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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

The Syria Game

  • ObozoMustGo

    And now…. the REAL Cartoon Of The Day!

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    Have a nice day!

    “Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.” — Frederic Bastiat, French economist (1801-1850)

    • RobertCHastings

      Gee, once again you just totally miss the point and insist on interjecting something just totally stupid. I must assume that you are one of those hawks who are upset that Obama has not just jumped into Syria with both feet on the basis of innuendo and unsubstantiated “evidence”, something you Republicans are great at. All too many folks on The National Memo realize that the interminable war that Republicans seek is just a way to mask their real intentions. I bet you can’t even guess what those are.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Hasty… It’s amazing that Obozo has been waging as much war as Bush did, but somehow, you idiots on the left forget that it’s Obozo that is the Commander in Chief, not Republicans. They have no say on where the military goes and who they fight. They’re supposed to according to the Constitution, but that was thrown out the window long ago, except on the vote to go to war in Iraq which was nearly 100% supported by ALL members of Congress, regardless of party. Somehow, you leftist freaks seem to never tag Obozo with the consequences of what Obozo does.

        That being said, we should not be in Syria for ANY reason. It’s their fight. Let them have at it and solve their own issues. And get our people the hell out of Iraq (yes, they are still there) and Afghanistan. Leave those animals to their own devices.

        Have a nice day!

        “I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video,” – Barack Hussein Obozo lying to the world in his
        speech to UN General Assembly 2 WEEKS following the Benghazi attack

    • metrognome3830

      I’m confused, OMG. Just last week you were accusing Obama of selling weapons to bloodthirsty terrorists. Now you and your new best friend, John McCain are giving him hell because he is supporting the rebels. Do you — or John — or anybody really know just who the terrorists are here? If so, let us know.
      Have a great weekend.

      • ObozoMustGo

        Morning Metro! You know what I think of McCain. He’s just another has-been progressive Republican dinosaur with nothing to offer. As useless as a progressive DemonRAT. He’s actually in Syria setting up cover for Obozo’s arms supply to Al Qaeda in their fight against Assad that has been going on for a long time. That’s what Benghazi was about and now if they can create the reason to arm the terrorists now, this will provide cover for Obozo having been doing it for a few years now. Since the take down of Khadafi. Hopefully the truth will come out some day, but with the lap dog media in the tank for Obozo, it’s simply not getting any play with the low information Americans.

        Have a nice weekend, Metro!

        “I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video,” – Barack Hussein Obozo lying to the world in his speech to UN General Assembly 2 WEEKS following the Benghazi attack

        • RobertCHastings

          Once again you clearly demonstrate your total inability to use any kind of reasoning power. You are correct ONLY insofar you feel the US has no reason for being in Iraq. However, the inescapable fact is that we ARE there and we have been there for ten years. The damage we have caused to their infrastructure will probably remain long after we are gone. It is our moral responsibility to build this nation’s institutions to a point at which they can effectively govern themselves, and not leave them in a constant state of chaos and civil strife. Basically, all that has been accomplished in Iraq is the removal of Saddam Hussein and his minority Ba’athist government from the picture, leaving a huge vacuum.
          If we get involved in Syria to the extent we did in Libya, that is merely one step, a step similar to what other administrations have frequently taken in the past, even as far back as Jefferson’s invasion of the countries of Northern Africa, long before the US became a world power. It is interesting that people like you feel that we have no business trying to make life better for others around the world, and yet you will bitch and scream if we don’t. Where were you when Bush illegally invaded Iraq, and left the Taliban to do as they wished in Afghanistan, where the war on terror was real? The US cannot be the policeman for the world, so what is the alternative? You people are totally against the UN, which is, basically, no more corrupt than our own government, and which, given the authority and backing, could police the world much more cheaply (for us) than we can. Except, as with the gun issue, it would detract from our sovereignty. Well, hell, have we not done enough of that already to dozens of other countries?

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… that sort of thinking about us have responsibility to make life better for others around the world at US Taxpayer expense and, more importantly, American lives is exactly the kind of thinking that has gotten us in trouble after all these years. What you fail to realize is that doing so has put us in position of building up future enemies based upon the philosophy that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That is true only today, but not in the future. Saddam Hussein is the perfect example. Al Qaeda is another example. Those enemies were born out of our assistance to them. Libya is another example. Shoot, dude, we had an Ambassador killed there recently. Both Republican AND DemonRAT presidents have shared this idea of foreign policy. It needs to end.

