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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2012 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too all:
I beliueve i free speech and constitutionally protected right to do so..

You CERTANLY CAN  yell &quot;fire&quot; in a theatre. But you are held accountable as it is against the law.

You CERTANLY CAN  yell &quot;fire&quot;  in the world theatre as thsi movie has done... that causes death and destruction....and you should be held accountable.

There is a $100,000 reward for killing the producer and maker of the film and anyone who blasphemes the prophet..

That&#039;s not legal....but it is a consequence of yelling &quot;fire&quot; in the world theatre...
AN HAVE  free speech...that is not what I am talking about.

I am talking about being held accountable for that speech.

Your speech cannot cause the deaths of another human being.

There is no more, theical or constitutional justification.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too all:<br />
I beliueve i free speech and constitutionally protected right to do so..</p>
<p>You CERTANLY CAN  yell &#8220;fire&#8221; in a theatre. But you are held accountable as it is against the law.</p>
<p>You CERTANLY CAN  yell &#8220;fire&#8221;  in the world theatre as thsi movie has done&#8230; that causes death and destruction&#8230;.and you should be held accountable.</p>
<p>There is a $100,000 reward for killing the producer and maker of the film and anyone who blasphemes the prophet..</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not legal&#8230;.but it is a consequence of yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; in the world theatre&#8230;<br />
AN HAVE  free speech&#8230;that is not what I am talking about.</p>
<p>I am talking about being held accountable for that speech.</p>
<p>Your speech cannot cause the deaths of another human being.</p>
<p>There is no more, theical or constitutional justification.</p>
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		<title>By: ajjohnson31</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajjohnson31</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Daniel Bostdorf.

So inciting someone else to commit a crime is criminal?
This reminds me of a different kind of incident - tell me what you think. 

For many years, and currently in many countries, a woman who was raped is blamed for her own attack if she wore a short skirt. The reasoning there is that if she invites the attack by being desirable, a man can actually lose control of himself to the point where he needs to have sex SO much that he is compelled to rape the woman. Her desirability, uncovered, is so strong that he cannot help himself. So he is not charged as a criminal. 

Daniel, are those Muslim Libyans so not able to control themselves, that an invitation to violence cannot be ignored? That is, someone makes fun of their prophet - and they are not criminally responsible if they lose control to the point where they kill people? (Not the ones who did the inviting, by the way - just other people.)

I&#039;m sorry, but everyone - EVERYONE - is responsible for his/her own actions. Words may incite and inflame and invite, but everyone can and should control their reactions to words. This is nothing at all like shouting fire in a theater - completely different. Yelling fire in a theater is not an incitement to violence - it is provoking a person&#039;s fear of death. Unlike with rape, a person who believes she is about to die can lose control of her actions to the point where she climbs on top of other people, walks over them, in order to live.

I can&#039;t be sure, of course, but there is a possibility put forth by several bloggers in the last few days that the violence was coming, anyhow - and the insulting video merely touched the match to the fire where there was already smoke. And those people are definitely responsible for the murders they committed. 

