If a recent interview with two Klan leaders is any indication, the next step is to shoot him in the head and toss his body back over the border as an example to others. Yes, that is literally what at least two, probably many more, want to happen to these children. They want our border to be like the Berlin Wall in reverse: shoot on sight anyone coming in rather than anyone going out.
Bill Maher suggested another solution: elect Rick Perry, and no one will want to come here.
This nation has a right to defend itself. And if that takes civilian militias, so be it.
Militias against unarmed refugees? Really? How sad.
They are not legitimate refugees. They are not being specifically targeted for persecution. We cannot let everyone who wants to leave unfortunate circumstances come here. We don’t have the resources.
You don’t know that, so you are lying. The law says that they get a hearing to determine just that. Why do you lie and insist on committing crimes in order to inflict your vile wishes upon innocent children?
His grandfather probably cheered when the St. Louis was sent back to Germany also.
We can’t take in all of the world’s unfortunate people, we don’t have the resources. If people truly are being persecuted, a more appropriate response would be to arm them within their own countries so that they can defend themselves.
They only get a hearing if 1) they are being trafficked or 2) the Border Patrol determines that their claims could have merit. Other than that they may be deported immediately.
Stop lying. The determination must be made by an immigration judge. Border agents do not have the authority to make judicial decisions.
But it is not a judicial decision for immigration matters. According to a law passed by Congress in 1996, illegal aliens may be deported without due process. Being in the U.S. illegally is a violation of the law, but it is not a crime. This is why not giving due process to immigration violators passes Constitutional muster.
The Bush law specifically mandates that unaccompanied minor children from non-contiguous countries be given due process. There is no need to consult the Constitution on this issue, because the Bush law specifically addresses it and leaves nothing open to interpretation.
That law applies only if they are being trafficked. These kids are not. See here for more info: http://cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
You are lying, of course. Nobody knows any child’s situation unless they are able to present their case at a hearing — which is THE LAW.
Why do you advocate crime against children? What is it that drives you to lie in public in an attempt to harm little kids?
No, I am not. Did you read the link I sent you? Law enforcement makes the initial determination on whether their statements have merit or not. If they are deemed not to, they do not have a right to a hearing and may be deported immediately.
Please quit waving the “For the Children” flag. It is really annoying.
What’s more annoying is your lying. You can’t claim a legal purpose because you oppose the law. So you try to lie about the law, but I’m not buying it. It’s clear that you have vile and despicable feelings of ill will for these children, but you have never told us why. Were you abused as a child only to grow up the same hateful and evil type of person who abused you?
I am not lying. Illegal aliens are not entitled to a hearing, and since these kids are not being trafficked, they are illegal aliens. Law enforcement may make that determination, just like they may in all situations where the law is being violated. And I have this to back up what I am saying: http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
You ARE lying. A city, county, or state police officer is a member of ‘law enforcement’, but they do not have any authority in immigration cases. Federal law trumps their authority in these cases and requires a hearing for immigrant children who are not from a contiguous country and are seeking asylum.
They are only entitled to a hearing if law enforcement determines their claims might have validity. If they do not, they are illegal aliens that have no right to due process for immigration matters. Also, local police do have the authority to determine immigration status if they have lawful contact with someone in the normal course of their duties. The Supreme Court upheld that provision of Arizona’s SB 1070 law in 2012.
What needs to be done is that real people round up these ‘militias’ and put them in a nice comfy prison cell.
Should be more like round up the liberal traitors in the country. We wouldn’t have this problem if the Emperor hadn’t invited them here.
Invite them???> Where do you get your info? From the Tea bag nation!
Why don’t you European anchor babies try that? There’s still plenty of room in prison for you, and God knows you’d be more useful there.
Is every citizen who disagrees with you a traitor? Answer this!
Of course we are. The Bill of Rights doesn’t apply to us.
Actually if you had kept up in current events you would know that it was W that invited them here. Just too them a while to get here.
Most of those kids probably would have stayed in Guatemala or wherever they hail from, were there not an epidemic problem of gang violence and organized crime in those countries.
Those problems you speak of are nothing new. What is new is a very accurate perception that our immigration laws are no longer enforced and that if they can get passed the border patrol they may stay here indefinitely.
