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Is The 25th Amendment A Solution To Trump Madness?

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Reprinted with permission from AlterNet.

The 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides for the succession of power when the president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” It empowers the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet to remove an incapable president, over his objections, with the approval of two-thirds of both houses of Congress.

As alarm about Trump’s mental state ripples from the 30 percent of Americans who think it is “poor” to the 62,000 mental health professionals who have signed a letter of warning to Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.)—who worries about Trump starting World War III—to the White House staffers who think he is “unraveling,” the 25th Amendment is now getting attention previously devoted to the Constitution’s provisions for impeachment.

This talk is no longer confined to the president’s enemies. When adviser Steve Bannon told President Trump that the real danger to his presidency was not impeachment but the 25th Amendment, Trump reportedly said, “What’s that?”

As Trump and the rest of the country come to understand the 25th Amendment, they may come to agree with Bannon that it poses the greatest threat to Trump’s tenure in office.

Choose Your Remedy

The 25th Amendment and impeachment are remedies for different problems. While the impeachment process controls a president who acts irresponsibly by committing “high crimes or misdemeanors,” the 25th Amendment applies to a president who is incapable of acting responsibly.

Ever since Trump’s unhinged speech in Phoenix in August, his erratic behavior has shifted attention from his political actions to the underlying question of his mental competence.

“I really question his ability to be—his fitness to be—in this office,” former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. said after Trump’s rambling speech to a crowd of supporters who grew bored and puzzled by his ranting.

That view seems to be gaining credence within Trump’s own camp.

In August, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called a Trump a “moron” after the president demanded a 10-fold increase in the size of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

Numerous reports from the White House indicate that Chief of Staff John Kelly is tightly controlling access to Trump in order to curb his self-destructive behavior. One former official even speculated to Vanity Fair’s Gabriel Sherman that Kelly and Secretary of Defense James Mattis have discussed what they would do in the event Trump orders a nuclear first strike. “Would they tackle him?”

Even a close Trump friend and ally has said he is “shocked” by Trump’s recent outbursts.

Such worries are elevating the 25th Amendment process from a liberal fever dream to a distant yet real possibility.

If Trump’s extreme behavior grows more extreme, more obvious and more detached from politics, senior officials like Kelly, Tillerson and/or Mattis might feel obliged to invoke the 25th Amendment publicly. Then the Cabinet would have to decide if Trump was capable of holding office. If a majority of the Cabinet and Vice President Mike Pence agreed, and two-thirds of both houses of Congress agreed, then Pence would become acting president.

The 25th Amendment gives Congress a role in the process. Section 4 states that while the Cabinet must issue a written statement, Congress may create a body to issue “a written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” which would elevate the vice president to acting president, if approved by two-thirds vote in both Houses.

Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Maryland) has introduced legislation to create a panel on presidential incapacity. So far 28 Democrats have signed the resolution.

While the 25th Amendment solution now seems highly unlikely, it was highly unlikely nine months ago that any Cabinet member would disparage Trump’s intelligence (and not publicly deny that he had done so), or that Bannon, of all people, would see the 25th Amendment as a threat to Trump’s presidency.

A year from now, things could be very different. If Trump has failed to pass tax cuts or tax reform; stumbled into war in North Korea or Iran; and alienated more GOP allies with his “malignant narcissism,” the feeling that he is simply incapable of carrying out the duties of office may well grow and spread within his own administration.

One attraction of the 25th Amendment as a solution to the problem of Trump’s mental instability is that the criteria for removal from office is not the abuse of power but the inability to exercise it. The issue is less political than clinical.

Pence’s Lifeline?

If current trends continue, this might eventually make the 25th Amendment attractive to Trump’s supporters. In the event of obviously deranged presidential behavior, Pence and the Cabinet could invoke the 25th Amendment without accusing Trump of abuse of power or renouncing his political agenda.

