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		<title>By: onedonewong</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Better take that up with the mayor of Chicago]]></description>
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		<title>By: Hollie</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I disagree I believe less federal government more state rights...the states know their people where the Feds don&#039;t. What works in New York doesn&#039;t work for the small time rancher in Wyoming. The problems with the Internet is it isn&#039;t always right...maybe that is one of the differences between my generation and the younger one. We are all unique individuals with unique backgrounds...I would support succession....I believe in individualism...We are a conglomeration of unique citizens and states...that is what makes the united states a force to contend with...we maintain the deep seeded feelings of our immigrant families...thank heavens we are a democracy. Not one big Kingdom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree I believe less federal government more state rights&#8230;the states know their people where the Feds don&#8217;t. What works in New York doesn&#8217;t work for the small time rancher in Wyoming. The problems with the Internet is it isn&#8217;t always right&#8230;maybe that is one of the differences between my generation and the younger one. We are all unique individuals with unique backgrounds&#8230;I would support succession&#8230;.I believe in individualism&#8230;We are a conglomeration of unique citizens and states&#8230;that is what makes the united states a force to contend with&#8230;we maintain the deep seeded feelings of our immigrant families&#8230;thank heavens we are a democracy. Not one big Kingdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kollmorgen</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly right.

There aren&#039;t enough Feds to come into a state and do their thing.  This is one of the effects the Republicans like - downsizing the federal government.

A Governor of a state could call in support from their respective State National Guard.

But, most governors are pure cowards to do that anyway.

Hell, half the time a state won&#039;t even enforce their own laws, hence the need for hate crime and affirmative action legislation on a federal level.

If I had my way, I&#039;d abolish all state borders and apply federal law over everyone.  That way, everyone is equal, all with the same set of laws and regulations.

There are no longer any &quot;special conditions&quot; where one locality, one state has any &quot;special circumstances&quot; which would set themselves apart from anyone else.

This might have been the case 2 centuries ago when it took mail a month to get to one place to another and federal elections took weeks to decide who really won.  But, now with lightening speed communication, whatever special conditions there might have been - are no longer.

We are one country, not a conglomeration of 50 separate fiefdoms and kingdoms.

Though Republican sure would like it to be that way.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t enough Feds to come into a state and do their thing.  This is one of the effects the Republicans like &#8211; downsizing the federal government.</p>
<p>A Governor of a state could call in support from their respective State National Guard.</p>
<p>But, most governors are pure cowards to do that anyway.</p>
<p>Hell, half the time a state won&#8217;t even enforce their own laws, hence the need for hate crime and affirmative action legislation on a federal level.</p>
<p>If I had my way, I&#8217;d abolish all state borders and apply federal law over everyone.  That way, everyone is equal, all with the same set of laws and regulations.</p>
<p>There are no longer any &#8220;special conditions&#8221; where one locality, one state has any &#8220;special circumstances&#8221; which would set themselves apart from anyone else.</p>
<p>This might have been the case 2 centuries ago when it took mail a month to get to one place to another and federal elections took weeks to decide who really won.  But, now with lightening speed communication, whatever special conditions there might have been &#8211; are no longer.</p>
<p>We are one country, not a conglomeration of 50 separate fiefdoms and kingdoms.</p>
<p>Though Republican sure would like it to be that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kollmorgen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kollmorgen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not enough space, again.

But, as usual, a crime doesn&#039;t become a crime until the crime becomes known by authorities.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not enough space, again.</p>
<p>But, as usual, a crime doesn&#8217;t become a crime until the crime becomes known by authorities.</p>
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		<title>By: DEFENDER88</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fern
As a nurse, I would like to get youR opinion on my thoughts below regarding the link between drugs and the mass killings. I know a lot about guns but not much about drugs.

Thanks
DEFENDER88

I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

Changes like: 
Like mass murders in schools.
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.
 
When I was in high school &#039;61-&#039;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.
 
Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.
 
So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?
 
And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
I see 2 main problem areas.
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
2) Everyday killings in the &quot;Hood&quot; ie on the streets


 
1) Mass murders in schools
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#039;s.
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
Why?
 
Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
Which back in &#039;61-&#039;65 was pretty much unheard of.
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
Of course now that is child abuse.
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.
 
I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing - Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &quot;real&quot; control.
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.
 
This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.
 
From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
As we say in math - A very high, positive correlation.
 
2)Every day killings in the &quot;Hood&quot;
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos - Again Drugs but of a different form.
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &quot;dream&quot;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.
 
I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
Not the other way around - Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.
 
My point is:
The drugs are the &quot;Root&quot; problem.
Not the guns.
 