Why do you constantly lie and advocate crimes against children? Are you a child molester or something? What is your major malfunction?
why do lie making thos all out to be children when it isnt just children coming over how about you tell this to the families of the elderly women and kids here in america that where raped you want to speak up for children speak up for the American children raped the 8 yr old little American girl brutalized and ripped from front to back by the illegals coming over you have got to be the sickest peace of scum since isis and the taliban
you might have well as raped those girls and elderly women yourself!!!
You must really be a sick, perverted piece of shit. What other evil things do you wish on innocent children, you sick fuck?
Yes, let’s get the landmines, razor wire, machine-gun nests, and drones ready. How many kids can we kill a day? Can we beat Saint Ronnie’s totals?
Honestly, the best way to deal with illegal immigration is to enforce the laws in the workplace. If they can’t get jobs and can’t make a living, they would leave on their own accord.
Agreed, but the corporations and their wealthy owners who own our government don’t want that. They want a bunch of dimwits strutting around waving their guns to defend their “liberty” while it’s being stolen from under them before their very eyes.
Yes, I agree totally.
they same dimwits the government trained in believing to fight for this country oh wake you you jack assess the government is doing this to advert our eyes away from what they are really doing and then you all argue about it the only dimwits here is you and whuthesaid up there talking about the children the poor children look after our own children first !!!! YOU ARE OMIT YOU AMERICAN HATING ANIMAL BEATEN FREAK OF BILE
Get a grip, man.
1) If I were of your persuasion, I might be tempted to surmise from your mangling of our official tongue that you are one of those damned illegal immigrants coming here to steal our childrens’ heritage, and
2) Some of your text implies you agree with at least part of what I said in your own paranoid, inarticulate way.
If people like you are the “Americans” in question, perhaps I do hate Americans; or some of them, at least.
The parents need to learn how to fight fire with fire. Imagine if our forefathers ran to Canada when the Brits invaded our shores….
Your forefathers DID run — how do you think they got here?
The Colonials defended our shores for the Red Coats…that is my point! We used the gun and it worked
What an ass-hat you are. What does fighting a war have to do with fleeing children?
If you abduct ANY child within the United States you are committing a felony. If you commit said felony with a firearm, real citizens (non-assholes) are perfectly within their rights to use their own firearms to send you straight to Hell, where you can spend eternity debating your xenophobic hate with Satan.
First I ask of you to try to disagree without being disagreeable. I’m not an “ass-hat”. You are askew of my point. So, let me state it plainly: It’s too bad people have to run away from their homes or send their children away in the care of profiteers because they can’t defend themselves or rely on a system of law enforcement to protect them. It’s also too bad they can’t access self-defense to protect their community. That’s my point.
Yes, and it’s too bad that we have assholes in this world who believe that violence has a future, or that owning a firearm means that something bad will never happen to them. Many millions of former firearm owners who mistakenly believed this are now busy pushing up daisies after learning that somebody else’s firearm trumped theirs.
I don’t know if your anger will allow you to levelly rationalize my reply??
You said: “It’s too bad we have assholes (referring to me) that believe violence has a future”
Well, violence does have a future in this “fallen world” (nobody has to “believe that”) In fact, all one has to do is examine our history.
The late Huston Smith noted decades ago that in all of human history–at the time of his report–that there had been only something around 144 days on the planet when there wasn’t a war going on somewhere on the planet.
“Owning a firearm means that something bad will never happen to them”
Sir…this make no logical sense…think about. I own a fire arm that I carry everyday because I believe that something bad CAN not WILL happen to me, my family, my friends and maybe you that I can intervene upon to save or prevent harm to innocence by a “determined violent predator” DVP.
Sure there are numerous people including LEOs, soldiers and CCW civilians that are dead despite their proficiency with firearms. What is your point? I hope it’s not that you advocate being prepared is a bad idea.