I will not be censored for inflammatory speech; that&#039;s why we have a constitution. You wouldn&#039;t like it, either, as soon as something you said inflamed a person - and instead of arresting the person, they arrest you for inflaming him. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Daniel Bostdorf.</p>
<p>So inciting someone else to commit a crime is criminal?<br />
This reminds me of a different kind of incident &#8211; tell me what you think. </p>
<p>For many years, and currently in many countries, a woman who was raped is blamed for her own attack if she wore a short skirt. The reasoning there is that if she invites the attack by being desirable, a man can actually lose control of himself to the point where he needs to have sex SO much that he is compelled to rape the woman. Her desirability, uncovered, is so strong that he cannot help himself. So he is not charged as a criminal. </p>
<p>Daniel, are those Muslim Libyans so not able to control themselves, that an invitation to violence cannot be ignored? That is, someone makes fun of their prophet &#8211; and they are not criminally responsible if they lose control to the point where they kill people? (Not the ones who did the inviting, by the way &#8211; just other people.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but everyone &#8211; EVERYONE &#8211; is responsible for his/her own actions. Words may incite and inflame and invite, but everyone can and should control their reactions to words. This is nothing at all like shouting fire in a theater &#8211; completely different. Yelling fire in a theater is not an incitement to violence &#8211; it is provoking a person&#8217;s fear of death. Unlike with rape, a person who believes she is about to die can lose control of her actions to the point where she climbs on top of other people, walks over them, in order to live.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t be sure, of course, but there is a possibility put forth by several bloggers in the last few days that the violence was coming, anyhow &#8211; and the insulting video merely touched the match to the fire where there was already smoke. And those people are definitely responsible for the murders they committed. </p>
<p>I will not be censored for inflammatory speech; that&#8217;s why we have a constitution. You wouldn&#8217;t like it, either, as soon as something you said inflamed a person &#8211; and instead of arresting the person, they arrest you for inflaming him. </p>
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		<title>By: amazonfan</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-66626</link>
		<dc:creator>amazonfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have no idea. He&#039;s absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea. He&#8217;s absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-66613</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is absolutely no logical rational thought with Dale????

What is Dale talking about regarding Pitt&#039;s article??

JEESH!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is absolutely no logical rational thought with Dale????</p>
<p>What is Dale talking about regarding Pitt&#8217;s article??</p>
<p>JEESH!</p>
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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your post is interesting but a bit obtuse ..

There are ramifications on one&#039;s actions.

In this case, the video is killing people.

In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &quot;global theatre.&quot;

It is illegal to shout &quot;fire&quot; in any theatre.
This includes the &quot;global theatre.&quot;

The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.
It was like yelling &quot;fire&quot; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#039;t.

Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &quot;fire&quot; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite...
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.

Sure---you have a right to free speech....but not when it causes death and destruction.

Regarding the belief posted here:

&quot;I&#039;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &quot;

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic: 
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.

The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is interesting but a bit obtuse ..</p>
<p>There are ramifications on one&#8217;s actions.</p>
<p>In this case, the video is killing people.</p>
<p>In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is illegal to shout &#8220;fire&#8221; in any theatre.<br />
This includes the &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.<br />
It was like yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite&#8230;<br />
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.</p>
<p>Sure&#8212;you have a right to free speech&#8230;.but not when it causes death and destruction.</p>
<p>Regarding the belief posted here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &#8221;</p>
<p>Which came first? The chicken or the egg?<br />
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic:<br />
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.</p>
<p>The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)</p>
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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-66607</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree.

The loaded gun was left in the world of youtube.

In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &quot;global theatre.&quot;

It is illegal to shout &quot;fire&quot; in any theatre.
This includes the &quot;global theatre.&quot;

The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.
It was like yelling &quot;fire&quot; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#039;t.

Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &quot;fire&quot; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite...
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.

Sure---you have a right to free speech....but not when it causes death and destruction.

Regarding the belief posted here:

&quot;I&#039;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &quot;

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic: 
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.

The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.</p>
<p>The loaded gun was left in the world of youtube.</p>
<p>In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is illegal to shout &#8220;fire&#8221; in any theatre.<br />
This includes the &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.<br />
It was like yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite&#8230;<br />
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.</p>
<p>Sure&#8212;you have a right to free speech&#8230;.but not when it causes death and destruction.</p>
<p>Regarding the belief posted here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &#8221;</p>
<p>Which came first? The chicken or the egg?<br />
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic:<br />
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.</p>
<p>The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)</p>
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		<title>By: daniel bostdorf</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-66606</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel bostdorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2012 00:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Th violence was incited by  someone yelling fire in a crowded theatre.
In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &quot;global theatre.&quot;

It is illegal to shout &quot;fire&quot; in any theatre.
This includes the &quot;global theatre.&quot;

The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.
It was like yelling &quot;fire&quot; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#039;t.

Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &quot;fire&quot; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite...
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.

