth anything when push comes to shove.

            You can live as if the world started when you were born grasshopper but let me assure you it was here a long long time before you and modern progressives emerged on the scene.

          • Greg Harlan says:

            It sounds like 4th grade has been quite the challenge for you all these years, Chris. Good luck next time around.

          • idamag says:

            You forgot to say, “Nyah, Nyah, nyah, so there!”

          • Independent1 says:

            Sorry Poor, but the Constitution in and of itself is not a working document – it is the basis from which the three branches of the Federal Government draw their authority and from which these branches are given the powers to enforce their mandates. But the Constitution does not ITSELF establish any laws. Cite me one instance that you can come up with when a lawyer has SUCCESSFULLY gone into a court room and argued a case based purely on what it says in the Constitution. You won’t find that, because it isn’t done. Court cases are argued based on laws, and the Constitution did not/does not create laws.

            The laws that Americans live by were created and ratified by the Supreme Court and/or Congress as defined by the Constitution and supposedly by creating these laws consistent with what the Constitution says. Your comments about the Supreme Court and Congress sometimes interpreting the Constitution in a partisan way is well taken, but that does not alter the fact that IT IS NOT THE CONSTITUTION THAT ESTABLISHES THE LAWS BY WHICH WE ARE JUDGED – IT IS THE SUPREME COURT AND CONGRESS WHO ESTABLISH THESE LAWS (WHETHER WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THEM).

          • ma says:

            No. The gun crazies have bastardized the Constitution.
            Seriously, the more sane know that a musket is not a AK 47.

            Too bad we cannot transport y’all back to the 1800’s

          • Sandra Manzi says:

            No, the Constitution DOES NOT TO BE INTERPERTED. It is written as is… We don’t need people INTERPERTING IT….. The founding fathers never intended for the PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT RIGHT.. you must have been taught by liberals, that have no idea what the CONSTITUTION IS ABOUT…….THE LAW OF THE LAND!!!!!!! PEROID!!!!!!!

          • Carol Cooper says:

            Sandra, yelling does not make it true. If the founding fathers thought that the constitution was written in stone, never to be changed, then why did they establish rules in the constitution for changing it? Ony thing people who yell absurities prove is how ignorant they are.

          • idamag says:

            It took a long time to get a constitution that would be acceptable to all the delegates. Finally, they agreed on a basic document that could be amended later. It was designed to be amended. If the founders could have foreseen how it would be interpreted, I think they would have closed the loopholes.

          • idamag says:

            Add, “So there!”

        • thomas martin says:

          You’re an ignorant a*hole!

      • kennethnewman says:

        Let those TEA PARTIERS of Maine ALL have Law rockets, 50 caliber machine guns, and all the other types of weapons that they can shoot their neighbors with. Then when 500,000 Maine residents are dead, free land, like the days of old in OK, (where they used to have land rushes), can be available to all those who want to obey the US Constitution.

  2. Pamby50 says:

    Like Abbey Huntsman said the other day, until the republican party hits rock bottom will they become a party to contend with. So far we haven’t hit yet. Couldn’t have said it better.

  3. Independent1 says:

    So there are 13 Tea Party extremists who despite how extreme Le Paige’s governance is apparently don’t believe he’s extreme enough, nor is Boehner’s misguided management of the House of Representatives. It’s interesting that this is taking place in the state of Maine, which is fairly well known for the loons in its lakes and coastal waters. After this episode it will probably be remembered by many as the state were a group of loonies got fed up and decided to leave the loonie bin – the current state of Maine’s Republican party.

  4. Landsende says:

    The Republican Party is slowly imploding thanks to the Koch brothers backed Tea Party.

    • plc97477 says:

      Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of nitwits.

    • MoreFreedom2 says:

      I take the position that the Republican party is imploding because it abandoned it’s conservative principles of limited government. Giving credit to the Koch’s is failing to put the responsibility on those who abandoned the conservative principles that conservative voters want.

  5. Phil Ryan says:

    I dunno. The way I interpreted this article — and maybe I just read it wrong — was that they were leaving because the Republicans were not even MORE whacky and generally unhinged than they already are.

    • FreeSpeechOrDieHarder says:

      I strongly believe you misinterpreted it badly. Maine Republicans are the last moderate Republicans left–former federal Senator Snowe and current federal Senator Collins, both long-time Republicans representing the state, and the elected officials involved were attempting to engage the Democratic Party for over a decade.

