This is a good story of a Grandfather who saved his Granddaughter from being raped by three thugs and he saved her life with a gun. I figured that I would post it here on the gun control news site called the national memo.http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/10/26/Grandfather-Shoots-Kills-Suspect-To-End-Attempted-Gang-Rape-Of-Granddaughter
The NRA has helped to teach more gun safety then any other organization in the United States. They teach all of our youth hunter safety course and they set the ground work for all of our police force firearm training. We don’t have a problem with gun’s in this country, we have a problem with lack of personal responsibility for ones actions. We have a problem with not teaching Firearm safety at home and in our High Schools. We have to many people who care more about what Kim Kardashian, is wearing or who she is sleeping with, then who is the president of the United States of America. The same people don’t know that we have three branches of government, Legislative Branch/Judicial Branch/and the Executive Branch.When people cant handle daily life’s struggles they turn to Drugs and alcohol and some form of a gang for acceptance. Some of you think that to be a member of the NRA and a gun owner is something that you see in a Hollywood action movie, nothing can be further from the truth. We are your local Police fire and rescue, We are your local school teachers, We are Fathers and Mothers sons and daughters. We are your local Pastor’s, We are five million strong and growing.
Wow!! You really are a right-wing sheeple aren’t You – Briebart – the most right-wing-biased, facts distorting, website on the internet aside from Faux News!! You’re really wasting your time posting stuff from that pack of lies website on this venue except for the other right-wing sheeple posting here like kenndeb!!!
Since you are against the people owning firearms. Will you put a sign up on your property saying that this is a gun free zone?
Actually a sign stating what he has to take, and that he is unprotected. That would move things along for him.
Scared people are easy to control. So, there are groups and politicians who work the fear very well and there are people who scare easy.
The NRA I also a civil rights organization.http://www.wnd.com/2007/04/41058/
I believe the oldest civil rights organization in America.
Sorry libs but the NRA also helped the blacks from the KKK.http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/sorry-libs-nra-was-there-to-help-blacks-defend-themselves-from-kkk-democrats-not-the-other-way-around/
Well I would like to see what would happen if all black people started to open carry! You would be dirtying your drawers! So I guess the 2nd amendment doesn’t apply to everyone!! Typical!
LOL, You have no clue who I am and what color I am. You are so lost, it would be best if you stepped away from the computer and go outside and get some fresh air.
Back at ya big guy!!
We don’t have to know who you are – your posts prove to us your an absolute ignoramus!!!!
I would prefer open carry. Then you know who is armed. Personally, I like to carry concealed. No one knows what I have, and that does give one a slight edge.
More correctly and in Self Defense “speak” – It gives you a “Tactical Advantage”.
I ALWAYS like to have an advantage.
And this would give the police (with attack gear) an excuse to kill the Black people. Black people are not allowed to pick up a gun off a toy shelf in a store.
You just made my point! Only supreme white people can open carry! WOW! And SCOTUS says racism is dead!!
That’s funny, I know Black people who open carry firearms, and I feel much safer around them.
Sure you do!!
This is a good little video of people being saved by a gun owner’s.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EgsW2vRn1g
Point well made Dave!
The people in these violent attacks would have been robbed, could have been kill, kidnapped or violated in some other nasty way had they not been prepared.
But this is the other side of the argument for guns in the hands of law-abiding “good-guys” that the anti-gun proponents don’t seem to be concerned about because they believe that before they are violated by one of those sociopaths a cop will magically show up just in time to save them.
Oh…and the politicians have bodyguards…LOL!!!
I say those good people fail to appreciate that a failure of imagination (often referred to in reference to the CCW folks as paranoia) is more dangerous and possibly more deadly than any kind of gun when a predator has intent to have his way with your body and property. Thanks for your advocacy!
Train hard and be safe!
What hogwash!! In more than 160,000 gun related homicides committed between 2000 and 2011, less than .2% were justifiable homicides for the purposes of self defense committed by someone other than law enforcement. Only about 1,300 out of 160,000 homicides were justifiable for self-defense. This is pure idiocy!!!!!!!!!
When are you going to stop posting these MADE UP VIDEOS???
You don’t really believe that the other posters here on the NM are as clueless as you are to believe that any of this stuff is real??? Do you ???
They are true, you just don’t like to see someone actually exercising their rights to self defense. You seem like you would rather just let predators run wild, and do as they please. After all, isn’t that the liberal way? You really are clueless.
First of all: Americans DO NOT have a ‘right’ to own a gun – owning a guns IS A PRIVILEGE just like driving a car. The fact that 5 lowlifes on the SCOTUS bastardized the Constitution back in 2008 AT THE BEHEST OF AMERICA’S MOST VILE GUN CLUB – THE NRA does NOT CHANGE THAT!!
And secondly, I’m not at all against people owning a gun for self-defense, BUT!! A GUN IS ONLY A MEANS OF SELF-DEFENSE IN THE HANDS OF SOMEONE WHO IS EXPERT AT USING A GUN – LIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE.
Int the hands of less than expert users, A GUN IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ACCIDENT OR
PREMATURE DEATH WAITING TO HAPPEN!!
MORE THAN 30,000 SUICIDE AND HOMICIDE DEATHS/YR FROM GUNS AND ALMOST 200,000 GUN RELATED ACCIDENTS.
NO ONES SELF-DEFENSE NEEDS ARE JUSTIFIED BY THOSE STATISTICS – 30,000 DEATHS AND 200,000 GUN RELATED ACCIDENTS PER YEAR!!!!!!!!!
You really do need to read the constitution someday. Perhaps then, you would understand just how wrong you are. Driving is a privilege. Gun ownership is a right, as stated in the Constitution of the United States. You and your gun grabbing friends can twist and distort the constitution as much as you want, and it will still not change what is written. Guns DO prevent deaths. Guns Do prevent crime. What you say about ONLY police having firearms is pure BULL. I am better trained and know more about most firearms than 90% of law enforcement around my area. I’m also better equipped. The saying goes that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. This is a very true statement. I do not depend on anyone for my security or peace of mind. I provide all that I need. You would be wise to do the same.
And if you don’t believe my statistics, take it up with the medical department of the State of Utah – the only RED STATE by the way where Americans are projected to live to the ripe old age of 80 (80.4 years to be exact). While there are 9 BLUE STATES where people reach 80 and Older. Part of the reason being that FAR FEWER PEOPLE IN BLUE STATES OWN GUNS!!!!!!!
Here are some stats on guns you need to absorb into your feeble little mind:
in the U.S. for 2010, there were 31,513 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 19,308; Homicide 11,015; Accident 600. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, declined to 1999, and has remained relatively constant since. However, firearms injuries remain a leading cause of death in the U.S., particularly among youth (CDC, 2001) (Sherry et al, 2012).
The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The U.S. national average was 10.2 deaths per 100,000 population in 2009. The highest rate was 28.4/100,000 for African-American males, more than quadruple the rate of 6.3/100,000 for white males. (CDC, 2009)
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable–over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)
In case you’re smart enough to actually read through this article which makes it quite clear THAT OWNING A GUN IS A LIABILITY!!!! NOT A MEANS OF SELF-DEFENSE!!!!!!
I am always of any sources you use as that they are all from gun grabbing groups. I doubt you know one end of a weapon from another.
So now data on guns compiled by the medical department of a RED STATE that doesn’t happen to fit your mentally retarded sense is what it should be is from a “gun grabbing group”. Is that what the medical department of Utah is??? How crazy can YOU GET!!!
Will the family of the U.S. Border patrol agent Brian Terry ever going to get any justice for operation Fast and Furious? The government gun running cover up?
