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Thursday, January 17, 2019

Reprinted with permission from MediaMatters.

Fox News has been trying to normalize white supremacy for years. But since Donald Trump’s election, hosts, guests, and contributors on Fox are now openly defending white supremacists and neo-Nazis.

Everyone is well aware that Trump has been continually signaling his support to white supremacists since the 2016 presidential campaign. He retweets them, refuses to immediately disavow them, and even defendsthem. And Fox News is right there to validate him at every turn.

Fox News personalities repeat his talking points without question (and he repeats theirs). They claim that Trump has done everything he can to condemn these groups and everyone should accept it. They tell viewers to be more understanding of where neo-Nazis are coming from, but don’t extend the same empathy to NFL athletes who have been peacefully protesting racial injustice by taking the knee during the pre-game national anthem. They praise Trump for not jumping to any conclusions. They make ridiculous comparisons that falsely equate white supremacists with minority groups fighting for equal rights. Fox host Tucker Carlson has even promoted a social media app that’s been called “a haven for white nationalists.”

When white supremacists hear the White House and a major news network repeating and amplifying their ideas, they rejoice because, according to Heidi Beirich at the Southern Poverty Law Center, “It builds their ranks … because instead of being considered racist kooks by the majority of people, if their ideas are verified in places like Fox News or places like Breitbart, whatever the case might be, they have something to point to say I’m not extreme.” Beirich has called Fox News “the biggest mainstreamer of extremist ideas” and explained that “the horror of this is that people turn on their TV they go to cable, [they] assume this has got to be mainstream,” but “what you find is radical right ideas being pushed on Fox.”

Since white supremacists and neo-Nazis “are deeply involved in politics, [and] are a constituency that is being pandered to at the highest level of political office,” and because Fox News is elevating their movement, Beirich urges mainstream outlets to “talk about their ideas, … to talk about the domestic terrorism that’s inspired by white supremacy, and … about hate crimes.”

 

 

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84 responses to “VIDEO: How Fox News Is Mainstreaming White Supremacists And Neo-Nazis”

  1. OK, it’s obvious that Tucker Carlson, Bannon and the other Breitbarter’s, that FOX and the GOP are dedicated to promoting and/or abetting racism and godlessness, no matter what anyone says. It’s way past due to allow these misfits masquerading as humans to hang themselves, and so we should give them as much rope as they desire to fulfill this task.

    To enable this process of self-elimination these cads mindlessly aspire to achieve, we need to make clear to the public key areas which highlight the utter depravity and spiritual death of such individuals and organizations. Citing political arguments is a TOTAL waste and distraction, because politics itself is a product of deficient minds, minds which are “unable to see God with their own eyes, or hear His melody with their own ears”, and therefore is a decayed tool which is useless in making the point of the “death” so to speak of diseased minds like FOX, Trump, Breitbart, etc.

    Otherwise, of what use is it to use a “diseased” instrument to offer a diagnosis of a diseased patient??

    The obvious areas of weakness to be exploited and brought to bear in broad daylight are the following:

    1)Racialism and Racial Superiority are fallacies without a shred of evidence to support their viability, based on the Teachings of Baha’u’llah and the complimentary facts borne out by current scientific findings regarding the commonality of every member of the human species. Since the Message of the Baha’i Faith clearly and loudly spells out from a spiritual standpoint the baseless and utterly indefensible position of Racism and the Racialist theories such a practice derives from, it would serve as the most appropriate touchstone to shatter the falsity of the arguments of racist apologists.
    There can be no credible evidence—EVER—put forth from the likes of Bannon, Trump, and FOX to refute the Message of Baha’u’llah, nor dispute the findings of the latest evidences discovered via molecular biology—a discipline which only recently has been able to catch up with what Baha’u’llah affirmed over a century ago.

    2) Another key weakness to expose is the total absence of any signs of morality from the motley and immoral crew I cited. Once this is brought out into the open and carefully scrutinized and pointed out on a regular basis by the media, Trump, Breitbart, Bannon, the GOP in general, and FOX, will be exposed as featureless facsimiles of what a human being should be, or how responsible journalism is supposed to look like.
    Such exposure will put on display an unsightly nakedness which will curdle the blood of any who witness such a frightening exposition, for the entire world to witness and agree to their lack of depth and humanity.