My other thought here is - If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) - the killings would be reduced drastically.
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.
 
But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
Or &quot;ban&quot; &quot;that&quot;.
 
So - 
Legalize - the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors - Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ....
Ban - New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.
 
3) Banning guns
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again - &quot;Drug&quot; Cartels.
 
In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools. 
We should concentrate on things that &quot;can&quot; have an &quot;immediate effect&quot; like increased security.
 
So - from all the above - I dont think that guns is the &quot;Root&quot; problem/s.
 
That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.
 
4) Gun Control
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.
 
I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &quot;root&quot; problems ie in large part - Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.
 
Regarding Bans
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &quot;Root Driver&quot; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern<br />
As a nurse, I would like to get youR opinion on my thoughts below regarding the link between drugs and the mass killings. I know a lot about guns but not much about drugs.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
DEFENDER88</p>
<p>I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.</p>
<p>Changes like:<br />
Like mass murders in schools.<br />
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.<br />
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.</p>
<p>When I was in high school &#8217;61-&#8217;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.<br />
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.</p>
<p>Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.</p>
<p>So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?</p>
<p>And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.<br />
I see 2 main problem areas.<br />
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)<br />
2) Everyday killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221; ie on the streets</p>
<p>1) Mass murders in schools<br />
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#8242;s.<br />
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?<br />
Why?</p>
<p>Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.<br />
Which back in &#8217;61-&#8217;65 was pretty much unheard of.<br />
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.<br />
Of course now that is child abuse.<br />
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.</p>
<p>I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing &#8211; Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.<br />
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &#8220;real&#8221; control.<br />
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.</p>
<p>From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.<br />
As we say in math &#8211; A very high, positive correlation.</p>
<p>2)Every day killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221;<br />
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.<br />
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos &#8211; Again Drugs but of a different form.<br />
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.<br />
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.<br />
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.<br />
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.<br />
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.</p>
<p>Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &#8220;dream&#8221;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.<br />
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.<br />
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.</p>
<p>I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.<br />
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.<br />
Not the other way around &#8211; Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.</p>
<p>My point is:<br />
The drugs are the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem.<br />
Not the guns.</p>
<p>My other thought here is &#8211; If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) &#8211; the killings would be reduced drastically.<br />
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.</p>
<p>But stop wholesale drugging of kids.<br />
Or &#8220;ban&#8221; &#8220;that&#8221;.</p>
<p>So &#8211;<br />
Legalize &#8211; the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors &#8211; Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, &#8230;.<br />
Ban &#8211; New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.</p>
<p>3) Banning guns<br />
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.<br />
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.<br />
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again &#8211; &#8220;Drug&#8221; Cartels.</p>
<p>In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.<br />
We should concentrate on things that &#8220;can&#8221; have an &#8220;immediate effect&#8221; like increased security.</p>
<p>So &#8211; from all the above &#8211; I dont think that guns is the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem/s.</p>
<p>That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.</p>
<p>4) Gun Control<br />
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.</p>
<p>I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &#8220;root&#8221; problems ie in large part &#8211; Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.</p>
<p>Regarding Bans<br />
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.<br />
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &#8220;Root Driver&#8221; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.</p>
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		<title>By: DEFENDER88</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fern - as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.
Since &quot;I&quot; dont really know that much about them.
I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.

I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.

Thanks
DEFENDER88

I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

Changes like: 
Like mass murders in schools.
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.

When I was in high school &#039;61-&#039;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.

Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.

So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?

And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
I see 2 main problem areas.
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
2) Everyday killings in the &quot;Hood&quot; ie on the streets


1) Mass murders in schools
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#039;s.
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
Why?

Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
Which back in &#039;61-&#039;65 was pretty much unheard of.
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
Of course now that is child abuse.
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.

I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing - Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &quot;real&quot; control.
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.

This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.

From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
As we say in math - A very high, positive correlation.

2)Every day killings in the &quot;Hood&quot;
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos - Again Drugs but of a different form.
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &quot;dream&quot;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.

I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
Not the other way around - Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.

My point is:
The drugs are the &quot;Root&quot; problem.
Not the guns.

My other thought here is - If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) - the killings would be reduced drastically.
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.

But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
Or &quot;ban&quot; &quot;that&quot;.

So - 
Legalize - the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors - Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ....
Ban - New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.

3) Banning guns
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again - &quot;Drug&quot; Cartels.

In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools. 
We should concentrate on things that &quot;can&quot; have an &quot;immediate effect&quot; like increased security.

So - from all the above - I dont think that guns is the &quot;Root&quot; problem/s.

That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.

4) Gun Control
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.