Just read an article about how the Emperor had been hiding emails referring to Fast and Furious to protect his attack dog, Holder. There is so much that this “transparent” regime is hiding, yet the liberals will be sure to shield him and his treason. Amazing they still call themselves Americans.
We are advised NOT to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics?
The sad thing is you think that we have a war on women in the republican party. I am willing to bet that every women that was ever RAPED wishes that she had a Gun in order to defend themselves from some sick creep.
Let’s take a look at our Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment;
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the PEOPLE to KEEP and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.
What does the “well regulated” part mean?
I hope this will help you.http://bearingarms.com/well-regulated/
And more right-wing biased lies and distortions!!!!!!
Get real and grow up!!!!!!
For more than 200 years, until the right-wing biased bought-out hoods of the Supreme Court bastardized the meaning – EVERY COURT IN AMERICA RECOGNIZED THE 2ND AMENDMENT AS APPLYING ONLY TO MILITIAS!!!!!!!!!!
IF YOU WEREN’T IN SOME FORM OF MILITARY – THE 2ND AMENDMENT DIDN’T APPLY TO YOU!!!!
FOR MORE THAN 200 YEARS THAT WAS THE LAW OF THE LAND!!
EVEN IN THE ‘WILD WEST’ SHERIFFS REFUSED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS IN TOWNS!!!! AND PEOPLE HAD TO HAND THEM OVER!!!!!!!!!
NO BS LIKE TODAY THAT CITIES CAN’T BAN GUNS!!!!!!!!
So, The second amendment only applies to an individual if he of she is in the military ?
You are a special kind of stupid.
That’s is why is OUR bill of rights.
You have drank far to much kool ade.
Well regulated means trained, nothing more.
No, it means well regulated…just like it says.
Try learning to comprehend what you read.
Oh, that’s right, you don’t want to.
Just because I know a liberal will not do any research or work for themselves, and that non approved sources are not permitted, let me make this simple, even for a liberal.
An excerpt from this link:
“The unorganized militia members, “the people,” had the right to keep and bear arms. They could, individually, or in concert, “well regulate” themselves; that is, they could train to shoot accurately and to learn the basics of military tactics.”
I know you have a need to twist and misconstrue meanings and facts, but this seems pretty plain.
Ah, your leaders call us the educated elite for a reason, they also call their own voters the stupid party for a reason.
That is why the person who wrote that link you provided twists itself into pretzels misconstruing meanings to make it say what you want it to say.
You honestly believe that people were supposed to just be born knowing basic military tactics and could train themselves? That is not even logical or rational.
Well regulated also meant that a clock that keeps good time Or it could mean not constipated and pooped on the regular or a dozen other things that also had nothing to do with the second amendment.
OR it could mean exactly what it said, WELL REGULATED
Stop grasping at straws.
Why are you so willing to be a sheeple? I just don’t get it how a supposedly intelligent person can be so blind. Why are you so willing to give away your rights and freedoms to a completely corrupt regime? If there are as many people of the same mind set as you seem to think, America is lost.
You are the sheeple and you are just too blind to see it. You have been bought and paid for by the corporate powers that be that keep you voting in their interest and against your own.
You are so busy trying to take away the rights of people that you see as inferior to yourself that you failed to notice that the corporati has stolen yours. They are laughing at you, laughing all the way to the bank.
I’m not paid by anyone, unlike many posters on this site. I’m also not trying to take rights away from anyone, but the liberal agenda does. I would submit that it is you who is blind and brainwashed into believing that this regime is godlike. We have never had such a lawless regime ever in the history of our country, yet you would support the policies that ARE taking away rights from Americans, and favoring those that are not from this country. WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
hahahaah you just parroted every one of the Fox Noise talking points in one post… you are such a sheeple and just too stupid to realize it.
For your information, the most lawless regime in our history was Regan’s almost all of his cabinet ended up in federal prison and Regan paid Iranians to hold American diplomats hostage, the only reason he didn’t end up in federal prison was because one of his sheeple volunteered to take the fall for him.
It is truly sad that there are so many, uneducated, clueless people like you in this country but that is your right to be.
When are you going to stop posting that right-wing biased lying lectlaw.com crap!!! No one here is going to buy their LIES AND DISTORTIONS!!!!!
You can find dozens of other sites that will say the same thing. Just because you liberals have an agenda does not change the constitution, although I know you really want to just do away with it all together.
So in otherwords, the Americans for about 230 years who UNDERSTOOD that the 2nd Amendment APPLIED ONLY TO MILITIAS were wrong, but the right-wing biased scums on SCOTUS who edicted that it applied to all Americans just 6 years ago were suddenly the ones that were right – despite any rational American who knows these scumbags came to that decision because of money that the NRA was shoving into their pockets under the table!!!.
And it goes on, and on and on…..BS
I think that all of you left wing idiots need to start wearing ID tags out in public. That way if a bad guy with a gun does anything to you people, we can keep on walking and not be bothered by you.
There is no such thing as a left wing idiot, even your own right wing leaders call liberals ‘The educated elite’
You cons are always killing our leaders, JFK, MLK, RFK, etc. conservatives are a murderous lot always blowing things up and shooting people like people who work in women’s health clinics.
The Taliban are conservative too, they hate liberals too.
James Earl Ray was a democrat.https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081204031805AAL1SAr
Liar, though I am not surprised that you would lie since the fact checking sites have reported that republicans 300% more than democrats.
Try a little harder next time.
AW! What’s the matter?
No one believes your skewed view of the world.
Independent, are saying that the leftwing is not biased only the rightwing is? if you like your Doctor you can keep your Doctor, I just found out yesterday that is not true for me. I will be loosing my plan on December 1st and be forced to get a plan that has a increase of $3000 dollars out of pocket for me to pay.
Nope actually the very definition of the word liberal means unbiased… the truth has a liberal bent.
Sorry, I’m not buying any of that BS. First of all, the reason you’re losing your current plan is because the REPUBLICANs that were in power when decisions were made decided not to accept the HHS proposal to accept the Grandmothered plan part of the ACA legislation. And if you accept that 3,000 dollar out of pocket your dumber than dumb because VA will have some of the lowest rates and best plans offered as replacements via the HHS exchanges.
You need to wake up and see this:
Policy cancellations are once again in the news this fall in Virginia, as the state is one of 15 that did not accept the HHS proposal to allow grandmothered (transitional) health plans to renew again into 2015.
People with non-grandfathered pre-2014 health plans will need to select an ACA-compliant plan to replace their old coverage, and although some have estimated the number of upcoming policy cancellations in Virginia to be 250,000, the actual number is unknown at this point.
It’s important to remember however, that these individuals are not losing coverage. They will all be eligible to select a new ACA-compliant plan, either through the exchange, or directly through a carrier. Income-based subsidiesto help pay for coverage and possibly lower enrollees’ out-of-pocket costs will be available to those who enroll through the exchange.
And see this:
Virginia’s exchange is run by HHS, with nine insurers offering a total of 105 different plans. The competition among carriers means that rates are lower than the national average: Across all ages, the average lowest cost bronze plan in 2014 is $237/month, compared with $249 nationally.
Plans in the exchange are sold by Optima Health, Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield, CoventryOne, CareFirst BlueChoice, Inc. Innovation Health Insurance Company, CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield, Kaiser Permanente, Aetna and Anthem Health Plans of Virginia.
And this bit about” eep you
I got all of the paper work yesterday and it’s all going up in price. I am being forced into a more expensive plan. Yes I live in Virginia but the Company I work for is out of Texas not sure how that changes things.
I posted you some thoughts on this post under a previous post as I had a wipe out earlier where I was disconnected.