    3) Coupled with these major weaknesses should be a clearly delineated description contrasting the path which the amorality of Breitbart, the GOP and FOX leads to compared to what the path of further social evolution[or no evolution] would look like if we follow FOX and Trump.

    Nothing short of following these lines of attack, I perceive, will be capable of rehabilitating and restoring a vision lost long ago by the Right Wing and its sycophants and various other spiritual/social misfits in American society.

    Political arguments are incapable of changing hearts, igniting long-dormant centers of conscience, and were never suited for awakening the dead among us in American society from their strange sleeping-sickness state of mind.

    • Bob B says:

      Well written but not well thought out. The Muslims persecuted and in fact murdered the Bahai… They would have been completely exterminated had they not fled to areas of the world that their philosophies are tolerated. It is unfortunate that the west has opened its gates to the same ideology that makes Nazis look like a nice group by comparison.Liberalism , a once noble effort to foster peace and understanding between the industrial powers post bloodbath of WW2 has since devolved into a pit of tribalism disguised as multiculturalism , gender bending disguised as neo feminism, the the shaming of the very people who created the concept in the first place. 800 years were spent driving the barbarian Muslim hordes out of Europe and off the world stage. Now thanks to open border policies, coupled with the muslim distain of our global effort to reduce the population explosion , they proliferate and expand once again.. Be prepared Mr Bahai ..You and your descendants won’t be spared from reaping the horror of the Pandoras box you opened over the last 20 years.

      • How would you know what is and isn’t well thought out. Obviously you can read mechanically, but you lack comprehension, have no heart to speak of except a ticking heart, have worked too long as a serf for Putin,
        and you have but a superficial understanding of the Baha’i Faith.
        Otherwise, you would have known that in every religious Dispensation, the clergy of each of the previous Religions always were the first to arise up against each new Manifestation of God. If you’re unaware of that that is an indication that you never took the time to study closely this theme.
        I suggest you look at the response Moses received from Pharoah; of how the Pharisees condemned Jesus; how the Crusaders maimed or killed thos in their path on the crusade to Palestine.

        And yes, the Muslim authorities in Iran and elsewhere arose against the Baha’is. But witness the response of the Baha’i Community, in Iran, and elsewhere in the world to such oppression. Rather than respond in kind, the Baha’is in a dignified manner except their fate while enlisting through diplomacy the help of other nations to speak out against the Muslim clerics and secular leaders in Iran.

        If you need further elucidation on this matter or of the theme of Religious persecutions since the time of Adam, don’t hesitate to respond.

  2. idamag says:

    Hitler has Goebbels and we have fox.

    • Bob B says:

      shaddup , you are a traitor like the convicts on the NFL

      • yabbed says:

        That is an offensive post. Learn some manners.

        • Eleanore Whitaker says:

          Manners are not taught by perfect strangers to McBrats dumped of in daycare from infancy like sacks of potatoes.

          These white hicks are nothing more than schoolyard bullies. Sorry, not on MY tax dollars.

      • idamag says:

        I wouldn’t expect you to understand.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        Get an education low life boy. What next? You going as trigger happy as your peer Paddock?

        • loveofcountry says:

          Paddock was a comrade of the ultra left antifa

          • Where did you dig up that lie—on Facebook?

          • Eleanore Whitaker says:

            A. You blue frigs hate your country. What the hell kind of country has NO organized government? Read Establishment. B. There ARE NO ultra left anti Fascists in Nevada. It’s a RED state moron.

            Why do you liars think if YOU post it, WE must accept your lies? Grow the hell up little one. You are not fooling the older and wiser ADULTS.

            If that Liar in Chief Lard Ass is your version of a Conservative Republican, you prove who and what YOU frigs are…FASCISTs. Or should I post, “ProfFASCISTAS?”

            You do realize shitforbrains that anti Fascists HATE your FASCISM and your post singles YOU out as a FASCIST.

      • Eleanore Whitaker says:

        The only traitor here is you “moron.” You bigots were never taught when to shut those stupid, moron mouths. So you rattle on and hope and pray some dumbass will fall for your BS.

