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“In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot.” ― Mark Twain
Nah Bozo, you jes stop yo’ wisin’ off, ya hearn me? Sma’t aleck!
WHAT? We can’t even trust Santa Claus anymore?
I would challenge Mr. Clemens to be able to describe what patriot is in today’s United States, OMG. Would it be the people who spend all week ripping off their fellow citizens but fly the flag and wear a red, white and blue T-shirt on the weekends? The guy who says, “My country, right or wrong,” while waving his little flag made in China? Maybe the person who goes to church every Sunday and prays for the good fortune they have had and for continued good fortune in the future and then shows contempt for those less fortunate because they are obviously less religious and patriotic than he or she? Well, I could go on at length about phony patriots, but I won’t. I’ll let you speak for Mark Twain and describe the true, brave and red, white and blue patriot.
Have a good day, OMG!
Actually Metro, Santa Clause posts on this site. He goes by the moniker ‘ralphkr’. Check out his photo and you’ll see what I mean. I think he and the NSA are definitely tracking me since I am most assuredly on Obozo’s enemies list. That’s why he’s tracking all of my phone calls, emails, and internet posts.
Regarding who is and who is not a patriot, I can tell you that it’s not difficult. Those who espouse the traditional American values of liberty, individual sovereignty, private property, free market economics, and Constitutionally limited federal government, those are patriots. Those who espouse the socialist theories of government sponsored income redistribution schemes, bigger government and more control over people and property are NOT patriots. They may be communist patriots, but they are NOT American patriots. This is the bulk of the DemonRAT party and a good portion of the Republican party.
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“Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists
conclude that we object to its being done at all. We disapprove of state
education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.” ― Frédéric Bastiat, The Law
Actually ‘ralphkr’ and I have exchanged posts about life on the farm in the “good ‘ol days” when one guy had the threshing machine of the silo filler and all the neighbors got together and went from farm to farm helping each other put up their crops. Very Socialistic, I suppose. It was a social gathering as well. All the ladies came too, and made a huge noon meal and a mid-afternoon lunch. We talked about who had driven the oldest tractor. ‘ralphkr’ won that contest. I suspect he may be even older than I.
Your description of who is a patriot and who isn’t is way off the mark. Human beings are much more complex than you give them credit for. They can’t be put in pens and labeled Socialist, Communist, Democrat, Libertarian, Republican etc. I know that makes it much easier and saves a lot of time, but it’s neither right nor accurate and fair.
Libertarians/Conservatives like to take remarks and twist them to suit their definition. You accuse people of being Socialist because they think the gap between the high-salaried CEOs and the people who do the work has grown too large. The fact is, it has. If you don’t see that I don’t know what you are looking at. So when they speak of redistribution of wealth, they’re not talking about being equal. just a bit more fair. As far as a state religion, I sure as hell never heard a Socialist call for any religion let alone a state religion. The state-enforced equality? I assume you and Bastiat are referring to affirmative action laws. Once again, no one was trying to put everyone on an equal footing. The reason was the ugly discrimination that was commonplace until some people said, “This is not right,” and started demanding basic human rights for all. Not equality. In the present era we have devolved into total silliness. We take an innocuous remark and manufacture a political crisis out of it. And I will state that I think your hero Bastiat was indulging in some of that when he wrote that. If we followed only Libertarian ideas to their logical conclusion, where would we be? Have you ever thought about it? Have you ever wondered why no one has ever established a totally Libertarian political system? I’m sure you believe it would be far superior to anything anyone has ever tried before. I believe it would lead to total disaster. So, does that make me a non-patriot? It does according to your description. Pure Socialism has never worked. Neither has pure Libertarianism.
But, I’ve got to run. I am supposed to be painting walls while Mrs. Metro is off to a tea party or something. No there’s equality for ya!
I keep telling Ralph to get a holiday gig as Santa. He’d be great and make lots of money. Maybe even cash where he would not have to declare it for taxes. He’d like that, I am sure.
Regarding putting people in categories… you are somewhat wrong on this, Metro. For example, I did not put you in the Democratic party category, you did when you joined it long ago. Calling you a Democrat is not falsely categorizing you because it is true. And categorizing people based upon their political leanings is 100% accurate. There may be people that fall at different points on the spectrum from total anarchy at the far right end to complete government control/tyranny at the left end. But that does not mean that their political beliefs should not be categorized and given names that make communication and understanding between 2 or more people possible. Of course they should. That’s called “learning”.