Indeed, Pence & Co. could advise Trump to take a medical leave of absence in the best interests of the presidency, his family, and his supporters. Trump could declare victory over the “Swamp” and retire to Mar-a-Lago, giving his political heirs a clearer path to power. The 25th Amendment might turn out to be the vehicle that carries Pence (and Bannon) into the 2020 presidential campaign unburdened by Trump’s madness.

In short, if the problem is that the president is clinically incompetent, the solution is the 25th Amendment. If the problem is that the president is constitutionally dangerous, the solution is impeachment. If the president is both—and there is plenty of evidence that he is—the country will have to choose between the political remedy and the medical remedy.

The 25th Amendment beckons as impeachment-lite, a constitutional method of forcing the president out of power without passing judgment on his politics. It’s that hardy Washington solution: an attractive cop-out. Which is why we will be hearing more about it.

Jefferson Morley is AlterNet’s Washington correspondent. He is the author of the forthcoming biography The Ghost: The Secret Life of CIA Spymaster James Jesus Angleton (St. Martin’s Press, October 2017).

 

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  1. dbtheonly October 15, 2017

    Would it be fair to point out that I’ve been suggesting the 25th Amendment Solution for over 6 months now?

    I assert it’ll be the Republicans preferred solution because it is less damaging than impeachment to the “Republican Brand”.

    Scripts are about to knock me off the site. Will try to get back if anyone wishes to debate the issue.

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    2. Bill Smith 999935 October 15, 2017

      I may be fair to point out that you’ve been mentioning if for six months. It would also be fair to point out that the libs have been trying to create their own reality for a long time.

      1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth October 15, 2017

        It is also fair to point out that you’re proving to be an excellent supporter of satanic vices. And it would also be fair to remind you–since you obviously are in the dark on this—that you were created to aspire towards nobility, and not sink to depths of an ignoble personality. I should point out that your nosedive has been openly displayed for well over 6 months.

        1. Bill Smith 999935 October 15, 2017

          On the contrary, you have demonstrated no sense of logic or ability to think critically since I have been visiting this site. You are just a brainwashed liberal who thinks it’s impressive to blather on for ten pages instead of making a concise point. You are a bore.

          1. yabbed October 16, 2017

            Personal attacks are an admission that you have no intelligent response to offer.

          2. Bill Smith 999935 October 16, 2017

            Not personal, just an observation. Learn the difference.

          3. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

            Hardly. Aaron is over your pea sized brain.

          4. Bill Smith 999935 October 17, 2017

            In your liberal bubble, like the rest of your incestuous tribe. None of you are qualified to shine my shoes, Lol.

  2. Dominick Vila October 15, 2017

    In a perfect world, the 25th Amendment would be a logical solution, considering Trump’s behavior, vindictive agenda, his bizarre statements, and the dangers posed by a list of “accomplishments” limited to overturning progress. As embarrassing as his actions and statements are, the most compelling factor for exercising the 25th Amendment, or impeachment, is the distinct probability of Trump ordering unilateral nuclear attacks against North Korea and/or Iran not because they are warranted, but to satisfy his innermost desire to destroy President Obama’s legacy. The fact that millions of people will die, that there are other vehicles to solve the international challenges we face, and that what remains of our credibility as a nation of laws, and a nation whose word can be trusted, will be destroyed forever. No nation in the world will contemplate signing deals with the USA after seeing what Trump is doing to the Iran nuclear agreement, what he did to the Paris Climate change Accord, to policies leading to rapprochement with Cuba after half a century of failed policies, and statements that legitimize the rise of Fascism in America at a time when the rest of the world is pursuing peaceful coexistence and an end to racism.

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    1. yabbed October 15, 2017

      I do not believe that the United States is as impotent as you describe. I do believe that many Republicans have become very concerned about Trump’s mental stability and his falling approvals on many issues may very well lead Republicans in Congress to act on behalf of the best interests of the United States and the world. I know you will say that, being GOPers, they will not but I believe given enough cover they can be moved to do the right thing. Trump’s actions are not benefiting them or the Republican Party and they surely are aware of that. They must be concerned about their own reelection chances at this point.