  3. Bob B says:

    you people are a disgrace running an article like this.. you are the real racists ,not tucker Carlson.

    • stcroixcarp says:

      Hey, Bobby B. you bot or maybe just troll? I like Russia bots best. Trolls stink.

    • Eleanore Whitaker says:

      Sorry Bobby boy. But if it is found that Fox News, which is owned by that ultra right wing America hater Rupert Murdoch, is in on the Russian attempt to overthrow the U.S. Government, you and your suck ups will be the first to end up where you belong. Deported to Russia.

      Tucker Carlson is just another Great WHITE Angry Middle Aged Male raised without much parental supervision in daycare where McMommy and McDaddy dumped his ass so they could live high on the hog and show off with their McMansion and their other ostentatious BS luxuries.

      You want men like Bannon, Limpballs and Tucker to do what you are hoping for the most? Take down the establishment of government created by the Founding Fathers?

      Who the hell do you right wingers think you are? You don’t get to use our tax dollars for your Nazi cheerleaders. Heil Trump!

    • Thoughtopsy says:

      Hey Bob… Putin has some new instructions for you… and your other sockpuppet accounts. Go ask him what he wants.
      There’s a good troll.

    • FireBaron says:

      Awww, did the Special Snowflake get his feelings hurt? Are you afraid to take your Brown Shirt or your white robes out of the closet now? If so, suck it up, buttercup. This isn’t Breitbart where they stroke egos like yours so you can feel good about living in your neo-Nazi paradise.

    • loveofcountry says:

      Will never see this Bob. Thanks for trying though.

  4. yabbed says:

    Trump is clearly a white supremacist. He makes no bones about it. He’s clearly a racist and doesn’t even try to hide it. He’s a neo Nazi and proud of it. He tries at every opportunity to establish an authoritarian dictatorship and moves in every way possible to destroy our democracy and Constitutional protections. That’s Trump, a disgraceful traitor to America.

    • FireBaron says:

      Teflon Donnie’s grandfather (a draft-dodger from the German Army, and Pimp who ran whorehouses in Alaska), his father (known for his Klan affiliations in the 30s and who “redlined” Black, Jewish and Hispanic families) and his mother (an illegal immigrant who married Fred Trump to stay in this country) raised him to hate everyone who didn’t look like their family.

    • loveofcountry says:

      What constitutional protections is our president trying to destroy? The constitution gives him the right to protect our borders and our citizens. Is that what you mean.

  5. loveofcountry says:

    Who owns Media Matters? This article is an absolute disgrace. Thank you Tucker Carlson for shining light on these lunatics with truth and logic. Such a shame how our country is so divided. This web site is helping promote this.

    • Thoughtopsy says:

      Blow me, retard.
      You and your knuckledragger ilk are the said period on the end of the sentence that was America.

      All items in this article are easily proven by watching pretty much any Fox News show. It’s not even hard. It’s not even hidden.

      The country is divided by the vast gulf in gullibility between the willfully ignorant and racist Republican base who have been deliberately fed the cr@p they believe by a political party and a media company both using them for their ignorance… and the rest of the country.
      See… you think that the Democrats are the people you are fighting.
      That’s wrong.
      You morons are fighting EVERYONE ELSE. And you’re losing. You’re losing Democrats (obviously), you’re losing Independents, you’re losing the normally politically disinterested… and you’re even losing moderate Republicans.

      Why?

      Because you think Nazis are “good people”… and you sort of think they might have a point. You think brown skinned folks are suspicious and uppity and should know their place. You think patriotism is about buying guns and sticking confederate flags on things and trying to dress like a soldier.

      And, above all else, you think that a 70 year old elitist New York conman misogynist sexual predator is “one of you folks” and going to save you from the future… when all he’s actually here to do is apply the final double tap to the head of middle America by lying continuously, lapping up the mindless adulation of his followers, and strip mining America of every cent he can before he’s ousted.
      He is the logical extension of exactly the strategy the GOP has been using since Reagan. He’s just much better at it than they all are.