I don’t know a single conservative anywhere that wants a federally established religion. The Constitution prohibits the establishiment of a federal religion while specifically protecting religious liberties of the people. Too many militant atheist lefties think this means freedom FROM religion when nothing could be further from the truth. I think we agree on this point, Metro. And by the way, the ending of slavery and the civil rights movement were started by and in the churches. And the churches were the ones leading the way with MLK on this issue. The government does nothing first, it only follows the citizens.
On the so-called “income gap”… there is no such thing that is not created by government control and regulation. Government control and regulation create crony capitalism (which is what we have) that only seeks to raise the cost of competition for new entrants to a given market or industry. Thus, protecting the revenues and profits of the giants who’s CEO’s get paid huge contracts and in return deliver $$$ support for the politicians who in turn create more barriers (regulations) to entry to compete. You guys on the left have some fantasy that the economic pie is fixed and that for one to gain, someone must lose. You also think it’s government’s job to “level the playing field” in this case. Nothing could be a bigger fantasy than that. The surest way to get a company to reduce CEO pay is to have lots more competition fighting it out for their customers and forcing more cost effective operation. That only happens in a free market with low barriers to entry. Besides, since when is it your or my or anyone else’s business what someone else makes or what a company pays in a free society? Don’t you understand that sticking your nose, or that of your elected and non-elected government officials, into someone else’s business necessitates a reduction in that person’s freedom? Just because you have some emotional attachment to the concepts of classs warfare?
Regarding libertarianism (Small L intended), it was tried here in America for a very long time. The experiment in human liberty and freedom produced the greatest advances mankind had made in the shortest period of time that ever happened in human history. Damn it Metro, we didn’t even have an income tax for the first 125+ years of our existence. How the hell did we get along without one? Shocking, isn’t it. What’s funny is that when you say something like “where would we be if we took libertarianism/human freedom to it’s conclusion, the answer is yes, I have. The fact is that the answer depends on the general morality of the people. The economy and human freedom are NOT fixed pies. People left to be free will do lots of good things and some bad things. If men were angels, no government would be needed. But because men are not angels, the best government made up by mankind is the least amount needed to insure equal justice under the law and common defense. Madison actually said something to that effect, but I’m not looking it up right now. The point is, Metro, that of course we need government which reflects a civil society and enforces justice. We have nothing like that today. Rather, we have a rapidly growing goliath that is taking all of us down with it while promising more and more that it can never deliver. The only solution to the problem is a dramatic reduction in the size of government and a return to Constitutionally limited government. You may not be around as the colllapse intensifies, but there is no way to avoid it. The piper must always be paid, and he will be.
I’d like to type a lot more on this, but I don’t have the time.
Why don’t you and the boys go out chasing some tail and sampling a few bottles of scotch? 🙂 You know, when the cat is away…….. Just looking out for you, buddy.
Have a nice night, Metro!
“Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” – Alexis de Tocqueville
I have never “joined” any party, OMG. I told you before, I am registered as a Democrat in order to be able to vote in primary elections in the “enlightened” state of Arizona. If the Republicans are ever able to recruit a better slate of candidates, I will register as a Republican. I would prefer to be able to register as an Independent.
Yes, the income gap does exist, much as you would like to deny it. And it’s not solely because of the government. They are ably abetted (or more likely controlled) by Corporate America. We, the people have no say anymore, as you pointed out. We are actually a Plutocracy now.
“In a sense there have always and ever been only two political philosophies: liberty and power. Either people should be free to live their lives as they see fit, as long as they respect the equal rights of others, or some people should be able to use force to make other people act in ways they wouldn’t choose.”
— from a history of libertarianism
Which of these political systems do you surmise we live under now. You are correct in saying we had libertarianism in this country, but we never fully lived under libertarianism. Our political system has always been a mixture of philosophies, but freedom has always been the goal for most of us. The early citizens did pay taxes. Not Federal taxes, but local taxes. The Tea Party rebellion was about paying taxes to England without having representation in the Parliament. How did we get along without Federal taxes? How about the fact that our government, being smaller due to the fact that the country was much smaller, didn’t need taxes. Legislators served without pay or even expenses. They didn’t travel first class from coast to coast on 777s. They traveled by horse and buggy or by horseback. They had no fancy offices, they didn’t have Franking privileges, there were no federal buildings and the military, when it existed at all, was all voluntary with minimal pay. Or none, at times. And for a majority of those 125 years you speak of, the country was limited to a very small area. And the legislature didn’t waste large amounts of time and millions of dollars on idiotic “congressional hearings.” They took care of business and headed home to take care of their farms and businesses.