      1. dbtheonly October 15, 2017

        I sincerely hope you’re right about the Republicans’ concern for the Nation.

        But.

        They haven’t shown a lot so far. We’re a year out from the election; but right now, I’m happy with my money on Trump still being President 1/1/18. Unless and until more Republicans stand up; Trump stays.

        1. yabbed October 15, 2017

          Whoa. I don’t think it has anything to do with Republican Members of Congress having concern for the nation. If there is any concern it is totally and unequivocally concern for self that would motivate them.

        2. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

          Anyone can stay in a game where there are NO rules and the ones making the rules are the ones BREAKING the rules.

      2. Dominick Vila October 15, 2017

        That’s the whole point. Their decisions are driven by re-election considerations. As Trump’s base remains behind their Messiah, most lawmakers will not move a finger to impeach him or use the 25th Amendment to remove him from office. Thus far, only 3 or 4 Republican Senators have found the courage to openly confront Trump’s reckless actions.

        1. yabbed October 15, 2017

          But is that base large enough to carry Republican House members back into office? Trump’s poll numbers are falling all over the country in Republican districts that voted for him. It looks like his base is shrinking.

          1. Dominick Vila October 16, 2017

            He is not going to win a majority of voters, but I would not be surprised if he pulls another Electoral College victory, if he decides to run. I live in a red district in Florida, and I have not seen any erosion of support for Trump. In fact, the only thing I hear from the Trump supporters that I know, including relatives and neighbors, is praise. Hopefully enough Puerto Ricans move to Florida and turn this state blue again. Otherwise, you can count on it being on the GOP camp again in 2020, along with just about all Southern states and many Midwestern states. Base on what I hear, support for Trump has a lot more to do with him embracing cultural issues, than tangible policy accomplishments. He is playing his base like a fiddle, and they either don’t know it yet, or they don’t mind. As long as we never have another President whose complexion is dark, everything Trump does is fine with them.

          2. yabbed October 16, 2017

            Well, that’s discouraging to hear. Let’s hope those cultural issues become less captivating when face to face with the reality of living under Trump “policies”.

          3. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

            Here in PA there is still support for Trump because of the cultural issues. They love Pence also.

        2. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

          There are at least a dozen Republicans whose terms are ending. So, Trump’s base may not be as solidly behind him unless Boozer Bannon supplies the only candidates Trump dictates be put out there. Which I am not so sure the RNC chieftain will take kindly to. Remember that Priebus WAS RNC biggie for the 2016 election? You know what Trump did to him.

  3. rednekokie October 15, 2017

    Some may think this is a reasonable idea. However, I don’t think it will happen for several reasons: 1) Pence is even crazier than tRump, 2) not enough democrats plus the republicans in congress which would take to amount to 2/3,
    So we are stuck with this madness for three years more unless something totally unexpected happens, and in this day and age, no one can predict what, if, or when that might be.

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    1. yabbed October 15, 2017

      It’s a bit much to say Pence “is even crazier than” Trump. Pence is a religious totalitarian and a nutcase but he is not mentally ill.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

        Actually, Pence is a religious fanatic. By most professional psychiatric terminology, the word “fanatic” always implies extremism beyond normal levels.

        1. yabbed October 16, 2017

          Well, I agree that he’s a religious nut, no question about it. But I doubt he’s psychotic and I’m not willing to say Trump is not.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

            If only Trump had used his brain for things more constructive. His ability to plan and scheme are totally self focused. It is always about him.

            Even now, in all 8 years of the Obama administration, Trump has in only 9 1/2 months outspent on golf trips and expenses for his family to luxury ski resorts and vacations.

            What really pisses me off most is when the Republicans had the balls to go after Nancy Pelosi for flying home first class one time while Pruitt, Stinky Zinke, Price and Mnuchin have spent $60,000 per trip to fly on private jets and military planes.

            Then, Pruitt says he’ll reimburse taxpayers $60,000 for his military plane trips that cost taxpayers $200,000 per trip.