      And don’t worry… you don’t have to believe me.
      Just wait about 18 more months.
      Until the environment is starting to kill masses of people again due to the regulations he removed, and a few million people have died through lack of health insurance, and 10 million people have died on the Korean peninsula after he nukes it, and he’s finally indicted for money laundering, mob connections, tax evasion, bank fraud, investment scams, fake universities, and every other scumbag POS he’s done that Mueller finally unearths.

      The thing that makes me mock you so much, however, is NONE OF THAT IS HIDDEN. He’s the most obvious liar, conman, thief, crook and destructive childish self-centered assh0le I’ve ever had the misfortune to see. And the things he has done are largely not even concealed. They are out in the open. The criminal connections. The Access Hollywood bus tape. The groping. The racism. The hate. The incitement of racial violence. The failed businesses. The fake Biography. The fake net worth. The sucking up to Putin… it’s all there… in the open.

      Yet you can’t see it.

      And that is hilarious now…
      But will be SO much more hilarious soon.

    • FireBaron says:

      What are you? One of these people who believe that only the WRM has any right to publish any article critical of any other media outlet? Or is it that the truth is causing special snowflakes like yourself to wither and met in the scrutiny of the light?

      • loveofcountry says:

        Snowflakes are leftist students in our universities that are emotionally unstable. Not sure what you are referring to.

  6. loveofcountry says:

    I have only read a few of these posts. Could not continue to read what you write to one another. What a disgrace. No civil discourse here!
    Just emotional drivel and animosity.

    • Oh my—we’re so concerned that you’re so upset. Go back to worshiping that false god of yours called Nationalism and just pretend no one is knocking your idolatry.

      • loveofcountry says:

        It’s called patriotism. What do you worship?

        • No one is arguing against a “sane” patriotism. But what you and the likes of Steve Bannon are enamored with is an excessive and irrational patriotism—one which you pay such inordinate attention to that you overlook how patriotism has been distorted.

          Such as using it as a hammer to beat those who protest illegal and immoral actions into submission. So, don’t try the trick of distracting us from the real issue—RACISM.

          Use your dictionary if you’re unfamiliar with the meaning, and how it does not equate to “patriotism”.

          I worship that unknowable Essence, common;y termed “God” in the English language. What do you worship besides a artifice devised by the human mind called “Nation”, and outlined with artificially-imposed boundaries on a map?

        • Independent1 says:

          Patriotism only in your minuscule mentally retarded mind. This is not Nazi Germany, this is America. Your type of patriotism does not belong here.

          • loveofcountry says:

            What is your type of patriotism?

          • Independent1 says:

            Fighting for the equal rights of everyone – that all men and women are created equal and should have equal status under the law irregardless of religious beliefs or sexual preferences.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Sounds good to me.

          • loveofcountry says:

            How do you know what type of patriotism I believe in. Are there many kinds? Are all conservatives in your mind nazis?

          • Independent1 says:

            Sadly, in today’s world the vast majority of conservatives’ beliefs border on fascism – evidenced by there still being over 33% of Americans supporting Donald Trump who is more like Hitler than Hitler was himself.

            Trump is more of a psychopath than Hitler, other U.S. presidential contenders, researcher finds

            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trump-psychopathic-2016-presidential-candidate-study-article-1.2762541

            If you see a great deal of animosity on the NM to today’s conservatives, it’s because there’s virtually no evidence that today’s conservatives are anything but corrupt, greedy buzzards ready to tear America apart just so they can feast of the spoils.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Wow, are you misguided.

          • Independent1 says:

            Really??

            So the fact that the GOP is working to virtually unfund every social benefit that supports middleclass and poor people, including healthcare that will jeopardize the lives of tens of millions of Americans, just so they can give tax breaks to the wealthy, isn’t corrupt and buzzard like?

            And the fact that they’re promoting a budget that will add at least 2 trillion to our debt while giving people like Trump millions in tax breaks isn’t corrupt and buzzard like?

            And the fact that Trump and the GOP have supported one corporate giveaway after another so they can make more profits while jeopardizing the lives of virtually every American from air pollution, climate change with corporations allowed to produce harmful products, isn’t corrupt and buzzard-like.

            If anyone in this conversation is misguided, IT IS YOU!!

            I could go on and on about the bad side of the GOP for hours!!!

