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Saturday, September 24, 2016

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  • disqus_ivSI3ByGmh

    I think I have figured out why Wayne LaPierre is so dead set against background checks. They will discover that he has been under psychiatric treatment for decades and is ineligible to purchase a firearm!

    • CPAinNewYork

      I thought that being under psychiatric care was a prerequisite to purchasing assault rifles. No?

  • ObozoMustGo

    And now…. The REAL Cartoon Of The Day!

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    Have a nice day!

    The Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE State, the Right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED [violated].”

    • jmprint

      There are no infringements, just rules, the same type we use in owning a vehicle, since they can be used as weapons.

      • Michael Kollmorgen

        HUSH!

        Don’t speak the truth. OMG can’t tolerate it.

      • ObozoMustGo

        You dont have a God-given natural right, recognized in the Constitution, to drive as you do have one to keep and bear arms. Apples and oranges, moron!

        Have a nice day!

        As Founding Father Tench Coxe said, while attempting to allay the fears of critics of the proposed Constitution: “The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The
        militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God
        it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

        • jmprint

          God did not provide the Constitution, you MORON. If you want to live in the past do so, but the rest of us want to move forward. There is no need for a militia, only if you are sick in the head.

          • ObozoMustGo

            WOW!!! You are about as stupid as stupid gets. We are endowed by our Creator (that’s God for you idiots out there) with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS. Those rights God gives to each human are recognized in the Constitution and are codified in the Bill of Rights. It is not a Bill of NEEDS. It is a Bill of RIGHTS. Without those 10 Amendments, we would NOT be the USA. It would have never happened. I never said The Constitution was written by God, you idiot. It was written, however, to organize the government to GUARANTEE those rights would not be violated.

            I just don’t understand how you leftist freaks just cannot understand these basic tenets of American history.

            By the way, what the hell does “move forward” mean.. In English…. in real language. Educate me, please.

            Have a nice day!

            When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

            That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security………………….

          • BillP

            Pity Bozo this is the highlight of his very mundane day. It’s on this website he shows us his intelligence (sic) through his copied statements and cartoons. Then it’s back to mommy’s basement for the remainder of the day. By the way Bozo the word is “Inalienable” not “Unalienable”.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hey stupid.. the word is UNalienable in the original text. Here’s the link you moron:
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_declaration_independence.jpg
            Just click on the picture of the DOI and enlarge it. Then go look.
            You’re just another leftist idiot in this sewer that is The Memo.
            Have a nice day, fool!

          • BillP

            Oohh that’s what I enjoy about you good christian right wingers, always displaying charity and understanding. Bozo if this is such a sewer why do you spend so much time on it. Oh I forgot you are just trying to enlighten us. I guess calling me a fool is your way of being a good christian. You know that makes me so sad when you call me names, how old are 12?? Do you still give your mommy her medicine at 4pm, that’s stirred not shaken.

          • jmprint

            “You dont have a God-given natural right”..; is that not what you wrote.

            The only natural right you have is life and death, the rest is what you make of it.

            You stupid, ignorant, idiot, rant all you want, just because you quote other people’s writings, doesn’t not make you any brighter. Your hate for President Obama is what drives you.

            We understand American History as well as you do. Anybody can copy and paste parts of the bill of rights and the constitution. Problem is you are delusional and paranoid.

            I live in a wonderful world, with a few folks that are greedy, selfish and racist, other than that I have no problems – DO YOU.

            Moving forward means overcoming those fews things…GREED and RACISM. Sounds like you have an abundance of these two.

          • ObozoMustGo

            “”You dont have a God-given natural right”..; is that not what you wrote.”
            –> That’s to drive a car, you idiot. And it was contrasted to the God-given rights of self defense or life, liberty, and property. Read in context, please.

            “The only natural right you have is life and death, the rest is what you make of it.”
            –> You are a weak-minded fool. Do you have a right to your own thoughts? Can they be controlled? Of course not. You have a right to your life. You have a right to protect yourself. You have a right to your own labor. Odd thing is that you wrote that “The only natural right is life…” when I’ll bet you support the murder of innocent babies in or out of the mother’s womb, don’t you?

            “You stupid, ignorant, idiot, rant all you want, just because you quote other people’s writings, doesn’t not make you any brighter. Your hate for President Obama is what drives you.”
            –> It is a common leftist freak belief that there was not wisdom in the world before they were born. False. Quoting others from our past is a way to connect their wisdom and insight to the current day. Only an idiot cannot see that. And you are correct. I do hate Obozo. I’ve never run from that. He hates America. I hate him. It’s really that simple.

            “We understand American History as well as you do. Anybody can copy and paste parts of the bill of rights and the constitution. Problem is you are delusional and paranoid.”
            –> You don’t know sheet about American history. Odd how you deride quoting from the very Bill of Rights that even protects an idiot like you to prove to the world how stupid he is. Of course I quote from the Bill of Rights, you dope! It’s the law of the land. Should I quote from something you like? Mein Kampf? Communist Manifesto? Those would be better in your opinion, wouldn’t they?

            “I live in a wonderful world, with a few folks that are greedy, selfish and racist, other than that I have no problems – DO YOU.”
            –> What is “greedy”? A man seeking to keep the fruits of his own labor, or the politician who demands that man’s earnings under the threat of imprisonment so that he can use other’s earnings for his political gain? Which one is greedy?

            “Moving forward means overcoming those fews things…GREED and RACISM. Sounds like you have an abundance of these two.”
            –> That’s it? Just greed and racism? Shouldn’t homophobia, discrimination, income inequality, gender inequality, and all other forms of inequality be abolished too? Why stop at greed and racism? Now let me ask you this. If you want to move forward and it means overcoming greed and racism, and other things I put on the list for you, how exactly do you do propose to change human nature? Through government control over people? Do you think this has not been tried before? Where has it worked? One other question…. how is it that leftist policies are just automatically assumed to solve greed and racism better than people living free with liberty and individual sovereignty? Why is it assumed that bureaucrats and politicians are somehow more noble and not afflicted with the same weaknesses that all of us are? How’d they convince you of this?