    2. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

      Once you realize that Trump went after a Hispanic (Mexican), the entire Muslim American population, degrading women with his “locker room” toilet mind and more than obvious hatred for all African Americans, who is left for him to be his supporters except a tiny bunch of boozer big mouths like Bannon who think shoving their hands up women’s skirts is their right and their privilege?

      The type of white males who support Trump are the same white males who always end up in jail. Where, by the way, Trump himself has belonged for more than 3 decades.

      Gingrich has no explanation for why since Trump is so “eccentric” he is also the only one to enter the White House with a $25 million FinCEN fine for money laundering.

      The very fact that these white bullies think that’s okay tells you ALL you need to know about just how low on the scale of honesty and decency they are.

  4. yabbed October 15, 2017

    Trump is a clear and present danger to the long term survival of the United States and the world and he must be removed from office. He is far too dangerously mentally unstable to have control of nuclear weapons.

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    1. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

      Even the deranged Kim Jong Un recognized Trump was a dotard. ( I didn’t need a dictionary for that one. That term is still around in Appalachia).

  5. apzzyk October 15, 2017

    There are two problems here. Incompetent people tend to try to find less competent people to surround and protect them from reality and there are some questions about the competency of Pence and all of the members of the cabinet other than Mattis and Tillerson. Then there is other problem of incompetent people wanting to be shielded from evaluation of their competency by having a less competent formal leader. DeVos has escaped the heat because Trump is less competent than she, and the same goes for the head of the EPA and the Sec. of Commerce, so the competent are outnumbered by the incompetent. In terms of the nuclear problem, in the military the person who is ordered to do something that is stupid can refuse to obey the order, and so even if Trump orders the nuclear attack, this order can be blocked by Mattis, or even the Joint Chiefs. This would just be a temporary fix since Trump, with the approval of Congress, can appoint a replacement, but that would give us at least a time our. Going back to the optional wars, the then Chairman of the Joint Chiefs wanted to go in with more boots on the ground while Bush and Rumsfeld wanted to go in on the cheap, so the Chairman was fired and replaced with a general that would follow orders. All officers in the US military are political appointees, so any of them, or even a total outsider can be appointed to be the Chair of the joint chiefs, and if we remember “Dr. Strangelove” there are bound to be a crazy somewhere who will take the job.But this would also require Congress to do its Constitutional duty to declare war and take the responsibility for the consequences.

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    1. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

      I am not fond of Tillerson mainly because he has done a lot of business with Putin in Russia for Exxon. That gives Exxon a smudged reputation. But, one thing about Tillerson I do admire is his ability to respond to that scumbucket in the White House in a way that goes right over Lard Ass’s head.

      Right now, Boozer Bannon is desperate to take over this country. with Neo Nazi Miller at his side, Sheriff of DC Roy Moore riding high in the Bannon Saddle and that Staten Island convicted fraud, Grimm, Bannon is getting face time a low life boozer bum like him would never get if not for his Trump infamy.

  6. JK October 15, 2017

    I love how much you leftist scum are truly suffering now we have a real president Please consider moving to Canada ASAP and remember to have abortions as frequently as needed

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    1. dtgraham October 15, 2017

      It better be ASAP because soon you won’t be able to move to Canada, as Canada plans on moving to Australia.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

        Canadians don’t want creeps like these. When I watched the Munk debate, every time Gingrich or Strasser bashed Obama, the Canadians in that audience booed both of them.

        Now we have the Iranian and North Korean leaders both calling Trump the very same thing 68% of Americans do.

        The only way these Republicans can keep control now is to rig more elections.

        1. dtgraham October 17, 2017

          Obama is still extremely popular in Canada. I can’t recall a U.S. President as popular with Canadians as he was, as far as American Presidents go. Of course it’s always the Democratic Presidents who are more favoured.

          I didn’t catch that Munk debate but I notice the whole thing is online. I’m definitely going to check that out. Thanks for that Ellie.