          • loveofcountry says:

            I could go on and dispute your talking points and lack of actual facts. But then what is the point? Your mind is closed. You have been brainwashed into hating Trump and all conservatives. Such a sad state our country is in right now. One side pitted against the other.
            Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country. The days of John Kennedy and his liberal party gone.

          • Independent1 says:

            You could go on and dispute my talking points, HOW?? You have no facts that support anything positive for the GOP NONE!! Even the great Reagan was a disaster – America’s worst president ever. He was more evil than Trump.

            Since 1900, the average GDP growth in America has been pathetic under Republics – 2.6% while it’s averaged over 4% under Democrats.

            The Stock Market actually had negative gains (losses) over the 42 years Repubs were in office before Trump, while the Market has gained over 300% under Dems.

            Since Nixon’s 2nd term, every Republican has governed by driving up America’s debt, while every Democrat has successfully worked to reduce deficit spending. Reagan and the 2 Bushes are responsible for more than 90% of our current 20 trillion in debts.

            It’s not by accident that all 10 states Gallup-Healthways says are the most miserable to live in with the worst quality of life are all governed by the GOP.

            And I could go on and on with one disaster fact after another for a totally failed party. The GOP is the party of premature death!!!

          • Jan123456 says:

            Bravo Indy!

            You have to know that when people say things like love did instead of ACTUALLY going on and on….they have nothing.

          • loveofcountry says:

            How can anyone be more like Hitler than Hitler himself? Ridiculous.

          • Independent1 says:

            Hitler was a fascist – Trump is even a bigger fascist than Hitler.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Where is Trump advocating the total control of our people?

        • FireBaron says:

          Calling Patriotism what you worship equates you with the attendees of the Nuremburg rallies of the ’30s. They, too, worshiped what they called “patriotism”. Sorry, but I agree with Independent, Aaron and others. Patriotism is not something to worship, but an ever evolving struggle to bring the same rights to the least of our citizens that others enjoy.
          I didn’t spend 12 years in the US Navy to listen to mooks and morons describe how White Nationalism (the new term for racism) is so damned wonderful. However, you do have the right to say what you think, regardless of how odious it is. After all, this is America. So, maybe you and other special snowflakes like you should be thankful that people like us are willing to fight for your right to act no better than one of the Brownshirts of the late 20s and early 30s.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Sorry that you misinterpreted my response. I do not worship nationalism?
            I simple love my country.
            Was responding to being told that I worship nationalism.

  7. bobnstuff says:

    I think we are giving Fox to much credit for their ideological leanings. Back years ago the discovered that hate sells and gone with it. It’s about viewership and demographics. They found a niche market and built on it. Cable news isn’t all that big a market no matter what it seems but it can be profitable. News programing the way Fox does it is cheap to produce and as long as you play on your viewer prejudges they will stay loyal. Fox are not the light but the reflector.

  8. Lynda Groom says:

    Not very surprising since they are the major element of the right-wing entertainment div.

  9. FireBaron says:

    What really bothers me is my father and his generation (and that also includes people like Tucker Carlson’s grandfathers’ generation) fought a damn war to get rid of Nazis. And now we have these clowns embracing and idolizing them!

    • loveofcountry says:

      Where have you seen anyone embracing Nazis?

      • Independent1 says:

        ‘Blood and soil’: Protesters chant Nazi slogan in Charlottesville

        Some white nationalists and right-wing protesters who have converged on Charlottesville, Virginia, have been using a Nazi rallying cry.

        Video shows some of the protesters shouting “blood and soil,” a phrase
        invoking the Nazi philosophy of “Blut und Boden.” The ideology stressed
        that ethnic identity is based on only blood descent and the territory in
        which an individual lives — and it celebrated rural farmers and peasants as virtuous Germans.

        http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally/index.html

        Neo-nazis and white supremacists are celebrating Trump’s remarks about the Charlottesville riots

        White nationalists and neo-Nazis celebrated President Donald Trump’s
        remarks about the protests in Charlottesville, Virginia on Friday, in
        which he denounced violence “on all sides” rather than explicitly
        condemning white supremacism.

        http://www.businessinsider.com/neo-nazis-celebrate-trumps-remarks-about-charlottesville-riots-2017-8

        • loveofcountry says:

          Trump denounces violence on all sides.
          That’s antifa, white supremacy and anyone who uses violence.

