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Could Pope Francis Be Donald Trump’s Undoing?

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Could Pope Francis Be Donald Trump’s Undoing?

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If he hasn’t faded from the news in a few weeks, Donald Trump will have some serious competition for headlines from a person who represents everything he does not. That would be Pope Francis, who arrives in Washington on Sept. 22 for a six-day visit to America.

The pope’s schedule — a meeting at the White House, a service at the World Trade Center, addresses to a joint session of Congress and the United Nations General Assembly — is world class, as Trump might put it. The pope himself is, in Trumpspeak, yuge. He is also a living reproach to Trump, raising the enticing possibility that his visit — just six days after the next Republican debate — will prompt reconsideration of Trump in a new context.

Both men are celebrities and both like to be provocative. But no one is lifting the political dialogue higher than Pope Francis, and no one is driving it lower than Trump.

It’s not that the pope is a milquetoast. Far from it. His encyclical this year on climate change, for instance, uses vivid, muscular language to convey his harsh analysis of failed stewardship and class oppression. The Earth increasingly looks like “an immense pile of filth,” he wrote, blaming “reckless” human behavior that he said would take a cruel toll on the poor in particular.

When he speaks of individuals and groups affected by Vatican policies, the pope raises interesting questions and acknowledges profound chasms — all without casting stones. He would not allow women to be priests, but softens that by saying women should have a more significant role in Catholicism. He does not favor divorce, but he says that sometimes a marital separation is “morally necessary.” Nor does he support gay marriage, but he has been nonjudgmental about homosexuality (“we must always consider the person”). He has said the Church should focus less on abortion, contraception and homosexuality, and more on a message of love.

A message of love? Ha. Trump would be the Don Rickles of presidents, the king of insults and insult comedy. The name-caller-in-chief. The baiter-in-chief. That guy who likes to rate women by their looks and men by their heights. The one you teach your kid never to be like. Except that as president, he’d be a role model to a generation.

Conservatives got mighty exercised when Bill Clinton proved to be, shall we say, not a terrific role model. Liberals weren’t too happy either. Al Gore alluded to family values a half-dozen times in announcing his presidential candidacy in June 1999. “I say to every parent in America, it is our own lives we must master if we are to have the moral authority to guide our children,” he said.

Trump is a different kind of lousy role model — a bully with zero self-awareness, who enjoys starting fights and holding grudges, and who can’t or won’t stop speaking in generalizations and stereotypes that make the phrase “some of my best friends are Jewish” seem like a sophisticated declaration of open-mindedness. “Do you know how many Hispanics work for me? Thousands. They love me,” he says. And evangelicals? “Incredible people. They’re really smart. … I love evangelicals.”

As for those Trump decides have not been “nice” to him, be they reporters, rivals or perhaps leaders of other nations, he has this to say: “When people treat me unfairly, I don’t let them forget. And maybe we should have more of that in this country and maybe the country wouldn’t be pushed around so much.”

If the full-spectrum Trump were not on display every day, from TV to Twitter, the Dubuque, Iowa, news conference at which he made all of those comments would be immortalized as a day of political infamy. Trump refused in advance to let the Des Moines Register attend and had Jorge Ramos of Univision ejected for asking questions without being called on. “This man gets up and starts ranting and raving and screaming, and honestly being very disrespectful to all the other reporters,” Trump explained Wednesday on NBC’s Today Show.

Disrespectful? Of reporters?? The nerve.

The Donald of course has raised disrespect to an art form, particularly on Twitter. He goes after everyone, even rivals polling at 0 percent who pose zero threat to his polling leads. He also relishes the bon mots of his fans, retweeting their references to “Tacky Pataki” and “bimbo” Megyn Kelly, to Scott Walker (“How dare he criticize you. You would fire him in a second”) and Jeb Bush’s ability to speak “Mexican” (“this is America, English!!”). “I retweet for a reason,” he says.

Seriously, think about what we try to teach our children, and then think about four years of trying to explain away a President Trump. Maybe the contrast with Pope Francis will jump-start the process of scales falling from eyes. Nothing else has worked so far.

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Photo: Pope Francis waves as he arrives to attend an audience for altar servers at St. Peter’s Square in Vatican City August 4, 2015. REUTERS/Giampiero Sposito

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Award-winning journalist Jill Lawrence is a nationally syndicated columnist and a contributing editor to U.S. News & World Report. She also contributed to The Surge: 2014's Big GOP Win and What It Means for the Next Presidential Race (2015). Lawrence has discussed political and policy developments on television, radio, and many other media outlets. She was an adjunct professorial lecturer at American University in 2014, teaching on the relationship between politics and the media.