      The cowardice referred to is Boehner’s consistent behavior of doing what’s best for Boehner and not the nation, and doing what’s best for Boehner is to kow-tow to the tea-party faction that has overrun much of the GOP.

      New England Republicans are not frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing nutjobs; even Scott Brown, the short-term Senator from Massachusetts who took Kennedy’s seat for two years before being booted by Warren, attempted to reach across the aisle. They are simply a far different and more reasonable breed that those found in the other 45 (with a few exceptions in the other 45). The issue is that, outside of Maine and New Hampshire, they have little say in the workings of the state of no say in the workings of the federal government.

      A bit of research as to why Snowe left the Senate (she quickly wrote a book about her career) will enhance your understanding of what I am trying to relate.

      • Sandra Manzi says:

        Snowe and Collins were nothing but democrats…… nothing less….

        • FreeSpeechOrDieHarder says:

          If by “democrats” you mean “not frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing nutjobs”, we have a common opinion.

        • Independent1 says:

          I gather the only people you consider true Republicans then are the total nutjobs like Cruz and Rubio and Rand and McConnell and Boehner and Cantor and Bachmann and Perry and etc. etc. – is that it????

  6. Kamlhj says:

    Most of the Republicans today are just “go along to get along” with the Democrats. No leadership, afraid to say anything because of the Liberal media, too weak to propose new ideas, afraid of Obama, etc.
    I’d gladly welcome a Tea Party takeover of these wimps. We’re overdue for a real 2nd party!

    • Texaslee says:

      That’s the Taxed Enough Already party.

      • Independent1 says:

        It’s kind of interesting that a party would be formed in America that it seems to feel that American’s are over taxed, when in fact, considering all the tax loopholes in America’s tax code, Americans generally end up paying far less taxes than the citizens of virtually any other democratically run nation on the planet.

        Here’s a list of the taxes paid by Europeans which when you factor them all in together shows that Americans pay far less in taxes than virtually all of the more popular European countries:

        European Countries’

        Income/Vat/Capital Gains
        Tax Rates

        Austria – 50%/20%/0%
        Bulgaria -10%/20%/10%
        Croatia – 40%/25%/0%
        Cyprus – 35%/17%/20%
        Czech Rep – 15%/21%/15%
        Denmark – 55.4%/25%/32%
        Estonia – 21%/20%/21%
        Finland – 53%/24%/28%
        France – 75%/17.6%/33%
        Germany – 45%/ 19%/0%
        Georgia – 12%/19%/?
        Greece – 45%/23%/10%
        Hungary – 16%/27%/16%
        Ireland – 41%/23%/20%
        Italy – 45%/21%/0%
        Latvia – 23%/21%/15%
        Liechtenstein – 17.89%/8%/0%
        Luxembourg – 38.95%/15%/19.48%
        Malta – 35%/18%/12%
        Netherlands – 52%/21%/1.20%
        Norway – 54.3%/25%/28%
        Poland – 32%/23%/0%
        Portugal – 46.5%/23%/15%
        Romania + 16%/24%/0%
        Russia – 13%/18%/30%
        Slovakia – 19%/20%/19%
        Slovenia – 41%/20%/10%
        Spain – 52%/21%/18%
        Sweden – 56.6%/25%/30%
        Switzerland – 45.5%/8%/0%
        Turkey 35%/18%/0%
        Ukraine – 17%/20%/1.00%
        United Kingdom – 45%/20%/28%
        U.S. – 39.6%/Varies1/ Varies2

        Varies1: U.S. sales taxes (Vat in Europe) vary from NONE in several states to a high of 7.5 in Calif.

        Varies2: After 2012, dividends will be taxed at the taxpayer’s ordinary income tax rate, regardless of his or her tax bracket. After
        2012, the long-term capital gains tax rate will be 20% (0% for taxpayers in the 10% and 15% tax brackets).

        • Texaslee says:

          Man that’s really some nice data, I’ll send all the money I make and give to the IRS, I didn’t know I wasn’t paying enough.

          • Independent1 says:

            No bodies looking for you to pay extra taxes – the point is that a group of people has formed who are basically trying to destroy America because they think their taxes are too high, when in fact, Americans pay some of the lowest tax rates on the planet. America doesn’t need an organization called the Tea Party trying to do everything it can to ruin the country over FALSE PRETENSES!!!!