            Awating your response I remain…

            Have a nice day!

            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

          • jmprint

            Do you have a right to your own thoughts? Can they be controlled? Of course I do, and NO I will not allow to be controlled. And abortion is a women’s constitutional right.

            But I’m tired of playing your foolish game so GOOD-BYE

          • ObozoMustGo

            Too many difficult questions, I see. Maybe some that you have not yet pondered? Try thinking a little bit, JM. Especially with questions of yourself that challenge your predisposed feelings on matters.

            I knew I was right about your stating people have a right to life, but you make that exception for the murder of innocent babies. Hmmmmm…. I smell hypocrisy easily.

            Have a nice day, JM!

            “The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

          • jmprint

            No, OBOZO I am not challenged by you. I am a productive individual, not retired, so don’t have all the time for your stupidity. Unless you have been victimized as a women, you have no right to question a women’s morals. That is for God to judge and only GOD. You will do just fine keeping your morals in tact. You are more of a hypocrite with your rights to own weapons that kill many, not only children.

          • Robert P. Robertson

            What is an amendment but a clarification of an Article in the 7 original Bill of Rights? You quote the Declaration of Independence as if that supports your misinterpretation of the Second Amendment, but the Despots Jefferson is referring to is the British. Who is America being invaded by today, unless you’re referring to the republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea bags in Congress and the Senate. They’re not only traitors, but a bunch of obstructionist despots.

          • plc97477

            And if sick in the head, not able to pass a background check. See where the problem is.

        • Robert P. Robertson

          You pissy assed little bitch, Tench Coxe was not a Founding Father but a failed writer who was kicked out of Washington by John Adams. His greatest moment was serving as secretary for Alexander Hamilton, probably under Hamilton’s desk with a cum stain on his navy blue coat. Get your facts straight before you swing on people’s nuts, clown.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie. I see your obsession with genitalia continues, you sexual deviant.

            Have a nice day, pervert!

            The Second Amendment: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE State, the Right of the people to keep and bear Arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED [violated].”

          • Robert P. Robertson

            I see you’re still avoiding the original Article that amendment 2 addresses. Then you send out some dumb assed poster showing that gun control is racist. You’re one twisted sister, Bozo— but you’re tons of fun! However, you choose to look at it, amendment 2 does not give any regular citizen the right to bear arms. It is talking about the military or any citizen of a “free state” who is inducted under the official discipline of the military to keep and bear arms. You can swing on as many nuts as you’d like to prove your agenda, it doesn’t change the intent and meaning of the law. That is the whole problem of the complaints from Republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bags like yourself and many others. The enemy you decry is yourselves.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie. Pretending to act as though you know a single thing about the Constitution. Hey stupid… here’s a newsflash for you. The Bill of Rights IS NOT an amendment to any articles of the Constitution. They are ADDITIONS to it that were required by the states before they would consider ratification of the Constitution itself, you dope! And yes it does give every citizen the right to keep and bear arms that shall NOT be infringed. You obviously have no clue what you are talking about and have never looked into either the Federalist Papers or any of the supporting documentation, like notes and letters, from any of the authors of the Constitution that outlines what they really meant. And that was that the government CANNOT infringe or stop Americans from keeping and bearing arms. It’s that simple, moron. Get it?

            Go back to your crack pipe now, loser.

            Have a nice day, pervert!

            “The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation… (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison of Virginia, The Federalist, No. 46)

          • Robert P. Robertson

            For one thing, The Federalist Papers is not the law but a bunch of opinions by some very irrelevant and insignificant people. America does not live under the opinions in the Federalist Papers, bitch. We live under the law of The Constitution. The federalist Papers mean nothing to no one except a bunch of shit eating republicunts and neo-Confederate Tea Bags. Don’t twist my words, pussy. I know what I said, and I didn’t say that the Bill of Rights were amendments. the original bill of rights is the law! The amendement only ADDRESSES the Articles in the Bill of Rights. Look up the word “AMEND” idiot and get a fucking clue. When you look at Atricle 1:8;18, no citizen of the United states is allowed to own or possess a weapon unlerss that individual is under the official capacity of the United States military. Read it and weep. People were only allowed to keep arms to hunt for food, or to defend themselves against the threat of indigenous Americans from taking their country back from invaders. But it was idiots like you who misinterpret that PRIVILEGE that is the problem. you don’t be careful, somebody intelligent will come along and read Article 1:8;16 and Amendment 2 for what it really says and order all weapons possessed by citizens be unconstitutional, and unlawful, and confiscate them. I would love to see how you cowardly pussies would respond to that.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie, the sexual predator obsessed with genitalia.

            Dude, where did you get your copy of the Constitution? Media Matters? Obozo campaign propganda? NO WHERE in the Constitution does it say “no citizen is allowed to own or possess a weapon except for hunting and self defense.” You are smoking crack again, you idiot. For all of you leftist morons reading this, just so you don’t repeat this idiot’s lies, here is the actual text of the of Article 1, Section 8, Powers of Congress, to which Retard Robbie the sexual predator most likely refers:

            “To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”

            Other than that, Article 1, Section 8, which is referred to as the Necessary and Proper Clause, has to do with enumerating the powers granted to Congress. It has nothing to do with citizens keeping and bearing arms. NOTHING. Don’t let this moron mislead you.

            As to you Retard Robbie…. your other response to me where you attempt to say the Federalist Papers mean nothing is a piece of absolute stupidity. The primary author of the Constitution was James Madison, though certainly he did not do it alone. There were 3 authors of the Federalist Papers, Madison, Hamilton, and Jay. Madison wrote most of them. The Federalist Papers were the philosophical explanations behind The Constitution, you idiot, and are therefore completely appropriate as a reference behind the meaning of more ambiguous sections of the Constitution itself. Think of it as a reference guide.
            Retard Robbie, you are proving yourself to be Fern Woodfork level stupid. Clearly.