Sure---you have a right to free speech....but not when it causes death and destruction.

Regarding the belief posted here:

&quot;I&#039;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &quot;

Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic: 
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.

The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Th violence was incited by  someone yelling fire in a crowded theatre.<br />
In this age of social media, facebook, youtube, twitter and others, we now live an a &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is illegal to shout &#8220;fire&#8221; in any theatre.<br />
This includes the &#8220;global theatre.&#8221;</p>
<p>The anti-muslim video was obscene and a total lie.<br />
It was like yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; in the theater. And it should not be condoned. And it isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Those who made this film must be held legally accountable for yelling &#8220;fire&#8221; that has caused an already incendiary situation to finally ignite&#8230;<br />
Essentually this video was the match that sparked a fire in a theatre. A global one.</p>
<p>Sure&#8212;you have a right to free speech&#8230;.but not when it causes death and destruction.</p>
<p>Regarding the belief posted here:</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not convinced that the video was the direct cause of the killings in Libya. &#8221;</p>
<p>Which came first? The chicken or the egg?<br />
Philosopher Aristotle solves this with simple loigic:<br />
The chicken came first so an egg could be laid.</p>
<p>The anti-muslim film (the actual) caused the Libyian riots and others (the potential)</p>
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		<title>By: amazonfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>amazonfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You don&#039;t know the first thing about Islam in the slightest. I can&#039;s say that I&#039;m surprised since racists and bigots never bother with research! 

Oh, and it was extremists who were responsible. You do understand what that means? They were extremists, just as those who bomb abortion clinics and kill dozens of Muslims in Norway are extremists! Or if you are willing to blame this on Islam, perhaps we should allocate blame for such acts where it belongs- Christians! It should also be noted that Christianity is responsible for more killings and horrors than any other religion!  Stupid Islamophobe!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You don&#8217;t know the first thing about Islam in the slightest. I can&#8217;s say that I&#8217;m surprised since racists and bigots never bother with research! </p>
<p>Oh, and it was extremists who were responsible. You do understand what that means? They were extremists, just as those who bomb abortion clinics and kill dozens of Muslims in Norway are extremists! Or if you are willing to blame this on Islam, perhaps we should allocate blame for such acts where it belongs- Christians! It should also be noted that Christianity is responsible for more killings and horrors than any other religion!  Stupid Islamophobe!!!</p>
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		<title>By: amazonfan</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-66558</link>
		<dc:creator>amazonfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ignorant, paranoid, cowardly, bigotted. Lovely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorant, paranoid, cowardly, bigotted. Lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: Solomon Quist</title>
		<link>http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-price-of-freedom/#comment-65963</link>
		<dc:creator>Solomon Quist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2012 01:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The world is not a dangerous place. It is those who live in it who are dangerous. Just as the West is  bewildered by the incomprehension of others about the freedom of expression so  also are others bewildered by the bulldog pursuit of the freedom of speech by the West even at whatever cost. 

The film that is the centre of the controversy was certainly  produced not for commercial gains or educational pursuit. Except deviants, conscience, that little voice within everybody will certainly forewarn you of possible repercussions of your course of action. From precedents, the people concerned , even if they were braindead should have forseen the consequences of their project and anyone who will claim that it upheld freedom of speech must surely be a genius.  A person who carelessly leaves a loaded gun that results in a death is more guilty of the mishap. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is not a dangerous place. It is those who live in it who are dangerous. Just as the West is  bewildered by the incomprehension of others about the freedom of expression so  also are others bewildered by the bulldog pursuit of the freedom of speech by the West even at whatever cost. </p>
<p>The film that is the centre of the controversy was certainly  produced not for commercial gains or educational pursuit. Except deviants, conscience, that little voice within everybody will certainly forewarn you of possible repercussions of your course of action. From precedents, the people concerned , even if they were braindead should have forseen the consequences of their project and anyone who will claim that it upheld freedom of speech must surely be a genius.  A person who carelessly leaves a loaded gun that results in a death is more guilty of the mishap. </p>
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