Lawrence has covered every presidential campaign since 1988, as well as historic events such as the Three Mile Island nuclear accident, the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, the Clinton impeachment, the Florida recount, and the 1993 and 2009 battles over health reform.

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  1. Dominick Vila August 27, 2015

    I am not a religious person, but I think mentioning Pope Francis and Donald Trump in the same article borders on sacrilege!
    Pope Francis has demonstrated a level of intellect, character, and respect for the rights of others that place him among the best spiritual leaders in the history of religion. In contrast, Donald Trump’s bizarre comments about women, Mexicans, his reckless proposals about how to solve international problems, and the vulgarity of his discourse, place him at the top of all the arrogant, narcissistic, demagogues in the history of the United States.

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    1. roneida August 27, 2015

      the “Best” spirituals leaders of religion and superstition do not have much to brag about or be admired for. They have caused more misery and despair than the plague and wars.

      1. Dominick Vila August 27, 2015

        You are not going to get an argument from this agnostic on this topic…:-)

        1. Karen Bille-Golden August 27, 2015

          50 years ago my father gave me this sage advice…”never argue politics or religion” ….it’s harder to stay out of the political arena!

          1. Looner August 28, 2015

            I think that advice was for when you sit around the table with your relatives on Thanksgiving. Other times it is extremely important to argue politics or religion, for history is full of times when people didn’t do that and ended up with Tyrrants or theocratic societies….. Or Hitler. The advice is not so sage in the grand scheme of things.

          2. Karen Bille-Golden August 28, 2015

            I think what he meant was it will be a source of frustration and people generally aren’t going to change their opinion as we see evidenced here on a daily basis. But yes you have a good point, we have a moral obligation to stand up and do something by getting involved

      2. Looner August 28, 2015

        Not going to get an argument from this Atheist either. I think Pope Frank is what, if Jesus did exist would say a Pope or even a Christian is supposed to be, for the most part.

    2. Joan August 27, 2015

      Amen brother. Pope Francis should not be held responsible for the entire history of the Catholic Church some of which is just horrible. When judged as a person the current Pope is so far above the Trump that it is incalculable.

  2. Eleanore Whitaker August 27, 2015

    Pope Francis is an effacement the HAVES hate. When you spend more than 3/4 of your lifetime living off the blood, sweat and tears of others, a Pope like Francis is like an ice water bath.

    It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the hotsy totsy rich who have lavished such massive greed and wealth upon themselves at the expense of the poor and middle class would loathe what this Pope is preaching.

    They forget that His Holiness doesn’t speak from evil. He speaks from inspired goodness. Now, the crooks and corruption becomes ever more clear to those who are fed up with the lies, excuses and addiction to “Greed is Good.”

    Pope Francis, like President Obama and certain others are visionaries. When money is the ONLY object, there is no other vision.

    The fall of the market is going to get worse. But, they did this to themselves. When you wear blinders to the consequences of decisions you make, you inevitably miss the cliff you are about to fall over.

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  3. roneida August 27, 2015

    e Pope will be his own undoing if he doesn’t keep his nose out of America politics. He is causing the worst human misery and pollution with his barbaric refusal to accept the science of safe,proven and cheap birth control throughout the world.. He encourages the poorest to overbreed like rats so he and his child molesting sinners will have more subjects to support his outlandish life style of luxury Donald Trump can only dream of.
    I am NOT talking about abortion here,just easy and cheap family planning. Trump earns his own money…the Pope takes from others . Do you ever hear much from the Pope about ” Give all ye have to the poor, and follow ME.??” It applies to him too.

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    1. Independent1 August 27, 2015

      Although I don’t subscribe to organized religions created by man, I’m hoping that what the Pope has to say, will cause even many on the right to give second thought to much of what the GOP stands for. I think the Pope’s message, although like you, in many aspects such as those you point out, will not go far enough, because of his misguided religious beliefs.

      But in many aspects his message, especially where he essentally calls capitalism “the dung of the Devil’; will be 180 degrees out of phase from the message the GOP has brainwashing many in the American populace with over especially the past 35-40 years.

      If you haven’t seen it, you may want to take a look at an article from MarketWatch::

      Opinion: Pope Francis’s ‘attendance’ at GOP debate is going to help sink the party

      Here’s just the first of his “10 Commandments”:

      1. Capitalists … are new worshipers of the biblical golden calf

      Pope: “Money must serve, not rule, yet we calmly accept its control over us. Money originated in a profound human crisis, the denial of the primacy of the human person. The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money.”

      http://www.marketwatch.com/story/pope-franciss-attendance-at-gop-debate-is-going-to-help-sink-the-party-2015-08-05?page=2

      1. Looner August 28, 2015

        Not enough 4th grader words in that. The GOP won’t understand what on earth he is talking about. He should just say “Money Bad”

  4. Joe T August 27, 2015

    NOTE: SOMETHING DISTURBING IS OCCURRING IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HIERARCHY. THE POPE IS EMBRACING THE QU’RAN AND ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY.