I think not having self defense in the event of a DVP would most likely assure my chances of ending up “pushing up daisies”. (I have a potentially dangerous job and I handle money)
At this point I think we can agree that we have gone as far as we can with this conversation…Lastword
If brandishing or using a firearm is the only way you can think of to be ‘prepared’ for interaction with other people, then you have no business being in the same county as a gun. This is doubly true if you believe that immigrant children warrant the use of deadly force.
oh the children the children you shill those arent just children coming over you jack ass those a ms 13 and gangs and grown men and women with various diseases coming over !!! go work the border before you talk about anymore of this you pathetic woosey
It’s incredible that anyone can be such a pussy that they need to arm themselves against children. You are pathetic, and it’s little wonder you redneck goobers get slapped around so much.
yep too bad we have pedophiles such as yourself you terrorist supporting baby raper.. the same ppl who think that is our government !!! wake up you idiot!
Seems to me like YOU are the one who has ill will for children. I’ll bet you are one of those creepy old NAMBLA assholes, yes?
tell that to isis when they are here doing just that you disgusting child molesting freak
Late for your NAMBLA meeting, you cowardly pervert? What other hateful things do you like doing to children? You are a LOSER.
Yeah. And I bet all those peasants are really well armed and prepared to stand up to modern military weapons wielded by night-roaming murderers.
Do you have any clue at all about reality?
Would you support the US’s sending
Yes…I would support giving them the concept of a well armed militia. But not going to happen because they are totally unlucky to be born down there. Come on…they can’t stop thugs from breaking down the door anytime they want…they need perforation tools…LOL!!
They have “well-regulated militias.” That’s who is killing them.
Aren’t the children evading criminal gangs? The kind of thugs that matriculate to South Central LA. I remember them back in the 80’s. I once treated an ex-gang member at a residential facility…nasty looking dude too
Yes, purportedly they are.
I strongly suspect those criminal gangs are associated with the government, or with specific officials, and it also seems likely that their members overlap or are the descendants of the gangs of murderers maintained by the government in the 80s and which last I heard, still continued their activities on behalf of the governments. Perhaps this reflects blind prejudice on my part.
In any case, I personally believe that we as Americans owe a very heavy debt to the citizens of these countries for the actions of our government against them, and it seems extremely likely that these refugees come from the same social and economic classes who suffered the most as a result of those actions.
Feel free to disagree.
then that would mean everyone’s forefathers everywhere in every country did.. so moving to new land isnt running you idiot
Sorry goober — I didn’t realize you were there.
Yes indeed many of the European immigrants were criminals who were ‘running’ from justice. In fact, for a long time it was an alternative sentence for those convicted of crimes in Europe — especially England.
They DO have Google in your trailer park, don’t they?
Good luck with that. Have you any idea how many parents, children, and others were tortured and murdered by the US-trained, funded, supplied, and supported dictatorships and their death squads in the three countries most of them come from?
Did the US train the goons to terrorize the populous? I certainly can’t support that!! My point is our 2nd amendment is the reason why neither our government or anybody else’ can run rough shod over us like they can and do in banana republics we’re people are defenseless and in this case against baggy pants, bandana wearing, tattooed up thugs
And MY point is that we DID train goons and murderers to terrorize the people, whatever you care to “support.” “Many people mistake a short memory for a clear conscience.” And while we’re at it, I might point out a couple of other things: I’m betting that if you were old enough, you and a whole lot of other so-called Second Amendment defenders voted to train, finance, and equip those goons in Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, and going back a few more years, Indonesia, Chile, Argentina, Greece, Iran, Cambodia, Vietnam, and a long, long list of other places. I’m also betting that you still vote for the kind of government which carries out such crimes, the kind of government against which one is most likely to have legitimate need to defend oneself: the GOP neo-Fascist police state we’re headed for.
Sand, I respect your views and mostly level headed approach to political matters so don’t take our difference of values here too personal and don’t make any assumptions about my voting preferences or dispositions regarding the history of our “extremely flawed” foreign policies regarding diplomacy carried out by violence.
The bottom line with me as a defender of 2nd amendment rights is I refuse to trust mine and my families safety and security to other people and the 2nd amendment is here to support that I don’t have to.
I hope we can be friendly despite this very important difference of values
Understood. I have no problems with gun ownership, though I’ve never owned one myself. I’m just thoroughly sick of seeing pictures of dimwits walking around in restaurants and department stores carrying assault rifles, apparently as penis extenders.