            Have a nice day, pervert!

            “The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation… (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison of Virginia, The Federalist, No. 46)

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Don’t twist what I said in a sophmoric game, Bozo the Clown. It’s unbecoming of a lady (if I can risk calling you that. Sometimes you could be quite the bitch). Thank you for laying out Article 1:8;16 for me. You proved my point. Check out the date when Article 1:8;16 was drafted. May 1787? It is the first article in the origina Bill of Rights.
            Okay, when was Amendment 2 drafted? December 15, 1791? Amendment 2 was drafted to clarify or explain or correct Article 1:8;16, Bozo. Read them in order, Bozo. don’t take them to be what you want them to be. You say I’m a pervert and a moron, but I’m comprehending Article 1:8;16 and Amendment 2 a lot better than you with your big brained self. You’re so smart, Bozo, it’s utterly astounding. But, somehow, you’re not reading the article and the amendment together. Both goes hand-in-hand, Bozo, and they explicitly tell us who should bear and keep arms.
            The Federalist Papers are no more than works of art, not philosophies as you so astutely put it. They are for entertainment and are not to be taken seriously. The most important thing is, the Federalist Papers IS NOT THE LAW. We live under the United States Constitution, Bozo. As intelligent an erudite as you are, I know you know that. It’s not like Paul Ryan, or yourself, who takes Ayn Rand’s horrific fiction as real life. As far as myself and other morons, we chose to face reality. The Federalist Papers are worth no more than the paper it is written on.
            I don’t post to convince anybody of anything or to impress anyone of anything. I post and give my opinion and use available facts to support my opinions. Fern Woodfox is a very capable and intelligent woman. Atleast she’s not hiding behind a mask, and that tells me she’s real. She give some very intelligent and observant opinions that many of us enjoy and appreciate. I have yet to see one instance where Fern or any of the other posters on NM twist, distort, or tell a flat out lie, unlike you highly professional Republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bag posters. They might joke about something in a humorous or dark way, but its always on point. I remember when you used to post on yahoo, but they ran your sorry butt off of there because not even the most poisonous cotton-mouth white supremacist could stand you.
            I hope I amended some of your darkest views of me, Bozo the Clown. You’re tons of fun. And, by the way, if you ever run out of nuts to swing on, you can swing on mine sometimes. Seriously, it’s okay.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie, the sexual deviant with an unhealthy obsession with genetalia.

            Hey stupid…. the 2nd Amendment was not DRAFTED on December 15, 1791. THAT’S THE DATE THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS RATIFIED, you stupid moron!!! By the way, in the original text of the Constitution. the clauses are not numbered. If they were, there would only be 17, not 18 like you originally stated. You’re an idiot.

            You are correct about 1 thing. The Constitution IS the law of the land (at least in theory) and the 2nd Amendment states that THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Do you know what SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means? That means the Congress shall make no laws infringing on my rights to keep and bear arms. NO LAWS!

            And you have solidified yourself as at least as stupid, perhaps more, than that single digit IQ moron Fern. For you to say that the Federalist Papers, which are the backbone of rationale behind the Constitution, are of no importance makes you look like an undeducated fool. While they of course are not the law, they are the explanation and reasoning behind why the law (Consitution) was created as it was. In that manner, they are indespensible as tools for understanding the intent of the founders in creating the laws under which we are supposed to live and our government is supposed to function. You leftist freaks don’t like the Federalist Papers because reading them further restricts your ability to manipulate and alter the very nature of the relationship between government and the citizens. The understanding the Founders’ intent thwarts your socialist, utopian plans and efforts to control the people.

            Go back to your crack pipe, you loser. It’s the only reality you find amenable to your radical desires.

            Have a nice high, pervert!

            “Liberty, in the most general acceptation of the word, is nothing else than the power of executing the will, and accomplishing your desires; now the nature of every being endowed with will, is such that this faculty of willing causes his happiness or unhappiness; he is happy when his desires are accomplished, and unhappy when they are not; and happiness or misery are proportioned in him according to the degree of his gratification or disappointment. It follows that his liberty and happiness are the same thing. He would always be completely happy if he had always the power of executing his will, and the degree of his happiness is always proportionate to the degree of his power.” — Antoine Louis Claude Destutt, Count of Tracy (1754 – 1836), in his book “A Commentary and Review of Montesquieu’s “Spirit of Laws,” translated by Thomas Jefferson in an edition first printed in Philadelphia in 1811.

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Look bitch. I’m tired of taking you to class, okay. The original Bill of rights were ratified when nine of the original states accepted it in June 1788, and was officially ratified in March 1789. (sigh) The Amendments were drafted and ratified on Dec. 15, 1791. There was originally ten amendments which expanded through time to 27, the last being on May 7, 1992. I understand the Constitution thoroughly, Bozo the Clown, and I don’t need a half-assed, sophomoric Clown to tell me what I said. Go swing on somebody else’s nuts, or get along and scamper back into the corrupted vagina of Ayn Rand.

    • highpckts

      Nobody want your freakin’ guns! How many times does that have to be said! You have rules and regulations with anything dangerous ergo a gun! Keep your stupid gun, just do the paperwork you worthless twit!

      • ObozoMustGo

        high… you must be high! Go back to your crack pipe now. it’s calling you. Can you hear it?

        Have a nice high!

        “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives
        of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

        • highpckts

          That’s all you can do is quote quotes!Never an original thought! Typical!

        • Robert P. Robertson

          Wait, how’d you swing on Thomas Sewel nuts? Thomas Sewell has been emasculated by the NRA! Damn, how’d you do that, Bozo? You’re a death defying clown!

      • plc97477

        No one wants his guns unless he can be proven to be crazy or a criminal. He might have reason to worry.

    • Jim Myers

      What part of WELL REGULATED do you not understand?