    THE QU’RAN DOES NOT ESPOUSE A BELIEF IN CATHOLIC TEACHING AND BELIEF THAT JESUS DIED ON THE CROSS, THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD AND THAT JESUS IS THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD WHO DIED AND WAS RESURRECTED BY HIS FATHER GOD…GOOGLE IT. THEY CONSIDER JESUS AS JUST ANOTHER MOHAMMAD. ..THE POPE SEEMINGLY IS IN ERROR ABOUT THE QU’RAN.
    REVIEW THE ISSUES:

    Pope Francis and Islam

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    Pope Benedict XVI and Islam – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    http://www.westernjournalism.com/pope-francis-host-islamic-prayer-vatican

    According to a recent Times of Israel report, Islamic and Jewish representatives will join Pope Francis for an interfaith event Sunday at the Vatican.

    The Vatican and Islam – Opinion – Jerusalem Post

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/The-Vatican-and-Islam-315582

    As the world focused on a pope’s election and the enthusiasm that immediately followed, another significant religious event escaped detection.

    Pope Francis and Islam: Following papal precedent

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/verrecchio/130919

    Aug 25, 2015 · According to a report in Vatican Insider, Pope Francis has sent a personal message to the Grand Imam of the Al-Azhar Mosque, Ahmed Al Tayyeb. …

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    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI_Islam_controversy

    The Regensburg lecture or Regensburg address was delivered on 12 September 2006 by Pope Benedict XVI at the University of Regensburg in Germany, where he had once …

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    Pope Francis Says Equating Islam With Violence Is Wrong

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/01/pope-francis-islam-_n_6249350.html

    Dec 01, 2014 · (Reuters) – Pope Francis said on Sunday that equating Islam with violence was wrong and called on Muslim leaders to issue a global condemnation of …

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    Pls hv a look on it.. http://deadseriousness.com/dead-seriousness-news-pope-benedict-xvi-resigns-papacy-converts-to-islam/ Pope Benedict XVI Resigns Papacy

    Pope Francis calls for better links between Islam and …

    http://www.theguardian.com › World › Pope Francis

    Pope Francis has called for greater dialogue between Christianity and Islam as he prepares for a historic meeting with the emeritus pope, Benedict XVI , the first …

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    1. Daniel Jones August 27, 2015

      Hogwash.

      1. Joe T August 28, 2015

        NOW LISTEN UP INNATE NESCIENT PUTZ…………………….

        SO YOU DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE POPE IS SAYING AND IS DOING AND/OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REPORTED IN WORLD WIDE NEWS ABOUT HIM.

        FURTHERMORE, IT’S NOT ME CLAIMING/STATING; IT’S THE NEWS REPORTING WHAT HE IS DOING.

        FURTHERMORE, MORON, I WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS FOR 12 YEARS 8 BY NUNS, 4 BY JESUITS…CATHOLIC FROM DAY ONE TO PRESENT TIME.

        Jesuits-a member of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order of priests founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, and others in 1534, to do missionary work. The order was zealous in opposing the Reformation. Despite periodic persecution it has retained an important influence in Catholic thought.
        ps….the Qu’ran denies Jesus as Son of God, Savior, & Resurrection.
        DON’T BELIEVE IT, DON’T POST ME BS.

        1. Daniel Jones August 30, 2015

          Hogwash.

          1. Joe T August 31, 2015

            DITTO ON YOUR HOGWASH REPLY……

    2. whodatbob August 27, 2015

      So you are anti Catholic! BFD, Hopefully the Pope are someone else can drive the Don off of front page, headline news.

      1. Joe T August 28, 2015

        OK-LISTEN UP INNATE NESCIENT PUTZ…………………….

        SO YOU DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE POPE IS SAYING AND IS DOING AND/OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REPORTED IN WORLD WIDE NEWS ABOUT HIM.

        FURTHERMORE, IT’S NOT ME CLAIMING/STATING; IT’S THE NEWS REPORTING WHAT HE IS DOING.

        FURTHERMORE, MORON, I WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS FOR 12 YEARS 8 BY NUNS, 4 BY JESUITS…CATHOLIC FROM DAY ONE TO PRESENT TIME.

        Jesuits-a member of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order of priests founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, and others in 1534, to do missionary work. The order was zealous in opposing the Reformation. Despite periodic persecution it has retained an important influence in Catholic thought.
        ps….the Qu’ran denies Jesus as Son of God, Savior, & Resurrection.
        DON’T BELIEVE IT, DON’T POST ME BS.