I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &quot;root&quot; problems ie in large part - Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.

Regarding Bans
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &quot;Root Driver&quot; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern &#8211; as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.<br />
Since &#8220;I&#8221; dont really know that much about them.<br />
I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.</p>
<p>I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
DEFENDER88</p>
<p>I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.</p>
<p>Changes like:<br />
Like mass murders in schools.<br />
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.<br />
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.</p>
<p>When I was in high school &#8217;61-&#8217;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.<br />
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.</p>
<p>Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.</p>
<p>So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?</p>
<p>And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.<br />
I see 2 main problem areas.<br />
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)<br />
2) Everyday killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221; ie on the streets</p>
<p>1) Mass murders in schools<br />
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#8242;s.<br />
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?<br />
Why?</p>
<p>Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.<br />
Which back in &#8217;61-&#8217;65 was pretty much unheard of.<br />
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.<br />
Of course now that is child abuse.<br />
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.</p>
<p>I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing &#8211; Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.<br />
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &#8220;real&#8221; control.<br />
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.</p>
<p>From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.<br />
As we say in math &#8211; A very high, positive correlation.</p>
<p>2)Every day killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221;<br />
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.<br />
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos &#8211; Again Drugs but of a different form.<br />
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.<br />
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.<br />
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.<br />
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.<br />
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.</p>
<p>Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &#8220;dream&#8221;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.<br />
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.<br />
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.</p>
<p>I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.<br />
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.<br />
Not the other way around &#8211; Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.</p>
<p>My point is:<br />
The drugs are the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem.<br />
Not the guns.</p>
<p>My other thought here is &#8211; If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) &#8211; the killings would be reduced drastically.<br />
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.</p>
<p>But stop wholesale drugging of kids.<br />
Or &#8220;ban&#8221; &#8220;that&#8221;.</p>
<p>So &#8211;<br />
Legalize &#8211; the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors &#8211; Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, &#8230;.<br />
Ban &#8211; New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.</p>
<p>3) Banning guns<br />
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.<br />
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.<br />
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again &#8211; &#8220;Drug&#8221; Cartels.</p>
<p>In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.<br />
We should concentrate on things that &#8220;can&#8221; have an &#8220;immediate effect&#8221; like increased security.</p>
<p>So &#8211; from all the above &#8211; I dont think that guns is the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem/s.</p>
<p>That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.</p>
<p>4) Gun Control<br />
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.</p>
<p>I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &#8220;root&#8221; problems ie in large part &#8211; Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.</p>
<p>Regarding Bans<br />
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.<br />
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &#8220;Root Driver&#8221; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.</p>
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		<title>By: DEFENDER88</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fern - as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.
Since &quot;I&quot; dont really know that much about them.
I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.

I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.

Thanks
DEFENDER88
 
I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.

Changes like: 
Like mass murders in schools.
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.
 
When I was in high school &#039;61-&#039;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.
 
Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.
 
So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?
 
And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.
I see 2 main problem areas.
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)
2) Everyday killings in the &quot;Hood&quot; ie on the streets


 
1) Mass murders in schools
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#039;s.
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?
Why?
 
Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.
Which back in &#039;61-&#039;65 was pretty much unheard of.
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.
Of course now that is child abuse.
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.
 
I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing - Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &quot;real&quot; control.
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.
 
This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.
 
From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
As we say in math - A very high, positive correlation.
 
2)Every day killings in the &quot;Hood&quot;
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos - Again Drugs but of a different form.
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.

Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &quot;dream&quot;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.
 
I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.
Not the other way around - Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.
 
My point is:
The drugs are the &quot;Root&quot; problem.
Not the guns.
 
My other thought here is - If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) - the killings would be reduced drastically.
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.
 
But stop wholesale drugging of kids.
Or &quot;ban&quot; &quot;that&quot;.
 
So - 
Legalize - the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors - Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, ....
Ban - New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.
 
3) Banning guns
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again - &quot;Drug&quot; Cartels.
 
In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools. 
We should concentrate on things that &quot;can&quot; have an &quot;immediate effect&quot; like increased security.
 
So - from all the above - I dont think that guns is the &quot;Root&quot; problem/s.
 
That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.
 
4) Gun Control
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.
 
I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &quot;root&quot; problems ie in large part - Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.
 