          • Texaslee says:

            OH really

          • Independent1 says:

            You bet!! The primary backers of the Taxed Enough Already party are billionaires like the Koch Bros who finagle their taxes in a way that even though their income is in the millions and billions, they pay little or no taxes. They’re hoodwinking millions of unsuspecting Americans, probably like yourself, with the misguided notion that living in a successful 21st century nation shouldn’t make them have to pay as much taxes as they are. Well, I hate to burst your bubble, but running an educational system in America that will help the country survive in the 21st century, and supporting an armed forces that will protect America’s citizenry, and maintaining adequate police protection that keeps crime in check, and maintaining a national infrastructure that truely supports commerce, and on and on and on and on IS NOT CHEAP!!!

            Tea Pary supporters need to grow up and realize that MOMMY AND DADDY aren’t providing everything for them anymore, they have to expect to PAY FOR WHAT THEY GET!!! Having said that, it’s entirely possible that everyone’s taxes could be less IF – IF people like the Koch billionaires and other rich folks, and hundreds of corporations that are making millions of dollars in income STARTED PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE!!!

            How can TEA PARTY supporters support a party THAT REFUSES to change the tax code so that EVERYONE PAYS THEIR FAIR SHARE??? Tea Party nitwits are supporting a party that insists on keeping them where they are – being the main supporters of the country while the Billionaires, Millionaires and corporations making millions and billions in profits while paying no where near their fair share of taxes ARE LAUGHING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK!!!!!!

          • Texaslee says:

            Your BS is getting old.

          • Independent1 says:

            Don’t like to hear the truth huh!! You sound like a typical GOP lover to me. Only thing you like to hear are lies, lies, lies!!

          • Texaslee says:

            Are your eyes brown?

          • idamag says:

            You forgot to add, “So there!”

          • Billie says:

            I am a Texan and you’re full of it. The problem with Texas republicans is that they are so in love with the republican party that they can’t see beyond the end of their nose. Do you know why Texas is a republican state? Probably not. Texas was a democratic state until 1948. At that time Strom Thurmond created the Dixiecrats whose main platform was to maintain segregation. Since Thurmond was actually a republican, Texas went republican solely to back someone who wanted segregation. Unfortunately, that mind set still exists.

          • Texaslee says:

            Thanks for your history lesson, that cleared up everything, were you even born yet.

          • Billie says:

            For your information, I was a freshman in high school. I remember it well. Don’t give me the bit about I’m senile. I’m as clearheaded as can be and I still hold a part time job.

          • Texaslee says:

            Never said you were in a old folks home, just seeing if you old enough to know anything, sorry you drop out of high school as a freshman.

          • Billie says:

            For your info, I graduated from Palestine High School in May of 1951. I went on to college from which I did not graduate. I married instead. My husband and were married 56 years before his passing.

          • idamag says:

            Our tax rate is 1950. The cost of running the government is not 1950 costs. Norway has the highest taxes. They also have the highest standard of living with the lowest unemployment and the lowest poverty rates. Unemployment – 2%. Poverty .08%

    • Independent1 says:

      Let’s see “liberal media”; explain to me how that’s possible when 80% of America’s media is owned by either Ruppert Murdoch or Clear Channel – two obviously strong right-wingers!!

      • NoBS says:

        Since when did Murdoch buy up CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC of PBS?
        Liar!

        • Independent1 says:

          First of all, what you listed are only TV news channels – my main comment is related to who owns the vast majority of the “News Media” which is madel up primarily of “news papers” across the country – of which, Murdoch and Clear Channel own the vast majority. What you listed are a handful of TV news channels – and just for the info: ABC is considered to have a conservative bias, while CNN’s bias is independent as is PBS. CBS and NBC are the only news outlets you listed that are considered to have a Liberal bias.

          • thomas martin says:

            There you go NoBS, this person is intelligent and very well informed,unlike you who is so ignorant you wouldn’t make a good monkey. As a matter of fact that would be insulting to monkeys. So shut up and crawl in your cave you nitwit.

        • thomas martin says:

          Shut up stupid,NoBS your ignorance is showing!

        • idamag says:

          He’s working on it.

      • Kamlhj says:

        80% from a liberal who lies?
        When Conservatives head any group, Liberals are allowed to co-exist to the point of taking over. I don’t know why. I know the opposite is not true. But you are old enough to look at the media & see this.