        1. whodatbob August 29, 2015

          Your Catholic pedigree is light weight. I’ll match your 12 years and add 4 at a Jesuit University. Graduation requirements included 12 hours of Theology and 12 hours of Philosophy. Do not lecture me on the Church or the Jesuits.

          Remember Pope is a Jesuit theologian. My only complaint with pope Francis is he took the name Francis Assisi not Francis Xavier, my conformation name.

          Who pissed you off the good Sisters or the Jesuit?

          1. Joe T August 30, 2015

            Then he (Jesus) said, “Anyone with ears to hear should listen and understand.” Mark 4:9

            To Muslims throughout the World (FROM POPE FRANCIS)

            It gives me great pleasure to greet you as you celebrate ‘Id al-Fitr’, so concluding the month of Ramadan, dedicated mainly to fasting, prayer and almsgiving.

            It is a tradition by now that, on this occasion, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue sends you a message of good wishes, together with a proposed theme for common reflection. This year, the first of my Pontificate, I have decided to sign this traditional message myself and to send it to you, dear friends, as an expression of esteem and friendship for all Muslims, especially those who are religious leaders.

            As you all know, when the Cardinals elected me as Bishop of Rome and Universal Pastor of the Catholic Church, I chose the name of “Francis”, a very famous saint who loved God and every human being deeply, to the point of being called “universal brother”. He loved, helped and served the needy, the sick and the poor; he also cared greatly for creation.

            I am aware that family and social dimensions enjoy a particular prominence for Muslims during this period, and it is worth noting that there are certain parallels in each of these areas with Christian faith and practice.

            This year, the theme on which I would like to reflect with you and with all who will read this message is one that concerns both Muslims and Christians: Promoting Mutual Respect through Education.

            This year’s theme is intended to underline the importance of education in the way we understand each other, built upon the foundation of mutual respect. “Respect” means an attitude of kindness towards people for whom we have consideration and esteem. “Mutual” means that this is not a one-way process, but something shared by both sides.

            What we are called to respect in each person is first of all his life, his physical integrity, his dignity and the rights deriving from that dignity, his reputation, his property, his ethnic and cultural identity, his ideas and his political choices. We are therefore called to think, speak and write respectfully of the other, not only in his presence, but always and everywhere, avoiding unfair criticism or defamation. Families, schools, religious teaching and all forms of media have a role to play in achieving this goal.

            Turning to mutual respect in interreligious relations, especially between Christians and Muslims, we are called to respect the religion of the other, its teachings, its symbols, its values. Particular respect is due to religious leaders and to places of worship. How painful are attacks on one or other of these!

            It is clear that, when we show respect for the religion of our neighbours or when we offer them our good wishes on the occasion of a religious celebration, we simply seek to share their joy, without making reference to the content of their religious convictions.

            Regarding the education of Muslim and Christian youth, we have to bring up our young people to think and speak respectfully of other religions and their followers, and to avoid ridiculing or denigrating their convictions and practices.

            We all know that mutual respect is fundamental in any human relationship, especially among people who profess religious belief. In this way, sincere and lasting friendship can grow.

            When I received the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See on 22 March 2013, I said: “It is not possible to establish true links with God, while ignoring other people. Hence it is important to intensify dialogue among the various religions, and I am thinking particularly of dialogue with Islam. At the Mass marking the beginning of my ministry, I greatly appreciated the presence of so many civil and religious leaders from the Islamic world.” With these words, I wished to emphasize once more the great importance of dialogue and cooperation among believers, in particular Christians and Muslims, and the need for it to be enhanced.

            With these sentiments, I reiterate my hope that all Christians and Muslims may be true promoters of mutual respect and friendship, in particular through education.

            Finally, I send you my prayerful good wishes, that your lives may glorify the Almighty and give joy to those around you.

            Happy Feast to you all!
            From the Vatican, 10 July 2013
            FRANCISCUS
            Read more: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/cityofbrass/2013/08/message-to-muslims-of-the-world-from-pope-francis.html#ixzz3kIuS8dry