Regarding Bans
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &quot;Root Driver&quot; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern &#8211; as a nurse, I assume you know something about drugs.<br />
Since &#8220;I&#8221; dont really know that much about them.<br />
I would like to get your opinion as to my thinking below about the link between Drugs and these Mass Murders.</p>
<p>I also have a following section in here about gun crime in the Ghettos but that is a separate issue with different causes and effects.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
DEFENDER88</p>
<p>I am 65 yr old so I have been around long enough to have seen what has not changed and what has changed in this country.</p>
<p>Changes like:<br />
Like mass murders in schools.<br />
And like everyday murders in the ghettos, mostly low income black areas of town, but white also.<br />
Where, by the way, some 75% of gun crime in this country is done.</p>
<p>When I was in high school &#8217;61-&#8217;65, a good 1/2 of the pick-up trucks in the school parking lot had rifles in a rack in the back window.<br />
No one ever thought anything about it. No one ever got shot. You could have walked down the hall with a rifle and no one would have been concerned. Curious maybe but not worried. Some schools who had shooting teams brought them into schools, but again, no one ever got shot or even concerned.</p>
<p>Proportionately I believe there were as many guns available then as now.</p>
<p>So I asked myself, what has changed from then to now?</p>
<p>And what are the main problem areas and what are the causes.<br />
I see 2 main problem areas.<br />
1) Mass murders in schools(ie Gun Free Zones)<br />
2) Everyday killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221; ie on the streets</p>
<p>1) Mass murders in schools<br />
Most of the mass murders in schools and other places are being done by young white men in their early 20&#8242;s.<br />
And that started, what 10, 15 yr ago?<br />
Why?</p>
<p>Another common link I just became aware of was prescribed anti-depressent drugs.<br />
Which back in &#8217;61-&#8217;65 was pretty much unheard of.<br />
If you got out of line you got your ass busted. You did not get drugged unless you went to an institution where they could control you.<br />
Of course now that is child abuse.<br />
Think I could argue putting them on drugs is also an abuse and apparently a danger to society.</p>
<p>I understand most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing &#8211; Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.<br />
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &#8220;real&#8221; control.<br />
Often they kill their parents then head to the nearest school, church or mall (ie soft target) to kill as many as they can.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.</p>
<p>From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.<br />
As we say in math &#8211; A very high, positive correlation.</p>
<p>2)Every day killings in the &#8220;Hood&#8221;<br />
Which is about 75% or so of gun crime in the US.<br />
As for the every day killings in the Ghettos &#8211; Again Drugs but of a different form.<br />
Seems most of the now illegal drugs used to be legal in this country.<br />
Virtually all drugs were legal here at one time. Even hard drugs like cocaine and heroin and most others.<br />
How and why did that happen? Not sure how, but It did.<br />
But people who abused them did not go out and kill school kids or shoot up theaters.<br />
But we did not have designer drugs like Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.</p>
<p>Also, seems to me many young Black folks, being dis-advantaged from a jobs stand-point and wanting to live the &#8220;dream&#8221;, like we all do, found it much easier to turn to the drug trade than to find honest work because of discrimination, etc. I hear many especially in the bigger cities find it much harder to go straight then to deal drugs.<br />
And the drug trade leads to guns. Not the other way around.<br />
ie The actual causal effect is the drug trade not the guns.</p>
<p>I also cite here the murders in Mexico, again- because of the drug trade.<br />
The worse the drug Trade the more the guns and killings.<br />
Not the other way around &#8211; Guns dont lead to drugs. But drugs DO lead to guns and killing.</p>
<p>My point is:<br />
The drugs are the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem.<br />
Not the guns.</p>
<p>My other thought here is &#8211; If we legalized all drugs (like it used to be) &#8211; the killings would be reduced drastically.<br />
We could empty 3/4 of the prisons and jails. Do away with 1/2 the police. Tax them(drugs) like liquor and balance the budget.</p>
<p>But stop wholesale drugging of kids.<br />
Or &#8220;ban&#8221; &#8220;that&#8221;.</p>
<p>So &#8211;<br />
Legalize &#8211; the old drugs that did not produce violent behaviors &#8211; Weed, Cocaine, Heroin, &#8230;.<br />
Ban &#8211; New designer drugs (The Root cause of these murders) that Do propagate Violent behaviors.</p>
<p>3) Banning guns<br />
Seems there are already so many out there, especially in the inner cities that a ban will have little effect there for a long long time, if ever.<br />
It has not worked that well in Chicago, for example, ie the Gun Crime capital of the country.<br />
And it has not worked in Mexico. Again &#8211; &#8220;Drug&#8221; Cartels.</p>
<p>In short, I just dont think a ban on guns will help that much with the killings going on at schools.<br />
We should concentrate on things that &#8220;can&#8221; have an &#8220;immediate effect&#8221; like increased security.</p>
<p>So &#8211; from all the above &#8211; I dont think that guns is the &#8220;Root&#8221; problem/s.</p>
<p>That IS the objective is it not? Stopping the killing. And soon.</p>
<p>4) Gun Control<br />
There are some things that should be done to keep them out of the hands of the bad guys and crazies but not deny legal owners the right to self defense.</p>
<p>I want to see the killings stop, as much if not more than everyone else. But think we should concentrate or efforts on fixing the &#8220;root&#8221; problems ie in large part &#8211; Drugs. And I would add a phyc test for gun permitting.</p>
<p>Regarding Bans<br />
Seems the ban on drugs has just lead to more killing.<br />
I expect a ban on guns will not do much better since they are not the &#8220;Root Driver&#8221; of the killings and there are just too many out there already. The horse is already out of the barn on this. It may help after 20yrs or more but not right now and maybe never considering all the various nefarious means they are imported.</p>
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		<title>By: DEFENDER88</title>
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		<dc:creator>DEFENDER88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree, rationing guns will not fix the problems.
But on the mental health issue, I have a theory that is supported by some facts.
I am 65 yr old and seen a lot of what was and what now is and what has changed and not changed.
The ratio of guns has not changed that much - I dont have the data but I dont think it has changed that much. When I was young 1/2 the trucks in the lot had a gun in the rack in the back window. But no one got shot and no one was worried about it.