        • Independent1 says:

          I have no clue what the point is of your last comment, but let me point out that if the U.S. media really had a liberal bias, ALL AMERICANS would be certain to know a lot moe about the following situations which today’s news media really never addresses:

          1) Where all America’s jobs actually went –

          Outsourcing (or offshoring) is a bigger contributor to unemployment in the U.S. than laziness. Since 2000, U.S. multinationals have cut 2.9 million jobs here while increasing employment overseas by 2.4 million. This is likely just the tip of the iceberg as multinational corporations account for only about 20% of the labor force. When was the last time you saw a front-page headline about outsourcing?

          2) . Upward wealth redistribution and/or inequality.

          In 2010, 20% of the people held approximately 88% of the net worth in the U.S. The top 1% alone held 35% of all net worth.
          The bottom 80% of people held only 12% of net worth in 2010. In 1983, the bottom 80% held 18% of net worth. These statistics are not Democrat or Republican. They are widely available to reporters. Why aren’t they discussed in the “liberal” media?

          3) Stories about ALEC.

          If there was a corporate organization that drafted laws and then passed them on to legislators to implement, wouldn’t you think the “liberal” media would report on them? The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) is such an organization. Need legislation drafted? No need to go through a lobbyist to reach state legislatures anymore. Just contact ALEC. When’s the last time you’ve seen ALEC featured in the news?

          4) The number of people in prison.

          Which country in the world has the most people in prison?You might think it would be China (with 1+ billion people and a restrictive government) or former Soviets still imprisoned in Russia. Wrong. The United States has the most people in prison by far of any country in the world. With 5% of the world’s population, we have 25% of the world’s prisoners – 2.3 million criminals. China with a population 4 times our size is second with 1.6 million people in prison. When’s the last time you’ve seen a national story featuring how many Americans are incarcerated?

          5). U.S. health care costs are the highest in the world.

          The expenditure per person in the U.S. is $8,233. Norway is second with $5,388. Total amount of GDP spent on health care is also the highest of any country in the world at 17.6 percent. The next closest country is the Netherlands at 12%.
          Why isn’t the market isn’t bringing down American’s healthcare costs. you can be certain that a “liberal” media would be asking that question.

          6). Glass-Steagall.

          Glass-Steagall separated risky financial investments from government backed deposits for 66 years. The idea is simple. Banks were prohibited from using your federally insured savings to make risky investments. Why is this a good idea?
          Risky investments should be risky. If banks can use federally insured funds, there is no risk to them. If they win, they win. If they lose, we cover the cost. Elizabeth Warren does a great job explaining this to the “liberal news” desk at CNBC why hasn’t this situation become a larger news story – if the media was truely “liberal” you can be assured it would be.

          8. Gerrymandering.

          When was the last time you saw a front page headline about gerrymandering? Before the 2010 election, conservatives launched a plan to win control of state legislatures before the census. The idea was to be in power when national congressional districts were redrawn in order to fix them so Republicans would win a majority of districts.

          The Redistricting Majority Project was hugely successful. In 2012, Barack Obama was elected President by nearly 3.5 million votes. In Congressional races, Democrats drew nearly 1.4 million more votes than Republicans yet Republicans won control of the House 234 seats to 201 seats. Why haven’t there been more national stories on how the GOP stole the elections in the House via gerrymandering?? You can be assured that if the media was truely “liberal” it would have been.
          And I could list at least a 1/2 dozen more issues which would be constantly highlighted in the national news if America’s news media was truely “liberal”.

          • Kamlhj says:

            (1) Because this has taken off under Obama
            (2) reported in the media-various figures though
            (3) if true, would have been covered
            (4) reported ad nauseu
            (5) same as (1)
            (6) and the point is…
            (7) Because this is an historical Democratic scheme
            (8) you do know what I was talking about.

          • Independent1 says:

            You sure know how to spread horse manure:

            1) The king of shipping American jobs overseas is Mitt Romney and his cronies. Had Obama not followed through on the auto bailout, GM and Chrysler would now be operating out of China and Mexico like the auto industries small parts maker Delphi is: Romney and his Hedgefund buddy Singer bought Delphi (which used to be Delco) for a song when Obama was bailing out GM and Chrysler – destroyed Delphi in America by stripping it of all its assets; dumping all the pension liabilities on to the U.S. taxpayers and shipping its 25,000 union jobs to China. With the auto industry rebounding Delphi now operates with about 100,000 workers in China and Mexico thanks to Mitt and his cronies- Mitt Romney’s American job destroying influence is a big reason why millions of American jobs are no longer in America.