      • ObozoMustGo

        Jimbo…. you’re confusing the 2nd Amenment components. The well regulated militia is to be formed out of the citizens who are armed, if ever needed. Clearly, if you understood an ounce of American history or our founding, you would know this. You may not like it, but you would know it. Instead, like all leftist freaks, our Constitution is something that is a problem for the implimentation of your grand schemes. It’s why leftist freaks invented the term “living document” which really means “we get to interpret it however the hell we want to interpret it”. Too bad for you. You should lead a charge to repeal the 2nd Amendment. Good luck with that.

        Have a nice day!

        As Founding Father Tench Coxe said, while attempting to allay the fears of critics of the proposed Constitution: “The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The
        militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American… [T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God
        it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” – Tench Coxe, Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          Hah!

          If our Constitution WASN’T a living document, meaning changeable, we wouldn’t have all of our Amendments and we certainly wouldn’t have all these Supreme Court Rulings changing various components of it, for or against any issue pertaining to it’s language.

          Besides, if we all had to live, LITERALLY, by its wording and implied meanings, we’d still be living in the 1700s.

          We would have NEVER become as “modernized” as we have. And, I pretty dam sure, someone would have never come along and invented a gun that could shoot massive amounts of bullets that kill our children and our fellow citizens.

          Maybe times were better back then (pure sarcasm of course). You’d be owning only a Flintlock and the NRA would have never been created as well as the rest of our corrupted society.

          • ObozoMustGo

            I’d suggest that there wasn’t any way for you to be that stupid, but I’d be wrong in that suggestion. Clearly you are. How clouded can your mind be to as to actually believe that economic advancement comes from judges making rulings? Or that no economic advancement would have been enabled while people remianed free and government remained miniscule? Mike, you are on crack, dude. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read on here. I mean, that’s like Fern Woodfork kind of stupid. Her stupidity knows no bottom.

            How do other countries have economic advancement without our Constitution? Of course they do. Certainly there is a relationship between form of government and economic advancement. But that relationship is inversely related. The more free a people and the more free their economy, the more economic advancement. But it’s not judges and politicians that create economic advancement…. it’s free people pursuing their own interests.

            FYI for all of you leftist freak morons…… The Constitution is a document that codifies the relationship of government to the citizen. That the citizen is sovereign and free to live their own life. That government’s only job is to guarantee the protection of our unalienable rights that were endowed by our Creator. There is no need to change that. The only reason you leftist morons want it “living” is so that you can change the nature of that relationship at your discretion for your own political ends. This is why there has been so much terrible law that has been “made” out of whole cloth by the SCOTUS. Witness Obozocare. Witness Dred Scott. Horrible, horrible decisions.

            BTW…. the Constitution would NEVER have been ratified in the first place without the first 10 Amendments known as the Bill of Rights. Notice it says RIGHTS… not a Bill of NEEDS.

            Have a nice day!

            “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is
            strong enough to take everything you have.” — Thomas Jefferson

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Evidently, you must be very ignorant about how powerful corporations are in designing legislation and having their political hacks instituting them.

            You’re not as smart as you think you are. But, as usual, people like you are like the Emperor With No Clothes.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Mike, I’ve brought up this theme several times recently and will do it again with you. The problem with you big government leftist freaks is that you don’t understand that the bigger the government, the tighter the integration of government and big business. They perpetuate one another. Corporations by financing politicians, and politicians by creating laws and stifling regulation that raises the cost of potential competition that would threaten those corporations currently financing them. You decry corporate influence in government out of one side of your mouth, and then beg for more government involvement in business out of the other side of your mouth. Your own folly and hypocrisy is completely oblivious to you. Do you understand that the bigger the government, the more corrupt the government? Case in point is the IRS harrassment of Obozo political opponents. IF, and I say IF, the harrassment was not a direct order from Obozo, then the fact that it happened IS the perfect example of how big, intrusive government is corrupted.Same thing goes for spying on AP and Fox reporters. Who knows how deep that scandal runs?

            The only real solution is a Constitutionally limited federal government. Sates are free to do as they please, but the fed has got to be cut down by drastic margins. We the people are no longer the people, but are rapidly becoming subjects where government dominates every facet of life.

            Have a nice day!

            “As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose–that it may violate property instead of protecting it–then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You are only partly right.

            My comment to counter your comment would take a book and I really don’t have the time and certainly not the space in here.

            But, here is a teaser for you to ponder. Things are NOT as they seem. Government on its own merits IS NOT the evil one.

            The very nature of Corporations ARE EVIL and are counter-production to overall societal goals.

            And, our Supreme Court just gave them HUMAN RIGHTS!

          • ObozoMustGo

            The answer to your teaser is that neither government nor corporations are evil. It’s the people in them that can be evil, though most are not. You have a twisted and delusional view of the world if you think that a piece of paper in a legal filing (that’s what a corporation is, dope) is evil. It is not. And those people in that business, whatever it is, have every single right to political speech as does the employee unions. Corporations are people just like unions are people. Both have a right to political speech. You leftist freaks don’t like Citizens United ruling because it gives you competition in raising money and influencing politics. Admit it, Mikey. It’s true. You hate the competition.

            The only difference between a so-called “evil corporation” and “evil government” is that you can choose to NOT deal with a corporation. You cannot choose to to NOT deal with government. They influence EVERY citizen. And the bigger they are, the more intrusive and evil they are. Witness Obozo’s abuse of power in using the IRS to harrass Americans who were political opponents.

            Have a nice day!

            “The most important single central fact about a free market is that no exchange takes place unless both parties benefit.” –
            Milton Friedman

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Oh well, believe what you wish.

            At least we have that freedom still intact.

    • Michael Kollmorgen

      I won’t blame the NRA for Sandy Hook or any mass murderer. But, they sure had their hands in it.

      And, there is NO such thing as a well regulated Militia, certainly not the last 300 years. The only military force which is highly regulated is the United States Military and the State(s) National Guard.

      Everyone else is nothing more than Weekend Warriors.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Like AAA has a hand in drunk driving! Yeah, right. Sure, sure.

        Have a nice day!

        “To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” — George Mason, Founding Father known as the Father of the Bill of Rights.