            Regarding Jefferson going to war with northern African states. You have no clue what you are talking about. He did not take us to war so that we could give them a better life. What kind of fool thinks that? The muzzies were attacking American commercial ships and enslaving American men. We went to war with them because of that. And we did not rebuild their country. We kicked their asses and we left. Just as we should everywhere. The best foreign policy is to be friends with everyone and trade with them if they are willing. And if you attack us or our commercial interests, we bomb you into oblivion and leave you to pick up the pieces. That’s the deal. And that was Jefferson’s foreign policy. Do some reading on the Treaty of Tripoli and what led up to the wars on the Barbary Coast. Learn some facts, will you.

            Finally, you leftist freaks keep repeating the lies that Bush got us into an illegal war with Iraq. No he didn’t. The UN supported and the US Congress almost unanimously supported it BEFORE any fighting started. It was perfectly legal. As well, I think it was either you or some other dope on here where I posted a full chronology from the 1990’s on where Slick Willie the sexual pervert and his minions were quoted as claiming Saddam had WMD. It’s true. They did. And so did all the DemonRATS following 9/11. So quit spreading the LIES.

            Have a nice day!

            “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
            –President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

          • RobertCHastings

            Just read into it whatever you want. Jefferson’s invasion of Tripoli cost us one of our six frigates and he DID send troops on shore to rescue American prisoners, as well as to free others held captive by the Barbary Pirates; but the action was primarily to end the predations of the pirates on American shipping. American lives and treasure have been put at risk since the day we became a country, and simply because people like you thing we bear no responsibility to share the benefits of our wealth and culture with those less fortunate, then the wars we engage in will be meaningless exercises in futility. However, IF we exercise the mandates of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and the UN Declaration of Human Rights, then we fail as a society if we do not step in to cure the evils of the world, our values are meaningless, and the documents upon which we base our own society are little more than the scribblings of starry-eyed idealists.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Hasty… You are right about the war on the Barbary Coast. It was commercial. Not to spread our way of life. Our ability to spread our culture of freedom and prosperity (as you call “sharing the benefits of our wealth” what ever the hell that means) is limited. One of those limitations may be cultural reasons that our way of life can never work elsewhere. Like Afghanistan. While it may be true that some in Afghanistan want freedom and liberty, the reality is that they really don’t. They live in the stone age, adhere to a gutter religion, and wouldn’t know what to do with liberty if it was beating them up side the head. If we really wanted to give them a shot at freedom, complete anhialation of the Taliban WITHOUT restrictive rules of engagement that tie our soldiers’ hands would be required. And even then, even then, it’s most likely that some other knuckleheads would step in to fill the void left by the Taliban and the country would still be a heroine factory on pile of rocks ruled by tribal lords. It’s time to cut bait and get the hell out of there. This applies to all of those places with gutter cultures. And we have NO MANDATE to inflict our DOI or Constitution on anyone. Who gives a crap about the useless UN? No one. Their just a bunch of busybody leftist freak bureaucrats, mostly, with ZERO authority and a dream of global control living off the backs of taxpayers everywhere. They are nothing more than parasites. Like most politicians. Therefore, this dreamy eyed fantasy that “we as a society fail” is utterly false. There isn’t any reason to suggest that we must have our military in far off places in order to influence other’s cultures or economies. Their citizens can see that without an M16 pointed at them. We should lead by example, not by force. One other point… in case you have not noticed, we have an operating debt of $17 TRILLION, and a total debt with off the books liabilities standing at about $90 TRILLLION. We cannot afford to be the world’s cop any longer. We just can’t.

            Have a nice day, Hasty!

            “The only defense against the world is a thorough knowledge
            of it.” ― John Locke

          • RobertCHastings

            I have been reading a very interesting book about the Occupy Wall Street Movement, that has already changed some of my preconceived notions, and may do so for you as well. It is new on the market, and by an established author. The title is “The Democracy Project” by David Graeber. If you can get through the first thirty or so pages (which just seem to be an encomium to the movement), it gets very interesting, and engrossing. Some of it even seems to support your point of view – imagine that.

          • ObozoMustGo

            Thanks for the book rec, Hasty. I’ll put it on my list and get it next. I’ll let you know what I think. You may be surprised to learn that I’m not totally anti-OWS sentiment, and sympathize with their grievance as it relates to the unseemly coziness of business and government. We may diverge on what we see as the real cause for that coziness. I’ll reserve judgement until I read the book.

            Have a nice day, Hasty!

            “No man’s life, liberty, or property is in so much danger as when the legislature is in session.” – Mark Twain

          • RobertCHastings

            I agree that we cannot afford to be the world’s cop, and we should never have gotten ourselves into that business in the first place. However, as over the past 21/4 centuries one thing has led to another, we are embroiled, through our own choices, in the affairs of other countries around the world. It would be morally reprehensible to withdraw entirely from those countries that we have had such a large part in so totally screwing up.