    2. Aaron_of_Portsmouth October 15, 2017

      Would you please move to a mental institution with Trump? I see from your post that you’re as delusional and seduced by the con artistry of Trump as many other anti-Christian supporters who approve of satanic qualities being openly expressed and unchallenged. Before you ever again suggest someone leave a country, you should have a mental health specialist give you an evaluation.

      Tell me, JK, are you inspired by the Spirit and Teachings of Jesus, or is your allegiance with a satanic individual like Trump?

      You can not be serious in thinking that you are allowed to worship God and worship false idols like the NRA and Trump. This is called “Polytheism”, and you shouldn’t expose yourself openly as a polytheist—it ain’t cool, homey!! Trust me.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

        The joke here is that no matter how these tiny factions of mental patients from Trump World try, they know they will NOT FORCE any of the 68%ers to agree with them that Trump is doing what 44 other presidents would NEVER have dared to do.

        What does that tell you? It tells me that the only reason these mentally defective minds voted for Trump is so he could undo what 44 other presidents did for over 240 years.

        He isn’t draining the swamp. He’s filling it with these dirt bags.

      2. idamag October 17, 2017

        The far right loves the unlearned. They always did. When hitler took over, he jailed the thinkers and the learned people. He started with doctors and teachers. You get someone who thinks intelligence is whether or not you know a singletree from a doubletree and you get backward red states who are draining this nation.

    3. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

      Hey dickface. You right wing scum will NOT live off any more of our Dem state tax dollars. Move to Moscow where you morons belong.

      How is it you shitbaggers show up only on these social media sites and then when you need help with your oil spills, tornados and floods you cause by polluting hell out of your own states, you run for our Dem state tax dollars like the liberally freeloaders you are?

      Get the hell out of our country, shitbagger.

    4. idamag October 17, 2017

      Racist pig. I always block the likes of you. If you had an ounce of intelligence, You would have started out with, “This is what is wrong with the left..” and proceeded to use facts and not alt-facts from fascist sites. Our democracy is in jeopardy and you are one of those who should be charged with treason for supporting those who are trying to destroy the two-party system. I do not belong to either party because, I do not need to be told how to think. I can research and think for myself. I can tell you were never on the dean’s list.

    5. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

      Your Christian sentiment warms my heart.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

        He’s really a former boozing womanizer whose wife took a hike rather than endure a lifetime of his BS bullying.

        I find it amazingly funny that bullies attract bullies who then attract very angry mobs of non bullies who beat their asses into bully pulps.

  7. Beethoven October 15, 2017

    If Trump can be removed from office by way of the 25th Amendment, then at least he will be removed from office, and the nation will be less likely to get into a nuclear war. But I don’t think the 25th Amendment is the appropriate solution. The 25th Amendment was passed to deal with the possibility that a president, while in office, would become incompetent to handle the office, because of some medical issue, such as a heart attack or stroke, or perhaps onset of Alzheimer’s. The 25th Amendment was never intended to deal with a president who was incompetent before he was elected, and was elected by voters who actually wanted such an incompetent person in the office. I am aware that some of Trump’s close associates are now saying that Trump is losing it mentally because of the pressures of the office, and if that is so, then perhaps there is justification for applying the 25th Amendment process. But from my viewpoint, nearly everything Trump is doing and saying now is consistent with what he has been doing and saying since before he announced his candidacy for president, and is clear evidence that he should never have been nominated or elected to begin with. But he was elected because of what he is saying and doing, so to invoke the 25th Amendment to remove a president who is simply acting in accordance with what he campaigned on sets a very bad precedent. If we had Republicans in Congress who were more concerned about protecting and saving the United States than they are about protecting their jobs, then impeachment would be available and appropriate.

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    1. Aaron_of_Portsmouth October 15, 2017

      Good point about Trump being consistent in his madness, before and after. But since Congress hasn’t the nerve to offend the real leader in Congress—-the NRA—and since the addiction to remain in power is only satisfied by appeasing a base which itself is suffering from a madness, and given Trump’s urgent need to feed his ego, the 25th might be seen by Trump as a “noble” path out of his mess, would pose less of an affront to an already god-like NRA and 2nd Amendment derangement of much of the electorate supporting the NRA—and by default supporting Congress.