But just to give you a flavor for how devious the insurance companies are, here’s another article with respect to why I say: Obama did not lie it was the insurance company CEOS:
But those Americans waiting for a mea culpa from either their employers or their insurers shouldn’t hold their breath. After all, while their premiums and deductibles have spiraled upwards, the percentage of nonelderly Americans covered by workplace insurance has plummeted from almost 70 percent to 54 percent just since 2001. Meanwhile, even as the evidence is growing that some carriers are cynically using the launch of the ACA to squeeze or drop less “desirable” customers, the Obama administration like the Bush White House before it has had to plead with insurers to protect their current policyholders.
That shouldn’t be too much to ask of an industry forecast by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to gain 7 million new paying customers in 2014 alone thanks to Obamacare or that had advocated its own plan for instituting an individual mandate, ending discrimination based on pre-existing conditions and subsidizing coverage for lower-income Americans. Besides, at the March 5, 2009 White House Forum on Health Care Reform, it was Karen Ignani, the president and CEO of America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), who made a very bold promise to President Obama and the American people. The top lobbyist for the nation’s health insurance companies pledged:
“We want to work with you, we want to work with the members of Congress on a bipartisan basis here. You have our commitment. We hear the American people about what’s not working. We’ve taken that very seriously. You have our commitment to play, to contribute, and to help pass health care reform this year.”
Of course, that was just a façade to cover an all-out blitz to ensure health care reform was dead on arrival. Behind the scenes Ignani took out the long knives to smother the ACA in its cradle and stab Obama in the back. That summer, the insurance industry spent $173 million and deployed 50,000 workers to kill the public option and other provisions designed to make coverage more affordable. By the time the ACA was signed into law in March 2010, AHIP alone had quietly poured over $100 million into the U.S. Chamber of Commerce campaign to defeat it. But still, they lost.
My guess is you may want to check with your employer to see how that’s going to work. Texas is a state that has done nothing about expanding Medicaid or even encouraging too many insurance companies in Texas to offer competing plans. So you may want to check on the HHS exchanges for VA to see what you could get as a good plan for your family there and compare it to whatever your employer says are your options from them. It may actually end up being cheaper for you to get a new policy via the HHS exchanges than resign up with your employer.
Whatever, don’t automatically accept what your current insurer offers you.
See this from a previous article on how devious the insurance companies can be:
In recent months, thousands of Americans have received insurance cancellation letters offering them plans with ridiculously expensive new premiums. But those who trust their insurers to offer them the most affordable, most beneficial plan available should maybe reconsider that whole trust thing. As Talking Points Memo reports on Monday, some insurers across the country are sending misleading letters to lock people into expensive plans before they can shop around on the exchanges (which will probably, possibly, maybe work by November 30). In September, Washington’s Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler told shoppers not to blindly trust the recommendations of their insurers in a consumer alert. “Don’t just take what your insurance company says, make sure you shop around. You have the right to buy any plan inside the new exchange or in the outside market,” Kreidler said.
Consumers in Kentucky were similarly misled by insurers, when Humana sent letters informing consumers they had to lock-in their old rate by September 20, nearly two weeks before Kentucky’s state exchange opened. Humana was later fined $65,000 by the state for sending “misleading” letter. “They are not giving people the ability to make an informed choice, because the information is not yet out there,” Ray Brundige, who received one of those letters, told USA Today in September. “They’re doing themselves and the community a disservice.” Yes, the same insurers who rejected sick people with pre-existing conditions to maintain profits aren’t above misleading shoppers.
Thanks for the information, it’s late I will check it out tomorrow
Have a good evening. And go all the way in checking out on the HHS exchanges; don’t forget about putting in your salary to see what can be done for you with a subsidy. I believe couples earning up to around 90,000 are eligible.
My daughter and son-in-law who should normally be paying around $1,000/month for their BC/BS plan are paying $38/mo after their subsidy. He’s a minister.
You have a good evening as well.
Dave, did you make a typo with that December 1st?? I’m not sure it’s legal for your current insurer to drop your plan before 12/31. If they’re telling you 12/1, I’d certainly check that out because any new plan you would sign up for via the HHS exchanges wouldn’t become effective until 1/1/15; so you’d end up with about 30 days of being uninsured..
All paper work I have received so far and emails say 12/01/14. Now that may just be to get ready for 1/1/15 not sure. Our branch will have a conference call next Monday to answer any questions we may have.
And my HSA account will be gone as well on December 1st.
Regulate themselves? Oh, I can see how that would work out very well.
In colonial terms, regulate=train.
Well regulated does not mean learning. It means well regulated.
“To place any dependence upon militia is assuredly resting upon a broken staff.”
“If I was called upon to declare upon
Oath, whether the Militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the
whole; I should subscribe to the latter. – George Washington, September 1776” *****Notice the date, 1776… the same year that the Articles of Confederation were drafted****
In the beginning the Militia were an unruly mob that were more hindrance than help , even General Washington said so …so they had to be regulated, disciplined and governed.
Articles of confederation
“To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
(((((((To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States,))))))) reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress.
The meaning of the words nor the intent change between when the Articles of Confederation was written in 1776 and when the Constitution was written in 1789.
So there is the real intent, written in plain English ….WELL REGULATED MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS!
It means that any able-bodied male, over the age of 16, was required to maintain their weapons, and supplies, to keep them in good working order. It also means that each would train, as in being able to hit what they were shooting at. It has NOTHING to do with the military in any way.
Just more right-wing biased HOGWASH and YOU KNOW IT!! EVERY BIT OF IT IS A DISTORTION OF THE TRUTH!!!!!!!
For more than 200 years, until the right-wing biased bought-out hoods of the Supreme Court bastardized the meaning – EVERY COURT IN AMERICA RECOGNIZED THE 2ND AMENDMENT AS APPLYING ONLY TO MILITIAS!!!!!!!!!!
EVEN IN THE ‘WILD WEST’ SHERIFFS REFUSED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO CARRY GUNS IN TOWNS!!!! AND PEOPLE HAD TO HAND THEM OVER!!!!!!!!!
I guess you are also a constitutional scholar like your messiah? Nothing is distorted. It is very clear.
Independent, doesn’t like the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, just like his king obama doesn’t like them.
It’s got nothing to do with not liking it, it’s all about INTERPRETING IT CORRECTLY WHICH YOU ARE NOT DOING!!!
Or it could be you are COMPLETELY wrong, as usual.
Remember the “He Who Knows?” You are arguing with “He who knows not, and knows not he knows not, is a fool, shun him.”
Unfortunately, 30,000 people dying and 200,000 others needing hospital care each year is too big an issue to not respond to, and therefore let even the dumber than the dumb get away with posting lies and videos that may convince even one more unsuspecting person into buying the lie that a gun will protect them; when the reality is that buying a gun and bringing it into a home is just setting them up for that gun to end up killing them, someone in their family or someone visiting their house. And the probability of that happening is almost 5 times greater in a home with a gun than in a home which does not contain a gun.
1.2 Million Babies are KILLED every year from Abortions, and you say that we have a gun problem in America. We have a problem with personal responsibility.
First of all, the vast majority of aborted fetuses look nothing like babies – that’s a figment of your imagination. Secondly, they are part of a woman’s body WHO HAS THE RIGHT to determine if she wants to carry that fetus to term (IT’S NONE OF YOUR NOR MY BUSINESS). Third, the GOP is making the statistic you quoted worse by blocking women in getting contraceptives that would prevent the pregnancies in the 1st place. Fourth, the GOP is also blocking millions of women from getting guidance on abortions from Planned Parenthood which tries to make women contemplating abortion really think about getting one. And 5th, the GOP is making the abortion abortion situation worse by making them illegal, because studies have shown that where abortions are illegal – THERE ARE ACTUALLY MORE OF THEM!!!