      • Germansmith

        People, specially those who have lived in other countries were freedom and liberty were taken from them, are going to be reluctant to let go of their weapons.
        Americans are by definition, rebellious and mistrustful of government, it is part of our basic character.
        Now that we live in a “brave new world” where there is a real feeling that government is in all aspects of our life (cameras, Patriot Act, Drones, internet surveillance, financial oversights and so on) has awaken a real sense of paranoia in most of us.
        But remember, just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not really out to get you……

        • Michael Kollmorgen

          Most of these fears are totally unfounded.

          As far as Big Brother Watching, I’d start worrying more about our Corporations first.

          The Government can’t hold a candle to what our Corporations have been doing to us.

          • Germansmith

            Well, that is OK
            Corporations wants my money, but nowhere they can force me to spend it. If I do not want a product or service I do not need to purchase it or can buy it somewhere else.
            Governments (democrats or republicans) want your obedience and compliance, because they think they know better than you what you really need and want. And because they have guns, make laws at a whim and have armies to enforce them, the bigger the government is, the more powerful they are and the more they want into your life.
            They tell you who you need to do business with, how is to be conducted and if you are in the eye of the storm, they can take you out of business with a single law…while they claim they are doing it for the “common good”.
            Corporations do not go snooping into journalists files and e-mails or are able to listen to your private phone conversations. Corporations do not go indicting and freezing the assets of e-money firms used by millions of clients claiming that all those millions of client are criminals doing money laundering.
            Corporations do not use the power of the IRS to go after political opponents. Corporations in the 21st century do not go around sending weapons to bad characters that may be used eventually against the taxpayers that paid for them. Corporations do not have drones snooping into MY property (where I am expected to have privacy) and see what I am doing.
            Government have a the very important role to protect the safety of our nation, build and maintain the infrastructure that we need and assure a fair shake for all the citizens. But like all institutions, it has the basic tendency to grow …it is the responsibility of voters to prune it when it grows too large and costly.
            I seen all this happens before and if it is OK with you, I will keep my gun clean and safely and take full responsibility that it would not be used by any psycho for any unwarranted killing.

          • Allan Richardson

            Corporations cannot force you to buy a product from them, but they CAN force you to pay more than you want if they have a MONOPOLY on the product. And when all the makers and sellers of a product (at least all of the largest ones) collude and fix prices and features, they are still a monopoly.

            In the labor market, large corporations have a MONOPSONY, meaning that only a few large BUYERS are in the market for a product (labor) produced by many SELLERS. This is why YOUR income (unless you are already one of the 1%) has, in real dollars, gone DOWN (slightly if you are middle class, a great deal if you are working poor) while the income of the CEO of your employer has gone up 300 times since 1980. And that was BEFORE the crash of 2007.

          • Germansmith

            Allan
            Monopolies exist when government permit it. TR busted monopolies. Price collusion, if it can be proved, is illegal. If I was Holder I would definitely consider looking into it instead of snooping on journalist’s e-mails trying to find disloyal employees giving leaks to the press or spreading weapons around (with no ability to trace them down) to Mexican Drug cartels.
            My income have gone down in the last 2 years as a reaction of health insurance companies to Obamacare. I was doing fine helping my clients save thousands of dollars a year for the benefits programs they implemented for their employees as well as implementing new benefits for them until Obamacare came along.

          • ObozoMustGo

            German, very well put. You’ll find that you’re pissing up a rope with most of these leftist freaks in this sewer called The Memo. They don’t understand that the bigger the government, the tighter the integration of government and big business. They perpetuate one another. Corporations by financing politicians, and politicians by creating laws and stifling regulation that raises the cost of potential competition that would threaten those corporations. The decry corporate influence in government out of one side of their mouths, and then beg for more government involvement in business out of the other side of their mouths. Their own folly is completely oblivious to them.

            On the issue of guns, you’re damned right. If you are from a country where you were not allowed to keep and bear arms, you certainly cherish that right as an American. Further, the whole reason the 2nd Amendment is in the Bill of Rights is as a sort of last resort panic button against tyranny, from without or within their own government. It’s that simple. The leftist freaks are oblivious to this concept, as well. All the while they are clamoring for more government tyranny in our lives and simultaneously telling us that we don’t need to every worry about government tyranny in our lives. The hypocrisy and stupidity of these people is astounding.

            Have a great day, and keep fighting the good fight!

            “The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation… (where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” (James Madison of Virginia, The Federalist, No. 46)

          • Robert P. Robertson

            You’re unwinding, bitch, because you can’t get anybody to listen to you but a bitter, disgruntled immigrant who is probably a fucking sleeper waiting to awaken against you, idiot. Go crawl bak into the rancid womb of Ayn Rand where you can feel comfort and warm in wretched disease, Bozo the Clown, the Great Dic-taker!

          • Germansmith

            My family have been fighting tyranny for 3 generations…very few of us left. Only those who left because they were too young to fight.
            In our combined experience of those 3 generations, the first thing a tyrannical government do is take away the arms from the civilians and grow a disproportionate army with the excuse of “protecting the country against foreign attackers” and limiting and infiltrating civil minded groups…sounds familiar?
            My other fear is the complete ignorance and complacency of the citizens in the US. Rare is any election that draws more than 50% of the eligible to vote and a lot of those people that vote are not quite clear of the issues or the candidates.
            Money in elections is also a problem.We are not electing the best possible candidates, we are electing the candidates that corporations can buy.

          • ObozoMustGo

            German…. you are 100% correct. Obozo and the leftists are just the symptom of a greater problem: a stupid, uneducated and apathetic population. Obozo is just a fool. The danger is the legions of fools that made him their prince. And there are many of those fools on here who have no clue what they are talking about and have no clue what policies and politicians they support will lead to down the road. They act as if there are no consequences to what they propose. Yet, you have experienced those consequences first hand. And the audacity of idiots on this site, like Retard Robbie the pervert, attempt to insult you and put you down because your wisdom and experience contradict their fantasies of what real socialism and tyranny is actually like. There’s no learning with a moron like that guy. Consider his attacks a badge of honor, as I do.