While having a gun is better than nothing should a bunch of thugs show up at your door (and I can easily imagine those same guys from the pictures at mine), it’s not likely to do more than take one or two of them with you, and if they’re trained military, you wouldn’t have a prayer.
And – nothing personal intended, as I don’t know you – I find it irritating that many of those who talk about resisting “government tyranny,” aside from being windbags, do regularly go to the polls and vote for what I consider government tyranny, while applying that term to legitimate – and repeatedly proven necessary – attempts to prevent some businesses from poisoning the rest of us or abusing their employees, and keeping guns away from psychopaths.
Thanks for the reasonable response, which I probably didn’t deserve.
Actually you do deserve a reasonable response because I see you as a reasonable person. And I too am a reasonable person and we have agreed that we can disagree with people we can respect. 😉
Why? They have not broken any laws. In fact, they are well within their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. And they are trying to do what is legally required but it not being done.
No, it is NOT within their rights, and it IS against the law. Immigration is a federal matter and always has been. The reason is obvious: hateful, vile, bigoted boobs like this are not officers of the law, are not trained, and do not possess any authority. They belong in prison, and I would personally volunteer to help round them up and put them there if I was asked by somebody with REAL authority.
Well, guess what: the 1st and 2nd Amendments are part of the FEDERAL Constitution. Those are what authorizes them to carry weapons and patrol the border. They are have legal authority to detain anyone they catch doing illegal activities (i.e. sneaking across the border) and contact law enforcement so that those they detain can be arrested.
They have no legal authority whatever, and immigration is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. They are not part of the federal government, so they have no jurisdiction. They are criminals — period.
The Federal Government gives the the right to assemble and arm themselves. They are also allowed to detain illegals so that they can be arrested by the proper authorities.
They have no authority to detain anyone. Abducting minor children is a felony.
Citizens have the authority to detain people whom they catch breaking the law. They may not arrest, but they may turn them over for arrest.
Citizens who are not peace officers cannot ‘arrest’ or ‘detain’ minor children. Unless you are an officer of the law within your jurisdiction, taking possession of a minor child in any way is known as ‘kidnapping’. In addition to this, immigration is a federal matter.
Kidnapping minor children is a felony in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Citizens who witness such a felony in progress, especially when said felon is armed, are within their rights to use deadly force to protect the victim(s).
I don’t know why you hate children so much that you encourage the commission of felonies in order to inflict your vile wishes on them, but have a care if you ever actually try doing this — a concerned citizen can use their own weapon to protect the victim, and it would serve you right.
Entry without inspection is a crime. It is certainly not kidnapping to detain a minor that has committed a crime for the purpose of turning them over to legal authorities. Citizens are authorized to do this for Federal laws. They are Federal citizens after all.
what needs to be done is you need the beatn your parents never gave you
as it was a militia that fought to make this country !!!! our fore
fathers where a militia so take a real history lesson and digo your head
out of your sphincter wrinkle… oh oh oh but the government will take
care of you right.. i dont see the government handing out food to vets
and organizing food drives you moron!!! so put people tryn to help
others in prison ,, you are dumber than a box a damn rocks!! LIKE HELL
THEY ARENT WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS AND IT ISNT A FEDERAL MATTER !! THEY
HAVENT ABDUCTED ANYONE YOU MORON GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM
DEMONIZING MEDIA AND DO SOME REAL HOMEWORK ON THE SUBJECT BEFORE YOU GO
SLINGING YOUR SHIT HOOKS ALL OVER THE KEYBOARD!! WHY YOU HATE AMERICANS
AND THEIR FAMILIES IS BEYOND ME AND YOUR ARE COMMUNIST IDIOT YOU MIGHT
AS WELL BE THE ISIS ITSELF AS IM SURE YOU SUPPORT THE TERRORIST GROUP
ALSO THE ONLY ONE WHO HATES CHILDREN ARE YOU YOU HATE THE AMERICAN
CHILDREN KNOWING THAT THEIR HAVE BEEN MANY CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST THE
AMERICAN ELDERLY AND CHILDREN SUCH AS RAPE AND MOLESTATION BY ILLEGALS
!!! YOUR A SICK PEDOPHILE AND SHOULD BE CANED!