          2. Joe T August 30, 2015

            The Antichrist

            Spirit of Islam

            The religion of
            Islam, more than any other religion, philosophy, or belief system, fulfills the
            description of the antichrist spirit.
            The religion of Islam makes it one of its highest priorities to very
            specifically deny all of the above points regarding Jesus and His relationship
            to the Father. In fact, it can very
            fairly be said that Islam literally is a direct polemical response against the
            above essential Christian doctrines.
            Regarding the above points however, Muslims will be quick to argue that
            Islam teaches that Jesus is indeed the Messiah.
            But this is really just trickery.
            While it is true that Islam does retain the title of Messiah for Jesus,
            when one asks a Muslim to define what the title “Messiah” actually means in
            Islam, the definitions given are always hollow and fall entirely short of
            containing any truly messianic substance.
            In Islam, Jesus is merely another prophet in a very long line of
            prophets. Biblically speaking however,
            the role of the Messiah, among other things, also entails being a Divine
            Priestly Savior, a Deliverer and the King of the Jews. As we saw in the earlier chapters about the
            Muslim Jesus, rather than being a Messiah that saves or delivers Israel and all
            of his faithful followers in any way, in the Islamic traditions, Jesus instead
            returns to lead Israel’s enemies against her in battle and to kill or convert
            all Jews and Christians. This would be
            the equivalent of calling Adolph Hitler, rather than Moses, Israel’s deliverer. For now, we see that the apostle John informs
            us that just before the final hour, a very specific “spirit” will dominate the
            earth. This spirit will deny many of the essential biblical doctrines regarding
            who Jesus is and what He came to do. Islam epitomizes this spirit perfectly.

            Tawhid and Shirk

            In order to
            properly understand the antichrist spirit of Islam, there are two doctrines
            that must first be understood. The first
            is called Tawhid. It is the most
            essential belief in Islam. Tawhid refers to the belief in the absolute oneness
            of God. Islam adheres to the strictest
            form of Unitarian monotheism possible.
            In Islam, God is utterly alone.
            But in order to understand Tawhid, one must understand that it is more
            than just a doctrine. In Islam, belief in Tawhid is an absolute
            commandment. And if adherence to Tawhid
            is the highest and most important commandment in Islam, then the greatest sin
            is called Shirk. Shirk is the opposite
            of Tawhid. It is in essence,
            idolatry. From the “Invitation to Islam”
            newsletter published by a Muslim group from Toronto, we read a very telling
            statement, which helps us to understand exactly how shirk is viewed by Muslims:

            Murder, rape, child
            molesting and genocide. These are all some of the appalling crimes which occur
            in our world today. Many would think that these are the worst possible offences
            which could be committed. But there is something which outweighs all of these
            crimes put together: It is the crime of shirk.
            1

            Thus many Muslims
            feel as though either believing in the trinity, or ascribing divinity to Jesus
            are both among the greatest sins conceivable.
            In fact, believing in these essential Christian doctrines is more than
            just a sin; it is the most heinous of all crimes! In the Muslim mind, shirk refers not only to
            the beliefs of polytheists, or pagans but also to the essential historical
            doctrines of the Christian faith.

            Below we will
            examine these three essential doctrines and how Islam specifically denies
            them. Islam Denies the Sonship Of
            Christ

            The religion of
            Islam has as one of its foundational beliefs, a direct denial of Jesus as God’s
            Son. This denial is found several times
            throughout the Quran.

          3. whodatbob August 30, 2015

            Good Morning, hope you have attended Mass this morning.

            Reply to both post. Nice cut and past job. Your first post is an invitation to open dialog with Muslims to discuss the similarities and differences between the two Religions. Always start with similarities. Your second post list many differences between Christian and Muslim beliefs, the reason dialog is needed. Not a reason to prevent dialog.

            Again why are you so angry?

          4. Joe T August 31, 2015

            EVER HEARD OF SATURDAY MASS!

            We strive to illuminate the 47 % ignorant (uniformed) low
            info people (like U) to elucidate the subject regarding the very dysfunctional
            political atmosphere of chaos that the USA is experiencing with this current
            administration for cause…..in retrospect….Google what we post, it’s
            accurate, no spin doctor treatment or lies.

            Truth will always prevail…Veritas.

          5. whodatbob August 31, 2015

            The truth will prevail. Pope Francis is correct in his approach to stopping the further killing of Christians through dialog. He will stop this Religious War. Your fundamentalism Catholic theology will be proven an impediment to a solution.

            Many are upset by Pope Francis’s inviting divorced and gay Catholics back into the flock. Francis believes no sin is so great as to not be forgiven. The Church must be available to help all to gain redemption.

          6. Joe T August 31, 2015

            You never addressed the Qu’ran’s stance on Jesus; as the Son of God who died on cross for sins of the world as Savior and Redeemer, etcetera.

          7. whodatbob August 31, 2015

            Jesus, Son of God, died on the cross for the forgiveness of our sins is a Christian belief. Non Christian do not share our beliefs, one of many differences open for discussion.

            Pope Francis’s attempt to open dialog with Muslims is not to merge tow different theologies into one but to come to an understanding where both can coexist in peace. Stop the killing.

          8. Joe T August 30, 2015

            SO R U A PRIEST FROCKED OR UNFROCKED OR RETIRED?
            STAY TUNED!