            Have a great day, German!

            “It is indeed difficult to imagine how men who have entirely renounced the habit of managing their own affairs could be successful in choosing those who ought to lead them. It is impossible to believe that a liberal, energetic, and wise government can ever emerge from the ballots of a nation of servants.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

          • Germansmith

            Well. People like Robinson have plagued humanity since the beginning.
            He is what you call a “True Believer”, kind of similar to the dead end Nazis at the end of WWII and the priests from the Spanish Inquisition. They have their Dogma and damn are all those that may sponsor a different opinion. He can not argue a valid point…he can only get angry and insult. I am sorry for his dog if he has one.
            I for my part will ignore him and forgive him for his transgressions, but I am also no replying to him until he comes out with a half reasonable argument….but, I am not holding my breath.

          • ObozoMustGo

            German… if you’re waiting for civility from Retard Robbie the pervert, you’ll have better luck waiting for Obozo to be honest about Benghazi/Fast & Furious/IRS abuse of power/Spying on AP and Fox reporters. Somewhere in hell, the devil is looking for his snow gloves. Yeah, right. Sure, sure.

            Have a nice day!

            By the way, from where did you originate prior to coming to America?

            “As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow-citizens, the
            people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.”
            — Tench Coxe (1755–1824), writing as “A Pennsylvanian,” in “Remarks On The First Part Of The Amendments To The Federal Constitution,” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789, p. 2 col. 1

          • Germansmith

            My family of German descent, migrated to Spain after WWI , fought against the fascists in the Canary Islands, Spain during the civil war. They migrated to Cuba , and all was fine until Castro came along and took our small fruit import/export business. My father spend his last days in jail as a political prisoner.
            I asked for political refuge while visiting Spain in 1968 (Franco was still around and my family was not welcome there) so then migrated to the US as a resident because part of my family was already here for over 20 years and were US citizens. Became a US citizen in 1976.

          • ObozoMustGo

            German… America is better off for having you and others like you. You’re much more of an American than any of the leftist freak turds floating around in this sewer called The Memo.

            Have a great weekend!

            “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Bozo, you and the bitter immigrant Germansmith sound like two abused whores complaining about your pimp. You two bitches are whining and licking each other’s wounds! Shut up and go get my money, both o’ you ho’s!

          • Robert P. Robertson

            BUT YOU RAN! YOU FLED FROM GOVERNMENT REPRESSION IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY, you bitter immigrant. You trampled over the bodies of old women and little children to save your life so you can come to America, mooch off the dollars of tax paying Americans, and once you have a full belly, you snidely rebuke Americans for being deprived and disadvantaged by obstructionist Republicunt/neo-Confederaste Tea Bags? You sniveling cowards ought to go back to where you come from and fight to reclaim your honor instead of posting on here criticizing Americans. You’re an ungrateful, bitter immigrant! Probably a sleeper sent to America to awaken and terrorize American society. We did that for you, immigrant, and this is the thanks America get back from you?

          • adrobs

            You certainly don’t sound like a Native American, which, of course, every 4th grader in America knows are the only Americans not descended from immigrants.

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Bozo the Clown, the great Dic-taker! Is this the idea of Republicunt/neo-Confederate Tea Bag out-reach to immigrants? If it is, it’s just another pathetic charade.

        • Robert P. Robertson

          Germansmith, you’re not even a real American. You’re a bitter, disgruntled immigrant, a coward running away from whatever country you came from and gets in America and tries to tell Americans who they are. Why weren’t you so patriotic in your country? Why didn’t you rise up against the repressive government you are running from? Why didn’t you fight and die on the soil fertilized by the flesh and blood of your ancestors? Why don’t you take whatever it is you’ve gained in America and go back to your home-country and fight against the repressive regime that ran you and your family into the arms of America? You fucking immigrants amuse me. You run to America, get all of the benefits and subsidies the government gives you to help you to make it, and when you make it, you have the temerity to castigate Americans who have fallen on their luck or is economically deprive and socially disadvantaged. Take that bitterness and angst to the country you came from to make it what you’d like it to be.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie. Not only are you a sexual predator, you’re a xenophobic bigot. If anyone should leave America, it should be you! By the way, my hunch is that you actually like the invasion of illegal DemonRATS… errr… illegal aliens from south of the border. Those you like, but freedom seeking immigrants who prefer the liberties us Americans enjoy as opposed to the freebies slugs like you demand, they’re not welcome according to a bigot like you.

            Go back to your crack pipe, loser. Don’t worry about a job, either. All of us who work for a living got your back! But then again, in your feeble, small mind we OWE you a living. Don’t we?

            Have a nice high. pervert!

            “The fact is that the average man’s love of liberty is nine-tenths imaginary, exactly like his love of sense, justice and truth. He is not actually happy when free; he is uncomfortable, a bit alarmed, and intolerably lonely. Liberty is not a thing for the great masses of men. It is the exclusive possession of a small and disreputable minority, like knowledge, courage and honor. It takes a special sort of man to understand and enjoy liberty– and he is usually an outlaw in democratic societies.” — H.L.
            Mencken, Baltimore Evening Sun, Feb. 12, A. D. 1923

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Swinging on H.L. Mencken’s nuts again, huh, Bozo the Clown. You’re a pathetic little piece of shit. Your mother should have birthed you in a toilet and flushed your nasty ass! You are a coward and a traitor, an enemy of America, a home grown domestic terrorist who twist reality based upon the twisted views of The federalist Papers, a diseased whore, Ayn Rand, and a alcoholic homosexual, H.L. Mencken. You should be placed on a list of terrorists by the CIA, FBI, DEA, and ATF. “If” you were born here, you’re treasonous activites on this site makes you a criminal, a public menace. You should be placed against a wall with your hands tied behind your back, blindfolded, and asked your last request. I would bet your last request would be to give Wayne LaPierre a righteous blow job.

          • ObozoMustGo

            It’s Retard Robbie, the sexual predator, obsessed with genitalia.