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be
2nd Amendment Annotations
Prior to the Supreme Court’s 2008 decision in District of Columbia v. Heller,1
the courts had yet to definitively state what right the Second
Amendment protected. The opposing theories, perhaps oversimplified, were
(1) an “individual rights” approach, whereby the Amendment protected
individuals’ rights to firearm ownership, possession, and
transportation; and (2) a “states’ rights” approach, under which the
Amendment only protected the right to keep and bear arms in connection
organized state militia units.2 Moreover, it was generally believed
that the Amendment was only a bar to federal action, not to state or
the Supreme Court has now definitively held that the Second Amendment
protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm unconnected with
service in a militia, and to use that weapon for traditionally lawful
purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Moreover, this right
applies not just to the federal government, but to states and
municipalities as well. THEY HAVENT BROKEN ANY LAWS SO BACK OFF YOU IGNORANT SHILL!! AND LOOK AT THE REAL CRIMINALS..YOU!!!!!!
If you like committing armed felonies you can complain to Bubba when you are slapped into a nice comfy prison cell. And mind you — that’s if you’re lucky. I know that God put redneck bigot goobers on this Earth to give real people somebody to slap around without feeling guilty, and far be it from me to question God’s plan, but if you kidnap a child — any child — using a firearm in my presence you are likely to be reunited with Satan right quick.
The First Amendment? Yes, they have the right to bitch, but what has that to do with it. They can also “peaceably” assemble, an unlikely occurrence by a bunch of armed fanatics.
I think you’re also a bit beyond the Second, too.
The First gives them the right to assemble, the Second gives them the right to arm themselves.
The First gives them the right to PEACEABLY assemble, not wave assault rifles in the faces of others and take the law into their own hands.
They are allowed to use weapons in self-defense. They are also allowed to detain people they catch breaking the law and present them for arrest to proper authorities.
Against children? Are you crazy?
Against, people who have no right or privilege to come here whatsoever. Most of these “children” are teenagers, some of whom are undoubtedly gang members.
They have THE LAW. Why you insist on committing crimes so that you can inflict vile deeds upon children is beyond me. Most people would call this being an ‘asshole’, and most people would be right.
No, they don’t have the law. The 2008 law only applies to children being trafficked. These children are being smuggled, not trafficked.
You don’t know that, so you are lying. The laws says they get a hearing to find out. Why do you insist on committing crimes and lying in order to inflict your vile wishes on children? Just what kind of man are you anyway?
They only have to have a hearing if they are being trafficked, which is not the case here. See here for more info: http://cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
Stop lying. The law requires that these children receive a hearing where the facts can be discovered and evaluated.
I’m not sure why you lie and advocate crimes in order to project your vile wishes upon innocent children, but I think you should explain it. What is your reason for hating innocent children to the extent that you are willing to publicly lie and advocate crimes against them?
No, it does not. If they are not being trafficked and the Border Patrol determines that their claims of persecution lack merit, they do not have the right to a hearing and may be deported immediately.
Negative. The law says that minor children from non-contiguous countries will be afforded a hearing before an immigration judge. Border control agents have no power to make any determination.
That is only if they are being trafficked, which is not the case here. See here for more info: http://cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
You don’t know what the case is here, so you are lying. The purpose of a hearing before an immigration judge is to determine just that. That’s the law, and what you advocate is a crime.
What is the motivation behind your wish to commit crimes against children?
Illegal aliens have no right to due process regarding immigration matters. They may be deported without a hearing. If the kids are being trafficked, than it is a different matter as the 2008 law applies. These border surgers are not being trafficked though.
If you believe that you know the situation with respect to these children, feel free to prove it by listing each child by name with your proof of their particulars. Otherwise stop lying and just admit that you don’t know their situation. This is exactly why the law requires a hearing, and there is no language in the law that say “unless James Bowen doesn’t like it”.
Again, the law only requires a hearing if they are being trafficked, which is not the case here. They may therefore be deported without due process, i.e. immediately. See here for more info: http://cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
You are lying, of course. You don’t know the particulars of each child’s situation. Nobody does without a hearing to investigate just that.
Why do you lie and advocate crimes against innocent children? Just what kind of man are you?