If you payoff the right judge he will say anything,and a fetus is a living and breathing person.
You are still an idiot.
If you pay off the right judge, he will put innocent people in corporate owned for-profit prisons so that your corporate overlords can use them as slave labor and that is REAL people, not potential people. Several of those judges have been caught doing it already but there are lots who have not been caught yet.
What are you going to do when you get snatched off the street for no reason and sent to prison to sew blue jeans or gut chickens for a huge corporation? Or what if it happens to your family members?
You are worrying about things that you have no say in while the puppet masters that pull your strings make plans to make you fodder in their never ending quest for profit.
No babies were killed except the ones who were born unwanted and those were tortured and starved and murdered and thrown in dumpsters because you made it to hard to get rid of a few cells. People do not abuse children that they wanted so you are responsible for every abused child born because you would not mind your own business.
It’s someone else’s fault. Typical liberal.
A republican refusing to take responsibility for the harm he causes..typical bagger.
Kenndeb, by chance did you happen to go over to the Gabby Gifford’s article on the National Memo? If you haven’t go over and see some of the posted comments. it’s sad how bad it is, they don’t know what they are taking about at all.
Especially when it has anything to do with firearms or the second amendment. They spout the regimes take on d be disarmed and all firearms confiscated. They have no clue what would happen to this country if that were to happen.
One of the things that I was trying to get bobnstuff to figure out was that he didn’t know the difference between a Full auto and a semiautomatic firearm.
Most liberals seem to think if it black and , what they consider, scary looking, it has to be a full auto killing machine. I have pointed out before to them that there are provisions for owing a full auto, but it requires a class III permit.
so true, I am back over on the Gabby story shaking my head at bobnstuff about his reply to you.
One more thing on this thread here scroll up to Independents last post that starts off with Absolutely he totally contradicts himself on who should own a firearm.
Yep. I thought about picking up a Thompson, but full autos cost so much to shoot.
And if you didn’t believe that article from the Washington Post, here’s some excerpts from another on the same subject from the Huffington Post:
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?
Guns were obviously widespread on the frontier. Out in the untamed wilderness, you needed a gun to be safe from bandits, natives, and wildlife. In the cities and towns of the West, however, the law often prohibited people from toting their guns around. A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, “Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check.”
A check? That’s right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you’d check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
In my new book, Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, there’s a photograph taken in Dodge City in 1879. Everything looks exactly as you’d imagine: wide, dusty road; clapboard and brick buildings; horse ties in front of the saloon. Yet right in the middle of the street is something you’d never expect. There’s a huge wooden billboard announcing, “The Carrying of Firearms Strictly Prohibited.”
AND STILL MORE BS
Very true. He also likes everything in absolutes, and tends to only see what fits into the liberal narrative. Really sad that someone that seems somewhat intelligent is so unwilling to see what is right in front of his face just because he is told by his handlers to only believe what the regime tells him to believe. SHEEPLE ALL.
I would like to see Independent and all of the others who think that way put up a gun free sign in their front yard.
Yeah, kind of like the Westchester paper did with those that were pistol permit They published all the names and addresses of anyone in Westchester that held a permit. Now, in order to keep that from happening in other NY counties, permit holders have to send in a form stating that you DO NOT want your name released.
That list that they published had women on it that were hiding from crazy ex husbands.
Many BAD things happened after that major invasion of privacy. Of course, because it was gun owners that were targeted, it is just fine with the liberals.
Oh you mean like when you people post the lists of people seen going into an abortion clinic? People got murdered and that is just fine with fundies and baggers.
Why, so you could go kill them?
Nope, I am not a liberal.
Ted Kennedy’s car killed more people then any of my firearms.
Hahaha you are projecting, you are the one who sees things an absolutes and I can prove it. Even the definition of the word conservative means close minded and narrow minded and only sees things in black and white while the definition of the word liberal means open minded, inclusive of many different ideals.
con•serv•a•tism (kənˈsɜr vəˌtɪz əm)
1. the disposition to preserve or restore what is established or traditional and to limit change.
2. the principles and practices of political conservatives.
cautious, moderate, tending to preserve the status quo
Synonyms for the word conservative.
in a rut
right of center
I copied that straight out of the dictionary so the word star was behind each word.
Your copy and paste needs some practice. We can always define liberals as lying, deceitful, dishonest, and dishonorable. All seem to be synomomous with liberal, especially with the role model of the emperor now.
Yes, you could define liberals as that but only if you are lying, deceitful, dishonest, and dishonorable.
You having a melt down because words have actual definitions is hilarious!!!
I guess you never heard of a dictionary before?
Or are you going to try to claim that dictionaries are liberal too? Hahahahaha!
Whaa whaa whaa crying about a constitution that YOUR republican leaders have tried to repeal every single amendment to except the second. They have already repealed child labor laws and workplace safety laws and even made murder legal in 2 states, real murder of real live human beings and not a glob of cells.
You think black people don’t have a right to vote or that women do not have a right to be paid a fair wage? Because that is what your leaders are up to. Do you really hate gay people? Or does your republican leaders just use that to keep you fighting your neighbors so that you won’t notice that the republicans are stealing your right to drink clean water and breathe fresh air?
Don’t you know right from wrong?
None of us thing Obama is king, he is not even a particularly good president but at least he is not as horrible as all the republicans who have ever held office in the last 50 years.
Grow the hell up and stop being so gullible.
I think you need another trip on the Starship Enterprise.
Is that avatar distracting you? Can’t you focus on anything real? I thought not, you have the personal discipline of a chipmunk.
I don’t need to be a consitutional scholar, I need just to have one ounce of common sense and stop listening to the liars like the NRA that spew lies and distortions 24/7 just so they can entice poor unsuspecting Americans into joining Americas worst organization beside the GOP, THE NRA!!!!!
From the Washington Post:
Rick Santorum’s misguided view of gun control in the Wild West
The 1881 gunfight in Tombstone, Ariz., was actually sparked by an effort to enforce the town’s Ordinance No. 9: “It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.”
That’s right, City Marshal Virgil Earp and his brother Wyatt were attempting to enforce a gun-control law that cowboys were evading — a law that was rather common in the West, according to historians.
“Carrying of guns within the city limits of a frontier town was generally prohibited. Laws barring people from carrying weapons were commonplace, from Dodge City to Tombstone,” said Adam Winkler, a professor at UCLA’s School of Law and author of Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America. “When Dodge City residents first formed their municipal government, one of the very first laws enacted was a ban on concealed carry. The ban was soon after expanded to open carry, too. The Hollywood image of the gunslinger marching through town with two Colts on his hips is just that — a Hollywood image, created for its dramatic effect.”
Even Americans in the late 1800s understood that THEY DID NOT HAVE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY GUNS ANY TIME AND ANY WHERE THEY WANTED!!!!!!!!
And if you don’t believe that article from the Washington Post, here’s an excerpt from another from the Huffington Post:
In my new book, Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, there’s a photograph taken in Dodge City in 1879. Everything looks exactly as you’d imagine: wide, dusty road; clapboard and brick buildings; horse ties in front of the saloon. Yet right in the middle of the street is something you’d never expect. There’s ahuge wooden billboard announcing, “The Carrying of Firearms Strictly Prohibited.”
BS BS BS
Really, well, explain to me then why as late as the late 1800s that in the supposed “wild west’, sheriffs routinely banned guns because Americans then understood THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO CARRY THEM ANYWHERE THEY WANTED!!!