          • Independent1 says:

            Total Hogwash!! Trump time and time again incited violence against peaceful protestors that attended his campaign stops.

            The violence in Charlottesville was by-in’large incited and perpetrated by right-wing neo-nazis and other white supremecists and TRUPM HAS DONE NOTHING BUT TRY TO SPREAD THE BLAME!!! WHEN THE BLAME IS ON THE NEO-NAZIS AND WHITE SUPREMACISTS FOR HAVING STAGED THE RALLY IN THE FIRST PLACE IN SUPPORT OF A CLEARLY RACIST CAUSE – THE CONFEDERACY!!!!!!

          • loveofcountry says:

            We have a First Amendment right to peaceful assembly and free speech. I may not agree with what you have to say but as an American citizen I have the right. If I do not like what you are saying I can state my case, but I am a criminal if I use violence against you, i.e. Antifa.

          • Independent1 says:

            Peaceful assemblies yes, but video records of Charlottesville clearly show the right-wing neo-nazis physically attacking the protestors and starting the violence!!! While they were shouting racist, hateful slogans!!

            Sorry lowlife!! But you’re never going to justify what the neo-nazis and white supremacists did at Charlottesville, SO STOP WASTING MY TIME WITH YOUR HATEFUL ATTEMPTS TO JUSTIFY HATE!!!!!

          • loveofcountry says:

            Whoever uses violence against another should be prosecuted and labeled a criminal. Left or right. That is what President Trump is saying.
            Such hate!

          • Independent1 says:

            More of your absolute BS!! Trump has never not advocated violence against those who disagree with his agenda!! You are a pathological liar!!!!!!

          • loveofcountry says:

            The article you posted quoted him as saying such.

          • Independent1 says:

            Trump, who lies 90+% of the time saying something?? What kind of idiot are you. Trump lies all the time, he rarely ever speaks the truth or what he really means!!! Get real lowlife!!!

          • Independent1 says:

            Fact Checkers Prove That 91% of the Things Donald Trump Says Are False

            Trump lies so much that in 2015, Politifact awarded him the Lie of the Year for numerous statements he made, because the team couldn’t pick the most egregious lie. Out of 77 statements checked, 76 of them were found to be mostly false to false
            to pants on fire lies.

            http://www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

          • loveofcountry says:

            Why are you so angry?

          • Independent1 says:

            BECAUSE TRUMP AND HIS COHORTS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA!! WHAT KIND OF IDIOT ARE YOU???????

          • loveofcountry says:

            You are irrational.

          • Independent1 says:

            YOU ARE A MENTALLY RETARDED NAIVE IDIOT!!!

          • Independent1 says:

            Everything Trump is setting America up for its downfall!!

            From deporting immigrants, who are the people who are actually the backbone of the American economy and the growth of our economy, to alienating virtually every ally that America has around the world!! When are you going take your head out of your rear end?????

          • loveofcountry says:

            Illegal immigrants, the backbone of the American economy?

          • Independent1 says:

            Absolutely!! They do the work that no American will do, Work that supports millions of native-born Americans jobs – like truckers for farms, picking crops cheap enough to make them a viable commodity. Running 35% of small businesses, paying billions in taxes and into Social Security. Doing the work that supports thousands of construction companies like digging ditches, carrying bricks and shingles, work native-born Americans won’t do.

            And it’s only women who come to America from countries where contraceptive use isn’t the norm, that have more than 2 kids/couple which is why America’s population has grown over the past 2-3 decades while the population in virtually every other major country in the world is plummetting. What kind of economy do you think America is going to have in the next couple decades if our population, like every country in Europe, starts declining???

            Companies like McDonald’s, Target, Walmart and others are already struggling – what will they do when there are fewer and fewer customers???

          • loveofcountry says:

            Half of undocumented workers file federal income taxes. Vast majority don’t pay, instead they use these returns to claim refundable tax credits which is a form of welfare. In other words, illegal immigrants use federal income tax code to collect money from U.S. Citizens. Federal law prohibits illegals from earning income in U.S. Many work for cash and by fraudulently using S.S. Numbers. 2013 report by S.S. Administration notes illegals get social security numbers by using counterfeit birth certificates, usurping others numbers and reusing numbers that they receive in order to temporarily work in U.S.