Did you read the link? Law enforcement makes the initial determination on whether their statements have merit. If they find they do not, they do not have a right to a hearing and may be deported immediately.
You are lying. Only federal agents can process these children and then only until they determine that they are from non-contiguous countries. Thereafter it is a judicial matter that they have no control over.
Why do you constantly lie and encourage crimes against children? Have you tried seeking professional psychological help for your issues?
You have obviously not read the link. Here it is again: http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
Only children who are being trafficked are entitled to a hearing. The U.S. Border Patrol, who are in fact Federal agents, may make the call on whether or not they are being trafficked. If they are not, they are illegal aliens, and illegal aliens do not have a right to a hearing.
Don’t you ever get tired of lying? Border Agents do not have the authority to make such a determination, and trafficking isn’t the only basis for asylum. Once it is established that they are not from a contiguous country, these children get a hearing before an immigration judge. That’s the law and it will still be the law no matter how much you lie about it.
It may be possible for you to get help for your lying, criminal wishes and despicable hate for children, but I urge you to seek help before your vile wishes land you in prison or worse.
Yes the do. See here again: http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
Only children who are being trafficked from non-contiguous countries are entitled to a hearing. If they are not being trafficked and they request asylum, the Border Patrol makes the initial call on whether their claim has merit. If it does not, they are illegal aliens and may be deported immediately.
Border agents know that they do not have this authority. Only an immigration judge can make that determination. They know well enough to obey the law, so what’s your malfunction?
They do have this authority, just as any law enforcement agent has the authority to determine which laws apply to a situation they are confronted with. A judge is not required to determine if someone is in the U.S. illegally, and illegal aliens are not entitled to a hearing before deportation. If you have evidence to the contrary, show it.
Ask and ye shall receive. Pertinent points from http://www.state.gov/j/tip/laws/113178.htm (US Department Of State):
“(3) RULE FOR OTHER CHILDREN- The custody of unaccompanied alien children not described in paragraph (2)(A) who are apprehended at the border of the United States or at a United States port of entry shall be treated in accordance with subsection (b).
(4) SCREENING- Within 48 hours of the apprehension of a child who is believed to be described in paragraph (2)(A), but in any event prior to returning such child to the child’s country of nationality or of last habitual residence, the child shall be screened to determine whether the child meets the criteria listed in paragraph (2)(A). If the child does not meet such criteria, or if no determination can be made within 48 hours of apprehension, the child shall immediately be transferred to the Secretary of Health and Human Services and treated in accordance with subsection (b). Nothing in this paragraph may be construed to preclude an earlier transfer of the child.”
And here is subsection b that the above talks about:
“(b) Combating Child Trafficking and Exploitation in the United States-
(1) CARE AND CUSTODY OF UNACCOMPANIED ALIEN CHILDREN- Consistent with section 462 of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 279), and except as otherwise provided under subsection (a), the care and custody of all unaccompanied alien children, including responsibility for their detention, where appropriate, shall be the responsibility of the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
(2) NOTIFICATION- Each department or agency of the Federal Government shall notify the Department of Health and Human services within 48 hours upon–
(A) the apprehension or discovery of an unaccompanied alien child; or
(B) any claim or suspicion that an alien in the custody of such department or agency is under 18 years of age.
(3) TRANSFERS OF UNACCOMPANIED ALIEN CHILDREN- Except in the case of exceptional circumstances, any department or agency of the Federal Government that has an unaccompanied alien child in custody shall transfer the custody of such child to the Secretary of Health and Human Services not later than 72 hours after determining that such child is an unaccompanied alien child.
(4) AGE DETERMINATIONS- The Secretary of Health and Human Services, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, shall develop procedures to make a prompt determination of the age of an alien, which shall be used by the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Secretary of Health and Human Services for children in their respective custody. At a minimum, these procedures shall take into account multiple forms of evidence, including the non-exclusive use of radiographs, to determine the age of the unaccompanied alien.