ONLY a VERY FEW cities did that. You deal only in absolutes. Nothing in life is ABSOLUTE.
So wrong and so blind. If you would take off your government issued blinders, you might become a functional human.
We went through this whole wild west thing before, and you were wrong then, and you are still wrong. A few LARGE cities, had restrictions. Most DID NOT. The second amendment has nothing to do with the military ONLY. It an unalienable RIGHT to defend yourself. It does not have to be spelled out in a document, these are things that are GOD GIVEN.
The Second Amendment: The Framers’ Intentions
The Second Amendment: The Framers’ Intentions
The ‘Well Regulated’ Militia of the Second Amendment: An Examination of the Framers’ Intentions – from the ‘Lectric Law Library’s stacks View on http://www.lectlaw.com Preview by Yahoo
Exactly!!! You are not in any way a member of a well regulated militia!!! Unless you are in the military, it does not apply to you!!
According to the FBI on January 3, 2013 more people are killed with fists and hammers than Rifles and Shotguns.http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/21/FBI-More-People-Killed-With-Fists-And-Hammers-Than-With-Rifles-And-Shotguns
You didn’t mention handguns, why not?
This is why good people should be armed.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RoAfflGCM
You cannot accept the truth.
Why no blood in this one? There should be a good deal of BLOOD on child, uncle Sam and the steps.
Danziger dropped the ball, big time, here.
Blah Blah Blah The other side is how many people are killed by guns in the home and accidental shootings? As for the 2nd Amendment, why is the militia part suddenly dropped? No state now needs a militia of armed citizens now as we no longer live on the wild frontier. We have police and a standing army. Of course nothing will change and the NRA will merrily keep rolling along with their sheep. I also find it interesting that LaPierre when he was a young man made sure he had that 2S deferment. Now he is the great protector of our 2nd Amendment rights. But go ahead and carry your guns in public. Just know this, that I will refuse to patronize any business that allows you to carry your guns inside. Maybe if a few of you had to hold someone while they breathed their last or saw what guns did to humans, you might not be so ready to carry your guns around. I did as a marine in Vietnam and I wont ever have a gun in my house for protection. Oh and when you respond, don’t bother to thank me for my service. That little cliché has gotten a bit monotonous.
I respect what guns have come to mean to you as for the experiences you’ve had with the results of their use. But, what a most profound irony that you don’t acknowledge that humans have employed guns for good and bad.
In the situations that were deemed bad it was used against bad HUMANS who used their guns to manifest their bad ends and they had to be stopped.
I presume you once thought this way.
Why else were you a Marine?
You did see a foreign enemy that compelled you to put your life in peril. You were motivated by love of country and the American way…our heritage and so forth…yes??
We are free in America because of our guns! We are safe in America because of guns! If for no other reason than to defend against bad people with guns.
If the police didn’t have guns…or let me go one better…if there were no police then perhaps some would see the real evil of humans more frequently than they see the gun as a tool of utter misfortune, death and destruction of things we don’t intend to destroy. And this is media mind phucking by the way!
What is your position on self defense? If you had to save your loved one by turning off the threat I know you’d do it.
But then how would you do it? You could hide…You could hope for the best…maybe he’ll come to his senses if I plead hard enough (that doesn’t sound like an option for an ex-Marine)…wait for the police…or fight.
My guns are for sport and to defend my home…I’d fight…I might lose but I like my chances
What an irony!!!
I don’t think the guns are the problem. I think the fear that drives everyone to make a fetish out of them is the problem. The think those belligerent people who show up with assault rifles strapped to their backs, everywhere, are bullies and they need the gang mentality of a culture that stands behind them. They aren’t join ing the service because, either their I.Q. rules it out or they surely don’t want to be in a situation where someone might shoot back.
Did you see those RATS run in the videos Dave put up! CC is what should be on the mind of those RATS that use guns to intimidate good people.
Those radical 2A activists aren’t winning the hearts and minds of the people on the fence about self defense carry.
They hurt the reasonable 2A folks and technically, they give away their tactical advantage.
Also, in the right kind of community open carry of long guns and pistols isn’t a problem.
I live in an urban community and the last thing I want to do is frighten people “and” give Jack shithead a target.
If I’m so unfortunate as to walk in on the scene of a crime if I’m concealed I can decide if I want to fight: if I’m carrying open then Jack Shithead gets to call it and that is a situation NOBODY wants
I like being able to assess and act on the basis of my “reasonable” evaluation! Open carry blunts that option.
Those of us who are responsible/trained gun owners dont stand behind them ie “Open Carry” in public.
Every time they pull this crap of going “Open Carry” either rifle OR pistol, we cringe and wonder WTF are they thinking.
Its wrong on so many levels.
And possibly even more upsetting to us than you.
Clearly they are not well trained or even sensible or they would know not to do that.
These people are not the norm.
Actually a very tiny fraction of the millions of gun owners.
The vast majority of which are “responsible” owners.
But you use it to criticize/characterize most all gun owners. How convenient for your agenda.
You will never see our gun. And it is the last thing we will ever show and then it will only be if someone is attacking us.
However, If they are attacking “you”, I might not even “pull” it then. Since some “in here” have shown me(threatened) that even if I did save “their life” I could still expect a law suit.
Thats why I like this site – I never would have even imagined that. So I have learned.
Since I am not a LEO, I do not have a “duty” to protect “you”.
So mine is for “Self” Defense only.
Although I “have” (on occasion) saved “several” others from certain harm buy pulling my gun.
So, Guns CAN be used/useful for “good reasons”.
I wont go into it all but I am very highly trained, certified, insured etc
A hint – I am a competition shooter(combat pistol) and on a volunteer basis – I help train police to shoot.
Don’t internalize what I said. I have guns. I was taught gun safety when I was strong enough to hold up a 22. I am talking about the belligerent guns nuts. Case in point. At the Tucson Shooting: Someone called me and said there was a shooting. I turned on the television set. They were at the scene. It was a madhouse. The ambulances hadn’t even picked anyone up yet. A reporter was interviewing a witness. He told her, her was in Walgreens when he heard the shots and took the safety off his pistol and ran outside. He saw a man with a gun and took aim. Someone knocked his arm down and said, “That is not the shooter, that is the man who took the gun away from the shooter.” An unarmed senior citizen took the gun from the shooter and nearly paid for it with his life. Being close to law enforcement, you know how well trained they have to be and even then they make mistakes.
Hard enough trying to correct the anit-gun nut jobs – now we have to correct the pro-gun “nut jobs”(fortunately there are far fewer of them) – still its a challenge.
ps I think the Giffords shooter was Jared Loughner?
I saw a report that he also was on or coming off a psychotropic drug like all the school shooters.
I have researched the data and ALL the school shooters were on psytropic drugs(antidepressants).
Do you have any further info on this?
Not to mention the record rate of Veteran suicides due to – you guessed it- psychotropic drugs/antidepressnats. exa – The last Ft Hood shooter was a Vet “prescribed” anti-depressants for PTSD. Like so many others who have committed suicide.
Lets all go back to swords, spears and clubs. Up close where you can see their eyes go blank and hear their last breath and don’t forget the blood. That is if you prevail.
So you think Americans are free because of their guns??? So somehow Americans are freer than folks in Britain where there are no guns? In what way?
People in Britain can’t own guns and the police carry them very infrequently, yet this year, 4 people have been killed by the police; and in 2012 when 8996 Americans were killed by a gun, only 58 people were killed in Britain. Now admittedly, Britain only has about 1/5 the U.S. population, so if we extrapolate, that would make about 290 people being killed compared to 8,996. So you think over 8,500 people dying each year needlessly justifies the idiocy of so many people owning guns??