          9. whodatbob August 30, 2015

            Why are you shouting? Does not add importance to your post, only causes you to be a loud mouth. Take a deep breath, calm down, perhaps then you might start making sense.

          10. Joe T August 31, 2015

            LIKE THE CAPS…………YOU POSTED YEARS OF DIVINITY ED.
            QUESTION IS STATED PLAINLY. DON’T WANT TO ANSWER!
            THE ONLY OBSTREPEROUS ONE IS YOU WITH INANE ILL PALAVER.

          11. whodatbob August 31, 2015

            Meaningless question, no answer needed.

          12. whodatbob August 30, 2015

            You know, after taking a good look at your picture. You look like a raving nut case! As such i will stop responding to you.

            May God bless you and restore your mental health.

          13. Joe T August 31, 2015

            PLAYED PRO BALL, OWN A LAMBORGHINI, IN TOP 1%.
            EDUCATED W/2 DISCIPLINES. NOT COMPLAINING.
            PROFESSIONAL DEMEANOR AND STAID INTEGRITY.
            P.S. C if U can discern Job 38:14 from around 650 BC; since U R
            trained in theology, as U posted……better 4 U? Veritas.

          14. Joe T August 31, 2015

            Joe T

            Professional demeanor

            4060 comments • 4679 votes

          15. whodatbob August 31, 2015

            Joe, as I have reviewed our discussion it seems you as does Cardinal Burke

          16. Joe T August 31, 2015

            Your thoughts…Proof that Islam is a False Religion!

            It is abundantly clear that Islam is a lie because Muslims continually claim that Christians and Muslim’s worship the same God. Many false religions continually try to compare themselves with Christianity but, Christianity stands alone. Christianity and Islam are NOT in agreement in any sense.

            The Bible absolutely condemns Islam as a satanic false religion; yet, Muslims keep saying that we all worship the same God. It is this blatant denial of their own claimed god’s distinctiveness and individuality that PROVES that Allah is a
            scam. If I were a devout Muslim, I would NEVER claim to follow the Christian God.

            The Qu’ran clearly defines Allah as a monotheistic God, totally contrary to the Biblical teaching of the Godhead: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. So why do Muslims continue to make such FALSE and ERRONEOUS claims? It’s that they want to be accepted as a legitimate religion, like cancer telling your brain that it’s your friend.

            Islam is a spiritual cancer, and billions of victims no doubt burning in Hell because they died in their sins by refusing to believe that Jesus Christ is their Savior. Think about this. Why do Muslims keep denying claiming such a big lie?

            There is NO common ground between Islam and Christianity. Islam is straight from the pits of Hell. Allah is Satan.

            IF THEY (Muslims) believe the Islamic printed Qur’an and you do NOT……you should be killed or dead as for as they are concerned. 4.89 : They desire that you should
            disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.3.85:

            And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. (from the Qur’an)

            KEEP BELIEVING THEY ARE PEACEFUL…..WHILE YOU AND OTHERS ARE BEING KILLED.

            8.12: When your Lord revealed to the angels I am with you,
            therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off (behead) their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

            The Qur’an was an oral text throughout Muhammad’s lifetime it was also a fluid text. The complete text resided only in the memories of Muhammad and his followers. As he added verses and reorganized the text, his followers would re-memorize the text in the light of the additions or edits.

            This means that the Qur’an was a living text during the lifetime of Muhammad. Certain verses revealed to Muhammad were later repudiated by him as “satanic” verses revealed not by Gabriel, but by Satan. These verses were expunged from the text that so many had memorized.

            (It’s plain to see Barack Hussein Obama has loyalties to this ideology that be hidden. It’s self-evident for many reasons, one of which is that he clearly avoids (refuses) to call the terrorists by their identity of followers of Islamic teachings,
            proven by the Qur’an to be VIOLENT. Substitute Manchurian Candidate for the word Muslim.

            This is occurring worldwide at a rapid rate, due to verbiage by current covert leaders. Whether a conservative or Liberal the Islamic teaching of the Qu’ran doesn’t matter.

          17. whodatbob September 1, 2015

            Are you capable of original thoughts or only capable parroting thoughts of others?

            “The Qu’ran clearly defines Allah as a monotheistic God” As does Judaism and Christianity. By your logic is not these also false Religions?

            Catholic theology teaches One God in three persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) not three gods. A mystery we must take on faith.

            Radical Muslims are obviously violent. Reason dialog is necessary.