(c) Providing Safe and Secure Placements for Children-
(1) POLICIES AND PROGRAMS- The Secretary of Health and Human Services, Secretary of Homeland Security, Attorney General, and Secretary of State shall establish policies and programs to ensure that unaccompanied alien children in the United States are protected from traffickers and other persons seeking to victimize or otherwise engage such children in criminal, harmful, or exploitative activity, including policies and programs reflecting best practices in witness security programs…”
Nowhere does the law say that minor children from non-contiguous countries may be sent back at the discretion of Border Agents. Instead what it says is that if an ‘immigration officer’ cannot determine the status or feels that the child does not meet the criteria he/she may transfer the child to HHS immediately.
This part is worth highlighting, because it refutes your lies directly: The law specifically states that other than trafficking victims, children who are in danger from “other persons seeking to victimize or otherwise engage such children in criminal, harmful, or exploitative activity…” are to be processed under the same provisions as trafficking victims.
“If” a determination cannot be made–that part is important. What you talk about here is basically trafficking, as opposed to smuggling. These kids are being smuggled, i.e. they are willing participants. Therefore this law does not apply to them and they are subject to immediate deportation. Here is that backgrounder again. This is all addressed in there. http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis
Yes it IS important, but it doesn’t support your claims. What it says is that if a determination cannot be made OR the child does not meet such criteria in paragraph 2a, then they are to be processed according to 2b. This includes any number of situations dangerous to the child, and DOES NOT give anyone authority to return the child to their country of origin, but instead states that they can be turned over to HHS.
So give up the lies already — there’s your proof of THE LAW.
This only applies if the child is unaccompanied. Most of these children, having relatives in the U.S., are not legally unaccompanied, and may therefore be deported immediately if agent determine their refugee claims lack merit. This is discussed in here: http://www.cis.org/2008-trafficking-law-inapplicable-current-border-crisis.
Are you having trouble with the definition of ‘unaccompanied’? Surely you can find somebody to help you locate an online dictionary.
Your claim that these children had to be trafficking victims to be covered under the law was *debunked*. The same applies to your claim that any law enforcement officer was authorized to make a determination and immediately send these children back.
Your admission that you were wrong would be appropriate at this time.
If they are truly unaccompanied, you are correct. However, these children are being smuggled in, often at the behest of their relatives who are already (illegally) present in the U.S. This means that they are not legally unaccompanied, and may be deported immediately. Law enforcement officers may make that determination.
No, they may not. Only federal immigration officials may make that determination, and even if they determine that minor children have relatives in the US, they must transfer the child to the custody of HHS for processing. They have no authority to deport these children.
That is where the law is being misapplied. If they have relatives in the U.S., than they are not legally unaccompanied and may be deported immediately without being transferred to HHS. Law enforcement may make this determination under the law. If they cannot make the determination, than in that case you are probably right. But if they can, they may be deported immediately.
To bad the parents of those poor children don’t have guns! Imagine some phucker coming to my house to eat my food, rape my wife and toss me out with threats to kill me if I come back…
OH BOY THE JOY I WOULD HAVE TURNING IT INTO A SIEVE!!
That is what they face and their useless corrupt politicians won’t/ can’t/ are afraid to help the innocent people.
If ever there IS a case for guns in the hands of good guys THIS IS IT!
How dumb can you be!Perry had not recovered from his alcohol binge days. Perry sent 1000 Texas National Guards at $30 per hour and $45 if they work over time. Do you know what the national guards will be doing at the border – baby-sitting kids. That will cost Texas about on average $40,000 per hour or $2,240,000 a week. It is proposed they will stay at the border for 100 or until Congress authorizes federal funds. That will cost Texans about $.3 billion just for baby-sitting job. We are told Perry has contract with his friend to supply the Texas guards with free food, lodging in hotels and entertainment. The total cost will be $1.0 bi., for 100 days. Now GOPs and TPs want to make Perry their 2016 nominee. I think GOPers and TPs are primitive people. If now how can they think of nominating an alcoholic and WH candidate!
So Perry has created 1000 Kindergarten Cop stories! Too bad they can’t make a reality show by filming all 1000 baby-sitting episodes and putting them on TV. Oh wait, that might change some feelings when people actually SEE children suffering and (hopefully) being cared for afterward.
You made my day. If you’re laid off -there is a job for you. Simply show up there and tell the lead worker that you raised kids – a qualification for the border patrol job. Have fun.