          • ObozoMustGo

            I completely disagree that we have totally screwed other countries up. America has been the greatest force for good the world has ever known. The unfortunate part is that we also have overstepped our bounds, mostly since WW2, in being that force for good, particularly in countries like the Middle East where those people and cultures are not compatible with freedom and liberty. We cannot force our culture on countries that are not amenable to it. This is not to say that there are not millions in those places that would cherish liberty, but there’s simply not enough of them. When you have a country like Egypt that purposely voted in radical muzzies who pledged to institute the tyranny of Sharia Law, there’s not really much we can do. Those are their battles to fight, not ours. We made a HUGE mistake in helping to overthrow both Mubarek and Khadafi, and we should stay the hell out of Syria all together and ship no arms to them at all. Let them solve their own issues. Mubarek and Khadafi were tyrants, but guess what… they were secular and they were peaceful allies to us. Now, the radicals have stepped in to fill the vacuum, and the situation in the region is MUCH more volitile.

            I prefer a foreign policy that says we mind our own business, we will trade with you and be peaceful, but if you hit us or our interests, we blow you into oblivion and leave you to clean up the mess. That’s it. Clear and concise. We’d have less problems than under the current philosophy of considering the enemy of my enemy is my friend. It NEVER turns out well. Especially in the Middle East.

            Thanks for the discussion, Hasty. Have a great day!

            “Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from
            poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.” — Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University

          • RobertCHastings

            We COULD have been the greatest engine for the dissemination of “good” around the world, IF we had not taken that mission so seriously and decided that everyone actually wanted to live the way we do.
            Before you take Islam down in the gutter, read their Koran. You will find that it is remarkably similar to our Bible.

          • RobertCHastings

            Explain why we got into BOTH WWI and WWII. Explain why we got involved in N. Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Cuba (remember the Maine?) and ANY armed conflict American troops and materiel have been used in over the past 225 years.

          • demhack

            Yea Libya is a real success story for barak as well as Egypt and Pakistan

          • RobertCHastings

            Who said Libya was a success story? It was no more a success for Obama than it was for either Clinton OR Reagan. Pakistan has been at best a questionable ally in the region, and receives Foreign Aid ONLY to keep the wolves at bay. Egypt’s Mubarak has been another shaky ally, but at least Egypt keeps things in the region calmer than they would be, simply because they are the only country in the region with a treaty with our major ally, Israel. I don’t think Obama is naïve enough to consider any country in that region a “success story”, and none of them WILL be until the entire “Arab Spring” scenario plays itself out. The rebels who, with our aid, were able to overthrow Ghadafi in Libya were grateful for our assistance, but until Libya is in a position to control its own destiny, we cannot count on them for much of anything – at least Ghadafi is no longer there. Egypt, the most populous and influential country in the region, presents the best possibilities because they have the longest record of having worked with the US, even though during the Cold War they were largely aligned with the USSR. The Middle East will never be a reliable and stable region until ALL groups have their own, self-determined, homelands. When Europe redrew political lines in the region along geographical lines, they failed to take into account the ethnic and sectarian divisions within those regions. Kurds want their own homeland, which will include parts of Iraq, Turkey, and Armenia (along with others). Iraq, as we all should understand, was flawed from the beginning because of its combination of Sunni with Shia Muslims. The entire region, except for Israel, is unstable because of continuous factional strife. Like the Jews, everyone in the region wants their own homeland, and they want the West OUT. That is really not very hard to understand.

      • demhack

        of course barak has no idea that’s why he wants to supply the Syrian govt and the rebels with weapons

    • barneybolt12

      You OMG. are the Cartoon of the Day. Have a nice day.

    • WhutHeSaid

      Still your leader. Still black.

      (hee-hee!)

      Have a nice day!

      • ObozoMustGo

        What’s up whut, you racist pig?

        Have a nice day, bigot!

        “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” –Joe “Plugs” Biden on Barack Obama

        • WhutHeSaid

          I just like to remind you periodically that despite your very best efforts, Obama is still the leader of the free world and you’re not. Oh yes, and he’s still black too.

          (hee-hee!)

          Have a nice day!

        • demhack

          Bright??? OHHH please he can’t add 5 and 5

          • WhutHeSaid

            I see that your sister kicked you out of the trailer and you have nothing else to do.

            OK, let’s see: If Obama kicked your ass 5 times and beat you down another 5 times, how many times would you squeal like a little girl?

          • ObozoMustGo

            Demhack… I stand corrected! Thanks.

            Have a nice day!

            “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.” ― Mark Twain

  • Robert P. Robertson

    I don’t know. I might be just me. But, for the life of me, that cartoon looks like the Pope and Dick Cheney playing chess. . . It’s probably just me.