            2) The news media has no where near made income equality in the U.S. the news story that it should be – identiying the enormous greed of people like the Walton family that is gorging on Walmart’s profits while the company destines more than 80% of its workforce to below poverty level wages.

            3) Of course 3 is true, why do you think countless corporations are dropping out of ALEC because of pressure put on them by consumers!!

            4) The prison situation in America may have appeared on occasion in back page articles that few people ever see, but the situation has never been made the front page story that it deserves to be.

            5) No one has really published a news article explaining that America’s high cost of healthcare is primarily the responsibility of Ronald Reagan having signed a bill into law that requires ERs and Doctors to treat any patient who insists they’re having a health emergency; a law which has allowed millions of Americans who could well have afford insurance to go without it thinking that if they really need healthcare they can always run to an ER and get treatment with the bill being foisted on the American’s who do have insurance – which has forced hospitals, doctors, labs and other healthcare providers to pad their bills by 2-3 times the actual cost to allow them to recover monies they can’t get from the people they are forced to treat who don’t have insurance.

            6) The GOP pushing through a repeal of Glass-Steagall is what allowed banks and other financial sector companies to create and trade risky housing market related investments that resulted in creating the housing bubble burst which led to the Gread Recession.

            7) What crap – the Democrats never took gerrymandering to the extreme that the GOP has over the past decade. And similarly, the Dems never used the filibuster anything like 428 times in less than 4 years. The GOP seems to love to take everything to the Extreme:

            Like every GOP administration in office since Nixon’s 2nd term have spent like drunken sailors, running up America’s debts like there is no tomorrow: Nixon, Ford, Reagan and the two Bushes are responsible for more than 90% of America’s current 16.8 trillion in debt (now that’s extreme).

            GOP run states stress the extreme in negative ways even when comparing them to other states: maybe you can rationalize the following examples:

            – Despite the GOP’s love affair with the NRA, of the 20 states with the highest firearm mortality rates, all 20 of them are currently run by the GOP: only New Mexico in the list isn’t a traditional red state. And Louisiana by far leads the nation in firearms mortality.

            – Of the 23 states that have more than 4 people being killed each year in homicides, 18 of them are GOP run states with Louisana leading the nation by far in homicides with more than 11/100,000 each year with Mississippi 2nd in the nation averaging more than 8.5 homicides/100,000.

            — The above stats may be one of the reasons why all 18 of the states with a life expectancy of less than 78 years are run by the GOP. While of the 10 states with a life expectancy of 80 or 81 years: 9 of them are run by the Dems.

            Of the 25 states which have infant mortality rates of 6 babies dying/100,000 births or greater, 22 of them are GOP run states; the only Dem run states in the list are Delaware, Illinois and Connecticut.

            -Of the 23 states that have more than 15% of their residents living below the poverty level, 19 of them are red states that voted for Romney and 2 are Blue states with GOP administrations: Michigan and New Mexico.

          • idamag says:

            Still not clear as to what you are saying.

    • esmensetoo says:

      The Tea Party is financed and controlled by the same financial interests that finances and controls the rest of the party. You are being conned. Again.

  7. jstsyn says:

    Strip them of any tax paid benefits also. Or do they get to quit and collect. They hardly worked when they worked. Like most of them.

  8. Robert Hill says:

    The Constitution is not interpreted by the supreme court ,the constutition

    • Independent1 says:

      And SCOTUS’ decisions on cases that are brought to them to interpret the Constitutiion are then used as precedences to decide other cases that are brought to other courts. So when SCOTUS says that the Consitution DOES NOT give gun owners the right to buy and purchase ANY GUN they want FOR ANY PURPOSE they want – that ruling is going to be the basis for deciding many other cases in all the states in America. So whether or not the Constitution specifically says that SCOTUS’ rulings will define how the Constitution is to be interpreted – in practice – THAT’S THE WAY IT WORKS!!!

      • Jeff in Iowa says:

        Independant1 you are fully mistaken. At the time of the founding yes arms were single shot, civilian and military, there was NO difference. Many of the cannon used were privately owned as well… Arms are any man portable weapon.
        Milita=the whole people, except for a few public officials (from George Mason, a coauthor)
        Well-regulated describes the level of skill and ability during battle, read some letters between generals of those days.
        Hopefully through enlightenment (not to be confused with entitlement) we can fulfil the promise of America as laid down by the Founders!