What HAS changed in the last 10-15 yrs is two important things that relate to the mass killings.

1) Drugs - Most of the mass killings are being done by young white men who are on the new designer drugs 
When I was growing up, if a kid acted up he got his ass whipped. If he had mental problems he was put in an institution and drugged where they could control them. Now they are medicated at home and now live among us with no control at all. Another good idea of the intellectual elite gone wrong. 

Most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing - Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &quot;real&quot; control.
So they kill their parents and the closest soft target  they can find like kids in school.
 
This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.
 
From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.
As we say in math - A very high, positive correlation.

2)Gun Free Zones with no security - an idea gone terribly wrong.



As for the every-day killings in the ghettos etc(75% of gun crime in the US) - that is a separate issue with different causes which will require different solutions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, rationing guns will not fix the problems.<br />
But on the mental health issue, I have a theory that is supported by some facts.<br />
I am 65 yr old and seen a lot of what was and what now is and what has changed and not changed.<br />
The ratio of guns has not changed that much &#8211; I dont have the data but I dont think it has changed that much. When I was young 1/2 the trucks in the lot had a gun in the rack in the back window. But no one got shot and no one was worried about it.</p>
<p>What HAS changed in the last 10-15 yrs is two important things that relate to the mass killings.</p>
<p>1) Drugs &#8211; Most of the mass killings are being done by young white men who are on the new designer drugs<br />
When I was growing up, if a kid acted up he got his ass whipped. If he had mental problems he was put in an institution and drugged where they could control them. Now they are medicated at home and now live among us with no control at all. Another good idea of the intellectual elite gone wrong. </p>
<p>Most of the killers now days are on some drug when they start the killing &#8211; Prozac(Virginia Tech), Effexer(Columbine), Zoloft, Ritalin, Livox, etc.<br />
Problem is they are not now in institutions, they are now out there among us, at home with their parents under no &#8220;real&#8221; control.<br />
So they kill their parents and the closest soft target  they can find like kids in school.</p>
<p>This is not an argument for putting kids in institutions but just recognizing the new problem ie Kids(Young White Men) on Drugs killing people.</p>
<p>From what I am hearing and seeing there seems to be an undeniable common link here.<br />
As we say in math &#8211; A very high, positive correlation.</p>
<p>2)Gun Free Zones with no security &#8211; an idea gone terribly wrong.</p>
<p>As for the every-day killings in the ghettos etc(75% of gun crime in the US) &#8211; that is a separate issue with different causes which will require different solutions.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You onesucksdong Is One Dumb Ass Fuck!!]]></description>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which is exactly why none of the straw buyers nor gun dealers were arrested. Just like every other law enforcement agency, the BATF agents can arrest someone only after witnessing a crime or being directed to by an AG or DA.

The program was designed to find the strawman buyers and ilicit dealers. On the surface, the guns were legally sold; the illegal action was knowingly transferring the weapons to a criminal. No arrest warrants were issued, so no arrests could be made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is exactly why none of the straw buyers nor gun dealers were arrested. Just like every other law enforcement agency, the BATF agents can arrest someone only after witnessing a crime or being directed to by an AG or DA.</p>
<p>The program was designed to find the strawman buyers and ilicit dealers. On the surface, the guns were legally sold; the illegal action was knowingly transferring the weapons to a criminal. No arrest warrants were issued, so no arrests could be made.</p>
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