          18. Joe T September 8, 2015

            Revolt Brewing Inside Vatican As Cardinal Conservatives Seek To Stop Pope Francis Power Grabby Geoffrey Grider

            Conservative dissent is brewing inside the Vatican

            “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:1,4,5 (KJV)

            EDITOR’S NOTE: The Catholic Church has long bragged that since it’s creation in 325 AD it has “never changed”. Maybe that’s true, right up until the moment that Francis became Pope. Since then, the winds of change have blown so hard that many Conservative Cardinals can barely recognize it anymore. What they fail to realize is why Pope Francis is making so many changes so quickly. He is fulfilling end times bible prophecy. Revelation 17 and 18 firmly declare that the Vatican is the “Mother of Harlots”, ruled over by a False Prophet who prepares the way for Antichrist.

            VATICAN CITY — On a sunny morning earlier this year, a camera crew entered a well-appointed apartment just outside the 9th-century gates of Vatican City. Pristinely dressed in the black robes and scarlet sash of the princes of the Roman Catholic Church, Wisconsin-born Cardinal Raymond Burke sat in his elaborately upholstered armchair and appeared to issue a warning to Pope Francis.

            A staunch conservative and Vatican bureaucrat, Burke had been demoted by the pope a few months earlier, but it did not take the fight out of him. Francis had been backing a more inclusive era, giving space to progressive voices on divorced Catholics as well as gays and lesbians. In front of the camera, Burke said he would “resist” liberal changes — and seemed to caution Francis about the limits of his authority. “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope,” Burke told the French news crew.

          19. Joe T August 31, 2015

            I WASN’T LECTURING U OR ANYONE; SIMPLY REPLYING TO
            A QUERY OF A REPLY.

      2. Sand_Cat August 29, 2015

        Well, I think we agree on something. Are you cringing? :>)

        1. whodatbob August 29, 2015

          Shocked, simply shocked!
          Have a good day.

    3. Looner August 28, 2015

      As an Atheist I can say … What a big huge pile of excrement this ridiculous rant is Joe T.
      Is accusing someone of being Muslim or Islamic the bizarre accusation of the year for brain dead RWNJs?? Smh

      1. Joe T August 28, 2015

        LISTEN UP INNATE NESCIENT PUTZ…………………….

        SO YOU DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE POPE IS SAYING AND IS DOING AND/OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REPORTED IN WORLD WIDE NEWS ABOUT HIM.

        FURTHERMORE, IT’S NOT ME CLAIMING/STATING; IT’S THE NEWS REPORTING WHAT HE IS DOING.

        FURTHERMORE, MORON, I WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOLS FOR 12 YEARS 8 BY NUNS, 4 BY JESUITS…CATHOLIC FROM DAY ONE TO PRESENT TIME.

        Jesuits-a member of the Society of Jesus, a Roman Catholic order of priests founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, St. Francis Xavier, and others in 1534, to do missionary work. The order was zealous in opposing the Reformation. Despite periodic persecution it has retained an important influence in Catholic thought.
        ps….the Qu’ran denies Jesus as Son of God, Savior, & Resurrection.
        DON’T BELIEVE IT, DON’T POST ME BS.

        1. Sand_Cat August 29, 2015

          Having gone to Catholic school, you’re now qualified to trash the Pope because he doesn’t espouse your intolerant and nasty worldview?

          1. Joe T August 30, 2015

            Pope Francis’s words and actions have trashed himself.

            You have trashed yourself by being an atheist and a fool;

            aka….

            a person devoted to a particular activity…..Sand Cat

          2. Sand_Cat August 30, 2015

            Obviously, you’re beyond rational argument

          3. Joe T August 31, 2015

            Rational and argument are not synonymous.
            synonymous

            (of a word or phrase) having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or phrase in the same language.

            rational-based on or in accordance with reason or logic.

            argument-an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one.

            WORDS ARE THE FINGERS THAT MOLDS MEN’S MINDS.
            Tout court.

          4. Sand_Cat August 30, 2015

            It’s really laughable; you’re obviously such a good Christian; “Jesus” would be proud. He just loved arrogant morons who were judgmental and just plain nasty. You Pharisees and hypocrites were his favorites.
            You’re the fool, judging those of us who take his advice when he said “by your fruits you shall know them” by shunning pompous and crude “Christians” and the swill you preach.

          5. Joe T August 31, 2015

            LISTEN UP INNATE NESCIENT PUTZ…………………….

            SO YOU DON’T BELIEVE WHAT THE POPE IS SAYING AND IS DOING AND/OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING REPORTED IN WORLD WIDE NEWS ABOUT HIM….REPORTED NEWS!!!

            FURTHERMORE, IT’S NOT ME CLAIMING/STATING; IT’S THE NEWS REPORTING WHAT HE IS DOING……..GOT BRAINS?

          6. whodatbob August 30, 2015

            You tell him.

  5. Raymond Lavine August 27, 2015

    Interesting idea Jill with the Pope to provide thoughts about how we talk about people.

    My concern is the Pope and The Catholic Church have moral issues with the years of sex abuse to children by priests which were ignored for decades.