Fact is, of 160,000 gun related homicides committed between 2,000 and 2011, only 1,300 or so were justifiable homicides for the reasons of self-defense. And most of those 160,000 people who died in those years live in states where more than 45% of their populations owned a gun. Which makes it pretty clear, that a large portion of those 160,000 people who died, were gun owners, who either couldn’t get to their gun in time to keep someone else from killing them, or they were killed by someone they knew and never expected to need that gun they bought thinking it would “protect them”.
Fact is that owning a gun IS FAR MORE OF A LIABILITY than it WILL EVER be a means of self-protection. Owning a gun in a home simply increases the risk by almost 5 times that someone will be killed by a gun in that home; and quite often by the gun owned by that home.
I may somewhat agree that over the past couple hundred years guns have played a role in creating the freedom we enjoy today. But owning a gun today, has nothing to do with anyone’s “freedom”; it has everything to do with putting the gun owner into the bondage of drastically increased probability that they will die a premature death because of the fact that they actually own a gun.
Virtually every state with a high gun related homicide rate is also a state with very high gun ownership. Just presence of guns heightens the probability of people dying. One of the reasons America is about 50th in the world in longevity today, is because although there is not much greater violence in American than there is in other countries – when violence occurs in America, far more often than in other countries on the planet, someone ends up dead because there was gun involved in the violence; whereas in most other countries, people just end up in the hospital from a beating and are still alive.
Apples and oranges, and very skewed data.
My claim was made from a historical perspective. We could not have won the American Revolutionary War without guns. Blacks might still be enslaved in the South without Civil War guns. Hitler might have changed the world as we know it without WWII guns. And while these are not civilian guns the events justify guns and the relationship to our freedom is clear.
As for civilian guns, there is too much evidence that guns are necessary for home and self defense and desirable for hunting and sports shooting.
The problem with this interminable argument is that people who don’t like guns or Hoplophobic (the fear of guns and those who possess them) their fear defeats their rationality so they can’t see how ANYBODY can be safe or protected with a gun.
I can ‘t do anything about that and I don’t care if I don’t convince ANYBODY that a human being can handle a gun without shooting his loved ones our himself by negligence.
Yes…guns are “potentially” dangerous but so are a lot of other things.
Darn it…I have to do a better job resisting weighing in on these fruitless debates about guns…LOL!!!
Britains should be allowed to have guns?? For what?? Without them, homicide and crime rates are a fraction of what they are in America – and that’s even after adjusting for the difference in populations. 290 people killed/yr in Britain vs almost 9,000 in the U.S.!!! Why would anyone WISH guns on a country that doesn’t have them, and experiences not only a homicide rate that’s a small fraction of what it is here, but also an average longevity of its citizens that are years longer than here??
And that’s even true of Red States vs Blue State. Red states which BY FAR have higher gun ownership percentages also lead the nation BY FAR in homicides and live spans that are as much as SIX YEARS SHORTER THAN IN BLUE STATES!!
It’s delusionists such as yourself and the trolls on this website that need to wake up. You need to spend some time reading this article on gun deaths and accidents compiled by the Red State of Utah to understand that GUNS DO NOT PROTECT THE AVERAGE PERSON – THEY END UP GETTING THEM SHOT AND KILLED 4.46 TIMES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WHO DO NOT OWN/CARRY A GUN.
Here’s an excerpt from the Utah article which shows where I got the 4.46 times figure and the excerpt closes by saying:
“It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families.”
THAT’S THE REALITY AND PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF NEED TO WAKE UP TO REALITY!!!
The issue of “home defense” or protection against intruders or assailants may well be misrepresented. A study of 626 shootings in or around a residence in three U.S. cities revealed that, for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998). Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987). In another study, regardless of storage practice, type of gun, or number of firearms in the home, having a gun in the home was associated with an increased risk of firearm homicide and suicide in the home (Dahlberg, Ikeda and Kresnow, 2004). Persons who own a gun and who engage in abuse of intimate partners such as a spouse are more likely to use a gun to threaten their intimate partner. (Rothman et al, 2005). Individuals in possession of a gun at the time of an assault are 4.46 times more likely to be shot in the assault than persons not in possession (Branas et al, 2009). It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families.
The stats and anecdotes are insufficient for changing my mind just as the counter arguments I make are insufficient for influencing yours. The reason this is so is because my relationship to my gun is personal and your opinions about guns you don’t own is personal. The right I choose to exercise is a personal choice and you have the same right but chose not to exercise it because you don’t trust yourself with a firearm and that’s fine. I hope you never find yourself in a situation whereby you’d need a gun to protect yourself or your family because you like so many others are deciding NOW to leave the defense of your home, family and life up to someone else. Guns have been in my family for as many generations as I can count and NOBODY has killed a loved one or accidentally shot themselves or anybody else. That is my confidence that it is possible to have a gun and use it safely. Perhaps there are too many guns in America…maybe so but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t have one. Mine aren’t for robbing and killing but they are at the ready for that unfortunate occasion should it happen that I have to stop a DVP (determined violent predator)
Absolutely! And I’m in no way suggesting or against individuals such as yourself, who have grown up in families with a history of responsibly using guns, not owning them.
What I’m a rampaging about on the NM at this point,is about a nefarious gun club called the NRA that consistently goes around grossly misleading millions of Americans into buying a gun with grossly misleading statistics about just how successfully gun owners actually end up being able to use a gun to self protect themselves.
In the NRA’s constant propaganda they throw out numbers that are grossly overstated. I know you’re convinced guns are a great self-protector, and for you that may be true – but for millions of Americans it clearly isn’t – otherwise there wouldn’t be 200,000 accidents each year and there would be a whole lot more than around 300 homicides each year that can actually be justified as a homicide for the purpose of self-protection. And that’s 300 homicides out of more than 10,000 homicides committed by guns each year. Only about .2-.3 percent of homicides end up as actually being justifiable for self-protection. That’s a pretty sad record for something that the NRA spews glowing accolades about being hundreds of times more than reality.
From my perspective, the NRA is clearly responsible for thousands of deaths every year because of its grossly misleading accolades about the advantages of owning a gun. The NRA clearly avoids mentioning any of the numerous downsides of owning a gun for Americans who in buying a gun are not also willing to do what it takes to really learn how to store, handle and use one responsibly.
I am aware of my appreciation that you took a close and rational read and understanding of my last comment. That makes this exchange fruitful.
Given my experience and family heritage with guns for sport and self defense, I have to mention that the safety training function of the NRA is absolutely indispensable.
I was trained and sponsored by an NRA certified instructor who is a retired military officer and SWAT patrol captain and trainer–and I might add a good human being.
It is reasonable to note that the NRA has historically published and maintained the highest safety standards possible for responsible gun uses and gun ownership.
The NRA has always been conservatively oriented but their politic has become a taint as of late with the likes certain unnamed politicians being provided a platform to spew hostile agendas.
I don’t expect to find much agreement with this opinion of mine but I think the greatest problem with the NRA’s reputation is not the promotion of gun use and ownership but their advocacy of certain politics and their support of certain unnamed politicians.
If the NRA had a more balanced approach across the political spectrum or BETTER just stayed out of politics and stuck to education for gun safety and sponsored programs to better our most vulnerable communities, then I could be a member.
But when they relax their boundaries and fund political campaigns that divide Americans, I just can’t abide in that.
For me the NRA is a mixed bag and a mark of intelligence is to see both the good and bad in all things.
Thanks for your effort Independent.
You still like to used skewed liberal gun grabber data for your very erroneous comments.