      1. idamag October 17, 2017

        Congress is full of fascists and enablers.

    2. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

      I wonder if there’s a way under the 25th to just compel the president to be admitted to the hospital for a complete history and physical and mental exam. The only problem is he could resign, but when criminal charges are finally brought by the Mueller investigation, he could claim mental illness and get off scot free.
      We are screwed any way you look at it. Hurry up, Mr Mueller!!!

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

        Like you and 68% of other Americans, we know Trump is totally inept and incapable of serving as a world leader. He’s proven that to our European allies at the G20 and at the UN meeting.

        They loathe him as much as we do. Add to that the Iranian and North Korean leaders, also have Trump’s “number.” They know he can’t be trusted.

        Look at how many lies he tells in a single day. Yesterday is a good example. Every TV channel that aired his “speech” clearly showed more than a dozen lies in less than an hour’s time. How can anyone trust someone who lies with such frequency?

  8. Eleanore Whitaker October 16, 2017

    Loathing Newt the Old Coot 3 time Divorcer as I do, I decided to watch the Munk Debate regarding Donald Trump on CSpan. It was held in Toronto Canada.

    The four debaters were E.J. Dion, English born author Andrew Sullivan, Wall Street Journalist Kimberley Strasser and Newt the Coot.

    Though Strasser, a well scripted Rupert Murdoch ultra conservative began to sound like a machevellian harpy and Ye Olde Tub of Georgia Lard, Newt tried to create the impression that nothing Trump has done violates the U.S. Constitution, their inability to be reasoned with as NO conservative EVER is, was clear.

    In their moron swamp slime view, Trump “sometimes acts like a poo poo head.” This from Strasser whose defense of the firing of James Comey was always a sidelining attempt not to address the direct Trump quotes from E.J. Dionne, one of today’s finest and most respected journalists. We know the name E.J. Dionne. We have never heard of the Trump cheerleader Strasser. You can guess why. In Murdoch world, only white males get anywhere up that Murdoch ladder at the Wall Street Journal since he bought it.

    But, when the Georgia Tub of Lard tried hard to say that Trump is “eccentric,” and that he has not broken one single Constitutional law, I had to wonder if living in DogPatch Georgia with his third wife and his testosterone flagging has now damaged his brain.

    Absent Gingy’s Grandaddy being pure KKK in the hallowed ranks in Georgia and his all too obvious hatred of Obama, he had the balls to try and claim that everything Obama did was obstruction and that was the reason Trump HAD to undo everything Obama had done during his 8 years.

    When E.J. Dionne and the eloquent Andrew Sullivan pointed out that it wasn’t Obama who did the obstructing but the Republican Party, Strasser nearly got a buzz cut on her short hairs.

    If this debate proves anything, it is that Gingrich, the Republican Party and the billionaires in this country are desperate to return our country back to the days of Ye Olde England when “betters” rules by big money and the rest of the country starved to death until they had enough and revolted.

    Revolution, being of course, what the roughing the passer Strasser decried strenuously. Not to worry bitchy poo. In Trump world, if he can’t grab “yours,” you’ll be on the Trump landfill.

    Funny thing about that “eccentricity” of Trump, not a single one of 44 other presidents have dared to do what Trump is doing. Once The Georgia Tub of Lard and his roughing the passer Strasser are forced to compare the other 44 presidents to Trump, you see what they want most is to tear down everything the Founding Fathers established for a “new government” known as Trump world.

    Another funny thing. The minute the Tub of Lard got booed by the Toronto Canadians in that audience, he claimed they must “be liberals.” So, if you DARE DARE DARE to disagree with these nuts, you have to be a liberal.

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    1. yabbed October 16, 2017

      Yeah, well, I am a liberal and proud of it. 🙂

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

        Don’t fool yourself they aren’t liberal with our tax dollars. There is a push now to keep all Dem state tax dollars in our states that normally flushes to the fed and ends up supporting Republican states.