Do we have monumental waste of our tax money now? Absolutely! And all parties are to blame.
Should we do away with public education? Absolutely not! From the beginning of this country public education was part of our system. No one can reliably say that private education is superior to public education. Charter schools have not proved, in any honest evaluation, to be superior. I spent eight years in parochial schools. My education was equal to but not better than the public schools.
The fact is, we have the very government we asked for. We have all been guilty of demanding (I hate that word) the government provide the things WE want, as individuals and there has been little thought as to what is good for the country. So we have given over the power to the large corporations who routinely bribe (call it lobby, if you wish) the government to make laws to benefit them. Not us.
I’ll tell you one thing, OMG. If you want to change the government, it’s probably too late to accomplish it peacefully. As with any change, be it Socialism, Libertarianism, Libertarian Socialism, or any other, it will take armed conflict. About that, Marx was right. I don’t think we have come to that point yet. But keep your weapons oiled and ready.
Unfortunately, it’s too late for the boys and I to take you advice. Mrs. Metro is up and about again. We are in the midst of a sizable kitchen/living room/dining room remodel and I have been turned into a pack animal, moving furniture and boxes. But I will have a double Jameson’s on the rocks and I’ll drink a toast to you.
Have a good day, OMG!
Hi Metro! I’m with you on the party thing. I have to be a Republican OR DemonRAT to vote in the primaries in my state. Can’t stomach the socialist left here in the northeast so there’s only one other choice. I have voted for principled and decent Democrats locally that have tended to be conservative, more so than their progressive opposition from the Republican party. But never on national level. The only one I could have seen myself possibly voting for may have been Joe Lieberman if I had the chance.
The reason I tell you the so-called “income gap” is a phony issue is because it requires a suspension of reality in America, and adherence to long standing belief in the fantasy of proletariat vs. bourgoise within a class based system. It ignores the reality of traditional upward mobility of Americans. Millions upon millions of people have started out with next to nothing and have made themselves finanically independent. Still many, many people who have been near the top have fallen back to the bottom. Historically, our nation has enjoyed remarkable economic mobility. About 60 percent of the households that were in the lowest income quintile in 1999 were in a higher quintile ten years later. During the same decade, almost 40 percent of the richest households fell to a lower quintile. This is a nation where you can rise or fall. It is a nation where you can climb the economic ladder based not on who you are born to, or what class you are born into, but based on your talents, your passion, your perseverance, and the content of your character. You see, you guys like to cite general statistics about income, but you overlook the specific aspects that income is earned by individuals who change on a constant basis. It ignores that football player that grew up dirt poor in Alabama and now makes $9M per year. It ignores that kid that grew up poor on a farm in NJ, became a mechanic that now owns a chain of 40+ gas stations. These things are the real America. Not the Marxist vision of some phony problem called an “income gap”. The most important aspect that we should consider is NOT income gap, but opportunity gap. And the bigger the government, the less economic mobility we have because there is NO WAY for the government to oversee and control the free choices made by people every day without controlling the WHO does and does not get opportunity. This is what you get with progressive liberal government that’s grown so big and controlling that big business finds it to their advantage to work the system. You are dead wrong on your assumption that business controls the government, my friend. It’s the other way around. The guy with the gun ALWAYS holds the power first. They’ve just found a symbiotic relationship that the guy with the gun happens to like…. so far.
As to public education… that stats prove it out Metro. Far higher graduation rates than public schools. Not all, but many particularly in the cities. Set the urban schools aside and there’s not a lot of difference. I am for public FUNDING of education, but not for private control by private unions of public funding. You want to see education improve in America? Make the whole damned thing a voucher system and allow parents the choice of where to send their kids. When they have to compete for their livelihoods, you’ll see the quality and innovation in education explode across America. It already has done so in home schooling education.
I unfortunately agree with you that change will require an armed conflict. I would hope and pray that it does not, but I think the ship has left the port already. About half of America gets some form of government assistance. Once that turns squarely into the majority by a decent margin, it’s game over. They’ll never vote to reduce their benefits. They will fight for them.
Thanks for the drink. You must be Irishman if you like the Jameson’s. Now hurry up and get back to that hunnydo list.
Have great night, Metro!
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress
discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville
Comedian Yakov Smirnoff, when he first came to America, built his comedy routines on the contrast between America and the Soviet Union. One line I still remember: the Soviet Union has the best post office in the world! When you get a letter, they come and take you down to the police station and READ it to you!
Ah’d lak t’git me one o’ them book o’ stayupms, n’ ya don’t mond, buddy.