Wait!! Wait!! The data I’m using was produced by the best Red State in the nation – Utah!! How can that be “liberal gun grabber data”??? You’re so screwed up you don’t even know which way is up!!!
Utah! The Mormon state. If you read it its got to be true.
From the only RED STATE
You forgot to mention most of the shooting deaths were young African Americans. I don’t begrudge them their accomplishments, that’s what they are good at. You should go hang out with them and spew your drivel at them. It will give you an insight to how ballistics work.
Another excerpt from the same article:
Facts on life expectancy in the U.S.:
-Finally, all 15 of the states with the lowest life
expectancy in the U.S. are GOP-RUN STATES?? Such that there is a large disparity in longevity between Red States and Blue States: on average,
residents of blue states live 2 years longer than residents of red states. To the extreme, the Blue State residents of 9 states with longevity projected to 80 and older, live as much as 5-6 years longer than the residents of the 4 shortest-lived GOP-RUN STATES of MS,WV,AL & LA. Follow this: starting with longevity projections for red states of 75 in: Miss., W. Va., Ala. & LA.; to 76 in: Arkansas, Kentucky & Tennessee to 77 in: S. Carolina, Georgia, Missouri, Indiana, Ohio & N. Carolina; while no Blue State has a longevity projection
of less than 78, and many Blue states have longevity projected to 80 and over: N.J., N.H., Vermont, N.Y., Mass., Calif., CT, Minn. & Hawaii; Only one red state has longevity projected to 80 Utah (80.2), while 2 Blue States have longevity projections of over 81 –Minn. & Hawaii)
If you want to increase longevity stop smoking, drinking booze, driving cars and stuffing your face. If you are anti self defense don’t own a gun. Go read the FBI reports. I don’t care what you say or think. I will never again let someone attempt to kill or hurt me. Stop with the red-blue nonsense. All states have large populations of liberals, conservatives and “others”. You are so self absorbed in reciting stats that you have no idea what the big picture is or how all this trivia you spew fits into the scheme of life.
And just one more example of your tunnel vision!! Refuse to accept what staring you right in the face: GOP Governance leads to shorter life spans!! Sorry nincompoop but that’s proven by the FACTS!!
ALL 10 STATES IN AMERICA WITH LIFE EXPECTANCY LESS T HAN 78 ARE RUN BY THE GOP!!! STOP BEING BLIND!!!!!!!!
9 OF THE 10 STATES WITH LIFE EXPECTANCIES OF 80 AND OVER ARE DEMOCRAT RUN STATES.
WAKE UP TO REALITY!!!
When are you going to stop living in DENIAL???
Just what did you as a tunnelvision conservative believe was going to happen after years of cutting budgets and throwing people into poverty?? 20 of the 24 states with the highest percentage of their residents living below the poverty level are Red States.
While GOP governance has been feeding all that money to the already wealthy and cutting state budgets that have thrown millions of red state residents into unemployment and then poverty, what have you expected that this would lead to??
GOP constant budget cutting has led to most red states having poor police and fire protection; not only leading to more deaths from violence but from more deaths from fires than in many other states.
And GOP constant budget cutting has led to reduced medical services for the many who don’t have insurance because they earn too little in these states with right-to-work laws and because the GOP has refused to expand Medicaid.
So not only do more people die prematurely in red states because they lack the health care they need to live longer lives, RED STATES also lead the nation BY FAR in infant mortality. So not only do people live shorter lives in Red States, many woman give births to already dead babies, or babies who die before their 1st birthdays.
Red states by far lead the nation in violence. The top 5 violent states in America are all red states. Leading to more red state residents dying premature deaths because of their increased violence. All 10 states in America with the highest gun related homicide rates are red states.
When are clueless conservatives such as yourself going to wake up to the absolute disaster that is GOP governance???
I am not a conservative I am an Anarchist. I do not believe in government. I believe he who shoots first lives the longest.
Your data are inaccurate. Six of the red states you claim as having low longevity were recently BLUE states. I guess the voters got the message. If they want to have a better life, look towards RED. Go Republicans!
Sorry pal, but you’d better look at a map of red vs blue states. None of the states I mentioned are shown as blue states in any red state/blue state map. Just because they may have had a Dem governor DOES NOT make them a blue state. Just like the fact that at the moment, Connecticut has a Republican governor but it is FAR FROM BEING A RED STATE!! And the same goes for Mass!!!!
So, how do you decide which states are blue or red? Many states have a mix of the governor and senate of different parties. Dealer’s choice?
Care to share your absolutely irrefutable data sources? “Utah” isn’t very helpful. Most all studies relating to crime and death are based on data from the FBI or CDC, not the rainbow.
In your case reading and writing were the worst thing that ever happened to the human race.
Wrong again DH.
Have you ever been beaten bloody? You are so wrong that all I have to say to you is GFY.
FBI data clearly shows that the homicide rate is 2 to 3 times higher in the big cities: Populations over 100,000. You stated: ” And most of those 160,000 people who died in those years live in states where more than 45% of their populations owned a gun. ” That is a flat out lie. Further, when trying to compare U.S. stats to other countries, one must remember that the numbers are only the recorded deaths. Very few countries, especially third world, are as fastidious as the U.S. in accurately recording crime. Data sources: Federal government.
City statistics mean nothing with respect to judging how political administrations govern our states. They’re a reflection on how mayors govern their cities; mayors who can be of whatever political party.
Fact is, that the states that have high gun ownership by and large, have the highest rates of gun related homicide – study upon study has proven that to be true.
Here’s a list of the 17 states with the highest rates of gun related homicide in a compilation of numbers from 2007 through 2012:
13 of the 17 states with the highest average rates of homicide over the past 5 years are GOP-RUN STATES. With Louisiana being by far the murder capital of America followed by Mississippi, New Mexico, Maryland, South Carolina, Alabama, Arizona, Michigan, Missouri, Tennessee, Georgia, Illinois, Arkansas, Oklahoma, N. Carolina, Nevada and Florida.
So how are you deciding which states are GOP or DNC run? You clearly pointed out in another post that the political party of the governor is not the criterium. It looks like you are massaging the data to fit your pet beliefs. Your top 20 doesn’t look like the FBI top 20. Guess whose data I’m believing?
And here’s a list of the states with the highest gun ownership. Compare that list to the list of the highest homicide rates in 2012:
14 of the 15 states with the highest rates of gun ownership are GOP-RUN
Dang, Indie, get some new glasses. MT, WV, AR, KY had Democrat governors in 2012. Of the 15 states you cited with the highest gun ownership, only FOUR of them are in the top 15 for homicide rate according to the FBI. Homicide rates have declined by almost half since 1992. So, more guns aren’t the problem. Personal bias would be my guess.
And keep this in mind too: There were 58 gun-related homicides in England in 2012 where hand guns are illegal compared to 8,996 in the U.S. Now England has about 1/5 the population of America, so if we extrapolate that 58 to 290 assuming the same average homicide rate; that would compare 290 gun related homicides/yr in England to 8.996 in America.
What it verifies is exactly what numerous studies have shown – easy access to guns leads directly to more gun-related homicides, in fact, any homicide because what may have been a violent confrontation where one or both people may have ended up in the hospital – turns into a violent confrontation in the U.S. where one or both end up in the morgue.
And this is just one of the reason why the U.S. is now 50th in the world in longevity – although violence in the U.S. is no different than anywhere else, when people get violent in the U.S., someone often ends up dead (as has really been proven recently), while in foreign countries they end up in the hospital but still alive.
Does that mean you’ll be moving to Britain since it is so much safer? Oh, oops, they don’t allow open immigration of illegals.
Have you ever been the victim of being shot during an armed robbery? I have. I listened to to them pronounce me DOA. GFY.