        When you think about it, Dem states are paying twice, once for interstate infrastructure and transportion at the state level and again at the Federal level where Dem states get 55 cents on the $1 which forces all of our states to make up the loss of all the federal funding that ends up in Republican states, driving up our state taxes.

        We could very easily withhold all federal funding and keep it in our Dem states for everything federal dollars pay for. Why not? We don’t get much ROI for the federal $1 we pay anyway. Why not just keep SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense (which we may need anyway for the Civil War the righties are hot to instigate), transportation and other programs.

        When it comes down to it, the northeast has far greater a need for SOTA transportation and funding than Wyoming, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama or any of the GOP states. The northeastern corridor relies entirely on rail, bus and subways in greatest proportion. And yet, the interstate funding revenues are the lowest and go to states that still use horses and buggies.

        1. yabbed October 17, 2017

          I was talking about myself. 🙂

          But, we are the United States of America. Doesn’t matter whether a state is liberal or conservative, a state cannot withhold tax dollars from the federal government.

          1. Eleanore Whitaker October 18, 2017

            If we are the United States of “America” where in that does it say that we must pay higher taxes so the United States of Republicans can benefit most?

            Wrong. We can and will withhold federal tax dollars. It’s been done before and you can guess which states did it first.

            It’s as simple as doing what Trump has done his entire business life, “claim bankruptcy.”

            All payroll deductions that would normally go through each Dem state to the fed can just be held in state treasuries. Not exactly rocket science.

            All payroll deductions are first held by the states that submit them to the fed. So. You just don’t submit them to the fed. There. Problem solved.

    2. idamag October 17, 2017

      Isn’t a newt a lizard?

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

        He is like Sanders, Trump and I suspect, Sessions now that Sessions has gotten bitten by the camera “bug.” Take away their “face time” and they’d go bonkers.

  9. itsfun October 16, 2017

    One of the things that got President Trump elected was his promise to repel and replace Obamacare. That is also one of the reasons the Republicans won both the House and the Senate. The President tried to work with both sides of the aisle in Congress to fulfill his promise. The House and Senate couldn’t work together and get it done. The President took it into his hands and got rid of Insurance subsidies which had been declared illegal by a federal judge. Obama ignored that ruling and paid them anyways. Also the Constitution says only Congress can appropriate monies. Congress did not appropriate any money for subsidies, but Obama paid them anyway. What President Trump has done is throw the responsibility back to Congress where it belongs. The President also gave every citizen the ability to choose what kind of and how much insurance they wish to purchase. He also gave every citizen the right to go across state lines to get insurance rate quotes. He also gave people that don’t have a big union health care contracts to have associations that can get the same rates as the big companies. All of these things will lower rates for everyone. The problem is if President Trump likes it, then automatically the left hates it without even bothering to research it.
    The President was elected to do just what he did. If the Democrat party of no and resistance can work with him, then some great things can get done.

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    1. latebloomingrandma October 17, 2017

      The ACA was a duly passed bill and became LAW. Until it is repealed by a new law, those subsidies should be paid. Period.

      1. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

        It was passed by both the House and the Senate. Righties seem to resort to the distorted mirror versions “alternate facts.”

        Not to worry. With Boozer Bannon planning to replace ALL republican incumbents and Trump just yesterday playing kissy kissy with McConnell for frontal face value to the public, you see where this is going.

        Would any sane human being on planet earth other than Neo Nazis vote for any candidate in the GOP Boozer Bannon puts out there?

        The flood of votes for Dems will be worse than the one that forced Noah to build an ark, count on it.

        To show just how politically stupid Boozer Bannon is, he is ignoring the fact whether deliberately or not, that at least a dozen incumbents have served out their terms and have to be replaced anyway.