          • Independent1 says:

            Undocumented immigrants do not commit IRS fraud at anywhere near the rate that native-born Americans do THAT IS PURE HOGWASH!!

            Immigrants, including illegals, commit 1/8th the crimes that native-born Americans do. And when they commit a crime, the crimes they commit are far less likely to require incarceration than the crimes native-borns do.

            Your post is pure nonsense!!

            The benefits illegals provide to the American economy far outweigh what that they are costing America!!!

            They contribute over 12 billion to Social Security and billions into Medicare and they don’t even qualify for those benefits!!

            You’re whistling up the wrong tree!!!

          • Independent1 says:

            In case you didn’t believe me when I said Trump deporting immigrants and banning even legal immigration is hurting American businesses, here’s an article that points out just that fact – the lack of foreign workers is hurting businesses – in this case the tourism industry (hotels, motels and restaurants all across Maine).

            Foreign worker shortage still hurting tourism industry during busy fall season

            Maine’s tourism industry continues to struggle with a shortage of foreign workers, especially now that many of its seasonal workers have returned to school.

            “What hurt [our business] this summer was the H-2B visa cap,” said Bob Smith, manager of the Sebasco Harbor Resort
            in Phippsburg, near Popham Beach. He planned to hire eight foreign workers to work through October, but their visas didn’t come through. “Those workers could have helped us at the beginning and end of the summer season. And this October is much stronger than average from the southern coast of Maine to Bar Harbor.”

            http://bangordailynews.com/2017/10/09/news/foreign-worker-shortage-still-hurting-tourism-industry-during-busy-fall-season/

          • loveofcountry says:

            Wonder why their visas were denied? Wonderful our laws are finally being enforced!????

          • Independent1 says:

            Nobodies visas were denied! The Trump Administration just drastically reduced the number of H-2B visa’s that could be issued. Totally clueless to the negative impact that would have on many businesses across the country – especially for businesses related to farming, construction, tourism/travel, and even small businesses like quick stops and many others that rely on foreign labor because they pay wages native-born Americans simply won’t work for.

          • loveofcountry says:

            Maybe these business should start paying their workers a decent wage.
            Might help employ more as you call them “native born”. Why should these business owners hoard their profits denying people, some of them on welfare the incentive to work. Greedy business owners!

          • Independent1 says:

            Problem here is, that the foreign workers we’re talking about generally don’t work in companies like fast food (McDonald’s, Burger King, etc.), or retail like Walmart – companies that sell hundreds of products they can add a few pennies to to cover the cost of raising wages. No, foreign workers usually work in farms and hotels/motels or construction – work where the cost of the labor directly impacts the cost of the products.

            So do you really think Americans are ready to pay $15 for a basket of strawberries or blueberries? Or $5 a pound for oranges? Or maybe $300/night in a fly-by-night motel? Or another $30,000-$50,000 for what someone thought was going to be a $150,000 house?

            America is the strawberry capital producer on the planet. It has attained that status only because there have been foreign workers who will work dirt-cheap to pick a basket of strawberries. Without that cheap labor virtually every strawberry producer in the country that isn’t ‘pick-your-own’ would go out of business because few if any people would pay $10-$15 a basket for strawberries.

            Neither your mom nor my mom, nor virtually the mom of any native-born American, raised their children up with the notion of being a farm hand, or cleaning maid in a motel or for digging ditches. These kinds of jobs are just not the kind of work that’s built into the American psych. So I doubt seriously you could pay native-born Americans enough money to have them be content with doing the kind of work that we ask these foreign workers to do.

            (And keep in mind that Elizabeth Warren proved McDonald’s could raise the base wage of their workers to $10.10 by adding just 4 cents to the cost of one happy meal, and the company refused to do it. So there’s also strong resistance from companies to pay higher wages even if they could easily afford it. And it hasn’t been helping with the GOP enacting right-to-pay-you-less laws in state after state.)