        • Independent1 says:

          If you think I’m “fully mistaken”, you may want to take the issue up with the judges on the Supreme Court about their decision in 2008 that recognizes an America has the right to “possess a firearm unconnected with the service in a militia” but they also recognized that, as they put it, that the right to possess a firearm DOES NOT give an American THE RIGHT to own any gun they want – they worded it as “the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsover in any manner whatsover and for whatever purpose.” They also made it clear that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the court are CONSISTENT WITH THE 2ND AMENDMENT. See a recap of Scotus’ 2008 decision on bearing arms:

          In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment
          “codified a pre-existing right” and that it “protects an
          individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home”[9][10] but also stated that “the right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”. They also clarified that many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court are consistent with the Second Amendment.[11]

    • Al Hubbard says:

      Robert please…The Constitution is a set of Regulations and more importantly Principles. It determines the construction and form of our government, it defines the structure of our congress, the presidency, and our courts. It outlines their respective responsibilities. It clearly assigns law making to the congress and judgement of the laws adherence to the Constitution to the Courts. When a state or the federal government passes a law the courts are responsible for judging the laws compliance with the principles of the constitution. OF COURSE the constitution is interpreted by the courts…that’s their job.

      This is really so basic…4th grade stuff.

  9. Robert Hill says:

    The Constitution is not interpreted by the supreme court the Constitution says what it says only new laws and suits brought for judgment as to be found constitutional or not Constitutional; This is the only job these liberal judges have .As of the past decade they have tried to rewrite the Constitution by their judgements which is totally unconstitutional , The corruption of this government starts at the top and goes through every vein and capillary of this government and every corner of this world . Nothing will ever be done about this because every person is in their own micro world and if it doesn’t effect them they could care less . So good luck with changing anything your votes are worthless and of no use any more , your whole life’s will be ruled by these corrupt stealing liars in Washington The noose is getting tighter and tighter around your necks . .

    • Independent1 says:

      If our forefathers didn’t create the Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution and extablish and ratify laws based on what the Constituion says which are intended to GOVERN the way American citizens are to live, then exactly why do you think our forefathers went to the trouble of making SCOTUS the 3rd leg of our government?? The Constitution DOES NOT define any laws, and LAWS ARE WHAT GOVERN THE COUNTRY. Laws which can only be established by SCOTUS and Congress (and of course state courts and legislatures). Without THE LAWS THAT DEFINE WHAT ARE FOREFATHERS INTENDED WHEN THEY WROTE THE CONSTITUION, the Constitution would become a worthless piece of paper. Your argument is pure nonsense.

  10. BigPoppaJumbo says:

    Another ideological purity purge. Sooo..tedious and boring. So out of touch with Americans’ real life concerns.

  11. velvetnsteel says:

    I am blown away. Perhaps there is hope after all. My wish is that this is only the start of a nationwide trend. Conscience has prevailed. i salute you!

  12. MoreFreedom2 says:

    Thus 13 conservatives abandon the RNC. I don’t see any practical change here. Just a vote of no confidence in Boehner, the RNC leadership, and RINOs in general. Maybe the 13 are no longer required to send funds to the RNC. I doubt the RNC has provided them any funds, though I’d expect them to provide funds to their Democrat-light opponents in the R primary.

  13. Al Hubbard says:

    My goodness. The ignorance here regarding Issues like the Constitution is staggering. First of all The Constitution is a set of principles not laws, laws are created by Congress alone and examined or judged by the counts to determine if they comply with the principles implied in the Constitution. Second, The right to keep and bear arms is not in or part of the Constitution! That’s right, nothing in the constitution mentions it. Your right to bear arms is the 2nd amendment (revision to) contained in the Bill of Rights, a separate and completely unique document written well after (1889) the Constitution.

    “The Bill of Rights enumerates freedoms not explicitly indicated in the
    main body of the Constitution, such as freedom of religion, freedom of
    speech, a free press, and free assembly; the right to keep and bear
    arms; freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, security in personal
    effects, and freedom from warrants issued without probable cause;
    indictment by a grand jury for any capital or “infamous crime”; guarantee of a speedy, public trial with an impartial jury; and prohibition of double jeopardy”

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