        Now, imagine Boozer Bannon flooding the GOP campaigns with crooks with past records of illegalities being the ONLY candidates Republicans can vote for. Not even Mutton Chops and Corn Pones will fall for that. They’ll run like hell to the Dem candidates for no reason other than that they have their “pride” and their “culture.”

      2. itsfun October 17, 2017

        Nope: A federal judge ruled the subsidies to be illegal. Congress and only Congress can appropriate monies. They did not appropriate any money for the subsidies. Obama ignored the court ruling and the Constitution by ordering the money to be paid. President Trump simply passed that law and constitutional law back to congress to do their jobs.

    2. Eleanore Whitaker October 17, 2017

      It’s always just as much fun to repeal and replace Trumpcare in 2021 when the New Democratic President takes over. Like that?

      What Trump has done to this government, 44 other presidents all together wouldn’t dare do. You can bleat like the Trump sheep you are but until you come up with the reasons all 44 other presidents did it ALL wrong, all you and that Lard Ass prove is that he wants to get rid of a structured government and replace it with the most unstructured so like all criminals he can steal more and get away with it.

  10. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    ONE HAS TO UINDERSTAND DUMPSTER DONNY 45 is not crazy or insane he is just pure EVIL HE IS THE SOUL OF SATAN AND ALL HE BRINGS TO HELL ! BUT ON EARTH !!! //// watching the news MSNBC and one of the guest asked a question . How did & dose a person admitting on an EXS.-HOLLYWOOD tape for the country and the world to hear and see that he physically sexually assaults & abuses women become president of the USA ??????. one would have to thing (ones with the littlest of common sense ) what is wrong with the PEOPLE of the COUNTRY that would let this happen ? more insane are the females that hold signs stating I’m a women for DUMP 45 . those are the women that one would think have no respect for them self’s or pretty much and females … tell me a logical answer and I would give up !!!

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  11. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    AND CHECK THIS OUT ITS THE CUTEST THING >>
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    You have to see this cute video here

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  12. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    watching the news MSNBC and one of the guest asked a question . How did & dose a person admitting on an EXS.-HOLLYWOOD tape for the country and the world to hear and see that he physically sexually assaults & abuses women become president of the USA ??????. one would have to thing (ones with the littlest of common sense ) what is wrong with the PEOPLE of the COUNTRY that would let this happen ? more insane are the females that hold signs stating I’m a women for DUMP 45 . those are the women that one would think have no respect for them self’s or pretty much and females … tell me a logical answer and I would give up !!!
    funny too cute must see

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  13. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    want a cute laugh check this out > Twin Babies Perform Irish Dance And It Is HILARIOUS! | Get It Free – Freebies, Deals, Coupons

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  14. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    this is the DUMP 45 calling America first . then knocks women , blacks . GLBT ,Puerto Rico and or Puerto Ricans and any and every foreign nationality . to these people come after America first ? or is that DUMPSTER DONNYS special end of the line list ? DUMP 45 VP wants to (and him too )hang gay people . this child minded MORON clown just like more so to be the king of FAKE NEWS . saying his BULL that Obama never called fallen soldiers family’s there are 4 soldiers that were killed in Niger and the DUMPSTER DONNY has said nothing about them . its on his watch . between DUMP 45 & his VP don’t have the grains of sand never mind stones to tell or talk about the truth . DUMP 45 calls every one a liar but its his that since he been in office he averages 5 LIES A DAY

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  15. ivory69690@yahoo.com October 17, 2017

    DUMP 45 is the kind of clown that would send 100 troops into harms way and if 50 of them came back alive he is the kind of MORON to say because of me I myself saved 50 lives then saying nothing about the 50 that died . he might say thy lost their lives but it was their own fault for some stupid DUMPSTER DONNY reason . still in the same speech stating that he the only reason why 50 made it back alive . this DUMP 45 has yet to say anything about the 4 lives loss on his watch . as their body’s came back to the USA he thought its more important that he be playing golf . that clown so fast saying Obama never contacted any fallen soldiers family then after saying I don’t know or something more stupid well I heard that . yup he heard that from his own pee for brains mind

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