What a load of Bovine Excrement.
How about you place the blame where it belongs.This kid needed to protect himself from bullying and no one else would. Where were the teachers and school officials that allowed the bullying to reach the point of shooting.
The teachers are not there to raise someone else’s kids. The parents should be responsible for their own kids. Unfortunately, many parents think that the school system is there to raise their kids.
For once I totally agree with you!!
Maybe even you are starting to wake up? NAH.
I will go along with that.
Why aren’t parents being held responsible for their children’s behavior? If their child wants to play with a toy gun, baseball bat, or car, don’t you think that some parenting would be appropriate? All these are potentially life threatening when misused. Why would a parent, in today’s political arena, especially blacks, let their little darlin’ out lose in public with a gun, real or fake? Don’t all blacks think cops are targeting them, anyway? Parents have to teach their kids about reality, unpleasant or unfair as it is.
The NRA advocates have some good points, but they ignore the nature of the “gun control” laws which they have blocked: the intent is not to outlaw ALL people from carrying guns, but to make people responsible BEFORE buying the gun by making it more difficult for “good” people with mental illness who are apt to BECOME “bad” on the spur of the moment, or who are not responsible enough to protect their guns and ammunition from being stolen by bad people or “explored” by small children. Anyone can buy a car, but driving one requires two things to protect the public safety: legal assurance that the person driving it has the skills, knowledge of safety laws, and has not demonstrated past failure to drive safely (e.g. DUI or reckless driving convictions); and registration of the vehicle to allow its movements to be traced. Make that three things. The third is INSURANCE against liability for causing damage to others if the driver causes an accident carelessly OR maliciously.
The NRA advocates are opposed EVEN to the firearm equivalent of the driving and traffic laws we have for automobiles! When they stop fighting even these minimal restrictions (background check before buying, EVEN in a private sale; cooling off period so guns are not bought and used in anger; mandatory training in gun safety before issuing a permit, with legal protection against “unreasonably withholding” the permit; and LIABILITY INSURANCE in case the gun is stolen, picked up by an innocent child, thereby causing a tragedy, or used in a moment of “insanity” by the legal owner (such as a domestic argument gone bad, or shooting a visitor mistaken for an intruder)), THEN the “gun control” movement would almost completely disappear.
I and even most NRA advocates are all for Background checks.
And “I” am certainly for requiring more training “before” you are allowed to own a gun even much more intense than for a car.
I think ultimately the NRA would also agree more training should be required – they do after-all have all the training programs.
And this bears some consideration.
What the NRA is saying is that this(Background Checks) will NOT have the impact we all want – ie keeping guns out of the hands of people who should not have them.
1 – The current system catchs a few but Most criminals dont do background checks. They steal guns or buy from the black mkt.
And NOT from Gun Shows – as many think.
That is what the data says.
2 – Due to privacy issues you cannot screen for the mentally ill. This “I” think needs to change.
I sympathize with the “right to privacy” here but feel in this case For the Safety of the populace as a whole(ie The Greater Good) we need to make an exception here.
For me – we need to know, specifically, who is being treated with psychotropic drugs and ban them(from purchase/etc until they can be certified as “no longer a danger”. Plus the other mentally unstable.
Seems this could be done without giving out this information publicly. ie this information aviliable only to the “background checking authorities” and not released openly.
Even better – If you are on psychotropic drugs you should be “sequestered”(somehow) until you can be reasonably deemed not a threat.
This would help “a lot” with the “School” shootings.
As for the gang problem – thats another issue and solution.
As a member of the NRA, I agree that we need more training for firearms owners. We have to many good people who just don’t know good firearm safety. I would like to see come with that training is a national Concealed carry permit, good for all states.
People need even more training on the laws of self defense. They don’t fully understand the legal and financial consequences of the firing pin hitting the primer.
So true my friend, I would like to see training in our High Schools and in our local communities, and in or homes. With the laws different in each state it makes difficult for someone who concealed carries in sates other then their home state.
In my state hunting is a big sport and how many people supplement their diet. Not to mention thinning out the over population of deer. Shooting clubs are proliferating in the schools and rightly so. Just like another very common, but deadly weapon–the automobile–teaching the kids early on how to use properly will lead to less harm.
Hunting is a huge sport that brings in a lot of tax dollars for the states. The first Monday after Thanksgiving (tomorrow) over one million hunters will be getting up very early to head into the woods, to put food on the table for their families in Pennsylvania .
The car insurance companies should give some type of incentive to the Hunters for thinning out the population.
The automobile along with drugs and alcohol have killed far more people then any responsible gun owner has.
I would like too see all of the high Schools across America have the opportunity to teach firearm safety to all of the kids, if the Parents don’t want their kids to take the class they can opt out of the class.
In 2013 we had over 21,093,273 background checks for new firearm purchases in America. We don’t have a gun problem, we have a lack of teaching safety and responsibility for ones actions.
Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people then any of my firearms have.
………….Have a BLESS DAY…My Friend……………
Defender… I see that you are a firearms instructor. Are you a member of US Concealed carry association?
Yes I am a USCCA Member and carry some liability insurance with them. I am NRA & State Certified Instr Pistol, and NRA Certified Home Defense(PPIH) Instr. and Certified RSO(Range Safety Officer).
I also shoot IDPA and 3Gun Competitions(local). I shoot about 1,000 rds/mo practice(Combat Handgun mostly).
I am a member as well, the silver plus plan. I shoot skeet every other weekend at my local gun club with some good friends. We also shoot pistol and rifle many different varieties. I am thinking of getting training to be firearm instructor on the weekends for extra cash and to sharpen my skills.
Good for you.
You can go to the NRA Courses Section and see what the requirements are for certification.
And where the closest NRA Instructor is.
For most courses – Its mostly classroom work and testing, a bit like college.
But for many you also have to qualify with scored shooting.
For Pistol you have to shoot 6 shots out of 10 in a 6″ circle at 45ft(as I recall). Not as easy as it looks for many, so you might want to practice this some.
You may want to check your State Requirements for Certification.
exa – Here – for Pistol – you have to be NRA Instr. certified than submit that to the State to get State Conceal Carry Instr Certified.
That is what I did.
For Home Defense (PPIH)(Personal Protection in the Home) you have mostly class but also have to do some combat type shooting with scored accuracy-pistol. This is the course I really liked and was the most informative. It covers a wide range of self defense systems/techniques – how to develop a prior “plan”, how to evaluate your home layout inside and out, passive systems, etc. Its a good foundational course.
Good idea. As much as I hate to say it, we need to be able and willing to defend the likes of the bleeding heart liberals as well as ourselves. Of course, when the fan blades start spinning, I won’t be volunteering to stand in their place. They can decide to live or die by their words. Or maybe they will wise up and join with us to save our country. Not likely, I realize. Natural selection is such a blind equalizer and will have a field day.
Gun deaths are like airplane crashes: Lots and lots of turmoil, lots of press coverage and lots of folks unhappy. But to put things in prospective: There are about 12,000 homicides/year committed with guns. Airplane crashes kill a few hundred in a good year. Automobiles kill about 33,000/yr. Prescription drugs kill about 33,000/yr (unintentional deaths). I am not going to get into deaths by bad diet and lack of exercise–which are way bigger numbers than these. From my prospective, homicides by guns are not at the top of a list of issues we need to be addressing. Far more people’s lives could be saved if all the energy spent yammering about guns was redirected to eliminating unnecessary deaths from a number of other causes. Of course, it is tough to tackle the food and medical professions. They really are BIG and have lots of MONEY to spend. And we all like to eat in excess and pop a pill for a quick fix.