          • loveofcountry says:

            The employment of illegal aliens is illegal under laws that were enacted in 1986. The argument in patently false because they are working in jobs in which U.S. workers are employed, be it construction, agricultural harvesting or in service professions. It has become the case in seasonal crop agriculture, the willingness of foreign workers to accept lower wages because of their illegal status and this acts to depress wages and working conditions for all workers in that occupation. This in turn makes employment in that sector less attractive to U.S. workers who unlike the illegals have other options. The result is circular logic. The more that illegals are able to take jobs in a sector of the economy, the less attractive the sector becomes and the greater appearance of the validity to the lie that only illegal aliens are willing to take jobs in that sector. Only by enforcing the immigration law against employment of illegal aliens can this spiral to the bottom be broken and employers be forced to restore wages and working conditions.

          • Independent1 says:

            More of your absolute BS!! Yes illegals are not supposed to be working, but they do not depress wages or take jobs from native-born Americans!! And they actually drive up wages by supporting more jobs!! YOUR POST IS ALL A BLATANT LIE!!!

            Left and Right Agree: Immigrants Don’t Take American Jobs

          • Independent1 says:

            All you know how to do is regurgitate the blatant lies spewed by the right-wing CIS!! YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!!!

          • loveofcountry says:

            Meanwhile a million jobs have been added to our economy and stock market is booming.

          • Independent1 says:

            You’re certainly not trying to brag are you? Because job creation under Trump has been pathetic. Even Trump’s financial advisor, Gary Cohen, agreed that Trump had absolutely no affect on the job growth numbers through at least April; job growth through at least April was built into the economy by Obama.

            So since April, here’s the job growth numbers (in 1,000s): 145, 210, 138, 169, -33. If you add those up that’s about 630,000 jobs over 5 months; or about 125,000 jobs/mo. Obama averaged creating 190,000 jobs/mo from 1/1/2016 through 4/30/2017.

            But then, job growth under Republicans has always been pathetic. Reagan and the 2 Bushes were only able to create about 24 million jobs in 20 years – a little over 1 million jobs/year. Carter, Clinton and Obama created almost twice that many, 47 million jobs in 20 years.

            And the stock market analysts are focusing on what they think will be added corporate profits because Trump has unleashed them from any regulations that may cost them profits – despite the fact that doing so will greatly endanger not only their employees but all of us living in the U.S. Corporations can now create whatever pollution they want and whatever dangerous working environments they choose and also release dangerous products into the hands of unsuspecting Americans.

            Isn’t that just peachy keen? All hail consumerism and corporate profits. Even if it kills us all!!!

          • Independent1 says:

            And I forgot to mention, stock market analysts are totally ignoring the fact that Trump’s policies are setting America up for another Great Recession or even possibly a depression!!

            No Republican president since 1900 has ever been in office for more than 18 months without a recession or depression starting (in fact, only one has gone longer than a year before starting a recession/depresson – H.W Bush); while 3 Democrats have served their entire terms without a recession beginning during their term – LBJ, Clinton and Obama.

      • Independent1 says:

        And how can you honestly look at this chart which shows that every Democrat since Hoover has governed our nation in a way that jobs/and GDP wise outperformed every Republican, and not agree that Republicans have been a disaster for America every time they’ve been in the presidency??

        Even Eisenhower, who is possibly the only Republican since Teddy Roosevelt to be an honest, upright individual, was a failure as president. America struggled in one recession after another under Ike because he was such a skinflint!! American’s struggled in recession for almost 1/2 of Ike’s 8 years in office. He leads all presidents with having allowed 3 recessions to occur during his presidency.

        Republicans know nothing about running a government, because they spend their whole time in office trying to figure out how they can personally steal as much taxpayer money as possible while in office; and work to shovel as much more money as they can into the pockets of their wealthy donors. Republicans do not care one iota for the struggles of the people who actually voted them into office!!

        And evidence of that is no clearer than today where Trump and the GOP is working tirelessly to rob the American taxpayer blind!!!!! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8f349b99be7f7ae4ca784bbc17e744d8f161e1ed4f74903dfa28658e0636855d.jpg

        Even Reagan, who the GOP worships, failed to guide the economy into GDP and jobs growth above that of Nixon – and above no Democrat listed in the chart.

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