            Have a nice day, pervert!

            “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” – C. S. Lewis

          • Germansmith

            RPR
            You are tiresome and we have been thru this before. If 2 cans of government cheese is a subsidy…then I am guilty.

            America did provide a free education and opportunities and that is all I asked for …and I am grateful for it.
            America is the land of opportunities…….if you want the land of security free healthcare and protections, you must move to Europe, to Greece or Italy…and we all know how that is going for those countries….or maybe you don’t

            You are obviously a senile, angry person that are protecting the freebies you feel your country owes you.

            Well, I will tell you again (but you will probably forget)
            “It is not what your country can do for you, is what you can do for your country”
            Do you care to remember who said that?
            Do you even know the meaning of the word ANGST?

          • Robert P. Robertson

            And I will tell you again, you cowardly, bitter immigrant. Unless you are an illegal alien, you didn’t come into America through the back door. You can tell that bullshit to someone else but I know better. every immigrant America accepts is given free stuff that is tax free until such time you get on your feet in this country. You and your family were moochers, swilling from the government trough just like the rest of the immigrants that come to these shores. You were a free-loader, livning off of my tax dollars so that you can be on this site posting about how sorry Americans are. YOU LIVED OFF OF AMERICANS, IMMIGRANT, I don’t care how much you try to deny it. So, don’t throw stones when you are living in a glass house.

          • Germansmith

            You know nothing. I came here in 1968 and we just got government cheese. My family took care of our needs for a month until I got a job at 14 years old
            This is my last reply to you. I do not argue with insulting idiots

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Write a bitter immigrant book since you love telling your story. it might become a best seller in whatever country you and your family fled from. For my last reply to you, take this with you
            ((o===8 and may it give you sweet dreams.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            Robert:

            Germansmith is a Pen Name he coined on purpose to mislead the readers of his comments. He is not of German Heritage. I don’t remember where he originally came from, but it’s not Germany.

            I don’t consider much of what he states of any value.

            Now, my last name is real and I AM of German Heritage. It means Cool Morning in German.

            Germansmith is a coward by nature. He don’t even have the balls to use his own real name as a Pen Name.

          • Robert P. Robertson

            I respect anyone coming to America for a better life. That’s a facet of America as the home of the free. But when you hear someone like that disparage Americans who are down on their luck or have been manipulated in their condition. Many people who have immigrated to America are very compassionate and considerate, and would go out of their way to help anyone, regardless of their ethnicity. they understand the word “empathy”. He should remove the word German from his monicker and just call him/herself Smith. That’ll be a lot more comfortable behind that mask.

    • RobertCHastings

      looks like a total non-sequitur. The AAA has nothing to do with the manufacture or marketing of motor vehicles, or, for that matter, alcohol, while the NRA is ALL about the manufacture and sale of guns. While almost 5 million NRA members vocally support their Second Amendment rights, and even more vocally resist any attempts at regulation of guns, I don’t think there are any laws on the books that prohibit anyone from suing manufacturers or vendors of alcoholic beverages, if their product is shown to have contributed to some act of mayhem. The NRA managed to get legislation on a federal level to prohibit municipalities (like Chicago) from suing gun manufacturers. Colt, S&W, Taurus, Glock, et al can sell guns to pretty much anyone they want, with impunity. There are age limits for the purchase and consumption of alcohol and tobacco products, even for riding atvs. Very few jurisdictions have in place any prohibition against children owning firearms.

      • ObozoMustGo

        The earlier kids are able to handle and learn to use and respect firearms, the better! The more guns, the better. The NRA manufactures NOTHING. The NRA is supported by 10s of millions of individual Americans supporting them to stop you leftist freaks from assaulting our Constitutional rights. Each time you nutjobs complain about the NRA, I send them more money. And it is NOT true that there are no regulations on guns. There’s too many regulations which only results in more criminals, who do NOT obey the laws, being armed and fewer law abiding citizens being armed. You leftist freaks cannot get this concept through your thick skulls, can you?

        Have a nice day, Robert!

        “The Constitution shall never be construed….to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms.” -Samuel Adams

        • RobertCHastings

          Presently, card-carrying membership in the NRA is a 5 million, the highest in history. Where did you come up with the “tens of millions” number? Even the NRA’s website doesn’t claim to have that many members, or contributors.
          Sorry you so misinterpreted what I said. I DID NOT say there is no regulation.

        • RobertCHastings

          You are correct about the earlier kids learn to use guns safely, the fewer safety issues they will experience. However, with only 1/3 of the country owning guns, that means a lot of kids aren’t getting the kind of training you advocate. So You and your friends need to sell more guns so EVERYONE has a gun! Which is precisely what the NRA is advocating. Of course the NRA doesn’t make guns, but the source for the majority of their money is not their membership, but the gun lobby, so it is easy to understand why the NRA would be advocating for EVERYONE to have one, maybe two, even three guns, plus all the accessories that go along with them. No one in the Obama administration has ever advocated confiscating firearms, or repealing the Second Amendment, two things the NRA falsely claims and conservatives religiously believe (could be because that is what Limbaugh TELLS you to believe). Based upon your posts, it is easy to see that you have never had an original thought of your own, and that you are incapable of finding the truth of anything if it happens to differ from what you have convinced yourself is the truth.

          • Robert P. Robertson

            Based on her posts, Robert, I’ve been telling her that all along.

          • RobertCHastings

            The recent ricin-tainted letters sent to Obama and Bloomberg, and the enclosed not are not just the actions of a deranged person, but they are going to be symptomatic of the disease being spread by the NRA and its supporters, all based upon one entirely false assumption, that reasonable gun control measures as advocated by Michael Bloomberg and the president are all about the confiscation of guns and the rescinding of the Second Amendment. Over the past five years (the entire presidency of Obama), nothing has been either implied or positively stated regarding the confiscation of personal firearms or the repealing of the Second Amendment, either by Bloomberg’s group, or by the current administration. The inflammatory claims of gun advocates is resulting in a bunker mentality among those too weak-minded to ascertain the truth, and too paranoid to even try.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… way more than 1/3 of the country owns guns. In much of the country, nearly 100% of the people do. The US has the highest gun ownership rate by far with an estimated 89 guns per 100 people (UN numbers). This despite the fact that we have much lower rates of gun crimes per 100,000 people than many other countries at just 3.6 (UN numbers). And I can assure you that a large number of people called in a survey asking if they own guns will absolutely LIE about it. Especially in today’s hostile gun ownership environment.