    The hypocrisy is that when relgion is discussed it is a “war on religion” but when it is those who are priests or ministers who do immoral deeds — people say it is not acceptable but then are fine that religion is moral even if ministers and priests are immoral. There is a cognitive disconnect.

    A Jimmy Carter or people with a national reputation for being thoughtful and honorable would explain to people who are angry, judgemental, no interest in facts, agreeable to words and ideas which agree with their thinking — that is the person who would be of value to explain why Don Trump is a person who is not providing useful ideas for Americans to make an important decision — choices of who should be the nominees for President of the United States.

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  6. Gerry August 27, 2015

    I put my bets on “Capitalist” TRUMP, 20 to3 against the Socialist (communist) Francis.

    Reply
    1. latebloomingrandma August 27, 2015

      Considering that a communist leader is a godless dictator, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    2. Jim Burke August 28, 2015

      Let me guess Gerry, you are a fundamentalist Christian correct.

      1. Sand_Cat August 29, 2015

        I doubt if even they want him.

      2. Gerry August 30, 2015

        Jim. No I am NOT a fun fundamentalist Christian. The Pope should straight up “his house” then start to give advise about political issues His teaching should be to “Save souls” no to save the planet.We have Al Gore to do that (?) I wanted guide on moral issues, on how to obey and please my Creator, no to deviate of the responsibility of the Church and the teaching of the Bible, the Old and New Testament.
        Yes, am Fundamentalist on that respect. Remember “give to Cesar what is of Cesar’s, and the Lord what is for the Lord.” Hard to digest, but with some thinking, it is the right way.
        This Pope is a Jesuit, so ti was Joseph Stalin. The Jesuit were banned from Mexico because they interfere on the internal Politics. Read the History of the Jesuits, you be surprised.

  7. joeg2028 August 27, 2015

    “Seriously, think about what we try to teach our children, and then think about four years of trying to explain away a President Trump.”

    Sorry, but the people who are supporting this poor excuse for a human being absolutely believe that his bullying, name calling, hate mongering, and misogyny are exactly the things that their children should be taught and should be learning, so that–as that group’s formerly white-majority country fades unceasingly to a darker shade–their poor offspring can continue to fight the inevitable, down to their NRA-endorsed bullet.

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  8. pisces63 August 28, 2015

    When you look at the Catholic church in America you see the bigotry, intolerance under
    their roof. Priests used to stand at their doors to keep blacks out. A cardinal in Chicago called the newly formed black parish with a black priest the ‘n’ word and warned the white people not to attend. Those who allowed them in their churches had segregated seating, including relegating blacks to the basement. They had segregated confessionals and communion. Different priests and bread and wine for black and white. I would have paid good money when this last pope was chosen, to know exactly what would have happened, here, if the black cardinal had been chosen as the next pope. They couldn’t handle a black president and still cannot. Still lying on him. Yes, I am a protestant Baptist and we have had many white members and visiting ministers and they were welcomed. I became a member at five and I am now 66 and we still do this.

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  9. Joe T September 8, 2015

    A Revolt Brewing Inside Vatican As Cardinal Conservatives Seek To Stop Pope Francis Power Grabby Geoffrey Grider

    Conservative dissent is brewing inside the Vatican

    “And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.” Revelation 17:1,4,5 (KJV)

    EDITOR’S NOTE: The Catholic Church has long bragged that since it’s creation in 325 AD it has “never changed”. Maybe that’s true, right up until the moment that Francis became Pope. Since then, the winds of change have blown so hard that many Conservative Cardinals can barely recognize it anymore. What they fail to realize is why Pope Francis is making so many changes so quickly. He is fulfilling end times bible prophecy. Revelation 17 and 18 firmly declare that the Vatican is the “Mother of Harlots”, ruled over by a False Prophet who prepares the way for Antichrist.

    VATICAN CITY — On a sunny morning earlier this year, a camera crew entered a well-appointed apartment just outside the 9th-century gates of Vatican City. Pristinely dressed in the black robes and scarlet sash of the princes of the Roman Catholic Church, Wisconsin-born Cardinal Raymond Burke sat in his elaborately upholstered armchair and appeared to issue a warning to Pope Francis.

    A staunch conservative and Vatican bureaucrat, Burke had been demoted by the pope a few months earlier, but it did not take the fight out of him. Francis had been backing a more inclusive era, giving space to progressive voices on divorced Catholics as well as gays and lesbians. In front of the camera, Burke said he would “resist” liberal changes — and seemed to caution Francis about the limits of his authority. “One must be very attentive regarding the power of the pope,” Burke told the French news crew.

    (Pope using Obama tactics of spreading liberalism…..end times)

    Reply

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