            The NRA is not financed by the gun lobby. The NRA IS THE GUN LOBBY! And most of their funding comes from individual americans, members and donating non-members alike, who through the NRA have a voice with our legislators. That’s the point of the NRA. And the reason we all are against ANY attempts to legislate guns is because we are educated with the tactics of the anti-gun, anti-2nd Amendment control freaks and their longer term agenda to strip us of our rights piece by piece over time. Only an idiot does not recognize this. You call it paranoia, but it’s not. Many of those anti-gun, anti-liberty leftist freaks OPENLY admit what their intentions are, including that piece of old hag garbage Diane Frankenfeinstein who said in public that she would take all guns away from Mr. & Mrs. America. You’ve heard her quote. If not. look it up on YouTube. ANY attempt to pass gun legislation will be vigorously opposed and politicians that support such ideas will be vigorously challenged. Even Pat Toomey in PA is in jeopardy now because his conservative base is leaving him and he’ll NEVER get the DemonRAT vote no matter how much of DemonRAT he acts like.

            Have a nice day, Hasty!

            “The gun control crusade today is like the Prohibition crusade 100 years ago. It is a shared zealotry that binds the self-righteous know-it-alls in a warm fellowship of those who see themselves as fighting on the side of the angels against the forces of evil. It is a lofty role that they are not about to give up for anything so mundane as facts – or even the lives of other people.” – Thomas Sowell, Guns Save Lives 4/3/13

          • RobertCHastings

            Just once it would be so nice if you would not use flawed logic. My statement was very simple and, remarkably, you quoted it correctly, but came up with the wrong conclusion. While there are 300 million guns in this country (enough to supply EVERYONE with one apiece), only 90 million actually own guns. And yes, our RATE of gun ownership is higher than anywhere else in the world, which does NOT mean that everyone owns a gun. What is the rate? And what is the actual number of gun owners? With 5 million members in the NRA, the national rate of membership is extremely low. That does not mean that there are not areas in this country where the membership rates are even lower. There are individuals in this country who personally own dozens, if not hundreds, of guns, which may tend to skew the rate. I realize that is an extremely difficult concept for you to grasp, but I have simplified it as much as I can.
            The Second Amendment has very little to do with the discussion over universal background checks. No one with the authority to follow through is advocating the repeal of the Second Amendment or the confiscation of personally owned firearms, and whether you believe otherwise or not is really irrelevant, considering the incontrovertible truth of the matter. Yes, there are individuals in this country who do, personally, advocate the confiscation of all personally owned firearms, along with the repeal of the Second Amendment; but none of those people are in any position to take meaningful action on those two issues. However, the paranoia that apparently permeates Second Amendment zealots like you makes it easy for the NRA and its backers to do exactly what they are in business to do, and that is sell guns.
            Have a nice day, and, God willing, you will shoot your damned foot off.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            I think you might be wrong about the amount of gun ownership in the US.

            I think the real figure is well over 50% – realistically around 75%. Just about everyone I know owns a gun of one type or the other and usually more than one.

            I figure most of these guns are un-registered too, which is ok with me.

          • RobertCHastings

            My source is one of the books I mentioned previously “The Last Gun” by Tom Diaz. While I cannot vouch for its absolute accuracy, much of what he says about overall gun ownership rings true because of the large degree of support for sensible gun controls. As in so many issues, it is the vocal minority that gets heard. A perfect example of this is Sen. Flake’s response to the mother of one of the Newtown victims, and the subsequent backlash when his duplicity was revealed. Such a backlash indicates that support for broad gun ownership is not as broad as we are being led to believe.

          • Michael Kollmorgen

            You might be right.

            But, just about anyone I knew since I was a kid owned at least 1 gun. And, Grandpa didn’t register his shotgun, rifle, whatever, either. And, that gets passed down from father to son, etc. – not registered.

            Maybe it was the crowd I hung around with, I don’t know. But, I do think it’s a lot higher than your quoted source believes.

            This is probably true, there is widespread support for gun control. This is probably because most of the guns people own aren’t registered and therefore unknown by law enforcement as to who has what.

            All the gun control laws are not going to do a thing about privately held guns as it is now. These new laws would apply to only new gun sales.

            I would be willing to bet there probably is a 10 to 1 ratio between registered and unregistered guns, unregistered being the largest amount, out here right now.

            I really don’t see these new possible laws doing much good. It will perhaps keep the nutcases from getting their hands on them due to more stricker background checks. But, I can’t think of anything else on any realistic level effecting our gun culture.

          • RobertCHastings

            A few people have pointed out to me that the Universal Background check law as presented with such hoopla was so watered down that its passage would have been an actual victory for the NRA. Just a little research has proven this to be true. What is seriously needed is a full-court press to get the truth out to the public about guns and what they do. Some of the same people who worked to cover up the dangers of cigarettes are conducting the campaign to hide the secrets about guns. ATF is prohibited from sharing its vast database with local authorities, and CDC, which for years had been conducting studies on guns, was forced to get out of the data-gathering business. The are government agencies whose mandates legally require them to do certain things. Legislation which prevents them from doing their jobs has been sponsored and pushed through by ALEC and the gun lobby. This is not just from “The Last Gun”, but from several sources.

    • Allan Richardson

      If the AAA were a powerful donor and lobby that was opposed to having to get a driver’s license and tags on your car, they WOULD be to blame for the accidents caused by drunk, and other bad, drivers. Fortunately, the AAA has a more realistic attitude toward reasonable safety regulations than the NRA.